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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is Matt Williamson,

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Speaker 1: and this is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. And Matt,

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Speaker 1: as we get ready to go to the Combine, I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to talk with you about players who really

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Speaker 1: need to blow to have a blow up type combine

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Speaker 1: to help their cause this year, and guys who on

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Speaker 1: the other side of this we think might take a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a hit at the combine. Probably not

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Speaker 1: as man. We don't know as much about those those

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Speaker 1: guys here, but I'm looking at some combine stuff here,

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Speaker 1: and you know, so, Alabama has the most guys in

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Speaker 1: this at this year's combine with thirteen. Georgia has twelve,

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Speaker 1: Florida nine, LSU nine, Michigan nine, TCU nine. Then you

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Speaker 1: at the Clemson in Ohio state with eight, Maryland, Oklahoma,

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Speaker 1: Penn State and Tennessee all have seven. Do we notice

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Speaker 1: a trend there? Alabama, Georgia, l Shoe, Tennessee heavy heavy

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Speaker 1: once again a heavy SEC. Oh yeah, yeah, without question.

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Speaker 1: Eighty three sec players wow at this year's combine. Sixty

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Speaker 1: three from the Big ten, forty from the ACC, thirty

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Speaker 1: nine from the Big twelve, thirty one from the PAC

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Speaker 1: twelve sixteen from the American Conference, twelve from the Sun Belt,

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Speaker 1: nine independents, seven from the Mountain West, four from Conference USA,

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Speaker 1: four from the MAC. So twenty more than any other conference,

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Speaker 1: twenty more than any other conference, and a big ten

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Speaker 1: kind of is impressive too. I mean, they're twenty three

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Speaker 1: more than the ACC. Right, then everybody else can those

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Speaker 1: up next three conferences are all grouped there? Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: you know they're three hundred and nineteen players going to

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Speaker 1: the Combine and eighty three of them are from one conference.

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Speaker 1: A quarter of the players there played in the SEC. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a big advantage to draft those guys.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just because their level of competition weekend there's

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Speaker 1: better take the watch. It's easier to gather data from

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Speaker 1: those guys. True, m twenty five combined players from Alabama

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Speaker 1: and Georgia stands out to me. Twenty five of the

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Speaker 1: so they're from those two schools. They've got more than

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Speaker 1: all but five conferences. Wow, I don't know it's fun

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Speaker 1: about college. I don't watch college every Saturday. I mean

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Speaker 1: I pay as much attention as I can. But don't

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Speaker 1: you feel like if I would give you Georgia and

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Speaker 1: Bama to win the national title the next five years,

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Speaker 1: and I get every other school on the plan. I'd

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Speaker 1: rather have Bama and Georgia. You're probably gonna win at

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Speaker 1: least a couple of those, yeah, I mean, I bet

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Speaker 1: I win three of the five. You're and you're probably

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Speaker 1: going to be in the running, Like when the national

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Speaker 1: championship game is played, there's a good chance you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have a chance to win those. Yeah, they might play

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Speaker 1: against each other twice. They well, they probably can't do

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Speaker 1: that because they play in the same conference. Well they

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Speaker 1: both could, they could. It could happen, yeah, right right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: could have feel like they're so far advanced with everyone

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Speaker 1: else with Oh this is a do everyone's talking about,

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Speaker 1: Oh this is a down year for Alabama. They might

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Speaker 1: have they're gonna picks in the thirteen dudes going to

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Speaker 1: the Combine. All right to me, so looking at that

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Speaker 1: brings me to the quarterback. M So everybody's saying he's

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Speaker 1: a slam dunk, he's the number one pick. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's got to be the guy. Yeah, Yeah, they got

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Speaker 1: thirteen guys going to comb And I realized he got

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Speaker 1: you got thirteen guys going to the combine. I expect

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Speaker 1: that you probably should have made the National Championship game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah with it with the number one overall pick a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I have real reservations about Young and Stroud for those reasons,

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Speaker 1: I mean, isolating them. I'm not super impressed with the

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Speaker 1: quarterback class overall. But like I always go back to this,

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Speaker 1: my fifteen or sixteen year old, for whatever reason, is

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Speaker 1: a huge Ohio State fan. I don't know how that happened.

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Speaker 1: Whatever he has been since he's five or new football

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Speaker 1: is Ohio State ever had a good NFL quarterback? Yeah? No,

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Speaker 1: still there's a lot of McCarron's and is two of

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Speaker 1: SEC point, at least the Bama quarterbacks have elite edge

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Speaker 1: rushers and corners playing against them. You know where. I

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Speaker 1: know Michigan's good in Wisconsin and Penn State and I'm

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Speaker 1: not making fun of this area of the country, but oh,

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Speaker 1: I mean look at Stroud, Stroud through to a Lave

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Speaker 1: but he could make the same argument though. For Bryce Young,

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Speaker 1: that's what I mean, he's been through. He's been throwing

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Speaker 1: those guys than Will Levis or Tanner McKee. Oh yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Like you know about Aidan O'Connell from from Purdue. You know,

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Speaker 1: nothing else around them. Like I remember evaluating Jay Cutler

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Speaker 1: like super talented. But he's a tough eval man. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Young has some of that for sure. Yeah, so I

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Speaker 1: think that's gonna be interesting to watch to see which

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Speaker 1: one of those guys in these in this situation does

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Speaker 1: Levis elevate ahead of those guys. He's gonna look better, right,

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Speaker 1: He's gonna look the part he's gonna you know, and

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Speaker 1: he's not gonna be getting killed like he wasn't Kentucky.

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Speaker 1: He's can be throwing the NFL do you know other

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Speaker 1: good dudes like he wasn't Kentucky. Somebody, somebody put out

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Speaker 1: a video like they said, you know, Will Levis had

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Speaker 1: these were seven of them and their balls flipped, you know,

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Speaker 1: tipping off of somebody's hands or they were batted down

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Speaker 1: his offensive lineman didn't get there, didn't get the guy's

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Speaker 1: hands down. They weren't his fault. And you know, one

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Speaker 1: was a hail Mary at the end of a game.

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Speaker 1: It's not his fault. So the Will levis Is cutlers

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Speaker 1: draftable player. I'm gonna go into first round. Next year,

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Speaker 1: we're losing by thirty in the fourth quarter to Bama.

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Speaker 1: Why don't I just take myself out of the game

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Speaker 1: or throw the ball away or you know, But they're competitors.

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Speaker 1: Then they fight and fight and fight. Of course you're

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Speaker 1: gonna throw interception. It's the Kenny Picky argument when he

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Speaker 1: first started for throwing some interceptions. He's like, I'm trying

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Speaker 1: just kneel on it, you know. So Yeah, but Stroud

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Speaker 1: never been putting that situation. They haven't had to do that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're winning by forty, you know, much easier to play.

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Speaker 1: How about of the you know, so we look at

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Speaker 1: that of the of the wide receiver group, who can

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Speaker 1: I think it's guy's like a Jaden Reid. It's a

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Speaker 1: plays special teams all right. Um, this isn't exactly what

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Speaker 1: you ask, but I do think mistakes are made this

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Speaker 1: You know, these guys go out and just blaze it,

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Speaker 1: Palmer at the Not Josh Palmer. What's the Oklahoma receiver? Yeah? Okay, um, anyway,

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Speaker 1: run past ninety five percent of the cornerbacks in the league, right, right, right,

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Speaker 1: guy that runs a four to seven that you got

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Speaker 1: Antonio Brown was a four five guy. Yeah. Did you

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Speaker 1: true track guys like the Prince Dude. Yeah, they're I

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Speaker 1: you know. So it's a good group of tight ends

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Speaker 1: the gauntlet drill is going to be big for him. Ever,

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Speaker 1: they better run reasonably well yeah, yeah, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: they better be they better be better than four nine

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Speaker 1: um um. There's a lot of buzz about Diane Henley.

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Speaker 1: You know, can is he athletic as people think he

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Speaker 1: is an off the ball guy. Yeah, Ivan Pace from

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Speaker 1: from Cincinnati should do well. I'm really interested in linebackers

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Speaker 1: shuttles too, Yeah, yeah, for sure, the cornerbacks. This is

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Speaker 1: going to be a kind of a freak show with

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Speaker 1: those guys too, because there's so many, with so many

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Speaker 1: big guys. Yeah, yeah, there's an inordinate amount of length

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Speaker 1: and six footers at the corner position six foot and better,

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Speaker 1: I mean better a couple of them or six two

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Speaker 1: six three, you know, right. So to me, the guy

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Speaker 1: I think who has the most to gain or lose

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Speaker 1: is Hodges Tomlinson. Yeah. You just don't want to look

436
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Speaker 1: a little next to your peers. And if you are little,

437
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Speaker 1: you better be really quick and fast. Yes, and he

438
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Speaker 1: has some of that, and he plays hard and you

439
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Speaker 1: know all those things. But he may be a value.

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Speaker 1: You may get him in the fifth round. Third, but

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Speaker 1: I think they listed him at five nine. He'd better

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Speaker 1: be five nine. Yeah, he'd better be big enough to

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Speaker 1: ride to ride. And since this is our last show

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Speaker 1: before the combine Zum Steeler fans If any of you

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00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: are in love with Christian Gonzalez, I'm here to break

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Speaker 1: your heart. That there he is going to light it up.

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Speaker 1: I had heard some things yesterday. Either his mom or

448
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: his dad is a track star, and I think his

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Speaker 1: brother is. And he's one of these guys that have

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Speaker 1: been running track his whole life. Like he'll be so

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Speaker 1: smooth coming out of the blocks. I mean, and he's

452
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Speaker 1: to be two hundred and five pounds, you know, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's so too Yeah, don't buy any Gonzalez jersey. He's

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Speaker 1: quite yet, folks. Another guy with a lot to lose

455
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Speaker 1: at that position is Garrett Williams from Syracuse. Where is

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Speaker 1: he in the in his recovery process? Because he was

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Speaker 1: there was some first round ish buzz around him, yeah,

458
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: during the season, and then he tore that acl and

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Speaker 1: no I think it was November. Um, you know, where's

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00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 1: he in his recovery? It's almost a George Pickens like thing.

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00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: I don't expect he's not going to go there and

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Speaker 1: run or anything like that. But how does that knee

463
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: test out? Yeah, and there's gonna be so many looking

464
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: good and you just don't have a chance to even showcase.

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00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: It's right, you know, it's really easy to get passed by. Yeah,

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00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: Riley moss Man name I just thought to mention. Yeah,

467
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 1: I mean he's gonna light it up. He's gonna run

468
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: four three something and he's big, and you know for

469
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: a guy, so for a guy like a Kaylee Ringo

470
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 1: who all season long was well, this is this is

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00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: the guy. He's he made up getting pushed down the

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Speaker 1: round two of Some of these guys run as well

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Speaker 1: as you're expected. Yeah. I was actually thinking the other

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00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: angle with him though, is he might runs well, he

475
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: might be two fifteen where everybody else's six foot two hundred. Yeah,

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00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: it's taller and running the same. But he also might

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00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: be a safety safety. Yeah. The guy I want to

478
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: mention too was Darius Rush, the other corner at South Carolina. Yeah,

479
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: build a lot of momentum at the Senior Bowl. Can

480
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: he athletically keep up with these guys? Right? Right? And

481
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: then the safety position kind of the same thing as

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Speaker 1: the cornerbacks. You want to see him run well, They're

483
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,719
Speaker 1: not going to be as fast, but there'll be some

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00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,239
Speaker 1: guys there that that do run well. I expect the

485
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: Penn State guys over the last few years have really

486
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 1: performed well athletically, so I expect, like JayR. Brown to

487
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: go out and tear it up. Yeah. Um, kind of

488
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: like the Ringo conversation. Antonio Johnson hasn't popped up in

489
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: many first round mocks lately. Yeah, but he's gonna really

490
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: look pretty there. Yeah, he's kind of a freak show.

491
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Speaker 1: He's so jail Skinner six four m Boise State. Well,

492
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Speaker 1: Brown's six five, Tom, I'm sorry, or six three sorry

493
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: Johnson sixty three. He's rocked up, thicker. Yeah, that's the

494
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 1: thing that's stuck struck me about Skinner. I'm like, Skinner

495
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: looks like he should be a shooting guard, yes, right,

496
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: right right, Like he's didn't get pushed around, and whereas

497
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: Johnson's Johnson's a box He's a you know, a box

498
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Speaker 1: safety with some you know, if he has some speed

499
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: to him and concover okay, holds his weight really well. Yeah.

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00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: So to Sydney Brown, you know the two he was

501
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 1: a senior Bowl the Twins, Sydney Browns and booking safety

502
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: too from Illinois. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I like him too.

503
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,719
Speaker 1: So some some interesting names there. We just went through

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00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: a bunch of them just so people know the record

505
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: in forty time at the Combine. It's hold by John

506
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: Ross at four two two, and he was of course

507
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: overdrafted because of that. Yeah, that was set in twenty seventeen.

508
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: In fact, if you go down the list of guys

509
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Speaker 1: who have run the best forties at the Combine, most

510
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,479
Speaker 1: of them didn't hit. No John Ross, Calem Barnes, now,

511
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: Chris Johnson did. Johnson's a good player. Yeah, Greek Woolen

512
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: last year. Well, it's early, but okay, the first year

513
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: was pretty good. Dree Archer, Jerome Mathis, Henry Ruggs, Marquis Goodwin,

514
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: Stanford Route, Tyrone cow Ko Taekwon Thornton twenty twenty two,

515
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Speaker 1: Jalen Myrick in twenty seventeen, JJ Nelson in twenty fifteen,

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00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: Jacobe four in twenty ten, Fabim Washington in two thousand

517
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: and five, Javelin Gidrey in twenty twenties, Edric Woods. Those

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00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: guys all broke four three. Wow. A lot of no

519
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: names in there, a lot of guys that didn't amount

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00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: to much in the NFL. No. Yeah, I mean, if

521
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: one of these corners you never heard of runs a

522
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: four two, don't be don't be texting us or you

523
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: know you need to draft that guy all right, right right, yeah,

524
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: you just not the way that it reasonally works out

525
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: just because you're fat. They most definitely are. Yeah, So

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00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: don't just look at it that way and say, well

527
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: you get a draft the best track guy out there.

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00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: That's not what this is about. Yeah, but that's gonna

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Speaker 1: do it for our show today, Matt. Yeah, we will

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Speaker 1: be back next week. Yeah, Yeah, we'll be back next

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