1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM paranormal 2 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: podcast network. This is the place to be if you're 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: ready for the best podcasts of the paranormal, curious, and 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: sometimes unexplained. 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 2: Now listen to this. 6 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 3: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 7 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 3: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 8 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 3: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 3: to Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 10 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 3: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 11 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 3: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 12 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 4: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and Each week are Beyond Contact. 13 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 4: We'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of 14 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 4: the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from 15 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 4: the newest cases. 16 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 2: As we talk with the top experts. Hi, and welcome 17 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: to Beyond Contact. Today we're going to be speaking with 18 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: Leslie and Stephen Shaw. They have been studying the UFO 19 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 2: phenomenon for decades. They are both UFO witnesses and Steven's 20 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 2: very psychic family were the victims of an alien abduction 21 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 2: phenomenon for at least four generations together, they combine artistic vision, 22 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: scientific curiosity, and lived experience to shed light on what 23 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 2: may be happening with the UFO phenomenon. This will be 24 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,479 Speaker 2: a very different kind of show for Beyond Contact as 25 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 2: we take a deep dive into speculation on one theory, 26 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: namely the idea that aliens actually may be human beings 27 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: living alongside of us below ground and across under the oceans. 28 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: Hi guys, welcome to the show. 29 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 5: Hi, good evening, Thank you so much for having. 30 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: Us, Absolutely glad to have you here. You know, we 31 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: are often discussing on this show how there seems to 32 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: be clearly some sort of interaction happening between us and 33 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: another intelligence. People sometimes use the term alien or visitor, 34 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 2: but we really never know for sure where they come 35 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: from or who they are. Definitively. The big guesses, of 36 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 2: course are extraterrestrials meaning they come from another planet, interdimensional 37 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 2: beings meaning they come from another dimension outside of our universe. 38 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,839 Speaker 2: There's the extra tempestrial idea, which is there us from 39 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 2: the future coming back. They might be consciousness based or 40 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 2: multiverse beings from a parallel world. They could even be 41 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: some type of post biological civilization that are now an 42 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 2: artificial life form like AI. So there's a lot of 43 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: possibilities here. And then there's this idea that's sometimes called 44 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: intraterrestrial or crypto terrestrial, where there's a race of beings 45 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: that share the Earth with us, but live underground and 46 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 2: in the ocean and have evolved parallel to us. I 47 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: think that's kind of where you guys sit on this right. 48 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 6: Yes, definitely, as far as we were very much science oriented, 49 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 6: in fact oriented as far as what when you look 50 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 6: at things, we look at what is the most likely 51 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 6: and what makes the most sense. Okay, So a lot 52 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 6: of the theories that are out there are just they 53 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 6: just don't hold water, especially when I look at it 54 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 6: from my family's involvement for over four generations. So obviously 55 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 6: there's a long term, a long time involvement, which is 56 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 6: just not travelers from the future. 57 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 5: Yes, and as we started looking at the phenomenon decades ago, 58 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 5: we just couldn't make the data fit the theories. At 59 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 5: the time, the theories were that there was a federation 60 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 5: of these beings coming from all different star systems. But 61 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 5: when we applied the crypto terrestrial idea to our data, 62 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 5: suddenly everything just sneiacked into place and may started making sense. 63 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 2: It's very interesting to me how much it does sort 64 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: of sync up with a lot of aspects of the 65 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 2: phenomenon that fit in with this idea. What is all 66 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: this based on? Is this start with the Sumerian text? 67 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 6: Well, part of it is part of our research, of 68 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 6: course we went into that, but a lot of it 69 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 6: too is actually coming out now. Even Luis Alessando's work 70 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 6: in Imminent, there's some a couple of very good chapters 71 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 6: that show that human beings that have psychic ability mean 72 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 6: real psychic ability and are being trained to do remote viewing, 73 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 6: have two areas of the brain that are hyper developed, 74 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 6: which is the cott at putinin and the pera hippocampal gyrus. 75 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 6: And this goes across the boards. And we've also found 76 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 6: too that we call our cousins, not aliens. Our cousins 77 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 6: primarily communicate with us either in the astra realm or 78 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,239 Speaker 6: through telepathy. And it seems to bear out the facts, 79 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 6: seem to bear out what the government has found. 80 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 5: And we discovered with abduction phenomenon was also coming the 81 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 5: hybrid alien breeding program. So many of these women that 82 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 5: are being utilized as incubators for four months, and then 83 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 5: they're later stealing the fetuses. We think that this is 84 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 5: also for their evidence that they're humans. They are actually 85 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 5: breeding with us by having sex. Women are claiming they're 86 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 5: being raped by aliens. So you know, if you're having 87 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 5: sex with us and making babies, we think it's evidence 88 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 5: that they're human. They couldn't be anything else. 89 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 2: That is a very fair point. And there are many 90 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: cases of people who claim this that they've had stuck 91 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 2: with an alien, as they call it, and it would 92 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: make sense then that that does line up. So you 93 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 2: think it's sort of an offshoot, Why don't you explain 94 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 2: to us what you mean. You mean like it's an 95 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 2: offshoot of humanity that we all lived on the surface 96 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 2: of the Earth and then at one point part of 97 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 2: us branched off in one underground, if you will. Is 98 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 2: that what you base this on. 99 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 5: I think it's kind of like the Deep Impact movie 100 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 5: thirteen thousand years ago. Oh the people of the planet. 101 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 5: We think they were more advanced than mainstream archaeology gives 102 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 5: this credit for at the time, and that the younger 103 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 5: dry ass comet impact of twelve eight hundred and fifty 104 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 5: years ago just scraped evidence of advanced society off the 105 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 5: surface of the planet. It was a nearly extinction level event, 106 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,559 Speaker 5: and we think this is the reason that the human 107 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 5: race separated, that some of us went underground to survive 108 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 5: this impact. Just like in that Deep Impact movie, they say, 109 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 5: you know, Plan A was for the astronauts to go 110 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 5: up into space and blow up the asteroid. But plan 111 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 5: B was to think these deep underground cities so that 112 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 5: people could survive the impact. And we think that that's 113 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 5: what happened, and they took their technology and their culture 114 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 5: with them, whereas we few survivors on the surface were 115 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 5: thrown back into the Stone Age, and that's why they're 116 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 5: about twelve thousand years more advanced than we are. 117 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 6: And the facts bear out as far as what has 118 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 6: been found of so many things. For instance, we know 119 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 6: that the commet was one hundred kilometers in diameter and 120 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 6: it was it basically broke apart as it is coming 121 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 6: through the Northern Hemisphere, setting all the forests of the 122 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 6: Northern Hemisphere on fire. At the same time, we know 123 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 6: the Uslo Horizon has been documented and firmed up at 124 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 6: the exact same time. Also, what happened in the Bibles 125 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 6: you know, forewarning and fore knowledge, you know, go to 126 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 6: a high ground building, our dig underground like in Darren 127 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 6: c you for knowledge. So in other words, we had 128 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 6: to have had advanced astronomy for one thing. So there's 129 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 6: so many facts that bear out the fact that also 130 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 6: to these impacts happen a lot more frequently than we 131 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 6: even realized when we first started researching, that they happened 132 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 6: fairly on a regular basis. 133 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: There's also these incredible structures that were built in ancient 134 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 2: history that to a higher intelligence or technology that they 135 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 2: were able to do. That are you referring to this 136 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 2: Hiawatha crater? Is that? Is that what you're basing the sun? 137 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 5: Actually, one of the reasons we made a second edition 138 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 5: was that when we wrote the book, the Hiawatha Crater 139 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 5: seemed to be the most likely candidate for the extinction 140 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 5: level event, but later it was determined that that was 141 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 5: a un much older impact and that the younger Dryass 142 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 5: comet impact has since been dated correctly to twelve and 143 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 5: fifty years ago. So when we found out we were wrong, 144 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 5: we scraped the egg off our faces and you know, 145 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 5: came out in social media with the new correction and 146 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 5: the new information, and now we've made the correction in 147 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 5: the book. 148 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 6: And the reason we know it was a comment is 149 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 6: because of the shocked courts. If you have a direct 150 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 6: impact a for instance, from a meteor, it will cause 151 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 6: a different type of pattern as far as the shocked courts. 152 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 6: So this was an air burst strike. And so again 153 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 6: that's also been dated correctly to twelve, eight hundred and 154 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 6: fifty years ago, so we know that the event occurred. 155 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 6: Also other things like at the time too that you 156 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 6: can tell that below the equator in countries like Peru 157 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 6: and Chile, the Earth was put into a drought period, 158 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 6: a severe drought period for a long period of time, 159 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 6: and the northern hemisphere basically rain for literally like for years. Okay, 160 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 6: so this is all documentable stuff, so we know this happened. 161 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 6: And also a genetic bottleneck that occurred where ten thousand 162 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 6: surfaced individuals were only on the Earth about thirteen thousand 163 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 6: years ago, also more recent information. Do you document what 164 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 6: we're saying? 165 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 5: Yes, the genetic engineers discovered that we're not as nearly 166 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 5: as diverse as we should be, and they attribute that 167 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 5: to a genetic bottleneck they call it where we were 168 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 5: reduced to almost ten thousand individuals at one point in 169 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 5: our existence, and we think it was the younger dry 170 00:09:58,400 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 5: As comment that did it. 171 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 2: You know, that's great. You know both of those things 172 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 2: I looked into. And I'm glad you corrected that in 173 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 2: the book because that was one of the things I 174 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 2: wanted to ask you about because it seems like that 175 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 2: other thing is much much older. I'm really glad to 176 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 2: hear that, and that makes sense. And yes, we did 177 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 2: go down to about ten thousand, you know, people living 178 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 2: on the surface. I want to ask you about other 179 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 2: evidence about this. We're out of time, we're up against 180 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 2: the break here. Let's catch that on the other side 181 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 2: and we come back and ask you guys about what 182 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 2: other signs were there that we had high technology. 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It's Captain Ron's speaking 194 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 2: with Steven and Leslie Shaw about the idea of crypto terrestrials. 195 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 2: You know, let's pick that back up here about the 196 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 2: idea that there was higher technology when we went all 197 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 2: the way down to ten thousand people. As you said, 198 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 2: that pretty much threw us back into the Stone Age 199 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: and we had to start over from day one. But 200 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 2: if someone else was able to overcome that obstacle by 201 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 2: staying underground or existing in another place on Earth, perhaps 202 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 2: they could take their technology with them. What do you 203 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 2: point to, Like, wouldn't we have archaeological evidence of some 204 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: kind metal or something else that could survive or is 205 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 2: it just the stone monoliths. 206 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 5: We actually have a lot of little artifacts that make 207 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 5: no sense in the normal timeline. They point to an 208 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 5: advanced civilization in prehistory prior to the flood. Our history 209 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 5: only goes back to the flood. But there's all kinds 210 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 5: of little artifacts. There's a there's a piece of mica 211 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 5: that has hieroglyphs, Egyptian hieroglyphs carved into it. And mica 212 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 5: is one of the hardest stones there is. It would 213 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 5: be impossible without some sort of a water jet laser 214 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 5: cutter of some kind. All kinds of little things like 215 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 5: that that point to a civilization prior to this one. 216 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 5: And you know, Homosapien Sapien has been on this planet 217 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 5: for at least one hundred and twenty thousand years, but 218 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 5: mainstream archaeology would have us believe that we set around 219 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 5: for one hundred and seven thoms years doing nothing, making 220 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 5: no advancements at all, until thirteen thousand years ago we 221 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 5: decided to just get some gumption up and build a 222 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 5: society and go to the moon. You know, we think 223 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 5: that what we did was we evolved into an advanced race, 224 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 5: and the comet laid us low, and we've had to 225 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 5: you know, recover ever since. 226 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 2: You know, it's possible. Certainly, I think it's very fascinating. 227 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 7: You know. 228 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 2: One of the things that I like about the straight 229 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 2: up extraterrestrial hypothesis is that it does not require anything theoretical, magical, 230 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 2: or supernatural. Even religions require a belief in those things. 231 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 2: The idea of extratrustrials you just need time and technology 232 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 2: to travel here from another planet. That applies here as well. Right. 233 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 5: One thing I liked about our theories was that it 234 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 5: doesn't require theoretical physics to be true because they just 235 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 5: are here and have always been here with us. That's 236 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 5: why the phenomenon is pervasive and yet going back thousands 237 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 5: of years too. You don't need wormholes, you don't need 238 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 5: faster than light travel, you don't need interdimensional travel, you 239 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 5: don't need time travel. None of these things have to 240 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 5: be true for our theories to be correct. 241 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 6: What I look at a lot is what makes more sense. 242 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 6: You know, Occam's razor and the kiss method. For instance, 243 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 6: why did we see such a tremendous uptake in UFOs 244 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 6: being observed around about World War two? Okay, they live here, 245 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 6: they are concerned. They always have the same message, Now 246 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 6: take better care of the planet and stop playing with 247 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 6: your nukes. Okay, it's the same message that repeats over 248 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 6: and over. Why would travelers that are coming from the 249 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 6: Pleiads or arc tourists or interdimensionals be so worried about 250 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 6: us and be wanting to breed with us and basicate 251 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 6: sang we need our cows and try and communicate with 252 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 6: us in so many different levels, including crops, or if 253 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 6: they didn't also live here, and also too, they have 254 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 6: to be so so similar to us to be able 255 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 6: to breed a viable offspring that are not stereral. So 256 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 6: guess what, folks, they have to be very similar. 257 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 5: And I think their ability to have telepathy with us 258 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 5: is further proof of it. We think that you'll probably 259 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 5: have to have very similar brains to be able to 260 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 5: think back and forth to one another. 261 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 2: I'll be damned, I'm pretty skeptical about a lot of 262 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 2: these things. But that also fits in nicely to the 263 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 2: folklore of this, that the telepathy. They must have some 264 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 2: sort of similarity physiologically to breed with us if they 265 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 2: are in fact doing that to communicate with us the 266 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 2: way they are, you know, and you're right, why would 267 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 2: they have such an interest in nukes? Maybe it affects 268 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 2: other planets, or they live here and they don't want 269 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 2: us ruining here. 270 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 9: Tell us all, yeah, do you think it's possible that 271 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 9: they seated us or that they are in fact extraterrestrial 272 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 9: to begin with and they came here and stayed here 273 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 9: and evolved with us. 274 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 6: This is a little bit of the rub but we 275 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 6: also discussed it in the book about the Ononaki and 276 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 6: interestingly enough that the old Onanaki cities that Sitchen talked 277 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 6: about below, in below the equator line around about South 278 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 6: Africa and Mozambique, they're finding them now. These were huge 279 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 6: megatropolises that were in the area of the Three Waters meeting, 280 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 6: and we have found those. Now those actually do exist 281 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 6: and they're dating back to over two hundred thousand years ago. 282 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 6: So we are finding out that, yes, we did not 283 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 6: uplift ourselves three hundred thousand years ago. We had help. 284 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, people asked, leslie, are aliens involved at all? 285 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 5: And I say, they're not the ones flying the ships 286 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 5: in our skies right now. Those are humans. But all 287 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 5: humans are part aliens. If we take this Sumerian tablets 288 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 5: as gospel, if we take the Sumerian on Anachi gods 289 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 5: as real, and if they aren't real, they had all a 290 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 5: very long, successful backstory to their existence. You know, at 291 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 5: first I thought this was a lovely myth, but then 292 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 5: we kept finding evidence. It looks like we really were 293 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 5: uplifted three hundred thousand years ago. There's an edit job 294 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 5: on our genome. 295 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, pipe in here. Jason Martella. Just a couple of 296 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 6: years ago, he did a lecture on that that it 297 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 6: looks like there was a cut and paste job done 298 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 6: around the broken his brain area which gave us the 299 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 6: ability to speak. And I want to make a correction 300 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 6: here too, actually just for the audience, that telepathy is 301 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 6: actually the most basic and the simplest way of communicating. 302 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 6: We have let it after feed as human beings. It's 303 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 6: kind of like the appendix of the brain in the 304 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 6: sense that we all have a telepathy. And that's why 305 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 6: our cousins, as we call him, they don't have to 306 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 6: speak ten thousand different languages because every memory, every thought 307 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 6: is laid down as a chemical process, so you don't 308 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 6: have to remember the word or tree in Swahili versus 309 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 6: the word tree in English. That's why they can communicate 310 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 6: with this. They did not lose the ability to use telepathy. 311 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 5: And we think telepathy is actually a human birth right. Yes, 312 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 5: as Stephen and I were doing Kundalini raising techniques, we 313 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 5: became you know, astral travelers, and we became more and 314 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 5: more telepathic as we did it. We realized that it's 315 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 5: something that can be trained into the human mind. And 316 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 5: we think our cousins continue to train for it regularly 317 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 5: and we don't. We've let it atrophy. 318 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 2: It's so interesting and I like that you guys use 319 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 2: the word cousins because they are a branch of the human, 320 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 2: of our human ancestry. I guess that just branched off 321 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 2: and lived underground. And that's an interesting theory. It really is. 322 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 2: What about this idea in the alien community that there 323 00:18:55,280 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 2: are so many different races that people are encountering, like raise, reptilians, Nordics, mantis. 324 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 2: What about all these other types? How does that fit 325 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 2: in with this theory? 326 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 6: I will harken back to how frequently these impacts, these 327 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 6: near extension level events do occur. And you can take 328 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 6: a look at every single one of these types they're 329 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 6: talking about. They're hominid in look, they're all bipedal hominids. Okay, 330 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 6: so you can take take a gray tall gray especially, 331 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 6: and they're not much different really in appearance than a tall, 332 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 6: skinny human being. The reptilians. In fact, even Karen Wilkinson, 333 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 6: who wrote our forward, talks about that too, how the 334 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 6: reptilians are actually indigenous to the planet. They're not that 335 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 6: much different than us. They are able to communicate with us, 336 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 6: they're able even in some cases to even breed with us. 337 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 6: It's a little bit frightening when you really look into 338 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 6: what's really going on. We are not in the camp 339 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 6: that they're all here to help us and uplift us. 340 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 6: They are basically opportunists that they want to live themselves, 341 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 6: and we are just happen to be eight billion noisy 342 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 6: neighbors on top right now that are just scaring them. 343 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 6: Really quite frankly, it's. 344 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 2: An interesting idea. Let's we got to take another break here, guys. 345 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 2: When we come back, we're going to ask you more 346 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 2: about this and get some more of the strongest evidence 347 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 2: you have to support this theory. 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But we won't go into in detail. 365 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 6: But when you start looking at what's been going on, 366 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 6: and the same entity keeps showing up over one hundred 367 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 6: and fifty year period and my missing time and basically 368 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 6: you know, sperm being stolen from me, coins being magnetized 369 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 6: in my pocket, that's not supposed to be possible. We 370 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,959 Speaker 6: really see it as that this is the most likely scenario. 371 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 6: That is, that makes the most sense, that there really 372 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 6: us that went down most recent time twelve thousand eight 373 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 6: or fifty years ago to survive the catastrophe. 374 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 5: There's a huge celestial impact fifty thousand years ago in India. 375 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 5: The lore in our crator maybe they went underground back 376 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 5: then too. There's all kinds of stories in our ancient 377 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 5: lore about civilizations retreating underground. 378 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 2: You know, even if they did not go underground till 379 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 2: thirteen thousand years ago, they could be more than thirteen 380 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 2: thousand years ago ahead of us, because they would have 381 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 2: had any technology they had at that point when we 382 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 2: lost everything, So they were already at a certain degree 383 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 2: of sophistication. They would only keep going. For what's the 384 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 2: strongest piece of evidence that you have that you could 385 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 2: point to when you tell somebody about this, that such 386 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 2: a civilization could exist. What's the strongest piece of evidence? 387 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 6: I think a lot of it points to just the timing. 388 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 6: We didn't split the atom until the early part of 389 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 6: the nineteenth century. Rutherfer actually a New Zealand guy, did that. 390 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 6: He gets credit for that, and so then we had 391 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 6: to develop heavy water, and of course go back to 392 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,479 Speaker 6: Italy in nineteen thirty three when there was a UFO 393 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 6: recovered and Mussolini was buddies with Hitler, and then of 394 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 6: course the White supremacy stuff. So when you're looking at 395 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 6: what happened, and the actions always speak louder than the words. 396 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 6: We developed the ability to split the atom and develop 397 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 6: nuclear technology, and then all of a sudden the food 398 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 6: fighters are showing up. We have all this increase in activity, okay, 399 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 6: and you know, legitimate increase. So we look at the 400 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 6: actions and what is happening. You're a concern that we're 401 00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 6: going to blow them up too. 402 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 5: I think Admiral Bird also was very compelling for me. 403 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 5: The UFO documentary done in Russia about Admiral Bird and 404 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 5: the Operation High Jump being attacked by flying saucers. That 405 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 5: keys in for me with Admiral Bird flying into this 406 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 5: underground world to meet with the Ariani in his diary, 407 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 5: and the government has really suppressed a lot about Admiral Bird. 408 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 5: If you just try and get onto the Library of Congress, 409 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 5: you can hardly find anything about him at all. They're 410 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 5: still after all these years, have essentially wiped him from existence, 411 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 5: almost from history nearly. And I think it's because of 412 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 5: what happened to him and Antarctica. And we wouldn't base 413 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 5: it completely on just Admiral Bird's testimony, but there's a 414 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 5: lot of whistleblower weird whistleblower stuff coming out of Antarctica. 415 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 5: The giant hole that Admiral Bird describes is there. The 416 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 5: base that's been was discovered down there by this one 417 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 5: whistle entered this alien base at the South Pole. Other 418 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 5: whistleblowers who flew over the hole saw it reported it. 419 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 6: Also. Do you needed data too? 420 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 5: Oh, yes, you needed data. Right, there's cosmic rays are 421 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 5: coming up out of the ice sheet, right and uh 422 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 5: and that's impossible. 423 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. Brad Olson talks about a lot of that too, 424 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 2: but he also claims that these bases are runaway Nazi 425 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 2: bases in Antarctica, that they're not alien bases. 426 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 6: And you have to ask, okay, where did the Nazis 427 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,719 Speaker 6: get their technology from? Yeah, maybe they are still in 428 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 6: existence down there working with the quote unquote the Ariani, 429 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,360 Speaker 6: But where did they get their technology? 430 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, one of these things are very very suspect, though, 431 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 2: I mean, even the even the Admiral Byrd's diary is 432 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 2: very very controversial. A lot of these things aren't, aren't 433 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 2: for sure? You know, do we have who's the strong 434 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 2: whistleblower that has come out publicly and said that they've 435 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 2: interacted with somebody, you know, an alien being or I 436 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 2: guess so humanoid from underground? I don't, I don't. I 437 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 2: don't know of anybody. But off the top of my head, 438 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 2: do you guys have a name of somebody that's done that. 439 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 5: Well, we believe valiant thor. 440 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 2: Man. That is not a super credible story. Necessarily. 441 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 5: Snyder, talking about the underground bases, and well, yeah, well 442 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 5: he's also very controversial. 443 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 2: All these guys are pretty controversial, right, and. 444 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 6: He also he also supposedly strangled himself with a rubber hose, 445 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 6: So you. 446 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 5: Know, we would we would love to have concrete evidence, 447 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 5: but we are fighting against a government that is suppressing it, 448 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 5: and they have so much more power than we do. 449 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 5: After reading thousands of UFO accounts, I was also hearing 450 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 5: about how they keep coming up from the planet. They're 451 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 5: coming up out of lakes and oceans and up out 452 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 5: of mountains and volcanoes and maces and ridges. A hole 453 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 5: will open up on the side of a mountain, UFOs 454 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 5: will zipping and out of it. I kept hearing about 455 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:04,959 Speaker 5: them being here already, and how these mountains, these that 456 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 5: they hollow out are UFO hotspots and they're all over 457 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 5: the place. If you hear about a mountain that's a 458 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 5: UFO hotspot, chances are there's an alien base inside it. 459 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 2: It's interesting. I'm very curious about it, you know. I 460 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 2: feel like it's nice the way a lot of these 461 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 2: things line up. Do you feel like they're influencing our 462 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 2: society in any way? 463 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 6: They can't help but do that they actually need us. 464 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 6: That's part of the whole thing too. They actually need us, 465 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,479 Speaker 6: They're not trying to get rid of us. But if 466 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 6: you also look at, for instance, Wilkinson's work, she's of 467 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 6: the very very strong feeling with all her interactions and 468 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 6: having four children and being introduced to the hybrids, and 469 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 6: she's got a very Christian background, but she says that 470 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 6: you know, they are not here for our benefits. They 471 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 6: are here for their benefit, and they would like to 472 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 6: not just reintegrate with us, but basically replaces in the 473 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 6: sense with hybrids so they can come back to the surface. 474 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 6: And like say, my interactants too, with my missing time 475 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 6: and those coins being magnetized, and my whole family be 476 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 6: involved with this. You know when you see a blue 477 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 6: white being the six and a half feet tall, that's skinny, 478 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 6: that comes from behind you and basically paralyzes half your body, 479 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 6: says high Steve, and then magnetizes your coins and then 480 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 6: you lose time. And this has gone on my whole life, 481 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 6: and when I started looking into it back in four 482 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 6: generations is what we call unexplained events, but it has 483 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 6: a common thread. You know, we have a family handler 484 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 6: and his name is Old glegly, or at least used 485 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 6: to be. 486 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 2: Now if you think that they want to take over 487 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 2: perhaps and reappear to the surface and take their land back, 488 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 2: if you will. 489 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 5: We can't be sure, but is the alien hybrid breeding 490 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 5: program a sign that they're trying to replace us or 491 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 5: they're trying to reintegrate with us. We'd like to give 492 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 5: them the benefit of the doubt and say, maybe this 493 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 5: is a reintegration program. 494 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 2: But they are technologically advanced more than we are. Wouldn't 495 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 2: they be able to do it at will if they 496 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 2: wanted to. 497 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 6: It's a numbers game. There was eight billion. 498 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 5: I think. 499 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 6: I say myself that I think that we, the human 500 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 6: race on the surface, are an experiment that's gotten out 501 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 6: of control. I think they made some some agreements with us, 502 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 6: with both Truman and with Eisenhower, you know, the old 503 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 6: saying that you know, you can take all the calalyps 504 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 6: you want, just give us some of your technology. I 505 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 6: think they have been giving us some of their technology, 506 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 6: and we have been allowing people and animals to be 507 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 6: taken and used, but we have not been upholding our 508 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 6: part of the bargain. 509 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 5: We think Eisenhower, you know, made this bargain because of 510 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 5: the technology, and we were entering the Cold War, they 511 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 5: were extra paranoid about Russia, and this technology could give 512 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 5: us an edge against what we feared was a very 513 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 5: dangerous opponent growing and you know, Russia. So I think 514 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 5: that kind of justifies why they did this. The technology 515 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 5: could give us an edge and war that would save 516 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 5: lives in the long run. So go ahead and abduct 517 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 5: the people you need, as long as you keep putting 518 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 5: them back, you know. 519 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 6: And eisen Hower on his way out was very famous 520 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 6: for saying beware of the military industrial complex. And that 521 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 6: was his saying, without really saying it directly, that this 522 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 6: is going to be a problem, and it was foreseeing 523 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 6: the problem for the future for sure. 524 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 2: Listen, when we come back, we're going to ask you, guys, 525 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 2: why would they hide themselves from us for all these years? 526 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 2: Could they have not taken us over one hundred years ago, 527 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 2: for example, if they're just another branch of humanity, that's 528 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 2: a good question. 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New shows come out every Friday, so I'll 553 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 3: be looking for you right here on the iHeartRadio and 554 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 3: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 555 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM 556 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: Paranormal Podcast Network. 557 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 2: We are back on Beyond Contact speaking with Stephen and 558 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 2: Leslie about the idea of these crypto terrestrials. Why do 559 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 2: they hide themselves from us? If there are just another 560 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 2: branch of humanity and they're way more advanced than us, 561 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 2: what would be the reason for them being so clandestine. 562 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 6: Well, there's a couple things, right therenumber One, they didn't 563 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 6: hide themselves from us forever. They came back to the 564 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 6: surface as teachers, the vera coaches, the quetsikotas, whatever you 565 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 6: want to say in China, you know, Huandi. They came 566 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 6: back to the surface to teach and educate and give 567 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 6: the civilization, stop us from being barbaric things such as 568 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 6: that animal husbandry. So they played gods for a long time. Okay, 569 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 6: So they didn't hide all, you know, for the whole time. 570 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 6: If you were to go cave exploring, a lot of 571 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 6: people would be claustrophobic. So there would probably be a 572 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 6: fair amount of people when we went subsurface, our cousins 573 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 6: that would be claustrophobic. But over a couple of generations, 574 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 6: the children that were being born subsurface, that would be 575 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 6: the world that they know. Okay, you have the geothermal 576 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 6: down there, you've got water, you've got resources. So they 577 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 6: did not stay down there the whole time. They did 578 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 6: come to the surface as teachers, and we think. 579 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 5: They're mutating as they're down there, so they're becoming the 580 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 5: surface is becoming less and less palatable for them. 581 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 2: That would make sense, That's what typically happens with animals. 582 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 2: The next question, of course, would be why would they 583 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 2: then show themselves occasionally in UFOs and even interact with 584 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 2: humans through abductions. So they are if these are living 585 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 2: here and they have UFOs, we see those clearly, they've 586 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,479 Speaker 2: let themselves be seen and they've even interacted with people 587 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 2: who have had experiences. So why do you think that 588 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 2: they would do that on such a limited basis? Why 589 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 2: not just show up? 590 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 5: I do have a theory. I mean I would love 591 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 5: to be in on their board meetings, you know, like 592 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 5: why do you do these things? 593 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 2: I'd love to have them on the show to be 594 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 2: honest and get these answers. 595 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 5: But for sure, But I think years ago Eisenhower and 596 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 5: the cousins set a disclosure date that has since come 597 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 5: and gone, and we believe that it's actually us now 598 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,439 Speaker 5: that's trying to keep the lid on this and keep 599 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 5: it secret. And yes, they have the ability to show 600 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 5: themselves to us anytime they want, but I think they 601 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 5: might be doing that only when they want something, when 602 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,919 Speaker 5: they're trying to force the government's hand in some way. 603 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,760 Speaker 5: That's what I think the Phoenix Lights event was, because 604 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 5: I mean, if they're not trying to show themselves to us, 605 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 5: what are they doing. They started in I believe it 606 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 5: was in Nevada, and then they crossed all of Arizona 607 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 5: into Mexico, making sure to go over the capital so 608 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 5: that the most people could see them. I think that 609 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 5: they're just trying to force concessions from our government. 610 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's odd to me that they wouldn't just just 611 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 2: land it then everybody would know, you know. You know, 612 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 2: another thing about this government is perhaps another thing that 613 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,800 Speaker 2: fits with your theory and the folklore, is that perhaps 614 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 2: the reason we don't have disclosure is because perhaps the 615 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 2: government would be aware that this is where they're from. 616 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 2: And it's one thing to say that there's a spaceman 617 00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 2: doing a drive by checking us out, you know, with 618 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 2: a probe. It's another to say there's a superior race 619 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 2: and they live right under your feet being good. Think 620 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 2: that's part of the no disclosure thing. Oh yeah, m hmm, yep. 621 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 6: You know, human on human or cousin on cousin of brutality. 622 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 6: You know, okay, did where did my uncle? Where did 623 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 6: my father go? That was a hunter that disappeared, like, 624 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 6: you know, with a bunch of other people there and 625 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 6: just disappeared and never was seen from again. Frequently from 626 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 6: Germanic background, And it's like, okay, how are you going 627 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 6: to have like a planet wide lawsuit against our against 628 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 6: our cousins? I mean, how are you going to deal 629 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 6: with it? I mean, people are very xenophobic. We're more xenophobic. 630 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,959 Speaker 6: It's easier to point the finger up against a race 631 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 6: of tentacle monsters than it is to point the fingers down, 632 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 6: you know, saying these are basically human beings. It's it's 633 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 6: a very very sensitive subject and I think it's kind 634 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 6: of things have gotten out of control the way it's 635 00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,439 Speaker 6: looking as far as I can see. 636 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 5: I'm thought of some evidence that I forgot to mention. 637 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 5: There was the hair of the alien. 638 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 2: All the clear hair. 639 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, the clear hair that tests as human. Bizarre human. 640 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 5: It tests is Gaelic and Basque and Chinese mixture of DNA, 641 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,280 Speaker 5: but the DNA shows it as human. But the hair 642 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 5: is a mutant hair because there is no such thing 643 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 5: as a clear hair in humans. That right there, in 644 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 5: one little hair, we have proof that we're dealing with humans, 645 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 5: and proof that we're dealing with mutants, the. 646 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 2: Big mud human hair right exactly right right. What kind 647 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 2: of pushback do you guys get on this theory? People 648 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 2: must challenge this. There's a lot of areas. What what 649 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 2: is the biggest pushback you guys have found. 650 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 6: The biggest pushback, honestly is religious. They say, oh, I believe, 651 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 6: I believe in Jesus, and aliens are just their demons. 652 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 6: That's the biggest pushback. We really get at their demons 653 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 6: and that this is all just all made up, and 654 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 6: or that were basically insane, you know something along there. 655 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 6: Either religious or we're insane, or you know pretty much 656 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 6: that's those are the two biggest pushbacks. 657 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,240 Speaker 2: Your book is incredible. It's got so many different areas 658 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 2: that you guys cover. It's really quite herculan how much 659 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 2: you've tried to cover and tried to fit into this 660 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 2: And I think it's really impressive. And now you've come 661 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 2: out with a second edition that just came out a 662 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 2: couple months ago. What sort of updates went into that book? 663 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,799 Speaker 5: Well, as we were doing our podcasts, we discovered that 664 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 5: people were really interested in Steven's abduction experiences, and before 665 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 5: we only put a few of them into the preface 666 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 5: just to give people an idea where we were coming from. 667 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 5: But we decided to give them their entire chapter all 668 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 5: to their own, and included pretty much all of them 669 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 5: that we could remember. Then we updated the UFO news, 670 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 5: the latest news, what Congress has been up to in 671 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,359 Speaker 5: the last few years, the new Arrow reporting organization and 672 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 5: what we think about them. Also the correction, of course, 673 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,760 Speaker 5: which was important to me. I really didn't like having 674 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 5: the wrong name of the celestial impact in the book, 675 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 5: so that. 676 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 2: I'm so thrilled that you heard that. That was one 677 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 2: of my biggest things. I was going to spend a 678 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 2: whole ten minute segment with you about how this doesn't 679 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 2: line up, this doesn't work, and you corrected it, and 680 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,959 Speaker 2: God bless you. That's impressive to me. And the fact 681 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 2: that you guys just seem immersed in this and you 682 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,240 Speaker 2: try to bet everything in it is really really incredible. 683 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:37,839 Speaker 2: Good for you. 684 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 6: Yeah, and also too in our book, we also at 685 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,840 Speaker 6: Contact in the Desert. We became good friends with Joshua Sissler. 686 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 6: We purchased one of the artifacts from Mexico that are 687 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 6: being dated through a couple of different methods including you know, 688 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 6: no carbon fourteen, but also the TGN, the terrestrial nuclear 689 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 6: tied dating and and the proton the proton dating when 690 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,880 Speaker 6: you're using things such as potassium and ragon. And some 691 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,799 Speaker 6: of these artifacts are dating back to anywhere from two 692 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,279 Speaker 6: thousand to thirty some one thousand years old, and they 693 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:18,839 Speaker 6: have definitely they depict Sumerians and protoce Sumerian and Aliens 694 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 6: and UFOs, and they're legitimate finds. 695 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:22,319 Speaker 5: You know. 696 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 6: The Mexican government has been trying to say, oh, they're 697 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,760 Speaker 6: just being made by the locals, but they're being found 698 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 6: too widespread and too many different areas. So anyway, so 699 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,279 Speaker 6: we also have that in there, and also to at 700 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 6: backs at what Sitchen said that these Sumerians had a 701 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 6: foothold in South and Central America to way before supposedly 702 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 6: we were there. 703 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 2: Listen, guys, we don't have time to go into more 704 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,880 Speaker 2: of this. I wish we did, because your theory and 705 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 2: your documentary and certainly your book and your updated book 706 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,760 Speaker 2: is extremely ambitious. It literally looks at all the different 707 00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 2: phenomenon out there related the UFOs and the paranormal literally hybrids, 708 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 2: ant people, bigfoot bases in Antarctica, dragons, dinosaurs, genetic manipulation, telepathy, abduction, Maelstrom, Eisenhower, cryptids, 709 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 2: just just everything. And I'm just sort of impressed of 710 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 2: how you've taken each of these things and tried to 711 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 2: fit them into this idea. And I think it's impressive. 712 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 2: And who knows, I mean, none of us know where 713 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 2: what's real? So why is this not as strong as 714 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 2: anything else? I love how Whitley says he doesn't know 715 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 2: what they are. He hates that he's called the alien guy, 716 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,919 Speaker 2: and that's why he calls them the visitors because because 717 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 2: I don't know, I wonder what his thoughts on this 718 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:40,840 Speaker 2: would be. I'm going to ask some other people what 719 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 2: their thoughts are, but I really appreciate you guys taking 720 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,319 Speaker 2: the time to share that with us. If you guys 721 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,320 Speaker 2: want to learn more about them, go to their website, 722 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 2: which is who they arebook dot com. 723 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 5: We're on Instagram at Leslie dot Shaw dot author, and 724 00:41:55,280 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 5: our documentary is on rokuplex, Apple TV and a bunch 725 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 5: of other platforms to be now and that's called who 726 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 5: They Are. 727 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 2: Excellent and you guys can find me on Twitter and 728 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,200 Speaker 2: Instagram as well at CID Underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected 729 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,759 Speaker 2: by checking out contactindthedesert dot com. Stay open minded and 730 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,239 Speaker 2: rational as we explore the unknown right here on the 731 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,720 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio and Coast to Code Am Paranormal Podcast Network. 732 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost 733 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. Make sure and check out 734 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: all our shows on the iHeartRadio app or by going 735 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:47,959 Speaker 1: to iHeartRadio dot com.