WEBVTT - Part Two: How Avery Brundage Gave Hitler an Olympics

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<v Speaker 1>Also media.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So I don't know. I mean, I guess it

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<v Speaker 2>depends on what you consider to be murder. Like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't really think it was murder, because you know, I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was pretty wasted, so like, I feel like that

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<v Speaker 2>is a mitigating factor. But oh my god, we're recording. Hey, sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>this was a podcast. Well, this was not a podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize we were recording. I was just talking

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<v Speaker 2>to Matt Leeb about our weekend on Sesame Street.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Mine was also good on Sesame Street. And yes

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<v Speaker 3>on Sesame Street. Yes. Anyway, legal analysts are split on

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<v Speaker 3>whether or not the Sesame Street weekend we had was

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<v Speaker 3>legal or not.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's I think what's most important

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<v Speaker 2>to note is that big Bird is up in a farm,

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<v Speaker 2>uh in the country now, and he's doing great.

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<v Speaker 3>He's fine, he's fine, he's good.

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<v Speaker 2>Look into like the will that that is totally legitimate,

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<v Speaker 2>that will be found in this house. Anyway, Matt, we're

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<v Speaker 2>still in our Burton Ernie bed reading her bedtime story,

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<v Speaker 2>a two hour bedtime story.

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<v Speaker 4>Yet what wait, I have an important questions and I

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<v Speaker 4>feel like Matt would give a fantastic answer this question,

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<v Speaker 4>which fictional TV character would you let defend you in court?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh god? I mean the obvious one is fog Horn

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<v Speaker 3>Leghorn because he already sounds like a rooster lawyer. But

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<v Speaker 3>if I had to go, uh, does it have to

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<v Speaker 3>be a cartoon? No?

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, no, I think I think it. I think

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<v Speaker 4>it's just fictional, so just so it could be. And

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<v Speaker 4>you know from from either shows that you I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>you could pod yourself the gun or pod yourself the wire?

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<v Speaker 3>Where are you? I think I already chose Foghorn Leghorn.

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<v Speaker 3>But if I had to choose someone from you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a live action television show, I don't know. I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like a fucking I think the Good Doctor would be

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<v Speaker 3>pretty good at it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, see me. I'm picking my cousin Vinnie, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>largely because I would like to meet Marisitome.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 2>He will get me off out of this murder rap

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<v Speaker 2>that I shouldn't catch for whatever happened to Big Bird, which.

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<v Speaker 3>Doesn't matter what happened. The point is is, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to be fine. We're going to be fine.

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<v Speaker 3>Big Bird is still alive.

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<v Speaker 2>I do kind of want to see I mean, this

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<v Speaker 2>is adjacent to Sesame Street. But I do feel like

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<v Speaker 2>right after my cousin Vinnie, they could have done a sequel,

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<v Speaker 2>but where the rest of the cast are muppets, and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>that would have been a great movie.

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<v Speaker 3>They could have done a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like the original could have had muppets in

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<v Speaker 2>it and it will worked out pretty.

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<v Speaker 3>Were not really many movies out there that couldn't also

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<v Speaker 3>work being a combination live action muppet movie. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I just Godfather.

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<v Speaker 2>The Pianist, sure, Oh yeah, definitely the Pianist Captain Corelli's

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<v Speaker 2>mandolin for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, it just works.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the cold open, everybody. We're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>more about Avery Brundage when we get back. And we're back. So,

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<v Speaker 2>if Pierre de Kubertine was the Jesus Christ of the Olympics,

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<v Speaker 2>and he kind of was, Enri de Ballets, Latour was

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<v Speaker 2>the Apostle Paul we mentioned him in the last episode.

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<v Speaker 2>This is kind of the guy Kubertine when he gets

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<v Speaker 2>too old. Henri is the dude who kind of follows

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<v Speaker 2>him as the King of the Olympics. You might say

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<v Speaker 2>that's not what they call it, but that's what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to call it because Enri de Ballet Latour was

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<v Speaker 2>a Belgian aristocrat. His father was a count and former

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<v Speaker 2>governor of Antwerp, which, of all the parts of Belgium,

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<v Speaker 2>is certainly one of them. He had been elected to

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<v Speaker 2>Kubertine's successor as President of the Olympics in nineteen twenty five,

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<v Speaker 2>and as the nineteen thirty dawned, his primary claim to

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<v Speaker 2>fame was that in nineteen twenty eight he had tried

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<v Speaker 2>to ban women from the Olympics.

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<v Speaker 3>Hell. Yeah, so that's that's Ballet la tour.

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<v Speaker 2>Things are too easy for broads in nineteen twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, there's gonna be men only nineteen twenty eight onward,

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<v Speaker 3>all dudes.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to see men in tight span dex dancing, dancing.

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<v Speaker 4>I would like to see a man do what Simone

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<v Speaker 4>Biles does.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, literally can't because she is one of one. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, but if I try hard and I could probably

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<v Speaker 3>do those flips.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what I saw the first time I met you,

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<v Speaker 2>is you have a real Simone Biles energy, absolutely a microphone.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm limber and I'm fun, that's right, That's right, and

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<v Speaker 3>much too tall.

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<v Speaker 2>You know who's not limber? Or fun was Enri Ballet

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<v Speaker 2>la tour?

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<v Speaker 4>Cool?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now I learned he was a piece of shit

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<v Speaker 2>from the book burlin in Games by Guy Walters. But

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<v Speaker 2>whenever I learned some very prominent and respected guy was

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<v Speaker 2>actually a scumbag, I like to take a glance at

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<v Speaker 2>their wiki just to see if they're like any funny

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<v Speaker 2>examples of editors. They are trying to diplomatically describe how

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<v Speaker 2>much a dude sucks, presumably while battling the horde of

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<v Speaker 2>bots that today's International Committee commands to whitewash their history.

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<v Speaker 2>And sure enough, when I went to Allanrie's wiki, I

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<v Speaker 2>found this. As IOC president, he focused on preserving the

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<v Speaker 2>traditional ideals and integrity of the Olympics and supporting amateur

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<v Speaker 2>sport globally during a time of increasing political and commercial pressures,

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<v Speaker 2>despite his antipathy towards Jews and his desire to exclude

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<v Speaker 2>women from participating in the yellowcups. Oh boy, it feels

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<v Speaker 2>like a buried lead there?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that not the name of the sub section typathy? Yeah? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>well this does give me an opportunity to use my

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<v Speaker 3>net and Yahoo soundboard that I just invented. All right,

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<v Speaker 3>there we go and here's another one. Crazy Jews, Crazy Jews.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be popular. So since Ballet la Tour

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<v Speaker 2>was a raging anti semi that's what I mean. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we could all do that in our heads. You

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<v Speaker 2>hear someone described as having antipathy towards Jews, that's the

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<v Speaker 2>most racist man you've ever heard of, although not in

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<v Speaker 2>this case, because Hitler is also a part of our story.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, he's around at the same time, you know, And.

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<v Speaker 2>Because Ballet la Tour he is going to push back

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<v Speaker 2>on some of Hitler's discrimination against Jewish athletes. He gets

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<v Speaker 2>more credit that he deserves because he is At no

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<v Speaker 2>point is he doing it because it's really wrong. He's

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<v Speaker 2>doing it because, like, well, I know I should do

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<v Speaker 2>this because the Olympics is supposed to be for everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>and I kind of hate these people, but all, like

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<v Speaker 2>I have to demand they at least pretend not to

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<v Speaker 2>be racist than not against these people that I also hate.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we have to put on a good face, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like you need to wear a mask if you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to hate Jews. Come on Hitler, right right.

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<v Speaker 2>And the problem for Ballet la Tour, who's again he's

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<v Speaker 2>president of the IOC, which is the International Committee Avery

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<v Speaker 2>Brundage is for most of his period he's president and

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<v Speaker 2>then like a leading official in the AOC, which is

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<v Speaker 2>the American Olympic Committee. Right, So Brundage is like a

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<v Speaker 2>local Olympic leader and balleyla Tour is running the whole shebang, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And so Ballet la Tour Brundage desperately wants to be

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<v Speaker 2>on the IOC, and he is eventually going to get

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<v Speaker 2>on it and later will be president of the IOC,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's looking he has to kind of he has

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<v Speaker 2>to make balleyla Tour happy in order to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to make that jump, right. So this is like from

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<v Speaker 2>a career point of view, what's going on here? And

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<v Speaker 2>the problem for both balayla Tour and Brundage is that

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<v Speaker 2>as soon as the Nazis get into power, they start

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<v Speaker 2>banning Jewish athletes from joining sporting organizations, from using the

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<v Speaker 2>same sporting facilities as Aryan athletes. And this they don't

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<v Speaker 2>like directly say Jews can't be in the Olympics, but

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<v Speaker 2>because they have, they have made it impossible for Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>people to be a part of any of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that funnel people into the Olympics, right, So it's a

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<v Speaker 2>facto band, right, Yeah, I think there is an eventually,

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<v Speaker 2>like a straight up band, but it starts as just

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<v Speaker 2>sort of like, well, we have now made it impossible

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<v Speaker 2>for this to happen, right Yeah. Avery Brundage again also

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<v Speaker 2>sees this as a problem, but he's also very racist,

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<v Speaker 2>So they're both in this position of like, well, we

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<v Speaker 2>have this kind of messianic belief in the Olympics and

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<v Speaker 2>everyone should be capable of being in the Olympics. So

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<v Speaker 2>we don't like that you've made this impossible, but we

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<v Speaker 2>also basically agree with why you hate the Juice, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like we do think they run an international conspiracy.

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<v Speaker 3>We're very racist. You listen, I get where you're coming

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<v Speaker 3>from with the whole Jews thing. What I'm just saying,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, that's trying to ban them. Yeah, I'm trying

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<v Speaker 3>to square that with letting everyone compete in sport. And uh,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a tricky one.

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<v Speaker 2>It's such a it's such an interesting because there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of these kinds you even when you read through

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<v Speaker 2>like wartime memoirs of like Americans, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>like like patent pretty racist against Jewish people, and then

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<v Speaker 2>like the Holocaust becomes clear and there are a number

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<v Speaker 2>of folks who are like, oh, I guess I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of racist. I learned something about me through

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<v Speaker 2>this whole experience, And isn't that what war is all about?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? Yeah, learning that you're not as bad as.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So the Nazis being Nazis, spark anger across the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the world with a chaotic series of aggressive

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<v Speaker 2>Olympic related spasms pretty much as soon as they're in charge. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this goes in a number of different directions. First off,

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<v Speaker 2>they're just kind of like, we don't even want to

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<v Speaker 2>host the games if you guys are going to be

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<v Speaker 2>dicks about this hole us oppressing Jewish people think.

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<v Speaker 3>And then they're like, yeah, you guys are going to

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<v Speaker 3>be rude about our belief system about how Jews are vermin.

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<v Speaker 3>Then I don't even think we want to do this shit. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The other thing they do, so the guy who's the

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<v Speaker 2>president of the German Olympic Committee, so he's like the

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<v Speaker 2>German Avery Brundage, is a guy named Theodore Leveled and

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<v Speaker 2>he's like half Jewish, right, and so they try to

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<v Speaker 2>fire him, and the IOC is like, well, you can't, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like then we definitely will. And so like he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be leveled. Is like in such an awkward position

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<v Speaker 2>where he is part Jewish, he has actively been discriminating,

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<v Speaker 2>discriminated on in this in this entire pre and during

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<v Speaker 2>the Olympics period. He is also the head of the

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<v Speaker 2>German Olympic Committee still and it's one of those like

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely know there are definitely people at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>like Jewish refugees and stuff, who attacked him for being

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<v Speaker 2>a trader. I also like, well, I don't know, man,

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<v Speaker 2>what happens to your family if you are that publicly

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<v Speaker 2>like that. I'm not gonna. I don't have it in

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<v Speaker 2>me to judge people in that situation.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it's a bit tricky if yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>yeah German jew at this time. Yeah, like maybe we

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<v Speaker 3>can like reason with him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, it's it's yeah, I just don't have it

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<v Speaker 2>in me to come down on the guy. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>important to understand that context and understand that there are

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people who consider him a trader.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>The Nazis banned Jewish athletes from from using public training

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<v Speaker 2>facilities and from holding membership in any of the sporting

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<v Speaker 2>organizations that funnel competitors up to the Olympics. This sparks

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<v Speaker 2>outrage in the United States and the US we're really

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<v Speaker 2>interested that it's interesting in this period because we are

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<v Speaker 2>as racist as we have ever been in the nineteen thirties.

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<v Speaker 2>But anytime somebody comes straight out and makes their politics

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<v Speaker 2>at a national level, you can get away with at

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<v Speaker 2>a local level in the South, especially, but if you

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<v Speaker 2>come out at a national level and you might make

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<v Speaker 2>your politics be about racial exclusion, Americans don't generally like that, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But I think in large part not because we're any

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<v Speaker 2>less racist than anyone else, but because it conflicts with

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<v Speaker 2>the idea Americans have of themselves.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that offends them right of one day not

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<v Speaker 3>being racist or the idea that like, no, we're not

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<v Speaker 3>actually racist. Yes, on a national level, we're really really

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<v Speaker 3>polite about segregation.

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<v Speaker 2>As we're going to get into, one of the awkward

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<v Speaker 2>things about this is that a lot of some of

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<v Speaker 2>the people who reject the boycott campaign in the US

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<v Speaker 2>are black American athletes, and they have a really good point, right,

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<v Speaker 2>because they're like, well, but we have like a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the same laws, Like I can't play in most

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<v Speaker 2>of the same facilities that like the people running the

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<v Speaker 2>Olympics play in. So why am I pissed about Germany

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<v Speaker 2>in particular?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like, well, yeah, I mean from the position

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<v Speaker 2>of like, yeah, you're a black boxer, like nineteen thirty

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<v Speaker 2>five or whatever, I understand that argument. I certainly can't.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like you get with them black strike

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<v Speaker 2>breakers during like the Cold Wars, where it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>they wouldn't let you be part of the union. What

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<v Speaker 2>are you supposed to do? Right, Like you had a

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<v Speaker 2>family to feed? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh, I guess in

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<v Speaker 2>this case, you're legally not allowed to feed your family

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<v Speaker 2>by being good at sports. So there is that difference.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a boycott campaign that starts to consolidate around

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen thirty six games. As Carolyn Marvin lays out

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<v Speaker 2>in an article for the Journal of American Studies, telegrams,

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<v Speaker 2>phone calls, and letters demanding an official American reaction besieged

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<v Speaker 2>Brundage as the president of the AOC, and he released

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<v Speaker 2>a statement giving his personal but unofficial opinion that the

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<v Speaker 2>IOC would not permit the games to be held wherever

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<v Speaker 2>there might be interference with the fundamental Olympic theory of

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<v Speaker 2>a quality of all races. To Brundage's irritation, this was

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<v Speaker 2>reported as an official challenge to German Olympic Committee policy.

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<v Speaker 2>He had only meant to reassure the American public, upon

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<v Speaker 2>whose goodwill Olympic activities depended, he explained in a letter

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<v Speaker 2>to the nervous doctor Leveled. Facing problems of his own

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<v Speaker 2>and fearing the defection of the large and prestigious American team,

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<v Speaker 2>so he talks when he really shouldn't have, and it

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<v Speaker 2>causes problems for Leveled over in Germany and Levels again

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<v Speaker 2>in a very tough position. Now, back in nineteen thirty,

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<v Speaker 2>before the Nazis were in charge, the American Olympic Committee

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<v Speaker 2>had sent a guy named Gustavus Kirby to observe construction

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<v Speaker 2>efforts for the stadium to make sure that the plans

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<v Speaker 2>for the thirty six Olympics were going according to like plan,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was the first guy that Ballet Latour had

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<v Speaker 2>Brundage trot out to fight back against fears that the

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<v Speaker 2>Nazis might have plans to do some like racial violence

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<v Speaker 2>and thus weren't fitting Olympic hosts. They were also worried

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<v Speaker 2>like are they going to start another war?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there going to be a big European war? And

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<v Speaker 2>so his job, by way of defending the Olympics, Kirby

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<v Speaker 2>has to like argue that Germany is never going to

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<v Speaker 2>do another war. Oh, and here's what Kirby writes, The

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<v Speaker 2>German psychology is not that of deception. The World War

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<v Speaker 2>was not only in their hearts but also on their

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<v Speaker 2>lips before it was precipitated, and that if the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the world were blind, it certainly was not because

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<v Speaker 2>Germany had for years been boasting. And therefore if the

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<v Speaker 2>present activity were being directed toward a warlike end, we

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<v Speaker 2>would certainly hear of it, know of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think we know if Germany had some sort

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<v Speaker 3>of ambitions towards a war.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. God, beautiful stuff. So somehow this failed to reassure anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Balley la Tour, president of the Olympics, got involved and

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<v Speaker 2>he wrote Avery Brundage a letter saying I am not

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<v Speaker 2>personally fond of Jews and of the Jewish influence, but

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<v Speaker 2>I will not have them molested in no way whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 3>Godol, I love the middle ground of this. So they're

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<v Speaker 3>just like, listen, I'm no fan of the international Jew right.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we can all agree with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, the Nazis are right about everything except their laws.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, except the whole power they're molesting them, all right,

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<v Speaker 3>let's not molest It's so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's not like this is one of the

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<v Speaker 2>worst things that ever happened in history, and it keeps

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<v Speaker 2>being repeated in various forms down through the ages. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's very funny whenever you read how people like talked

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<v Speaker 2>about this, like the attempts to like we would know

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<v Speaker 2>if the Germans wanted war. It's like that Simpson's line,

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<v Speaker 2>no one who's German could be a bad man. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So Ballet Latour urges Brundage to find a way to

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<v Speaker 2>apply pressure to the Germans, while also acknowledging that the

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<v Speaker 2>Jews quote shout before there is reason to do so

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<v Speaker 2>they always just the good part.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's just like and I acknowledge again, you cries

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<v Speaker 3>out in pain before he strikes you. I acknowledge this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, we've got to put pressure on the Nazis.

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<v Speaker 2>But also I'm really bad, like maybe clear about this.

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<v Speaker 2>I suck so hard, No, I'm just as evil as

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<v Speaker 2>you gonna.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't get me wrong. You know, White don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>do anything about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to get angry on Reddit about it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know that's me. I got like fourteen eighty eight

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<v Speaker 3>mine fucking Twitter handle and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>So, both Brundage and Balela Tour did strongly disagree with

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that the Nazis had Banjews from qualifying to

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<v Speaker 2>compete in the Olympics. And again, this isn't because of

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<v Speaker 2>any particular respect for human rights, but more because of

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<v Speaker 2>their religious faith in the Olympics as a concept. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>the only people you can exclude are professional athletes because

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<v Speaker 2>they're fundamentally bad people.

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<v Speaker 3>For making them exactly yeah, yeah, they're destroying sport by

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<v Speaker 3>feeding their families with it.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a fascinating set of moral lines these people truy.

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<v Speaker 2>So the American Olympic Committee voted to boycott the games

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<v Speaker 2>of Germany didn't reverse course, and Brundage supported the resolution initially,

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<v Speaker 2>and it passes easily because again, Americans don't like being

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<v Speaker 2>seen as racist.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Had the story ended there, Brundage probably wouldn't ever have

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<v Speaker 2>made behind the bastards. You would have been yet another

0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:26.200
<v Speaker 2>guy in the twenties had some shitty opinions but ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>did the right thing right supporting the boycott, I would argue,

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<v Speaker 2>was the right thing to do. Sure, but the IOC

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<v Speaker 2>was very unhappy with this situation because every person in

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<v Speaker 2>the IOC is a wealthy aristocrat or at least rich

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<v Speaker 2>in the case of the Americans, and they all thought

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<v Speaker 2>the Nazis were actually pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they're on something.

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<v Speaker 2>There's one guy who doesn't suck in the fancy boys

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<v Speaker 2>Olympic club, and it's a commodore, ernest Yankee like JH.

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<v Speaker 2>Ncke who is the former Assistant Secretary of the Navy.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's another guy. I have General General Cheryl who's

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<v Speaker 2>on the Olympic Committee who does suck and is basically

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<v Speaker 2>a Nazi. But Comrado or Janki is like, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not saying he's like woke by whatever standards people use today,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's like, the Nazis are bad and we shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 3>We shouldn't humor.

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<v Speaker 2>Hitler with an Olympics, right like he wants this, and

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<v Speaker 2>we shouldn't give Hitler the things that he wants, right

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<v Speaker 2>love it. So yeah, his colleagues want him out as

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<v Speaker 2>a result of this. Now they will eventually force him out.

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<v Speaker 2>They can't do it right away. There's like you gotta

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<v Speaker 2>have you gotta basically have a whole vote. He's got

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<v Speaker 2>to do like some Emperor Palpatine, Star Wars, prequels, politics

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<v Speaker 2>shit to make this happen right right right, Balleyla Tour

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be a big part of that. So

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<v Speaker 2>while they're waiting to be able to force him out,

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<v Speaker 2>Balleila Tour promises Brundage, Hey, this guy, he's either going

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<v Speaker 2>to resign or one of these days, one way or another,

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<v Speaker 2>he will be out in the near future. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you fix this boycott situation, his seat will go to you, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the thing, Avery, Brundage is always.

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<v Speaker 3>All he wants advancement, that.

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<v Speaker 2>Brave yes, and we all crave advancement. And really the

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<v Speaker 2>only way to advance is to buy the products sponsored

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<v Speaker 2>on their show. A lot of people don't know this, actually,

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<v Speaker 2>but one of the products sold on this show is

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<v Speaker 2>a seat on the IOC.

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<v Speaker 3>You know it.

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<v Speaker 2>And if we get enough listeners on the IOC, we

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<v Speaker 2>can make my old hometown of Idabell, Oklahoma be the

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<v Speaker 2>site of the new Olympics, and I just think that

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<v Speaker 2>would be kind of funny.

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<v Speaker 3>That would be sick of.

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<v Speaker 2>North Korea marching through the streets of Idaba.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's do it, guys.

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<v Speaker 4>I do kind of feel like they're going to run

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<v Speaker 4>actual Olympic ads on our shows during the Games. I

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<v Speaker 4>do kind of feel like NBC probably whoever the fuck

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<v Speaker 4>owns the streaming rights.

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<v Speaker 3>Hell yeah, I'll.

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<v Speaker 2>Take their money. I'll take their money, and I will

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<v Speaker 2>make them do the discus on the cow farm where

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<v Speaker 2>I grew up. Anyway, here's here's some ads. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>So we're back. So I want to read a quote

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<v Speaker 2>from Guy Walters kind of the conundrum that Avery Brundage

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<v Speaker 2>is faced with. Well, Brundage knew that if he wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to succeed him Jonki, he would have to do exactly

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<v Speaker 2>as the President and the Vice President wished. With the

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<v Speaker 2>two men looking benevolently on Germany, Brundage decided that he

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<v Speaker 2>would change his opinion to coincide with theirs. It was

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<v Speaker 2>nothing more than toadying. From this moment on, Brundage would

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<v Speaker 2>do everything in his power to ensure that his masters

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<v Speaker 2>were satisfied and The best way he could do that

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<v Speaker 2>was to ensure American participation at Berlin. Had Brundage not

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<v Speaker 2>been so personally ambitious, then a boycott would have been,

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<v Speaker 2>if not inevitable, certainly more likely. Nevertheless, the road to

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<v Speaker 2>Berlin was long, and it was to be heavy going.

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<v Speaker 2>Brundage's first task was to go to Germany at the

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<v Speaker 2>behest of the American Olympic Association, a decision that had

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<v Speaker 2>been taken in February.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's going to go to Germany and he's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be assured. He's going to take a little tour. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>everything in Germany is all good. Everyone is check ill,

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<v Speaker 3>and don't worry about any future wars. That's just Jewish propaganda,

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<v Speaker 3>right right.

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<v Speaker 2>Our streets are filled with marching soldiers. Don't worry about it.

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<v Speaker 3>No, they're just they just we just like doing fucking

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<v Speaker 3>heel to toe walking.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we like uniforms. Who does racewalking? Racewalking just like you,

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<v Speaker 2>different kind of racewalking.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a master race walking, but it's still we're

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<v Speaker 3>into it. We're just like you, bro.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just like you guys. It was obvious from the

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<v Speaker 2>jump that Brundage would approve entirely of the German efforts.

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<v Speaker 2>Before he left, he wrote this in an article for

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<v Speaker 2>Olympic News. The German committee is making every effort to

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<v Speaker 2>provide the finest facilities and plans to reproduce the Los

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<v Speaker 2>Angeles Olympic village. We should see in the youth of

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<v Speaker 2>Berlin the forebears of a race of free, independent thinkers,

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<v Speaker 2>accustomed to the democracy of sport, a race disdainful of

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<v Speaker 2>sharp practice, tolerant of the rights of others, and practicing

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<v Speaker 2>the Golden Rule because it believes in it. Yes, that's

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<v Speaker 2>how would described nineteen thirty six Germans. Tolerance of the

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<v Speaker 2>rights of others.

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<v Speaker 3>That sounds like the Germany I know, and I've read

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<v Speaker 3>about in history books.

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<v Speaker 2>People can't stop talking about how much they love an

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<v Speaker 2>independent Poland it's the only thing on the books.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't walk down the street without something me like.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Polish independence is great, great.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm such a brand of their being because there was

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<v Speaker 2>one last flag in Europe before Polish independence.

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<v Speaker 3>And I like it, and I like it. It's good

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<v Speaker 3>to happen. If there's one thing we can all agree

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<v Speaker 3>on here in Germany is that we have enough space

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<v Speaker 3>for everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to give as much detail as I

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<v Speaker 2>have on the trip Avery took, but I want to

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<v Speaker 2>actually first read you a summary of the whole trip

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<v Speaker 2>by Oliver Hilmes in his book Berlin in nineteen thirty six,

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<v Speaker 2>which I like less than Guy's book, but I appreciated

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<v Speaker 2>this passage. Brendage stayed in the capitol of the Third

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<v Speaker 2>Reich for six days, inspecting construction on the Olympic Stadium

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<v Speaker 2>and other facilities, visiting a number of museums, and generally

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<v Speaker 2>enjoying life. He had little time left over for meeting

0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:06.920
<v Speaker 2>representatives of Jewish athletics. When they told him that Jews

0:23:06.920 --> 0:23:09.560
<v Speaker 2>were no longer allowed to join German sports clubs, he replied,

0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:12.640
<v Speaker 2>in my club in Chicago, Jews are not permitted either.

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<v Speaker 3>That great, great cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that's not a bad point vis a vis

0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:23.760
<v Speaker 2>the United States not going well on this, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>a bad point for you to make.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like, hey, you know, listen, we also don't

0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:33.480
<v Speaker 3>allow Jews here, So yeah, do what you need to do.

0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:36.080
<v Speaker 2>Who am I as hell? So who's to say the

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<v Speaker 2>Nazis are bad?

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<v Speaker 3>Who am I to try to change any of this shit?

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<v Speaker 3>So now I'm going to.

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<v Speaker 2>Give you the full story of his visit to Germany.

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<v Speaker 2>I just really found that paragraph funny. On his way

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<v Speaker 2>to Germany, before he actually gets there for the trip,

0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Brundage stops at Stockholm for a meeting of some international

0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:55.960
<v Speaker 2>athletic federation or another. They held a party at a

0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:58.640
<v Speaker 2>villa and he meets a guy named Carl diam there,

0:23:58.680 --> 0:24:01.080
<v Speaker 2>who's a He's tight with a lot of major German

0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:05.159
<v Speaker 2>sporting officials. He's a big wig in German sporting. DM

0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:07.960
<v Speaker 2>invites him to lunch the next day while with Leveled,

0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:12.359
<v Speaker 2>that half Jewish German sporting official and Justice W. Meyerhoff,

0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:16.720
<v Speaker 2>a Jewish member of Berlin's sports club. Meyerhoff had obviously

0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:19.879
<v Speaker 2>faced repression at home being a German Jewish athlete. He

0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:21.879
<v Speaker 2>had been forced out of athletics like every other Jewish

0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:24.679
<v Speaker 2>person in Germany. But when the boycott threats cropped up,

0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:26.960
<v Speaker 2>the Nazis had said, hey, go put on a show

0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:29.760
<v Speaker 2>for this American or else. So he goes to lunch

0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:32.600
<v Speaker 2>with Leveled, and he tells Brundage, oh man, the Nazis,

0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:35.600
<v Speaker 2>those guys are great. You know, I tried to resign

0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:38.280
<v Speaker 2>from my sports club. Who wouldn't even let me, wouldn't

0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:41.240
<v Speaker 2>take my resignation. I was so proud of him. Great dudes.

0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:45.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all those guys. Oh the people in the brown

0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:50.920
<v Speaker 3>shirts and they're cool. Hell yeah, Oh we're all friends.

0:24:50.960 --> 0:24:54.160
<v Speaker 3>We all hang out. Oh this black guy, I got

0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:56.520
<v Speaker 3>it from now. We hugged to all. No.

0:24:56.640 --> 0:24:58.399
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm a runner, so like I felt like

0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:00.919
<v Speaker 2>fingernails were slowing me down. I just took them all

0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:06.400
<v Speaker 2>off myself, you know, to try and get more aerodynamic.

0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:13.359
<v Speaker 2>That's why I lost all this weight. Yeah, I'm just

0:25:13.359 --> 0:25:19.119
<v Speaker 2>trying to make a way for DM later wrote of

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<v Speaker 2>the meeting, Brundage was visibly impressed. Avery is wined and

0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:26.280
<v Speaker 2>dined in Stockholm by German officials who praise him as

0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:28.760
<v Speaker 2>an athlete, a businessman, and a potential friend to the

0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:32.520
<v Speaker 2>German people. When he arrived in East Prussia on September twelfth,

0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:34.359
<v Speaker 2>one day short of a nine to eleven, he was

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<v Speaker 2>ready to believe whatever the Nazis told him. Or one

0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:40.000
<v Speaker 2>day long of a nine to eleven. I messed up

0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:41.560
<v Speaker 2>my nine to eleven joke, but I was gotta make

0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:44.119
<v Speaker 2>one anyway. I'm going to quote from Walters again. He

0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:46.639
<v Speaker 2>met Jewish sports leaders, who under the watchful eyes of

0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:49.680
<v Speaker 2>Nazi handlers, assured Brundage that conditions were not as the

0:25:49.720 --> 0:25:53.280
<v Speaker 2>foreign newspapers were suggesting. Brundage was further handicapped by his

0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:56.399
<v Speaker 2>inability to speak German, so any inferences that the Jewish

0:25:56.440 --> 0:25:58.960
<v Speaker 2>sportsman may have may have made would have been blocked

0:25:58.960 --> 0:26:01.520
<v Speaker 2>out by the Nazis. In turn, Brundage also met his

0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:03.760
<v Speaker 2>old friend von Halt, who assured him that there were

0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:06.920
<v Speaker 2>no obstacles to Jews making the Olympic team, a pledge

0:26:06.960 --> 0:26:10.000
<v Speaker 2>echoed by von Schamer und Austen, with whom the American

0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:12.160
<v Speaker 2>got on well. By the end of the week, Brundage

0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:14.320
<v Speaker 2>not only felt content that the Jews were getting a

0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:16.600
<v Speaker 2>fair deal, but he was also dazzled by the seeming

0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:19.920
<v Speaker 2>prosperity in order of the new Germany. America could learn

0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:22.040
<v Speaker 2>much from Germany, he was to say in a speech

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen months later. She is efficient and hard working and

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<v Speaker 2>has spirit.

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<v Speaker 3>God. That so easy for this fool to be like,

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<v Speaker 3>just well, I'm convinced.

0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, that's all I needed to say.

0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:38.520
<v Speaker 3>They said the words that I came here desperately wanting

0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:40.879
<v Speaker 3>to hear, so that we could continue with the Olympics.

0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:42.520
<v Speaker 2>They told me what I wanted to hear, and I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't ask another question.

0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:45.080
<v Speaker 3>God.

0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:49.800
<v Speaker 2>So, like most prominent people after Avery died, people had

0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:53.080
<v Speaker 2>papers back then, right, and his papers get donated to

0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:55.320
<v Speaker 2>a museum, And as a result, we have the notes

0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:57.560
<v Speaker 2>that he took while writing out because when he gets

0:26:57.600 --> 0:26:59.439
<v Speaker 2>back to the US, he gives a speech about his

0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:02.600
<v Speaker 2>trip to Remony right to the American Olympic Committee, and

0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:05.560
<v Speaker 2>the notes that he had while writing that speech include

0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:08.679
<v Speaker 2>three bullet points that he took during his meeting with Hitler.

0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:11.640
<v Speaker 2>So while Brundage is like sitting down meeting Hitler, these

0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:17.200
<v Speaker 2>are his notes. One a God, two giving back self respect,

0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:19.040
<v Speaker 2>three a man of the people.

0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:28.920
<v Speaker 3>His first bullet point is a god. Yes, oh my God.

0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:33.359
<v Speaker 3>Bulletvoind four dreamy eyes.

0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:37.080
<v Speaker 2>That is, we're gonna like that some of because other

0:27:37.080 --> 0:27:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Olympic officials go and meet with Hitler, some of them

0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:42.360
<v Speaker 2>are literally like man. But you know what the photographers

0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:45.399
<v Speaker 2>never get across is how good this guy looks? Uh?

0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 3>Why did you uh draw a picture of Hitler naked?

0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 3>In the margins of the few notes here.

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<v Speaker 2>Avery, this speech is just a drawing that you label

0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:58.920
<v Speaker 2>as what I assume Hitler's penis looks like, are you

0:27:59.040 --> 0:27:59.719
<v Speaker 2>doing okay?

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:02.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? So did it go well?

0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:05.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it is. We do get like, it's

0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:07.840
<v Speaker 2>funny that the pubic hair is shaved like the mustache.

0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:09.560
<v Speaker 2>We get it, we get the bit, but it lost

0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:12.159
<v Speaker 2>out a speech. Really, it's a lot of detail on

0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:17.560
<v Speaker 2>the vein here. Yeah. So it becomes clear at this

0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:20.640
<v Speaker 2>point that Avery Brundage was not just an Olympics obsessive

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:22.879
<v Speaker 2>who got tricked by the Nazis or even cave to

0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:25.399
<v Speaker 2>them because he wanted a job. He was himself a

0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:29.680
<v Speaker 2>howling fascist, right, and so once he returned he gives

0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:31.840
<v Speaker 2>this big speech to the American Olympic Committee, and in

0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 2>it he complains that before Hitler, Germany had suffered from debt,

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:42.560
<v Speaker 2>undernourished youth, feverish gayety, and night life until the hardest

0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:45.760
<v Speaker 2>young men, by which he did not mean to imply gaiety,

0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:48.480
<v Speaker 2>but rather the brown Shirts rose up to fight back

0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:53.480
<v Speaker 2>of Hitler's things are just too gay here, it was too.

0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:54.160
<v Speaker 3>Gay in Berlin.

0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:57.400
<v Speaker 2>Yes, stop it with violence, that is what he's literally saying.

0:28:57.440 --> 0:28:59.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean that that was a very popular conservative talking

0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:03.400
<v Speaker 2>point of the day and today of the Hitler's thugs

0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:07.320
<v Speaker 2>who were then murdering gay people, communist activists Jews in

0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:10.880
<v Speaker 2>the street. Avery wrote that they were quote apparently doing

0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:11.760
<v Speaker 2>useful work.

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:12.320
<v Speaker 3>I love that.

0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:14.800
<v Speaker 2>He's like, look, maybe I'm wrong, but like it seems good,

0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:15.680
<v Speaker 2>it seems fine.

0:29:16.040 --> 0:29:19.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a dirty job, but someone literally has to do it.

0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And he's like, you know, obviously the Jews should

0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:24.480
<v Speaker 2>be able to compete, but you know, they're leaders in communism,

0:29:24.600 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 2>so it's it's understandable that the Germans would need to

0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:27.960
<v Speaker 2>get a handle.

0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 3>On him, right, that's right.

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:32.120
<v Speaker 2>Avery also noted that the Germans had promised that no

0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:35.320
<v Speaker 2>Jews would be prohibited from competing in any way, so

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:37.320
<v Speaker 2>there really was no need for a boycott.

0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:38.160
<v Speaker 3>Quote.

0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 2>I was given positive assurance in writing that there will

0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:44.320
<v Speaker 2>be no discrimination against Jews. You can't ask for more

0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:46.640
<v Speaker 2>than that, and I think the guarantee will be fulfilled.

0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:51.200
<v Speaker 3>Wait, he wrote down, you can't ask, you can't ask

0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:51.960
<v Speaker 3>more than that.

0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:55.840
<v Speaker 2>That's Fuddy Hitler said they weren't going to do anything bad.

0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:59.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, are you telling me you can't be trusted? Yeah,

0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:01.680
<v Speaker 3>he wrote it down on a piece of paper. I mean,

0:30:01.720 --> 0:30:04.400
<v Speaker 3>who the fuck would go against something they wrote on paper,

0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:05.520
<v Speaker 3>bro It.

0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:08.680
<v Speaker 2>Is like, well, not in Avery's defense, but it's wild.

0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:12.360
<v Speaker 2>But basically every man who is of his socioeconomic level

0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:15.200
<v Speaker 2>anywhere in power in the West during this period is

0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:17.280
<v Speaker 2>doing the same thing. It's been like, well, Hitler said

0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:21.440
<v Speaker 2>he's not a bad guy. Who are we to argue? Oh?

0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:24.480
<v Speaker 3>Man, it is. It really does go to show that,

0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:30.120
<v Speaker 3>like people really are willing to believe whatever someone in

0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 3>a nice suit tells them and is written down on

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:34.840
<v Speaker 3>some nice glossy paper like you know.

0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:37.640
<v Speaker 2>I think the key corollary to that is if that

0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:40.920
<v Speaker 2>makes their lives easier, right Right. Avery's life is made

0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:43.840
<v Speaker 2>hard by challenging Hitler, so he won't challenge Hitler, so

0:30:43.880 --> 0:30:47.880
<v Speaker 2>he needs to believe that Hitler's dope, right yeah.

0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:49.360
<v Speaker 3>But so is everyone else. So does everyone else who's

0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:53.320
<v Speaker 3>believing him. You know, there's like enough people out there

0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:57.600
<v Speaker 3>who are just there. They want to believe that everything's

0:30:57.640 --> 0:30:59.800
<v Speaker 3>going to be okay for whatever reason, whether it's because

0:30:59.800 --> 0:31:00.760
<v Speaker 3>they to compete.

0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 2>In the electoral human desire, right.

0:31:03.120 --> 0:31:06.120
<v Speaker 3>But it's like just this general idea of like, you know,

0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:10.440
<v Speaker 3>the problem is that, uh, these oppressed people complain too much.

0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:13.880
<v Speaker 3>Is kind of the through line with all these these people.

0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:16.560
<v Speaker 2>Look, yeah, these people are getting invaded or whatever. But

0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:19.760
<v Speaker 2>like if we stand up to fucking Russia, to the

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:22.560
<v Speaker 2>United States, to whoever's doing the invasion in this situation,

0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 2>that makes my life hard. So I'm just not got it.

0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:28.440
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, there's just no incentive for me to not

0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:30.120
<v Speaker 3>believe this blatant line.

0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:33.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like George W. Bush seems problematic, but like at

0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, like I got I got,

0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:39.240
<v Speaker 2>I got a mortgage, you know, yeah, Like, uh yeah,

0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:44.760
<v Speaker 2>it's it's great anyway. That's how humans, apparently are. The

0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:48.080
<v Speaker 2>crux of his argument in favor of Germany actually rested

0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:50.840
<v Speaker 2>on a quite cunning stance, which is that he had

0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:53.560
<v Speaker 2>succeeded in getting the Nazis to promise to let Jews

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:57.720
<v Speaker 2>participate in the games. This, he told the American Olympic Committee,

0:31:57.760 --> 0:31:59.960
<v Speaker 2>was all the Olympics could do since they were funded

0:32:00.280 --> 0:32:04.120
<v Speaker 2>in a political organization. Every person deserved the chance to compete,

0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:07.320
<v Speaker 2>and the Olympics had a responsibility to ensure that, but

0:32:07.320 --> 0:32:09.240
<v Speaker 2>it would not be reasonable for the event to take

0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:13.400
<v Speaker 2>any stance on Germany's internal political system. This argument works,

0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:16.480
<v Speaker 2>and you can see again how that's a comforting argument

0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:16.920
<v Speaker 2>to make.

0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:20.560
<v Speaker 3>Right. We simply can't care about much beyond this. Right now.

0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:23.280
<v Speaker 3>We're a political we have to be a political.

0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the AOC has another vote and they reversed their position.

0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:29.480
<v Speaker 2>Balleyla Tour gives Brundage a pat on the back and

0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:31.880
<v Speaker 2>assured him that the job was his. But their problems

0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:35.400
<v Speaker 2>persisted because after the AOC's vote came a steady drumbeat

0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:38.120
<v Speaker 2>of stories of Jews being murdered or beaten and forced

0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:41.480
<v Speaker 2>from public life. Many people wondered if Avery might be

0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:44.560
<v Speaker 2>full of shit. One of them was his successor at

0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:47.880
<v Speaker 2>the Amateur Athletic Association, which Brundage had controlled as president

0:32:47.920 --> 0:32:51.160
<v Speaker 2>into leaving that year to run the AOC. This guy

0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:55.120
<v Speaker 2>was a judge, Jeremiah Mahoney, and he publicly accused Brundage

0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:57.719
<v Speaker 2>of having been wined and dined by Hitler and claimed

0:32:57.720 --> 0:33:00.640
<v Speaker 2>that behind the scenes, he'd sought to intimidate anyone who

0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:05.440
<v Speaker 2>didn't trust the Nazis. And Mahoney is a pretty cool

0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:07.400
<v Speaker 2>guy in this, although he is also going to wind

0:33:07.480 --> 0:33:09.760
<v Speaker 2>up in a really awkward situation. But for the next year,

0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Mahoney's going to be one of the leading figures in

0:33:12.200 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 2>the effort to force a US boycott of the Olympics.

0:33:14.920 --> 0:33:17.640
<v Speaker 2>A vote is set for December nineteen thirty five, and

0:33:17.680 --> 0:33:20.720
<v Speaker 2>that August, twenty thousand people show up for an anti

0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:24.320
<v Speaker 2>fascist rally at Madison Square Garden. That same month, August

0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:27.080
<v Speaker 2>of thirty five, the IOC tried to deflect criticism by

0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 2>sending another delegation to Berlin. So they're like, well, sending

0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:32.680
<v Speaker 2>Brundage didn't work because they're just like, well, he seems

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:34.800
<v Speaker 2>to really like Hitler, So what sending.

0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:38.320
<v Speaker 3>You like swast on all of the official notepaper here.

0:33:38.800 --> 0:33:41.200
<v Speaker 2>He's growing a mustache and I don't like where it's going.

0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:44.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, people aren't starting to believe you may not be,

0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:47.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, an impartial third party observer here.

0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:49.600
<v Speaker 2>So in order to deal with the fact that people

0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:52.080
<v Speaker 2>didn't trust Brundage, they decide to send a guy who's

0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:57.280
<v Speaker 2>even more of a Nazi general Charles Cheryl now Cheryl Chucky.

0:33:57.440 --> 0:33:59.600
<v Speaker 2>Chucky s is one of the three Americans on the

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<v Speaker 2>iOS Bored and he has the distinction of maybe being

0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:06.600
<v Speaker 2>the shittiest person in an organization that hired entirely based

0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:09.680
<v Speaker 2>on how much you sucked. In Berlin nineteen thirty six,

0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:12.359
<v Speaker 2>all of her Hilms writes of him quote, his main

0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:16.440
<v Speaker 2>qualification for this task was something completely different, a conspicuous

0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:20.320
<v Speaker 2>personal fascination with Adolf Hitler. As long ago as June

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:23.200
<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty three, in a letter to The New York Times,

0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:26.120
<v Speaker 2>Cheryl had praised the newly elected German Chancellor as the

0:34:26.160 --> 0:34:29.160
<v Speaker 2>strongest man in Europe. On twenty fourth of August nineteen

0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:31.480
<v Speaker 2>thirty five, when Cheryl was received by Hitler for an

0:34:31.480 --> 0:34:34.560
<v Speaker 2>hour long conversation, it was a dream come true. The

0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:37.200
<v Speaker 2>retired army general seemed to feel as if he'd been

0:34:37.239 --> 0:34:40.200
<v Speaker 2>called to something higher. Perhaps he saw himself as the

0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:42.960
<v Speaker 2>new US ambassador in Berlin. In any case, he wrote

0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:44.799
<v Speaker 2>up a report on his meeting with Hitler and sent

0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:47.880
<v Speaker 2>it to none other than Franklin D. Roosevelt. Cheryl raved

0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:51.640
<v Speaker 2>about Hitler's personal modesty, his impressive physical condition, that his

0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:54.720
<v Speaker 2>upstanding character.

0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:57.880
<v Speaker 3>The bullet points on that one. Yeah, God, I was

0:34:57.920 --> 0:35:00.319
<v Speaker 3>just like some guy, just send me Hitler smile. So

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:03.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't know he drew as pregnant for some reason.

0:35:03.640 --> 0:35:05.879
<v Speaker 3>Not really sure what to do with this. I think

0:35:05.920 --> 0:35:07.719
<v Speaker 3>this is just fan fiction at this point.

0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and thus was created deviant art. I'm gonna continue

0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:16.000
<v Speaker 2>that quote from Helms please, and his conversation with Cheryl,

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:19.600
<v Speaker 2>Hitler made no concessions. Jews were not being discriminated against,

0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:22.239
<v Speaker 2>he lied, They were merely being treated as separate from

0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:24.680
<v Speaker 2>the German people and thus could not be members of

0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:28.000
<v Speaker 2>the German Olympic team. Cheryl pressed the Furwer on the issue.

0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:30.040
<v Speaker 2>He was Germany's friend, he said, and wanted only the

0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:32.440
<v Speaker 2>best for the country. But if the fewer insisted on

0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:35.480
<v Speaker 2>this position, the IOC would take the games away from Berlin.

0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:38.399
<v Speaker 2>Hitler snarled that in that case, the Third Reich would

0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:40.400
<v Speaker 2>stage a purely German Olympic Games.

0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:44.080
<v Speaker 3>Now, yeah, we'll start our own Germany with Hooker's blackjack.

0:35:44.560 --> 0:35:47.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was lying about this. In the early days

0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:49.319
<v Speaker 2>of the Third Reich, his hold on power was not

0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:53.520
<v Speaker 2>yet total, the army still represented potential resistance, and Germany

0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:57.000
<v Speaker 2>was still pretty weak militarily and economically compared to its neighbors.

0:35:57.480 --> 0:35:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Hitler could not afford to put on a German Games.

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Would have had a fraction of the grandeur of the

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:04.759
<v Speaker 2>Olympic Games, and the gesture would have made Germany look

0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:07.160
<v Speaker 2>like even more of a pariah state than it actually was.

0:36:07.880 --> 0:36:11.279
<v Speaker 2>The nineteen thirty six Olympics were more than anything, Germany's

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:14.560
<v Speaker 2>attempt to show themselves as turning back towards the rest

0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:16.880
<v Speaker 2>of the world. For all of his talk of awetarchy

0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:20.800
<v Speaker 2>of independence for Germany, this mattered to Hitler. He wanted

0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Germany to take I mean the phrase he would use

0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:25.200
<v Speaker 2>a lot was Germanys to take its place in the sun. Right,

0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:27.919
<v Speaker 2>you can't do that if you're like holding your own

0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:32.080
<v Speaker 2>sad loaner Olympics for people nobody likes. We're calling it

0:36:32.080 --> 0:36:33.400
<v Speaker 2>the no Jews Olympics.

0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:35.680
<v Speaker 3>It's going to be here in Germany and we're just

0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:37.600
<v Speaker 3>mostly going to run next to each other and talk

0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:39.480
<v Speaker 3>about how much he fucking hates the Jews.

0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was basically the ideal. But it matters a

0:36:43.880 --> 0:36:46.399
<v Speaker 2>lot to Hitler that Americans in particular will be at

0:36:46.440 --> 0:36:49.680
<v Speaker 2>his games, so he does actually listen when Cheryl makes

0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:53.080
<v Speaker 2>an offer, And Cheryl's offer is, look, man, I'm not

0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:56.040
<v Speaker 2>asking you to actually treat Jewish people better. If you

0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:59.040
<v Speaker 2>just have the Jewish sports federations nominate a couple of

0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:02.040
<v Speaker 2>athletes take them on, ask that the phrase Cheryl uses

0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:03.920
<v Speaker 2>his token Jews for the German.

0:37:04.719 --> 0:37:10.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's good. Breaking racism here. Yeah. Yeah, they're just

0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:14.160
<v Speaker 3>they're just saying it out loud, which is nice. Yeah. Yeah.

0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:16.279
<v Speaker 2>Not only does Hitler agree to the idea, but he

0:37:16.320 --> 0:37:19.840
<v Speaker 2>invites Cheryl to attend a special event that year, a

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:21.960
<v Speaker 2>rally in Nuremberg, you know.

0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:25.000
<v Speaker 3>The one that heard of it.

0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:29.400
<v Speaker 2>Immediately after that rally, the Nuremberg Laws, which officially codified

0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:32.560
<v Speaker 2>the elimination of Jewish rights in Germany, were announced. Cheryl

0:37:32.640 --> 0:37:35.840
<v Speaker 2>returned home pretending this had not happened, and, like Brundage,

0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:38.440
<v Speaker 2>raved about the wondrous things the Nazis were doing in

0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Germany and promised that they would totally let a Jew

0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:45.000
<v Speaker 2>play on their team. So everything's good, everything's cool. There's

0:37:45.040 --> 0:37:46.720
<v Speaker 2>going to be a couple of token Jews.

0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:49.440
<v Speaker 3>We got this, don't worry. Please let it go forward.

0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:52.680
<v Speaker 2>And the Nazis do pick a couple of Jewish people.

0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:57.400
<v Speaker 2>One of them is Helena Meyer. Meyer is a prodigy fencer.

0:37:57.480 --> 0:38:01.000
<v Speaker 2>She's very good at fencing, and she is currently because

0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:03.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, she's living through this whole period. She sees

0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:06.320
<v Speaker 2>what's happening in Germany, and so she goes to college

0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:08.759
<v Speaker 2>in California. She goes to a small college in California.

0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:10.200
<v Speaker 2>Good call given the time.

0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:11.759
<v Speaker 3>Yep, And it's one of those things.

0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:15.040
<v Speaker 2>She actually didn't consider herself Jewish. She's raised Catholic, but

0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:18.279
<v Speaker 2>her dad, I think, is Jewish. Right, So the Nazis

0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:21.080
<v Speaker 2>do consider her that. But Helena also has this kind

0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:22.880
<v Speaker 2>of it's going to prove to be a delusional belief

0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:25.360
<v Speaker 2>that like, well, if I can just convince them I

0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:28.560
<v Speaker 2>consider myself a Christian, they'll be fine with me.

0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:32.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, yeah, yeah, no, for sure, that's not how

0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:34.960
<v Speaker 3>it works. Yeah no, it definitely works that way. It's

0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:37.000
<v Speaker 3>just like no, no, no, no, no, I'm not like a

0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:39.319
<v Speaker 3>jujuw right. Right.

0:38:40.560 --> 0:38:43.759
<v Speaker 2>She gets publicly invited to the Olympics, and there's some

0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:46.279
<v Speaker 2>back and forth. She publicly declines at a point, but

0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:49.239
<v Speaker 2>basically her line is I want my citizenship restored, and

0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:52.640
<v Speaker 2>they restore her in her family citizenship right. And Helena's

0:38:52.640 --> 0:38:55.480
<v Speaker 2>line again is basically that like, well, I'm half Jewish

0:38:55.560 --> 0:38:57.960
<v Speaker 2>and not observant, so I shouldn't be persecuted. The Nazis

0:38:58.000 --> 0:38:59.920
<v Speaker 2>again don't really agree to this, but they pretend to

0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Another German Jewish athlete they're going to pick out is

0:39:03.040 --> 0:39:07.240
<v Speaker 2>Gretel Bergmann. Bergmann had immigrated to the United Kingdom for college.

0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:10.880
<v Speaker 2>She was an exceptionally talented runner and long jump competitor.

0:39:10.920 --> 0:39:13.440
<v Speaker 2>She was so good at this that her college in

0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:16.120
<v Speaker 2>the UK gives her a handicap when she is competing

0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:19.200
<v Speaker 2>at local events, and she still wins all of them.

0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:19.800
<v Speaker 3>Damn.

0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:24.040
<v Speaker 2>She's just very good at this. Since Jewish athletes had

0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:26.440
<v Speaker 2>been banned from public competition at home, she decides to

0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:28.279
<v Speaker 2>try out for the British team, and she's like, look,

0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:32.720
<v Speaker 2>I'll play for Britain and I'll beat my own former country,

0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:36.200
<v Speaker 2>and that'll be kind of nice as a Jewish exile, right,

0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:40.560
<v Speaker 2>Like sounds satisfying, right, And she's particularly excited because when

0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:43.759
<v Speaker 2>she has her big qualifying competition and does in fact

0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:47.319
<v Speaker 2>qualify for the UK Olympic team, her father is there.

0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:48.120
<v Speaker 3>He manages to.

0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:51.239
<v Speaker 2>Secure approval to visit England on business, but after the

0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:53.560
<v Speaker 2>competition he's like, hey, I'm only actually able to be

0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:56.560
<v Speaker 2>here because the Nazis want to get you to compete

0:39:56.600 --> 0:39:59.520
<v Speaker 2>for Germany, and his presence thus is kind of a

0:39:59.560 --> 0:40:01.600
<v Speaker 2>threat for the Germans. They're like, well, we can either

0:40:01.719 --> 0:40:04.720
<v Speaker 2>send your father to you or we can take them away.

0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:07.600
<v Speaker 2>Whose team do you want to be on, you know,

0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:10.960
<v Speaker 2>and you know again, that's why I'm not gonna got

0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:14.040
<v Speaker 2>no judgment for Gretel here in deciding to, you know,

0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:17.640
<v Speaker 2>try out for the German Olympic team, because Brundage and

0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Ballet Latour didn't actually care about the welfare of German Jews,

0:40:20.960 --> 0:40:23.680
<v Speaker 2>just that they could show Jewish participation in German Olympic

0:40:23.719 --> 0:40:27.200
<v Speaker 2>teams to satisfy the boycotters. No real effort was made

0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:30.360
<v Speaker 2>to ensure that stuff like this was like real offers,

0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:33.040
<v Speaker 2>and as a result, the primary thing that the American

0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:37.160
<v Speaker 2>Olympic Committee succeeds in doing is in bringing more violence

0:40:37.160 --> 0:40:39.600
<v Speaker 2>and danger into the lives of German Jewish athletes, because

0:40:39.680 --> 0:40:42.120
<v Speaker 2>all they care about is the look right. They don't

0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:44.799
<v Speaker 2>actually care that conditions have changed, just that they can

0:40:44.920 --> 0:40:48.280
<v Speaker 2>argue they have. If Brundage had been at all aware

0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:50.640
<v Speaker 2>or concerned by this, he showed no sign of it.

0:40:50.680 --> 0:40:53.080
<v Speaker 2>In late nineteen thirty five, his only real worry was

0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:56.759
<v Speaker 2>that Jewish American sporting associations were continuing to advocate for

0:40:56.840 --> 0:41:00.040
<v Speaker 2>a boycott of the Berlin Olympics. Brundage declared this a

0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:03.800
<v Speaker 2>Jewish communist conspiracy, using language he may well have taken

0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:06.000
<v Speaker 2>back from his nineteen thirty four trip to see the Reich.

0:41:06.600 --> 0:41:10.479
<v Speaker 2>Judge Jeremiah Mahoney, president of the Amateur Athletic Association, which

0:41:10.560 --> 0:41:13.880
<v Speaker 2>organized the US Olympic trials, continued to attack him as

0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 2>a Nazi stooge, alongside US socialist groups and even a

0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:20.320
<v Speaker 2>number of conservative politicians. And I'll give some some credit

0:41:20.320 --> 0:41:23.640
<v Speaker 2>to New York Mayor Fiarella LaGuardia there, who was like, nah, man,

0:41:23.680 --> 0:41:25.880
<v Speaker 2>we shouldn't do this, we shouldn't go do an Olympics

0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:30.720
<v Speaker 2>over there. That congratulations LaGuardia, you earned your airport.

0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:33.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I was gonna say, only good guy that's ever

0:41:33.480 --> 0:41:37.160
<v Speaker 3>been had an airport named after them, So I don't

0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:40.360
<v Speaker 3>know the rest of them. Dullest definitely, definitely not a

0:41:40.400 --> 0:41:43.399
<v Speaker 3>good guy. Oh boy, bad airport guy.

0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:46.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Dulles and Reagan airports are like the warring war

0:41:46.440 --> 0:41:50.279
<v Speaker 2>crimes airports up there, and then a little north you

0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:51.759
<v Speaker 2>got LaGuardia, So there you go.

0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:53.880
<v Speaker 3>Hey. Yeah.

0:41:53.920 --> 0:41:56.239
<v Speaker 2>The anti boycott side of things, though, is also this

0:41:56.360 --> 0:41:58.719
<v Speaker 2>is part of the complex history here, a lot more

0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:00.879
<v Speaker 2>diverse than you might initially get, yes, because a big

0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:02.719
<v Speaker 2>part of it is a number of black athletes who

0:42:02.760 --> 0:42:05.919
<v Speaker 2>have a really good point. In October of nineteen thirty five,

0:42:06.000 --> 0:42:09.240
<v Speaker 2>Mahoney tells a crowd at Columbia University that he wished

0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:12.360
<v Speaker 2>to God quote the Nazis could witness an athletic competition

0:42:12.440 --> 0:42:15.640
<v Speaker 2>in this country. The next guy up after him is

0:42:15.680 --> 0:42:20.760
<v Speaker 2>Ben Johnson, a black American Olympics sprinter, And when Mahoney

0:42:20.760 --> 0:42:22.719
<v Speaker 2>says this, Johnson gets kind of pissed, and he comes

0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:25.279
<v Speaker 2>up and he says, I think Justice Mahoney should clean

0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:27.640
<v Speaker 2>up the South where negroes are barred from his amateur

0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:30.799
<v Speaker 2>athletic union and discriminated against an Olympic selections.

0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:32.840
<v Speaker 3>And it's like, it's.

0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:35.080
<v Speaker 2>A fair point. He probably shouldn't have said. The Nazis

0:42:35.080 --> 0:42:36.560
<v Speaker 2>should see how we do sports here.

0:42:36.880 --> 0:42:40.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, here's how we do sports here, Mahoney. Maybe you

0:42:40.160 --> 0:42:41.759
<v Speaker 3>should see how we do sports here.

0:42:41.840 --> 0:42:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. H Now, Jesse Owens, who I think people still

0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:50.120
<v Speaker 2>broadly know know of, was going out here. I mean,

0:42:50.120 --> 0:42:52.520
<v Speaker 2>he's in the thirty six Olympics. He's gonna win like

0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:55.879
<v Speaker 2>fucking everything, the fastest man alive, right, But he goes

0:42:55.960 --> 0:42:58.000
<v Speaker 2>back and forth on whether or not to boycott the

0:42:58.000 --> 0:43:01.400
<v Speaker 2>Olympics beforehand. In thirty five, during a November of nineteen

0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:03.880
<v Speaker 2>thirty five radio interview, he stated his opinion that the

0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:07.879
<v Speaker 2>US should withdraw if Germany continued to discriminate against minorities,

0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:10.319
<v Speaker 2>as he put it, but his coach talked to him

0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:12.600
<v Speaker 2>out of it by using the same logic Ben Johnson

0:43:12.600 --> 0:43:15.000
<v Speaker 2>had used, why would you oppose Germany for doing the

0:43:15.040 --> 0:43:17.200
<v Speaker 2>same shit your fellow citizens due to you?

0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:17.960
<v Speaker 3>Right?

0:43:19.440 --> 0:43:24.440
<v Speaker 2>And the NAACP head Walter White no relation writes a

0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:27.960
<v Speaker 2>letter he's he considers making like a big open statement

0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:32.040
<v Speaker 2>of basically the NAACP supports a boycott. He never actually

0:43:32.120 --> 0:43:35.040
<v Speaker 2>does that, but he does write a letter to Owens

0:43:35.680 --> 0:43:39.640
<v Speaker 2>where he's like, you should you consider boycotting basically even

0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:42.640
<v Speaker 2>so you know, they never kind of tip into doing it,

0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:46.200
<v Speaker 2>and Owens obviously does not ultimately boycott the Olympics, but

0:43:46.280 --> 0:43:48.759
<v Speaker 2>the amount of popular support for a boycott in late

0:43:48.840 --> 0:43:52.239
<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty five terrifies Brondage, who feels his chances of

0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:55.560
<v Speaker 2>being appointed to the IOC committee slipping away. In late

0:43:55.640 --> 0:43:58.839
<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty five, he was a constant voice for US participation,

0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:02.440
<v Speaker 2>telling anyone who had and revolutionaries are not bred on

0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:03.400
<v Speaker 2>the playing field.

0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:08.080
<v Speaker 3>See this is this is how you He just becomes

0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:11.600
<v Speaker 3>more anti Semitic. As this goes along, I'm sure because

0:44:11.640 --> 0:44:14.279
<v Speaker 3>he's just like these fucking Jews. They don't believe it.

0:44:14.320 --> 0:44:18.040
<v Speaker 3>When I brought the piece of paper, I brought the paper.

0:44:18.640 --> 0:44:21.560
<v Speaker 2>Why don't they understand that Hitler says he's not gonna

0:44:21.640 --> 0:44:22.000
<v Speaker 2>hurt them.

0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:26.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Hitler is cool, he dressed his good he's godlike,

0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:29.440
<v Speaker 3>and he is a strong dick vein. I've drawn it

0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:34.279
<v Speaker 3>right here in the margins of my notes. Jews don't

0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:35.200
<v Speaker 3>believe a word of it.

0:44:36.000 --> 0:44:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Speaking of dick veins, do you know what it'll make

0:44:37.960 --> 0:44:39.399
<v Speaker 2>your dick vein pop.

0:44:39.560 --> 0:44:42.160
<v Speaker 3>Ooh, a lot of things, But what do you have

0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:47.160
<v Speaker 3>in particular times? Possibly the sponsors of this podcast. I

0:44:47.280 --> 0:44:51.480
<v Speaker 3>love it. Pop my dick vein with your hymns. I

0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:54.160
<v Speaker 3>don't know if it's hymns. I think it's we've had hymns.

0:44:54.160 --> 0:45:04.360
<v Speaker 2>I think anyway, we're back. So Brundage was willing to

0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:07.360
<v Speaker 2>acknowledge in private his belief that quote the Hitler rites

0:45:07.400 --> 0:45:09.479
<v Speaker 2>did not intend to live up to the pledges given

0:45:09.520 --> 0:45:12.840
<v Speaker 2>to the IOC, but his overwhelming public sentiment was that

0:45:12.880 --> 0:45:15.440
<v Speaker 2>those mean old Jews were trying to ruin everyone else's

0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:21.400
<v Speaker 2>good time. Surprise Price surprise, as he told the secretary

0:45:21.480 --> 0:45:24.080
<v Speaker 2>of the British Olympic Association, my own view is that

0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:26.880
<v Speaker 2>we are pandering too much to the Jews. In an

0:45:27.000 --> 0:45:30.359
<v Speaker 2>article for the Journal of American Studies, Carolyn Marvin summarizes

0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:33.879
<v Speaker 2>his growing anti Semitic paranoia. The Jews were complaining too much,

0:45:33.920 --> 0:45:37.560
<v Speaker 2>first according to a peculiarly circular IOC standard of evidence

0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:40.200
<v Speaker 2>as to whether their complaints had substance, and second because

0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:44.360
<v Speaker 2>they were like that. Brundage regularly observed in his correspondence

0:45:44.400 --> 0:45:47.000
<v Speaker 2>with other sports officials that the Jews have been clever

0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:50.239
<v Speaker 2>enough to realize the publicity value of sports. He was

0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:53.680
<v Speaker 2>informed by j. Siegfried Enstrom, president of the International Amateur

0:45:53.719 --> 0:45:57.080
<v Speaker 2>Athletic Federation, that the main reason of the Aryan movement

0:45:57.120 --> 0:45:59.640
<v Speaker 2>in Germany was that the Jews have taken too prominent

0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:02.319
<v Speaker 2>a posis in certain branches of life, and happen, as

0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:05.160
<v Speaker 2>the Jews very often do when they get in the majority,

0:46:05.480 --> 0:46:07.560
<v Speaker 2>misuse their positions.

0:46:07.600 --> 0:46:10.560
<v Speaker 3>Oh god, it's the second point of you know, the

0:46:10.640 --> 0:46:14.880
<v Speaker 3>Jews are like that, you know how they be, you

0:46:14.960 --> 0:46:15.680
<v Speaker 3>know how they are are?

0:46:15.800 --> 0:46:18.520
<v Speaker 2>Right, She's interesting that that not language has still been

0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:19.040
<v Speaker 2>going around.

0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:23.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, and also just like a side note

0:46:23.160 --> 0:46:26.320
<v Speaker 3>to this whole thing is that it just this whole

0:46:26.360 --> 0:46:29.439
<v Speaker 3>thing kind of reminds me, and maybe not even that

0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:32.640
<v Speaker 3>much of a circuitous way, but like of the way

0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:35.799
<v Speaker 3>that the trans athlete debate kind of like god, yes,

0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:39.440
<v Speaker 3>it through everything, just this like this way of using

0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:45.319
<v Speaker 3>sport and sportsmanship and kind of like the you know,

0:46:45.680 --> 0:46:49.000
<v Speaker 3>oh there they're always they're overrepresented, and they're everywhere, and

0:46:49.040 --> 0:46:51.439
<v Speaker 3>they complain all the time. It's like the exact same

0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:55.520
<v Speaker 3>type of shit, and and it's used to uh, you know,

0:46:56.000 --> 0:46:59.040
<v Speaker 3>it's I don't know, it's the beginning of what is

0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:04.760
<v Speaker 3>an event, will you know, movement to try to hurt

0:47:05.320 --> 0:47:05.799
<v Speaker 3>this sh.

0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Trying to force them out of public life, yes, which

0:47:08.040 --> 0:47:12.560
<v Speaker 2>is a prelude to worse things exactly. It's interesting too

0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:14.400
<v Speaker 2>that you bring that up. I think we're gonna have

0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:16.919
<v Speaker 2>to do another episode because there's so much. There's still

0:47:16.920 --> 0:47:18.919
<v Speaker 2>more on Brundage than I've wrote, but there's also there's

0:47:18.920 --> 0:47:21.080
<v Speaker 2>so much about the thirty six Olympics, and one of

0:47:21.080 --> 0:47:24.759
<v Speaker 2>them is they have a trans panic, like that they

0:47:24.760 --> 0:47:28.160
<v Speaker 2>have a panic over what they think are They don't

0:47:28.200 --> 0:47:30.440
<v Speaker 2>use the term transgender. This of course, I don't really

0:47:30.480 --> 0:47:32.520
<v Speaker 2>think anyone did, but they have, they have what is

0:47:32.560 --> 0:47:35.880
<v Speaker 2>a panic over that, and like every time that happens,

0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:38.680
<v Speaker 2>what actually happens is a bunch of a bunch of

0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:41.080
<v Speaker 2>people who are a site we're assigned female at birth

0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:46.640
<v Speaker 2>and who identified as female were just baselessly attacked because

0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:50.840
<v Speaker 2>they didn't look feminine enough to some rando in the audience. Yeah,

0:47:50.920 --> 0:47:53.319
<v Speaker 2>like it's it's all the same shit, Like it's the

0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:57.440
<v Speaker 2>same like going over that like panic that those athletes

0:47:57.480 --> 0:47:59.080
<v Speaker 2>went through, and like one of them at least is

0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:01.840
<v Speaker 2>a Nazi, so it is harder to be simplified.

0:48:03.320 --> 0:48:05.759
<v Speaker 3>But like that doesn't make that right, you know.

0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it is like it's always the same thing.

0:48:09.040 --> 0:48:12.640
<v Speaker 2>There's only one playbook. It just always works pretty well.

0:48:13.120 --> 0:48:14.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I think it's because of the way in

0:48:14.880 --> 0:48:18.959
<v Speaker 3>which people kind of idealize and almost idealized sports and

0:48:19.040 --> 0:48:22.120
<v Speaker 3>make them uh you know, fake themselves out into thinking

0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:26.520
<v Speaker 3>they're in a political expression of like fair competition or whatever,

0:48:26.560 --> 0:48:29.680
<v Speaker 3>and so they you know, this is the exact same

0:48:29.719 --> 0:48:31.360
<v Speaker 3>thing where you just kind of go like you're messing

0:48:31.440 --> 0:48:35.920
<v Speaker 3>with the uh my idealized version of of of what

0:48:36.120 --> 0:48:39.719
<v Speaker 3>sports is and what it's supposed to be and and

0:48:39.760 --> 0:48:42.120
<v Speaker 3>they you know, but really it's to mask this, like,

0:48:42.360 --> 0:48:44.160
<v Speaker 3>I mean, they would say the same things. Listen, I'm

0:48:44.160 --> 0:48:46.399
<v Speaker 3>no fan of trans people. I think we can all

0:48:46.440 --> 0:48:47.520
<v Speaker 3>agree that. Yeah.

0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:50.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, look, I'm big at it as ship, but we should.

0:48:50.719 --> 0:48:53.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, it's it's the exact same type of ship.

0:48:53.440 --> 0:48:54.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah yeah.

0:48:55.040 --> 0:48:57.759
<v Speaker 2>In private letters to other Olympic officials, Brundage went out

0:48:57.760 --> 0:49:00.000
<v Speaker 2>of his way to argue the Nazi party line claim

0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:02.640
<v Speaker 2>that most of the German Jewish athletes hadn't even been

0:49:02.680 --> 0:49:05.399
<v Speaker 2>good enough to qualify. Right, like they let a couple

0:49:05.480 --> 0:49:08.960
<v Speaker 2>of charity cases in. Right, you're still angry at the Nazis.

0:49:09.080 --> 0:49:11.640
<v Speaker 2>You know, these people would never have qualified if we

0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:15.439
<v Speaker 2>hadn't put on pressure. And that's bullshit. Gretel Bergmann had

0:49:15.440 --> 0:49:18.240
<v Speaker 2>to give up her seat on the British Olympic team

0:49:18.719 --> 0:49:21.239
<v Speaker 2>to compete for Germany, and she didn't get to compete.

0:49:21.320 --> 0:49:24.640
<v Speaker 2>She's led into a trial, and in her trial performances

0:49:24.680 --> 0:49:27.440
<v Speaker 2>to qualify for the German Olympic team, she equals the

0:49:27.520 --> 0:49:30.719
<v Speaker 2>all time German woman's high jump record. She does as

0:49:30.760 --> 0:49:33.279
<v Speaker 2>well as the best a German woman has ever done

0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:36.360
<v Speaker 2>at the high jump. In her qualifier and then after

0:49:36.400 --> 0:49:39.200
<v Speaker 2>the British team departs for Berlin and she can't go back,

0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:41.440
<v Speaker 2>she sent a letter saying, hey, actually you weren't good

0:49:41.520 --> 0:49:44.759
<v Speaker 2>enough lmao. Sorry we fucked you over here. Wow, it's

0:49:45.760 --> 0:49:47.560
<v Speaker 2>so bad for her. I mean, at least she's in

0:49:47.640 --> 0:49:52.640
<v Speaker 2>the fucking UK, right, so, but it's a real bummer, man.

0:49:53.040 --> 0:49:55.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna quote from Carolyn Marvin again. Not only did

0:49:55.920 --> 0:49:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Jews exalt there and this is her talking about Brundage,

0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:00.959
<v Speaker 2>not only did Jews exalt their own medical interests above

0:50:00.960 --> 0:50:03.600
<v Speaker 2>the independence of amateur sport. Not only did they fail

0:50:03.680 --> 0:50:06.160
<v Speaker 2>to appreciate the contribution of the Olympic movement to whatever

0:50:06.200 --> 0:50:10.520
<v Speaker 2>restraint they're at exercised. But also, Brundage argued, with increasing irritation,

0:50:10.880 --> 0:50:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Jewish protest would be counterproductive.

0:50:12.880 --> 0:50:13.600
<v Speaker 3>In the long run.

0:50:13.719 --> 0:50:16.920
<v Speaker 2>An Olympic boycott on account of the Jews would excite dangerous,

0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:20.320
<v Speaker 2>possibly uncontrollable anti Semitic sympathies in America.

0:50:20.680 --> 0:50:21.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah that's right.

0:50:21.560 --> 0:50:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but we might have to murder you guys if

0:50:24.000 --> 0:50:25.600
<v Speaker 2>you all, if you don't let us play do the

0:50:25.680 --> 0:50:27.919
<v Speaker 2>high job, you know. Yeah, that's not our fault, that's

0:50:27.920 --> 0:50:28.279
<v Speaker 2>on you.

0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:31.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Yeah, you can't blame us for one is eventually

0:50:31.760 --> 0:50:36.840
<v Speaker 3>went down. Yeah, this is like, it's just so fucking sickening,

0:50:36.960 --> 0:50:41.560
<v Speaker 3>just like the way in which people just just hearing

0:50:41.600 --> 0:50:44.280
<v Speaker 3>people complain is enough to turn anyone into a Nazi.

0:50:45.480 --> 0:50:49.080
<v Speaker 2>Yes, well, and the thing that enrages them so much

0:50:49.200 --> 0:50:54.000
<v Speaker 2>is that these complaints why they're reacting so negatively to

0:50:54.000 --> 0:50:56.839
<v Speaker 2>the complaints. It's the same way like a two year

0:50:56.880 --> 0:50:59.239
<v Speaker 2>old screams if they like grab a toy on the

0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:00.840
<v Speaker 2>shelf at the store and you take it away, as

0:51:00.880 --> 0:51:03.719
<v Speaker 2>they're afraid these mean old activists are going to take

0:51:03.719 --> 0:51:04.520
<v Speaker 2>away their toy.

0:51:04.560 --> 0:51:07.120
<v Speaker 3>They're fustrake. I was going to be in the Olympic committee.

0:51:07.400 --> 0:51:08.880
<v Speaker 3>I was going to do to hundred. What was going

0:51:08.920 --> 0:51:09.960
<v Speaker 3>to be the bu jumper.

0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:13.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, like that's that's what's going on here, right, Yeah.

0:51:13.440 --> 0:51:13.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:51:13.960 --> 0:51:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Brundage again he is kind of groundbreaking and how he

0:51:17.000 --> 0:51:19.920
<v Speaker 2>publicly justifies racism because after he goes on this like

0:51:20.160 --> 0:51:22.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, you guys better be worried if you if

0:51:22.440 --> 0:51:24.480
<v Speaker 2>you protest you loud. He's like, now, I know a

0:51:24.480 --> 0:51:28.359
<v Speaker 2>lot of smart conservative Jews and they all agree with me, right,

0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:31.960
<v Speaker 2>they all think I'm in the right, So I'm not racist, right,

0:51:32.200 --> 0:51:35.160
<v Speaker 2>the smart conservative Jews that I won't name all say

0:51:35.200 --> 0:51:35.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm right.

0:51:35.840 --> 0:51:38.520
<v Speaker 3>You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, listen, I got I got

0:51:38.520 --> 0:51:41.720
<v Speaker 3>binders full of Jews who think that, yeah, Jews complain

0:51:41.840 --> 0:51:43.800
<v Speaker 3>too much and are not good at sports.

0:51:44.440 --> 0:51:47.480
<v Speaker 2>He's also he uses the racism that's been drum up

0:51:47.480 --> 0:51:51.120
<v Speaker 2>by the boycott to try and raise money for the Olympics.

0:51:51.320 --> 0:51:53.839
<v Speaker 2>He writes a strategy letter to the AOC to his

0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:56.320
<v Speaker 2>colleagues and says, the fact that the Jews are against

0:51:56.360 --> 0:51:58.520
<v Speaker 2>us will arouse interest among thousands of people who have

0:51:58.560 --> 0:52:04.520
<v Speaker 2>never subscribed before if we approached it. And because he's

0:52:04.560 --> 0:52:07.400
<v Speaker 2>that kind of sociopath, and this is this is something

0:52:07.440 --> 0:52:10.560
<v Speaker 2>the Nazis wouldn't do, not because it's worse, but this

0:52:10.680 --> 0:52:12.239
<v Speaker 2>is just a very American.

0:52:11.760 --> 0:52:13.560
<v Speaker 3>Way of being shitty. At the same time.

0:52:13.400 --> 0:52:15.040
<v Speaker 2>As he's like, oh yeah, we can fund raised off

0:52:15.040 --> 0:52:16.960
<v Speaker 2>of this racism, he's like, you know what else we

0:52:16.960 --> 0:52:18.719
<v Speaker 2>could do. We got to tell a bunch of rich

0:52:18.800 --> 0:52:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Jews that if they donate money to like put up

0:52:20.920 --> 0:52:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Olympic ads, you know, that'll help convince the Germans to

0:52:24.840 --> 0:52:27.479
<v Speaker 2>be less mean to the Jews. You know, you can help,

0:52:27.640 --> 0:52:29.600
<v Speaker 2>you can help your fellow Jews. If you give some

0:52:29.640 --> 0:52:30.879
<v Speaker 2>money to the Olympics, ye.

0:52:30.880 --> 0:52:34.200
<v Speaker 3>Know right, and it'll help change it'll, it'll, it'll warm

0:52:34.520 --> 0:52:36.959
<v Speaker 3>you know Hitler's cold, cold heart.

0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:40.240
<v Speaker 2>That was the one thing that could have stopped Hitler

0:52:40.280 --> 0:52:43.120
<v Speaker 2>from his madness is if the Olympics had had a

0:52:43.160 --> 0:52:44.320
<v Speaker 2>bigger boat billboard.

0:52:45.840 --> 0:52:48.600
<v Speaker 3>I've been wrong this whole time. You know, maybe I

0:52:49.080 --> 0:52:51.359
<v Speaker 3>thinks this whole Jews should die thing.

0:52:52.840 --> 0:52:56.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to call back my friend and take some ecstasy.

0:53:00.840 --> 0:53:03.160
<v Speaker 2>Cut to like one of those nineties in the movie,

0:53:03.239 --> 0:53:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Montash said, Shitler Vonnarus.

0:53:08.280 --> 0:53:08.800
<v Speaker 3>Beautiful.

0:53:10.160 --> 0:53:12.719
<v Speaker 2>At the end of nineteen thirty five, as the AAU

0:53:12.840 --> 0:53:14.840
<v Speaker 2>met to take its final vote on whether or not

0:53:14.880 --> 0:53:18.000
<v Speaker 2>to boycott the games, Mahoney continued to push the AAU

0:53:18.040 --> 0:53:21.720
<v Speaker 2>to follow their collective conscience, telling gathered members the Nazi

0:53:21.719 --> 0:53:25.080
<v Speaker 2>government wants more than American participation in a sporting contest.

0:53:25.280 --> 0:53:27.799
<v Speaker 2>It wants to bring the American dollar into the very

0:53:27.840 --> 0:53:31.000
<v Speaker 2>weakened Nazi treasury. And it wants you to picture Hitler

0:53:31.000 --> 0:53:33.480
<v Speaker 2>with Uncle Sam standing behind him and saying we are

0:53:33.520 --> 0:53:36.200
<v Speaker 2>with you, Adolph. And he is right on the money there.

0:53:37.440 --> 0:53:39.560
<v Speaker 2>All of his efforts are for not. Though the AAU

0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:42.560
<v Speaker 2>delegates vote fifty eight to fifty five ish in favor

0:53:42.600 --> 0:53:46.279
<v Speaker 2>of attending the Olympics. Similar campaigns across the so called

0:53:46.320 --> 0:53:50.320
<v Speaker 2>free world also collapsed under Hitler's charm offensive. Two days

0:53:50.360 --> 0:53:52.680
<v Speaker 2>before the opening of the Games, at the thirty fifth

0:53:52.680 --> 0:53:54.759
<v Speaker 2>session of the IOC, so with the session of the

0:53:54.760 --> 0:53:57.799
<v Speaker 2>Committee right before the game start, Balley la Tour makes

0:53:57.840 --> 0:54:01.440
<v Speaker 2>good on his promises to Avery Brunded. He orchestrates a

0:54:01.480 --> 0:54:04.719
<v Speaker 2>coup against Ernst Yankee, the only member who've pronounced like

0:54:04.760 --> 0:54:06.520
<v Speaker 2>three different ways, you know, the guy, the only member

0:54:06.560 --> 0:54:08.239
<v Speaker 2>of the IOC who wasn't a piece of shit, the

0:54:08.280 --> 0:54:08.959
<v Speaker 2>one good guy.

0:54:09.080 --> 0:54:10.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:54:10.680 --> 0:54:13.640
<v Speaker 2>Yankee is expelled by a forty nine to zero vote.

0:54:13.960 --> 0:54:15.359
<v Speaker 3>J yeah.

0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:18.520
<v Speaker 2>Now General Cheryl is dead by this point. He drops

0:54:18.520 --> 0:54:22.560
<v Speaker 2>dead right after coming back with hell yeah from his Hitler.

0:54:22.640 --> 0:54:24.759
<v Speaker 2>So at least he got to That's nice, though, you know,

0:54:24.800 --> 0:54:26.720
<v Speaker 2>he died, but at least he got to see Hitler.

0:54:26.840 --> 0:54:30.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, yeah. He just probably died when he was

0:54:30.520 --> 0:54:33.920
<v Speaker 3>doing autoerotic exixiation to a picture he drew of Hitler's dick.

0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:36.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah. That was the style at the time, yep.

0:54:37.280 --> 0:54:40.120
<v Speaker 2>And so in nineteen thirty six, Brundage was present for

0:54:40.160 --> 0:54:43.080
<v Speaker 2>the opening ceremonies of the Berlin Olympics, marching at the

0:54:43.080 --> 0:54:46.480
<v Speaker 2>head of the US delegation. As you'd expect, the city

0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:50.319
<v Speaker 2>was filled with battalions of uniformed Wehrmacht soldiers, a show

0:54:50.320 --> 0:54:52.840
<v Speaker 2>of force somewhat at odds with the peaceable dream of

0:54:52.840 --> 0:54:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Olympic competition. Some people are alike, boy, it seems like

0:54:56.840 --> 0:55:00.840
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of tens of thousands of uniforms marching

0:55:00.880 --> 0:55:02.080
<v Speaker 2>around at this peaceful event.

0:55:02.440 --> 0:55:05.040
<v Speaker 3>Sure are a lot of guns at this peace competition.

0:55:05.320 --> 0:55:07.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I feel like the other countries don't have tens

0:55:07.600 --> 0:55:10.759
<v Speaker 2>of thousands of uniformed soldiers marching around. Maybe an honor guard,

0:55:10.800 --> 0:55:12.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, you do a little twenty one gun saluted.

0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:13.880
<v Speaker 2>This is a lot of guys.

0:55:14.120 --> 0:55:16.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is a bunch of guys. Well it's okay

0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:22.640
<v Speaker 3>because they're they're doing race walking, so that's fine. Kiltoe, yeah, step,

0:55:22.800 --> 0:55:23.759
<v Speaker 3>whatever you want to call it.

0:55:24.400 --> 0:55:26.040
<v Speaker 2>Kind Of at the start of the events, we get

0:55:26.239 --> 0:55:29.320
<v Speaker 2>a chapter of one of the more complicated sporting stories

0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:32.200
<v Speaker 2>of the of the Nazi era, which is the Hindenburg

0:55:32.360 --> 0:55:34.920
<v Speaker 2>Sales into Berlin, with Max Schmelling on it.

0:55:35.280 --> 0:55:35.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh.

0:55:35.719 --> 0:55:39.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Schmelling is a He's he's a German boxer. He's

0:55:40.120 --> 0:55:42.160
<v Speaker 2>one of the best boxers of his day, and he is.

0:55:42.360 --> 0:55:44.680
<v Speaker 2>He has just gone up against a guy named Joe Louis.

0:55:44.760 --> 0:55:45.400
<v Speaker 3>Joe Louises.

0:55:45.840 --> 0:55:48.759
<v Speaker 2>If you talk to boxing people and you ask who

0:55:48.880 --> 0:55:51.040
<v Speaker 2>is the best boxer of all time, you'll get a

0:55:51.120 --> 0:55:53.359
<v Speaker 2>number of different names, but the name you might get

0:55:53.400 --> 0:55:55.600
<v Speaker 2>most often is Joe Lewis. He's at least got to

0:55:55.640 --> 0:55:58.719
<v Speaker 2>be up there. He's like twenty years. He's basically very

0:55:58.760 --> 0:56:01.520
<v Speaker 2>close to undefeated. I think his records like fifty four wins,

0:56:01.560 --> 0:56:04.319
<v Speaker 2>four losses, like forty two of those wins are by

0:56:04.400 --> 0:56:08.080
<v Speaker 2>knockout right. And one of the very few men to

0:56:08.239 --> 0:56:11.480
<v Speaker 2>beat Lewis in a fight was Smelling and Shmelling does

0:56:11.480 --> 0:56:13.839
<v Speaker 2>it when he's thirty, so he's considered over the hill.

0:56:14.520 --> 0:56:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Schmelling is able to win because he spends He just

0:56:16.719 --> 0:56:19.799
<v Speaker 2>like obsessively watches every fight Lewis has been in and

0:56:19.880 --> 0:56:22.560
<v Speaker 2>like learns his strategy and he wins. And this is

0:56:22.600 --> 0:56:25.280
<v Speaker 2>seen is like this huge thing for the Nazis, proof

0:56:25.280 --> 0:56:29.080
<v Speaker 2>of racial superiority. It's, you know, a great lead into

0:56:29.160 --> 0:56:32.120
<v Speaker 2>these games. What's kind of weird on the backside of

0:56:32.160 --> 0:56:34.920
<v Speaker 2>this is that for all of that, like Shmelling and

0:56:35.239 --> 0:56:37.600
<v Speaker 2>Lewis and Schmelling will have a rematch that Lewis wins,

0:56:37.600 --> 0:56:39.440
<v Speaker 2>and it's made in this very big propaganda thing for

0:56:39.480 --> 0:56:43.120
<v Speaker 2>the US. Joe Lewis is treated like shit by the

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<v Speaker 2>United States his whole life because he's a black man,

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<v Speaker 2>like he's when he's put in the army to have

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<v Speaker 2>like a pr role basically, and he's still discriminated against

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<v Speaker 2>massively one of the only white guys in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not shitty to Joe Lewis, is Max smelling out

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<v Speaker 2>and Smelling pays for his funeral when he dies. They

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<v Speaker 2>are friends for life.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, they're best friends forever. And if you know,

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<v Speaker 3>if at any moment you want to feel really good

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<v Speaker 3>about the United States for like, you know, being against

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<v Speaker 3>Nazism and all that stuff, do yourself a favor and

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<v Speaker 3>don't just because remember that so many of the people

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<v Speaker 3>we're talking about, whether it's ahead of these like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Olympic committees or like people who are like generals in

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<v Speaker 3>the military, they're all just like, listen, we also hate Jews,

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<v Speaker 3>and yeah, we also discriminate openly against all African Americans

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<v Speaker 3>in this country. So it's it's really you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, Yeah, it's one of those I'm always every time

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<v Speaker 2>it comes around the Normandy anniversary, the anniversary of Stalingrad.

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<v Speaker 2>But I've got nothing but respect for the people who

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<v Speaker 2>actually had to fight the.

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<v Speaker 3>Not and every single soldier went in there and kicked

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<v Speaker 3>Nazi ass. I love country.

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<v Speaker 2>This country wound up politics just barely missing, you know that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, so by by a fucking by a fraction, by

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<v Speaker 3>a hair we ended up not being aligned with this

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<v Speaker 3>Nazi project, and.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of guys like Brundage probably went to his

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<v Speaker 2>grave regretting that, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, well you at least you would hope.

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<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, so we have our Nazi Games. The Berlin

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<v Speaker 2>Games start out. The theme of the day is this,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, the the opening of the Olympics is

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<v Speaker 2>all of these German like military marches, right, and everyone

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<v Speaker 2>else kind of just with their athletes walking around being like, boy,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like there's a weird number of soldiers every ship.

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<v Speaker 3>We didn't bring enough guns? Should we have guns?

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, when he shows up, when Hitler shows up,

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<v Speaker 2>he's he's marching with ballet letur and leveled.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>These other IOC representatives, right, and they are like fucking

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<v Speaker 2>The President of the Olympics is next to Hitler and

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<v Speaker 2>they are flanked by dozens of SS men like a

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<v Speaker 2>political games. Nothing going on with this, this SS march

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<v Speaker 2>to the Olympic stadium.

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<v Speaker 3>This is all just about piece and sports spainship.

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<v Speaker 2>In the book Berlin Games, Guy Walters writes, by the

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<v Speaker 2>time Hitler reached his seat at four h five pm,

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<v Speaker 2>there was no doubt that he was already the star

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<v Speaker 2>of the Olympics. These were his games now, not ballet

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<v Speaker 2>le Tours and most certainly not Kubertin's. As if to

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<v Speaker 2>reinforce the Nazification of the Games, the orchestra struck up

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<v Speaker 2>with Deutschland uber Alles and the Horst Wessel Song, both

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<v Speaker 2>of which and herald at the start of the Winter

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<v Speaker 2>Games back in February. So that's great now. A major

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<v Speaker 2>topic of discussion was the precise nature of the salutes

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<v Speaker 2>that different Olympic teams chose to make as they marched

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<v Speaker 2>past Hitler in the reviewing stand. This was complicated by

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that the Olympic salute. There's an Olympic salute.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I didn't know there was an Olympic salute.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't think we use it anymore because it's

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<v Speaker 2>basically a reversed Nazi salute. They're very similar, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is because we've been doing variants of the solute that

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<v Speaker 2>the Nazis what like for a long time. But also

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<v Speaker 2>Hitler is known for he's kind of a lazy guy

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the time, and so sometimes when Hitler,

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<v Speaker 2>prior even to this, he'll give he'll use the wrong

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<v Speaker 2>arm to do his fascist salute. When the Greeks give

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<v Speaker 2>an Olympic salute and Hitler responds with an Olympic salute,

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<v Speaker 2>no one's really sure. Well, we're not sure if the

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<v Speaker 2>Greeks meant to do a fascist salute, and we're not

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<v Speaker 2>sure what Hitler meant to do. Nobody actually knows.

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<v Speaker 3>Hitler is the one guy he always says that that

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<v Speaker 3>little hile, right, he's really lazy with it. He has

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<v Speaker 3>a lazy hile. He really he really half asses the higle. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess it's because they're him. He's like, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>have to hile that much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean to be fair to Hitler, which I

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<v Speaker 2>usually don't say. It is all like, yeah, he shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>hile him. That is kind of weird, right, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I'm not going to be seat.

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<v Speaker 3>Fair to Hitler, he said, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So the French come by next and they do another

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<v Speaker 2>Olympic salute, but the crowd is mostly Germans. They did

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<v Speaker 2>mostly Germans who lived through World War One and like

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<v Speaker 2>the starvation and mass death and so a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people kind of interpret what the French team is doing

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<v Speaker 2>as a fascist salute, which they see is not that

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<v Speaker 2>they don't see that as the French thing we're fascist too.

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<v Speaker 2>They see it as like the French being like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>things are good now, We're not going to have another

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<v Speaker 2>war because like most of this audience of Germans really

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<v Speaker 2>don't want another war with France. It was a bad

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<v Speaker 2>time that yeah, And so they the audience cheers when

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<v Speaker 2>they see the French do this because they're like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe wait, maybe I don't have to send my son

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<v Speaker 2>off to dialect my brother did and Flanders or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>my friend's drowning mud. Yeah sounds great. Hitler is really

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<v Speaker 2>unhappy with this because he hears a bunch of Germans

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<v Speaker 2>cheering for the French and he's like, well, maybe they

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<v Speaker 2>really don't want.

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<v Speaker 3>What what is about to happen? Right? Albert Nazis, like

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<v Speaker 3>what is going on here?

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<v Speaker 2>Albert Spear describes Hitler as quote more disturbed than pleased

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<v Speaker 2>by the Berliners cheers. The British come next, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is there's some moments of pride for both the Brits

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<v Speaker 2>and the Americans. Here the British and also India and Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>who are part of the British Empire. They don't salute

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<v Speaker 2>at all, and neither do the Americans, who are lit

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<v Speaker 2>in their march by Avery Brundage. And here's how Guy

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<v Speaker 2>Walters describes that moment. The United States was one of

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<v Speaker 2>the last teams to enter the stadium. We were a

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<v Speaker 2>total disgrace, recalled Joanna de Tuscan. About thirty or forty

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<v Speaker 2>non members of the team, fat with cigarette actions on

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<v Speaker 2>their clothes, marched at the head of the team. Marty

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<v Speaker 2>Glickman felt that the word marching was inappropriate to describe

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<v Speaker 2>how the Americans proceeded. American athletes don't march very well,

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<v Speaker 2>he wrote, We kind of moved in our usual loose

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<v Speaker 2>skated walk, and the team's head was Avery Brundage, who

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<v Speaker 2>was neither fat nor a smoker, and was one of

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<v Speaker 2>the few who really did march, and honestly, I have

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<v Speaker 2>some American pride for that. Yeah, we've bet are fascist

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<v Speaker 2>at the front, but everyone else just.

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<v Speaker 3>Looks like shit still around, hungover as hell, Chane smoking. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>that is shit like that. That makes America great. You know.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the fact that we're just like Listen, I learned

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<v Speaker 3>how to do one thing really well. I'm not also

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<v Speaker 3>going to get march. Yeah, I'm gonna get good at this.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck you, I'm literally Jesse Owens.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have to impress you. Yeah, I'm doing this

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<v Speaker 3>for a metal later.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I'm going to continue that quote. As the

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<v Speaker 2>Americans marched past Hitler, they removed their boaters and clutched

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<v Speaker 2>them to their hearts. Whereas other flags were dipped in

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<v Speaker 2>honor of the fewer, the stars and stripes remained resolutely aloft,

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<v Speaker 2>which caused a murmur of discontent around the stadium. Marty

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<v Speaker 2>Glickman recalled the moment when the team passed Hitler. We

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<v Speaker 2>looked up at the box where he was flanked by

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<v Speaker 2>Gerrying and Gebels and Hesse and Himmler and all the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the Nazi hierarchy, and you could hear the

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<v Speaker 2>comment run through our crowd as we were walking in. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>he looks like Charlie Chaplin. And this has been pretty

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<v Speaker 2>America critical, as we often are, but by God, am

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<v Speaker 2>I proud to hear that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's beautiful. I've got that Lee Greenwood song running

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<v Speaker 3>in my heart. Now it's beautiful. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So we will continue at some later date with the

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<v Speaker 2>story of Hitler at the Olympics and maybe finish up

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<v Speaker 2>some Avery brundage. But you get the gist of why

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<v Speaker 2>brundage sucks with all this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it seems like a dickhead to complete. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't I don't like him, and I don't support him.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you that he's a bastard.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well I reckon. That'll do it for us. Here

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, check that out. See Matt and Francesca live.

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<v Speaker 2>And you won't see us live because we don't have

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<v Speaker 2>any plans to do that in these time soon. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>someday again.

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<v Speaker 3>You guys should. It would be sick.

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<v Speaker 2>One of these days I'll leave my house again, Matt.

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<v Speaker 2>I keep saying in that and not leaving my house,

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<v Speaker 2>but one of these days I might.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, it's great out there in the world, bro, you know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's what everyone says about the world. Yeah. Everyone loves

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<v Speaker 3>the world and how good it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the overwhelming thing I get from social media.

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<v Speaker 2>People are happy about the world.

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<v Speaker 3>If you go outside world good, nothing bad ever happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, everybody go be like an Olympian and

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<v Speaker 2>touch grass.

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