WEBVTT - Clayton Vs Gabby with Clayton Echard 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.800 This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:04.640 with iHeartRadio. 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:09.440 Hey, everyone, welcome to Almost Famous. Today we have Clayton 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:11.400 Eckerd with us and we are so excited about that 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:14.400 because this man has been in the headlines like crazy 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:17.000 lately having a little back and forth with his I 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:18.520 don't know if you want to call her ex but 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:23.920 ex Gabby. So hey, Clayton, welcome to the podcast. 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:25.520 Thanks for having me. Guys. 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:28.240 It was not too long that we're talking, and I 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:30.040 am sooner than I thought back. 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:35.440 I know what did all right, So let's get started 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:38.960 with the drama you've had with Gabby lately. So you 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:41.760 heard her on a podcast making fun of your dancing, 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:45.520 which you've been very vocal about brings you joy. And 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:49.160 then she also referred to you as a toe. 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:51.800 Which I didn't know what that meant. I thought that meant. 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:53.400 I had to ask. 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:55.200 Ashley if that was like a new thing that people 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:56.080 were calling people. 0:00:56.560 --> 0:01:00.520 So I had gotten that comment made about me all 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:03.920 the way back when I was a bachelor, and it 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:06.720 was it was kind of a common like dig at 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:08.959 me and they were referencing I think it was like 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:12.320 the Spy kids. You remember the Spy kids with the 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:16.360 red like little villains, and they had thumbs for heads. 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:19.880 Oh yeah, oh, I remember spy kids. I don't remember that. 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:22.479 I did not like the franchise. I didn't understand its popularity. 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:27.399 But I remember people used to call blonde people toe heads, right. 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:33.679 See, I've never heard that you're blondish until and I 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:35.200 don't have blonde hair. Yeah, so I don't know if 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:35.800 maybe I'm just. 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:36.480 A little blondie. 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:37.720 Not at all. 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:39.120 You're light, you're light. 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:39.760 See. 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:41.479 I think that he was light, but I guess when 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:42.920 you really amaze. 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:45.240 Yeah, the slight of here is just making everything up 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:45.600 here bright. 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:47.640 No. 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:49.559 I think that's where it came from. 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:52.360 And it was like somebody I went to buy my 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:57.240 website named Clayton Eckert and somebody had that name bought 0:01:57.360 --> 0:01:59.280 and they were trying to basically make me buy it 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:01.600 off them, and they had like the thumb images all 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:04.560 over the website. So it was something that like people 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:07.120 brought up and I just was like, Okay, I don't 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:08.799 I don't really understand that. 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:11.080 I think they were kind of like bulkier. 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:15.160 Villains and so maybe aspect too, But. 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:19.680 Whatever, did that hurt you? 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:19.800 No? 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:22.120 I mean, gosh, that was listen, like. 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:24.960 The only things that hurt me were the things that 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:28.600 I actually somewhat believed, and that would have been Like 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:31.520 I did think I was boring, you know, as a 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:34.840 person in general, I played it very safe and always, 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:37.200 you know, was trying to fit in and not stand out. 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:39.560 I was fearful of judgment from others. So like when 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:41.440 people said I was boring all that, you know, and 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:45.359 called me, you know, like bland, whitebread, anything that referenced 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:49.040 like me just being a boring blank like a blank slate, 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:52.480 I didn't like, you know that that stuff bothered me. 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.120 But like that he's an idiot, he's you know, ugly. 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:57.800 You know, I have enough self confidence that I was like, 0:02:57.840 --> 0:02:59.440 I don't believe any of that stuff, so it doesn't 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:03.040 bother me. But yeah, the boring stuff hit me the 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:05.840 thumb comment Now it's just stupid. 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:07.239 Am I wrong? 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:07.600 Though? 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:10.280 I Mean, there was a period of time post show, 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:12.960 I think you might even still been with Susie where 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:15.560 you came out publicly and this is all going to 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:19.440 get back to the Gabby situation, but you publicly said 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:23.120 that your confidence was completely shot, that you were struggling 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:27.240 with your mental health. Yeah, I believe you went out 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:29.160 and spoke on it. So you're saying it didn't bother 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:31.960 you because your confidence, you had enough self confidence. But 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:33.799 then at the same time, it did bother you at 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:37.520 some point because it started, you know, it started to 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:38.040 affect you. 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:41.320 Yeah, I would say my self confidence of self love 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:43.640 has tremendously increased in. 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:45.040 The last six to eight months. 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:51.080 But yes, I was really beaten down in general after 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:53.120 at the end of the show, and so, like comments 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:56.120 about my looks didn't really bother me, but it was 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:58.800 more just the negativity behind it. So it's just people 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:01.360 sending messages to try to attack me, and it was 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:05.400 this pile on effect that that really bothered me. And 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:08.520 so I started just more so feeling like a failure 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:10.960 because I had so much hatred. 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:13.560 It wasn't necessarily that like, oh he's ugly. 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:16.479 It was more like the amount of comments that were negative, 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:19.720 you know, said towards me started to feel overwhelming, and 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:21.560 that made me feel like I wasn't good enough as 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:24.599 a person. So but it was like the boring ones 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:26.600 that really stuck me in the side, you know, So 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:30.039 that yeah, I would say, like, yes, it absolutely hurt me, 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:35.599 just by the sheer number of comments being made. And 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:37.719 now though I would say it's not the case, which 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:39.080 is good, that is good. 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:40.440 I want to say that is good. And we're and 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:42.680 I'm gonna, like, I don't want to open up any 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:45.520 wounds here. I'm really happy that you're in a good place, and. 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:47.560 I'll open up anyones that I haven't already opened up myself. 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:51.560 Yeah, this is a very interesting situation. You have made 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:57.240 the headlines recently for some some drama that you didn't start, 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:59.240 but you chose, and I'm gonna we're going to get 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:02.560 into that you chose to enter into it. Recently, Nick 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:06.919 Vile on his show shared kind of in support of 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.760 you really saying that, hey, we can't let Clayton Ecker 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:13.640 be a punching bag forever. Was his quote, Do you 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:16.880 feel like a punching bag right now? Coming after these 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:21.400 gabby comments that happen on this podcast, It seems like 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:25.159 what Nick was referencing what you are feeling and a 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:28.000 really good season of life, which is great because you'd 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:30.479 hate for this to happen if you were like still 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:35.120 you know struggling is that it feels like, you know, 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:37.440 people seem to think you're getting a lot of hate 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:39.320 from all different sides. Do you feel that way? 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:39.880 Oh? 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:45.479 Yeah, yeah, that and I started to wonder, why, you know, 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:47.440 I keep getting hit with these things, and some people 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:51.719 a common denominator obviously it's him, and I'm like, yeah, 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:54.920 but no, you know I didn't. I'm not out here 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:58.640 instigating this or looking from trouble. I mean, the cheating 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:01.039 scandal I had that was some girl in you know, 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:03.200 New York I never met, So I didn't instigate that 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:05.520 when that one came on to me. You know, you 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:07.719 could say, like the praternity scandal. I mean, okay, I 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:09.919 hooked up with a girl, but nobody expects it to 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:13.360 go to that extent, you know, So it was that 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:15.600 was something as well that I'm like, that's ridiculous that 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:18.359 this this came on to me. And then the comments 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:20.680 with Gabby, you know, it was just like really, I mean, 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.680 here I am doing my thing. You can hate it 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:25.680 or love it. You don't have to. I understand I'm 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.360 not the greatest dancer. I'm very aware of, like how 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:30.919 good of a dancer I actually am in comparison to 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.479 legit dancers, which is also something I want to highlights. 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:36.320 People like, he's not a good dancer. I'm like compared 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:39.960 to who you know, because I've I have absolutely improved 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:41.960 from the first day that I started dancing, but like 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:45.840 compared to who so you know. But it's like, I 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:48.000 think the reason I, at least what I came to 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.720 realized was the reason why I'm a punching bag is 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:51.839 because I wasn't punching back. 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:52.640 You know. 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:55.040 I think all this time I just basically took it 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.599 and then sat here and and and didn't do anything 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:01.560 about it. And so I recently came to a place 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:05.000 where I said, I'm not gonna just take this bullshit anymore. 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:08.320 You know, I'm going to stand up for myself, even 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.640 if it's something trivial. I mean, I think, you know, again, 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:15.280 what Gabby said, I've said had so many terrible things 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:18.560 said to me now like it didn't that didn't hurt me, 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:20.560 like her saying I wish you didn't I didn't have 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:23.080 eyes if you watch this dance video or then I 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:25.000 look like a thumb, you know. I was like, Okay, 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:27.640 I've heard way worse, but it's the principle. I was like, 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:30.520 I am no longer going to allow people to bash me. 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:32.960 You know, I'm going to stand up for myself, and 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:36.360 there's going to be some repercussion for you know, for 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:39.240 you come attacking me for you know, the cheating or 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:42.320 for the paternity scandal. This girl's facing criminal prosecution right now, 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:45.280 so you know, that's her accountability. And then for Gabby, 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:47.920 I mean, I think people saw that she's you know, 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:50.600 that wasn't fair and right for her to say, and 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.240 so you know, and she chose not to apologize, and 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:55.880 so she's facing a little bit of backlash from some 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.120 people online. I knew I was never going to win 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:01.560 that battle from a you know, public standpoint, as far 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.160 as court of public opinion. She's got three times the 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:06.560 followers and the audience and she's, you know, the hot 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:10.200 thing right now, so I knew I wasn't. But it 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:12.400 wasn't about that. It was more just like, keep my 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:14.920 name out of your mouth, stop talking about me. I'm 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:16.400 just not gonna let this fly anymore. 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:19.120 Was it frustrating to see her try to make it 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:22.960 like a woman versus man thing and how she was 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:27.560 saying that like men shouldn't have a say on like 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:29.160 what you talked about on the Bachelor. 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:31.920 That really did bother me because it was just like 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:35.120 what does this have to do with the matter at hand. 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:37.920 This is not a matter of male versus female. This 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:41.840 is strictly about you dragging me for no reason. And 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.880 she tried to play into this whole narrative that I 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:48.560 absolutely despise. I mean, it infuriates me, but I chose 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:50.920 not to. I didn't want to take away from like 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:54.120 that her response and go down this path of like 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.520 men versus women, because I'm not trying to go down 0:08:57.559 --> 0:08:57.959 that path. 0:08:58.000 --> 0:08:59.480 I just want the equality aspect. 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.679 But it really cheap of her to like bring up 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:05.680 my you know, white man and I'm like, oh, look, 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:09.120 so my ethnicity and my you know, sexuality or my 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:10.360 you know gender. 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:13.800 I'm like, why does this? Like you just stop. 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:15.880 You're just trying to basically get people to latch onto 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:18.240 that and be like yeah, like he's he should. 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:19.480 It wasn't relevant at all. 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.160 It wasn't relevant, and I don't like it because it's like, 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.400 what is a white man not supposed to be able 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:26.559 to express himself? And then all the comments, all her 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:29.920 little fans saying like men used to go to war 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:31.679 and like look how soft men have gotten. 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:33.040 I'm like, you are the problem. 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:35.480 You're the reason why men won't speak up because you 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:38.040 bash them for the second that they talk about their 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:39.320 mental health, and. 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.440 That's that's that's you know, that infuriates me as. 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.200 Well, like that response, and I'm like, see, this is 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:46.560 what happens when you start trying to draw this narrative 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:49.960 like she did, where she's like man versus woman. I'm like, stop, 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:53.080 that wasn't even a point of conversation, like you're just 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:55.760 it just yeah, I didn't like that at all. I 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:59.439 thought that was very cheap and just was unnecessary to 0:09:59.440 --> 0:09:59.960 bring up. 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:13.240 Two side notes, one completely side note here like such 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:15.199 a wild turn. And then I'm going to get back 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:17.920 to some questions. Did you just get your ears pierced? No, 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.160 I've had them piers for Oh yeah, I've had them. 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:22.640 They're small, but I've had them piers for like a 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:23.200 year now. 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.480 Yeah he looks good. Yeah. I was like, that's cool. 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.680 I just one day, as I started, you know, finding 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:31.920 myself and what I wanted to do, I was just like, 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:34.040 you know, I've always thought earrings like cool on guys, 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:35.800 and you know, there was always this stigma of like 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:38.679 your sexuality would be questioned if you had earrings. 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:39.760 At least where I grew up, so. 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:43.680 That was the stigma behind it, and I was like, 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:45.599 I don't really care what people think about. 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:46.920 Me, and I just think it looks good. 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:48.079 You're going through a time. 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:51.120 You're discussing question. Man, I'm just doing what I want 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.000 to do, you know, I'm just saying, great. 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:54.240 I do want to get back here. 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:54.920 Okay. 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:57.400 So in closing on this topic, because we don't need 0:10:57.440 --> 0:10:58.880 to draw it out, we don't need to go into 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:02.000 a thousand details. We never really said it was said. 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:04.160 What was said on this podcast that Gabby was on 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:07.680 is she pretty much spent you know, ten minutes really 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:10.720 like going at you, calling you or comparing you to 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:14.880 a toe, which I think there's different ways for people 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.160 to interpret what exactly that meant. Either you look like 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:20.120 a toe, or it's a comment like I don't exactly 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:22.880 even really know, but that's what she compared you to. 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:24.560 She said I dated a guy that was a toe. 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.840 And then she criticized your dancing that you post on 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:31.000 social media. If people aren't familiar or don't follow you, 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:34.840 you do share dancing videos on social media. We have 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:39.120 during this interview admitted that you don't think you're a 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.839 professional dancer, but this is something that brings you joy 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:45.439 and that's why you do it. So we have this. 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:48.920 You did come back out and speak publicly kind of 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:51.480 defending yourself. As you said, you're not going to be 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.440 the punching bag anymore. You are going to stand up 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:56.480 for yourself. You did do that publicly. She did respond 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:59.680 with the comments that we were just talking about, saying 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.120 that you really don't have a place to defend yourself 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:04.800 here because of some things that you did on this 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:07.600 live show. So this is where we sit today, at 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:09.480 least as far as I know, you sit in this 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:11.680 place where she just responded. You haven't said anything back. 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:17.240 As we close here, Clayton, where do you hope this goes? 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:17.600 Like? 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:19.240 Where do you hope this plays out? What do you 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:21.360 think that what do you hope the outcome is? Because 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.880 obviously you said that her fans are still, you know, 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:28.080 upset with you. I'm sure your fans and many are 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:31.240 upset with her. This could be a back and forth 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.120 that could last a long time and keep you both 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:35.800 in the public eye for a long time and become 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:38.120 a big benefit to you because you are back in 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:40.719 the headlines. Or you just squash it and you say 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:44.360 we're done with it. So where do you hope this goes? 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:45.360 What is your next move? 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:45.839 Yeah? 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.200 Well, I mean she said, put out our video response, 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:50.920 and then I put out a video response and response 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:55.240 to that that's on my Instagram, and that was you 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:57.640 know that. I felt again like, oh no, you're not 0:12:57.640 --> 0:12:59.240 just going to be able to skit the last word 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.960 and say what you want and then bully me into 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:03.280 not responding. 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:06.480 You know, I'm going to take one last stand and 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:07.040 respond to that. 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:10.560 If I don't know if she's responded, since she's blocked 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.880 me on all of her social media, so I don't 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:14.960 know if she's sent out a response. 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:16.120 I haven't been tagged anything. 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.120 Time out, time out, pause, there is this block new 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:22.839 does this happen like post this situation or has this. 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.600 Been based off this whole thing? Okay? 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:28.520 Oh my god, okay, okay, so then you you you 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:30.640 responded twice. Now you're saying that. 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:32.640 You said something. 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:35.160 She said something, You said something, and then you said, oh, okay, 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:36.640 you're not going to respond to my response. 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:41.320 Well, she just I my she originally said something on 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.760 a podcast. I then put out my first you know, saying, 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:46.320 you know, like I'm not cool that She then responded 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:48.280 and said, oh, that's rich, you know, with talking about 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:51.280 being a white male. I then responded to that video 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:54.240 on my Instagram, so I have that video now if 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:56.320 she's put on anything since I haven't seen it because 0:13:56.320 --> 0:14:00.240 she right now. But as far as like listen, I 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:02.559 mean even having this conversation here, like I don't want to. 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.800 I didn't want to drag it out I because it 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:08.760 doesn't benefit me. It was just strictly like, don't talk 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:11.560 about me, and that's it. That's that like moving forward, 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:14.360 you know again, because she could have someone, if someone. 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:16.520 I saw this whole excuse of like, well, people are 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:18.000 asking her about it. I was like, yeah, right, but 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:19.920 people ask me about the Bachelor, and you don't in 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:22.960 my experience, you don't see me talking about individuals well 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:25.160 you know, yeah three years ago this like blah blah blah. 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:28.360 It's like, no, you can. You're clearly choosing to target 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:29.320 me and make comments. 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:31.240 And it's been you know, multiple times, and that's what 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:32.800 originally got me to speak up. It's like I got 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:34.840 sent a few podcasts and I was like, all right, 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:37.560 one too many podcasts. You're going on this this tangent 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:40.440 recently and calling me out so I don't have any 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:42.240 intention if she were to respond back and put up 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:44.240 another video, It's like, there's it's really kind of beating 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:46.720 a dead horse. At this point, she understands I'm not 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:48.960 cool with it, so just it's like, don't keep talking 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:52.080 about me, and if she does, I don't know. I mean, 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:53.680 as of right now, she's not saying anything about it, 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:55.360 so I'm like, let's just drop it. But if she 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:57.880 wants to go on a rant and go off on 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.040 social media and podcasts and keep attacking me, you know, 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:04.560 I'll react accordingly. I'd rather not though, I'd rather just 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:07.520 like let it be. I don't like, I don't seek 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:09.720 this kind of stuff, you know. I just this was 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:11.600 not one too many times. I'm like, you, you have 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.240 spoken up poorly about me in the last few months 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:15.000 too many times. 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:16.240 And that's why I'm going to say. 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:17.480 Something before we wrap. 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:19.760 I do want to ask about one thing that you 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:22.440 said in your response video. You said that you had 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:25.480 reached out to her and apologized for what went down 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.400 during your season at the Bachelor. Did she ever respond 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.160 to that, because based on the screenshots, it was if. 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:37.160 A I never responded to my original message apologizing and 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.480 then I ended up having a conversation with Rachel one 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:45.400 day at an event and we had talked about, you know, 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:47.760 the situation with Gabby, and I said, you know, I'm 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:50.760 not really certain where the things are at, and she's like, oh, 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:52.160 you should reach out to her. So I reached out 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:55.040 about this opportunity, a thing that I had in my mind, 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:57.560 and she was very brief and that was that. So 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:00.440 it's like she never really yeah, I mean, she just 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:02.040 did want anything to do with me. So it was 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:03.840 loud and clear, and so that was that. And I 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:05.360 think that was the last time I sent her a message, 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:07.600 was like twenty twenty three, and just was like, Okay, 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:10.200 I forget it. Like she doesn't want to make amends. 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.560 She's you know, heard, and that's fine. We don't have 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:14.840 to forgive me. But I guess I'll just stop trying to, 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:20.400 you know, basically heal this this this connection that's. 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:21.560 Just not it's not reciprocal. 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:24.680 What a wild world you've been in since your time 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:29.000 of being the Bachelor of Clayton. My final question, and 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:31.320 we'll end it with this. I think we asked you 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:33.680 a few weeks ago when you're on are you glad 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:36.280 that you were the Bachelor or you would take it 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:38.280 all back. Do you wish this would have never been 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:39.520 the path you would have gone down? 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:40.600 No, I am. 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:44.560 I'm very happy because the guy on the Bachelor that 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:47.720 everyone watched wasn't the version of me that I wanted 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:49.960 to be. It was just the safest version of me 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:54.640 that I chose to navigate through life. All this adversity 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:56.800 put me in a place now where, like, I do 0:16:56.880 --> 0:17:00.800 not care about people's Let me say this, I hardly 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:03.360 care about most people's opinions. I'm sure somebody can say 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:05.000 something that I can get under my skin, but I've 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:06.119 gotten to a place. 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:07.760 Now where Gabby, yeah, I. 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:09.960 Mean some people can can get under my skin. 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:12.119 I'm not going to say all and use absolutes, but 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:16.520 I hardly ever care about what strangers think about me anymore. 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:19.400 And because I don't care about fear of judgment, I'm 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:22.240 able to live a fully authentic life, or the closest 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:24.400 thing to it. So I wouldn't have gotten there had 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:27.800 I not had all of this conflict so in versity. 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.000 So yeah, I'm actually really grateful in a. 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:33.160 Better sounds like you've been listening to some Tony Robbins 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:34.600 podcast listening. 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:39.800 I've had Sony self help books and Sony podcasts like 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:42.800 I went. I went deep into the whole healing experience, 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:44.960 and I was able to switch my perspective, you know, 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.280 which is like it works for me, you know. So 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:50.560