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Speaker 1: Well, just surprising because like I don't think, I know

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Speaker 2: So I could definitely see eft And Chisholm being a

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Speaker 1: Unless unless they have a role form that we just

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Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of like I take off the top

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but he's a good enough player to

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Speaker 1: No, it felt like a big day for the concept

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you nailed that. Did you get how many did

431
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Speaker 2: you get? Did you get it right.

432
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,160
Speaker 1: With the at large or the ross projection? Let me see,

433
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 1: I didn't even look.

434
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're in the roster projection.

435
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 1: I guess, well, because the roster projection I did week one.

436
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 1: I didn't do the initial roster, okay, so I have

437
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,439
Speaker 1: liked the TVD guys on there. We'll know soon. So

438
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 1: I had Here are the nineteen guys I had for

439
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 1: ten spots and tended to make it Born Baker, Low,

440
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:08,399
Speaker 1: Wallace Jennings, Elijah Ponder, Truman Jones didn't make it right, No,

441
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 1: Kyle Dougart del Pettis. So eight of my ten bubble

442
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: guys made it. With Tavai on I R there you go,

443
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 1: all right, So who are the bubble guys? Who are

444
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 1: the guys not on the bubble that made it? There'd

445
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 1: have to be two more guys. I don't know.

446
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 2: Let's go to the second one here.

447
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 1: Maybe I just counted wrong.

448
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 2: So this one I just called biggest surprises. I don't

449
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: think there were any major surprises. But I think the

450
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 2: one surprise that caught everybody's eye was Brandon Swinson getting

451
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 2: h released, getting waved fifth round pick. I feel like

452
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,479
Speaker 2: I talked about we talked about this a little bit,

453
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,199
Speaker 2: that he was having a quiet summer. I wish I

454
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 2: kind of had hammered it home a little bit more.

455
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 2: I'm not overly shocked that they if they were just

456
00:22:55,760 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 2: evaluating camp, and they were all things created equal across

457
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 2: a board. Who had the better camp, Who were the

458
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 2: best fifty three guys on the roster? Like I just mentioned,

459
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 2: I'm not overly shocked that Braden Swinson didn't make the team.

460
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,479
Speaker 2: I didn't think he had a really I didn't think

461
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 2: he really stood out in camp. I'm not gonna sit

462
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 2: here and say you had a bad camp, because I

463
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 2: don't know, Like maybe he was doing things that I

464
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,199
Speaker 2: you know, little details and things like that, maybe he

465
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 2: was doing those correctly. Doesn't seem like it, though. And

466
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 2: I didn't think that his production was overly eye catching either.

467
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 2: I had a couple hurries in Minnesota in the in

468
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 2: the game, but it was in the fourth quarter of

469
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 2: a preseason game against guys that weren't going to make

470
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 2: the roster for the Vikings either. I never thought that

471
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 2: Braden Switson really made any positive momentum. I didn't necessarily

472
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 2: think I saw a ton of flashes. I actually thought

473
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. Obviously ponder, but I think

474
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 2: Truman Jones almost showed a little bit more in the

475
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 2: preseason and in training camp than Braiden Swinson. The other

476
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 2: angle with Braden Swinson was there was some draft scuttle

477
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 2: but but around the time that he was drafted, I

478
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:08,360
Speaker 2: think we had we had somebody on. Maybe Dane Brugler

479
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: mentioned it like that some teams were a little bit

480
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 2: if he on Braiden Swinson in terms of his football

481
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 2: character and things like that. So there's a possibility that

482
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 2: maybe they look at it and say, twenty teams didn't

483
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 2: even have him on their draft board, so maybe he

484
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 2: does make it through waivers. Are you that surprised that

485
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 2: Braden Swinson got cut because I am not little.

486
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Speaker 1: Bit just in the turn like, yeah, he didn't really

487
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: have a super impactful summer, but it was also okay,

488
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: they have, you know, bit round pick. He was always

489
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: kind of a project player. Do they keep him around

490
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: as a developmental player if you're going just off the

491
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: production this summer, he wasn't one of their fifty three

492
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: best players. I thought they might hang on to him

493
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 1: for the upside. But that's that's why it wasn't overly shocking.

494
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 1: I was a little surprised about Truman Jones as well,

495
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 1: like you said, because he was playing core special teams

496
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: role as well. He's somebody I would think is going

497
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 1: to be back here on the practice squad if he

498
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: doesn't get claimed.

499
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a fair point. I just like I said,

500
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Speaker 2: I didn't really I was. I was really high on

501
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 2: Braden Swinson when they drafted him. Like I will fully

502
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: admit that. I guess I missed on that one, if

503
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 2: we want to say it already, I don't know. It's

504
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 2: a little early. Still even though he got cut, you know,

505
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 2: he could always catch on with another team or practice

506
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 2: squad and eventually make a you know, an impact in

507
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 2: his career in the NFL. It's the book is not

508
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 2: closed certainly on Braden Swinson's career. But I was high

509
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 2: on the pick when they made it, especially where they

510
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 2: got him in that fifth round. I think a lot

511
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 2: of people in the draft community and the media had

512
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 2: him valued a lot higher than the fifth round, like

513
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 2: a top one hundred player, probably like an end of

514
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 2: the top one hundred, you know, somewhere in that seventy

515
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: five to one hundred range, but certainly a guy that

516
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 2: a lot of people thought was going to go ended

517
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 2: Day two, early day three. Some of the things that

518
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 2: we heard after the draft about him off the field

519
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: or his football character. I think pushed him to the

520
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 2: fifth round. Yeah, but he had talent of a third

521
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 2: round pick, I would say, so I am surprised that

522
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 2: it didn't happen. But at the same time, it didn't happen.

523
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 2: It never he never got any momentum going. I never

524
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: thought that he flashed consistently in the practices or in

525
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 2: the game. So I'm not overly shocked if we're just

526
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 2: evaluating it now. I am a little bit surprised that

527
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: they gave up on a fifth round pick and didn't

528
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 2: just give him some leeway and a chance.

529
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: That's surprise was if there was one.

530
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I would also put like I've seen a

531
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 2: lot of like, you know, bust, like waste of a pick.

532
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: They drafted him like one hundred and forty sixth overall.

533
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 2: It wasn't like they drafted him forty sixth overall. It

534
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 2: was Yeah, he was a fifth round pick. He was

535
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 2: a Day three guy. Yes, he had some buzz and

536
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: he had some hype coming into the draft, but let's

537
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 2: not get over his zealous and started acting like they

538
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,719
Speaker 2: like cut a second round pick in his rookie season.

539
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 2: That's not what happened here. So Braden Swinson was probably

540
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: the biggest. Is there any other surprises to you? I

541
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 2: thought that really this was a pretty unsurprising honestly.

542
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you're under the kickers. We'll get to the kickers, okay.

543
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: I it wasn't a surprise to me. I think it

544
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: came as a surprise to many. I understand why people

545
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 1: are surprised. It was something where how much of a

546
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: competition was it really right where we they kind of

547
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 1: started dropping the hands the last couple weeks, I guess

548
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 1: said we'll get to the kickers, but we.

549
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 2: Can get to the kickers now.

550
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: I just think that's the other thing that qualifies as

551
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: a surprise. On a day that it was finally, I

552
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: think we said off the air like he was one

553
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: of the most eventful cutdown days we've covered, even though

554
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: not much happened.

555
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.

556
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: It was just eight wide receivers and there was a

557
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:37,239
Speaker 1: bunch going on.

558
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: There's a lot of nothing.

559
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: We'll ever top to Cam Newton day when Quick Little

560
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: story time. We were up because it was during COVID,

561
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: so like me, there were only certain areas of the

562
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: media could work whatever, So we were up in like

563
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: the game day press box. It was just me and you.

564
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: I don't remember why we were up there.

565
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 2: Something.

566
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: Oh, we were going to record something for Cel and

567
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: Ass and we're waiting on the cuts and it was

568
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: a super uneventful. I think they cut like Miles Bryant

569
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: or somebody like, oh, Miles Bryant, Like that's I thought

570
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: he'd make the team. Evan goes to the bathroom. I

571
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: see the tweet. Jim McBride topprocate, right, I see the tweet.

572
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: Evan comes back. How do you go to the bathroom

573
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: and they cut Cam Newton. You didn't believe me for like,

574
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: I had to actually show you the tweet. You thought

575
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: I was screwing with you. Yeah, that was an interesting day.

576
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: But with the kickers, so part of Romo was the

577
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: better field goal kicker this summer. It was hit on

578
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: ninety I think it was ninety one percent of his kicks.

579
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 1: If he round up, it was ninety points, something like

580
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: ninety one percent of his kicks, which is a high number,

581
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: Like that's a significant number. Borgalis was around eighty four percent.

582
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: Now he attempted I think twelve more kicks. Ten twelve

583
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: more kicks. I can pull numbers up on my phone

584
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: in a second. Ten twelve more kicks than Romo did

585
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: because down the stretch there in Minnesota the last week

586
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: the Giants game, they were giving him everything and that's

587
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: what made it look like he was the starter. So

588
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,239
Speaker 1: if Romo hit more of his kicks, why did they

589
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: go with Borgalis. There's a couple of reasons I can

590
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: think of. I don't know for sure. You know, we'll

591
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: try to ask about it today. Part of it is,

592
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: I know some people roll their eyes that they were

593
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: loyal to the draft pick. It might be out of it,

594
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: but it can also be like the upside. Yeah, Borgoalis

595
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: was a better kicker in college, and I know Romo's young,

596
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: but Borgallis was better kicker in college than Romo was.

597
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: You see a ceiling with There is more of a

598
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: ceiling with Borgolis than there is with Romo. The other thing,

599
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: and we had talked about this a few weeks ago.

600
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: Borgalis did appear to be the better kickoff kicker. And

601
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: that's not insignificant. We can't really qualify that, quantify that,

602
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: thank you the way we do. Okay, Well, this guy

603
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: hit X number of field? Was this guy hit X number?

604
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: But just based on what they were running and the

605
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: results and how the coaching staff seem to look at it,

606
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: react to different kicks and things like that. Borgalis seemed

607
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: like the better kickoff kicker, which does matter, so odds

608
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: are It's probably a combination of all of those things.

609
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: I understand why people are surprised by that. It'd be great,

610
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: right if they can get Romo back on the practice squad.

611
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: Is insurance. I don't know how realistic that is through waivers.

612
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: He has to go through waivers. The Dolphins need a kicker.

613
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: I know a couple of other teams with the Dolphins stand out.

614
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: Jason Sanders report yesterday is banged up, but that would

615
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: be my guest. I know that's something that's that surprised

616
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people. It always looked like Borgolis is

617
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: going to win the competition in terms of the usage

618
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: the last two Not always, but like the last two

619
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: three weeks, they were using Borgolis like he was a

620
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: starting kicker. They weren't operating like it was a competition.

621
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: You want to say, the numbers suggested differently. The numbers

622
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: suggested differently. You're not wrong, But if we were just

623
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: playing a predictive game, this is what it always looked like.

624
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: So I I have a take and I have a

625
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: question for you on this. So the first thing with uh,

626
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: like my take on it is that they probably gave

627
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: up on Chad Ryland a little too quickly, and I

628
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 2: know that that wasn't verable and it's a little bit Yeah.

629
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: That's also did they give up on him too quickly

630
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: or did he ultimately just need a change of scenery.

631
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: Maybe, But I guess my point is is not necessarily

632
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: specifically about the chat Ryan situation. Yeah, but I do

633
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: think kickers in general, for some kickers, it does take

634
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: some time too. There is a develop in the NFL.

635
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: It's obviously a very between the ears kind of position,

636
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: and there's a lot more pressure kicking in the NFL

637
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: than there is kicking in college.

638
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: And it's not a position where you want to be patient, right.

639
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: You don't really want to go through growing pains like

640
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: with the quarterback. The reward is so high and there's

641
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: so few good quarterbacks. You go through the growing pains

642
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:28,959
Speaker 1: with the kicker. You may not want to do that,

643
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: but there is a history of kickers finding success after

644
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: struggling his rookies. By the waygalis this is everything practice

645
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: games forty six of fifty five Parker. Romo was thirty

646
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: nine of forty three, and three of those formases all

647
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: came on one day.

648
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 2: So I just wonder if maybe they said it was

649
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: close enough between Borgoalis and Romo. We still trust our

650
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: evaluation on Borgalis that he has a higher ceiling. So yeah,

651
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: we might have to live with some growing pains early on,

652
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: but we're going to go with it. Like, for example,

653
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: the fifty seven yarder that he missed, uh that was

654
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: against Minnesota, right or was the Giants, I don't know,

655
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: honing together he missed a fifty seven yard field goal

656
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: in the preseason and watching it happen live and then

657
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: I believe Rabel confirmed this afterwards. That was more of

658
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: an operational issue.

659
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: So there was that angle to Borgals had a couple

660
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: misses that were on bad snaps and bad.

661
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: Holes and they were like laid on the field and

662
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 2: maybe there was some confusion about which guy was kicking

663
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: or something like that, so they were laid on the

664
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: field and then they basically had to like put the

665
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: ball down with like one second on the play clock,

666
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: snap the football, get the ball off, and kick the ball.

667
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: And it was a shank. It wasn't close, but maybe

668
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: they chalked that one up to just bad operation. Yeah,

669
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: and then the forty nine yarder that he missed, maybe

670
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: that one was a real miss. But my point is

671
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: is that you drafted the guy. You spent a six

672
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: round pick on the guy. You obviously saw something in

673
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: him in terms of a ceiling as a draft pick

674
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: that if it was gonna be close enough between him

675
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 2: and Parker Romo, it probably it made sense to go

676
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: with the guy that you think has the higher ceiling.

677
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: And now we'll see, we'll see what happens. You know,

678
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: this is kicking, it's kind of it's volatile. We'll see

679
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 2: where this goes. Now, my other question for you was,

680
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: so Romo kicked in the Vikings game, he did not

681
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 2: kick in the Giants game. Right now, is there any

682
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: chance that they are trying to hide Parker room certainly?

683
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: That was the other takeaway that I had was maybe

684
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: they know Parker rome was an NFL kicker, and by

685
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: not having him kick in the preseason finale, or at

686
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 2: least exposing him to fewer He didn't kick at all

687
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 2: in the Minnesota joint practices either. They did one extended

688
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: kicking period and it was all Borgalis and the joint

689
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: practices in Minnesota as well. So I just wonder if

690
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: maybe there was a little bit too much I know

691
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 2: it's funny to say kicker hype, but like there was

692
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit too much hype about how good

693
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: Parker Romo looked this summer, coming from people like us

694
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: in the media that they wanted to that Belichick used

695
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: to do this all the time. He wanted to hide him.

696
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: So that hopefully here today, in an hour or so,

697
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 2: we'll find out that he made it through wave half

698
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 2: an hour and if he made it through waivers and.

699
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's no, I think there's absolutely a chance at that.

700
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 2: Would you so you would keep Barcaromo on the practice

701
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 2: squad if you could? Yeah, And then if Borgoalos struggles,

702
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: Like how long of a leash do you give Borgols?

703
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 1: I mean there's you need a lot of context there,

704
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: like how bad is he missing? Is it? You know?

705
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: What are the I mean, it's pressure on the kid,

706
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: it's pressure on Borgos if you keep Romo. But if

707
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: he can't handle that pressure, I don't know if he's

708
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: an NFL kicker. I'm not saying you can't, but.

709
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: Do you Uh, if he's he's missing, like Justin Roroster,

710
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 2: then maybe if he's hitting the porter potties, he'd probably

711
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: make the change sooner rather than later. Poor Justin ro Roster,

712
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 2: I feel like he's the He's the litmus test is

713
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: like are you better than hitting? And just so people realize,

714
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: like the goalposts are one place, the porter potties are

715
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 2: probably what fifteen to twenty yards to the left.

716
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: If anybody's ever played the NCAA football video game, yes

717
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: they made the kicking hard because college kickers are wild.

718
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: The like red miss is what you're talking.

719
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: Very video of it, I can understand. Yeah, not good.

720
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: All right, Moving on from the kickers, The other thing

721
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 2: I had on my list was obviously the offensive line battles.

722
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 2: The roster battles on offensive line, and officially I think

723
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: we can close the book on the Cold Strange era

724
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 2: for the Patriots that that seems like that is over

725
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: with Cole Strange. I would say probably the most accomplished

726
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: or most experienced name to get cut by the Patriots yesterday,

727
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: a guy former first round pick, of course, a guy

728
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 2: that's made twenty nine starts in this league for the Patriots,

729
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 2: that left guard so Cayden Wallace and Ben Brown beat

730
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: out Cole Strange for the roster with the Patriots. Now,

731
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 2: Brown I feel like is more the guy that beat

732
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: him out because he's got that position flex on the interior,

733
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 2: can play center, he can play guard. It's kind of

734
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: the same thing as Cole Strange. And I think ultimately

735
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: what happened with Cole Strange is that Ben Brown's a

736
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 2: better center than he is and it didn't ever look

737
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 2: right or look great for Cole Strange at center, And

738
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: with the way the summer has gone for Garrett Bradberry,

739
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: I do think there's some uncertainty at the center position

740
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 2: that they said we might actually need our backup center,

741
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 2: and we feel better about Ben Brown as a backup

742
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: center than we feel about Cole Strange as a backup center.

743
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: And then you get to the Cayden Wallace of it all.

744
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: Kayden Wallace has been repping with this coaching staff exclusively

745
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: at guard, but in a pinch, could he play tackle

746
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 2: and go out to write tackle if he absolutely had to?

747
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 2: Probably it's his college position. I wouldn't say it's quite

748
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 2: as on the level of a mic on WINNU, but

749
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 2: a similar idea of this guy's a natural guard, but

750
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 2: he's a tackle flex if needed, So he had that versatility.

751
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: But Cole Strange no longer in the picture here with

752
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: the Patriots.

753
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, the writing was on the wall with just how

754
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: how his reps had been distributed. Would you bring him

755
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: back on the practice quadif he clears?

756
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: I don't think so, And I think it's mostly just

757
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 2: because I think for everybody a fresh.

758
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: Start, change with you. But the writing was on the wall.

759
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: Once Ben Brown started playing guard and had that multi

760
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: positional versatility, I think that was it. You know, he

761
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 1: started camp as the starting center at the starting guard,

762
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: sorry left guard, and just never gained any traction there

763
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: so went backwards. Yeah, it went backwards. It just it's unfortunate.

764
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: You know, he is the injury two years ago when

765
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: it started, when it felt like he had started building

766
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: some momentum. But that's just the NFL happens.

767
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Cole Strange out Wallace Brown, And I'm still

768
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: holding out a little bit of hope for Caden Wallace.

769
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 2: It's only a second year's third round pick last year.

770
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if that means that. My hope level

771
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: is like he's going to be a starter down the

772
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 2: line here, but there's still some value. And I know

773
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: you want more out of a third pick, especially on

774
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: the offensive line. But if he is a guard tackle

775
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: flex and he's a top backup in that role, that's

776
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 2: still a role, and that still has some value for

777
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 2: your roster, especially on a rookie contract. So I'm still

778
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: holding out a little bit of hope that with Wallace.

779
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 2: He hasn't played a ton of guard in his career

780
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,479
Speaker 2: going back to college, so it's a new position for him.

781
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: If he can get guard down. I think there were

782
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 2: some flashes in the last preseason game of him, but

783
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: like the big thing with him on the preseason tape

784
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,720
Speaker 2: was more just reps. It was like timing and body

785
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 2: control and balance up to the second level. Like he

786
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 2: was coming off his double teams a little too quickly.

787
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: He wasn't hitting his landmarks on his climbs. But like

788
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 2: that stuff isn't physical, like he can't do it. It's coachable,

789
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: it's details, it's knowing the position, it's repping the position.

790
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 2: So physically, I thought, play strength wise, leverage wise, foot

791
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: speed wise, he could be a representative guard in the NFL. Now,

792
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 2: they just got to get him comfortable at guard right

793
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: and maybe there is something there with Caden Wallace, so

794
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: I'm holding out a little bit of hope with him.

795
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 2: I'm glad they decided to go this route because frankly,

796
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 2: I had given up on Cold Strange. Oh, as everybody knows,

797
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: I never really was on Cole Strange to begin with,

798
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 2: but I really just didn't ever see it with Cole Strange.

799
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 2: I never thought that Cole Strange showed well with the Patriots,

800
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 2: even going back, and I think there were some times

801
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 2: where people said, well, he's been good when he's been healthy.

802
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: I just never saw that with Strange, Like I think

803
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,919
Speaker 2: he was always someone that was in over his head

804
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: here in the league as a starter. So that's the

805
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: offensive line, the five that I expect, I think we

806
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: all expect to see week one, Campbell, Wilson, Bradberry on

807
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 2: when new Moses. I think that group is pretty much solidified.

808
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: I know that Vrabels left the door open to kind

809
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 2: of a competition there on the interior, but I think

810
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: they're best off with Ben Brown being the top backup

811
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: at center and left guard and rolling with Wilson and

812
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 2: brad Berry going into the season. Do you agree with that?

813
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

814
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, so next one on the list was a quarterback.

815
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 2: There's a lot of buzz, a lot of chatter in

816
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 2: the media sphere about them needing a third quarterback. Obviously

817
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 2: Ben Woolridge is not here anymore. It's just Josh Dobbs

818
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: and Drake May. I think that you that was what

819
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: was happening all along. I don't think there was any

820
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 2: real opportunity there to keep three quarterbacks on the roster.

821
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: You have the practice squad to carry quarterbacks nowadays, but

822
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: could you see them claiming or signing They're definitely gonna

823
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 2: sign a quarterback. Yeah, practice squad just to have the arm.

824
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: But could you see them signing or claiming like a

825
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: legitimate backup competition for Josh Dobbs.

826
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: Maybe Now, there's not that many of those guys out there.

827
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: I know Tommy DeVito has been floated. Who are the

828
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: other quarterbacks?

829
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: I read a couple down the veto McCord, Zappi, Jay

830
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 2: Hayner got cut by New Orleans.

831
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: On j Cayner.

832
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 2: Those were sort of the guys that are kicking around.

833
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: It's not it's not very much.

834
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: But I've heard another name that interests me in there.

835
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: I can't remember who was I've heard McCord's name a

836
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: little bit, and obviously everybody's on to veto you know

837
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: that that one's been popular.

838
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: Mike White, Mike White. I like Mike White's arm, so

839
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: I would take Mike White.

840
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 2: He's always had an NFL arm.

841
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: Desmond ridder.

842
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 2: Less, so on Desmond ridder.

843
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: Okay, Hendon Hooker, No, you know, you know, I'd be

844
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: in on Taylor el GERZMA. But he's a practice squad guy.

845
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was watching the other day in the background

846
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 2: and I think he was with the Packers.

847
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, he had a good, good camp.

848
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 2: Yeah he was. I was like, oh, that's Alice's guy.

849
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: Did Taylor Heineke get waved?

850
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: Yes?

851
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 1: So Heinikey, there was who's there was one other who

852
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: would like started games? Who was it? Oh Trevor Simeon.

853
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: So the point being like, if you're going to add

854
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: a guy to the fifty three, you're bringing in somebody

855
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: who's pushing Dobbs for the backup job. If they're worried

856
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 1: about Dobbs and what he did this summer, do.

857
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 2: You say they don't seem overly worried about it, to.

858
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: Which they don't. But I'm saying like if they were

859
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: going to Ye. So I know these names aren't going

860
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: to get anybody excited, but Sime and de veto Heinike, Like,

861
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: I just don't think you're gonna do Zappy because of

862
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: what it would do with the fan base. But like,

863
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: those are the kind of guys to me, you're going

864
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 1: to add to the fifty three somebody who could actually

865
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: who started games in the league, who you could turn

866
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: to rare or maybe Snoop Huntley. I you know, if

867
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: he's the kind of guy, he's been around, he has

868
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: some experienced pro bowler, I think technically, right, technically, outside

869
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: of that, if you're just looking for a scout team quarterback,

870
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: you keep that guy in the practice squad. Yeah, Like

871
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: that's that's all that is.

872
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a chance. I don't know how

873
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 2: high of a chance there is, but I do think

874
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 2: there's a chance. Now we do this every year with

875
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: the with the practice squad versus in waivers and all

876
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 2: that good stuff, more guys make it through waivers than

877
00:42:59,280 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: you think.

878
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: I think, Uh, who's somebody's talking about it yesterday? Oh,

879
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: Phil Perry. Two percent of players get claimed, right.

880
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: Two percent of players get claimed, So a lot of

881
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: these veteran quarterbacks that we're talking about that have some

882
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 2: name value that you got, Like everybody knows who Tommy

883
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 2: DeVito is like that have some name recognition. You'd be

884
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: surprised that a lot of these guys that are gonna

885
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 2: end up going unclaimed and you can sign those guys

886
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 2: to practice squadse. Now there's no rules against.

887
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: That, You're right, But there's also a tipping point of

888
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,479
Speaker 1: even if they don't get claimed, right, is de Vito

889
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: gonna get fifty you can still sign him to the

890
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: fifty three after they go and claimed, Like Defto's somebody

891
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: even if he doesn't get unclaimed, I would think is

892
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: going to have offers to be on a team's fifty

893
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: three man roster.

894
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: If he gets. If he goes unclaimed, though, then don't

895
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 2: I'd have to imagine that it would take an injury

896
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 2: or something like that to somebody's backup quarterback for him

897
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 2: to sign to a fifty three. Well why not just

898
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 2: claim them?

899
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 3: Uh?

900
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: You if you have someone with the contract you don't want.

901
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: Or isn't he on his rookie contract, I don't know.

902
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: Maybe you only want to put in X number of

903
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: claims based on the way your roster is structured, and

904
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: then you get through claims, you can get everybody you want. Okay, well,

905
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: now we have a spot that's available, Like there's there

906
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: could be any number of reasons it happens. It happens

907
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: a lot, and because sometimes you'll hear of guys. I

908
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: actually there was just a story somebody just had a

909
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: post about Sam Ellinger did this. Sam Ellinger had fifty

910
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: three man roster offers but turned them down because he

911
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 1: wanted to go to what he felt was the best situation,

912
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: which was Denver's practice squad. He felt like that was

913
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 1: a better situation for him than somebody's fifty three, which

914
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: can happen. Like you can absolutely be in that spot

915
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: where you look at it and say, all right, I'm

916
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: on the fifty three man roster here, but they could

917
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: cut me any week. If I'm on the practice squad,

918
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: I probably have more job security because they're not going

919
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: to move me from that. So there could be any

920
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: number of reasons that a guy doesn't get claimed and

921
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,479
Speaker 1: then still ultimately signed to a fifty three man roster,

922
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: especially at quarterback.

923
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough. I just wouldn't be surprised if some

924
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 2: of the names that we've listed off or on practice

925
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 2: squads to start to see.

926
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, they won't all be but DeVito's one real I'm like,

927
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: DeVito's probably gonna be on a fifty three man even

928
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: if he doesn't get claimed. Now, maybe it is the

929
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: Patriots fifty three. Maybe they deem him worthy of the

930
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: fifty three man spot. But you know, if he can

931
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: go to I don't know what the quarterback depth situation

932
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: is in other teams, but you know, because I just

933
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: I know they cut two quarterbacks just looking at that

934
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: list the Packers. The Packers want more depth, they'll put

935
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: to Vito on the practice squad, or he can come

936
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 1: beyond the roster. Here, Josh Dobbs is there, Like, what's

937
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 1: gonna happen. I'm gonna be there for three weeks. They're

938
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 1: gonna decide they like Dobbs better. I'm gonna get cut,

939
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: or I go to the practice practice squad where they

940
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: don't have a ton of quarterback depth. I'm not taking

941
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,959
Speaker 1: up a roster spot, so I'm not in danger being cut.

942
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: I get a full season of paychecks. Like that could be.

943
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: It would depend on the player. There'd be a lot

944
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: of variables in play, but I'm not ruling it out.

945
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 2: So the last thing on the quarterbacks and then we

946
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 2: can move on. Is there any there was There was

947
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 2: a narrative when they traded Joe Milton that they traded

948
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 2: Joe Milton to clear the runway. I think was Nay

949
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:05,439
Speaker 2: Grease's exact verbiage, Drake May, is there any credence sort

950
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 2: like does that factor into signing a third quarterback? Because

951
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 2: I don't think it will happen again with Zappy. I

952
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 2: don't think people. I don't think that's he's coming here.

953
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 2: I don't think that's happening again.

954
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: Okay, So that's stream example.

955
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 2: I think we're I think we're done with the Bailey

956
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 2: Zappy experience here in New England. With that being said,

957
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: a guy like Tommy DeVito if you saw what happened

958
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 2: with Tommy DeVito in New York.

959
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, but something that was like he's one of them.

960
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 2: I know, but I'm just kid. It's is there any

961
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 2: chance that they think about that? And I'm not saying

962
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: it could be DeVito, could be somebody else, but someone

963
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 2: that's had starting experience in the league, that's had a

964
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: taste of success. And if let's say the first month

965
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 2: of the season does not go well for the Patriots

966
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: or Drake May. All of a sudden, you get Tommy Cutlets,

967
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: you know, bringing in the Cutlets. Right, They're crazy for thinking.

968
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: The most popular not a bad team as the backup quarterback. Right, So,

969
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: which Bailey Zappy was that? Bailey Zay proved that in spades. Yeah,

970
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: there's always gonna be that element. It probably Look do

971
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: you remember when they claimed Matt Corral off waivers? There

972
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: were there were people who jumped from Zappy to Corral.

973
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: There were a bunch of people that thought Mant Corral

974
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: somehow was going to be the future here. Yeah, but

975
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: I think you have Josh Dobbs almost as that buffer

976
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: because okay, well that guy whoever he is, has to

977
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 1: pass Dobbs sure, right. If I don't know, maybe people

978
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: will just say, no, script Dobbs was bad Drake May's play. Yeah,

979
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: it's probably a little bit of it.

980
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 2: I don't know.

981
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: I don't think the player is out there of that caliber.

982
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: De Vito is probably the closest. But I think some

983
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: of that was the Jersey guy playing for the Giants, right,

984
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: if he had played at Foxborough High, maybe it's another story.

985
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't think so outside of Zappi,

986
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: which is a very unique situation because he has this,

987
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: I don't think happening. I don't think that's it. I

988
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: don't think Zappi's happening either.

989
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's the quarterbacks. A couple more things and

990
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 2: then we'll open it up. I promise. Now I went

991
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 2: out of order. Now I've lost my place. Oh to

992
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 2: u pas make it right at Efton Chisholm and Elijah Ponter.

993
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: So that's now twenty one out of the last twenty

994
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 2: two seasons at the Patriots going back to two thousand

995
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: and four, have carried an Okay, I have the list,

996
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 2: I do it. Do you want me to list all

997
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: of them? I know there's too many.

998
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: No, because I want to make sure you get every

999
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: single one of them.

1000
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I did get her for missing one guy

1001
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 2: that made didn't make it to week one but made

1002
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 2: the initial roster. Do you really want all of them?

1003
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: Do you really want me.

1004
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: To do you?

1005
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 2: Miss?

1006
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: Uh?

1007
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 2: I don't even remember the guy's name now, Randall Gay,

1008
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: Mike Wright, Peer Woods, Devin hur Hran, Matt Gutierrez, Gary Guyton,

1009
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 2: who's a good player, Gary, Brett Lockett, Brian Hoyer, of course,

1010
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 2: Steven Airy, Kyle Love, Dane Fletcher, Danny Aiken, Justin Francis,

1011
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 2: Marcus Forston, Brandon Bolden.

1012
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: Brandon Bolden shout out yeah.

1013
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 2: Twenty thirteen they had five Wait so.

1014
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: You missed Jeff Tarpinion again?

1015
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 2: Oh shoot yeah twenty eleven, Jeff Tarpini, Stop missing Jeff Tarpinion.

1016
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 2: Twenty thirteen they had won two, three, four, five, six guys.

1017
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 2: That roster was obviously in a turnover period. Joe Vilano,

1018
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 2: Kemberrol Thompkins, Zack Suddfield, Zack Sudfeld, Zachary sud filled the

1019
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 2: Gronka preseason, Josh Klein, Chris Barker and then punter Ryan Allen.

1020
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 2: This is where to give him his flowers. This is

1021
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: where Belichick hits a heater with the udfas twenty fourteen,

1022
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 2: Malcolm Butler YEP twenty fifteen. Chris Harper, Justin Coleman, David Andrews.

1023
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 2: We all remember Harper's muff Like that's a big deal obviously, David,

1024
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 2: like David Andrews, is a Patriot legend, Patriot Hall of Famer.

1025
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: Justin Coleman, underrated NFL underrated player. Did he go to

1026
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: Seattle or Detroit?

1027
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 2: Seattle? Solid NFL player, David Andrews Gonna wear a red

1028
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: jacket some day. Jonathan Jones, d J Foster the next year.

1029
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 2: So Jonathan Jones twenty sixteen, Absolute hit twenty seventeen. Adam Butler,

1030
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 2: good NFL player.

1031
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: He's sill in the league, I think, Yeah.

1032
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 2: Cole Crosston, Jacob Hollister, Harvey Longie.

1033
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: Jacob Hollster I think is still hanging around as well.

1034
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Adam Butler is a solid rotational interior pass rusher.

1035
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 2: Good player twenty eighteen. We can beat goes on.

1036
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: J C.

1037
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 2: Jackson very good one. All Pro twenty nineteen. Continues to

1038
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: just hit home runs here Kobe Myers, Gunnery Zchewski in

1039
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen.

1040
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: Another All Pro twenty twenty, JJ Taylor JJ Taylor still

1041
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: in the league somewhere. I know, yeah, because I saw

1042
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: the other day somebody Adhaim on a ross projection. He's

1043
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: still hanging around.

1044
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 2: All right, you're gonna love this one. Twenty twenty one.

1045
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it. You're in twenty twenty one.

1046
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 2: You know it. In stadium practice, Oh, Quinn Nordin Quinn

1047
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 2: Nordan Quinn Nordan made the initial riser.

1048
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 1: I don't think he made it. So this is where

1049
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: we started having to parse it because they had one

1050
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: year where somebody made where a UDIF it was on

1051
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: the initial roster but not on the week one, And

1052
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: then I think Taylor was on the week one but

1053
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: not on the initial roster. So we started splitting hairs

1054
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: at one point with this. Yeah, but it was it was,

1055
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: it was crawling, it was limping in the end at

1056
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 1: the end by nor Dean.

1057
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Twenty twenty two, Brendan Schooler good fine. DeMarcus Mitchell

1058
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 2: who did not hang around too much, but Brennan Schooler,

1059
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 2: he was.

1060
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: He was the cour special teamer for a little bit.

1061
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 2: He was Brendan Scoller obviously a first team All Pro

1062
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 2: special teamer, so that that was a good one. Twenty

1063
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 2: twenty three none, that was when they streak ended.

1064
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: But they only had three udfa's that he was Malik Cunningham.

1065
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: Milike Cunningham is Jordan Halig and Johnny Lumpkin.

1066
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: So I would say Milike Cunningham is probably the best

1067
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 2: player out of those three. He was in Baltimore's training

1068
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 2: camp again this year on their ninety man roster, he

1069
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 2: did not make it.

1070
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: Johnny Umkin was with the Packers, he got cut. Okay,

1071
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 1: I take Johnny Lumpkin back and he's a blocking tight.

1072
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 2: End twenty twenty four, and this player stuck on the

1073
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 2: roster this year as well. Del pettis yep, so he's

1074
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 2: made it two years in a row, and them now

1075
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, Elijah Ponder and Eftin Chisholm aka Julian

1076
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 2: Edelman aka Danny Handola.

1077
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: So the reason I kind of wanted you to go

1078
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: through that, other than making sure you credited Jeff Tarpinion.

1079
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 2: Sorry I forgot Jeff Tarpinion.

1080
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: There's a wide range players on there. Yeah, so like,

1081
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: well we'll see what these guys becoming can there's a

1082
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: lot of range as to what these udfas can be.

1083
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: To be fair, though, there is a lot of hits

1084
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 2: on that list for undrafted rookie free agents, Like there's

1085
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 2: that's a pretty good list, even guys like we mentioned

1086
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 2: a guy like Gary Goyden. Gary Guiten's not Malcolm Butler,

1087
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 2: and he's not David Andrews or Jonathan Jones, but Gary

1088
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 2: Goeiten was a solid linebacker.

1089
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: Serviceable player, which if you get again, this is the

1090
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: guy you didn't draft, right, you just got you found.

1091
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 2: So I don't think either one of us are too

1092
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 2: surprised that Ponder and Chishm made the roster.

1093
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: Though No, Ponder was a little bit of a late

1094
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: push for me. I just thought Truman Jones was having

1095
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: a good camp by thought they'd keep Bradon Swinston for

1096
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,439
Speaker 1: the upside. But he Ponder made that clear the last week,

1097
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: week and a half.

1098
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 2: Special teams obviously a big impact there will you have.

1099
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's gonna play a ton on

1100
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 2: defense as a rookie. We'll see if he has a

1101
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 2: game day role as well, maybe as a corese special teamer.

1102
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 2: He does push for a game day roll. And then

1103
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 2: of course Chisholm, I don't after that drive in Minnesota

1104
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago in the second preseason game,

1105
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 2: the book was close on like Chishm was making this team. Yeah,

1106
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 2: I don't think there was any question or any doubt

1107
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 2: with Chishm there that that conversation ended when he went

1108
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 2: nuclear on that one drive. Four catches, sixty three yards

1109
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 2: and a touchdown on one drive against the twos and

1110
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 2: that that was all she wrote. That was afton Chisholm

1111
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 2: on the team. So that was your UDFA check in

1112
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 2: two more one. Uh, that was just near and dear

1113
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: to my heart, Marty Mapu making the roster outline back.

1114
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 2: I love it. Never wrong, just early Marty Mapu linebacker

1115
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 2: in full swaying now gets a little bit of help

1116
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 2: with Julyan Device starting the year on ir so that

1117
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 2: kind of opened the door. But he beats out cam

1118
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 2: Riley Monte Rice like some of those other guys for

1119
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 2: that fourth linebacker spot. I am cautiously excited about Martey

1120
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 2: Mopu playing linebacker. I think that he might actually be

1121
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: a serviceable coverage linebacker and special teamer. You play him

1122
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 2: on third downs obvious past situations. I think there's a

1123
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 2: chance here for Martin Mapu to stick because they don't

1124
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 2: necessarily have linebackers outside of him that I feel great

1125
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 2: about in man to man coverage on backs and tight ends.

1126
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 2: Like I'm not putting him on brock Bowers in Week one, right,

1127
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 2: but if they play a team that has like a

1128
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 2: more run of the mill tight end or a running

1129
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 2: back out of the backfield, I feel a lot better

1130
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 2: about Marte Mapu covering those types of guys than Christian

1131
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 2: Ellis or Robert Splain. Am I am I crazy for

1132
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 2: thinking that no, no set seems like he's better at

1133
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 2: it than those guys. So I'm I'm I'm excited. I'm

1134
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 2: you know, obviously I've been pumping the tires and banging

1135
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 2: the table for Marte mo Mapu to play a linebacker.

1136
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 2: I'm glad that they finally moved him there. It obviously

1137
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 2: fits in this defense because you want those linebackers to

1138
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 2: be faster, more sidelined to sideline players, so you don't

1139
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 2: necessarily need them to be doing you know, holding up

1140
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 2: blockers and taking on pulling guards and like all that

1141
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 2: good stuff that they used to do in the old defense.

1142
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 2: That's not necessarily the way that they're gonna use their

1143
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 2: linebackers this year. So his skill set definitely can fit

1144
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 2: what they're trying to do. So that's the roster. I

1145
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 2: think that, like we said, off the top, no like

1146
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 2: real surprises, Like I wasn't blown away by anything. This

1147
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 2: was not Cam Newton getting cut in twenty twenty one

1148
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 2: level of a cut down day, but still some intrigue

1149
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: and still some interesting things to break down. So we'll

1150
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 2: open it up to you guys here in a second.

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1170
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Speaker 2: take your emails. Thanks for hanging on, Sean and Vancouver

1171
00:56:58,280 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 2: you're up first. What's up, Sean?

1172
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, I'm actually in Montreal right now, but yeah,

1173
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 4: still from Vancouver. So the question I have is we

1174
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 4: spoke about this a while ago. Jack Westover made the

1175
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 4: team as we expected, but Evan, you were saying if

1176
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 4: another full back was cut, they might change that. So

1177
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 4: what do you think the chances are that they'll pick

1178
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 4: up Yakub Johnson now that he was cut from the Texans.

1179
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call. Sean in Montreal, moving around Canada,

1180
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 2: ID no inside information whatsoever on Yakub Johnson. I'm still

1181
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 2: going to say it's high. I think there's a high

1182
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 2: chance that Yakub Johnson is on this team. Let's say

1183
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 2: by the end of the day today or tomorrow. It

1184
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 2: might be the practice squad, because not every team needs

1185
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 2: a full back, right, so it might be the practice

1186
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 2: squad at first. But I never I was impressed by

1187
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 2: how quickly Jack Westover picked up the role. In terms

1188
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 2: of the processing and the mental aspect of it. Full

1189
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 2: back is one of those things where there is some

1190
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 2: processing you have to. I think the biggest thing is

1191
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 2: is that you want to make your offensive lineman right.

1192
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 2: So if your offensive lineman gets beat at the first level,

1193
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 2: you want to take first color and block the guy

1194
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 2: that's the most the biggest threat to the ball carrier,

1195
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 2: even if that's not necessarily your assignment. So there is

1196
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 2: some post snap recognition or processing that it takes to

1197
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 2: play full back, just to keep you know, on your

1198
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 2: pie's and q's. It's not always going to be the

1199
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 2: guy that you draw it up to be that you're

1200
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 2: gonna block, so you do have to make adjustments on

1201
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 2: the fly. I was impressed with the way that Westover

1202
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 2: adjusted to that, but I still look at him, and

1203
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 2: I look at his build and the way he carries

1204
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 2: his way. I still think he's a little bit of

1205
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 2: an upright, you know, uh taller kind.

1206
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: Of listed the same build as Devlin and Johnson.

1207
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 2: He's not He's not built like's not built like those guys.

1208
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: No, I'm with you. I was surprised when I saw

1209
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: that they're going to add a fullback. I feel pretty

1210
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: confident about that, whether Johnson or somebody else. The one

1211
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: thing I've seen people point out it's a fair point.

1212
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: With Yakub Johnson, fallbacks generally don't have very long careers. Now,

1213
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: if he wants to still play, I think he can

1214
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: still play, but he is at seventy games. I think

1215
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: James Devilin played eighty three, so you know, if he's good,

1216
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: he might have won season.

1217
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 2: Left.

1218
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: Now all you need him for is really this season.

1219
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,439
Speaker 1: Then you can readdress it or brock Lamp he comes

1220
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: back or whatever.

1221
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's happening. I'm telling you, I have no

1222
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 2: inside information, but it's I.

1223
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: Just hit noon. So I thought when you said that,

1224
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: you really happened, because we're gonna get.

1225
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 2: No, he's not. He's he's an invested veteran, so he's not.

1226
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 2: He doesn't have to go through waivers. But I I

1227
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 2: think that they're going to bring back Yakub Johnson because

1228
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 2: he's just more traditionally. I know maybe they are listed

1229
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 2: at the same size, but based off the eyes and

1230
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing is just flexibility and leverage

1231
00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 2: to get underneath blocks. I still think Westover is truly

1232
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 2: a tight end. Like he blocks up right, he blocks higher,

1233
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 2: whereas like a guy like Yakub Johnson or James Devil,

1234
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 2: and they were so good at getting underneath guys and

1235
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,919
Speaker 2: really leveraging blocks. I still don't look at west Over now.

1236
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 2: The one thing in to be pro Westover just for

1237
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 2: a second, just to play Devil's advocate. He definitely has

1238
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 2: a little bit more versatility than a guy like Yakub Johnson,

1239
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 2: where in theory he could catch some passes coming out

1240
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 2: of the backfield. I don't know if you're ever going

1241
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 2: to really target Yakub Johnson in the progression, like maybe

1242
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 2: if he's a checkdown or a backside checkdown or leak

1243
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 2: out into the flat, you might get to him eventually

1244
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 2: at some point. But west Over, because of his tight

1245
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 2: end background, you know, I could see west Over running

1246
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 2: routes like I could see him coming out of the

1247
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 2: backfield and getting into the scene or the rail, you know,

1248
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 2: out on the wheel like things like that, Like he

1249
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 2: could potentially do that. So there's a little bit more

1250
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 2: I would say, like he's more of like a move

1251
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 2: tight end or an h back then just like a

1252
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 2: traditional fullback. So if they want to have that role

1253
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 2: be a little bit more dynamic in terms of pass catching,

1254
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 2: I suppose you could make that argument that Westover could

1255
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 2: go ahead and do that. But if you're just looking

1256
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:16,439
Speaker 2: for the battering Ram, the James Devlin of it all,

1257
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 2: then Yakub Johnson coming back to this team, I think

1258
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 2: makes a whole lot of sense. Hugh is in Atlanta.

1259
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 2: What's up, Hugh. We'll get Hugh back on the line.

1260
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 2: He's been trying. Do you want my practice squad? I

1261
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 2: know we're gonna do this at the end of the

1262
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 2: of the day, probably anyways, get it before.

1263
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 1: I'm hoping we get any second.

1264
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 2: Now, well, we'll get the waiver claims. Practice squad will

1265
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 2: be a little bit slower to fill out. So here

1266
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 2: are the guys that I wrote down that I feel

1267
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 2: like I would want back on the practice squad because

1268
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 2: my opinion really matters.

1269
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: Real quick, Kyle Hamilton for your one hundred million dollar extension.

1270
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 2: Resets the safety market. Yep, let's take h I think

1271
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 2: he's on here, and then we'll do my practice squad.

1272
01:01:55,760 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 2: All right, here, you're there, Hey, what's up you?

1273
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: Hey?

1274
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 5: So I just I just I'm prob you guys, tell

1275
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 5: me you.

1276
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 2: Turn them up just a little bit. We can't we

1277
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 2: can't hear him too well? What's that ce all? Right,

1278
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 2: try again. What do you got y? Yeah? We go?

1279
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 2: Oh man, you all right? He call it? Call back

1280
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 2: in and we'll try one more time. I'll give you

1281
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 2: my practice squad. Here we go, all right. So here

1282
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 2: I have fourteen guys that were in camp with the Patriots.

1283
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 2: David Olgiga doesn't count. They can sign him as a

1284
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 2: free spot as an international pathway player, so he doesn't count.

1285
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 2: And then I also did right down a quarterback three.

1286
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 2: I did your placeholder thing, and I put a quarterback

1287
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 2: three as a fifteen guy. Now they can carry sixteen.

1288
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 2: So I would say that either I'm going to be

1289
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 2: wrong or which is most likely, or maybe they'll they'll

1290
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 2: sign some guys from out of house that are practice

1291
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 2: squad players. But here were the fourteen guys that were

1292
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 2: in camp with the Patriots that I'd like to see

1293
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 2: them keep and continue to work with. Miles Battle, Yep,

1294
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 2: Brayden Swinson, Kobe Minor, Truman, Jones, John Giles, Parker, Romo

1295
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 2: g Scott Junior, Jeremiah Webb, Jack Conley, Mackai Butler. Jamichael

1296
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 2: Hasty is a vested veteran, but you could sign him

1297
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 2: to the practice squad as such. Terrell Jennings, cam Riley,

1298
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,479
Speaker 2: and Javari Retzi. I think of all fourteen of those

1299
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 2: guys I thought showed enough in the preseason and in

1300
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 2: the practices that i'd be I'd be. I'd call that

1301
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 2: my ideal practice squad.

1302
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: Did you know Jeremiah Webb on there?

1303
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 2: I did have Jeremy Webb, and you didn't have Warrig,

1304
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 2: I didn't I have Woolridge. I have a fifteen spot

1305
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 2: reserved for a third quarterback yep, placeholder, yep. Was there

1306
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 2: anybody that I missed?

1307
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: So if I had to go through mine Miles Battle, Yes,

1308
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 1: Jack Conley, yep. G Scott, Jamichael Hasty, Terrell Jennings, Truman Jones,

1309
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 1: Kobe Minor. I'm not gonna count a Legg. I'm just

1310
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: going to sixteen. Parker Romo, Braden Swinson, Jeremiah Webb. That's ten.

1311
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: Kyle Pecko. I thought about Kyle and so that's eleven.

1312
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 2: I thought about Kyle Peco. I thought Kyle Pecko had

1313
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 2: a nice preseason and probably just caught on a little

1314
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:22,439
Speaker 2: bit too late.

1315
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he has the familiarity with Rabel.

1316
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1317
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: I thought about him as another vestigation that would be

1318
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: my group. Now I think it's going to be pretty

1319
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: significantly new guys. I think around half new guys, just

1320
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: based on the way Vrabel stocked. And that'll be the quarterback,

1321
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: that'll maybe be a full back. Maybe it's a different

1322
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 1: tight end because Dupree is a pure pass catcher. Maybe

1323
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: they keep I could see them keeping two tight ends. Scott, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Scott,

1324
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: Thank you, Scott. And then there's also the elements of

1325
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: all right, if they claim guys on waivers, right, like,

1326
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: all right, you know whoever they cut, like Javon Baker,

1327
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 1: You're gonna try to get there if they cut him,

1328
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: or Kite Wallace if they cut him. Those to me

1329
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 1: are like the first two guys maybe born who are off.

1330
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 1: I guess that's the other question. I put this on

1331
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: on Twitter last night. I did a poll, Evan, I

1332
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 1: did a poll on Twitter. Oh fancy how many new

1333
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 1: players will be added to the Patriots fifty three man

1334
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,959
Speaker 1: roster between the initial roster in Week one and did zero,

1335
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: one to two, three to four and five plus.

1336
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to go one to two. I think it's

1337
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 2: gonna be less than people think.

1338
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: People were overwhelmingly in the three to four.

1339
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be less than people think.

1340
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be three to four.

1341
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be less. I could be wrong.

1342
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 2: I just knowing what we know about waivers, and if

1343
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 2: they had carried, if they had put born on ir

1344
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 2: and maybe even carried fifty two guys, and I would

1345
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 2: be with the Lions.

1346
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 1: Keep fifty I think I saw that.

1347
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, teams have done that all. You know, the Patriots

1348
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 2: did it very famously with Bill in the beginning. I

1349
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 2: think he only kept fifty two guys. So it's been

1350
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 2: done many times. I think if I'm just looking at

1351
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 2: the practice squad guys that we were talking about, the

1352
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 2: guys I feel really strongly about that. I want back

1353
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 2: that I pound the table for Miles Battle. I think

1354
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 2: that not only in terms of playing cornerback, but I

1355
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 2: also think they have a special team's developmental plan in

1356
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 2: mind for him.

1357
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Miles Battle.

1358
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 2: Truman Jones, who I thought made the team. I had

1359
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 2: him on my unofficial fifties three man roster projection. I

1360
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 2: thought he was gonna make it.

1361
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 1: Thought John Giles I think has been Did I not

1362
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 1: say John Giles before I meant to say John Giles?

1363
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:25,919
Speaker 2: I think John Giles has flashed. I would keep.

1364
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: John Giles, I keep him in Web around.

1365
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think John Giles. I'm a little higher on

1366
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 2: Giles than Web, but I keep both of them. And

1367
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 2: then Parker Romo should be here.

1368
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 1: He's he showed some juices a.

1369
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 2: He did. That's fair.

1370
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: So that's why I keep like because that's going to

1371
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: be an important role this year that I think people

1372
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 1: don't realize.

1373
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. So I that's the way I look

1374
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 2: at it right now. In terms of the practice squad,

1375
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 2: it'd be interesting to see how many of the guys

1376
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 2: that are on assigned to the practice squad were with

1377
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 2: the team in camp, because that might be where you

1378
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 2: have the turnover, Like I said, one to two guys

1379
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 2: in terms of the fifty three man roster, but the

1380
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 2: practice squad, it might be that might be worth They

1381
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 2: use is like kind of a tryout basis to get

1382
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 2: some new bodies in here. All right, let's try one

1383
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 2: more time here. This is your last chance though, all right,

1384
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 2: what do you got here?

1385
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 3: All right?

1386
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 6: You guys got you now?

1387
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 3: Yes?

1388
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 6: So I feel like I feel like the fruit of

1389
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 6: the looma logo, how it's changed and how they you know,

1390
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 6: try to make it seem like it wasn't how it

1391
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 6: was with Ben Brown. Can you guys give me three

1392
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:36,919
Speaker 6: skills that Garrett Bradberry possesses that Ben Brown doesn't, and

1393
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 6: without mentioning leadership and experience, please thank you?

1394
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 2: Hey, Hugh, you got a good point besides leadership and experience.

1395
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: All right, that is one of them. You can't just

1396
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: throw that out.

1397
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 2: The one, the one I would give just to be

1398
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 2: fair to Ben. To Garrett Bradberry, he's more athletic than

1399
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 2: Ben Brown. Yeah, he's a better athlete. He's a first

1400
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 2: round athlete, and he moves latterly and up to the

1401
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 2: second level a lot faster than Ben Brown does. I

1402
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 2: think that's the biggest concern that I would have about

1403
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 2: Ben Brown at guard, because you do want those guys

1404
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 2: to get up to the linebackers and stuff a lot

1405
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 2: more than what you do with your center most of

1406
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 2: the time. And Garrett Bradbury is in athletics center. That's

1407
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:18,679
Speaker 2: what got him drafted in the first round. Like, that's

1408
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 2: why he's had success in this league. That's why he's

1409
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 2: been a starter in the league for six years. So

1410
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 2: he's a I would say, if you wanted like a

1411
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 2: physical trait of what Bradberry is better at than Ben Brown,

1412
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 2: it would be athleticism and range from the center position.

1413
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 2: But Ben Brown's got size on him, He's got play strength,

1414
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:46,760
Speaker 2: I would say, on Garrett Bradbury, and I guess if

1415
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 2: you want to use youth as like a positive right

1416
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 2: like he's let's tread on the tires as well. But

1417
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 2: if you wanted a physical attribute that Bradbury has over Brown,

1418
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 2: I'd say athleticism. All right, Williams and Philly, what's up? William?

1419
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 3: Hey?

1420
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 7: Hey up?

1421
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 2: And how you doing good? How are you all right?

1422
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: Hey?

1423
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 5: It's like hey, now, well one one question that's not

1424
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 5: related to football. Another question is I'll just start with

1425
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 5: the one that is first, Alic, if you talk about

1426
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 5: what was the receiver you told me to look up

1427
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 5: from Arizona's state, His name is Tyson.

1428
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 1: Jordan Tyson, Arizona State.

1429
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 5: Right, all right, look with the Patriots history right of

1430
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 5: not be even too as far as get a receiver

1431
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 5: or as far as drafting one or developing one or

1432
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 5: anything like that. Only why I put only why I

1433
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 5: told you Twain twenty seven though, is because I'm looking

1434
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 5: at what's going on with the Patriot though you always

1435
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 5: getting receivers that's thirty something years old, you know what

1436
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 5: I mean, or or or you're drafting one that that

1437
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 5: you you drafted the wrong one in the second, third round,

1438
01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 5: something in that magnitude whatever, you know, It just seems

1439
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,679
Speaker 5: like it just it seems to me like they're setting

1440
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 5: things up for twenty twenty seven for the pictures.

1441
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 3: To do that, you know what I mean.

1442
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 5: Like my idea would be like, Okay, would you want

1443
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 5: to take your the first round pick between twenty six

1444
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 5: traded for I traded for twenty twenty seven that when

1445
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 5: you have two first round picks and do whatever. I

1446
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 5: don't know, I'm just saying that. I know that might

1447
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 5: not be the great idea whatnot, but that's that's just

1448
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 5: something I thought about. Though I don't know if y'all

1449
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 5: would want to do that or anything like that. You know,

1450
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 5: just they need a number one receiver bottom line period,

1451
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 5: you know, I mean, a guy that can do it all,

1452
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 5: that's a threat and everything, you know what I mean,

1453
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 5: and they we haven't had that since Randy Moss.

1454
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I mean, I just if you're nobody's

1455
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 1: trading out of the Jeremiah Smith or Ryan Williams picks.

1456
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 1: They're just not going to trade out of that pick.

1457
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 1: And if you're picking high enough to take one of

1458
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: those guys, things have gone. They should not be in

1459
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 1: that position. That would be more bad than good. As

1460
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:57,719
Speaker 1: good as those players are, they should be out of range.

1461
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 1: So you know, I don't think you just win to

1462
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 1: take a receiver until the perfect guy comes along. If

1463
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 1: you're not in the right position, you're you're now in

1464
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,759
Speaker 1: serious trouble. So they can't just not take a receiver

1465
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 1: this year because maybe we'll give up the entire franchise

1466
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 1: to draft Jeremiah Smith in twenty twenty seven. Any number

1467
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 1: of things can happen between now and then that could

1468
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,639
Speaker 1: get You can't have that long term of a plan

1469
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 1: for one player in the draft.

1470
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 5: Okay, And my question is basically, all right, so this

1471
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 5: is not about football, all right, So you'll be on

1472
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 5: ninety eight point point five a sports hub whatnot? Yeah,

1473
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 5: could you tell me like the music that they be playing,

1474
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:33,640
Speaker 5: it's just instrumental like rock music. I think that's what

1475
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 5: it is. Can you tell me where could I get different?

1476
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: Where what the music they're using is bad music?

1477
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1478
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 7: That's what?

1479
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question.

1480
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 1: I I we don't have like a playlist. Maybe we should,

1481
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 1: that's a good question.

1482
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 2: I'm sure you like have a library that you guys

1483
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 2: pay for that has like instrumentals and like non copywritten music.

1484
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: Well, are you talking about just in general, like one

1485
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 1: specific song?

1486
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 3: Well?

1487
01:11:58,360 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 8: Was it's just something?

1488
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 5: But it's just instrumental, That's what I saw it is.

1489
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 5: Yet they don't play nothing but vocals anything mean by

1490
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 5: saying it is just it is just instrumental, that's all

1491
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 5: it is.

1492
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:09,679
Speaker 1: Well, some of that is songs that have a longer

1493
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 1: instrumental intro and some of it I think it's just

1494
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 1: going on YouTube and finding instrumentals. There's not one specific. Yeah,

1495
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 1: I don't think there's like a big database.

1496
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 2: I always found that thanks for the comedy, and I

1497
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 2: always found that interesting about your station is that you

1498
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 2: play copyright music and don't get in trouble for it.

1499
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 2: Is that like an like because you're actually on the

1500
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 2: rate like the physical.

1501
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 1: There is I don't know you pay the answer to this,

1502
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to get anybody in trouble. I think

1503
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 1: it has something to do with because the company that

1504
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 1: owns the sports hub, which is easily so they run

1505
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,679
Speaker 1: ninety six nine and you know some other stations.

1506
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 2: That makes sense because we can't play at music like

1507
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 2: that here.

1508
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 1: Right, So I think that they I think the company

1509
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 1: that owns the sports Tub has the license and it

1510
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 1: just it covers all of those stations.

1511
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. So I back to his football

1512
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 2: question about the wide receivers. I want to We were

1513
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 2: talking about this yesterday on PU. One of my goals

1514
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:06,560
Speaker 2: for this season for the Patriots is to make themselves

1515
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 2: a desirable destination for star talent. In twenty twenty six,

1516
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 2: I think.

1517
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 1: I will say it's free agent wide receiver. Clear the

1518
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 1: pre agent class is not great.

1519
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 2: You can quantify that, though, however you want to quantify it.

1520
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 2: But the next time. I don't know if it's going

1521
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 2: to happen this time around because they're not there yet.

1522
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 2: But let's just say the next offseason when the next

1523
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 2: disgruntled wide receiver isn't going to get traded but acts

1524
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:33,879
Speaker 2: like he's going to get traded asked for a trade.

1525
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 2: I want the Patriots to not get Brandon Aiyuke to

1526
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 2: get right or Calvin ridleyed in free agency. I think

1527
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:43,759
Speaker 2: that's a big part and quantify that however, it looks

1528
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 2: make the playoffs win, you double your win total. Maybe

1529
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 2: it's just Drake May looks like a guy like if

1530
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 2: Drake May has Justin Herbert is rookie season, I want

1531
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 2: to say only one like four or five games, but

1532
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 2: Herbert looked unreal, and so maybe it's just that whole thing.

1533
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:04,679
Speaker 2: But making yourself a desirable destination. For William to finally

1534
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 2: get his number one receiver, I think is a really

1535
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,599
Speaker 2: big deal for them. They need to make the New

1536
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 2: England and the Patriots a desirable team again.

1537
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 1: So I'll just throw this out there. The pre agents

1538
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 1: for next year, So these will be the guys that

1539
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 1: are entering a contract year in twenty twenty six, So

1540
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 1: essentially what McLaurin and met Kalf and all these guys

1541
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 1: were this year. Tell me if you're interested. Drake London, Yes,

1542
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 1: but he's gonna get extended. Darnell Mooney, No, they have enough.

1543
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 1: Darnell Mooney's JSN.

1544
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:34,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he'll get extended.

1545
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 1: Michael Pittman, Maybe Tyreek Hill.

1546
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 2: Michael Pittman, didn't he sign an extension with the Colts. No,

1547
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:45,640
Speaker 2: he's on this. I think I thought he got a

1548
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:47,680
Speaker 2: new using over the cap. Maybe maybe it was a

1549
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 2: short term, maybe it was a franchise tag. I mean

1550
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 2: this is essentially a two year he signed. Okay, he

1551
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 2: signed a three year deal. Yeah, so going into last season,

1552
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,839
Speaker 2: so that will be ye into last year that extension.

1553
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:00,680
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah. So the your guys you have trade

1554
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 1: for these aren't free agency? Is the pre agent Michael Pittman?

1555
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 2: I probably would, just because he's complimentary to what they have.

1556
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 1: All right, Tyreek Hill, No Zay Flowers, yeah, obviously, but

1557
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 1: no Jordan Addison.

1558
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 2: Okay, we have some Patriots breaking news. Okay, Kendrick Bourne

1559
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 2: has been released by the Patriots, according to Tom Pelisaro.

1560
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 2: So Kendrick Bourn makes the team yesterday. And this is

1561
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 2: when we always joke about the rosters. It's fluid and

1562
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 2: it's in flux. Kendrick Bourn has been released by the Patriots.

1563
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 2: This is from Pelisaro. And now everybody's.

1564
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: Adam Schefter saying he requested his release.

1565
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 2: So he requested his release. That's what Adam Schefter is saying. Yep,

1566
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 2: requested his release. So Kendrick Bourne vested veteran so that

1567
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:51,560
Speaker 2: means that he does not have to go through waivers.

1568
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 2: So now Kendrick Bourne, if released by the Patriots, which

1569
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 2: he was according to these reports, is now free to

1570
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 2: sign with any of the thirty one team in the league,

1571
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 2: so he does not have to go through the waiver process.

1572
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 2: This is not the breaking news I was expecting us

1573
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 2: to get on the show. But I'm glad we had

1574
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 2: got some breaking news on the show, Alex. Just your

1575
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 2: instant reaction to this.

1576
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 1: If I can just wax poetic about Kendrick Bourne for

1577
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 1: a second, do it, because you know how I feel

1578
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 1: about Kendrick Borne. Like I think Kendrick Bourne was a

1579
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 1: fine I think Kendrick Bourne was a good player, and

1580
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 1: he was on a thousand yard pace in twenty twenty

1581
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 1: one before he got cold. He would have been the

1582
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 1: patriots only thousand yard receivers sin settlement. If he doesn't

1583
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 1: get sick that year, comes back the next year, and

1584
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 1: that should have been like they should have been able

1585
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 1: to build on that. Matt Patricia's offense was a mess.

1586
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 1: He gets in the doghouse over some stuff he really

1587
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:43,600
Speaker 1: should not have been in the doghouse for that's a

1588
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 1: lost year. The next year in twenty twenty three, okay,

1589
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 1: ken Kendrick Bourne, and I think he signed an extension

1590
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 1: before that year, before twenty twenty four, but comes back

1591
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. Okay, let's try this again. Let's

1592
01:16:57,160 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 1: see what he can do. And he was not bad

1593
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 1: off the rip his full season pace over the first

1594
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:08,640
Speaker 1: eight games eighty catches, eight hundred and sixty yards, eight touchdowns.

1595
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 1: That would have been his full season pace. That's a

1596
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 1: solid season. That would have been one of their better

1597
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 1: wide receiver seasons in a while. Tears ACL in Miami

1598
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 1: before Halloween season's over comes back last year, misses the

1599
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:21,839
Speaker 1: beginning of the season, he's coming off to torn ACL

1600
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 1: and look, I know you guys get on me that

1601
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 1: I won't quit Kendrick Bourne at this point and will admit,

1602
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 1: thirty years old, it's coming off torn ACL chasing a

1603
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 1: season that he had four years ago is just not realistic. Yep,

1604
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 1: he was, And it's not so much reflection on this

1605
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 1: coaching staff, because again, I think at this point it

1606
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 1: is what it is. He's one of the bigger wasted offer,

1607
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:44,799
Speaker 1: not waste wasted potential or missed potential that I've covered,

1608
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 1: and I think that's much more on the team than him.

1609
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 1: He definitely wasn't perfect, but I think he was a

1610
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 1: real fine in that twenty twenty one free agency class,

1611
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 1: and they just were constantly missing each other, like they

1612
01:17:56,920 --> 01:18:00,799
Speaker 1: never the window was never truly open and capitalized twenty

1613
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:04,480
Speaker 1: one season, and that sucks because he loved his mentality,

1614
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 1: loved his mental makeup, loved his approach. I think he

1615
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 1: he already was kind of a fan favorite, but a

1616
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 1: guy that would have been really cool to see succeed here.

1617
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 1: If we were to do like the short list of

1618
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 1: guys I wish played with Brady after Brady left, he

1619
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 1: might be at the top of that list. He's up there.

1620
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 1: It's like him and Hunter Henry. But you know, we'll

1621
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 1: see if he comes back on the practice squad. My

1622
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 1: guess would be no. Since he requested his release, doesn't

1623
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 1: seem like I wish him the best elsewhere. That sucks

1624
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 1: because there was real potential there for him to make

1625
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:35,760
Speaker 1: a difference in between injuries and bad coaching. It just

1626
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 1: never happened.

1627
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:39,759
Speaker 2: So I agree with everything he said. Kendrick Bourne also,

1628
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 2: and I know this doesn't mean anything to anybody else

1629
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 2: besides maybe the Beat, but just one of my favorite

1630
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 2: people to talk to in the locker room over the

1631
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:51,679
Speaker 2: last couple of years. I really enjoyed his press conference

1632
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 2: is getting to know him a little bit. Always a

1633
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:56,680
Speaker 2: smile on his face, always a nice dude. One thing.

1634
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 2: I know again that nobody else cares about this, but

1635
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 2: I just think it's saying he knew a lot of

1636
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 2: us by name, and like cared to know a lot

1637
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 2: of us by name. I thought that was really cool.

1638
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:11,440
Speaker 2: Just a really genuine good dude, like good spirited.

1639
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1640
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:15,839
Speaker 2: Always, Like I said, like you laid it out perfectly

1641
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 2: in terms of his run here, it wasn't all sunshines

1642
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 2: and rainbows for Kendrick Bourne in terms of what was

1643
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 2: going on with the Patriots and what was going on

1644
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 2: with him injuries twenty twenty two. The coaching staff didn't

1645
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 2: like him for whatever reason that he gets hurt in

1646
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 2: twenty three, when he was having a career start to

1647
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 2: the year, in twenty three with Bill O'Brien tears his

1648
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 2: ACL and halfway through twenty twenty three, so there was

1649
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 2: all sorts of reasons for Kendrick Bourne to be MOPy,

1650
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 2: to be disgruntled, to be disappointed, and he just never

1651
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:47,600
Speaker 2: was any of those things. So I give him a

1652
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,720
Speaker 2: lot of credit for that. He's a pros pro in

1653
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 2: terms of all that kind of stuff. Now in terms

1654
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 2: of the roster, we all got the roster yesterday and

1655
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 2: saw eight wide receivers and were like, not surprised. This

1656
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 2: is not just annable. There's too many receivers here.

1657
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 1: So a little more I from Mandra Callahan here. The

1658
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 1: Patriots are releasing wide receiver Kendrick Bourne upon request after

1659
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 1: they failed to finalize a trade that would have sent

1660
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 1: him to Minnesota. Per source, Born is healthy and it

1661
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 1: was expected to practice he've made in New England, So

1662
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 1: why did he make the initial roster. They wanted to

1663
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 1: work the trade out right, They couldn't get the trade

1664
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 1: done by four o'clock yesterday. They spent more time the

1665
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:26,520
Speaker 1: feel and trade happens this morning. That doors now closed.

1666
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 1: He gets released.

1667
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 2: Great point, great great connection there with Adam Feelin because

1668
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 2: similar kind of receiver, right that was this morning, right, yeah, yeah,

1669
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 2: and similar kind of receivers. I think they were going

1670
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 2: to play similar roles in Minnesota if Minnesota had acquired them.

1671
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:42,679
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised that it's the Vikings that were interested,

1672
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,760
Speaker 2: not that Kendrick Born practiced in those joint practices, but

1673
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 2: they obviously had a lot of back and forth behind

1674
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 2: the scenes between Vrabel and Kevin O'Connell. I'm sure during

1675
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 2: that week where they probably talked about each other's rosters

1676
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 2: and the players that might become available. So I was

1677
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 2: expecting that maybe there would be some roster change of

1678
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:05,679
Speaker 2: you know, exchanging going on between the Patriots and Vikings.

1679
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 2: For that reason, you laid it out nicely in terms

1680
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 2: of the ups and downs for Kendrick Bourne. I talked

1681
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 2: about at the beginning of the show with the eight

1682
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 2: wide receiver thing, It just I couldn't really envision a

1683
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 2: game day role for Kendrick Born. Here there was the

1684
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:26,879
Speaker 2: five guys that we all have been mentioning at nauseum

1685
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:30,560
Speaker 2: that are really the top five in that room. Diggs, Douglas,

1686
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 2: Booty Hollins, Kyle Williams. Those five guys are the guys

1687
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 2: that I feel like are gonna have a chance to

1688
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 2: play on game day on offense, Eft and Chisholm. I

1689
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 2: think it might be a guy that's on the outside

1690
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 2: looking into It's one thing to have an undrafted rookie

1691
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 2: be a healthy scratch and his rookie season in his

1692
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 2: first year in the NFL. Javon Baker potentially active for

1693
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 2: special teams, and you mentioned this when we were talking

1694
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 2: about the A wide receivers. Maybe we should just start

1695
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 2: talking about Javon Baker in a similar way we talk

1696
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 2: about Brennan Schooler. Like Brennan Schooler is technically on the

1697
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 2: roster as a safety, but he's not playing safety. He's

1698
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 2: playing special teams, and Javon Baker might be gravitating towards

1699
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,759
Speaker 2: that as well as a wide receiver that's playing special teams.

1700
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 2: So the Kendrick Bourne run here is over. I think

1701
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:18,680
Speaker 2: it's over. There's no reason for him to ask for

1702
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 2: his release if he was going to be on the

1703
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 2: practice squad. So now that dovetails that, you know, turn

1704
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 2: the page here. The Patriots now the fifty two guys

1705
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 2: on the roster yeap, so they have an open roster

1706
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 2: spot we should hopefully I was hoping that the news

1707
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:36,640
Speaker 2: that we were going to get while we were on

1708
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 2: the air was the waiver claims. We should be hearing

1709
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 2: about waiver claims here, not before long, but knowing that

1710
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 2: they released Kendrick Bourne, I think it's pretty safe to

1711
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,560
Speaker 2: say that they at least put in a claim for

1712
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 2: somebody that they think they're going to get to take

1713
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 2: that roster spot, and that's why we're here. Are you

1714
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 2: at all surprised with Kendrick Bourne that this didn't happen

1715
01:22:56,560 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 2: yesterday or that he didn't go on io Like, it's

1716
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:03,599
Speaker 2: just kind of weird that twenty four hours later they

1717
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:05,599
Speaker 2: could have just done this yesterday. But I think maybe

1718
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 2: you're right about the trade. Potentially they wanted to keep

1719
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 2: the door of the trade over. Now, why couldn't they

1720
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 2: get the deal done? What was the Feeling trade? It

1721
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 2: was a sixth and a seventh. Uh, yeah, it wasn't much,

1722
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 2: so I'll when you're talking.

1723
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 1: I mean, Feeling had a good year last year, all

1724
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 1: things considered for his age and all that. So I

1725
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 1: what did they want for born? I'm guessing the Patriots

1726
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 1: weren't getting a pick out right? It was probably a

1727
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:29,599
Speaker 1: pick soop.

1728
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:32,759
Speaker 2: It was a twenty twenty sixth seventh and twenty twenty

1729
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 2: seventh fifth for Adam Feeling. I mean, there's a lot

1730
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 2: of picks going back and forth, but.

1731
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 1: If you're going to cut them anyway, I would have

1732
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 1: just taken the one pick and done it. I wonder

1733
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 1: if Minnesota wasn't going to do that. I wonder if

1734
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:46,799
Speaker 1: they were insisting on a pick swap and the Patriots

1735
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 1: didn't want to, you know, net lose picks considering how

1736
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 1: much we see Rabel wants to turn over the roster.

1737
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 1: But I feel like that's something that that they should

1738
01:23:58,240 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 1: have been able to get done.

1739
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna miss Kendrick Born. You miss having him around.

1740
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:08,080
Speaker 2: I already we already kind of waxed poetic about that.

1741
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 2: That being said, I actually am cautiously optimist mystic about

1742
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 2: their wide receiver room. And I was on with one

1743
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 2: of your guys, McCarthy the other night, and I said

1744
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 2: something along the lines of this is the best wide

1745
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:24,720
Speaker 2: receiver room that I can remember them having in quite

1746
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 2: some time, and Matt correctly said, well, Evan, the bar

1747
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 2: is not very high for that, right, the bar is

1748
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:34,520
Speaker 2: not very high. Which facts, the bar is not very high.

1749
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 2: But I'm actually genuinely optimistic about the mix that they

1750
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 2: have at wide receiver for the first time in a

1751
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:43,759
Speaker 2: while now. A lot of that hinges on Stefan Diggs

1752
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:45,640
Speaker 2: being what I think he's going to be, which is

1753
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 2: Stefon Diggs. Maybe not prime Minnesota Buffalo Stefon Diggs, but

1754
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 2: at least the guy at the end in Buffalo and

1755
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 2: the guy last year in Houston before he tore his ACL.

1756
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 2: I expect Stefon Diggs to play at that level for

1757
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 2: the Patriots this year. And I also have been pleasantly

1758
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:04,680
Speaker 2: surprised by Matt Collins. I think mccollins is more of

1759
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 2: a factor than I gave him credit for. I think

1760
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 2: his catch radius and his size it lends itself well

1761
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 2: to Drake May, who's not a pinpoint accurate quarterback all

1762
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 2: the time, so he can and we saw him going

1763
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:18,680
Speaker 2: over the middle of the field in Minnesota and kind

1764
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:22,679
Speaker 2: of rescuing a high pass thereby Drake May off script

1765
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 2: or out of structure playmaking. When May scrambles and he

1766
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 2: starts running around, having a six foot four wide receiver

1767
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 2: down the field to throw the ball to is a

1768
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 2: nice thing to have for a quarterback. So we see

1769
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 2: how comfortable Drake May is throwing to his tight ends,

1770
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:38,839
Speaker 2: you know, Hunter Henry Austin Hooper. I think it's similar

1771
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 2: with mac collins because of his size and his catch radius.

1772
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:46,280
Speaker 2: So if Digs is Digs, mac Collins ends up being

1773
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 2: like a nice fine maybe he has similar production to

1774
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 2: what he had in Vegas a couple of years ago

1775
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:54,720
Speaker 2: with Josh McDaniels. And then you also have this emergence

1776
01:25:55,280 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 2: of kind of both things happening at once, the re

1777
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 2: emergence of the slot receiver and then Pop Douglas looking

1778
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 2: like he can wear the suit of the slot receiver,

1779
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:12,800
Speaker 2: that thing happening coinciding at the same time. I look

1780
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:15,679
Speaker 2: at it and say, like, this is a decent room.

1781
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 2: Is it the best room in the NFL? No, of

1782
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:20,720
Speaker 2: course not. But if they were the worst receiver room

1783
01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 2: in the league last year and maybe even the year before,

1784
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 2: are they closer to middle of the pack this year?

1785
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 1: Still think they're probably bottom third, but they're better. I

1786
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:32,719
Speaker 1: so much with Hinges on Diggs, so much.

1787
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 2: With Kyle Williams, Like if Kyle Williams, if it's not Diggs,

1788
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 2: and you know, the potential or the ceiling there comes

1789
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:41,559
Speaker 2: from Kyle Williams as well. But what I like about

1790
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 2: the receiver room for me is like, along with just

1791
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 2: thinking the talent level has improved there, I also just

1792
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 2: like the fact that they have a nice mix of

1793
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 2: skill sets. I think in the past they've had some redundancy,

1794
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 2: they've been slow, they haven't had a field stretching element

1795
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 2: to the offense. But you have a jitterbug slot in

1796
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas. You have a true technician and Stefan Diggs

1797
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:08,599
Speaker 2: to play the Z. You have a big body Dex

1798
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 2: and Matt Collins, and you have a speed X and

1799
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 2: Kyle Williams. And then I think Kishan Boody is kind

1800
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 2: of in between Matt Collins and Kyle Williams. But I

1801
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 2: like how they compliment each other. I like the mix

1802
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 2: that they have there, and I just didn't feel like

1803
01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 2: there was enough space in that mix for Kendrick Bourne,

1804
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:30,240
Speaker 2: which is probably how we end up here. Yeah, So

1805
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 2: anything else to add on kenner Bourne. I'll take a

1806
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 2: lot these calls and.

1807
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 1: That's pretty much it. All right, Let's get back to

1808
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:39,679
Speaker 1: the calls. Uh, Daniel is real quick report from San Francisco.

1809
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 1: There's high interest from the forty nine ers bringing Kendrick Bourn.

1810
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:43,600
Speaker 1: I think that's where he ends up. I just I

1811
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 1: don't know. I do don't want him to end up

1812
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 1: in Kansas City. I think he'd succeed there, but I

1813
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 1: don't want to have to watch him in Kansas City.

1814
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:52,439
Speaker 2: So San Francisco, you're saying, San Francisco, you brought up

1815
01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:53,480
Speaker 2: San Francisco.

1816
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 1: Here, No, so that did somebody brought up like Pittsburgh,

1817
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 1: San Francisco, Kansas City as teams that need receivers.

1818
01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 2: Got it? So I could see sanfi Cisco reuniting with

1819
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:02,599
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan makes all those sense.

1820
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:04,599
Speaker 1: Well, you know what's gonna happen, then, right, he's gonna

1821
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 1: be good. Well, if they win, I'm given Kyle Shanahan

1822
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:11,640
Speaker 1: no credit. Kendrick Bourne gets all the credit. That is

1823
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 1: a full my guy versus you guy debate.

1824
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 2: It'd be interesting to see, like, I don't know, I know,

1825
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 2: we kind of get into this point and it's like,

1826
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:22,440
Speaker 2: could they have traded Kendrick Borne for like a conditional

1827
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 2: sixth round pick that you obviously should take what you

1828
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:29,720
Speaker 2: can get for the player, But I wonder what was

1829
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:31,800
Speaker 2: really out there for him? Because if he just immediately

1830
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:34,679
Speaker 2: goes and turns around and signs with San Francisco, clearly

1831
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:36,840
Speaker 2: there was real motivation by the forty nine ers to

1832
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:37,679
Speaker 2: get Hendrick Bourne.

1833
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:39,559
Speaker 1: Or did the forty nine ers know when's the feeling

1834
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:41,360
Speaker 1: trade happened? All right, well they're gonna have to cut them.

1835
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:43,520
Speaker 1: Nobody else is gonna trade for him? Will wait it out.

1836
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 2: They might have called their bluff.

1837
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 1: Because I think if you're he'll have other suitors. Shanahan

1838
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:51,160
Speaker 1: probably knows he'll have a good chance to get him

1839
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 1: back if he wants him back.

1840
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 2: I feel like they probably could have gotten something for

1841
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:57,640
Speaker 2: Kendrick Borne. But if it again, if it was like

1842
01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:00,200
Speaker 2: a conditional seventh round pick, I understand. Just give the

1843
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:02,200
Speaker 2: guy the freedom to decide where he wants to go

1844
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 2: and just doing a solid by him. I know some

1845
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 2: people that annoys people are doing teams do that, but

1846
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, if you're getting a

1847
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 2: conditional seventh or a conditional six, like, what are we

1848
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 2: really talking?

1849
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:13,240
Speaker 1: So I think the bigger thing is if it's a

1850
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 1: pick swap and they were trying to net a pick here, yeah,

1851
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:16,599
Speaker 1: that would be.

1852
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 2: That would have been probably better. All right, let's go

1853
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 2: back to the phones. Daniel's in California. What's up, Daniel?

1854
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:24,679
Speaker 3: You guys don't good?

1855
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 2: Pete.

1856
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:29,639
Speaker 9: So, yeah, I agree with you Evan about the wide

1857
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:32,800
Speaker 9: receiver room. I'm definitely optimistic about it. Like I don't

1858
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:35,240
Speaker 9: think it's one of the worst, which has been in

1859
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:37,519
Speaker 9: the past couple of seasons. I definitely think it's around

1860
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 9: like the twenty twenty range, probably low twenties. But on

1861
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:44,960
Speaker 9: Pop Douglas though I did see that he's about the

1862
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:47,840
Speaker 9: on Edelman's podcast, or he already was not out yet.

1863
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:51,559
Speaker 9: I know that he's not like an every down player,

1864
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:54,720
Speaker 9: but you know, I have a feeling that he's due

1865
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:57,800
Speaker 9: for a breakout season. You know, if Drake, you know,

1866
01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 9: ends up being having a successful year, if Horse like

1867
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 9: the people that I would think would get the credit

1868
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:05,639
Speaker 9: would be like Big Henry in the probably the running

1869
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 9: back room. You know, But how do you feel that

1870
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 9: you know what Pop season is, you know what his

1871
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:16,360
Speaker 9: potential was of being this season, and I can just

1872
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:17,080
Speaker 9: pick that off the air.

1873
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 10: Thank you.

1874
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, Daniel, I actually have a story coming out probably

1875
01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:23,679
Speaker 2: tomorrow on this exact topic and just the slot receiver

1876
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:27,759
Speaker 2: in Josh mcdaniels's offense in general, but also Pop Douglas,

1877
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:31,320
Speaker 2: Efton Chisholm and their role within that. And I actually

1878
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 2: spoke to Edelman for it, so I have some good

1879
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 2: stuff from Edelman on the role on playing in the slot,

1880
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:42,240
Speaker 2: also what he thinks of those guys. He's in the

1881
01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 2: media now so he pays attention to all this. Just

1882
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 2: one little thing I'll share Edelman is really high on

1883
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 2: both guys, but really high on Pop Douglas and said

1884
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:55,880
Speaker 2: he's he predicted somewhere between eighty to ninety catches this

1885
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 2: year for Pop in this offense. And he just said

1886
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:02,479
Speaker 2: having Josh McDaniels is like McDaniels is, all he's gonna

1887
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:04,880
Speaker 2: do is hunt matchups in the inside with Pop and

1888
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:07,320
Speaker 2: get him on linebackers, and get him on safeties, and

1889
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 2: get him in foot races that he can win off

1890
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:14,719
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage. And he really was bullish about

1891
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 2: the combination of McDaniels and Pop together and how good

1892
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:20,800
Speaker 2: that can be for Pop Douglas. And I'll just add

1893
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 2: I've been really impressed with how well Pop Douglas has

1894
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 2: handled some of the mental aspects of that position. I

1895
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:28,760
Speaker 2: wasn't one hundred percent certain that he was going to

1896
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:32,000
Speaker 2: handle some of the post snap processing. You basically have

1897
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 2: to process the defense like you're a quarterback. You have

1898
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:36,519
Speaker 2: to read the coverage, you have to find the soft spots.

1899
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:39,720
Speaker 2: You have to know when it's quarterbacks right, you have

1900
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:42,759
Speaker 2: to know when it's man. I've been really pleasantly surprised

1901
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:45,040
Speaker 2: by how well Pop has picked all of that up.

1902
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:47,840
Speaker 2: And I know Drake May has talked about it lining

1903
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 2: up in the right places, running routes with more detail

1904
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:54,200
Speaker 2: and more precise with his steps. And so I do

1905
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:57,040
Speaker 2: think that Pob Douglas is in I don't know if

1906
01:31:57,040 --> 01:32:00,160
Speaker 2: we want to call it a breakout season, but I

1907
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 2: think eighty catches is probably in play. You know, maybe

1908
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:05,240
Speaker 2: it's eighty for eight hundred. I don't know if it's

1909
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:08,360
Speaker 2: going to be a ton of yards per catch, if

1910
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 2: it's going to be a very high number of yards

1911
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:13,200
Speaker 2: per catches, I think he'll probably be somewhere around ten

1912
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:16,639
Speaker 2: or eleven yards. But realistically, I do think eighty catches

1913
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:17,519
Speaker 2: it in play for Pop.

1914
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:22,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'll just emphasize though, I don't think Pop

1915
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Speaker 1: Douglass like he doesn't need to have a volume season

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Speaker 1: have a successful season. Yeah, right, it's big plays, it's touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: it's first downs, things like that. I don't think he

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Speaker 1: needs to catch a hundred passes to have a breakout season.

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Speaker 2: No, Yeah, that's fair, and maybe it is. You know,

1920
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Speaker 2: we talked a little bit about in this piece, which

1921
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Speaker 2: I think was you know, Edelman was really good about this.

1922
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Speaker 2: Like we talked about the difference between the slot, which

1923
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Speaker 2: is McDaniels and McDaniels offense is called the F receiver

1924
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Speaker 2: and the Z which is like the flanker receiver, and

1925
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Speaker 2: the differences between those two positions, and there is differences

1926
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Speaker 2: in terms of where they play and how they've run

1927
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Speaker 2: routes typically speaking, especially like the F is only in

1928
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Speaker 2: a three receiver package, is only when there's the XDF

1929
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Speaker 2: and the Z. So in order to be a base

1930
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Speaker 2: receiver like a Z receiver, a DAD takes a lot

1931
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Speaker 2: more in terms of blocking and different things like that,

1932
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Speaker 2: playing more on the outside. So to your point about volume,

1933
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Speaker 2: like Pop is a true slot, he's not gonna be

1934
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Speaker 2: a typically a guy. The Patriots play a lot of

1935
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Speaker 2: base offense with with two receivers on the field, I

1936
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Speaker 2: don't think he's gonna be on the field a ton,

1937
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Speaker 2: But the second that they go to three receiver eleven,

1938
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:36,720
Speaker 2: then he's gonna be on the field a lot. So

1939
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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, that's probably a wash.

1940
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Speaker 2: Like he's probably still going to be seventy seventy five

1941
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Speaker 2: eighty percent of the snaps because they play so much

1942
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:48,559
Speaker 2: in eleven these days in today's NFL, But it's a

1943
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:51,280
Speaker 2: little bit in that respect, not in terms of their

1944
01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:54,080
Speaker 2: skill sets. They're not comparable players in that respect, but

1945
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:57,320
Speaker 2: in terms of usage, it's a little bit more Ammondola

1946
01:33:57,400 --> 01:34:00,559
Speaker 2: than it is Ediement. Yeah so yeah, so that that

1947
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Speaker 2: I would say is a little bit different. All right,

1948
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Speaker 2: let's go to Christian in LA. What's up Christian?

1949
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Speaker 7: Hey, guys, you know, I don't get a chance to

1950
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Speaker 7: call into your show so much, but I really loved

1951
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Speaker 7: what you guys do. More of the exes and o's

1952
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:15,680
Speaker 7: and you really get into and break it down. So

1953
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Speaker 7: I really respect the show and I really love it

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Speaker 7: on it still going.

1955
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Speaker 10: Well.

1956
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Speaker 7: Now, let me get on you because both of you

1957
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:25,360
Speaker 7: guys are doing the very thing that I really really

1958
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:30,519
Speaker 7: dislike about commentators and quarterbacks. If you cannot bring a

1959
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:33,320
Speaker 7: guy into your quarterback room because you're afraid it's gonna

1960
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Speaker 7: somehow damage the confidence and the psyche of your stark quarterback,

1961
01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:41,120
Speaker 7: he's not a starting quarterback. That's a child that needs

1962
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:43,200
Speaker 7: to develop more before you put him in lead of

1963
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:45,920
Speaker 7: your franchise. I get so mad when I hear, well,

1964
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 7: you know, if you bring a man, people are gonna

1965
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 7: start firing. For me, I was gonna break me of

1966
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:51,639
Speaker 7: my kids. That's ridiculous to me. You bring the best

1967
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:54,040
Speaker 7: talent into your room that you can possibly get, and

1968
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:56,320
Speaker 7: if someone outplays you, I don't care. If you got

1969
01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:59,360
Speaker 7: a hundred million dollars contract you got over, you got lucky.

1970
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:02,760
Speaker 7: The guys that plays best belongs on the field. That's

1971
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:05,920
Speaker 7: That's one I'm gonna ask you guys for that. Did

1972
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:11,280
Speaker 7: I see that they cut that that swing guard that

1973
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:13,600
Speaker 7: that everyone was kind of getting high on because he

1974
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:16,439
Speaker 7: got injured? Is that something that they usually put a

1975
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:19,120
Speaker 7: guy on injured, reserved and see maybe you know he's talented,

1976
01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:21,400
Speaker 7: Let's wait and see if he can get well, or

1977
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:23,559
Speaker 7: well he's so injured that they just said, you know,

1978
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:25,919
Speaker 7: let's release him and get rid of him. And then my, my,

1979
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 7: my third thing is with us trying to attract players

1980
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:35,680
Speaker 7: to the Patriots. Winning does help, But in today's landscape

1981
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:42,120
Speaker 7: where players were trying to develop simultaneously their post post

1982
01:35:42,439 --> 01:35:45,920
Speaker 7: football careers and brands and that kind of thing, do

1983
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:49,360
Speaker 7: you think that vrabel will will have the kind of

1984
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:51,640
Speaker 7: attitude to allow some of the stuff that needs to

1985
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:54,280
Speaker 7: go on for players to sort of develop that that,

1986
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:57,600
Speaker 7: you know, that brand name and style to do something afterwards.

1987
01:35:57,800 --> 01:35:59,280
Speaker 7: Thank you, guys, I'll take you off the air, and again,

1988
01:35:59,320 --> 01:35:59,880
Speaker 7: I love the show.

1989
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Speaker 2: Thanks Christian. I appreciate the call so to just to

1990
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 2: the quarterback thing, like, that's not us, that is that's

1991
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:07,519
Speaker 2: putting that out there. We're just reading their actions, like

1992
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:10,519
Speaker 2: if they didn't care about the dynamic in the locker

1993
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:12,280
Speaker 2: room and all these different types of things, and Joe

1994
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:16,320
Speaker 2: Milton would still be here. So this is not this

1995
01:36:16,439 --> 01:36:18,040
Speaker 2: is just a thing, like I don't think it's a

1996
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:21,519
Speaker 2: media thing. We're just reacting to what these teams are

1997
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 2: doing and whether Christian, you know, I understand your point,

1998
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 2: but this is a legit thing that teams do. When

1999
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 2: you have a young quarterback like Drake May who has

2000
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 2: all the talent in the world but isn't quite proven

2001
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:38,599
Speaker 2: yet and isn't quite established yet, teams are weary about

2002
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 2: bringing in competition and having that be uneasy in the

2003
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:45,360
Speaker 2: quarterback room. I think that that's a part of it. Obviously,

2004
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:47,840
Speaker 2: talent and all that stuff is probably a bigger deal.

2005
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 2: But we saw this with Mac Jones and Bailey Zappy,

2006
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 2: and I think we saw this a little bit with

2007
01:36:52,360 --> 01:36:54,200
Speaker 2: Joe Milton and Drake May. And I think that's why

2008
01:36:54,280 --> 01:36:57,439
Speaker 2: Joe Milton is no longer here. Yeah, so I don't

2009
01:36:57,479 --> 01:37:00,519
Speaker 2: think we're that's a media driven thing. Two, I don't

2010
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:03,160
Speaker 2: know who's talking about that guard. There's a million guards.

2011
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Speaker 1: Laydon Robinson, maybe Laden only god they put on I

2012
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:07,280
Speaker 1: r oh, no, he said, did they cut?

2013
01:37:07,479 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 2: Yeah? Maybe maybe Leyden Robinson, I'm not sure.

2014
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Speaker 1: And then I don't think there are any linemen. People

2015
01:37:12,280 --> 01:37:13,280
Speaker 1: were high on them they cut?

2016
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Speaker 2: No, no, not not super high on And then uh,

2017
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Speaker 2: what was his last one? There? I had something to

2018
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:20,880
Speaker 2: respond to that one too?

2019
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Speaker 1: What was the last one?

2020
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Speaker 2: I don't remember? Sorry, Christian, here you come at us

2021
01:37:24,160 --> 01:37:26,920
Speaker 2: with three different things, and you know there's there's too

2022
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:30,680
Speaker 2: much there. All right, let's take this one. Jeff is

2023
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:31,759
Speaker 2: in Maine. What's up? Jeff?

2024
01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:34,759
Speaker 3: Hey?

2025
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 2: Good?

2026
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:41,679
Speaker 3: Uh? So I have two things, neither of which are exes.

2027
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Speaker 3: Those related one ft Chisholm's listen. I don't know how

2028
01:37:47,200 --> 01:37:49,519
Speaker 3: no one has said this yet, so we'll do it

2029
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:51,920
Speaker 3: on this show. I'm not sure anyone is gonna get

2030
01:37:52,200 --> 01:37:54,160
Speaker 3: a better nickname for him than E C. Three.

2031
01:37:56,200 --> 01:37:56,639
Speaker 2: Not bad.

2032
01:37:57,200 --> 01:38:00,519
Speaker 3: I feel I feel good about that too. So last

2033
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:05,880
Speaker 3: year my fantasy team was the Manhattan Project. Yes, this year,

2034
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:08,679
Speaker 3: I mean I feel like just with the last couple

2035
01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:12,080
Speaker 3: of shows. Does it not have to be in Island? Yeah?

2036
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:14,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably, there you go, there you go.

2037
01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:15,599
Speaker 2: I love it.

2038
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:18,759
Speaker 1: The only person show and talk fantasy football.

2039
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:20,679
Speaker 2: By the way, we have some emails about your hate

2040
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:21,600
Speaker 2: for fantasy football.

2041
01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:25,639
Speaker 1: Well, so I gotta get you on the Punter League too.

2042
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:28,960
Speaker 2: That has Jeff f chism Island sounds right to me.

2043
01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:32,960
Speaker 3: That sounds great, all right, And again I will be

2044
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:36,240
Speaker 3: the only fantasy football call that you will take all year.

2045
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:38,639
Speaker 3: You'll get a couple updates and I will talk X's

2046
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:39,439
Speaker 3: nose from now on.

2047
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:43,320
Speaker 2: I love it. I appreciate it. You're the only one

2048
01:38:43,320 --> 01:38:46,720
Speaker 2: that we allowed to talk fantasy one, only one. All right,

2049
01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:51,679
Speaker 2: Patty's in Agua. What's up, Patty? How you doing.

2050
01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:53,240
Speaker 6: Doing?

2051
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:53,639
Speaker 3: All right?

2052
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:56,599
Speaker 8: So last week I had something for Evan. This week

2053
01:38:57,120 --> 01:39:00,519
Speaker 8: got something for you, Alex. I heard I heard you

2054
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:03,799
Speaker 8: say two words on TB I think it was last week,

2055
01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:06,720
Speaker 8: And when he said it, my intento went up those

2056
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:11,200
Speaker 8: two words. Nick Harbor, I can't wait, dude, I can't wait.

2057
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:11,719
Speaker 11: For this weekend.

2058
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:13,479
Speaker 8: Can't wait for the start of the college game.

2059
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:16,280
Speaker 11: Yeah, and I'm gonna keep I'm gonna get keep a

2060
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:18,559
Speaker 11: close eye on him. Because that dude is a bona

2061
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:20,280
Speaker 11: fide freak, and I'm hoping that he is a big

2062
01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:22,880
Speaker 11: season because if he does, that's the guy I want

2063
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:25,280
Speaker 11: next year in the first round. So all I got,

2064
01:39:26,479 --> 01:39:29,240
Speaker 11: let's freaking go. I know you're gonna be watching this weekend, Alex,

2065
01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:30,080
Speaker 11: I'll be watching you.

2066
01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:32,800
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, Patty, how do you explain to

2067
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:33,679
Speaker 2: everybody who the heck.

2068
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:36,719
Speaker 1: Nick Harbor and Patty put him away? He's a player

2069
01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:39,240
Speaker 1: to watch. I am not saying I want the Patriots

2070
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:40,720
Speaker 1: to draft him, not yet. I'm not saying I don't

2071
01:39:40,720 --> 01:39:42,559
Speaker 1: want them to draft him because I got to see

2072
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:45,599
Speaker 1: how the season goes. Nick Harbor, Evan, We've been doing

2073
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:49,679
Speaker 1: this for eight years. Nick Harbor, I dare to say

2074
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:53,160
Speaker 1: will be the best raw athlete we've ever covered coming

2075
01:39:53,160 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 1: out of the draft. I've reserved that for Jordan Davis.

2076
01:39:56,439 --> 01:40:00,200
Speaker 1: The best raw, the best pure just athleticism. Okay, in

2077
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:03,240
Speaker 1: terms of athleticism, this guy was a five star crew

2078
01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:06,439
Speaker 1: coming out of high school as a defensive end. Six five,

2079
01:40:06,479 --> 01:40:09,040
Speaker 1: two thirty five goes to and he's a track star

2080
01:40:09,120 --> 01:40:12,519
Speaker 1: to All American track star goes South Carolina. Wants to

2081
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:16,280
Speaker 1: play receiver. So six five two thirty five All American

2082
01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:18,360
Speaker 1: in the one hundred yard dash two hundred yard dash,

2083
01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:20,960
Speaker 1: Like the reports are, he can run a forty in

2084
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:24,519
Speaker 1: the high four threes. Again it's six five, two thirty five.

2085
01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 1: But because he was a defensive end play a little

2086
01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:32,600
Speaker 1: tight end in high school, it's all incredibly raw. So

2087
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:35,880
Speaker 1: the big thing this year with Nick Harb it's the

2088
01:40:35,880 --> 01:40:38,719
Speaker 1: first year's draft eligibly he's a true junior. He didn't

2089
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:40,400
Speaker 1: run track this year in the springs, the first time

2090
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:43,439
Speaker 1: he's ever done that. He dedicated himself fully to football,

2091
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:46,240
Speaker 1: to picking up the nuances of the position. All the

2092
01:40:46,280 --> 01:40:49,599
Speaker 1: reports out of the South Carolina spring practices were there's

2093
01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:52,439
Speaker 1: results there like that actually paid off. He's got a

2094
01:40:52,479 --> 01:40:58,040
Speaker 1: Heisman caliber quarterback in Lenora Sellars, like we'll see right again,

2095
01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:00,519
Speaker 1: player to watch if he actually put to work in

2096
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:05,320
Speaker 1: and there's some skill there. The athleticism, the size, the speed,

2097
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:09,559
Speaker 1: all of that speaks for itself. If not, well, big guy,

2098
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:11,960
Speaker 1: it's the fast and big guy runs fast and what

2099
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:14,080
Speaker 1: and he may end up staying another year in college

2100
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:16,320
Speaker 1: and trying to develop. Like again, he's a true junior.

2101
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:19,720
Speaker 1: He was the first ever true freshman to be at

2102
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:22,240
Speaker 1: the top of the Freaks List and the Athletic. He

2103
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:23,640
Speaker 1: was the first player to be number one on the

2104
01:41:23,680 --> 01:41:26,519
Speaker 1: Freaks lits back to back years. In the Athletic he

2105
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:28,400
Speaker 1: was top five again this year, I think because they

2106
01:41:28,479 --> 01:41:29,960
Speaker 1: just felt it was unfair to keep putting him at

2107
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:32,960
Speaker 1: the top. There is no more exciting prospect in college

2108
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:36,560
Speaker 1: football than Nick Harbor. Whether or not he ultimately that

2109
01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:40,000
Speaker 1: pans out, we will see. This is a huge year

2110
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:40,360
Speaker 1: for him.

2111
01:41:40,439 --> 01:41:41,960
Speaker 2: There's a proply guy that he told me he needs

2112
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:44,200
Speaker 2: to learn how to play football. Kind of yeah, okay,

2113
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:49,200
Speaker 2: well that's a pretty big deal. But so South Carolina's

2114
01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:52,000
Speaker 2: got a good coaching staff. The reports are that this

2115
01:41:52,120 --> 01:41:54,599
Speaker 2: spring just focusing on football and not running. I said

2116
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:57,200
Speaker 2: that tongue in cheek because he's never done like the

2117
01:41:57,240 --> 01:41:59,960
Speaker 2: full calendar year of football. Okay, because he dedicates him

2118
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:02,280
Speaker 2: off the track. He did that this year. Let's see

2119
01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:04,559
Speaker 2: what the results are. I'm fascinated by it. Maybe there's

2120
01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:06,720
Speaker 2: nothing here. There's a real chance there's nothing here, and

2121
01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:09,559
Speaker 2: then I will drop it. But if there is something,

2122
01:42:10,240 --> 01:42:13,320
Speaker 2: I mean, you're talking like a DK Metcalf Josh Gordon

2123
01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:16,280
Speaker 2: kind of receiver. So when you said the best raw

2124
01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:19,880
Speaker 2: athlete that, yeah, we ever covered in a draft. DK

2125
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:21,720
Speaker 2: was the first one that comes to mind to me,

2126
01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:24,599
Speaker 2: so that I know DK didn't have the agility testing,

2127
01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:28,679
Speaker 2: but we're talking about a absolute alien. So six foot

2128
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:30,040
Speaker 2: four dude that runs a fourth.

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01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:32,559
Speaker 1: He is among the elite athletes. He's at the top

2130
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:36,559
Speaker 1: of the list, like he's another level. So I'm excited

2131
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:38,120
Speaker 1: to see, if you think. But he's got a lot

2132
01:42:38,160 --> 01:42:39,400
Speaker 1: of growing and needs to show this year.

2133
01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:44,040
Speaker 2: All right, so we do have some the waiver thing

2134
01:42:44,120 --> 01:42:46,040
Speaker 2: is going really slow this year for whatever reason.

2135
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:47,519
Speaker 1: Do a practice squad side, we have.

2136
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:51,080
Speaker 2: Some practice squad things. Looks like maybe Terrell Jennings from

2137
01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:55,559
Speaker 2: Mark Daniels coming back on the practice squad. The couple

2138
01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:58,400
Speaker 2: of the Titans reporters down there said the Titans claim

2139
01:42:58,479 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 2: four guys on.

2140
01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:03,559
Speaker 1: It doesn't help. I saw one I think was Juju Brentz,

2141
01:43:03,560 --> 01:43:05,760
Speaker 1: who was a big draft guy of mine. For you,

2142
01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:08,360
Speaker 1: I just want real quick. I want to say my

2143
01:43:08,479 --> 01:43:12,880
Speaker 1: favorite thing about cutdown Day every year is getting tagged

2144
01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:15,400
Speaker 1: in tweets about players that I draft crush on, like

2145
01:43:15,439 --> 01:43:18,719
Speaker 1: three years ago, We're getting cut Honestly, like, I truly

2146
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:20,519
Speaker 1: appreciate that. I don't know if you get the same thing.

2147
01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:23,040
Speaker 1: I truly appreciate. It actually means a lot to me

2148
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:25,360
Speaker 1: that you guys remember this stuff, because sometimes I maybe

2149
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:27,080
Speaker 1: don't even remember and got to go back and look

2150
01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:29,080
Speaker 1: up what I wrote about the guy. So it does

2151
01:43:29,160 --> 01:43:31,719
Speaker 1: mean to lots of me every year, like I got tagged, Juju,

2152
01:43:31,720 --> 01:43:34,600
Speaker 1: Brents got cut. There are a couple other guys I

2153
01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:38,800
Speaker 1: know when Bryceford Wheaton went on IR like I got tagged, Like,

2154
01:43:38,840 --> 01:43:40,840
Speaker 1: I always appreciate seeing those guys.

2155
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:45,200
Speaker 2: So I'm a little disappointed. Usually by now, Tom Pelisaro

2156
01:43:45,400 --> 01:43:49,200
Speaker 2: or Albert bre or somebody has the wire. The wire

2157
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:52,639
Speaker 2: data is post, the entire wire of who was claimed.

2158
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:55,080
Speaker 2: But right now what we're getting is we're getting slow

2159
01:43:55,120 --> 01:43:58,000
Speaker 2: trickle outs of some of the insiders are going team

2160
01:43:58,040 --> 01:44:01,040
Speaker 2: by team of who was So it sounds like the

2161
01:44:01,120 --> 01:44:05,120
Speaker 2: Titans were the most active team. They claimed four guys

2162
01:44:05,120 --> 01:44:10,240
Speaker 2: on waivers, Samuel Womack defensive back, a lot of defensive backs.

2163
01:44:11,800 --> 01:44:16,240
Speaker 2: Let's see. Oh they came from Alabama, Jalen amwar Davis.

2164
01:44:16,920 --> 01:44:19,120
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, they claimed him as well.

2165
01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:20,440
Speaker 1: So they claimed two corners.

2166
01:44:20,920 --> 01:44:22,599
Speaker 2: They claimed a handful of corners.

2167
01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:24,719
Speaker 1: It sounds like that Patriots might be on a corner.

2168
01:44:25,320 --> 01:44:29,519
Speaker 2: So there's there's a couple of things. But let's take

2169
01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:31,360
Speaker 2: a few more of these calls. We have ten minutes

2170
01:44:31,439 --> 01:44:35,240
Speaker 2: left and hopefully we can see definitively if the Patriots

2171
01:44:35,240 --> 01:44:38,480
Speaker 2: have claimed anybody. Uh, let's go to Mark in Connecticut.

2172
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:39,080
Speaker 2: What's up, Mark?

2173
01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:41,799
Speaker 10: What's going on? My brothers?

2174
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:42,720
Speaker 3: How are we good?

2175
01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:47,120
Speaker 10: How are you too bad? Evan? Just a quick couple

2176
01:44:47,120 --> 01:44:53,040
Speaker 10: of things to Gooby Myers, any real word on him

2177
01:44:53,120 --> 01:44:56,800
Speaker 10: if he's actually gonna be available to get. And then

2178
01:44:56,840 --> 01:44:59,599
Speaker 10: the other thing is that tight end. I still feel

2179
01:44:59,640 --> 01:45:02,639
Speaker 10: like we need another really good tight end. And there's

2180
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:05,599
Speaker 10: two that are I believe on the waiver Wile, Josh

2181
01:45:05,640 --> 01:45:10,599
Speaker 10: Wile and Greg Dulich, who actually just picked the crap

2182
01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:12,599
Speaker 10: out of us that was on the New York Giants

2183
01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:15,599
Speaker 10: over the last preseason game. I wanted to get your guys'

2184
01:45:15,720 --> 01:45:16,880
Speaker 10: takes on those guys.

2185
01:45:17,160 --> 01:45:20,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, thanks for the call. Mark. So a lot

2186
01:45:20,439 --> 01:45:23,760
Speaker 2: of conversations about those two tight ends. Deulich we all

2187
01:45:23,880 --> 01:45:25,840
Speaker 2: just saw with the Giants in the preseason game. And

2188
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:30,400
Speaker 2: then Wile was drafted by Vrabel I believe in Tennessee. Yeah,

2189
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:32,639
Speaker 2: and then was released by the Titans. So maybe some

2190
01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:36,160
Speaker 2: interest there on the tight ends on Jacoby Myers. I'm

2191
01:45:36,200 --> 01:45:38,160
Speaker 2: glad somebody called in and asked the question. It does

2192
01:45:38,200 --> 01:45:40,960
Speaker 2: seem like Dad's died down maybe a little bit about

2193
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:45,040
Speaker 2: Jacob Myers's trademarket, if there ever was one. My whole

2194
01:45:45,080 --> 01:45:47,240
Speaker 2: take on Jacoby Myers, and I said this yesterday on

2195
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:50,280
Speaker 2: PU Alex, is that if you just want to say,

2196
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:52,960
Speaker 2: just get the best receivers and to get the best

2197
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:55,840
Speaker 2: talent on this roster full stop, I don't care about

2198
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:59,719
Speaker 2: redundancies and positions and z's and x's and all, then fine.

2199
01:45:59,880 --> 01:46:02,479
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you because

2200
01:46:02,520 --> 01:46:06,439
Speaker 2: I also like Jacoby Myers. But but that being said,

2201
01:46:07,120 --> 01:46:09,920
Speaker 2: two of your biggest engines of your offense right now

2202
01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:12,559
Speaker 2: are Stefan Diggs and Pop Douglas. And I think there's

2203
01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:15,439
Speaker 2: a ton of positional overlap with Jacoby Myers and those

2204
01:46:15,439 --> 01:46:18,759
Speaker 2: two guys. And I don't necessarily look at Jacobi Myers

2205
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:21,960
Speaker 2: and say that he's really what you need at the

2206
01:46:22,040 --> 01:46:26,160
Speaker 2: receiver position. If this was the Jacoby Myers of outside

2207
01:46:26,200 --> 01:46:28,960
Speaker 2: the numbers X receivers that can get down the field,

2208
01:46:29,479 --> 01:46:31,559
Speaker 2: then I would be more all in on that.

2209
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:33,600
Speaker 1: I mean, Stefan Diggs.

2210
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:36,240
Speaker 2: Well, Stefan Diggs, but like Sefon Diggs canna play the

2211
01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:38,599
Speaker 2: Z and I don't think he's gonna get that many

2212
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:39,599
Speaker 2: outside the numbers.

2213
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:40,720
Speaker 1: Oh no, I thought you meant like if it was

2214
01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:42,000
Speaker 1: that version of Diggs.

2215
01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, sure, Yeah, uh that as well, you could

2216
01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:50,120
Speaker 2: play Pop and Digs and Myers together. I just think

2217
01:46:50,160 --> 01:46:54,639
Speaker 2: that you really lack a true outside the numbers speed

2218
01:46:54,680 --> 01:46:57,160
Speaker 2: and ball winner out there with that group. I think

2219
01:46:57,160 --> 01:47:01,439
Speaker 2: it's a slower group compared to what they really want

2220
01:47:01,439 --> 01:47:04,840
Speaker 2: to be. So long winded answer, but I guess they

2221
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:07,479
Speaker 2: kind of signed Stefon Diggs to play the Jacobe Myers

2222
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:09,880
Speaker 2: role within the offense. So if they then go ahead

2223
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:12,519
Speaker 2: and trade for Jacoby Myers, I'm not really sure how

2224
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:15,080
Speaker 2: the two of those guys fit together. Someone's gonna end

2225
01:47:15,160 --> 01:47:18,160
Speaker 2: up playing on the outside too much, is my fear

2226
01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:20,720
Speaker 2: with that, And that person is probably not going to

2227
01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:23,360
Speaker 2: be used to the best of his abilities and therefore

2228
01:47:23,400 --> 01:47:26,160
Speaker 2: not going to have the production that they're being paid

2229
01:47:26,160 --> 01:47:28,880
Speaker 2: to have that they were acquired to have. And so

2230
01:47:29,120 --> 01:47:32,560
Speaker 2: I think right now they might have too much redundancy

2231
01:47:32,680 --> 01:47:34,840
Speaker 2: in the wide receiver room for Jacoby Myers.

2232
01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:37,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I'm with you, like, you can't turn down

2233
01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:41,320
Speaker 1: good players. But if you start taking targets away from Digs,

2234
01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:43,280
Speaker 1: what does that do for him? I don't think this

2235
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:45,160
Speaker 1: is about Pop Douglas. Now is there a way you

2236
01:47:45,160 --> 01:47:46,920
Speaker 1: can get all three of them on the field. Maybe

2237
01:47:47,080 --> 01:47:49,040
Speaker 1: you're playing Digs out of position or at his old

2238
01:47:49,040 --> 01:47:52,000
Speaker 1: position at the X, so there's complications that come with that.

2239
01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:55,479
Speaker 1: In an ideal world, I think you'd wait a couple

2240
01:47:55,479 --> 01:47:57,320
Speaker 1: of weeks, see how things pan out, and maybe if

2241
01:47:57,320 --> 01:47:59,479
Speaker 1: Digs doesn't look right off the knee or guys are hurt,

2242
01:48:00,040 --> 01:48:02,280
Speaker 1: and you re engage the conversations, now he may get

2243
01:48:02,280 --> 01:48:06,120
Speaker 1: dealt or signed extension before then. But I just he's

2244
01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:08,639
Speaker 1: not that Terry McLaurin level of player, right that you're

2245
01:48:08,680 --> 01:48:10,280
Speaker 1: looking for. And I think at a certain point you

2246
01:48:10,360 --> 01:48:11,599
Speaker 1: just got to go in and see what you have.

2247
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:13,760
Speaker 1: He definitely gives you a higher floor than Diggs does.

2248
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:15,840
Speaker 1: But at this point they need to take a shot

2249
01:48:15,880 --> 01:48:19,320
Speaker 1: at wide receiver. I'll take the ceiling with Diggs, yeah,

2250
01:48:19,400 --> 01:48:20,679
Speaker 1: because they know what Digs looks.

2251
01:48:20,479 --> 01:48:22,439
Speaker 2: Like right right, And it's a good point just in

2252
01:48:22,520 --> 01:48:25,519
Speaker 2: terms like, yeah, the talent is the talent. And if

2253
01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:28,000
Speaker 2: you again, like I said, if you just are in

2254
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:30,320
Speaker 2: the school of thought that I just want to take

2255
01:48:30,360 --> 01:48:32,559
Speaker 2: the talent and fine, But I do think that in

2256
01:48:32,600 --> 01:48:35,559
Speaker 2: this case it's a little bit more complicated than that.

2257
01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:40,160
Speaker 2: And I definitely feel like you want to see this

2258
01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:43,600
Speaker 2: through with Stefon Diggs. And in order to see it

2259
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:45,559
Speaker 2: through truly with Stefon Diggs, I think you have to

2260
01:48:45,560 --> 01:48:47,280
Speaker 2: play him at the Z and he has to be

2261
01:48:47,320 --> 01:48:49,680
Speaker 2: a high volume guy because if he's not getting his

2262
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:51,640
Speaker 2: targets and he's not running the route tree that he

2263
01:48:51,680 --> 01:48:54,040
Speaker 2: needs to be running, then this can go south on

2264
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:57,200
Speaker 2: them with Stefon Diggs. And I worry about that with

2265
01:48:57,520 --> 01:49:01,360
Speaker 2: Admyer's involvement there. If it was Terry McLaurin that level

2266
01:49:01,400 --> 01:49:03,640
Speaker 2: of player, you figure it out. If it was a

2267
01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:06,120
Speaker 2: true outside the numbers guy, then you take that guy

2268
01:49:06,160 --> 01:49:08,400
Speaker 2: and it's complimentary and it works out. It's just not

2269
01:49:09,040 --> 01:49:11,719
Speaker 2: the case here with Myers. All Right, Ken is in Florida?

2270
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:20,840
Speaker 2: What's up? Ken? Ken? Ken? Going? Once? All right? Ken,

2271
01:49:20,840 --> 01:49:23,519
Speaker 2: you can call back in. We have five more minutes

2272
01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:25,320
Speaker 2: on the show. So if you call back in, can

2273
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:29,720
Speaker 2: can I can I humor you with something real quick?

2274
01:49:30,360 --> 01:49:32,519
Speaker 2: So Curtis and Saint Louis has a bone to pick

2275
01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:33,960
Speaker 2: with you, and most of the time it's bones to

2276
01:49:33,960 --> 01:49:36,160
Speaker 2: pick with me. So I'm glad that this is happening.

2277
01:49:36,760 --> 01:49:40,720
Speaker 2: Uh So he is very disappointed that you wag your

2278
01:49:40,760 --> 01:49:45,599
Speaker 2: finger at fantasy football fans and the fantasy football community.

2279
01:49:46,240 --> 01:49:48,360
Speaker 2: So he's gonna say this is what he has to say.

2280
01:49:48,840 --> 01:49:55,000
Speaker 2: Uh you, I'm trying to like parse this down because

2281
01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:58,040
Speaker 2: it's a lot of words. I generally agree with you your

2282
01:49:57,560 --> 01:49:59,680
Speaker 2: points and takes. You've been my guy. But when you

2283
01:49:59,720 --> 01:50:02,960
Speaker 2: come out out and say fantasy players are not real fans,

2284
01:50:03,280 --> 01:50:05,160
Speaker 2: that is a huge slap in the face. Do you

2285
01:50:05,240 --> 01:50:08,040
Speaker 2: think that fantasy people are not real fancy all right

2286
01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:08,479
Speaker 2: over there?

2287
01:50:08,600 --> 01:50:11,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like some bug jumping around on me. I mean,

2288
01:50:11,880 --> 01:50:14,400
Speaker 1: I think there are people who play fantasy football who

2289
01:50:14,439 --> 01:50:17,479
Speaker 1: are real football fans. I'm not saying all fantasy football

2290
01:50:17,479 --> 01:50:19,439
Speaker 1: players aren't. I think there are some people who play

2291
01:50:19,479 --> 01:50:23,240
Speaker 1: fantasy football who think that alone qualifies them as and

2292
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:25,120
Speaker 1: not a football fan in the sense that I enjoy

2293
01:50:25,400 --> 01:50:27,839
Speaker 1: watching the NFL, I mean a fan of the sport itself.

2294
01:50:28,280 --> 01:50:30,639
Speaker 1: I think there are some people that play fantasy football

2295
01:50:31,120 --> 01:50:34,679
Speaker 1: that they know the quarterbacks, the running backs, the wide receivers,

2296
01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:38,160
Speaker 1: and the tight ends and that's it. And they you know,

2297
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:40,960
Speaker 1: they know the numbers and they don't maybe know what's

2298
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:44,880
Speaker 1: behind those numbers, how they get there and things like that.

2299
01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:47,880
Speaker 1: That's the group I'm more talking to. There. There are obviously,

2300
01:50:47,960 --> 01:50:50,000
Speaker 1: like real football fans who play fantasy football.

2301
01:50:50,200 --> 01:50:52,720
Speaker 2: So I think what in general is maybe this is

2302
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:55,600
Speaker 2: kind of what you're getting at. I think what's what

2303
01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:58,720
Speaker 2: bothers me a little bit about the fantasy community is

2304
01:50:58,760 --> 01:51:02,280
Speaker 2: that they basically take the trenches out of their thinking.

2305
01:51:02,240 --> 01:51:03,759
Speaker 1: And the defense entirely.

2306
01:51:03,880 --> 01:51:06,640
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but like specifically, I would say the I

2307
01:51:09,120 --> 01:51:11,720
Speaker 2: feel like if you only pay attention to fantasy and

2308
01:51:11,720 --> 01:51:14,000
Speaker 2: that's how you base all your takes off of just

2309
01:51:14,080 --> 01:51:16,600
Speaker 2: fantasy football. I'm not saying this is everybody. I'm just

2310
01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:20,559
Speaker 2: saying people that do that, then to you, acquiring wide

2311
01:51:20,600 --> 01:51:22,760
Speaker 2: receivers and running backs and tight ends is the only

2312
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:23,360
Speaker 2: thing that matters.

2313
01:51:23,880 --> 01:51:25,560
Speaker 1: And these are the people I'm talking to.

2314
01:51:25,600 --> 01:51:29,080
Speaker 2: Whereas when you talk about what we talk about on

2315
01:51:29,120 --> 01:51:31,200
Speaker 2: this show, like the true x's and o's and the

2316
01:51:31,240 --> 01:51:36,360
Speaker 2: true scheme in minutia of football, the most important thing

2317
01:51:36,439 --> 01:51:38,679
Speaker 2: in football, and I will continue to pound the table

2318
01:51:38,720 --> 01:51:42,920
Speaker 2: for this besides quarterback is offensive and defensive line play,

2319
01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:46,520
Speaker 2: the game is won and lost there. Now, the quarterback

2320
01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:50,080
Speaker 2: is the biggest factor. Everybody knows that. But besides the quarterback,

2321
01:51:50,920 --> 01:51:54,599
Speaker 2: your offensive and defensive lines is the biggest factor. Now,

2322
01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:56,599
Speaker 2: you could have a quarterback, as I can already hear Paul,

2323
01:51:56,640 --> 01:51:59,160
Speaker 2: who's probably not listening, but if he was listening, he

2324
01:51:59,240 --> 01:52:01,880
Speaker 2: would say, well, the Chiefs had a bad offensive line

2325
01:52:01,920 --> 01:52:04,639
Speaker 2: last year and they still made it to the super Bowl. Yes,

2326
01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:07,760
Speaker 2: if you have Patrick Mahomes quarterback and your team, then

2327
01:52:07,800 --> 01:52:09,760
Speaker 2: you can make up for it. But more times than not,

2328
01:52:09,920 --> 01:52:13,120
Speaker 2: you do not have Patrick Mahomes and so therefore your

2329
01:52:13,160 --> 01:52:16,000
Speaker 2: offensive and defensive line really is the engine of your

2330
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:19,200
Speaker 2: football team. That is the foundation of your football team.

2331
01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:21,920
Speaker 2: I think that sets the floor of what you can

2332
01:52:21,960 --> 01:52:24,559
Speaker 2: be as a team besides the quarterback. If you don't

2333
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:27,479
Speaker 2: have that figured out and buttoned up, then it's hard,

2334
01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:31,120
Speaker 2: it's hard times to be really truly competitive in this league.

2335
01:52:31,200 --> 01:52:35,000
Speaker 2: So I do feel like sometimes the fantasy community does

2336
01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:37,400
Speaker 2: sort of turn that into you know, the only thing

2337
01:52:37,439 --> 01:52:40,439
Speaker 2: that matters is wide receivers, right, it's wide receiver ones.

2338
01:52:40,920 --> 01:52:44,720
Speaker 2: It's you know, running backs. Overvaluing running backs and not

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01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:49,320
Speaker 2: paying enough attention to the trenches there. All right, we're

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Speaker 2: gonna have to wrap up the show. And okay, so

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01:52:52,240 --> 01:52:55,000
Speaker 2: we do have one claim. We do have one claim

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01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:57,880
Speaker 2: by the Patriots. We have two minutes to break down

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01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:01,160
Speaker 2: one claim. The Patriots did a little bit of breaking

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01:53:01,200 --> 01:53:03,760
Speaker 2: news here at the end. According to Field Yates, the

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01:53:03,760 --> 01:53:07,879
Speaker 2: Patriots have a claimed quarterback, Tommy DeVito, off of waivers.

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01:53:07,880 --> 01:53:11,720
Speaker 2: So Tommy DeVito, the pies on himself, the chicken cutletman,

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01:53:11,800 --> 01:53:14,559
Speaker 2: Tommy DeVito coming to the New England Patriots. You have

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01:53:14,640 --> 01:53:16,720
Speaker 2: one minute to react to this, Alex and I have

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01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:17,760
Speaker 2: one minute. What do you got?

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01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:20,439
Speaker 1: I got to hope they opened it up between him

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01:53:20,439 --> 01:53:23,720
Speaker 1: and Dobbs. Let's see. Yeah, it'll be behind closed doors.

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01:53:23,720 --> 01:53:24,240
Speaker 1: We won't see.

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01:53:24,280 --> 01:53:25,880
Speaker 2: But it's a great point this is.

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01:53:26,120 --> 01:53:27,559
Speaker 1: Do you think do you think he could pass Dobbs

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01:53:27,680 --> 01:53:28,080
Speaker 1: QB two?

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01:53:28,120 --> 01:53:30,080
Speaker 2: I do. I do think he could push Dobs for

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01:53:30,160 --> 01:53:33,120
Speaker 2: QB two. I think he's more consistent, I think he's

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01:53:33,160 --> 01:53:38,880
Speaker 2: more accurate quarterback compared to Josh Dobbs. His being in

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01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:41,720
Speaker 2: Brian Dables offense, which is very very similar to the

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01:53:41,720 --> 01:53:44,559
Speaker 2: offense that Josh McDaniels runs, I think is a big deal.

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01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:49,080
Speaker 2: Reason why they've made this claim having a guy that

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01:53:49,680 --> 01:53:52,400
Speaker 2: basically ninety five percent of the offense that he was

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01:53:52,479 --> 01:53:54,479
Speaker 2: running in the Giants is the same as the offense

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01:53:54,520 --> 01:53:56,800
Speaker 2: that they're running here, So there shouldn't be too much

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01:53:57,080 --> 01:53:58,840
Speaker 2: in terms of picking up on the scheme and all

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01:53:58,840 --> 01:54:02,040
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. Tommy DeVito claimed by the Patriots

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01:54:02,080 --> 01:54:04,519
Speaker 2: off of waivers. He will be on the fifty three

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01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:07,080
Speaker 2: man roster. This is not a practice squad situation. He

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01:54:07,080 --> 01:54:09,320
Speaker 2: will be on the fifty three man rosters. So to

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01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:12,040
Speaker 2: your point about challenging backup quarterback, I think that says

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01:54:12,040 --> 01:54:16,360
Speaker 2: it all right there. If they just signed Ben Lurris,

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01:54:16,400 --> 01:54:19,000
Speaker 2: if they just signed Taylor al Gerzma to the practice squad,

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01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:21,600
Speaker 2: then it's just a practice arm, right. This seems like

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01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:23,400
Speaker 2: more than a practice arm. They put in a waiver

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01:54:23,439 --> 01:54:26,479
Speaker 2: claim for Tommy DeVito, and they awarded Tommy DeVito. So

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01:54:27,720 --> 01:54:31,080
Speaker 2: we'll have more on Tommy DeVito and the Patriots waiver claims.

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01:54:31,560 --> 01:54:35,240
Speaker 2: I haven't heard of any other ones just yet, but

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01:54:35,600 --> 01:54:38,480
Speaker 2: we'll break those down for you tomorrow on Patriots Unfiltered.

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01:54:38,520 --> 01:54:40,680
Speaker 2: We got to go on this show, but thanks so

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01:54:40,760 --> 01:54:42,720
Speaker 2: much for watching, Thanks so much for listening.

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01:54:42,720 --> 01:54:45,600
Speaker 1: Another claim, Charles Woods defensive back week.

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01:54:45,880 --> 01:54:48,080
Speaker 2: We'll get to those next week and we'll be on

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01:54:48,360 --> 01:54:50,480
Speaker 2: Ten to Do next week on Wednesdays. We'll keep you

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01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:53,600
Speaker 2: updated on that on social media, but until then, signing off,

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01:54:53,840 --> 01:54:56,840
Speaker 2: Alex behind the Glass, Alex Barth, Evan Lazara, See you

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01:54:56,880 --> 01:55:02,440
Speaker 2: guys next week. Hey, this is Evan. Thanks for tuning

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01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:04,480
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01:55:04,600 --> 01:55:07,920
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2389
01:55:07,960 --> 01:55:10,720
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01:55:10,720 --> 01:55:13,360
Speaker 2: on the New England Patriots YouTube channel see this show

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01:55:13,400 --> 01:55:15,760
Speaker 2: and everything else we do here at the Patriots. Thanks

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01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:16,040
Speaker 2: a lot