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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huts. Giants, give

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Speaker 1: me some Joe, part of the Giants Podcast Network. Let's roll.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another initiative, The Giants Little Podcast, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Citizens, the official bank of the New York

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Speaker 1: Football Giants. I am John Schmelk, friend of the program.

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Speaker 1: He's been joining us every year for the past five

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Speaker 1: six years or so. Usually he's live from the combine.

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Speaker 1: We decided to get him a little bit close to

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Speaker 1: the free agency this year to really break things down.

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Speaker 1: Former agent and now you can see his analysis on

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Speaker 1: contracts at CBS Sports. Joe Cory, Joel, how.

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Speaker 2: Are you doing great?

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Speaker 1: How are you doing I'm doing great, Joel. It's good

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Speaker 1: to talk to you. The Giants. Let's start with their

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Speaker 1: free agents first year, and I think the players and

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Speaker 1: the markets at the positions are equally as interesting. So

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Speaker 1: let's start out with Saquon. The Giants decide not to

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Speaker 1: put a franchise tag on for the second consecutive year.

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Speaker 1: Now he enters a running back market that is extremely

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Speaker 1: deep with former Pro bowlers like Derrick Henry, Tony Pollard,

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Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs, Austin Eckler, throwing guys like the Jay Swift.

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Speaker 1: Devin Singletary had a good year last year, so did

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Speaker 1: Zach Moss. It's a flooded market. You get in on

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Speaker 1: sequon if you want. Just how do you think this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the economic conditions aren't great for running backs. If

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Speaker 2: you look at it first, supply and demand. You have

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Speaker 2: supply exceeding which should be expected. Demand never a good sign.

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Speaker 2: Then two, you had the market go backwards. Last year.

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Speaker 2: You had eight running backs of twelve million dollars per

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Speaker 2: you're probably gonna have two. Now. Nick Chubb will take

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Speaker 2: a pay cut or get released. Alvin Kamara could take

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Speaker 2: a pay cut or get released. Yeah, Jonathan Taylor do

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Speaker 2: the deal early during the season for fourteen million a year.

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Speaker 2: That's an anomaly. And you have Christian McCaffrey. Even the

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Speaker 2: this year have indicated that's too much for them. He

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Speaker 2: including the playoffs. So I don't like the environment for

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Speaker 2: last year when Miles Sanders got the best deal in

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Speaker 2: free agency at six point three five million per year.

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Speaker 2: If I'm Saquan and I'm not upset with the Giants,

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Speaker 2: because that could be a very real possibility. And the

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Speaker 2: reason I say that is when I represented free agents

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Speaker 2: and you had that much acrimony or that much difficulty

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Speaker 2: You know what, I'll go anyplace but here, unless the

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he feels that way, maybe likes

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Speaker 2: was surprised last year that he came so quickly on

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Speaker 2: the getting the incentives with the franchise tag, added his

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Speaker 2: don't know. In this environment, I try to get, I

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Speaker 2: different set of circumstances. He was second league in rushing,

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Speaker 2: But the offensive line is terrible. If you look at

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Speaker 1: So how quickly, Joel, do you think these guys are

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Speaker 1: If you were advising your clients on how to approach

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Speaker 2: Well, technically the agents have some idea because that's one

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Speaker 2: So basically all the deals for the first wave were

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Speaker 2: then inexplicably the Ravens gave him fifteen million on a

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Speaker 2: it was sixteen that's a rarity. Typically the money does

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and I think let's shift over now. The

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Speaker 2: Maybe not to the same degree. But it's not a

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Speaker 2: I didn't see all these guys getting released. I knew

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Speaker 2: had Adams was a seventeen and a half million per year.

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Speaker 2: So that leaves Mika Fitzpatrick, who became the highest paid

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Speaker 2: I don't want to do New England's deal just because

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Speaker 2: you can't do poison pills anymore. So in terms of matching,

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Speaker 2: a gross over pay and too Antoine Willmfield Junior got

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Speaker 2: I've seen reports. He wants top five money that's now

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Speaker 2: He also has an agent who's basically the safety guru,

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Speaker 2: You're trying to get. What you target and what you

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Speaker 2: money sixteen million a year, thirty six million in guarantees.

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Speaker 2: It's one thing. Getting it could be a different story.

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Speaker 2: Now the floor should be Grant Delphi because Xavier McKinney

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Speaker 1: Floor got all right, and the reason I asked you

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Speaker 1: Joel last year from the combine, he nailed the Daniel

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Speaker 1: we talked about that on that interview. So ballpark for

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Speaker 1: for both Barkley and McKinney will be, regardless of where

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Speaker 2: Uh. Wow, they're harder than last year. Had more certainty

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Speaker 2: It's not gonna be below Miles Sanders. If he's trying

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Speaker 2: upgrade the Ravens. If you put Saquan there, that's a

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Speaker 2: I'm still thinking McKinny gets paid. Maybe he's at fifteen

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Speaker 2: but the running back market's the tougher one than anyone

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Speaker 2: any market. I just would not want to represent a

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Speaker 1: breaking down free agency. All right, Joe, let's talk about

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Speaker 2: Well, it depends on how high you want to go.

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Speaker 2: If you're talking Kevin Michael Lunhu, that's a whole different

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I want to go swing tackle next. You read

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Speaker 2: But he's going to look to start. He's not looking

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Speaker 1: I know you talk to people on the league, Joel.

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Speaker 2: But McCarthy has pretty much solidified himself as the fourth quarterback.

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Speaker 1: All right, Joe, let's jump over to the defensive side

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Speaker 1: of the ball. Now, Giants have a bunch of needs here.

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Speaker 1: Leonard Floyd who have been productive. Are these guys look

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Speaker 1: at a one year deals or do you think for

432
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Speaker 1: a guy like Smith who's been a little bit more consistent,

433
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Speaker 1: he might be able to get a multi year deal.

434
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Speaker 2: Smith's a little bit older or maybe maybe the same

435
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Speaker 2: age as Clowney, but Fownd he's a king of one

436
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Speaker 2: year deals. He's never had his. He's never gotten that

437
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Speaker 2: huge payday. He got franchised by the Texans and then

438
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Speaker 2: was traded to Seattle. Got to know franchise tag class.

439
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 2: They didn't tag him. He's been going one year deal

440
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 2: ever since as a nomad. So he resurrected himself in Baltimore.

441
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Speaker 2: Signed for two and a half million plus incentives. It's

442
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Speaker 2: probably gonna go back to the eight to ten million

443
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Speaker 2: where he was before. Sadarius Smith wasn't happy in Minnesota

444
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Speaker 2: after they signed. Davenport got traded to Cleveland. Probably the

445
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Speaker 2: same range Leonard Leonard Floyd also has done once before.

446
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Speaker 2: Still effective. They're all probably in that same range on

447
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Speaker 2: a one year deal.

448
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Speaker 1: How about Davenport.

449
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Speaker 2: Oh, he was hurt last year, so he was hurting

450
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Speaker 2: in New Orleans most of the time. The only reason

451
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Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson got paid was because Davenport was hurt because

452
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Speaker 2: they cam Jordan the other side. So Trey Hendrickson take

453
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Speaker 2: advantage of it, goes to the Bengals and has now

454
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Speaker 2: gotten another extension. I'm not paying him more than five

455
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Speaker 2: million plus a lot of sack and playtime incentives because

456
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Speaker 2: I can't count on him and I had five million.

457
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Speaker 2: I want at least a million per game roster boss.

458
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Speaker 1: I that makes sense. How about Jonathan GREENERD. I think

459
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Speaker 1: he's interesting. He's just twenty six, productive last year, hitting

460
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Speaker 1: free agency, coming off a very good year at a

461
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Speaker 1: good time for him.

462
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Speaker 2: He scares me because year before you have won and

463
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Speaker 2: a half sacks yep, So I'm like, who, who is

464
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Speaker 2: the real guy? One and a half sacks or twelve

465
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Speaker 2: and a half before he had the ankle injury at

466
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Speaker 2: the end of the year, but he could. He's probably

467
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Speaker 2: looking at twenty He's probably thinking twenty million per year

468
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Speaker 2: or more based on what he did last year. But

469
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Speaker 2: if I'm a team, I'm a little leary just because

470
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Speaker 2: production wasn't there the year before, and it wonders. If

471
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Speaker 2: I'm a team, I don't know if I want to

472
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Speaker 2: be the one to buy a one year one wonder.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm with you. We got some young vets at

474
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Speaker 1: this position that have been the league. Come with someone

475
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Speaker 1: coming off their rookie deal. I think Dorin s armrm

476
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Speaker 1: is coming off an extension, but he's been a solid

477
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Speaker 1: rotational guy for Dallas. You have Andrew bank Ginkel with

478
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Speaker 1: a pretty nice year in Miami. And then I'll throw

479
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Speaker 1: aj At Panessa kind of into that conversation as well.

480
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Speaker 1: Who's been okay coming out of Buffalo? What's the that

481
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Speaker 1: kind of mid level average type of pass rusher? We

482
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Speaker 1: looking like the seventh to nine area for those.

483
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're there, probably looking around that range, although one

484
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Speaker 2: or more of those guys may try to do a

485
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Speaker 2: one thinking that if they can have a year where

486
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Speaker 2: they put it all together, they'll do better next year.

487
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, they're they're that next tier in terms of

488
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Speaker 2: when you're starting to almost go bargain shopping for edge

489
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Speaker 2: rushers because because you pay edge rushers a premium. No, absolutely,

490
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Speaker 2: because the first guy you pay is a quarter back.

491
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Speaker 2: The next guy he pays the guy who chases a

492
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Speaker 2: quarterback so.

493
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Speaker 1: And the next guy he pays the guy that protects

494
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Speaker 1: the quarterback from Yeah, that is true. Yeah, absolutely, Giants

495
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Speaker 1: have a sneaky eat. I think for a pass rushing

496
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Speaker 1: defensive tackle, Joel, I'm gonna throw out, you know, the

497
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Speaker 1: Christian Wilkins and the Leonard Williams of the world. I

498
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: think they're gonna make too much money. Anybody in the

499
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Speaker 1: middle of that market a defensive tackle that you think

500
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Speaker 1: could be a good value deal.

501
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't through. Wouldn't it be funny for Leonard Williams

502
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 2: because one understand what they did was they went to

503
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Speaker 2: him and beforehand told him we're thinking about trading you,

504
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 2: but if you really don't want to go, we won't

505
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 2: necessarily do it. So he felt real good about leaving.

506
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 2: If he's decided I've made money and I don't necessarily

507
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 2: need every last dollar because I think if he's deciding

508
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 2: I've made money, he wants the same as the last contract,

509
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 2: although he's older, if he's got some flexibility. Wouldn't it

510
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 2: be something if you picked up a second round pick,

511
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: which to me was you put on a ski mask

512
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 2: and stole from Seattle, because you shouldn't have gotten more

513
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 2: for him than what you gave up, what you had

514
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: to give up to get him. When he was younger.

515
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 2: To me, that was mind bogglings. It want to be

516
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Speaker 2: something if somehow that worked out. But I'm not sure

517
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 2: who you'd get. Really going for an interior defensive lineman

518
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 2: like that movie, a guy who played inside outside who

519
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: has a little familiarity with the defense would be de

520
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Speaker 2: Nico Audrey. And the reason why I say that is

521
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 2: Marity brings comfort and Shane Bone comes from Tennessee. Audrey

522
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 2: can play both inside outside, comes from the Titans. I've

523
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Speaker 2: looked for guys who were on the Titans who know

524
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Speaker 2: the defense to potentially be candidates to be Giants or

525
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 2: guys the Joe Shane had they were there when he

526
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Speaker 2: was the assistant GM to potentially be on the radar

527
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Speaker 2: screen of the Giants.

528
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Speaker 1: And that's one of the reasons I mentioned a Japanessa

529
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Speaker 1: one of the guys they drafted while he was there.

530
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Speaker 4: You love turf, You're good at it, so you start

531
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Speaker 4: a turf fizz business grows, your savings grow, become the

532
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 4: most celebrated name in turfs.

533
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Speaker 3: Are you ready for all that life rings?

534
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: All right, Let's go to corner and a couple of

535
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: those Titan players are at corner jowles, So you can

536
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Speaker 1: hit on those if you want. But let's separate this

537
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: at the slot and outside, because I do think there

538
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: are almost two distinct positions at this point. Let let's

539
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Speaker 1: start the slot guys first, because I feel like you

540
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: get really good value at slot corner and freezing.

541
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't get paid the outside guys, they don't

542
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Speaker 2: at all.

543
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can get a really good player for

544
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: like a way well, and they're ten million a year

545
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: that can start if you're good for you. So guys

546
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Speaker 1: like Kenny Moore I think is the first, and Jordan Lewis,

547
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: another guy from Dallas. I know he had some injury issues,

548
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: but he's been good for Dallas in the slot for

549
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: a long time. Those two guys, what do you think

550
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 1: the cost would be? And then any other slot guy's

551
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 1: gotta jump out at you.

552
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Speaker 2: Yeah, those two are the ones that really are on

553
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 2: my radar screen. You're really talking no more than ten

554
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: million per year, less for Lewis because he's been hurt.

555
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: But alluding to the Tennessee guys, yeah, Sean Murphy Bunting

556
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 2: probably no more than five million on a one and

557
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 2: Christian Fulton who was perpetually injured, has a lot of potential.

558
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 2: He could be a steal if healthy. Sometimes I won't

559
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: the other way that. If you know somebody, you don't

560
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 2: want anything to do with him. But typically you see

561
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: a lot of guys and I'll go back to a

562
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 2: long time, a long time ago with the Giants. I

563
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 2: used to call the Giants in the New Jersey Broncos

564
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 2: because of Dan Reeves, because all those Denver guys started

565
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: coming over and that kind of got on my radar screen,

566
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Speaker 2: and Parcels did that as well. He took former Giants

567
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: wherever he went. But yeah, Christian Fulton has a lot

568
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: of upside. It should be extremely cheap, probably no more

569
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Speaker 2: than three four million. I don't want. But here here's

570
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: what I keep an eye on. Haul pro Corner has

571
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: injuries past couple of years, rehaving an achilles just got released.

572
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: Joe Shane knows to Davius White he's gonna be much

573
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: cheaper than he'd ever be, and that screams one year deal.

574
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: I don't he is a risk because of all the injuries.

575
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: He hasn't had a healthy season since really twenty twenty.

576
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: He got hurt in twenty twenty one toward the ACL

577
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 2: came back late in twenty twenty two towards the Achilles

578
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: earlier this year, but he's been a high quality corner.

579
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's an interesting name. Two guys that

580
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Speaker 1: I think would I would consider towards the top of

581
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Speaker 1: the class, but they're not Pro Bowl corners, but they're

582
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Speaker 1: good players. Or Kendall Fuller and shaudobiu Woozie. They're both

583
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: kind of older, you know, mid range veterans, twenty eight

584
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Speaker 1: twenty nine years old. The both outside cornerbacks. The Giants

585
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: mightained an outside corner if the Dory Jackson does not return.

586
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Speaker 1: What do you think you're looking at fifteen million per

587
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: for those two guys? You think in that area.

588
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Speaker 2: You're gonna be over ten. You may not get to fifteen,

589
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: but yeah, over ten, Yeah, definitely if you want to

590
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 2: go that high. You guys, do you do have more

591
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,959
Speaker 2: cap space than you've had in some previous years, so

592
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: you could go out and have some make You could

593
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 2: go out and get a big ticket Eigher.

594
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I think you could probably do it two positions.

595
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Speaker 1: To be honest with you, if you.

596
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Speaker 2: Sh yeah, you're probably right. You probably could.

597
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Speaker 1: And you know, I'm thinking kind of Guarden edge. I

598
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Speaker 1: think those are the two spots that I think they

599
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Speaker 1: probably the biggest.

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Speaker 2: Well, you may have a sneaky need where it's not

601
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: a great it's not the same year was last year

602
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: in the draft and you saw the top tight end

603
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: go off the market and Dalton Schultz because Waller's contemplating retirement.

604
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know that. I think there are some

605
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: decent players there too, right Hunter Henry. I don't know

606
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: how much these guys are going to go for though.

607
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a little older and I've heard that New

608
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: England wants him back and he's probably thinking I don't

609
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: need to take a pay cut. I'm like, yeah, you do.

610
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: You haven't been out all that productive. You weren't really

611
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 2: much more productive than John Smith when they inexplicitly signed

612
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: both of them in twenty twenty one for nearly identical

613
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: twelve and a half million dollars per year deals. John who

614
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: took a pay cut to seven and a half million

615
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: per year last year to go to Atlanta and then

616
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: got released. Then Noah Fant, who has that first round pedigree,

617
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 2: was in a weird time share in Seattle with Will

618
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 2: Disley and Kobe Parkinson. So the stats aren't there. His

619
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Speaker 2: best year statistically were in Denver. He might be the

620
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: best young guy out there, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, So let's wrap up here with safety. We talked

622
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Speaker 1: about it in relation to McKinney. Right, I'm just gonna

623
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Speaker 1: throw out all these names. I mean, we talked about

624
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: some of them already, but guys we didn't Gino Stone,

625
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: Jordan Fuller, Jordan Whitehead, CJ. Gardner. Johnson was also more

626
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: of a nickel, right, Deshaun Elliott, Darnold Savage. Then you

627
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: have the veterans, the Teleraptus resigned, the veterans, Eddie Jackson, Poyer,

628
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: Micah High, Quandary Diggs, Justin Simmons. I mean, with all

629
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Speaker 1: these safeties, Joel, I gotta imagine you're gonna be able

630
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: to find a pretty good starting star.

631
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

632
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: It's definitely a year, right, Like.

633
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: It's a buyer's market, and we saw Rap sign what

634
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: was reported as a three year deal worth up to

635
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: fourteen point five million. I'm not gonna fall for the

636
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: Mike Evans reporting. So up to fourteen point five million

637
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: over three years means that's the max value. I don't

638
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: know what the base value is, but it certainly isn't

639
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: what would that be like four or five year or

640
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,959
Speaker 2: four point seventy five year. It's definitely not that as

641
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: the base value. But yeah, you got so many guys

642
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: out there. Some of them are a little bit older, but

643
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: you're gonna be able to find at least a guy

644
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 2: that has played at a high level. Maybe he still

645
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: can't play at what he the level he used to,

646
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: at a pretty good price, like you got the too

647
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: Bill safeties, Micah Hyde, who's free year there was released.

648
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: They're older, so they're gonna be probably no more than

649
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: six million, I would think, And Joe Shane knows those

650
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 2: two guys. But yeah, there are a ton of safeties

651
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 2: out there.

652
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: And then I want to touch on two running backs

653
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: we didn't mention earlier that I think are interesting because

654
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: they have connections to the Giants, and that Zach Wawson,

655
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: Devin Singletary. Right, you mentioned guys that Joe Shane knew

656
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: from Buffalo. They were both there in Buffalo when Joe

657
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: Shane was there. Both a pretty good years last year,

658
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: but again saturated market five like one you may not.

659
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 2: Have to go there. Wow. Zach Moss was interesting to

660
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: me because when Jonathan Taylor was out, It's like, do

661
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: you really need Jonathan Taylor because he was one of

662
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: the league leaders in rushing, And.

663
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: Then when Taylor came back, there were splitting carries fifty.

664
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Speaker 2: H initially until Taylor got up to speed. And you know,

665
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: I could see that one if sat Quan's gone, uh

666
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 2: single Singletarry took that job from Damian Pierce. I know

667
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: it's a regime change down there, but he was having

668
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 2: almost a thousand yard back as a rookie before he

669
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 2: got hurt. So yeah, one of those two guys potentially,

670
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 2: and they're not going to be expensive. Uh, You've got

671
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: so many guys out there, Austin Ekler, Older who's more

672
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: of a pass catching back. I already said Derek Henry,

673
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: DeAndre Smith, Pony Pollard. So yeah, you've got a glut

674
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: of running backs, not quite to the degree of the

675
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: number of safeties you now have, but still it's definitely

676
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 2: going to be a buyer's market for those two positions,

677
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 2: not a seller's market.

678
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then you have some bangers too, right like

679
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,479
Speaker 1: Gus Edwards, AJ Dillon, Doctor Foreman, like these are guys

680
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: that have had success in this league, and like you

681
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: want to you could put one of those guys with

682
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: either like a singletary of moss and probably be at

683
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: like seven and a half eight million dollars between the

684
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Speaker 1: two contracts.

685
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: And that's true.

686
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: Good about that?

687
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you can definitely go out and find a

688
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 2: way to replace safequon and with two backs, and you'll

689
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 2: probably raptly Kate's production.

690
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: All right, Joe, let's wrap up here. I'll ask you

691
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: a very broad question. What's one thing that you think

692
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: that you expect will happen that you think might surprise

693
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: people when free agency opens next week? What are the

694
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: things that you're really trying to keep an eye on,

695
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: And then what's one thing that might surprise people.

696
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Speaker 2: I'm curious to see first where these quarterbacks go. I mean,

697
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 2: at the top of the high end. One Baker Mayfield,

698
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 2: how much does he get off of resurrecting his career

699
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 2: If I'm him, I'm looking at this Daniel Jones contract

700
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 2: and going, hey, he gets forty. They didn't pick him

701
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: a fifty year option. I want forty. If I'm the

702
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: team like you're more like Geno Smith, that's twenty five

703
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 2: of upside to thirty five. Then you got the Dolphins

704
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: are they going to get to a done. That'll be

705
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 2: over fifty if it gets done. Jared Goff is someone

706
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,240
Speaker 2: that has a second day of the league year roster bonus.

707
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 2: He's proven that he's not just a product of Sean

708
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 2: mcvay's system. I'll probably over fifty. Then the big one

709
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 2: is Dak Prescott. If I'm Dak Prescott, I pull a

710
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 2: page out of Russell Wilson's book from twenty nineteen. I've

711
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,479
Speaker 2: got a almost fifty nine and a half million dollar

712
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 2: cap hit and no great clause, and you can't stick

713
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: a franchise tag on me if I play out my contract.

714
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: Russell reportedly told the Seahawks in twenty and nineteen, we

715
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: have a deal done by X date or we never

716
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 2: negotiate again, when he was going to his contract year,

717
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: when they made the highest paid player in the league.

718
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 2: I know Dak didn't play well against Green Bay, but

719
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 2: he was the NFL MVP runner up. I'd tell Jerry

720
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 2: if I'm Todd France and Jerry, if Dak would allow

721
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 2: me to do it here, we're done by this date.

722
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: It's got to be X. If not, you can find

723
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Speaker 2: yourself a quarterback next year. I'd stick a gun to

724
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Speaker 2: his head.

725
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't mean to interrupt you, but I don't

726
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: really understand what dallas a strategy is here, right, I

727
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: mean they waited so long they get the last contract

728
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: done to your they can't tag them right now and

729
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: you can't. And he also has no trade clause, right,

730
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: it's only you can go and trade them for picks

731
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: if you want. So he's a sixty million dollar number

732
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, I still think as of this recording on

733
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Speaker 1: on Thursday at one o'clock that was a still over

734
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: the cap are compliant yet, So well.

735
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 2: They can get compliant with him. And if they do

736
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: this to me, that means they're not close on the negotiation.

737
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 2: They've got two voting dummy years already in the contract,

738
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: so they got automatic conversion rights in the in the

739
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 2: in the contract, so they could kick the can down

740
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 2: the road and they pick up almost twenty two million

741
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: cap space that way, but they can't use the roster bonus.

742
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: If they do get a deal done, they could still

743
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 2: use his base salary, but not the roster bonus. But

744
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 2: then let's say they don't get anything done, then they

745
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 2: have fifty eight million of dead money next year, so

746
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 2: you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

747
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: There just seems to be no urgency there, which to

748
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: me is shocking. It's just very odd the way they're

749
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: handling it to me. I don't know.

750
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, how Hannah, the first time was just as

751
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 2: odd because the reason you're in this position is you

752
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: one didn't do it early when he was going into

753
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 2: his contract year two. You made him play on a

754
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 2: franchise tag. You created unnecessary conditions which may have created

755
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 2: some macrimonying. You had to make all these concessions to

756
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: get a deal done, So that's their own fault.

757
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, absolutely know. Gian Fan's great. I mean, the

758
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: Lord turmoil theers in Dallas, the better it is to

759
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: the people in this building, the happier we all are.

760
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: And then the one thing you didn't mention is Kirk Cousins.

761
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,919
Speaker 1: I mean, isn't he kind of the lynchpin? And where

762
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: he goes is going to impact the draft too, because

763
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: it seems to be Atlanta Minnesota. You know, I think

764
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: other teams could be in the mix too. But if

765
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Speaker 1: a team doesn't get Cousins, then all of a sudden

766
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: they've got to be all in on a quarterback. In

767
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: the draft, right, Yeah, that's true.

768
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 2: Or maybe let's say Atlanta. Let's say Cousins goes back

769
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 2: to Minnesota. Does that put justin fields in play for

770
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 2: Atlanta if they don't draft somebody. But Cousins was playing

771
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: the best football of his career before Toy's achilles. They

772
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 2: have an interesting what should be urgency for them. This

773
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 2: contract voids the last day of the league year. They

774
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: have these voting dummy years in his contract where there's

775
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: going to be twenty eight point five million of dead

776
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 2: money is opposed to ten point twenty five million of

777
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: bonus pro ration right now counting in twenty twenty four.

778
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 2: If they don't get a deal done, it expires. So

779
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: if they get a deal done before the end of

780
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 2: the league year, the bonus pro ration for his twenty four,

781
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 2: twenty five, twenty six, and twenty seven years remains intact,

782
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 2: kind of like the Saints, you Steve Drew Brees. But

783
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 2: if not, it's twenty eight point five million in dead money,

784
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: then they'd have to go out and resign him. If

785
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: they did, I suspect that he's going to be at

786
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 2: least forty million per year if you take the thirty

787
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: five million which was his last extension in twenty twenty two.

788
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 2: At justin percap inflation, you're at forty three.

789
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: And then you mentioned Justin Fields, and I promise is

790
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: the last follow up. I can't believe with all these

791
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: quarterback desperate teams that we talked about with running back

792
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: in safety, how there's more guys circling the chairs than

793
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: there are chairs. It's the opposite with quarterback, right there's

794
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: only a couple of guys walking around a whole bunch

795
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: of chairs that teams want to fill. I can't believe

796
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: there's not a team out there willing to give up

797
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: a second round pick. I'm not the biggest Justin Fields guy.

798
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 1: I think he's a good uarterback. I don't think he's great.

799
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Speaker 1: But if you're a team like the Steelers, even like

800
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: mid mid to late second round picks not worth to

801
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: roll the dice on a quarterback like Fields, that confuses

802
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: me a little bit, to be honest with you.

803
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 2: Well, if I'm the Bears, I'm looking at the Sam

804
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 2: Bradford compensation. When the Jets for drafting Zach Wilson, he

805
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: went to Carolina and then they trained for Bacon Mayfield.

806
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: The second year they give up a second and I

807
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: think a fourth and another pick. I'm kind of looking

808
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: at that as the baseline. Then you got them. They're

809
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: really intriguing. On or Russell Wilson, He's got thirty nine

810
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 2: million fully guaranteed for an offset that he's gonna get

811
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: from Denver, so you can play. He can go someplace

812
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: and play for league minimum. Right, you can say what

813
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: you want about Russell Wilson. If you can get a

814
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: quarterback who could start for a one point two to

815
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 2: one million dollar base salary, that makes him a whole

816
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 2: lot more attractive to teams because he's not gonna do

817
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: Denver any favors. The more money he makes, the more

818
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: they get off the hook from the thirty nine million

819
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 2: with the offset, So he's gonna sign for minimum or

820
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 2: next to it. That could make him attracted to somebody

821
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: to come in and be a bridge starter, and maybe

822
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: he drafts someone like the Raiders drafted quarterback, have him

823
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: come in for a year. He gets a chance to

824
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: try to resurrect himself and then go elsewhere. Since he

825
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: says he wants to be on the Tom Brady plane

826
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: and play as long as he can.

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Speaker 1: Hi Joel tell the folks where they gonna find your

828
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: work and anything else you want them to know about

829
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: that you're up to.

830
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can find me on x at Corey Joel.

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Speaker 2: That's CORROI Jel. I have a piece out right now

832
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 2: on ten intriguing offensive players who either franchised or will

833
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: be unrestricted, and I set target prices for them. Although

834
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: when people read the article they go, this is the projection.

835
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, it's not the projection. It's what I

836
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: would be looking to get if I represented the guy.

837
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: What you ask for in what you get aren't necessarily

838
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 2: the same thing, and you ask for more than you

839
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: think you might get. Because in Saquan's case, I'm like,

840
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: if I can get what I got last year, well,

841
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: I had added for eleven million per year, twenty million

842
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 2: fully guaranteed at signing twenty three in overall guarantees on

843
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: a three year deal. I don't think he's gonna get that.

844
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Speaker 2: That's what I'd be asking for. And tomorrow defensive players come.

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Speaker 1: Out, well, that'd be awesome. And this is going up

846
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: on Friday, so both those should be up by the

847
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Speaker 1: time you guys watch and listen to this on a

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Speaker 1: Giants Little Podcast Joe, I love talking to you man,

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Speaker 1: You're the best. Thanks so much, and let's stay in

850
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Speaker 1: touch and enjoy the chaos of the next ten days

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Speaker 1: or so.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, definitely definitely will all right.

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