WEBVTT - Draft Show: A Closer Look At Tight End, D-Line & More 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:07.280 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys, 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:11.320 I'm your war room for incenter news and draft analysis 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:14.760 from deep within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:20.239 Star in for School Dallas Cowboys Select. And now your 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:25.439 hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and Brian brought us Well. Well, 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:29.640 welcome back to the Draft Show for our weekly addition. 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:33.479 What are you doing over there, David Hellman, I'm just 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:37.200 filming some social media coming and our social media users. 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:40.760 There you go, you're good. Yeah, that's David Hellman doubling 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:45.440 as the geographer, scout, whatever you want to call him. 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:47.479 The man if many hats man many hats to my right, 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:49.879 is one of the best scouts in the league my opinion. 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:54.160 Dane Brugler, what's up there, big timer? How about putting 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:56.600 that mic in front of your Are we doing? Hey? 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:59.640 You know, look, please help me out with this, Okay. 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:04.120 I heard a rumor that before Layton vander Esh picked 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:07.640 out his jersey, he saw your senior video when you're 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:09.759 running out of the field and saw fifty five and said, 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:12.759 I am number fifty five for the Dallas count Double fives. 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:16.040 Baby about that? Shouts out too that's the rumor. That's 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:18.520 the rumor. Yeah, if you don't know what Dane's talking about, 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:21.600 I tweeted it out a picture Bobby Belt from the 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:25.119 NFL Network. Quas always comes up with some really cool content. 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:28.640 Rare footage of Brian brought us senor Senior night nineteen 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:31.920 eighty six in Baton rouge Me following Roland Barbee. One 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:33.720 of the good players we had on that team that 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:36.399 day was that Dan Bourne in the background, Like, has 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.360 he been doing it that long? I honestly don't know. No, 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:42.800 that uh, the the announcer, it's about the PA. Yeah, no, 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:49.640 I think number fifty five. Somebody is Dallas, Texas T W. White. Yeah, 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:52.320 it's okay, Yeah, you're close. But yeah, it was kind 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:56.080 of Garrison. We got it on the old TV Garrison there, 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:58.000 I am. Look at this fifty five. Look at that 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:02.320 guy with hair? How about that squareness? To me? Didn't 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:08.720 it's a better ball security? Yeah, my dad in the background. 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:11.720 Dad's lost a lot of weight since that day. Bill 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:13.800 Larens Barker shaking my hand. Though, when the last time 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:15.920 you saw that video or did you ever see it? 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:18.960 I never knew it existed. I never It's probably one 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:21.920 of those Cox Cable things, Dave. You know Baton Rouge. 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:25.720 Oh yeah, they film it in Nate like every big 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:29.680 name program. Yeah, you can find the craziest stuff online. 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:32.120 I'm like, people just archive their games. I went, which 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:35.240 I went? I spent like thirty minutes watching the Tennessee 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.480 Florida State National title game a couple of nights ago. 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:41.880 I just know a Taylor Stern gave it the great nickname. 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:45.520 It's the the Great Time Machine, yep, and that you know. 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:47.720 I tried to explain to my son how great of 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:50.760 a frontman Freddie Mercury was and I had to show 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.680 him live aid in you know, nineteen eighty five. Good stuff. 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:58.200 So anyway, um, I appreciate you guys mentioned it. And no, 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:01.200 I don't think Layton Vanderish as the rumor. I think 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.120 Layton Vanderish would have a zone on this one though. 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:05.040 I have a better player than you. Yeah, thank you. 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:06.760 We're gonna get in some fun things today with the 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:10.200 Draft show. I do want to, uh, Dave, I want 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:12.800 you to kind of run through a in the second 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:14.480 half of the show. Yeah, we've got to tell me more, 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:16.560 not tell me where it's give me a Twitter on 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:18.640 the twenty coming up at twenty. Want to get to 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:20.480 all your questions. We only if we can take some 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:22.799 calls today too. I'd like that eight eight eight eight 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:25.600 five five two two ninety seven is the number we 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:27.919 can do that. I love the interaction we have. Kent 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:31.119 Gerson is executive producing, and you're gonna You're gonna love 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.080 our listeners are gonna love this would you rather? Segments 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:36.120 you put together? Because I'm going down in this list. 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:40.120 We're basically gonna break down. I would say half of 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:43.480 the hot names that people are yeah, this is, this is, yeah, 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:46.160 you know, would you rather? Is? We're gonna just gonna 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:47.920 Dame brug and I are gonna go back and forth 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:50.360 and I haven't heard these names yet. Oh yeah, yeah. 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.080 This will be fun because these guys, a lot of 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:56.560 these guys are really close within the position and would 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:58.160 you rather? And we're gonna get We're gonna try and 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:01.480 give some quick reasons why one or the other, you know, 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:03.760 and we'll see if we can do that. But you 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:07.080 know what, I want to get to guys. The opening 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:12.880 this show, though, Scouts are you know, I'm starting out 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:15.200 have breakfasts. The Scouts are here at the star are 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:17.440 they're getting ready for the combine and all that. Though, 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:22.280 you know, Dane and Dave when they dig in, when 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:25.080 they really dig in, now, you know they've got their areas, 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:28.440 they've got their areas that their response before, and they'll 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:32.640 have their cross checks and things like that. Though what 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:36.400 are they what are they going to experience? What are 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.680 they What's something that's going to be surprising to them 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:42.800 about this draft? You know, again, they might be in 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:45.400 their region of the country in the southeast, but what 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:48.320 are they going to be surprised about this draft? And 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:52.000 maybe that question is there is there some type of 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:55.159 is there a myth to this draft? You know what 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:57.919 I'm saying, is there something that you know, we're already 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:01.120 kind of thinking that, oh, people have kind of got 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:03.560 it going this way, but you know, but that's that's 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:06.440 a myth. There's something else. But what are these scouts 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:08.560 as they get in and they start digging, Because Dane, 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.680 you've you've really you've dug in, You're you've got this 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:14.640 scene pretty covered sure well, and scouts around the country. 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:18.520 I'm trying to catch up to you, and I want 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:22.400 to know, is is there something that we're you're hearing now? 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:25.800 But it's really a myth about this draft. Well, I 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.239 think first and foremost, or the players in this draft. 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:30.840 First and foremost, you're trying to catch up to the underclassmen, right, 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:32.840 because you know you did the bulk of your work 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:35.400 was done on the seniors throughout the throughout the year, 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:37.760 and then the juniors you knew who were coming out, right, 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:40.080 But there's always surprisers, there's always I mean, this year 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:42.560 we had one hundred and thirty five juniors come out underclassmen. 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.080 First time ever we've come close to that number. Um, 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:47.400 I think twelve more than last year or something like that. 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:50.760 So you know, it's, uh, it's a case where you're 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:52.880 playing a little bit of catch up. Even when you 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:54.279 you know you had an area and you know the 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:56.520 player from the season, you're just playing a little bit 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:58.200 of catch up to make sure you know everything about 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:01.799 the guy background so there's no surprises at the combine. 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:03.840 So when you do go to the combine, you know 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:06.280 the right questions to ask during the interviews, you have 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:08.240 a full understanding who the player is, and you're not 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:11.800 surprised by anything. In terms of a myth, you know, 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.400 I think when we when you stack the positions, because 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:17.280 that's what I mean. All teams do it differently in 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:19.839 terms of draft board and when they actually do it. 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.320 A lot of teams will stack their draft board before 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:24.960 the combine, right, Yeah, we used to do that green Bay. 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:27.679 We used to do We used to do the skill 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:30.320 guys we did after. So we did the skill positions 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:32.960 after the combine because then we knew the forty times. 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:37.039 But then we would do offense and defensive linemen before 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:39.159 we actually went to the combines. So we would start 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:42.080 to set our board before we went to the combine. Again. 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:45.640 This is this is nineteen ninety two through nineteen ninety six, 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:48.760 you know, and I'm sure that John Dorsey and those 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:51.039 guys who came from the Green Bay system probably do 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:52.880 a lot of the same thing. But what are some 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:55.400 of the things they're strugg they're gonna struggle with. What 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:57.640 are some of those things? Is there's something, as you know, 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:00.320 are are there positions that these guys are to come 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:02.080 in and feel like they can draft at all day? 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:05.720 Well and the other ones you're gonna say, whoa, whoa, whoa. 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:07.520 I don't want to say it's a myth, but I 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:10.160 wonder if maybe it's overblown because we've even we've talked 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:13.200 about it here and it's a logical talking point just 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.080 when you look at the top of the board that ever, 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:17.520 you know, this is a defense heavy draft. There's no 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:20.960 you know, the common line of thing. He's like, well, 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:23.559 there's no offensive players in this draft, nobody worth getting 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:25.960 excited about. But like that's never true, you know, Well, 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:28.680 I mean, especially like you go down one through two 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:32.120 fifty six, like they're gonna be players. We're putting together 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:36.280 a very enticing looking list of wide receivers. Talk plenty 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:38.520 about some of these running backs. Y'all keep telling me 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:41.800 this is a very deep tight end class. So clearly 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.120 both of those things can't be true. And maybe, you know, 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:46.040 maybe eight of the first ten picks are going to 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:48.960 be defense. Maybe you won't see a wide receiver off 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:52.000 the board until the twenties or the thirties or the forties. 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:55.080 But that doesn't mean that those there aren't talented players 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:56.680 to be found. Or we could see a surprise and 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:58.880 see a wide receiver go top ten like we did 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:01.880 two years ago when Corey Davis, Mike Williams, John Ross 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.320 All went to top ten. Was a surprise. Yeah, no 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:06.640 one expected three wide receivers are go in the top ten. 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.080 You think that you think that might happen this, I 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.520 mean three, No, way right, I can't find the first 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:14.400 round wide receiver right now. The thing is is DK 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:18.640 Metcalf and Marquis guys. Yeah, we're talking about high upside guys. Yeah, 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.600 if you're a team that is missing an explosive element 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:25.360 on offense and you know Marquis Brown could potentially fill that. Yeah, 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:28.400 DK Metcalf has huge upside as a number one receiver 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:31.120 in this league. You just have to you know, get 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:33.480 him there, you know, in terms of developing him as 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:36.079 a runner, as a finisher, keeping him in the football field. 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:38.440 So there are I can make a strong case why 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:40.839 you shouldn't be in the top ten. But when you 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:43.800 break down just the physical freak that he is, the 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:46.160 high upside that he offers, you know, if he can 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:47.920 be a true number one in this league, then you 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:50.319 know it's gonna be enticing. I think an interesting question 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.880 will be, and this is a question for both of you, 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:57.520 who will be the first running back, wide receiver, tight end, 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.280 just of those three positions, who will be the first 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.440 drafted I'm gonna well, I'm not I saw you talking 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:05.760 about this on Twitter this morning, so I know your answer, 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:08.840 are you well, yes, yeah, I'm not sure it's my 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:11.480 for sure, guests, but I think there's a strong chance. 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:14.640 Oh it's good tight end. He thinks the old hawkeyets. Yeah, 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:19.360 oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely, yeah. I mean, no, ILL tell 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:23.200 you what though that context? Right? Oh no, I love 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:26.040 the Alabama running back. Let's put that in context. When 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:29.160 was the last time and I have no idea when 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.040 was the last time that happened? When was the last time? 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:34.439 The first Vernon Davis probably? Yeah? What ten? He went 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:38.440 like fifth oh five to San Francisco. Yeah, gosh, yeah, 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:41.720 went like nine? He wasn't was he nine? Was he 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:44.840 top ten? But even Eric Ebron went behind Sammy Watkins 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:48.000 and Evans? Yeah yeah, yeah, oh no, you'd have to 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:51.240 do some research. I think Vernon Davis might be it. Jeez. 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:55.839 Any there's no chance that Jacobs gets taken before that, right, 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:59.920 the Alabama running back? Absolutely it could. I mean, look, 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:04.320 Harmon at wide receiver, would he be? What's the ceiling 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:06.560 on metcalf? You think? So? I don't like that. Look 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:12.280 you just gave me about Harman well in the receiver. 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.560 North Carolina state right in the talking about him being 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:17.680 in the first of those three positions drafted. That would 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:20.360 surprise me. Yeah. I like Harmon, but that would surprise 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.120 me if he's the first um. Who is the first 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:27.360 wide receiver on your board? I'm going with Metcalf. Okay, 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:29.439 just because of the high upside. Now, I wouldn't take 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:33.160 him top ten, but late first round. Yeah, that's where 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:35.800 him and Marky's Brown. I haven't seen a tight end 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:38.320 is going to go before the late first round. Probably 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:42.720 tight ends, tight en keep going the top ten. Detroit 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:47.959 at eight, Buffalo, Detroit again, and oh my god. And 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:49.800 then they're hey, they're they were right about the guy 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:52.319 who played well at Indianapolis this year. Buffalo at nine. 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:56.080 Help out your young quarterback, Green Bay. Let me ask 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:58.000 you this or the tight ends in this draft? Okay, 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:01.280 here comes the myth. Here is this? The myth? Are 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:03.680 the tight ends and the are the wide receivers better 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:06.280 than the tight ends in this draft? That's a that 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:07.960 would be a myth, wouldn't it. Well, I think that 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:10.360 kind of goes I don't want to say it's a myth, 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:12.440 but that kind of goes to my point. When I 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:14.160 look at the Cowboy. I said it the wrong way 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:16.680 there Boys, something we did. When I look at the Cowboys, 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:20.120 like I I trust that a receiver you who are 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:22.080 going to find at fifty eight is more likely to 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:24.280 contribute early than a tight end that you find at 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:28.120 fifty eight. That's just that's just NFL trends more so 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:32.520 than this specific class. So, you know, Hockinson and Fan 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:37.000 are like argue. I mean, if you could get those guys, 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.440 that would be great. And I'm far more intrigued by 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:45.520 those guys than Marquise Brown. But that's from the Cowboys perspective. 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:49.360 That's about about two about two of the smallest explosive 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:53.640 players on the same club at Oklahoma with that quarterback, 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:57.200 oh yeah, and this wide receiver well in the Kyler 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.880 Murray discussion, that's and that running back they have. If 0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:03.839 you didn't have a medical issue, he'd be considered pretty 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:05.520 highly too. I think, yeah, I don't know if you 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:06.960 can make it in the first but yeah, he'd be 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:11.640 probably fifty type of guy. Yeah. Yeah. When I finished 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:13.559 his report, watching his tape, you just saw a lot 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:16.720 of James Connor, which that big body, but the ability 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:19.560 to you know, have the patience to read his blocks, 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:22.320 take strong cuts. Um, yeah, I think you see a 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:24.480 lot of that. Okay, medicals would be big for him. 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:26.560 What position you think then it's going to be the 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:30.680 biggest reach. It's always quarterback. It's always gonna be a quarterback. 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:33.280 Well maybe not all take take this year, take take okay, 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:35.920 this year. It is absolutely okay. I don't think there's 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:39.920 a even even Dwayne Haskins, who is the top quarterback 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:41.400 for me, and I think the favorite too. So any 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:43.679 quarterbacks is taking the first round other than Haskins to 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:46.079 you is probably our reach in my opinion. Yes, wow, 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.520 that that that's just that's terrifle. I mean Kyler Murray's 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:52.840 the wild card just because like I like him better 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.760 than I like Lamar Jackson last year and I have 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.160 Lamar Jackson. I think Raid is my thirty two best player. 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:00.040 So I don't think I'll have a first roun on 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.760 great on Kyler, but I like them better than the 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.040 more Jackson as a prospect, and I'll probably have him 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:07.720 ready hire. Could he rise on your board, like like 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:11.199 the kid at Kansas City did Mahomes? You kind of 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:15.480 started off Mahomes at fifty Yeah, and then you have 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:17.400 to talked about this before. It's just it's hard with 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:20.760 these quarterbacks because it's one thing to study them on 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:22.559 tape and see what they can do, but it's such 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.480 a mental position, right and without and especially the guys 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.000 from the Big twelve. Yeah, and if you can't don't 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:30.080 have a chance to sit down with them, break down 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:33.200 plays and coverages on a whiteboard with them, Yeah, it's 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:36.000 hard to really understand where they are mensely in their development, 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:38.480 how much they know, how much they don't know, uh, 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.840 because that's such a big part of the quarterback evaluation. 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:45.400 So it's we're just on the outside looking in. We're 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:47.839 at a disadvantage with these quarterbacks, and especially with a 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.400 guy like Kyler Murray. I never get that right. It's 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.160 just it's it's tough. It's it's you watch the tape. 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:55.679 That's what you can go on. Give me a position, though, Guys, 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:59.160 you feel like you could draft that all day. I mean, 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:04.040 we mentioned tighten, but it didn't get there. Verds. I 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:05.920 love the edge rushers in the first two rounds. Can 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:08.760 I just cheat and say defensive line? I mean yeah, 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:11.040 although I will say I don't think the defensive tackle 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:14.400 class is as steep as it was last year. Yeah, 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:16.520 or as as much as we talked, we talked about 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.080 being like or not we but people talked about the 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:22.240 defensive tackle class being, you know, the clearly the best 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:25.000 position group in this draft. I don't think it's the 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:29.040 top three and if you include see now that I 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:35.440 was that that is a widely perceived thing in this 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:37.520 draft classes. Why did I feel like that I could 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:41.280 get a fourth round defensive tackle. Oh, you probably can, 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:43.840 but I mean a guy that could help you. Sure, No, 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:45.560 I think that's fair. I mean, you get a Daylon 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:48.360 Mac from Texas A and M sure. Yeah. But in 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:51.320 terms of this defensive tackle class being historic, would you 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:53.640 call it an accurate It seems top heavy to me? 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:57.520 Like there's definitely five or six really intriguing prospects in 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.560 the maybe the first two rounds. Yeah, after that, and 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:03.480 I honestly, I think the edge rushers are more top 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:06.120 p well, I think the edg rushers are more top 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:09.520 heavy plus deeper because with edge rushers, you know, I 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:13.000 feel Rosa Allan sweat Farrell feel great about Bosta. Best 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:15.600 player in this draft easily. Yeah, And that's gonna make 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:18.520 that mistakes after that. Josh Allen from Kentucky who I 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:20.680 have some issues with some of the stuff. Yeah, I 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:23.280 like him. I'm not sure he's the clear cut number 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:26.840 two pick some people think, but I like him. Cleveland Farrell, 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.480 did Chi Polite, who I like better than you. Yeah, Polite. 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:32.440 People reach out to me about Polite because they are like, 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.600 why why do you not like Polite? And I trust me, 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:38.920 if whatever your gut feeling is on Polite is probably 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:42.200 right as opposed to get no, And I mean I 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:44.480 got wrong with you know, I just I see a 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:46.600 two hundred forty nine pound guy. That's what I mean. 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:48.920 I kind of you're not wrong. And but but I 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:51.560 like Sweat who's two fifty two. So what kind of 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:53.800 logic is that? What's a better run the lodder? Yeah, 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:56.520 so what's a better run defender? Did Chi Polite, who 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:58.120 by the way, it was two hundred and seventy pounds 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:00.520 when he got there. Yeah, now a boy, Yeah, but 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:02.360 he was a subpackage, you guy, he wasn't asked to 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:05.400 be a contribute as a run defender on a consistent basis. 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:09.200 But you know, these guys, there's a lot of potential there, 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:12.760 whereas with defensive tackle. You know, QUINNI Williams the best 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:16.000 defensive tackle in his draft. Jeffrey Simmons shortly after that. Yeah, 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:19.640 and then you've got Christian Wilkoms and Oliver m So 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:21.680 I think that's fair to call it top heavy because 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.320 then it falls off. I think a little bit um, 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:25.760 you know, once you get past that, and you think 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:26.920 you're in a little trouble if you have to get 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:30.080 a linebacker in this draft. I mean, I haven't done 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:32.920 them all, haven't studied them all, but you think you're 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:36.280 in a little trouble. Not a great group for linebackers. 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.960 But okay, I'll put it this way. Linebackers are safeties. 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.760 Which one which the first few linebackers drafted last year? 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:50.880 How many we saw Edmunds, um, Georgia Evans, Edmunds, sorry 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:55.120 not Evans, vander esh Rashaun Evans, Oh yeah, I got, 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:57.120 I got. I'm not crazy, Yeah, I got the draft 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:00.480 right here. So so those four linebackers right there, would 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:02.240 you take any of these linebackers ahead of those four? 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:05.720 Was that Roquan Smith was at eight just I'm just 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:09.600 gonna go through it again, and then Tremaine Edmunds sixteen sixteen, 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:12.159 good job? Yeah, And then you had Vanderesh at nineteen, 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:16.959 it's Evans at twenty two. Tennessee. It's so hard not 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:20.159 to think about their production, rookie production when you're answering 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:23.359 it is because like, right right, you take any one 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:25.520 of these guys in the last draft over these guys 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:29.200 right now, That's what I'm asking. Yeah, yes, but of yeah, 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:31.959 of Devin White. I don't know. I'm like Jack Wilson, 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:35.440 those guys. I might take Devin White over Evans, but 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:39.040 the top three it's tough. Yeah, Edmonds, you would take 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:42.080 him out or you would take him out. If I 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.439 hadn't seen all these guys play as rookies, I might 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:47.040 have different opinions, like, yeah, I'd take Devin White over 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:49.679 a couple of those guys. I think back to like 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:51.760 how not sold. A lot of people were on Layton 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.000 vander Esh at the time, and then you got Devin White, 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:57.520 who just annihilated everything in the SEC for like three years. 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.920 I think it sounds stupid. You watch the guy put 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:03.480 together a Rookie of the Year type season, but it 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:06.600 wouldn't have been a crazy conversation a year ago, you know. 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:09.320 So yeah, I mean we're so high on Roquan Smith. 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:11.480 I don't know. I don't, I don't, I don't think. 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:13.640 I don't think there's anybody at linebacker I'm gonna talk 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:17.679 about like him. No, no, no. But also selfishly, you know, 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:20.360 my job is to provide the Cowboys perspective, like, yeah, 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:22.280 I don't care. We don't have to worry about it. 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:25.200 That's that's somebody else's problem. And you have to drive 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:27.919 linebacker class. I mean, like Devin White, I think it's 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:31.040 the first round linebacker. I love Devin Bush, Love Devin Bush. Yeah, 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.280 short though, Yeah, that's the thing. It's the length is 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:35.880 what worries me. Yeah. Mack Wilson from Alabama, I think 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:38.800 has upside. You know, I think he could be a 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:40.959 three down player in the NFL. But really run you 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:44.760 really worry about the consistency. Um My boy from Hawaii 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.280 to Vye could buy you need to watch sleep folks, 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.080 don't Yeah, don't sleep on the If you find Hawaii tape, 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:53.359 check it out. Um. Jermaine Pratt from NC State to 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:55.520 von Koni from these I need to see these guys 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:58.440 from Stanford. I saw him at the Senior Bowl. I 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:00.680 think there was a more. I mean I think Pratt's 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.359 probably maybe might get in the second round. But Coney 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:07.000 um Okareki he's a third round guy. So yeah, I 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:09.439 think it does drop off pretty quickly. And the top 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:12.520 guys aren't guys that you really get excited about like 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:14.880 last year. Yeah I was. I was more excited about 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:17.440 the group last year. I think I took time during 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:20.399 this segment to look at Dane's two round mock that 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:22.440 he just put up on the Athletic a little while ago. 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:27.120 Um So, like I said, defense heavy at the top 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:30.119 of this thing, right, He's got eighteen defenders going in 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.359 the first round, and four of his offensive picks or quarterbacks. 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:36.920 So and you know quarterbacks are always their own category, 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:39.360 so I think another five are offensive linement. Yes, well 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:42.040 you've only I think Markus Brown. I think and and 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:45.040 Hockinson are the only skill players you have. Oh and 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:48.640