Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys,
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Speaker 1: from deep within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the
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Speaker 1: hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and Brian brought us Well. Well,
Speaker 1: welcome back to the Draft Show for our weekly addition.
Speaker 1: What are you doing over there, David Hellman, I'm just
Speaker 1: filming some social media coming and our social media users.
Speaker 1: There you go, you're good. Yeah, that's David Hellman doubling
Speaker 1: as the geographer, scout, whatever you want to call him.
Speaker 1: The man if many hats man many hats to my right,
Speaker 1: is one of the best scouts in the league my opinion.
Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, what's up there, big timer? How about putting
Speaker 1: that mic in front of your Are we doing? Hey?
Speaker 1: You know, look, please help me out with this, Okay.
Speaker 1: I heard a rumor that before Layton vander Esh picked
Speaker 1: out his jersey, he saw your senior video when you're
Speaker 1: running out of the field and saw fifty five and said,
Speaker 1: I am number fifty five for the Dallas count Double fives.
Speaker 1: Baby about that? Shouts out too that's the rumor. That's
Speaker 1: the rumor. Yeah, if you don't know what Dane's talking about,
Speaker 1: I tweeted it out a picture Bobby Belt from the
Speaker 1: NFL Network. Quas always comes up with some really cool content.
Speaker 1: Rare footage of Brian brought us senor Senior night nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty six in Baton rouge Me following Roland Barbee. One
Speaker 1: of the good players we had on that team that
Speaker 1: day was that Dan Bourne in the background, Like, has
Speaker 1: he been doing it that long? I honestly don't know. No,
Speaker 1: that uh, the the announcer, it's about the PA. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I think number fifty five. Somebody is Dallas, Texas T W. White. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's okay, Yeah, you're close. But yeah, it was kind
Speaker 1: of Garrison. We got it on the old TV Garrison there,
Speaker 1: I am. Look at this fifty five. Look at that
Speaker 1: guy with hair? How about that squareness? To me? Didn't
Speaker 1: it's a better ball security? Yeah, my dad in the background.
Speaker 1: Dad's lost a lot of weight since that day. Bill
Speaker 1: Larens Barker shaking my hand. Though, when the last time
Speaker 1: you saw that video or did you ever see it?
Speaker 1: I never knew it existed. I never It's probably one
Speaker 1: of those Cox Cable things, Dave. You know Baton Rouge.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they film it in Nate like every big
Speaker 1: name program. Yeah, you can find the craziest stuff online.
Speaker 1: I'm like, people just archive their games. I went, which
Speaker 1: I went? I spent like thirty minutes watching the Tennessee
Speaker 1: Florida State National title game a couple of nights ago.
Speaker 1: I just know a Taylor Stern gave it the great nickname.
Speaker 1: It's the the Great Time Machine, yep, and that you know.
Speaker 1: I tried to explain to my son how great of
Speaker 1: a frontman Freddie Mercury was and I had to show
Speaker 1: him live aid in you know, nineteen eighty five. Good stuff.
Speaker 1: So anyway, um, I appreciate you guys mentioned it. And no,
Speaker 1: I don't think Layton Vanderish as the rumor. I think
Speaker 1: Layton Vanderish would have a zone on this one though.
Speaker 1: I have a better player than you. Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get in some fun things today with the
Speaker 1: Draft show. I do want to, uh, Dave, I want
Speaker 1: you to kind of run through a in the second
Speaker 1: half of the show. Yeah, we've got to tell me more,
Speaker 1: not tell me where it's give me a Twitter on
Speaker 1: the twenty coming up at twenty. Want to get to
Speaker 1: all your questions. We only if we can take some
Speaker 1: calls today too. I'd like that eight eight eight eight
Speaker 1: five five two two ninety seven is the number we
Speaker 1: can do that. I love the interaction we have. Kent
Speaker 1: Gerson is executive producing, and you're gonna You're gonna love
Speaker 1: our listeners are gonna love this would you rather? Segments
Speaker 1: you put together? Because I'm going down in this list.
Speaker 1: We're basically gonna break down. I would say half of
Speaker 1: the hot names that people are yeah, this is, this is, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, would you rather? Is? We're gonna just gonna
Speaker 1: Dame brug and I are gonna go back and forth
Speaker 1: and I haven't heard these names yet. Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: This will be fun because these guys, a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys are really close within the position and would
Speaker 1: you rather? And we're gonna get We're gonna try and
Speaker 1: give some quick reasons why one or the other, you know,
Speaker 1: and we'll see if we can do that. But you
Speaker 1: know what, I want to get to guys. The opening
Speaker 1: this show, though, Scouts are you know, I'm starting out
Speaker 1: have breakfasts. The Scouts are here at the star are
Speaker 1: they're getting ready for the combine and all that. Though,
Speaker 1: you know, Dane and Dave when they dig in, when
Speaker 1: they really dig in, now, you know they've got their areas,
Speaker 1: they've got their areas that their response before, and they'll
Speaker 1: have their cross checks and things like that. Though what
Speaker 1: are they what are they going to experience? What are
Speaker 1: they What's something that's going to be surprising to them
Speaker 1: about this draft? You know, again, they might be in
Speaker 1: their region of the country in the southeast, but what
Speaker 1: are they going to be surprised about this draft? And
Speaker 1: maybe that question is there is there some type of
Speaker 1: is there a myth to this draft? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, is there something that you know, we're already
Speaker 1: kind of thinking that, oh, people have kind of got
Speaker 1: it going this way, but you know, but that's that's
Speaker 1: a myth. There's something else. But what are these scouts
Speaker 1: as they get in and they start digging, Because Dane,
Speaker 1: you've you've really you've dug in, You're you've got this
Speaker 1: scene pretty covered sure well, and scouts around the country.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to catch up to you, and I want
Speaker 1: to know, is is there something that we're you're hearing now?
Speaker 1: But it's really a myth about this draft. Well, I
Speaker 1: think first and foremost, or the players in this draft.
Speaker 1: First and foremost, you're trying to catch up to the underclassmen, right,
Speaker 1: because you know you did the bulk of your work
Speaker 1: was done on the seniors throughout the throughout the year,
Speaker 1: and then the juniors you knew who were coming out, right,
Speaker 1: But there's always surprisers, there's always I mean, this year
Speaker 1: we had one hundred and thirty five juniors come out underclassmen.
Speaker 1: First time ever we've come close to that number. Um,
Speaker 1: I think twelve more than last year or something like that.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's, uh, it's a case where you're
Speaker 1: playing a little bit of catch up. Even when you
Speaker 1: you know you had an area and you know the
Speaker 1: player from the season, you're just playing a little bit
Speaker 1: of catch up to make sure you know everything about
Speaker 1: the guy background so there's no surprises at the combine.
Speaker 1: So when you do go to the combine, you know
Speaker 1: the right questions to ask during the interviews, you have
Speaker 1: a full understanding who the player is, and you're not
Speaker 1: surprised by anything. In terms of a myth, you know,
Speaker 1: I think when we when you stack the positions, because
Speaker 1: that's what I mean. All teams do it differently in
Speaker 1: terms of draft board and when they actually do it.
Speaker 1: A lot of teams will stack their draft board before
Speaker 1: the combine, right, Yeah, we used to do that green Bay.
Speaker 1: We used to do We used to do the skill
Speaker 1: guys we did after. So we did the skill positions
Speaker 1: after the combine because then we knew the forty times.
Speaker 1: But then we would do offense and defensive linemen before
Speaker 1: we actually went to the combines. So we would start
Speaker 1: to set our board before we went to the combine. Again.
Speaker 1: This is this is nineteen ninety two through nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm sure that John Dorsey and those
Speaker 1: guys who came from the Green Bay system probably do
Speaker 1: a lot of the same thing. But what are some
Speaker 1: of the things they're strugg they're gonna struggle with. What
Speaker 1: are some of those things? Is there's something, as you know,
Speaker 1: are are there positions that these guys are to come
Speaker 1: in and feel like they can draft at all day?
Speaker 1: Well and the other ones you're gonna say, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say it's a myth, but I
Speaker 1: wonder if maybe it's overblown because we've even we've talked
Speaker 1: about it here and it's a logical talking point just
Speaker 1: when you look at the top of the board that ever,
Speaker 1: you know, this is a defense heavy draft. There's no
Speaker 1: you know, the common line of thing. He's like, well,
Speaker 1: there's no offensive players in this draft, nobody worth getting
Speaker 1: excited about. But like that's never true, you know, Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, especially like you go down one through two
Speaker 1: fifty six, like they're gonna be players. We're putting together
Speaker 1: a very enticing looking list of wide receivers. Talk plenty
Speaker 1: about some of these running backs. Y'all keep telling me
Speaker 1: this is a very deep tight end class. So clearly
Speaker 1: both of those things can't be true. And maybe, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe eight of the first ten picks are going to
Speaker 1: be defense. Maybe you won't see a wide receiver off
Speaker 1: the board until the twenties or the thirties or the forties.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that those there aren't talented players
Speaker 1: to be found. Or we could see a surprise and
Speaker 1: see a wide receiver go top ten like we did
Speaker 1: two years ago when Corey Davis, Mike Williams, John Ross
Speaker 1: All went to top ten. Was a surprise. Yeah, no
Speaker 1: one expected three wide receivers are go in the top ten.
Speaker 1: You think that you think that might happen this, I
Speaker 1: mean three, No, way right, I can't find the first
Speaker 1: round wide receiver right now. The thing is is DK
Speaker 1: Metcalf and Marquis guys. Yeah, we're talking about high upside guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're a team that is missing an explosive element
Speaker 1: on offense and you know Marquis Brown could potentially fill that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf has huge upside as a number one receiver
Speaker 1: in this league. You just have to you know, get
Speaker 1: him there, you know, in terms of developing him as
Speaker 1: a runner, as a finisher, keeping him in the football field.
Speaker 1: So there are I can make a strong case why
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be in the top ten. But when you
Speaker 1: break down just the physical freak that he is, the
Speaker 1: high upside that he offers, you know, if he can
Speaker 1: be a true number one in this league, then you
Speaker 1: know it's gonna be enticing. I think an interesting question
Speaker 1: will be, and this is a question for both of you,
Speaker 1: who will be the first running back, wide receiver, tight end,
Speaker 1: just of those three positions, who will be the first
Speaker 1: drafted I'm gonna well, I'm not I saw you talking
Speaker 1: about this on Twitter this morning, so I know your answer,
Speaker 1: are you well, yes, yeah, I'm not sure it's my
Speaker 1: for sure, guests, but I think there's a strong chance.
Speaker 1: Oh it's good tight end. He thinks the old hawkeyets. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely, yeah. I mean, no, ILL tell
Speaker 1: you what though that context? Right? Oh no, I love
Speaker 1: the Alabama running back. Let's put that in context. When
Speaker 1: was the last time and I have no idea when
Speaker 1: was the last time that happened? When was the last time?
Speaker 1: The first Vernon Davis probably? Yeah? What ten? He went
Speaker 1: like fifth oh five to San Francisco. Yeah, gosh, yeah,
Speaker 1: went like nine? He wasn't was he nine? Was he
Speaker 1: top ten? But even Eric Ebron went behind Sammy Watkins
Speaker 1: and Evans? Yeah yeah, yeah, oh no, you'd have to
Speaker 1: do some research. I think Vernon Davis might be it. Jeez.
Speaker 1: Any there's no chance that Jacobs gets taken before that, right,
Speaker 1: the Alabama running back? Absolutely it could. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: Harmon at wide receiver, would he be? What's the ceiling
Speaker 1: on metcalf? You think? So? I don't like that. Look
Speaker 1: you just gave me about Harman well in the receiver.
Speaker 1: North Carolina state right in the talking about him being
Speaker 1: in the first of those three positions drafted. That would
Speaker 1: surprise me. Yeah. I like Harmon, but that would surprise
Speaker 1: me if he's the first um. Who is the first
Speaker 1: wide receiver on your board? I'm going with Metcalf. Okay,
Speaker 1: just because of the high upside. Now, I wouldn't take
Speaker 1: him top ten, but late first round. Yeah, that's where
Speaker 1: him and Marky's Brown. I haven't seen a tight end
Speaker 1: is going to go before the late first round. Probably
Speaker 1: tight ends, tight en keep going the top ten. Detroit
Speaker 1: at eight, Buffalo, Detroit again, and oh my god. And
Speaker 1: then they're hey, they're they were right about the guy
Speaker 1: who played well at Indianapolis this year. Buffalo at nine.
Speaker 1: Help out your young quarterback, Green Bay. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you this or the tight ends in this draft? Okay,
Speaker 1: here comes the myth. Here is this? The myth? Are
Speaker 1: the tight ends and the are the wide receivers better
Speaker 1: than the tight ends in this draft? That's a that
Speaker 1: would be a myth, wouldn't it. Well, I think that
Speaker 1: kind of goes I don't want to say it's a myth,
Speaker 1: but that kind of goes to my point. When I
Speaker 1: look at the Cowboy. I said it the wrong way
Speaker 1: there Boys, something we did. When I look at the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: like I I trust that a receiver you who are
Speaker 1: going to find at fifty eight is more likely to
Speaker 1: contribute early than a tight end that you find at
Speaker 1: fifty eight. That's just that's just NFL trends more so
Speaker 1: than this specific class. So, you know, Hockinson and Fan
Speaker 1: are like argue. I mean, if you could get those guys,
Speaker 1: that would be great. And I'm far more intrigued by
Speaker 1: those guys than Marquise Brown. But that's from the Cowboys perspective.
Speaker 1: That's about about two about two of the smallest explosive
Speaker 1: players on the same club at Oklahoma with that quarterback,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, and this wide receiver well in the Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray discussion, that's and that running back they have. If
Speaker 1: you didn't have a medical issue, he'd be considered pretty
Speaker 1: highly too. I think, yeah, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: can make it in the first but yeah, he'd be
Speaker 1: probably fifty type of guy. Yeah. Yeah. When I finished
Speaker 1: his report, watching his tape, you just saw a lot
Speaker 1: of James Connor, which that big body, but the ability
Speaker 1: to you know, have the patience to read his blocks,
Speaker 1: take strong cuts. Um, yeah, I think you see a
Speaker 1: lot of that. Okay, medicals would be big for him.
Speaker 1: What position you think then it's going to be the
Speaker 1: biggest reach. It's always quarterback. It's always gonna be a quarterback.
Speaker 1: Well maybe not all take take this year, take take okay,
Speaker 1: this year. It is absolutely okay. I don't think there's
Speaker 1: a even even Dwayne Haskins, who is the top quarterback
Speaker 1: for me, and I think the favorite too. So any
Speaker 1: quarterbacks is taking the first round other than Haskins to
Speaker 1: you is probably our reach in my opinion. Yes, wow,
Speaker 1: that that that's just that's terrifle. I mean Kyler Murray's
Speaker 1: the wild card just because like I like him better
Speaker 1: than I like Lamar Jackson last year and I have
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. I think Raid is my thirty two best player.
Speaker 1: So I don't think I'll have a first roun on
Speaker 1: great on Kyler, but I like them better than the
Speaker 1: more Jackson as a prospect, and I'll probably have him
Speaker 1: ready hire. Could he rise on your board, like like
Speaker 1: the kid at Kansas City did Mahomes? You kind of
Speaker 1: started off Mahomes at fifty Yeah, and then you have
Speaker 1: to talked about this before. It's just it's hard with
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks because it's one thing to study them on
Speaker 1: tape and see what they can do, but it's such
Speaker 1: a mental position, right and without and especially the guys
Speaker 1: from the Big twelve. Yeah, and if you can't don't
Speaker 1: have a chance to sit down with them, break down
Speaker 1: plays and coverages on a whiteboard with them, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: hard to really understand where they are mensely in their development,
Speaker 1: how much they know, how much they don't know, uh,
Speaker 1: because that's such a big part of the quarterback evaluation.
Speaker 1: So it's we're just on the outside looking in. We're
Speaker 1: at a disadvantage with these quarterbacks, and especially with a
Speaker 1: guy like Kyler Murray. I never get that right. It's
Speaker 1: just it's it's tough. It's it's you watch the tape.
Speaker 1: That's what you can go on. Give me a position, though, Guys,
Speaker 1: you feel like you could draft that all day. I mean,
Speaker 1: we mentioned tighten, but it didn't get there. Verds. I
Speaker 1: love the edge rushers in the first two rounds. Can
Speaker 1: I just cheat and say defensive line? I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: although I will say I don't think the defensive tackle
Speaker 1: class is as steep as it was last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: or as as much as we talked, we talked about
Speaker 1: being like or not we but people talked about the
Speaker 1: defensive tackle class being, you know, the clearly the best
Speaker 1: position group in this draft. I don't think it's the
Speaker 1: top three and if you include see now that I
Speaker 1: was that that is a widely perceived thing in this
Speaker 1: draft classes. Why did I feel like that I could
Speaker 1: get a fourth round defensive tackle. Oh, you probably can,
Speaker 1: but I mean a guy that could help you. Sure, No,
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. I mean, you get a Daylon
Speaker 1: Mac from Texas A and M sure. Yeah. But in
Speaker 1: terms of this defensive tackle class being historic, would you
Speaker 1: call it an accurate It seems top heavy to me?
Speaker 1: Like there's definitely five or six really intriguing prospects in
Speaker 1: the maybe the first two rounds. Yeah, after that, and
Speaker 1: I honestly, I think the edge rushers are more top
Speaker 1: p well, I think the edg rushers are more top
Speaker 1: heavy plus deeper because with edge rushers, you know, I
Speaker 1: feel Rosa Allan sweat Farrell feel great about Bosta. Best
Speaker 1: player in this draft easily. Yeah, And that's gonna make
Speaker 1: that mistakes after that. Josh Allen from Kentucky who I
Speaker 1: have some issues with some of the stuff. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: like him. I'm not sure he's the clear cut number
Speaker 1: two pick some people think, but I like him. Cleveland Farrell,
Speaker 1: did Chi Polite, who I like better than you. Yeah, Polite.
Speaker 1: People reach out to me about Polite because they are like,
Speaker 1: why why do you not like Polite? And I trust me,
Speaker 1: if whatever your gut feeling is on Polite is probably
Speaker 1: right as opposed to get no, And I mean I
Speaker 1: got wrong with you know, I just I see a
Speaker 1: two hundred forty nine pound guy. That's what I mean.
Speaker 1: I kind of you're not wrong. And but but I
Speaker 1: like Sweat who's two fifty two. So what kind of
Speaker 1: logic is that? What's a better run the lodder? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so what's a better run defender? Did Chi Polite, who
Speaker 1: by the way, it was two hundred and seventy pounds
Speaker 1: when he got there. Yeah, now a boy, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he was a subpackage, you guy, he wasn't asked to
Speaker 1: be a contribute as a run defender on a consistent basis.
Speaker 1: But you know, these guys, there's a lot of potential there,
Speaker 1: whereas with defensive tackle. You know, QUINNI Williams the best
Speaker 1: defensive tackle in his draft. Jeffrey Simmons shortly after that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you've got Christian Wilkoms and Oliver m So
Speaker 1: I think that's fair to call it top heavy because
Speaker 1: then it falls off. I think a little bit um,
Speaker 1: you know, once you get past that, and you think
Speaker 1: you're in a little trouble if you have to get
Speaker 1: a linebacker in this draft. I mean, I haven't done
Speaker 1: them all, haven't studied them all, but you think you're
Speaker 1: in a little trouble. Not a great group for linebackers.
Speaker 1: But okay, I'll put it this way. Linebackers are safeties.
Speaker 1: Which one which the first few linebackers drafted last year?
Speaker 1: How many we saw Edmunds, um, Georgia Evans, Edmunds, sorry
Speaker 1: not Evans, vander esh Rashaun Evans, Oh yeah, I got,
Speaker 1: I got. I'm not crazy, Yeah, I got the draft
Speaker 1: right here. So so those four linebackers right there, would
Speaker 1: you take any of these linebackers ahead of those four?
Speaker 1: Was that Roquan Smith was at eight just I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna go through it again, and then Tremaine Edmunds sixteen sixteen,
Speaker 1: good job? Yeah, And then you had Vanderesh at nineteen,
Speaker 1: it's Evans at twenty two. Tennessee. It's so hard not
Speaker 1: to think about their production, rookie production when you're answering
Speaker 1: it is because like, right right, you take any one
Speaker 1: of these guys in the last draft over these guys
Speaker 1: right now, That's what I'm asking. Yeah, yes, but of yeah,
Speaker 1: of Devin White. I don't know. I'm like Jack Wilson,
Speaker 1: those guys. I might take Devin White over Evans, but
Speaker 1: the top three it's tough. Yeah, Edmonds, you would take
Speaker 1: him out or you would take him out. If I
Speaker 1: hadn't seen all these guys play as rookies, I might
Speaker 1: have different opinions, like, yeah, I'd take Devin White over
Speaker 1: a couple of those guys. I think back to like
Speaker 1: how not sold. A lot of people were on Layton
Speaker 1: vander Esh at the time, and then you got Devin White,
Speaker 1: who just annihilated everything in the SEC for like three years.
Speaker 1: I think it sounds stupid. You watch the guy put
Speaker 1: together a Rookie of the Year type season, but it
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been a crazy conversation a year ago, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean we're so high on Roquan Smith.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't, I don't, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anybody at linebacker I'm gonna talk
Speaker 1: about like him. No, no, no. But also selfishly, you know,
Speaker 1: my job is to provide the Cowboys perspective, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't care. We don't have to worry about it.
Speaker 1: That's that's somebody else's problem. And you have to drive
Speaker 1: linebacker class. I mean, like Devin White, I think it's
Speaker 1: the first round linebacker. I love Devin Bush, Love Devin Bush. Yeah,
Speaker 1: short though, Yeah, that's the thing. It's the length is
Speaker 1: what worries me. Yeah. Mack Wilson from Alabama, I think
Speaker 1: has upside. You know, I think he could be a
Speaker 1: three down player in the NFL. But really run you
Speaker 1: really worry about the consistency. Um My boy from Hawaii
Speaker 1: to Vye could buy you need to watch sleep folks,
Speaker 1: don't Yeah, don't sleep on the If you find Hawaii tape,
Speaker 1: check it out. Um. Jermaine Pratt from NC State to
Speaker 1: von Koni from these I need to see these guys
Speaker 1: from Stanford. I saw him at the Senior Bowl. I
Speaker 1: think there was a more. I mean I think Pratt's
Speaker 1: probably maybe might get in the second round. But Coney
Speaker 1: um Okareki he's a third round guy. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it does drop off pretty quickly. And the top
Speaker 1: guys aren't guys that you really get excited about like
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah I was. I was more excited about
Speaker 1: the group last year. I think I took time during
Speaker 1: this segment to look at Dane's two round mock that
Speaker 1: he just put up on the Athletic a little while ago.
Speaker 1: Um So, like I said, defense heavy at the top
Speaker 1: of this thing, right, He's got eighteen defenders going in
Speaker 1: the first round, and four of his offensive picks or quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: So and you know quarterbacks are always their own category,
Speaker 1: so I think another five are offensive linement. Yes, well
Speaker 1: you've only I think Markus Brown. I think and and
Speaker 1: Hockinson are the only skill players you have. Oh and
Speaker 1: Jacobs and Fat made it at the end of four. Yeah. Four,
Speaker 1: not many. It's not a lot. So it's just gonna
Speaker 1: be so the first night of draft, we're gonna be
Speaker 1: all talking in the draft twenty twenty two of the
Speaker 1: thirty seventy seven days away. By the way, on the draft,
Speaker 1: there you go, they're gonna give me anxiety. Yeah, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two of the thirty two defenders and quarterbacks. That's crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to go look at the breakdown for other years.
Speaker 1: But that's but that's my point though, is Okay, that's
Speaker 1: the first round, but there there's value to be had.
Speaker 1: It's like I said, I don't want to call it
Speaker 1: a myth, but it is a talking point that's going
Speaker 1: to be beaten into the ground. All right, we're going
Speaker 1: to take our first break of the day. We would
Speaker 1: come back, We'll hit some Twitter on the twenty you
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Speaker 1: Brian broad Us, Dame Brugler, David Helmet, K. Garrison, Executive Producing,
Speaker 1: Excited to have everybody with us once again. I'm really
Speaker 1: happy about the following that we have on periscope as well.
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Speaker 1: this because it's one of my favorite segments that we
Speaker 1: do every week. It is. I'll turn it over to
Speaker 1: David Helmet, go ahead, David got some good ones today, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have. Have you been talking about this on Twitter?
Speaker 1: We've got a lot of people in the mentions talking
Speaker 1: about trading into a round one and it just sounds
Speaker 1: like a very broadest. That's something I love to do. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: It's a very brought us uh idea. I had somebody
Speaker 1: asked me what it would take to trade to Marcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence what what could you do to get you know,
Speaker 1: could you trade to Marcus Lawrence to get back in
Speaker 1: the first round? Probably? Serious? Why would you do that? Though? Well,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying no, I mean there's there's you know,
Speaker 1: people you're gonna draft. That's yeah, that's what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Rudin get out of here. No, No, we were talking
Speaker 1: about those defensive ends and stuff like that. But you know,
Speaker 1: you know what, I let me ask you this, if
Speaker 1: you had if you had the similar situation to what
Speaker 1: you have now with Layton Vanderesh and also with h
Speaker 1: with also with Jalen Smith and You're and you're it's
Speaker 1: like with Sean Lee, if you if you had that
Speaker 1: kind of situation where you had an established player but
Speaker 1: you had to two guys that you felt really really
Speaker 1: good about. See, people don't feel good about Taco and
Speaker 1: they don't and they really don't trust and they really
Speaker 1: don't trust Randy Gregory right now. But if they did
Speaker 1: if either one of those, if that doesn't exist, though
Speaker 1: there there's no if because that's not the case. No,
Speaker 1: but if okay, if that, but they do have it
Speaker 1: at linebacker, they're gonna make a move at linebacker I'm
Speaker 1: aut defensive end though. I'm just telling you, though, if
Speaker 1: you felt good about these that they drafted guys too,
Speaker 1: but eventually try and take over, didn't they. Why are
Speaker 1: you trying to get me to fight you right now? Non? No,
Speaker 1: literally no. Marcus Lawrence is the centerpiece of the line
Speaker 1: and it is a very What could you get for
Speaker 1: him right now? Probably a decent amount. Could you get
Speaker 1: the same Hall you got from Chicago day? Um? Probably not? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm probably not quite as much. Could you get one
Speaker 1: in the three out of it? I'd be shocked if
Speaker 1: he couldn't. Ye, I would like to think you could. Okay,
Speaker 1: shocked if okay, one on three? Okay, that's how you
Speaker 1: get back in this draft? Gross? Which all right, well here,
Speaker 1: all right, let's actually take No. I'm just saying, if
Speaker 1: that's you know you want that, you look, you look
Speaker 1: at options, you franchise him, and then you trade. It
Speaker 1: shouldn't be I don't send good players away from your team.
Speaker 1: We worked okay for the Raiders, right it was a good,
Speaker 1: awesome idea, and then John Gruden got up there after
Speaker 1: every game we just can't get to the quarterback. Let's
Speaker 1: see who they pick Okay, I'm not trying to defend Gruden.
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you you guys see, we shouldn't be
Speaker 1: close minded about options. We're not closed minded about getting
Speaker 1: into the ring closed mind. It's fine, we'll talk about it. Okay,
Speaker 1: we talked about it. Boom, No, it's no longer an option.
Speaker 1: Fair enough. What's your question? This is a good one
Speaker 1: from Facy. This is the type of advanced thinking I like.
Speaker 1: I liked your question. I favored it. I think Round
Speaker 1: two has traditionally been around that the front office is
Speaker 1: willing to take a risk on players, whether medical or
Speaker 1: character reasons. With no first round pick this year, that
Speaker 1: changes things. So what's more likely taking a risk with
Speaker 1: that pick or trading up? Because I do agree that
Speaker 1: the fact that this is your first pick of the
Speaker 1: draft kind of takes away some of your what it's
Speaker 1: flexibility right with who you want to pick there. It
Speaker 1: makes you have second thoughts about packaging two and a
Speaker 1: three to go up and get somebody, because if you
Speaker 1: pack you your two and three, you're only getting into
Speaker 1: like the now. You got a compensatory fourth now too,
Speaker 1: but you're only getting into like the forties. It's not
Speaker 1: like we're talking about trading a second or third and
Speaker 1: getting into the late first round. If you trade your
Speaker 1: second in your third, you're only getting up, okay a
Speaker 1: little bit, if you're gonna go up to get to
Speaker 1: the forties. And and I had this question asked me
Speaker 1: last night about Adderly, the safety. I don't think they
Speaker 1: would trade up for a safety. But we last year
Speaker 1: we were talking about Sutton and how we were gonna
Speaker 1: get to Indianapolis at forty and draft a wide receiver. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were talking about that, Cortland Sutton, Yeah, from SMU.
Speaker 1: But okay, who who do you have in mind? Who
Speaker 1: would you trade up? What would you trade up for
Speaker 1: in this draft? Which is another's that we actually Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that they're gonna take. I don't think they're
Speaker 1: gonna take a medical risk player. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: think they're gonna take that. And I don't think they're
Speaker 1: gonna take a characterist guy at fifty eight. Answer to
Speaker 1: answer her question, not having the first round pick, you
Speaker 1: don't have that leniency this year, like this guy needs
Speaker 1: to contribute right right away. Yeah, and so I think
Speaker 1: I don't think they would be as willing to do that. Um,
Speaker 1: so you don't think they go for more of an
Speaker 1: upside player. You think they need someone that's going to
Speaker 1: contribute your one, absolutely, I mean yeah, I know, okay.
Speaker 1: They everybody keeps saying your first round picks Amari Cooper,
Speaker 1: that's fine, but like what do we always say, like
Speaker 1: your first, second, and third round pick should be able
Speaker 1: to play a role. Yeah, even that's different than all
Speaker 1: I said was contribute. I didn't say he had to
Speaker 1: be a pro bowler. No, no, no, But I think
Speaker 1: it's okay. Like, for instance, in my two round mark
Speaker 1: I gave Renell Wren. Yeah he's raw. Yeah, but he's
Speaker 1: a guy that you project him forward and you think
Speaker 1: he's going to be a contributor, but he might not
Speaker 1: start for you as a rookie. Will he play? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he will. I just need him to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's okay. That's especially with Rod Marinelli. Like a first
Speaker 1: round pick isn't gonna just play all the snaps on
Speaker 1: the defensive line, right, So that doesn't bother me, all right,
Speaker 1: take they wouldn't take a first round tackle anyway, We've
Speaker 1: learned that or lesson about that, haven't, which I'm curious
Speaker 1: about that is, like, since this is their first pick
Speaker 1: in the draft. You know, do they apply that us
Speaker 1: go ahead and didn't take it? Yeah? No, do they
Speaker 1: know they're like, well, we can't use our first pick
Speaker 1: on a d tackle, especially considering you know, Christi Shard.
Speaker 1: How much say does he have in terms of that
Speaker 1: great segue, Dave. I love it because Jason says, of
Speaker 1: the popular needs to address at fifty eight D tackle
Speaker 1: safety receivers, tight end, who can the Cowboys most afford
Speaker 1: to wait on? Meaning he's saying, you know, he thinks
Speaker 1: that wide receiver in tight end you can get value
Speaker 1: on day three. Yeah, YadA, YadA. I think, so what
Speaker 1: do y'all think? Wide receivers? Probably any it's easier to
Speaker 1: find wide receivers on day three than it is any
Speaker 1: other position, especially we're talking about contributing early um and
Speaker 1: this is a deep wide receiver class. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: think that would probably be the easy answer. Like a
Speaker 1: lot of these tight ends you like, but we're talking
Speaker 1: about you know, Dalton Schultz situation. You know, guys, fourth round,
Speaker 1: I mean we had better grand I mean he was
Speaker 1: taken in the fifth right, fourth round, that's right, because yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, to me, the kid Sternburger makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense here Texas, Texas A and M. But you
Speaker 1: have to take him at fifty eight. I think I
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna be there, and you're with your
Speaker 1: late third, let alone the fourth. I didn't get to
Speaker 1: take him at fifty eight. You see him as a
Speaker 1: second round player, you see him as a late too
Speaker 1: early three. Yes, late too early three. Okay, I think
Speaker 1: I see him at the top seventy five pick. Okay,
Speaker 1: I gotta love with that, all right. So let me
Speaker 1: ask you this, would you rather move up in the
Speaker 1: third round or move up in the second round? You know,
Speaker 1: it depends who's there. If I'm moving up, the only
Speaker 1: way I'm moving up is this for a guy that
Speaker 1: I have a high grade on that's fall Like if IRV.
Speaker 1: Smith from Alabama somehow he falls to pick forty two,
Speaker 1: I will go I will trade my second, my third
Speaker 1: to go up and get IRF. Smith. I would feel
Speaker 1: okay doing that. Yeah. So what you sort of just
Speaker 1: said right there is they kind of need to pull
Speaker 1: the trigger on a defensive tackle if they can sooner
Speaker 1: rather than later. Yeah, I mean I think so, um,
Speaker 1: because I think I thinks among those positions. I think
Speaker 1: wide receiver would be the easier one to fall or
Speaker 1: it's kind of stretch. I think wide receivers will stretch,
Speaker 1: there's no question, especially if if what they're looking for
Speaker 1: is a slot slot receiver. I mean, not to take
Speaker 1: anything away from those guys, it is the easiest position
Speaker 1: of the wide receivers. Talking about an X, Y or Z.
Speaker 1: It is easier to find that why that slot receiver
Speaker 1: later in the draft compared to an X or a
Speaker 1: Z or some of the other positions. Yeah, you gotta
Speaker 1: Dane Brugler special for you? What not? Really, he didn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't play at Division three or anything. He played
Speaker 1: in the SEC. But Sam Sam is one of about
Speaker 1: six people that asked me about Georgia tight end Isaac Naa.
Speaker 1: Isaac not a not a bad player. Ah. David Hellman
Speaker 1: appreciate it, I really do. Kind of like the rest
Speaker 1: of George's offense, the receivers Ridley and Icole, Hardman and
Speaker 1: Holliman underused, underutilized. Um. But he's he was the top
Speaker 1: tight end coming out three years ago as a recruit.
Speaker 1: And you see why. A really good sized kid. He
Speaker 1: can run UM. He's reliable at the catch point. I
Speaker 1: think he had the best catch rate of any tight
Speaker 1: end in this group. Um, I think thirty five targets,
Speaker 1: thirty receptions something like that. So not a lot of usage.
Speaker 1: You know, the sample size isn't there, but you think
Speaker 1: there's more. You can get more out of him, similar
Speaker 1: to the way you think there's more and Riley Ridley. Uh,
Speaker 1: just sample size isn't great. So I to me, when
Speaker 1: you look at these tight ends, him Smith, IERF Smith
Speaker 1: easy to top three tight ends, you're not going to
Speaker 1: change for you. No, it's that's the top tier Hawkinson fan.
Speaker 1: And you even said this about this tight ends that
Speaker 1: even if even if fan has a better workout, yeah
Speaker 1: than as a kid. No, you're not going to change that.
Speaker 1: Trust part part of it. Oh he's gonna trust a tape.
Speaker 1: Part of the reason you like fans because he is
Speaker 1: a great athlete. Yeah. So if he doesn't perform well,
Speaker 1: then that's a fred flag. But if he does perform well, okay,
Speaker 1: that's what you expected. The same thing with DK Metcalf.
Speaker 1: When DK Metcalf at six four and two hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty pounds goes out and runs a you know, four
Speaker 1: to four four, it shouldn't skyrocket upboards because that's what
Speaker 1: you're up. He'll be talked about. That'll be the buzz,
Speaker 1: although I'm he probably's not gonna work out of the combine.
Speaker 1: We'll see. He was medically clear, but I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's ready. Yeah. Well, I'll get more inful one
Speaker 1: that later. Um, But okay, the top three tight ends
Speaker 1: Hawkinson Fan Smith, to me, those are the top three
Speaker 1: tight ends. And then you have a group of Sternberger, Nada, Cayden, Smith,
Speaker 1: Docks and Knox Dawson Knox. Those guys are in that
Speaker 1: second to fourth round range where you know you maybe
Speaker 1: don't have to trade up for a tight end. No, no,
Speaker 1: maybe my idea of going up and getting one of
Speaker 1: those guys, or you talked about IRV Smith, I would
Speaker 1: trade up for IRF Smith is Again I think he's
Speaker 1: well how close he did? I need to watch the
Speaker 1: Georgia Kid obviously, but how close is the Georgia kid too?
Speaker 1: Is he? Him? And Sternburger. I've got a for Sternburger's
Speaker 1: four among the tight ends and not as five for me.
Speaker 1: There you go, So I think I've got a told
Speaker 1: me I don't have to trade up for a tight end. Well,
Speaker 1: you don't have to. But the thing, the thing that
Speaker 1: you always have to keep in mind is like that
Speaker 1: they could feel completely differently, like they could be like, well,
Speaker 1: if sternburgers there, that would be great. We're not a
Speaker 1: sounds really good. They're not taken not Yeah, but for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, they won't like him. I think another thing,
Speaker 1: whatever reason they won't like it. But that's just the
Speaker 1: way this works. I'm not saying that specifically. Another thing
Speaker 1: for fans to keep in mind though, is tight end
Speaker 1: traditionally is one of the positions where we don't see
Speaker 1: a lot of rookie success and boom and thank you
Speaker 1: Dane and a big reasactly. A big reason for that
Speaker 1: is because, you know, for the similar reasons we don't
Speaker 1: see a lot of rookie receivers have instant success is
Speaker 1: because of chemistry. Rot running is tougher cover. The coverage
Speaker 1: j C in the NFL is night and day. The
Speaker 1: coverage it's on. I'm waiting for that guy at Tampa
Speaker 1: to show upward. Yeah, and with tight ends, not only
Speaker 1: you factor in the route running and being a proficient receiver,
Speaker 1: but the blocking Titans have to I was wrong about
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz. I was way too optimistic by him coming
Speaker 1: in here and starting, oh yeah, that was stupid on
Speaker 1: my part. And you're right, you're you're not wrong about that.
Speaker 1: Did you see I saw this tweet last night in
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. Twenty thirteen saw Tyler Eifert, zach Ertz, Vance McDonald,
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey, and Jordan Reid all get drafted. Is that good?
Speaker 1: Cowboys drafted Gavin Escobar and just I'm scarred, I'm scarred
Speaker 1: at this by this position. Like Blake Jarwin came on strong,
Speaker 1: Schultz is gonna get better as he gets stronger and works,
Speaker 1: Like I just, I'm not trying to since you're a
Speaker 1: cowboy expert on this panel. You're a cowboy expert. You
Speaker 1: know some things. No, but I'm just saying, since you're
Speaker 1: the expert, that's why we have you here, among other things.
Speaker 1: Do you feel better about the coaching situation now that
Speaker 1: maybe that this guy, that maybe that Doug Nussmer has
Speaker 1: a way of getting guys ready and maybe the evaluation
Speaker 1: of the position will be a little bit better and
Speaker 1: maybe that you know, we saw improvement from those guys, well,
Speaker 1: and well that's does that give you a little hope
Speaker 1: that's not going to make the mistakes that they made
Speaker 1: in the past. That's what gives me hope that I
Speaker 1: don't need to press the panic button at tight end honestly,
Speaker 1: because I'm not trying to pretend like their pro bowlers.
Speaker 1: But we saw they approved all. Both of those guys
Speaker 1: make some pretty big strides and they certainly weren't liabilities.
Speaker 1: As I mean, Jarwin especially was a big contributor toward
Speaker 1: the playoff push. And it's got It's got nothing to
Speaker 1: do with their ability to evaluate tight ends or nuss
Speaker 1: Myer's ability to coach them. It's just a hard position
Speaker 1: to acclimate to, especially when half the offenses in college
Speaker 1: are like the tight end position is completely different, like
Speaker 1: that you might as well be playing a different sport.
Speaker 1: Do you agree with he just said about the evaluation
Speaker 1: the coaching of the position in terms us tight end specifically,
Speaker 1: Just yeah, yeah, I mean, well we look at I
Speaker 1: think that has something to do with it. I think
Speaker 1: you've got to evaluate these guys the right way, David,
Speaker 1: what you talk about before you pick them. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: had the same evaluation. Is that you love Schultz, I know,
Speaker 1: but it's not like they made a mistake picking the guy. No,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying though, I'm just trying to figure
Speaker 1: out I think I think I'm more confident about the
Speaker 1: group net are the way they're evaluating them now than
Speaker 1: I was four or five years ago. Oh, if you
Speaker 1: want to go back that, well, yeah, everything they do
Speaker 1: now it seems proven track record a little being better.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I think the Cowboys are drafting. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're one of the top five organizations in the league
Speaker 1: in terms of hitting in the draft overleap five or
Speaker 1: six years. Yeah, I mean, any history says that's that's
Speaker 1: pretty accurate because I mean they've had some mixed results
Speaker 1: on Day two, but Day one, except for really just Taco,
Speaker 1: the last few years has been lights out. It's been
Speaker 1: the foundation of why this team is a playoffs. Their
Speaker 1: Day two results look a hell of a lot better
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen than they have recently. Jalen Randy Gregory's
Speaker 1: playing pretty well. So who's you, yeah, Geeto, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: no question, But I think I mean, really, besides Gavin Escobar,
Speaker 1: I don't know if they've really missed on the tight
Speaker 1: end position. Well, they've gotten rid of a good one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Bennette Martellis that was more about Garrett's brother
Speaker 1: coaching him, messing him up. No, and blame him. I
Speaker 1: think it would be lunacy. It would be lunacy to
Speaker 1: assume that, you know, they can't find a good tight
Speaker 1: end this year because of Gavin Escobar or Martellis Bennett
Speaker 1: or Anthony Fasano or any of that stuff, like that's
Speaker 1: ancient history. If they don't draft a tight end second
Speaker 1: or third round, is there a point in drafting a
Speaker 1: tight end? And on Day three exactly because we gotta
Speaker 1: be so. We gotta be so. Like on day through
Speaker 1: the draft, when when we start getting close to their
Speaker 1: pick and we're start talking about best players on the board,
Speaker 1: are you guys gonna keep pushing the tight end? They
Speaker 1: don't take one? Not pushing a tight end. Who once
Speaker 1: you get to the fourth, fifth round, sixth round, seventh round,
Speaker 1: who are you looking at? That is an upgrade over
Speaker 1: who you have on the roster already. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: there is. If I was in charge of this thing,
Speaker 1: I would sign a moderately priced free agent. It could
Speaker 1: be Jeff Swame, it could be somebody else's tight end,
Speaker 1: and I would worry about tight end next year when
Speaker 1: I have a first round pick. There you go, that's me,
Speaker 1: That's just me. Thanks for all the questions. So we're
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Speaker 1: snubs and surprises and yeah, a couple read that snubs list,
Speaker 1: Philip Lindsay, anybody, Yeah, yeah, well I take a long
Speaker 1: look at the snubs list. I started on my this
Speaker 1: snubs list this morning because I've heard a few including
Speaker 1: like Darwin Thompson from Uta State, um, Michael Dogbe from
Speaker 1: Temple a few others. But um, there's last year there
Speaker 1: were thirty eight players drafted who weren't at the Combine.
Speaker 1: So just because a guy doesn't get a Combine invite, right,
Speaker 1: not mean that he's you know, not gonna get drafted.
Speaker 1: So thirty eight players. That's I think fifteen percent of
Speaker 1: the draft. It's a pretty high percentage to get drafted
Speaker 1: and not be at the comment. Yeah, and next week
Speaker 1: when we have our show, we'll probably get into those
Speaker 1: what's the what's the flip side of that, like how
Speaker 1: many guys that get invited to Combine don't get drafted?
Speaker 1: Probably like sixty I've got it right here. Um, last
Speaker 1: year Combine invites to go undrafted one hundred and eighteen players,
Speaker 1: So one hundred and eighteen guys that got invited to
Speaker 1: the Combine didn't get drafted, correct, Holy crap, that's a
Speaker 1: poor job at the league. There were three hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty six players invited last year. That's almost that's a
Speaker 1: third of your talent's thirty five point one percent. That's insane.
Speaker 1: Two hundred and eighteen player the three hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: six are invited, two hundred and eighteen percent or two
Speaker 1: hundred and eighteen players were drafted sixty four point nine percent,
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighteen were undrafted thirty five point one percent.
Speaker 1: That's not good, thank you, Jason, And I mean that's
Speaker 1: pretty consistent. I did the last five years. Get a
Speaker 1: sample set, run through that real quick um combine invites
Speaker 1: to go undrafted. Last year was one hundred and eighteen
Speaker 1: year before one oh five, year before one hundred and seventeen,
Speaker 1: year before that, one hundred and eight year before that
Speaker 1: one hundred and eleven. So every year it's been pretty consistent.
Speaker 1: I know, about a third, just over a third of
Speaker 1: your draft pool. Wow, I know, I mean, ay, it's
Speaker 1: a hard target to hit, but I gotta believe you
Speaker 1: could get it up toward eighty percent. Yeah, we need it.
Speaker 1: We will get into that next week. Okay, get to
Speaker 1: thee These would you rather? Would you rather? And would
Speaker 1: you rather? Is players within a position, within a round.
Speaker 1: These are these are the guys you have done a
Speaker 1: good job with this. These are all guys that I
Speaker 1: hear getting mentioned in the Okay, Brad, well, Okay, we
Speaker 1: got fifteen minutes to kind of get through this list,
Speaker 1: so let's give it a little longer. Would you rather?
Speaker 1: Iwa State running back David Montgomery or Memphis running back
Speaker 1: Darryl Henderson. That's a good one. I like that a
Speaker 1: lot because that's two guys I have rated very similar,
Speaker 1: but they offered different things. One's more home run threat,
Speaker 1: one's more, you know, tougher between the tackles. Um I
Speaker 1: would prefer I would take Montgomery for IA State because
Speaker 1: I think he's gives me a little more value as
Speaker 1: a three down player, a little more reliable. But Henderson's
Speaker 1: a home run threat. Yeah, this is where this is
Speaker 1: the one. I mean, I I love Henderson, I like
Speaker 1: them both, but Henderson at Memphis it's just it's five
Speaker 1: a one ninety nine. But you know, to me, I
Speaker 1: just saw a guy that was an explosive player. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, another guy was just more of
Speaker 1: a kind of you know, just a pounder, bad weather back,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of a running between the tackles, and
Speaker 1: you know, you know, one's a grinder one exactly. And
Speaker 1: I think with me, with Henderson, I just didn't feel
Speaker 1: like that he needed much room to make something big happen.
Speaker 1: And I think the other guy needs more room. I
Speaker 1: really do not. And again I'm not trying to, you know,
Speaker 1: but if you gave me a choice, I'm taking Henderson myself.
Speaker 1: I just think he's I think Montgomery is if you
Speaker 1: want to if you want a tough guy that catches
Speaker 1: the ball, and you know who to pick up on
Speaker 1: the blitz and all that stuff. He's he's got some
Speaker 1: complete back to him. But I didn't see a guy
Speaker 1: that really had the speed to turn the corner and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But no, there's nothing special about him
Speaker 1: as an athlete, right, He's just a steady, steady player.
Speaker 1: But I give me the explosive guy in this case,
Speaker 1: my player comparison for Henderson. Yeah, Dalvin Cook, I think
Speaker 1: you see a lot of similar all right, swerving in
Speaker 1: and out there you go. I worry a little bit
Speaker 1: about that offense. I mean that offense opened up some
Speaker 1: huge holes for him. Yeah, but it's gonna be about
Speaker 1: a quarterback there, Dalvin Cook. Darius Geics, like history says
Speaker 1: like a pretty good running back is gonna be there
Speaker 1: in the Cowboys range. How many running backs you have
Speaker 1: ahead of Henderson on your board so far? Let me
Speaker 1: tell you Jacobs. Jacobs is really the only one. Okay,
Speaker 1: actually actually actually take that back, Uh, I have I
Speaker 1: like Trey Williams, and I like Singletary ahead of yeah,
Speaker 1: ahead of Henderson, tray ViOn Williams. Williams. Yeah from a
Speaker 1: m Yeah, I agree with you on those. The only
Speaker 1: other guy, I would add, is I like Damian Harris.
Speaker 1: Damon Harrison's Damon Harris is like seventy five percent version
Speaker 1: of Zeke. That's who he is. Yeah. Yeah, he's not
Speaker 1: one hundred percent Zeke. He's not Zeke, but he's like
Speaker 1: seventy five percent Zeke. All right, I gotta speed y'all up? Yeah? Sorry? Uh?
Speaker 1: Would you rather Hakeem Butler wide receiver Iowa State or
Speaker 1: Texas his own Jordan Humphrey? Mmmm? It kind of depends
Speaker 1: on what you want, a slot or an outside stretch guy,
Speaker 1: you know, like what you know, what do you really
Speaker 1: need in your offense? Because little Jordan Humphrey is that big,
Speaker 1: oversized slot receiver who can find those open zones, help
Speaker 1: you on crossers, strong at the catch point. He's gonna
Speaker 1: high point well. And meanwhile, Butler is more of the
Speaker 1: downfield threat where jump balls and you know he's gonna
Speaker 1: Humphrey makes some place down the field. Yeah yeah, but
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying. So I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: I take probably, and I feel better about little Jordan
Speaker 1: Humphrey in terms of what I'm getting. I feel better
Speaker 1: about understanding what I'm getting. But Butler's got more. I
Speaker 1: think more upside because of those big play potential that
Speaker 1: he has. Could could how they run be the factor?
Speaker 1: And who's taken first. I don't think either is gonna
Speaker 1: run very well. That's what I'm saying, though. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean if one runs better, if one train's better, it
Speaker 1: happens to run better than the other. Are we going
Speaker 1: to see a guy go one over the Butler's probably
Speaker 1: gonna run like a four or five six and Humphrey's
Speaker 1: gonna run like a four six one? Yeah, something like that,
Speaker 1: you know, and everybody's not gonna like him. And then
Speaker 1: you watch the tape and they both make plays down
Speaker 1: I means ran a four or five eight, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not Michael Thomas ran a four five seven. Yeah. Wide
Speaker 1: receiver is a technical position. I'd take Humphrey over this guy. Yes,
Speaker 1: I agree. All right, here's glad you had an answer. Well,
Speaker 1: that's true, but I do like Humphrey a lot. This
Speaker 1: is one cowboy fans will like this one. Um Stanford
Speaker 1: tight end, Cayden Smith or a and M's Jay Sternburger.
Speaker 1: Who would you rather? I'm taking Sternburger. Sternburger. I'm surprised
Speaker 1: you didn't like Katon Smith that much. I just struggled.
Speaker 1: I like him a lot better than Dalton Schultz was
Speaker 1: lash year. It was Brian's guy. Yeah, Dalton Schultz he
Speaker 1: hates all of a sudden. No, I don't hate him.
Speaker 1: I don't hate him. I just I it was disappointed
Speaker 1: in him. Not mad. I disappointed. No, it's disappointed because
Speaker 1: I felt like that he was. I felt like he
Speaker 1: was gonna come in and start. It's got three more
Speaker 1: years on his kind, I know, but I just felt
Speaker 1: like that. You know, the Stanford. I fell in love
Speaker 1: with the Stanford. You just like David Show. So now
Speaker 1: you're overcompensating the other way, disliking Cayton Smith got burned
Speaker 1: a little bit by Dalton. So now you're I don't
Speaker 1: I don't see a guy with much after catch. Here
Speaker 1: with this guy, all these tight ends, I watched, everybody's
Speaker 1: doing something after catch that Kayton Smith does not. It
Speaker 1: does nothing after the catch, did Jason Winton except for
Speaker 1: that one time without Yeah, I'm saying I just don't
Speaker 1: see a guy that extends routes and stuff like that. Well,
Speaker 1: you want a big time playmaker at tight end, or
Speaker 1: you'd love yes, that'd be great. But in the third
Speaker 1: round where you're probably gonna get surer can make plays.
Speaker 1: It gets We were live watching this guy do well,
Speaker 1: and that's why I think he's a Sturnburger. If you
Speaker 1: want him, you have to take him in the second
Speaker 1: round where Cayton Smith I think he could be there
Speaker 1: in the third round. Okay, I think those two players
Speaker 1: are your day two options for the Cowboys at tight
Speaker 1: end in a second to be Sternberger and the third
Speaker 1: by Katon Smith. And they're different. Kane Smith's a chain mover,
Speaker 1: a guy who's gonna give you more as a blocker. Um,
Speaker 1: he did you see a guy got much movement though,
Speaker 1: That's what Bobby Kane Smith. Yeah, he's not an overpowering guy,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't lose a lot either. I mean he's
Speaker 1: a sustained guy or you know, he's more of a
Speaker 1: stalemate guy, not an overpower guy. Okay, so Sternberger. Sternberger
Speaker 1: is the answer. He fumbled in overtime for he did
Speaker 1: by the way, bad bad fumbled. The box score didn't
Speaker 1: say that it did. It should have Mississippi State defensive
Speaker 1: tackle Jeffrey Simmons or Simmons and done unless you say
Speaker 1: Quinn and Williams, well Clemson Christian Wilkins, who we already
Speaker 1: know Dan doesn't like. No, No, I like Christian Wilkins. Okay,
Speaker 1: do it to flip it the other way. Oh you
Speaker 1: don't like Lawrence. I'm sorry, yea flip I flip it
Speaker 1: the other way. Quinn, Yeah, go Quinnon Williams with that guy.
Speaker 1: You gotta go Quinnon. Simmons is great, but Quinn and
Speaker 1: Williams actually gives you are people gonna like Simmons just
Speaker 1: as much you think no, Williams gives you a better
Speaker 1: pass rush value. I mean, Simmons can get to the
Speaker 1: quarterback with that power, but Williams is such a better
Speaker 1: pass rusher. And if you can create an interior, yeah,
Speaker 1: no doubt that's a difference maker. See. I think Quinnon
Speaker 1: Williams is one of the best players in this draft.
Speaker 1: He's a number two players in this draft. I think
Speaker 1: easy does could Simmons could? And maybe not? Like right away, like,
Speaker 1: could could he play on the edge? Does he have
Speaker 1: any type of flex like that? He just he doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like he's built like most defensive tackles. Like he
Speaker 1: looks leaning six three three eleven. I think he's I
Speaker 1: mean his calves are huge. Yeah, like he's he's really
Speaker 1: really he's just a grown wa talk about him. And
Speaker 1: those are two physical players. Oh yeah, I mean that's
Speaker 1: you watch. I mean they how you judge defensive tackles.
Speaker 1: If you could see their number in their name the
Speaker 1: whole time, you know, yeah, if they're not getting turned
Speaker 1: and washed and stuff like that, they're pretty good. These guys.
Speaker 1: You you you you see ninety four and you know
Speaker 1: you see those numbers. I think Simmons and Wilkins, that's
Speaker 1: a good one because I think they they offer something
Speaker 1: a little different. Simmons is more of the grown man.
Speaker 1: He's got more power at the point of attack. Got
Speaker 1: some off the field stuff too, right, he does. And
Speaker 1: that's gonna be and that's gonna be a really interesting
Speaker 1: storyline with him because it's not as bad as I think.
Speaker 1: You see defensive tackles fall before because of injury and sure,
Speaker 1: yeah things sure with Christian wilpon Allen, Yeah, definitely with
Speaker 1: Christian Wilkins, you're getting a guy that's more of an
Speaker 1: upfield penetrator. Um, you know, the flexible hips, the way
Speaker 1: you can get through gaps, um talking to people at
Speaker 1: clumpson they rave about him. They one guy said that
Speaker 1: the only, uh, only player they've had that was better
Speaker 1: from a leadership, maturity integral standpoint was Deshaun Watson. So
Speaker 1: that's pretty high praise Christian Balkins. So, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: why Christian what they're both gonna be top fifteen guys.
Speaker 1: Simmons is a monster though Simmons is rated just ahead
Speaker 1: of Wilkins for men, who who would you rather? We're
Speaker 1: gonna separate the two Devons who we already talked about,
Speaker 1: but arguable. I mean, if you're looking for a linebacker,
Speaker 1: your best two bets LSU's Devin White and Michigan's Devin Bush.
Speaker 1: If Bush were just two inches, you're gonna say this
Speaker 1: if ifs we're a fifth, we'd all be drunk. Dane, Yes,
Speaker 1: you're right. I like that. It's just it's tough because
Speaker 1: and it's not something that we're just getting hung up on,
Speaker 1: like arm length and numbers. You see it on tape
Speaker 1: where oh you do you know he's whether it's getting
Speaker 1: off blocks or finishing tackles. But he's such a powerful player.
Speaker 1: He's such a rangy player. Yes, so smart I love
Speaker 1: so much about Devin Bush. I just the length is
Speaker 1: going to lead to some negative plays here and there,
Speaker 1: and you got to live with that. And I think
Speaker 1: you will live with that. But I think that Devin
Speaker 1: wits the answer. I'll tell you what though, man for
Speaker 1: a shorter guy, he can hold his ground. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're danger right though, you do see some time. But
Speaker 1: this guy's got a real nose for the ball. He's
Speaker 1: a smart guy. I mean he sees stuff and he's gone.
Speaker 1: He's running, I mean sideline to sideline player, he get
Speaker 1: through the trash phills, gaps. He's short. That's that. He
Speaker 1: is a five eleven guy, and he might not he
Speaker 1: might not be five eve I'd be five to eleven.
Speaker 1: In my two round mock draft I did this week,
Speaker 1: I the Packers going jechipool in the two rounds jichipool.
Speaker 1: Uh Noah fant Devin Bush loved what they got in
Speaker 1: that draft. I think that'd be a home trying to
Speaker 1: get a job with the Packers. What do you got
Speaker 1: going there? If that worked out, it'd be grateful. How
Speaker 1: close would I mean, I know we kind of touched
Speaker 1: on this. How close would you stack Devin White to
Speaker 1: Roquan Smith. I think there's a big difference in instincts there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do too. Roquan was a stud what though they
Speaker 1: both create turnovers. Though Devin White well and when he
Speaker 1: can he can, he's got I feel a lot better
Speaker 1: about Roquan Smith and coverage too. Yeah, Like I think
Speaker 1: he's just a lot more natural in that area. Devin
Speaker 1: White really wasn't asked to do that a lot. He
Speaker 1: did some spot dropping and you see the range, but
Speaker 1: he's just more of a C bowl get ball guy
Speaker 1: where Roquan I think you said a little more instinctual anticipation,
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. All right, we got two more
Speaker 1: to do in three minutes, to do it rapid fire
Speaker 1: Clemson corner, Trayvon Mullen, Vandy corner, Joe Juan Williams. That's
Speaker 1: a good one. I like that one. Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: done pretty good so far. Give you credit. Their their
Speaker 1: tags are touching for me right now based on Brian
Speaker 1: loves that. He loves to hear that. I love to
Speaker 1: hear that, you know, because there's but's this, what's the
Speaker 1: where's what's the round? What's the projection here? By mid
Speaker 1: second second? Yeah, for sure. I mean they're both tall,
Speaker 1: bright guys. Maybe before Dallas picks Joe one. Williams is
Speaker 1: one of the most physically impressive. Just when you look
Speaker 1: at him, he's so physically impressive for a corner you
Speaker 1: would swear, you would swear it's he'd make Jalen Rams
Speaker 1: you look like his little brother. Yeah. Wow, Like he's
Speaker 1: just he's so physically Yeah, he's he's really really but
Speaker 1: good looking kids. He's more of a four five five athlete.
Speaker 1: He's gonna get beat with speed. Uh, you know you
Speaker 1: worry about that. And with Mullen again, he's tall, long rangey,
Speaker 1: but doesn't have a great fuel with the back to
Speaker 1: the ball. I mean you could poke holes in both
Speaker 1: these guys. They just both look really good at in
Speaker 1: there uh in pads and they run really well. So
Speaker 1: I don't know who I Mullin slightly ahead of Williams
Speaker 1: right now, but again tags are touching, you know. I
Speaker 1: I give me Williams from Vanderbilt and I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: I mean, again, they're both tall guys. I love when
Speaker 1: Brian finds his notes on a guy, but like his
Speaker 1: face lights No, no, no, I'm just looking at Mullin's
Speaker 1: notes and stuff like that, and you know, I just
Speaker 1: I think that he play, Yeah, he does. He plays
Speaker 1: with more of a burst. Mullin plays with a burst,
Speaker 1: but he tends to float. You know, you watch me coverage,
Speaker 1: he floats and that bothers me about him. All Right,
Speaker 1: you like Williams, I'm cutting out off. Yeah. Thanks, two
Speaker 1: guys that Cowboys fans. I have been enamored with safety
Speaker 1: Taylor rap out of Washington and Jonathan Abram out of
Speaker 1: Mississippi State. Another one where I have him rated pretty closely. Um,
Speaker 1: so you had Abram going the pick after the Cowboys
Speaker 1: I did to the Colts. Uh. He's more of your
Speaker 1: traditional strong safety. Um. He has arranged to hold up
Speaker 1: in coverage, but that's not what he does best. He's physical.
Speaker 1: I love the energy that he brings to the field
Speaker 1: and he's kind of like an old soul type of guy.
Speaker 1: He's married or he as a kid, but he brings
Speaker 1: it every single time he's on the field. Taylor Raps
Speaker 1: kind of similar where it's it's a lot of intelligence,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of understanding angles. Neither are great athletes
Speaker 1: where you consider them as like a true center field
Speaker 1: single high type, but they're versatile. They could do a
Speaker 1: lot of different things. I would go rap, but I
Speaker 1: have them Raps, my number three safety abras, my number
Speaker 1: four safety. I'll tell you what it give me rap
Speaker 1: I mean. And I appreciate what he's saying about the
Speaker 1: Mississippi State kid because I don't think he's wrong about that.
Speaker 1: But with Rap I had my notes were so good
Speaker 1: on him about time and blitzes, ability to run and close,
Speaker 1: a quickness of his feet, stays in coverage, He's not
Speaker 1: afraid to stick his nose in there. He doesn't miss tackles.
Speaker 1: He's just a tough guy. And I if you're gonna
Speaker 1: if you want me to have a safety, give me
Speaker 1: guy that can play near the line, play back noses, assignments,
Speaker 1: doesn't make mistakes. But I'll tell you they're both really,
Speaker 1: really good players. But I would I would draft Rot
Speaker 1: before I would the other kid. I agree, And so
Speaker 1: that's a rat. It is a rap I will. I'm curious,
Speaker 1: you know, safety being a need. Obviously, we'll see how
Speaker 1: it changes. Yeah, I know Christoph Shard was here last year,
Speaker 1: but I'm still fascinated by the impact that he could
Speaker 1: have in He's still gonna have a big impact yet, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: get ready, I mean the Cam Chancellor. Yeah, they Let's
Speaker 1: see what happens round Pitts. Let's see what happens in
Speaker 1: free agency too with that safety position. Let's see what
Speaker 1: kind of recruiter Chris raher Shard is. See we can
Speaker 1: get one of his former players. If not, we're talking
Speaker 1: about Taylor rapping on the movie ET before I have
Speaker 1: him ET come Home. Man. I like that, Oh, I
Speaker 1: like it? All right, Well, that is all the time
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