WEBVTT - BONUS: Video Game Saves 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:05.080 Ephemeral is a production of My Heart three D audio 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:16.000 for full exposure, listen What's that phones. This month on Ephemeral, 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:20.040 we've been talking about the evolution of video games, dating 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:23.840 back to the simple beginnings of Pown and Space Invaders, 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:27.400 all the way up to the supercomputers that power our 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:32.360 imaginations today. But in today's episode, we wanted to focus 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:37.080 on the world's inside those video games. Video games can 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:40.080 remove us from reality and place us in a magical 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:43.880 and surreal world. But given the ephemeral nature of video 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:49.639 games saves all of this wonder, amazement, and experience can 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:52.400 be gone in the blink of an eye, leaving this 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:57.840 world to exist only in our memories. I could probably 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:00.960 give you a story about me being involved in like 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:04.200 a lost save file from pretty much any time period 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:08.240 of my life. My name is Matt Davidson, and my 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:11.440 qualifications as a video gamer, I would say are pretty 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:14.640 extensive just because of the generation I come from. So 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:17.800 I was born in which puts me right in the 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:21.720 middle of original Nintendo era, and I stuck with it 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:25.560 enough through current times to where I played every different 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:28.560 era of video games on pretty much every different console 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:32.639 at one time or another. It wasn't necessarily me losing 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:36.679 a save file, but I played the Diablo series, so 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:39.920 both in Diablo Too and Diablo three, there's a mode 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:43.280 that you can elect to play called Hardcore Mode. In 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:46.000 Hardcore Mode, you agree at the beginning that if you die, 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:50.000 all your progress is lost, and what it does is 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:52.240 it resets you from zero, no matter how many hours 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:57.400 you've sunk into this character. The ones that really hurt 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:00.120 the most were when you would lose internet connection and 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.000 then you would log back in and your character was 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:07.560 dead and deleted. Right. So I had a few characters, 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:11.720 one in particular that probably had close to five or 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:16.359 six hundred hours of playtime just playing a very pedestrian 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:21.440 part of the game, and my internet cut out when 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:24.440 I got back on that character had died to some 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:32.720 you know, trash mob. I went through this period where 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:35.160 I actually had to stop playing the game for like 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:38.360 three months because it's like when a dog dies and 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:41.080 you like can't get another dog for like for a 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:44.520 few months because it's too painful. Like I uninstalled the game, 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:49.360 I had to completely walk away. I eventually did come 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:51.720 back to the game. I went through the whole process 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:56.120 again and lost another character and then I just had 0:02:56.160 --> 0:03:00.760 to stop. I couldn't take the pain anymore. I guess, 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:03.200 like the funniest thing about it is like, it's so 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:06.600 painful to you, but anybody that doesn't play games, like 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:11.960 your significant other, like, has no idea how painful it is. 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:15.040 And my wife is just kind of like bewildered why 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:18.560 I was so upset If I'm talking to somebody that 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.480 doesn't play video games. I'm almost a little embarrassed to 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:25.720 tell the story because a the number of hours I 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:29.680 sunk into playing a video game and be I sort 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:32.000 of set myself up for that, right, Like if you 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:35.280 play high stakes like that, you're gonna lose at some point. 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:39.200 I almost feel foolish for thinking that I was gonna 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.920 be able to, you know, ride the lightning forever and 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:46.920 never have a fault. Somebody would call and my mom 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:48.720 would be on the phone for like half an hour, 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:54.880 and I'm sitting there, like, Mom, I thought my carriages die. Hi, 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:58.640 I'm Josh Chandler. Have been playing video games pretty much 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:01.920 on my wife. That's the I started playing card games, 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:05.520 and then I guess in my later twenties I got 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:08.360 very good at it, and I guess my biggest claim 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.600 to family is I got Top one hundred and Magic 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:15.760 to Gathering and her Stone and soon to be the 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:19.040 new You gear game. So you're good at video games, 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:24.800 card games, I've got a card games. Back in middle school, 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:27.880 there was a game called Rinscap and Rindscape was like 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:31.039 one of the first like MMO games where you could 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:34.159 go in and interact with other people. But that was 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.440 back in the time of dial up. It was pretty 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.520 bad when people would call, dial up would go out 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:46.279 and DSL was still not another not available. I'll never 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:49.880 forget this one instance. So I guess our friend Michael, 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:52.520 we were like out in what's called the wilderness where 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:56.640 you can kill other players. I was with him and 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:01.919 my internet went out, and then he killed me. My 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:03.760 friend that I was supposed to be like my ally 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:06.200 killed me and took all my stuff. And then when 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:11.640 I wrong in im just like, what how did that 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:14.560 make you feel at the time this is happening, and 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:16.960 how do you feel about it all these years later? 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:20.680 I mean I felt freaking angry at Michael. I mean 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:22.880 he was supposed to be have my teammate, he's like 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:26.240 my friend right now, I just have trust issues with 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:36.080 I quit ultim online that day because everything I had 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:41.839 fought for for years was it. God. This is Matt Frederick. 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:46.720 I am an executive producer on Ephemeral officially also a 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:49.240 host of stuff they don't want you to know. Let 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:52.599 me take you back to middle school. I'm playing ultim 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.360 online with my friend Victor. We're playing all the time. 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:57.760 He's got a couple of characters. He's really good at it. 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:02.200 And I've got one character. Character's name is Malachi. And 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.560 I'm doing everything I can to get my fame and 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:08.200 my carma up. I'm trying to make money. I finally 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:12.000 get there. I'm the illustrious something Malachi, and I just 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:14.359 got enough money to buy a boat, which was a 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:16.520 really big deal because in the game, you can either 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.279 have a house or a boat where you could store 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:21.599 all the stuff you've gathered, or you've got to just 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:24.160 put it in the bank, which is just kind of 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.040 you know, that's fine, whatever, But if you really want 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:30.000 to be somebody in ltimonline, you need a boat or 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:33.719 a house. I got this boat. I used all my money. 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:37.120 I took it over to the water, and I placed 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:39.880 my boat in the water, and I teleported onto my 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:43.640 boat and I started putting my best stuff into the 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.160 cargo hold of this boat, and I was so excited 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:48.240 and I was going to transfer that stuff over. I 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:52.000 was gonna get to see the world in ultimonline. Some 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:55.719 other character unbeknownst to me kind of walks over and 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:58.880 just hanging out on the shoreline, and then they just disappear, 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.039 and like, oh, that was weird. Well, it turns out 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:04.920 they had cast an invisibility spell on themselves and then 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.400 teleported onto my boat. All of a sudden, I see 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.000 all of my stuff coming out of my ship's cargo hold, 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:15.880 all of my most important, most fought for magic items, 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.560 my money, all the rest of the money that I had. 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:23.680 Everything just goes onto this guy, and I'm freaking out. 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:25.520 I'm trying to figure out what's going on. So I 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:27.400 try and take everything else out of the boat and 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:29.560 then teleport off of it, because if you do that, 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:32.280 you could double click on the boat and it shrinks 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:34.200 down and you can put it in your backpack, basically 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:36.960 like it's an item. But this guy had taken my 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:39.840 spare key from my boat out of my boat, and 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:42.440 he was able to click on it and take my boat, 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:47.480 and then he just got the kind of there. It's 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:49.960 not cool. I'm still to this day upset. I think 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:53.000 just a not knowing and the amount of energy you 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:54.760 put into something that you can never get back, where 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:56.840 it's like it's just gone. Those are the two things 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:00.280 that strike the deepest. Hi. My name is Kevin Cool. 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:03.720 I reside in Portland, Oregon. I've been playing video games 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:07.520 for over twenty years, and in two thousand and seventeen 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.040 on Madden Online for the Xbox I was ranked with 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:13.280 the top twenty three percent of online participants. So I 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:17.480 feel like I'm pretty good. I was kind of young, 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.320 so video games are pretty big. The game was on 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.960 the Nintendo sixty four console. The legend of Zelda, okerry 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:27.800 enough time, and if I remember correctly, you got three 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.960 safe files in Zelda. The one that it hurts the 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:33.600 most was what I'd call my master one. This is 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.079 one where I had beat the game, gotten everything that 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:38.800 all the little side quest you can save it right 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:41.320 before you beat the final boss. You can go back 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:44.240 in fight the boss continuously over and over. So that 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:46.439 was my third safe file, just because it was like 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:48.079 I beat the game, I had all my cool stuff. 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:49.560 So you know, when your friends come over, you gotta 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:51.800 show off, so it's like, oh I did this, like, 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:53.640 oh you got the mirror shi, oh you got to 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:55.920 have her boots. I don't know if it was like 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.800 a glitch or what, but the state was still there. 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:05.280 You could access it, but it just froze. It wasn't 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:07.800 the exact set point that it would freeze at, but 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:09.880 you always knew it was gonna glick. So it was 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:12.200 like the countdown. It is either thirty seconds, thirty minutes, 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:13.880 you know, whatever it is. You could load the save, 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:16.360 but you could never actually beat it and continues to 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:19.000 play it again. There's always a wish. We're just paused, 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:22.400 and it would just stay there and there's nothing you 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:26.640 could do. It was very painful, as most people are. 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:30.079 At first, I'm in denial. It's not broken, it's that's 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:33.120 whatever happened. So you do the old run around, takes 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:37.600 the game out, blowing the cartridge, lick the cartridge. Yes, 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.600 we went there. Lick the cartridge. I think even like 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:42.600 try to like put a fork or something metal on. 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:45.559 It's like remagnetize it, even though that didn't do anything, 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:49.920 you know, kid magic. And then I'm pretty sure I 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:52.559 went to Anger and ran around screaming and yelling at everyone, 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:54.880 and I hated the world for probably a week. I'm 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:56.960 gonna say a month. I don't really remember, but I 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:59.080 know I hated everyone because I was so mad because 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:01.160 I've spent so many hours and I could never do 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:03.760 that again, and that was the perfect file and nothing 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.280 would ever come close to that ever again, and nothing 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:08.400 in my life mattered anymore. And I was not gonna 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:11.840 pass the seventh grade, and my girlfriend was gonna dump me, 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:14.240 and my mom was gonna make meat loaf for dinner 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:16.800 for a week. Life, as I know it had ended 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:20.480 at that point, as you can tell, is rehash some pain. 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:25.080 There's that song that was playing when the barrow went out. 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:30.320 I still can't listen to it without getting like, Hi, 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:33.600 I'm Annie Reese. I'm a podcast host for the show's 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:37.480 stuff I've never told you and save her. My brothers 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:40.480 were notorious for just erasing my save file. So one 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:43.360 of my favorite games, Final Fantasy three Slash six, they 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:45.480 would just erase it before I could get anywhere, and 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:48.960 it would be heartbreaking every time. Once I was playing 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:52.439 Final Fantasy ten and I put hours into Final Fantasy tin, 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.880 I normally am not somebody who like levels up to 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:57.800 go fight the ultimate Boss. I did in that game. 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:02.280 It was Christmas. Eve had gotten this weapon that you 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.200 needed to fight this ultimate boss and all the stuff. 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:07.960 For me, it was a huge deal. I'd never done 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:18.160 anything like that. Power went out, Power went out, lost everything, 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:24.120 the entire hundred fifty hours gone, and I was right 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:26.480 at the part where I was going to fight it, 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:29.199 and I could have saved right after that, and I 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:32.080 was so scarred by I could play it, and I 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.720 never tried to do it again. It's not worth it. 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:40.760 Game Shark was a very attractive idea. Oh, I can 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:43.800 just use these cheet codes and I can get everything 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.400 I want in the game. This is awesome. But as 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:48.600 a youngster, what I didn't know is that what game 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:50.680 Shark really does is it goes into the game and 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.920 alters like the code in the game and like basically 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:57.520 screws the entire game. Up. Hi am Trevor Young. I 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:04.720 am a producer on Ephemeral. I was playing also Final 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:07.480 Fantasy ten And I don't know if you remember this, 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.640 but back in the late nineties early two thousand's, there 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.480 was the think called game Shark, and it would allow 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.840 you to install these sorts of like cheat codes and 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:19.720 all these other various ways to get items in the 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.360 game without actually having to do anything. I had this 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.560 final Fantasy ten Say file that I had dumped hours 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:28.360 and hours and hours into doing all sorts of stuff, 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.440 beating every bus, every endgame thing you could possibly do. 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:33.080 But there was still like a handful of things that 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:35.040 I was really frustrated that I couldn't do, like I 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.920 think a couple of ultimate weapons and some other things 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:39.800 that like are just like really hard to do in 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:41.720 that game, in the endgame, And so I used the 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:45.800 game Shark to get those few things. And what the 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:48.480 game Shark did was it like blitzed out my whole file, 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:54.959 so like it gave me those things, but like everything 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:56.640 else was like glitch out after that, Like I don't 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:58.800 know what it did to the code. It was basically 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:01.840 an unplayable safe in the game. Every time I would 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:04.440 log on, like the characters would just be like moving 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:07.040 across the map without me touching it. I'd have like 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:09.559 these kind of random encounters, and then like the random 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.560 encounters would just be like these monsters that would move 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:14.320 around a lot and like didn't do what they were 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:16.360 supposed to do. It was really weird. Basically, like the 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:18.400 game was unplayable after that, Like the game Shark just 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:21.240 completely screwed up this same file, and so I basically 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:23.400 just had to wipe the whole thing and start over. 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:24.840 Like there was nothing I could do. There was no 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.440 way to play it. Luckily, Final Fantasy ten ones itself 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:31.040 pretty well to replayability, but still I was pretty heartbroken. 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:32.600 I don't think I played it for like two years. 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:36.719 Last question, this is a quick one. Let's say I 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.680 knocked on your door tomorrow and said, here you go, 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:43.120 here's your system. Would you try to do this again? 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:47.480 The answer to that is yes, I fully intend to 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:52.280 when Diabolo four comes out. That's the kind of insane 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.319 thing about it is, even though I have so much pain, 0:13:55.720 --> 0:14:00.520 the pain drives me to do it again. I don't 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:03.200 think I would ever try to do like what I 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:05.920 did in my example of losing it. I wouldn't try 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.880 to get every Ultimate weapon again. I would play it again. 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:12.040 I'm not going to try to get all those weapons 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:16.240 and fight all those Ultimate bosses ever again. I think 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:20.480 I would try, Especially now with the last two years 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:23.200 being a pandemic, that's an extra time on my hands. 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.040 So all things considered him like plotting out, I could 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:28.280 have easily done it over the past two years. It's 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:30.720 more so, like I said, the emotional investment. Do I 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:34.160 want to put that much energy into something where I 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:36.960 know it could be taken away in an instant and 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.560 there's nothing I can do. But I would probably say, yeah, 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:42.880 I would probably do it again. I quit playing with 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:45.800 him now I still have trust issues twenty years later 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:49.440 with him. Could you see yourself going through the wilderness 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:53.640 with him again? No, I would definitely try again, but 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:55.640 it would take a lot of time. I would need 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:59.120 some healing, some self reflection. I would have to like 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.160 take a solo trip to a cabin in the woods 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:04.560 in a mountains somewhere and really like think about my 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:07.120 life for a couple of months, and then I'd come 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:09.800 back to it and start a new game, a final 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:14.240 Fantasy ten. If you came up to me with the 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:18.360 old Dell computer and you had ultim Online loaded up 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:22.600 and it had a secure connection to the server, There's 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:26.080 no way in hell I would try and play Ultimate it. 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:34.200 This episode of Ephemeral was written and produced by Max Williams, 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:37.560 with special thanks to Jesse Funk. Those were the voices 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:42.920 of Matt Davidson, Josh Chandler, Matt Frederick, Kevin Cool, Any Reese, 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:47.080 and Trevor Young. 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