WEBVTT - Episode 183: Bailey Freeman (Foolish Baseball)

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to episode number one eighty three of the Marine

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<v Speaker 1>Layer Podcast. We welcome on Bailey Freeman, also known as

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<v Speaker 1>Foolish Baseball on YouTube. We chat with him about the

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<v Speaker 1>Mariners off season, the usefulness of advanced numbers, which he

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<v Speaker 1>uses so much on his channel, and we also talk

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<v Speaker 1>to him about the success of Foolish Baseball and baseball bits.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get it rolling and we welcome you to this

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<v Speaker 1>episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just

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<v Speaker 1>Baseball podcast network. Recording on Monday evening, November eighteenth. The

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<v Speaker 1>hot stove is right now the opposite of hots. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to make a comparison of how the hot

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<v Speaker 1>stove is right now. The hot stove is like if

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<v Speaker 1>we've lost electricity and we needed to use a match

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<v Speaker 1>to light the stove, but we can't find any matches.

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<v Speaker 1>We're out.

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<v Speaker 2>Only the angels can find matches, and they only kept

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<v Speaker 2>it lit for a minute or two with some weird

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<v Speaker 2>trades over the last couple of weeks. That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>They went to the dollar tree for their matches.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's about right. Oh, you know what we should

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<v Speaker 2>talk about here for a minute. The hot stove's not

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<v Speaker 2>back yet. You know who is though? Us? The two

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<v Speaker 2>of us? What you know what I'm talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're back. Now what do we mean by that?

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<v Speaker 2>I'll let TJ explain.

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<v Speaker 1>So we have in this offseason expanded our range a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. So we've created a new channel, a new

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<v Speaker 1>brand on Instagram, TikTok YouTube or we're going to branch

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<v Speaker 1>out and do some national stuff, a lot of short form,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of trivia. We're going to fire off some

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<v Speaker 1>takes on there as well. It's also going to be

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<v Speaker 1>fan focused too, when we get back out into some

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<v Speaker 1>more public baseball settings, like we'll be at the Winter

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<v Speaker 1>Meetings coming up here in December, and then once the

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<v Speaker 1>season gets underway as well, a chance for us to

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<v Speaker 1>get out into the masses and instead of just the

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<v Speaker 1>Mariners fan base will now hopefully be connected to all

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<v Speaker 1>thirty So one step at a time. We got it

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<v Speaker 1>started here on Monday, post our first video here on Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>So if you want to go check that out on TikTok,

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram YouTube look for Bullpen Banter Baseball, Bullpen Banner Baseball.

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<v Speaker 1>We put it on our store here on Monday, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you'll see it over the course of this week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's our at The brand name is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be Bullpen Banter, So bullpen b A N T

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<v Speaker 2>er And like TJ said, just to add a couple

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<v Speaker 2>pieces of context to all this, we love the Mariners.

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<v Speaker 2>The Mariners are our biggest passion. The Marine Layer podcast

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<v Speaker 2>is not going anywhere far from it. We just also

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<v Speaker 2>want to try to do some stuff nationally too and

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<v Speaker 2>build up a page on the national scale as well,

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<v Speaker 2>so we're gonna be tackling both. We've got some really

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<v Speaker 2>fun ideas for it. We're hoping to not just do

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<v Speaker 2>some stuff with fans, So let me add the context.

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<v Speaker 2>The two of us, a lot of the time we'll

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<v Speaker 2>just be sitting and we're and pumping out content, short

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<v Speaker 2>form content based on takes. The two of us have

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<v Speaker 2>the two of us quizzing one another doing trivia. But

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<v Speaker 2>when we're out in the public, whenever we have the

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<v Speaker 2>chance and we have our mic, we're gonna try to

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<v Speaker 2>get as many people on the mic as possible. And

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<v Speaker 2>the nice thing about doing a national brand is whatever

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<v Speaker 2>team somebody's a fan of, we can center something around them,

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<v Speaker 2>and not just fans. We're hoping to do it with

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of people. If a bunch of if we

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<v Speaker 2>find celebrities that want to do it, great, If we

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<v Speaker 2>find baseball media members that want to do it awesome,

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<v Speaker 2>If players are into the idea, couldn't be more on

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<v Speaker 2>board with it. So we just started it. When I

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<v Speaker 2>say brand new, it is brand new, and we're hoping

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<v Speaker 2>to see where it goes. We're hoping it has a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of success. And if you guys are interested

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<v Speaker 2>to check that out too, it would mean a ton

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<v Speaker 2>to us. It would mean the world us if you

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<v Speaker 2>check it.

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<v Speaker 1>Out also on X and Blue Sky as well. We

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<v Speaker 1>have a link tree that I can't remember that we'll

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<v Speaker 1>put the well, let's put the link tree in the

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<v Speaker 1>description of this episode, so in case you're curious, you

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<v Speaker 1>can go check out all of our social media platforms

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<v Speaker 1>for that new channel. And now you have multiple ways

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<v Speaker 1>to consume the both of us, which is nice. Mariner's

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<v Speaker 1>stuff here, national stuff there on the Bullpen banner pages,

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<v Speaker 1>so stay tuned to that. It should be a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>One last thing, it's not a podcast, so if you're

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<v Speaker 2>looking for long form podcasts, we're not doing that with this.

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<v Speaker 2>It is going to be all centered around short So

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be short form. It won't take up that

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<v Speaker 2>much of your time if you want to watch sixty

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<v Speaker 2>seconds a day or however many times we post a day. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it'll be all centered around that.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about before we get to Foolish Baseball. Fantastic

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<v Speaker 1>interview with Bailey Freeman, a conversation I'd been looking forward

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<v Speaker 1>to having for a while now and we're finally able

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<v Speaker 1>to get it. But we'll talk about that a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more after a couple of points here about the

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<v Speaker 1>lack there of the hot stove. There has been a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of really interesting storylines that kind of tie to

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<v Speaker 1>the Mariners, kind of don't, but we can still talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it. Should we kick it off with the Wan

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<v Speaker 1>Soto conversation? Again?

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<v Speaker 2>Lyle Yes, Yes, and it ties back to the Dodgers.

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<v Speaker 2>The Dodgers in the spotlight for the second off season

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<v Speaker 2>in a row and with a piece of writing that

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<v Speaker 2>ties back to the Mariners. Incredible stuff. I gotta say,

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<v Speaker 2>there's sarcasm in my voice.

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<v Speaker 1>So let me read this tweet from Alden Gonzalez VESPN.

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<v Speaker 1>So he says, sources tweeted out here on Monday, Dodgers

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<v Speaker 1>are meeting with Juan Soda tomorrow on Tuesday, as Mark

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<v Speaker 1>Finesad first reported. Then he adds some context underneath in

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<v Speaker 1>a paragraph and says, yes, it would be absurd of

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<v Speaker 1>them to follow a billion dollar off season with Shoeeyo

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<v Speaker 1>Tani and Yoshinoba Yamamoto with a six hundred million dollar contract,

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<v Speaker 1>which many people anticipate want Soda, we'll get. But sho

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<v Speaker 1>Hao Tani's first year in La blew away all of

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<v Speaker 1>their financial projections, and they need an outfielder. The key

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<v Speaker 1>sentence there is that sho Hayo Tani's first year in

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles blew away all of their financial projections for

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<v Speaker 1>this upcoming season and what kind of budget they have

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<v Speaker 1>available to them. I can almost remember a similar pitch

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<v Speaker 1>coming from a podcast last off season about the financial

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<v Speaker 1>impact of Sho Hao Tani and a certain team. Who's

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<v Speaker 1>saying that I'm trying to remember.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh right, hmmm, this right here, this right here is

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<v Speaker 2>what pisses me off right here? How is it that fans, podcasters,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera have figured out more than owners of Major

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<v Speaker 2>League Baseball teams? That's spending money nets you money, especially

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<v Speaker 2>spending money on a guy like that. How we're a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of dumb ass podcasters and we figured it out.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole fan base figured it out. Twenty nine other

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<v Speaker 2>fan base has figured it out. How are these owners

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<v Speaker 2>not seeing the light? This idea that owners are more

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<v Speaker 2>baseball savvy than fans. I don't buy that for one second.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe the Dodgers are. Actually I know the Dodgers are

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<v Speaker 2>because they do it. Oh, there's a lot of owners

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<v Speaker 2>across baseball that don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me make a couple points on this first off

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think any team in baseball would have made

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<v Speaker 1>more money off of Shoho Tani than the LA Dodgers.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that a fair statement?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but other teams still would have made a ton eh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes or no?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, thank you did the In the hindsight. LA also

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<v Speaker 1>has the biggest marketing poll on the country of Japan,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think is also correct. It's not Seattle, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be Los Angeles, so I think that is

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<v Speaker 1>also correct. However, despite both of these facts, actually one

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<v Speaker 1>last fact, my dad.

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<v Speaker 2>I need to respond to something. I need to respond

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<v Speaker 2>to something. Seattle did used to have the biggest poll

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<v Speaker 2>for players from Japan. Whose fault is that that they're

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<v Speaker 2>not anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>There's probably a lot of mediocre baseball and twelve years

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<v Speaker 1>without each hero on the right or along that thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>years without prime each year on the roster. So that helped.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is an absolutely it is a fact. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a last fact before I before I get back

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<v Speaker 1>to spinning it this our way. The Dodgers do have

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<v Speaker 1>more money to spend than the Mariners. That is an

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<v Speaker 1>objective fact. Can't get around on that, right, There are

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<v Speaker 1>a sin deal makes a ton more money. They need

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<v Speaker 1>more money on ticket sales, more money on jersey sales, everything,

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<v Speaker 1>more money than the Mariners. That's absolutely true. That does

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<v Speaker 1>not mean the Mariners would not have been way more

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<v Speaker 1>in the green with Sho Heo Tani than they would

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<v Speaker 1>without all those facts. You still would have made significantly

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<v Speaker 1>more money signing him than if you didn't, because while

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<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't have been able, it sounds like the Dodgers

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<v Speaker 1>got about one hundred percent of what they were asking

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<v Speaker 1>for marketing wise and revenue generating wise, out of show

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<v Speaker 1>Heo Tani. I'm saying, I'm gonna say the Mariners would

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<v Speaker 1>not have gotten one hundred percent of what the Dodgers

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<v Speaker 1>were able to generate of show Heyo Tani revenue wise,

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<v Speaker 1>but the Mariners really didn't need to. They needed to

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<v Speaker 1>just get what sixty to seventy percent of that, which

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<v Speaker 1>is essentially like the percent of valuation the Mariners are

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<v Speaker 1>of the LA Dodgers. Fine, so once you get past

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<v Speaker 1>the current day value of show Hayes contract at what

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<v Speaker 1>four eighty whatever however much it was in current dollars

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere in the four forties to four eighties. At on

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<v Speaker 1>top of that, whatever you are in the Green and

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<v Speaker 1>would have worked out, and now because of that they

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<v Speaker 1>can go sign Wan Soto, which is crazy. If there

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<v Speaker 1>ever was incentive to spend money, that would be it.

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<v Speaker 1>The Dodgers are showing you.

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<v Speaker 2>Then why have other teams not picked up on it? Again,

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<v Speaker 2>this goes back to what I was originally saying, how

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<v Speaker 2>are fans outsmarting owners at this point? It's crazy? How much?

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<v Speaker 1>Well know why? We know why because you can make

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<v Speaker 1>money while not spending money too.

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<v Speaker 2>I really hope to get an owner of a team

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<v Speaker 2>on this podcast at some point. Maybe at some point

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<v Speaker 2>we will, because there's so many questions I have, including

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<v Speaker 2>why owners choose to own a baseball team once their

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<v Speaker 2>career is setting done. And I know what somebody you

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<v Speaker 2>are gonna say, money, They make a bunch of money. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I know that. I know that's why they get into it.

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<v Speaker 2>But guess what, there's still a lot of things you

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<v Speaker 2>could do post career when you're already a billionaire to

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<v Speaker 2>keep making you more money. That isn't owning a team.

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<v Speaker 2>Aka is something that's supposed to be a public service. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>the A's could have netted significant money on sho Heo Tani.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody could have everybody, but the Dodgers are one of

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<v Speaker 2>the few organizations out there smart enough to put that

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<v Speaker 2>into action.

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<v Speaker 1>Shout out to them. Yeah, setting a great example for

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<v Speaker 1>everyone else, and everyone should fallo in Heye. If Juan

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<v Speaker 1>Soto ends up deciding on the Dodgers, good for them.

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<v Speaker 1>I won't have a problem with it. I see a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people that would have a problem with it.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't they deserve it.

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<v Speaker 2>I would laugh. It would be completely the fault of

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<v Speaker 2>the other owners across the league that refuse to comply

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<v Speaker 2>with this idea that spending money makes you money. Spending

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<v Speaker 2>money equates to winning. You don't have to spend like

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Cohen, but spend smartly. Sad, Let's get.

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<v Speaker 1>To this other note from that ed's been circling around baseball.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw this today too. I couldn't I really couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>believe this when I read it. This relates a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more to the Mariners since this player, I think

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<v Speaker 1>we assumed, would instead of being almost zero percent with

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<v Speaker 1>one so to be closer to one percent. And that

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<v Speaker 1>was Alex Bregman. Because, as we've both highlighted here on

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast, the available third baseman around the league right

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<v Speaker 1>now is slim. It's Alex Bregman and Alec Bohm. Bregman's

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<v Speaker 1>the free agent, the one that you only need money

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<v Speaker 1>to sign. It came out today. Ken Rosenthal reported that

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<v Speaker 1>he was suspecting Alex Bregman and Scott Boris were aiming

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<v Speaker 1>higher than most of the projections. How much was Alex

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<v Speaker 1>Bregman asking for? Lyle? Do you think? How much do

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<v Speaker 1>you think Alex Bregman and Scott Boris were asking for?

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<v Speaker 1>In Ken Rosenthal's report.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want me to play dumb to this?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, you could tell the people.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Alex Bregman and his buddy slash agent Scott Boris

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<v Speaker 2>are asking for eleven years and three hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Mariners will never give out that contract. Just to start,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even think that's a good contract for Alex Bregman.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not that good of an offensive player to give

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of deal too. So the comp for that

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<v Speaker 1>deal was Many Machado's deal after he opted out, which

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<v Speaker 1>was eleven for three point fifty last off season. Alex

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<v Speaker 1>Bregman's not Maney Machado. I hope, I hope him and

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<v Speaker 1>Scott Boris realized that, now, can I let me spin

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<v Speaker 1>this into a positive for the Mariners. Scott Boris was

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<v Speaker 1>puffing his chest last offseason trying to get his guys

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<v Speaker 1>these insane deals, and little did they know that nobody

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<v Speaker 1>was willing to pay that absurd price for those free

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<v Speaker 1>agents going into this past season. So what happened. Matt

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<v Speaker 1>Chapman had to sign a small deal, so did Blake Snell,

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<v Speaker 1>so did Jordan Montgomery, And what do you know? Those

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<v Speaker 1>players were available at the end of the off season.

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<v Speaker 1>The Mariners could have chose to sign up they wanted to,

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<v Speaker 1>decided ultimately not to. Now what if the same happens

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<v Speaker 1>for Alex Bregman this offseason and he has to sign

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<v Speaker 1>a short contract.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmmm, I'd be interested sign him for it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the same storyline as last off season. It

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<v Speaker 1>was the Mariners had Rojas and Luis Arius on the roster,

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Chapman was still available, and they said, no, we're good.

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<v Speaker 1>But at this point, if they have Josh Rojas and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know Dylan Moore on the roster looking at

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<v Speaker 1>third and Alex Bregman is available for a two year contract,

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<v Speaker 1>I would it not you can't make the same mistake twice.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Even have to be a two year deal. It could

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<v Speaker 2>be a one deal that might be enough to bridge

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<v Speaker 2>the gap to Colt Emerson if he's going to play third. Eventually.

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<v Speaker 2>You got Alex Bregman in Seattle in twenty twenty five. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and guess what. You know what Matt Chapman did signed

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<v Speaker 2>a big extension because he played so well in San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 2>They gave him the money and then he actually signed

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<v Speaker 2>as a Scott Boris client and extension before free agency. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I will say that is probably where Chapman wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>play and probably why he was incentivized to sign that

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<v Speaker 2>extension early. But I'll tell you what, Scott Boris fumbles

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<v Speaker 2>the bag again on all of his clients. He may

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<v Speaker 2>lose half his client tell this offseason, we saw how

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<v Speaker 2>bad it got. Last winner. Jordan Montgomery literally came out

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<v Speaker 2>to the public this year and he's like, yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Morris messed up my negotiations pretty bad, right out to

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<v Speaker 2>the entire media just thrown him under the bus. And

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<v Speaker 2>obviously Jordan Montgomery no longer has Scott Boris as his agent.

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<v Speaker 2>But Scott Boris is just one of those people that

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<v Speaker 2>is so closed minded and so sure that he's right

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<v Speaker 2>all the time that he probably thinks last offseason with

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<v Speaker 2>some blip on the radar that will never happen again.

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<v Speaker 2>Where If he does this twice, people aren't gonna trust

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<v Speaker 2>him anymore. Fool me one, Shame on you. Fool me twice,

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<v Speaker 2>Shame on me. People are not gonna trust Scott Boris

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<v Speaker 2>anymore if he blows this again.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh what is this? I think I have a text

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<v Speaker 1>from Scott Boris giving us some more information on this subject.

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<v Speaker 1>I was curious, so I reached out to him. Spekel.

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<v Speaker 1>If I don't actually have Scott Boris's number, one would

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<v Speaker 1>be pretty cool, he says. Alex Bregman is now asking

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<v Speaker 1>for fifteen for four fifty so teams. That's what he's

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<v Speaker 1>asking for. And when you're not gonna give him that contract,

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<v Speaker 1>he can come to Seattle on a one year. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>give him the av let's say forty five million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>for one year.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure you know what you know what we can do.

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<v Speaker 2>We can ask Scott Boris as a bullpen banner question

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<v Speaker 2>at the winter meetings. Drop your baseball take Scott Boris.

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<v Speaker 2>See what he's got to say. See if he's so

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<v Speaker 2>sure he's right this winner.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think you'd say.

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<v Speaker 2>Use some stupid play on a words about Alex Bragman

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<v Speaker 2>or somebody about Uh, what's he gonna say? My A

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<v Speaker 2>B doesn't run ct ESPN and he deserves the money.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. That's good. That was a good coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a good, uh good epiphany there on the fly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Scott Boris is always filled with these stupid quotes.

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<v Speaker 2>I went on a ran about it last offseason. He's

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<v Speaker 2>already put some out this winter about some of these

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<v Speaker 2>different free agents. Like what did you say last year

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<v Speaker 2>about about Jung Hoolee Is it's like there's there's some

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<v Speaker 2>real K pop coming to coming to America about Jung

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<v Speaker 2>Hoolee and the.

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<v Speaker 1>Dolls one, it's like cool, I need something to fill

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<v Speaker 1>my belly.

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<v Speaker 2>So stupid, Like if we do run.

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<v Speaker 1>Into him at winter meetings, we're getting him on the mic.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know for which channel yet. Well, actually you

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<v Speaker 1>know we'll come up with both. See uh, well you

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<v Speaker 1>know what we're gonna ask him, say, scale of one

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<v Speaker 1>to ten? How's the cal Rally extension?

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<v Speaker 2>Coming. Yes, I'm sure Scott Boris would love to get

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<v Speaker 2>on the mic and just be as transparent as humanly possible.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, okay, just tell me, tell me over on. No,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna do. Here's what we're gonna do. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna give him a number. I'm gonna say, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>over under the total amount the Mirrors have offered on

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<v Speaker 1>a on a cow Raley extension, uh thirty two million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>So let us say this. We will ask Scott bors

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<v Speaker 2>if we run into him, will he say yes, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I put the odds lower. We will ask if we

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<v Speaker 2>run into.

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<v Speaker 1>Him, Yeah, he's usually got a posse around him. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's right. It's a it's a little tricky, but there's

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<v Speaker 1>never any harm in trying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, let's take a minute before we talk

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<v Speaker 2>to foolish baseball. We're gonna talk to you guys about

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<v Speaker 2>our friends over at Pagatcha's Pub. Eighty five. Football season

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<v Speaker 2>in full swing. You guys know that that's getting to

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<v Speaker 2>the good point of the football season. Two college football

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<v Speaker 2>playoff fields getting interesting games are getting real important in

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<v Speaker 2>the NFL. College basketball started, there's hockey going on cracking.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just on a winning streak till the other night.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a ton of sports going on. You want to

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<v Speaker 2>watch the games, your friends head over there. There's awesome food,

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<v Speaker 2>there's games, and if you go during happy hour, there

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<v Speaker 2>are deals from two to six pm on Monday through

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<v Speaker 2>Friday with drinks that feature three and four dollars options.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are amazing deals and all of that again, sports games, food,

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<v Speaker 2>time with your friends, awesome drinks, all of that over

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<v Speaker 2>at Pigatcha's Pub eighty five in Kirkland.

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<v Speaker 1>I had really been looking forward to this Foolish Baseball

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<v Speaker 1>interview for a while. I'm really glad he's able to

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<v Speaker 1>have some time to jump on here with us. I

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<v Speaker 1>recommend everybody, if you're not familiar with his YouTube channel

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<v Speaker 1>and you even think of yourself as five percent of

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<v Speaker 1>a baseball geek, I would go check out his channel,

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<v Speaker 1>Foolish Baseball and go watch some of his baseball YouTube videos.

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<v Speaker 1>They are, you know, these fifteen minute baseball video essays

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<v Speaker 1>on some of the more niche and random baseball topics

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<v Speaker 1>out there. They're masterfully done. His goal essentially is to

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<v Speaker 1>make more advanced stats. They'll usually jostle around with what

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<v Speaker 1>he uses, but he will make some of these more

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<v Speaker 1>advanced stats digestible for just the casual viewer who was

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<v Speaker 1>not as familiar with those. You could have no idea

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<v Speaker 1>what some of these things mean, but you could understand

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<v Speaker 1>baseball and you listen to him explain it in these videos.

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<v Speaker 1>He does a really good job explaining it, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think it makes it a lot more digestible for people

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<v Speaker 1>very smart baseball mind. He's branched out into a number

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<v Speaker 1>of different things. He now has a second channel that

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<v Speaker 1>he runs as well, where he does some other topics.

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<v Speaker 1>But YouTube's this whole time thing, and he does a

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<v Speaker 1>fantastic job on it, and he really does know baseball.

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<v Speaker 2>He's one of the biggest baseball YouTubers on the planet.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just a fact, and we won't sugarcoat it. We

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<v Speaker 2>nerded out in this interview with them, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>really fun because Bailey, TJ and I think we're baseball nerds,

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<v Speaker 2>and you guys probably think we're baseball nerds. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if we hold a candle to Bailey. Unfortunately, this dude,

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<v Speaker 2>this dude goes all out and it's a big part

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<v Speaker 2>of the reason we really wanted to have him on.

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<v Speaker 2>He loves the Mariner's rotation, so we talked plenty with

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<v Speaker 2>plenty about that with him, and yeah, super cool interview.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you guys enjoy it because this is one

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<v Speaker 2>that we've been looking forward to for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get you now to that interview with Foolish Baseball.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we got Bailey Freeman on with us. You

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<v Speaker 1>might know him better as Foolish Baseball. The creator of

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<v Speaker 1>Baseball Bits on YouTube also has a secondary channel, Foolish

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<v Speaker 1>Bailey provide some of really the best baseball content in

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<v Speaker 1>the YouTube space. Bailey, thanks so much for taking some

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<v Speaker 1>time to join us. And I wanted to start in

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<v Speaker 1>an area that I know you don't take suggestions on

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<v Speaker 1>your Baseball Bits YouTube video. So instead of giving you

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<v Speaker 1>a suggestion, I'm gonna plan a thought in your head

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<v Speaker 1>that might come back to you in six months, ten years, whenever,

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<v Speaker 1>whenever it comes around, because I think a story like

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<v Speaker 1>this could be told for your videos are pretty timeless.

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<v Speaker 1>So think of this like hypothetical team that played in

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<v Speaker 1>this really weird run environment for an entire season. It

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<v Speaker 1>was just like outlier bad. They in turn then had

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<v Speaker 1>this insane starting rotation, that it was one of, if

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<v Speaker 1>not the best, in baseball, their offense somehow finished the

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<v Speaker 1>league top twelve across all of baseball and WRC plus,

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<v Speaker 1>and somehow still miss the playoffs. I mean, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like that would be a pretty fun story to tell.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and again, this is a hypothetical situation, right, this

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<v Speaker 3>is something that actually happened. I mean that sounds impossible.

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<v Speaker 3>That'd be Oh if I were a fan of such

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<v Speaker 3>a team that is such a thing, Oh, I would

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<v Speaker 3>be going crazy. But yeah, I mean, if such a

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<v Speaker 3>thing were to eventually happen one major League baseball season,

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<v Speaker 3>it might be worth taking the statistical deep dive into.

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<v Speaker 1>Because you've done videos on teams that are you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're weird teams. The one that comes to mind

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<v Speaker 1>if for our listeners who aren't totally familiar with your

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube channel, just to like the sort of specific nature

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<v Speaker 1>you go into with some of the these baseball bits

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube video baseball essays about literally anything major League Baseball related.

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<v Speaker 1>You talked about a season like the twenty twenty Mets, like,

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<v Speaker 1>would the standard fan know who the twenty twenty Mets are?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably not? But then you point out all these things.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, huh, well, the Merrors are kind of similar

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<v Speaker 1>this year in a different way.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I wonder if there's maybe a team like

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<v Speaker 3>that just about every year, because last year is definitely

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<v Speaker 3>the Padres, you know, similar issues with regards to having

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<v Speaker 3>some like good individual performances, but it's just not adding

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<v Speaker 3>up to team wins in a necessary way. You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Sequencing with the offense is such a big issue. That's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of the funny thing about baseball, right is imagine

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<v Speaker 3>you had this projection system right that could predict the

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<v Speaker 3>average on base and slug for every single player on

0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:51.520
<v Speaker 3>a team. It still wouldn't be able to predict how

0:23:51.560 --> 0:23:53.919
<v Speaker 3>many runs they would score because of how that offense

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<v Speaker 3>is sequenced or not. You know, so just that's just ball.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was looking at George Kirby speaking of the

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<v Speaker 3>run environment. Was just looking at George Kirby three five,

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<v Speaker 3>three e er what oh four e R a plus

0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:08.719
<v Speaker 3>like that, Like that's kind of crazy, you know, like

0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:12.520
<v Speaker 3>era looks great. E R plus makes them look a

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<v Speaker 3>little above average.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the disparity of some of these guys at

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<v Speaker 1>home on the road is something I don't think I've

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen before. I low and I've been spending a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of time this year trying to understand why T

0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:26.919
<v Speaker 1>Mobile Park is the way it is. It's always been

0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:29.640
<v Speaker 1>a good pitchers park, but this year, for some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>took this insane step towards like being the opposite of

0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:39.760
<v Speaker 1>course field people people teams can't score. Opposing pitchers pitch

0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:43.720
<v Speaker 1>in that park. Maritor's pitchers pitch in that park. H Like,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you look at that? Like when you try

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<v Speaker 1>and evaluate players that you know pitch on the Mariners.

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<v Speaker 3>When you see that, it's really hard. There's kind of

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<v Speaker 3>an analogous situation around the league that's interesting this year.

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<v Speaker 3>I think in in Cleveland they removed some stands or

0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:03.840
<v Speaker 3>something like that, and then they thought it created maybe

0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:06.280
<v Speaker 3>like some sort of jet stream out to right field.

0:25:06.280 --> 0:25:08.960
<v Speaker 3>And so obviously the team hit really well this year,

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<v Speaker 3>and so it's it's interesting how like subtle tweaks even

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<v Speaker 3>to a ballpark. I don't know if there were any

0:25:14.640 --> 0:25:17.000
<v Speaker 3>at T Mobile this year like that, but even subtle

0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:19.400
<v Speaker 3>tweaks to a ballpark can really affect that run environment

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<v Speaker 3>in meaningful ways. You know. I think it's there's not

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<v Speaker 3>really a one size fits all approach I think to

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<v Speaker 3>assessing a player based on park factors. I think some

0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:32.520
<v Speaker 3>players are naturally gonna find, you know, some ballparks advantageous

0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:35.520
<v Speaker 3>and some aren't. So I just think the best advice

0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:36.879
<v Speaker 3>I could give is to try to come up with

0:25:36.920 --> 0:25:40.720
<v Speaker 3>more of a bespoke type analysis if someone is playing

0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:43.880
<v Speaker 3>in a ballpark that deviates far enough from the normal

0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:46.720
<v Speaker 3>run environment and that goes, you know, with heavy offense

0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:48.280
<v Speaker 3>and not a lot of offense.

0:25:49.600 --> 0:25:52.040
<v Speaker 2>Taoscar Hernandez talked about this this year, and maybe you've

0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:54.560
<v Speaker 2>followed this story. I wouldn't should certainly wouldn't be shocked

0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:58.760
<v Speaker 2>if you have. But he said the reason he felt

0:25:58.800 --> 0:26:01.240
<v Speaker 2>like he struggled in c Now, this is not something

0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:03.359
<v Speaker 2>they changed this year. It's been this way forever. He

0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:05.680
<v Speaker 2>just brought it to light during All Star Week this year.

0:26:05.720 --> 0:26:08.600
<v Speaker 2>He said, bat it does I slanted. I could not

0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:10.920
<v Speaker 2>hit the ball inside that ballpark because it was I

0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:13.720
<v Speaker 2>felt like the mound was slanted. I felt like everything

0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:15.399
<v Speaker 2>was coming at me from an angle. It just I

0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:18.600
<v Speaker 2>just couldn't hit. Do you think all it would be

0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:20.119
<v Speaker 2>weird that all of a sudden, that comes to light

0:26:20.240 --> 0:26:22.040
<v Speaker 2>so much this year that now all of a sudden

0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:25.560
<v Speaker 2>guys can't hit. But maybe again, maybe I'm throwing a

0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:27.920
<v Speaker 2>curveball at you. But if I am, do you think

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<v Speaker 2>it played a factor?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I definitely think it can. I do agree with

0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:33.800
<v Speaker 3>your assessment, which is, you know, like that batter's eye

0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:36.440
<v Speaker 3>has been there, right, so you know, I think maybe

0:26:36.440 --> 0:26:38.800
<v Speaker 3>if you have a year like the Mariners just had

0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:41.160
<v Speaker 3>where you you know, couldn't score enough runs, then maybe

0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:44.600
<v Speaker 3>you do start to blame those things around you. You know,

0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:46.439
<v Speaker 3>you say, hey, these are some pretty good players on

0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:48.919
<v Speaker 3>the roster right here. You know, we've made the playoffs,

0:26:48.960 --> 0:26:50.800
<v Speaker 3>you know a couple of years ago. Why isn't it

0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:52.959
<v Speaker 3>happening for us now? But yeah, I mean I remember

0:26:53.760 --> 0:26:57.639
<v Speaker 3>batters I discussions where a thing with Willia Damas in Tampa.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, he had crazy home roads splits all his

0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 3>time in Tampa, and then he gets traded to Milwaukee

0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:05.800
<v Speaker 3>and all of a sudden, he's this really consistent hitter.

0:27:05.800 --> 0:27:07.439
<v Speaker 3>And of course now he's coming off this great contract

0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:10.240
<v Speaker 3>here and hitting free agency. So you know, depending on

0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:13.840
<v Speaker 3>who you are, like, yeah, you can find batter's eye

0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:15.280
<v Speaker 3>that works for you and batter's eye that doesn't, and

0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:17.480
<v Speaker 3>that can affect your your offensive output for sure. Like

0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:18.920
<v Speaker 3>at that I believe is a thesis.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the way TJ started this question or started

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<v Speaker 2>this conversation, I wanted to get your thoughts on something, Bailey,

0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:29.119
<v Speaker 2>because I'm having some trust issues all of a sudden

0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:31.600
<v Speaker 2>with Team WRC plus. And you can tell me how

0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:33.960
<v Speaker 2>off I am on this or not. Because we've sat

0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:36.360
<v Speaker 2>here the last two years. Mariner's offense in twenty three

0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:39.280
<v Speaker 2>ranked sixth by WRC plus and twenty twenty four they

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<v Speaker 2>ranked twelve, And like TJ said, they have this great rotation,

0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:46.639
<v Speaker 2>top half offense, awful hitting environment, it's still missed the playoffs.

0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:50.320
<v Speaker 2>Am I crazy for thinking there's something a little bit

0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:53.000
<v Speaker 2>flawed about Team WRC plus because we've we sit here

0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:54.600
<v Speaker 2>and watched this team every night, and I sit here

0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:57.600
<v Speaker 2>and say, there's no way this was a top twelve

0:27:57.720 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 2>offense in twenty four. How were they top twelve?

0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:04.360
<v Speaker 3>Well, that's the thing. WRC plus is park adjusted, right, So,

0:28:04.640 --> 0:28:06.400
<v Speaker 3>and we've talked about this already. It was a low

0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:11.040
<v Speaker 3>offensive environment, and so theoretically the Mariners wouldn't need to

0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:13.800
<v Speaker 3>actually hit all that well to theoretically have an above

0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:17.040
<v Speaker 3>average team WRC plus. If that makes sense. So here's

0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:18.760
<v Speaker 3>the way I put it. You know, WRC plus, the

0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:22.760
<v Speaker 3>basis of that is wOBA. wOBA is you know, scaled

0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:25.720
<v Speaker 3>on base percentage. Usually, you know, the league average is

0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:27.200
<v Speaker 3>going to be about whatever the league average on base

0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:30.000
<v Speaker 3>percentage is. Let's say it's three fifteen or something like that.

0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:33.359
<v Speaker 3>This year, well, the Mariners wOBA this year was three

0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:36.600
<v Speaker 3>h three. They were twenty first in wOBA, which is

0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:40.080
<v Speaker 3>the basis for this WRC plus. So I think it's

0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:43.640
<v Speaker 3>just a matter of you know, acknowledging, Hey, when the

0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:46.920
<v Speaker 3>run environment is down, you know, you could have an

0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:50.120
<v Speaker 3>above average WRC plus and still not score a lot

0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:52.840
<v Speaker 3>of runs because of the ballpark situation, because they were

0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:55.320
<v Speaker 3>guess what, twenty first and runs scored this year. So

0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:57.320
<v Speaker 3>that in that sense it makes perfect sense.

0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:01.800
<v Speaker 1>Is is the re So the reasoning like that you

0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:03.840
<v Speaker 1>just gave there, and we're we talk about the the

0:29:03.880 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 1>flaws of some of these advanced stats. How do you

0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:09.200
<v Speaker 1>how do you sort of explain to people who are

0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:13.800
<v Speaker 1>are skeptical of these advanced stats that listen, like these

0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:17.280
<v Speaker 1>stats are like these stats have their role, but they're

0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:19.880
<v Speaker 1>also like they're also imperfect. They're not going to give

0:29:19.920 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 1>you the total answer. When I think when the idea

0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:25.360
<v Speaker 1>of w RC plus was first broached to me, like

0:29:25.440 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 1>it's the concept of it sounds great, but here we

0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:33.720
<v Speaker 1>are sitting it's like, like the problem with this stat is, yes,

0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:36.560
<v Speaker 1>it will park adjust like the runs created that you

0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:39.680
<v Speaker 1>can get, but the mariners on the scoreboard don't get

0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:42.560
<v Speaker 1>park adjusted runs. They get real runs. And that's where

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:44.960
<v Speaker 1>that's sort of like the sort of this this chasm

0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:49.000
<v Speaker 1>is so like does that does that like explanation there?

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<v Speaker 1>Like that I that I just rambled off makes sense?

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<v Speaker 3>No, it does make sense. And I think, you know,

0:29:55.000 --> 0:29:57.880
<v Speaker 3>the number one thing, And I say, this is someone

0:29:57.960 --> 0:30:03.080
<v Speaker 3>who creates sabermetric type content for an audience that might

0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:05.160
<v Speaker 3>not otherwise encounter it. You know, it's not like I'm

0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:08.200
<v Speaker 3>a fan Grafts writer or something like that. Like I

0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:11.320
<v Speaker 3>brought kind of that attitude to YouTube, and so a

0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:14.400
<v Speaker 3>lot of people when they're learning about various sabermetric type

0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:17.360
<v Speaker 3>stats are learning it. For me, they're learning it for

0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:20.200
<v Speaker 3>the first time. And I do think when that's the case,

0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:23.880
<v Speaker 3>you have a responsibility to talk about the shortcomings of

0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:26.200
<v Speaker 3>certain stats. You know, I don't don't I don't speak

0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:30.200
<v Speaker 3>you know, too declaratively about some stats. I try to

0:30:30.440 --> 0:30:33.400
<v Speaker 3>address their their weaknesses and their strengths. For example, if

0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:38.640
<v Speaker 3>I were discussing FIP, right fielding, independent pitching, I would say, hey,

0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 3>you know, an individual picture doesn't have as much contact

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:47.080
<v Speaker 3>or as much excuse me, control over what happens to

0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:49.400
<v Speaker 3>their batted balls as a hitter does, but they still

0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:52.400
<v Speaker 3>have some control. There are ground ball pitchers for a reason.

0:30:52.520 --> 0:30:56.800
<v Speaker 3>For example, there are pictures who consistently allow low average

0:30:56.840 --> 0:30:59.360
<v Speaker 3>exit velocities for a reason. So maybe you know, just

0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:01.760
<v Speaker 3>viewing everything through the lens of the three true outcomes

0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:04.640
<v Speaker 3>isn't always great if you're you know, an outlier with

0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 3>regards to what happens to your balls in play. So

0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:10.120
<v Speaker 3>I think that's that is probably the number one responsibility

0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:12.320
<v Speaker 3>of someone who has to talk about these stats on

0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:15.520
<v Speaker 3>a daily basis is you have to acknowledge their shortcomings.

0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:18.760
<v Speaker 3>And you can't say that these are you know, irrefutable truths,

0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:22.320
<v Speaker 3>These are just you know that it's just information. That's

0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:24.400
<v Speaker 3>one piece of vocabulary I always say is that you know,

0:31:24.600 --> 0:31:26.680
<v Speaker 3>you can complain about analytics, but if you replace the

0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:31.120
<v Speaker 3>word analytics with information, you know, where does that get you? Right?

0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:34.520
<v Speaker 2>I've always said that about analytics. If the people that

0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 2>don't understand it, I feel like, use it as such

0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:39.560
<v Speaker 2>a crutch word. It's their way of trying to get

0:31:39.600 --> 0:31:41.880
<v Speaker 2>out of having to understand it because they don't want

0:31:41.920 --> 0:31:43.680
<v Speaker 2>to understand it, and they use it as a crutch word.

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:45.760
<v Speaker 2>You hear it on football broadcasts all the time. Oh well,

0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:48.000
<v Speaker 2>the analytics said to go for it here as if

0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:50.760
<v Speaker 2>they're using it in a negative connotation. But exactly to

0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:54.120
<v Speaker 2>your point, it just paints a further picture of who

0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:56.640
<v Speaker 2>somebody is. There are still people out there, believe it

0:31:56.760 --> 0:31:59.520
<v Speaker 2>or not, that complain about cal Rowley's batting average when

0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:03.120
<v Speaker 2>you factor in everything else he does, Like is it is?

0:32:03.120 --> 0:32:04.719
<v Speaker 2>It kind of crazy We're still in twenty twenty four

0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:06.200
<v Speaker 2>and people complain about analytics.

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:10.760
<v Speaker 3>It is, But I don't blame him to some extent.

0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:14.880
<v Speaker 3>It's it's because the battle for analytics is already won,

0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:17.600
<v Speaker 3>you know, Like that's those are the that's the basis

0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:21.520
<v Speaker 3>of how front offices and teams conduct themselves these days.

0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:24.680
<v Speaker 3>So maybe to the average fan watching at home, and

0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:28.120
<v Speaker 3>you know, they don't like it when the manager yangst

0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:31.080
<v Speaker 3>their favorite pitcher too early in the game, or you

0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:34.680
<v Speaker 3>know they don't like it when you know, a lefty

0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:40.360
<v Speaker 3>masher gets pinch hit against a lefty you know, I think,

0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:42.960
<v Speaker 3>I think though, that the battle is ultimately won. So

0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:46.680
<v Speaker 3>it's almost it's almost futile, right. You have to embrace it.

0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:48.760
<v Speaker 3>You have to learn about it, else you're probably just

0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:50.160
<v Speaker 3>gonna be frustrated as a fan.

0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Why if you were to make your pitch to someone

0:32:54.120 --> 0:32:57.040
<v Speaker 1>who's not already in on sort of the content you

0:32:57.080 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 1>make and you know the message and the stats you

0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:01.440
<v Speaker 1>try to bring out to people, like, what is your

0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:03.560
<v Speaker 1>pitch of why these things are important?

0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:08.760
<v Speaker 3>Because again, your your favorite team has ran on those concepts.

0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:12.200
<v Speaker 3>You know, It's it's not about loving it necessarily, it's

0:33:12.200 --> 0:33:14.920
<v Speaker 3>about understanding it. And I think a big thing and

0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:17.800
<v Speaker 3>a big reason why the videos connect with people is

0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:20.040
<v Speaker 3>because even though I maybe have my own sense of

0:33:20.120 --> 0:33:23.560
<v Speaker 3>humor there, it's not that smarty you know, it's not

0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:27.520
<v Speaker 3>like that holier than now approach to sabermetric type stats.

0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:30.280
<v Speaker 3>That the name of the channel is Foolish Baseball and

0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:32.959
<v Speaker 3>it's actually I don't talk about this a lot. It's

0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:36.080
<v Speaker 3>a play on the Keith Law book Smart Baseball and

0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:38.320
<v Speaker 3>I and I just wanted to do a brand of

0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:42.240
<v Speaker 3>talking about these baseball, say sabermetric concepts that aren't necessarily

0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:45.480
<v Speaker 3>like patting myself on the bag about how smart I

0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 3>am and how smart I'm doing baseball. So you know,

0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:51.320
<v Speaker 3>if one thing I would pitched it is is you

0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:55.240
<v Speaker 3>don't even have to love it. It's just probably enhances

0:33:55.280 --> 0:33:58.680
<v Speaker 3>the fan experience to have some degree of understanding as

0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:04.280
<v Speaker 3>to why you're manager is making this decision in this moment.

0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:08.000
<v Speaker 1>I want to get to a couple of Mariners specific

0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:09.560
<v Speaker 1>things with you before we talk a little bit more

0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:12.399
<v Speaker 1>about your channel, just as a general overview. When you

0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:15.719
<v Speaker 1>see this Mariner's team, the past Marrior team, let's say,

0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:17.480
<v Speaker 1>like the past three because I think that's been the

0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:20.759
<v Speaker 1>real core of what this current Mariners regime is. What

0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:23.880
<v Speaker 1>do you see when you look at him?

0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:27.600
<v Speaker 3>The I think it starts at the top with the ownership.

0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:31.800
<v Speaker 3>You know, the was it the vice president or whoever

0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:33.880
<v Speaker 3>who got in trouble when he was on the zoom

0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:36.799
<v Speaker 3>with the Rojerty club. Yeah, he kind of he did

0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:38.920
<v Speaker 3>what you're not supposed to do when you're when you're

0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:41.560
<v Speaker 3>in an ownership group. And that's you said the quiet

0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:44.320
<v Speaker 3>part out loud, right, Uh, he was bragging to his buddies,

0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:47.600
<v Speaker 3>but uh what what he was ultimately saying is not

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:50.200
<v Speaker 3>that different to how a lot of people in the

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:52.800
<v Speaker 3>administration of these clubs feel about you know, player payroll,

0:34:52.840 --> 0:34:55.040
<v Speaker 3>for example. And the problem is, I think when they've

0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:57.319
<v Speaker 3>gone out and spent or gone out and tried to

0:34:57.360 --> 0:34:59.839
<v Speaker 3>get you know, bats, it hasn't always worked. Yeah, we've

0:34:59.840 --> 0:35:03.760
<v Speaker 3>talked about ta Oscar Mitch Garver was a big signing

0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 3>for them that didn't really seem to work out this year.

0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:09.239
<v Speaker 3>And you know, a couple of years ago, maybe two

0:35:09.239 --> 0:35:12.239
<v Speaker 3>three years ago, felt really good about this rebuild. And

0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:14.040
<v Speaker 3>actually one reason why I felt like it was good

0:35:14.080 --> 0:35:17.920
<v Speaker 3>is because a lot of rebuilds and they're probably all

0:35:18.000 --> 0:35:20.680
<v Speaker 3>like this to be realistic, but you need to bring

0:35:20.680 --> 0:35:23.000
<v Speaker 3>in supplementary talent. You may have a stacked farm system,

0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:25.400
<v Speaker 3>but that stack farm system isn't going to get you there.

0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:28.520
<v Speaker 3>You need to acquire the right mix of veteran type

0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:32.200
<v Speaker 3>players and you know, in order to push yourself over

0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:34.600
<v Speaker 3>the top and to become a consistent playoff team. Right,

0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:37.600
<v Speaker 3>Cubs did it by signing a bunch of pitching John

0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:41.520
<v Speaker 3>Lester guys like that. You know, the Orioles this year

0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:44.520
<v Speaker 3>went out grabbed Corbyn Burns, you know, my braves of

0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:47.600
<v Speaker 3>you know, a lot of veteran pitching, you know, pushed

0:35:47.600 --> 0:35:50.200
<v Speaker 3>them over in the top in like twenty twenty one. So,

0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:54.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, the Mariners haven't necessarily succeeded in that. They've

0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:58.359
<v Speaker 3>succeeded with regards to the player development side of things.

0:35:58.440 --> 0:36:02.760
<v Speaker 3>I mean, Julio is the star. The rotation is almost

0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:07.239
<v Speaker 3>entirely homegrown, with the exception of Castillo. So yeah, I

0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:10.799
<v Speaker 3>just think you're looking for those supplementary pieces right now,

0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:14.239
<v Speaker 3>and they're able to develop it. On the pitching side,

0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:16.080
<v Speaker 3>I think they've done so well with a lot of

0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:20.400
<v Speaker 3>like waiver claims and guys that were defade like in

0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:23.239
<v Speaker 3>their bullpen year after year. It feels like, I think,

0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:27.200
<v Speaker 3>maybe even earlier in the Depoto administration, that success with

0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:30.680
<v Speaker 3>guys like you know, like Austin Nola, Dylan Moore, like

0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:34.799
<v Speaker 3>those kind of guys almost but it's like, you know

0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:39.000
<v Speaker 3>that that seems to be the difficulty at the moment.

0:36:39.040 --> 0:36:40.800
<v Speaker 3>That's at least my assessment of the situation.

0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:45.080
<v Speaker 2>So on that note, if it were up to you,

0:36:45.400 --> 0:36:48.759
<v Speaker 2>who's some of that supplementary talent the Mariners could bring

0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:50.920
<v Speaker 2>in this winner that would be a perfect fit that

0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:52.480
<v Speaker 2>could help get this team over the top.

0:36:54.080 --> 0:36:57.880
<v Speaker 3>I love Willia Damas. You know, Crawford is there. I

0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:01.640
<v Speaker 3>understand that he is expressed that he would be willing

0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 3>to play other positions in the infield. I don't necessarily

0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:06.600
<v Speaker 3>feel like he should have to do that. He's a

0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:08.680
<v Speaker 3>very good defensive shortstop. Maybe they could find a better

0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:12.000
<v Speaker 3>fit for Crawford somewhere else in the infield. But yeah,

0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 3>that's the guy that I look at, you know, I

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:18.759
<v Speaker 3>I yeah, they just need that. And it's it's I

0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:20.759
<v Speaker 3>wish it could be as simple as saying, oh, they

0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:22.200
<v Speaker 3>need to sign the right bats, they need to sign

0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:23.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, a guy is gonna, you know, be a

0:37:23.840 --> 0:37:26.120
<v Speaker 3>good offensive force for them. Well, you know, they they

0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:28.480
<v Speaker 3>try that year after year. But I mean, I think

0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:30.239
<v Speaker 3>they've just got to keep plugging away at it, to

0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:31.880
<v Speaker 3>be honest with you, because they're they're on the cusp

0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:34.080
<v Speaker 3>of being a pretty consistent playoff team and yet they

0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:36.400
<v Speaker 3>just haven't been able to make it over that hump.

0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:38.760
<v Speaker 3>And and one thing is you can really see teams

0:37:38.840 --> 0:37:42.040
<v Speaker 3>stagnate at this point in the competitive cycle. I think

0:37:42.160 --> 0:37:44.600
<v Speaker 3>the Blue Jays right now, are a very good example

0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:47.640
<v Speaker 3>of a team that has stagnated despite having what was

0:37:47.880 --> 0:37:52.160
<v Speaker 3>ostensibly a pretty impressive young corps with guys like Guerrero

0:37:52.560 --> 0:37:55.720
<v Speaker 3>and Baschett and then even some really good pitching as well.

0:37:56.440 --> 0:37:58.840
<v Speaker 3>You know, a team that is on the cusp of

0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:00.680
<v Speaker 3>being that perennial playoff team and yet isn't.

0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:04.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you brought up Willia Damas because a I

0:38:04.520 --> 0:38:07.440
<v Speaker 1>think he's he is a fit for what the Mariners need. Costwise,

0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:09.560
<v Speaker 1>he's not. But in terms of the age, in terms

0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:12.080
<v Speaker 1>of the position, in terms of what the Mariners need,

0:38:12.120 --> 0:38:15.200
<v Speaker 1>he absolutely is. But I had a question when when

0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:18.600
<v Speaker 1>we're analyzing Willia Damas last week and we're trying to

0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:22.879
<v Speaker 1>historically is a good defender a shortstop, but this year

0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:25.960
<v Speaker 1>he had an abnormally bad season by defensive run saved

0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:29.920
<v Speaker 1>even though the outs above average stayed steady for the

0:38:30.000 --> 0:38:33.040
<v Speaker 1>most part. Why are there sometimes such a variance in

0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:35.280
<v Speaker 1>stats like especially defensive stats.

0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:36.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:37.960
<v Speaker 3>One thing I really looked at this year on my

0:38:38.040 --> 0:38:40.680
<v Speaker 3>channel is is I did a study of Adam Dunn's

0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:44.160
<v Speaker 3>defense just to look at an outlier defensively in the

0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:48.440
<v Speaker 3>negative sense, and defensive run saved was the metric that

0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:51.200
<v Speaker 3>had him at like negative forty three in a season,

0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:53.399
<v Speaker 3>which is one of those stats that seems so bad

0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:57.279
<v Speaker 3>it's impossible. And I remember going back and watching game film.

0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:00.600
<v Speaker 3>Defensive run saved. I think, at this point in the

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:03.799
<v Speaker 3>process is a stat I don't really look at that much.

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:06.520
<v Speaker 3>I think stat cast is probably giving you the most

0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:11.400
<v Speaker 3>accurate look. There is at least some attempt at transparency

0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:13.920
<v Speaker 3>in the stat cast fielding metric land, because at the

0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:16.839
<v Speaker 3>very least you can look up like the catch probability

0:39:16.840 --> 0:39:19.640
<v Speaker 3>of an individual play, and even if you disagree with it,

0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:23.560
<v Speaker 3>it's still there. There's so much of this info, especially

0:39:23.600 --> 0:39:25.799
<v Speaker 3>with regards to the defensive metrics, it's just like it's

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:29.520
<v Speaker 3>like a black box. You know. Baseball Info Solutions will

0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:32.080
<v Speaker 3>will sell you a DRS info if you work for

0:39:32.120 --> 0:39:34.880
<v Speaker 3>a team or a publication maybe, but otherwise it's just

0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:38.479
<v Speaker 3>like a leaderboard that you go look at and there's

0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:40.440
<v Speaker 3>just no context to it at all. And I think

0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:43.840
<v Speaker 3>one thing that causes a difference between defensive run saved

0:39:44.200 --> 0:39:46.720
<v Speaker 3>and maybe a stat like stat cast outs above average

0:39:46.800 --> 0:39:51.320
<v Speaker 3>is a context neutral versus context dependent stats. So, for example,

0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:55.320
<v Speaker 3>in defensive run saved, Bland if you make a really

0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:59.760
<v Speaker 3>bad mistake that directly, you know, affects the run probability

0:39:59.840 --> 0:40:02.359
<v Speaker 3>or you know, allows two runs to score, maybe because

0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:04.040
<v Speaker 3>you let a ball go through your legs in the

0:40:04.080 --> 0:40:07.600
<v Speaker 3>infield or something like that, Like that affects you more

0:40:07.640 --> 0:40:10.359
<v Speaker 3>negatively than it would in terms of stat cast outs

0:40:10.360 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 3>above average, because what stat cast outs above average does

0:40:13.080 --> 0:40:16.560
<v Speaker 3>is it just looks at each play and it just

0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:18.800
<v Speaker 3>looks at basically the zone where you're at. So for example,

0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:20.759
<v Speaker 3>if you're a shortstop right, it just says, Okay, a

0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:24.359
<v Speaker 3>ball that's misplayed in the shortstop zone on average leads

0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:27.560
<v Speaker 3>to this that's probably more predictive for the future if

0:40:27.560 --> 0:40:30.600
<v Speaker 3>you you know, unless you totally buy into the idea

0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:34.759
<v Speaker 3>that clutch defense is exists as a concept. I'm not

0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:36.120
<v Speaker 3>sure if I do. I just think you know, you

0:40:36.120 --> 0:40:38.000
<v Speaker 3>play good defense or you don't. You're good defender or

0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:41.320
<v Speaker 3>you aren't. So yeah, I mean, I I think you know. Again,

0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:43.640
<v Speaker 3>this is this goes back to my previous point, which

0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:46.719
<v Speaker 3>is that you know, as a someone who explains these statistics,

0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:49.239
<v Speaker 3>you have an obligation to explain their shortcomings. I mean,

0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:51.279
<v Speaker 3>the fact of the matter is the defensive metrics are

0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:54.920
<v Speaker 3>lagging far behind the offensive metrics in general. You know,

0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:56.360
<v Speaker 3>you can get a pretty good idea of what a

0:40:56.360 --> 0:40:58.200
<v Speaker 3>player is going to do for you offensively if you

0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:01.760
<v Speaker 3>look at their average on basins or they're WRC plus

0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:04.040
<v Speaker 3>or whatever, but defensively year to year, there's a lot

0:41:04.040 --> 0:41:07.480
<v Speaker 3>of inconsistency. It's because these metrics, you know, defense hasn't

0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:08.920
<v Speaker 3>been solved yet, and I think that's kind of a

0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:10.640
<v Speaker 3>good thing. I think it's a good thing that there

0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:14.200
<v Speaker 3>are elements of baseball that are really imprecise measurements for

0:41:15.239 --> 0:41:15.799
<v Speaker 3>Is that due to.

0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:19.400
<v Speaker 1>Lack of volume of just defensive opportunities as opposed to

0:41:19.440 --> 0:41:21.600
<v Speaker 1>the seven hundred at bats you'll get in a season.

0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:24.080
<v Speaker 3>It could be. I mean, there are some positions that

0:41:24.560 --> 0:41:27.200
<v Speaker 3>you know, you might on average have two or three

0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:29.000
<v Speaker 3>batted balls hit at you per game, you know, and

0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:32.399
<v Speaker 3>you might take three or four at bats. So yeah,

0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:34.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think that's definitely an element of it,

0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:37.080
<v Speaker 3>for sure. And a lot of a lot of defensive

0:41:37.120 --> 0:41:42.120
<v Speaker 3>plays are routine and a lot of defensive plays are impossible,

0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:45.440
<v Speaker 3>and there's not that many defensive plays that are in between,

0:41:45.680 --> 0:41:47.520
<v Speaker 3>even though that's where you can really tell who's a

0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:48.680
<v Speaker 3>valuable defender, and who's not.

0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:52.400
<v Speaker 2>One of many reasons we're excited to have you on

0:41:52.480 --> 0:41:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Bailey and Me in particular, is we've got somebody on

0:41:56.440 --> 0:41:59.239
<v Speaker 2>the podcast that is as big of, if not a

0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:02.160
<v Speaker 2>bigger fan of Brian Lou than I am. So you

0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:04.200
<v Speaker 2>don't need to tell me or sorry, you don't need

0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:06.360
<v Speaker 2>me to tell you why he's so good. You tweet

0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:08.480
<v Speaker 2>out your memes every time he takes the mound, and

0:42:08.800 --> 0:42:11.200
<v Speaker 2>you watch a ton of his starts. But I'll just

0:42:11.320 --> 0:42:13.439
<v Speaker 2>throw the question to you and let you go, why

0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:14.439
<v Speaker 2>do you love him so much?

0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:18.920
<v Speaker 3>Because I think it's just he's a testament to player development,

0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:23.440
<v Speaker 3>and I think specifically pitch modeling being a successful thing.

0:42:23.480 --> 0:42:25.440
<v Speaker 3>Because what's so fascinating about Brian who was He was

0:42:25.440 --> 0:42:29.120
<v Speaker 3>bad in college? He was legitimately bad in college. You

0:42:29.200 --> 0:42:30.920
<v Speaker 3>look up his college stats. It's not like he was

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:32.759
<v Speaker 3>playing like a big power five conference either. I can't

0:42:32.760 --> 0:42:34.520
<v Speaker 3>remember what school it was, but it's not you know,

0:42:35.120 --> 0:42:37.920
<v Speaker 3>cal Poly. There you go. And so what's so fascinating

0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:41.200
<v Speaker 3>about is you know, he gets drafted by the Mariners, right,

0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:42.920
<v Speaker 3>and it's like he's like, what like a fifth rounder

0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:46.520
<v Speaker 3>or something like that sixth rounder? And I was reading

0:42:46.520 --> 0:42:49.480
<v Speaker 3>the article, maybe just a couple of months ago. Someone

0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:51.600
<v Speaker 3>in the front office was like, if we did, you know,

0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:53.560
<v Speaker 3>if I had my say, I would have drafted him

0:42:53.600 --> 0:42:55.799
<v Speaker 3>first overall. Like that's crazy, right.

0:42:56.960 --> 0:42:58.680
<v Speaker 2>That was the director of pitching, So he's on the

0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:01.040
<v Speaker 2>big league stap. His name's Trent. That story was told

0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:03.520
<v Speaker 2>on the broadcast a while back. Once he said, yeah,

0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:04.960
<v Speaker 2>but it was up to me I draft Brian won

0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:08.239
<v Speaker 2>number one overall. And it's funny. I'm not saying he's

0:43:08.280 --> 0:43:10.600
<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent right, but you do look back at

0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:12.839
<v Speaker 2>some of those pictures that were drafted in twenty twenty one,

0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:15.520
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of guys that win that first round

0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:17.399
<v Speaker 2>where I'd say, yeah, I'd take Brian Wu over him,

0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:19.040
<v Speaker 2>over him, over him, et cetera.

0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:22.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and and and again it's it's it was mostly

0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:25.960
<v Speaker 3>just based on the pitch modeling. Like for him, what

0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:29.799
<v Speaker 3>makes them special is the release point. You know, it's

0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:33.000
<v Speaker 3>a very low release point. It is like Castillo. Castillo

0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:35.040
<v Speaker 3>also is is a writing with a lower release point.

0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:37.920
<v Speaker 3>But what's what's interesting is and stat cast has just

0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:40.359
<v Speaker 3>released some data on this is the is the arm

0:43:40.440 --> 0:43:43.319
<v Speaker 3>angle data. So you can talk about release point, but

0:43:43.360 --> 0:43:47.640
<v Speaker 3>The thing about you know, Castillo is it's hard to

0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:52.759
<v Speaker 3>show podcasting on video, but his elbow, if I can explain, it,

0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:55.759
<v Speaker 3>is more like horizontal to the ground. And so that's

0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:58.480
<v Speaker 3>why he's throwing, you know, like a really nasty sinker,

0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:04.319
<v Speaker 3>you know gyro, you know Giray type breaking balls too.

0:44:05.080 --> 0:44:08.320
<v Speaker 3>Wu he gets his elbow so low that his hand

0:44:08.760 --> 0:44:10.960
<v Speaker 3>is like above his elbow, and that you know, can

0:44:10.960 --> 0:44:13.440
<v Speaker 3>give him some like maybe more induced vertical break or

0:44:13.480 --> 0:44:15.280
<v Speaker 3>something like that. And so it's just it really messes

0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:17.480
<v Speaker 3>with hitters when you have a guy coming at you

0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:20.640
<v Speaker 3>from a lower release point who can really elevate that fastball.

0:44:20.680 --> 0:44:22.520
<v Speaker 3>And that's really the basis for what he does. Both

0:44:22.560 --> 0:44:25.759
<v Speaker 3>his fastballs, the four seamer and the sinker are just

0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:28.000
<v Speaker 3>downright nasty and some of the best that any starting

0:44:28.040 --> 0:44:29.000
<v Speaker 3>pitcher in the Leak throws.

0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:33.160
<v Speaker 2>What's crazy about him, too, I would say, is look

0:44:33.239 --> 0:44:35.520
<v Speaker 2>his rookie year. You saw the stuff, and you saw

0:44:35.520 --> 0:44:37.160
<v Speaker 2>how special it could be. But he had a pretty

0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:39.359
<v Speaker 2>typical year for a rookie where he had his ups

0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:41.040
<v Speaker 2>and his downs and it was the most innings he'd

0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:43.279
<v Speaker 2>ever thrown. All of a sudden, the guy comes back

0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:46.399
<v Speaker 2>in year two he doesn't walk anybody like you walk

0:44:46.480 --> 0:44:49.680
<v Speaker 2>less guys than George Kirby. So I'll throw it back

0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:52.800
<v Speaker 2>to you again, what is his ceiling? Am I crazy

0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:54.239
<v Speaker 2>to say this guy can win a cy Young?

0:44:54.719 --> 0:44:56.520
<v Speaker 3>No, I don't think you're crazy at all. I mean

0:44:58.239 --> 0:45:02.200
<v Speaker 3>he's gonna have to show a Kirby like dedication to

0:45:02.320 --> 0:45:04.880
<v Speaker 3>that efficiency and to that not walking people, because I

0:45:04.880 --> 0:45:06.880
<v Speaker 3>think that's how you get the volume necessary to win

0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:08.640
<v Speaker 3>a cy Young Award. You probably need to throw one

0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:10.800
<v Speaker 3>hundred eighty hundred and ninety innings to do that. Today's

0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:13.799
<v Speaker 3>MLB woo, of course, you know, was a little off

0:45:13.800 --> 0:45:15.719
<v Speaker 3>and on with some of the injury scares this year,

0:45:15.760 --> 0:45:17.279
<v Speaker 3>and so that might be the thing that they would

0:45:17.280 --> 0:45:18.880
<v Speaker 3>prevent him from doing so. But no, I mean I

0:45:18.880 --> 0:45:21.279
<v Speaker 3>think the ceiling is insanely high on him. It's there

0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:23.880
<v Speaker 3>in the pitch modeling. It's just about Kenny Harrison and

0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:26.120
<v Speaker 3>Kenny put together like that one Monster season.

0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Everyone does love Kirby's control, and Kirby has been just

0:45:31.520 --> 0:45:34.799
<v Speaker 1>wildly productive since debuting a couple of seasons ago. But

0:45:36.560 --> 0:45:39.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm interested to hear what you think when you say

0:45:39.200 --> 0:45:41.520
<v Speaker 1>you want to hear that see that full season dedicated

0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:44.200
<v Speaker 1>to just overly pounding the strike zone. From Brian Wu,

0:45:44.880 --> 0:45:47.080
<v Speaker 1>I feel like Kirby ran into a problem this year

0:45:47.440 --> 0:45:49.680
<v Speaker 1>where yeah, you know, he didn't walk guys, but he

0:45:49.719 --> 0:45:52.239
<v Speaker 1>almost threw the ball in the zone too much. And

0:45:52.280 --> 0:45:54.480
<v Speaker 1>it hadn't really caught up to him until this year

0:45:54.520 --> 0:45:56.000
<v Speaker 1>where he had the worst month of his career in

0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:57.880
<v Speaker 1>August and he actually give up the most hits of

0:45:57.880 --> 0:46:00.840
<v Speaker 1>any pitcher in the American League. So like, where's the

0:46:01.320 --> 0:46:04.120
<v Speaker 1>balance there for for what Kirby and Wu you know,

0:46:04.239 --> 0:46:06.239
<v Speaker 1>should be doing. Does that mean bringing the walk up

0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:09.160
<v Speaker 1>from walk right from up from three percent to five

0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:11.879
<v Speaker 1>percent and throwing x amount more out of the out

0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:12.879
<v Speaker 1>of the strike zone.

0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:17.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, it's interesting. It may be there are ways,

0:46:17.840 --> 0:46:19.799
<v Speaker 3>if you get your stuff right, you can throw the

0:46:19.800 --> 0:46:21.720
<v Speaker 3>ball out of the strike zone and still not walk anybody.

0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:23.440
<v Speaker 3>And I think one of the best examples of this,

0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:25.759
<v Speaker 3>at least in a smaller sample, was what Bieber did

0:46:25.760 --> 0:46:28.480
<v Speaker 3>in twenty twenty. And I think Bieber is someone who,

0:46:28.480 --> 0:46:31.719
<v Speaker 3>at least at least prime Bieber is compares a lot

0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:34.800
<v Speaker 3>to Kirby with that they have that same dedication right. Well,

0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:38.520
<v Speaker 3>Bieber in twenty twenty, you know, this was his you know,

0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:41.440
<v Speaker 3>short season, Cy young year. He threw the ball in

0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:44.440
<v Speaker 3>the zone like a third of the time and he

0:46:44.480 --> 0:46:47.120
<v Speaker 3>only walked. Let's see, I've got the numbers right here,

0:46:47.160 --> 0:46:49.319
<v Speaker 3>twenty one batters in seventy seven innings, and it was

0:46:49.400 --> 0:46:51.680
<v Speaker 3>just because if he threw the he was throwing the

0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:53.920
<v Speaker 3>breaking ball in the right spot and getting the chase.

0:46:54.320 --> 0:46:59.200
<v Speaker 3>I think maybe, you know, as much as I love

0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:01.760
<v Speaker 3>the efficiency, maybe you know, maybe a two waist pitch

0:47:01.960 --> 0:47:04.040
<v Speaker 3>isn't such a bad thing if if you've got a

0:47:04.040 --> 0:47:06.480
<v Speaker 3>breaking ball that can be respected. But yeah, I mean,

0:47:06.480 --> 0:47:09.239
<v Speaker 3>I generally am a proponent of pounding the zone. To

0:47:09.280 --> 0:47:11.680
<v Speaker 3>be honest with you, if you look at pictures that

0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:16.080
<v Speaker 3>pound the zone, maybe there's a survivor ship bias to

0:47:16.200 --> 0:47:18.000
<v Speaker 3>that where if you pound the zone, you probably have

0:47:18.040 --> 0:47:20.279
<v Speaker 3>an above average fastball to begin with, and so you're

0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:23.719
<v Speaker 3>gonna succeed in the zone relative to other pictures. But yeah,

0:47:23.760 --> 0:47:25.080
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think it generally, if you just look

0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:27.040
<v Speaker 3>across the league pictures that pound the zone, they tend

0:47:27.080 --> 0:47:28.799
<v Speaker 3>to do well. They tend to get through a lot

0:47:28.800 --> 0:47:30.200
<v Speaker 3>of innings, and I think there's a lot of value

0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:33.200
<v Speaker 3>in that. Now, this might be a video idea for

0:47:33.239 --> 0:47:35.719
<v Speaker 3>your for your second channel. I would imagine at some

0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:38.759
<v Speaker 3>point you'll do something about some of the like the

0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:42.680
<v Speaker 3>wonkiest pitches in baseball. Uh have you seen Bryce Miller

0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:46.560
<v Speaker 3>splitter and like what it does? Yes, a brand news

0:47:46.560 --> 0:47:48.600
<v Speaker 3>splitter by the way, that he worked on this year,

0:47:48.600 --> 0:47:51.160
<v Speaker 3>And I guess that's sort of the new trendy pitch,

0:47:51.239 --> 0:47:52.879
<v Speaker 3>like maybe sweeper was a year or two.

0:47:52.840 --> 0:47:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Ago, mm hmm, and it it has the the unique

0:47:56.400 --> 0:47:59.840
<v Speaker 1>action where it's essentially acts as like a mix between

0:47:59.880 --> 0:48:03.600
<v Speaker 1>us split in a knuckleball. And even though even though

0:48:03.640 --> 0:48:05.239
<v Speaker 1>it was his first year throwing it, I think he

0:48:05.280 --> 0:48:07.440
<v Speaker 1>had the best run value in all of in all

0:48:07.480 --> 0:48:10.560
<v Speaker 1>of baseball in that pitch. So there there's to plant

0:48:10.600 --> 0:48:12.360
<v Speaker 1>that in for you. I mean, it's just incredible what

0:48:12.400 --> 0:48:15.280
<v Speaker 1>these guys can develop in this Mariner's rotation. Like seriously,

0:48:16.040 --> 0:48:20.320
<v Speaker 1>everyone in that rotation is so unique and so different

0:48:20.320 --> 0:48:23.120
<v Speaker 1>in each their own way from like Brian Will and

0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:27.479
<v Speaker 1>Logan Gilbert are so different, but it doesn't matter because

0:48:27.520 --> 0:48:32.160
<v Speaker 1>the results are just so so so drastically uh so

0:48:32.320 --> 0:48:35.960
<v Speaker 1>drastically similar in terms of what they do. Are there

0:48:36.000 --> 0:48:41.239
<v Speaker 1>any other teams that can match the uniqueness and and

0:48:41.280 --> 0:48:44.319
<v Speaker 1>the development of of different types of pitchers, like we've

0:48:44.320 --> 0:48:45.800
<v Speaker 1>seen the Mariners do the last two years.

0:48:46.280 --> 0:48:48.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think, you know, the Rays have had some

0:48:48.280 --> 0:48:53.200
<v Speaker 3>pretty impressive runs in that regard. You know, it's it's

0:48:53.200 --> 0:48:56.200
<v Speaker 3>apples and oranges. But of course the Dodgers have, you know,

0:48:56.360 --> 0:48:58.600
<v Speaker 3>had plenty of pitching development successes of their own. But yeah,

0:48:58.640 --> 0:49:01.760
<v Speaker 3>I think the Mariner would of course rank pretty highly

0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:05.000
<v Speaker 3>in that. I was singing the praises of their pitching development.

0:49:05.040 --> 0:49:09.040
<v Speaker 3>I remember, you know, last year in particular. What's funny

0:49:09.120 --> 0:49:12.279
<v Speaker 3>is you know you allude to, you know, the there

0:49:12.280 --> 0:49:16.319
<v Speaker 3>are some pretty unique profiles in their starring rotation. You know,

0:49:16.520 --> 0:49:19.480
<v Speaker 3>Logan Gilbert and Luis Castillo are two very different pitchers.

0:49:20.320 --> 0:49:22.080
<v Speaker 3>I will say that there is an emphasis with them

0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:24.920
<v Speaker 3>on the vertical approach angle outlier guys. That is something

0:49:24.960 --> 0:49:27.680
<v Speaker 3>that we see across the board, whether it's you know,

0:49:28.400 --> 0:49:30.759
<v Speaker 3>really steep one or really flat one. I think that's

0:49:30.760 --> 0:49:34.200
<v Speaker 3>something they focus on. I don't know if you feel

0:49:34.200 --> 0:49:35.640
<v Speaker 3>like they've gotten away from it, but it felt like

0:49:35.680 --> 0:49:38.480
<v Speaker 3>there were a lot of like sweeper guys in the bullpen,

0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:41.640
<v Speaker 3>especially last couple of years, where they've had some success

0:49:41.680 --> 0:49:44.680
<v Speaker 3>with that, maybe upping their rate of that, so there

0:49:44.760 --> 0:49:46.960
<v Speaker 3>can still be some sameness with them. But yeah, I mean,

0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:49.439
<v Speaker 3>I think they're one of the top organizations in terms

0:49:49.480 --> 0:49:52.640
<v Speaker 3>of pitching development, and the fact that they have guys like

0:49:52.640 --> 0:49:55.080
<v Speaker 3>Wu and Miller who they also drafted or you know,

0:49:55.239 --> 0:49:58.560
<v Speaker 3>breaking into the rotation becoming legit pieces really speaks to

0:49:58.680 --> 0:50:00.799
<v Speaker 3>the organizations excess as a whole.

0:50:01.719 --> 0:50:04.040
<v Speaker 1>Just to follow up on the vertical proach angle part,

0:50:04.120 --> 0:50:06.440
<v Speaker 1>just for our listeners who might not be totally tuned

0:50:06.440 --> 0:50:08.680
<v Speaker 1>in on what that is. It's essentially the example you

0:50:08.680 --> 0:50:11.240
<v Speaker 1>would use for that, as Brian will write, just throwing

0:50:11.280 --> 0:50:14.960
<v Speaker 1>it so low, but the the the batter thinks it's

0:50:15.080 --> 0:50:17.880
<v Speaker 1>it's just sort of exploding up. Well, it's really just

0:50:17.960 --> 0:50:21.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of staying on plane. Yeah, exactly.

0:50:21.440 --> 0:50:25.360
<v Speaker 3>So in that sense, that's called a flat approach angle

0:50:25.719 --> 0:50:29.279
<v Speaker 3>because you know, your pitcher, you're a tall man, you're

0:50:29.320 --> 0:50:32.480
<v Speaker 3>standing on a hill, so you're releasing the ball generally

0:50:32.520 --> 0:50:35.279
<v Speaker 3>higher than where it ends up going. In Wu's case,

0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:37.719
<v Speaker 3>he releases it low and it ends up high. And

0:50:37.800 --> 0:50:40.840
<v Speaker 3>because you know, for hitter, a slight uppercut is actually

0:50:40.840 --> 0:50:42.759
<v Speaker 3>more of a contact swing because that keeps you on

0:50:42.800 --> 0:50:44.920
<v Speaker 3>plane with the ball more. The fact that the approach

0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:47.520
<v Speaker 3>angle is flat in this case does lead to more

0:50:47.560 --> 0:50:48.120
<v Speaker 3>swing in this.

0:50:50.080 --> 0:50:52.359
<v Speaker 2>Which is crazy, the drastic difference between the two, Like

0:50:52.680 --> 0:50:55.240
<v Speaker 2>TJ was saying, just to contextualize it for people listening,

0:50:55.400 --> 0:50:57.759
<v Speaker 2>one more time here Logan Gilbert gets right on top

0:50:57.800 --> 0:51:00.160
<v Speaker 2>of you. His extension's crazy. He doesn't have that is

0:51:00.200 --> 0:51:02.880
<v Speaker 2>a low release angle, but fastball rise it was a

0:51:02.920 --> 0:51:05.239
<v Speaker 2>little smaller. He releases it from the crazy angle, but

0:51:05.239 --> 0:51:07.080
<v Speaker 2>he does have the crazy fastball rise, which is just

0:51:07.120 --> 0:51:10.160
<v Speaker 2>another way that makes them very different. Bailey, I want

0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:12.440
<v Speaker 2>to ask a little bit more about you for people

0:51:12.440 --> 0:51:14.799
<v Speaker 2>that either are getting to know you for the first

0:51:14.800 --> 0:51:16.920
<v Speaker 2>time or have watched you for years and just want

0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:18.520
<v Speaker 2>to get to know more about you and the awesome

0:51:18.560 --> 0:51:22.120
<v Speaker 2>channel that you've created over the years. When did you

0:51:22.239 --> 0:51:25.560
<v Speaker 2>start to feel like your content was really resonating with people?

0:51:25.560 --> 0:51:27.680
<v Speaker 2>Because you win zero to one hundred pretty fast in

0:51:27.760 --> 0:51:30.440
<v Speaker 2>terms of your rise through YouTube and baseball YouTube, When

0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:32.600
<v Speaker 2>did you really start to see it resonate with people.

0:51:33.280 --> 0:51:36.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, zero to one hundred really fast. I mean, and

0:51:36.320 --> 0:51:39.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't think that's necessarily typical. I think a lot

0:51:39.080 --> 0:51:42.279
<v Speaker 3>of people plug away for years and they don't necessarily

0:51:42.360 --> 0:51:46.480
<v Speaker 3>have this instant aha moment. It just may be something

0:51:46.520 --> 0:51:50.560
<v Speaker 3>that progresses as they you know, improve their craft. But

0:51:50.960 --> 0:51:53.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, when I started it was making videos for

0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:56.239
<v Speaker 3>the video game Out of the Park Baseball, which is

0:51:56.320 --> 0:52:00.360
<v Speaker 3>what I would describe as a baseball GM spreadshe sheet

0:52:00.560 --> 0:52:04.000
<v Speaker 3>simulator type game. And I still love OTP. I played

0:52:04.040 --> 0:52:05.960
<v Speaker 3>some of it this year on my second channel, Foolish

0:52:06.000 --> 0:52:09.080
<v Speaker 3>Bailey in Fact, and so I started doing that, and

0:52:09.800 --> 0:52:12.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, it kind of ran its course and I decided, Okay, well,

0:52:12.760 --> 0:52:16.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, let's let's try something different. And you know,

0:52:16.040 --> 0:52:19.839
<v Speaker 3>I made the first episode of Baseball Bits, probably two

0:52:19.920 --> 0:52:22.920
<v Speaker 3>or three hundred people watched it. I made another one,

0:52:22.960 --> 0:52:25.279
<v Speaker 3>probably two or three hundred people watched it, and then

0:52:25.280 --> 0:52:27.080
<v Speaker 3>I made the one about Verlander, which I think is

0:52:27.120 --> 0:52:30.040
<v Speaker 3>still to this day one of the videos that I'm

0:52:30.080 --> 0:52:33.120
<v Speaker 3>probably most identified with. And I you know a lot

0:52:33.160 --> 0:52:36.239
<v Speaker 3>of people tell me, hey, I've been watching since the

0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:40.120
<v Speaker 3>the Justin Verlander video, because within a week that video

0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:44.480
<v Speaker 3>had like one hundred thousand plus views, and Justin Verlander

0:52:44.600 --> 0:52:46.839
<v Speaker 3>himself tweeted about it, which was very kind of him

0:52:46.880 --> 0:52:50.359
<v Speaker 3>to do. And I was getting, you know, attention from

0:52:50.400 --> 0:52:53.640
<v Speaker 3>even like people in the industry, and I really just

0:52:53.719 --> 0:52:56.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, from that point forward, took it seriously and

0:52:57.760 --> 0:53:00.960
<v Speaker 3>I didn't have like much of a career in the

0:53:01.080 --> 0:53:03.200
<v Speaker 3>in the real world. So I think, what a lot

0:53:03.239 --> 0:53:05.719
<v Speaker 3>of people when they have this breakthrough, they have to

0:53:05.800 --> 0:53:08.120
<v Speaker 3>weigh that, right, they say, oh, I was I was

0:53:08.160 --> 0:53:10.400
<v Speaker 3>going to be a successful accountant, but now I have

0:53:10.520 --> 0:53:12.560
<v Speaker 3>this YouTube video that's doing really well. I didn't really

0:53:12.560 --> 0:53:14.920
<v Speaker 3>have to necessarily make a lot of those tough decisions,

0:53:15.560 --> 0:53:18.680
<v Speaker 3>so I mean, I was basically a full time YouTuber,

0:53:19.560 --> 0:53:22.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, three or four months after that happened, and

0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:24.840
<v Speaker 3>then comfortably doing it maybe a year after that happened,

0:53:24.880 --> 0:53:27.680
<v Speaker 3>so that there was definitely a before and after moment

0:53:27.719 --> 0:53:30.000
<v Speaker 3>for me. It would be that Verlander video. I got

0:53:30.040 --> 0:53:34.160
<v Speaker 3>the feedback and the attention, and I didn't necessarily plan

0:53:34.239 --> 0:53:37.600
<v Speaker 3>on making YouTube book career. It was just something I

0:53:37.640 --> 0:53:39.880
<v Speaker 3>was doing as a hobby, something because I love baseball.

0:53:39.920 --> 0:53:41.960
<v Speaker 3>But here I am, and I've been doing this, you know,

0:53:42.080 --> 0:53:44.160
<v Speaker 3>over five years now, and that's something I'm very proud

0:53:44.160 --> 0:53:48.520
<v Speaker 3>of because I do think online creators, especially independent ones,

0:53:48.560 --> 0:53:51.680
<v Speaker 3>tend to have a relatively short shelf life. So I

0:53:51.680 --> 0:53:53.560
<v Speaker 3>think the fact that I'm you know, still able to

0:53:53.560 --> 0:53:57.160
<v Speaker 3>do this five six years later a testament to what

0:53:57.239 --> 0:53:59.880
<v Speaker 3>a great fan base I've cultivated, and hopefully a testament

0:54:00.239 --> 0:54:01.680
<v Speaker 3>all the hard work I've put into this thing.

0:54:02.520 --> 0:54:05.080
<v Speaker 1>In case any of you haven't watched it, go over

0:54:05.080 --> 0:54:08.319
<v Speaker 1>to the Foolish Baseball YouTube channel and it's it's down

0:54:08.320 --> 0:54:11.000
<v Speaker 1>there at the beginning of all the baseball bits, but

0:54:11.160 --> 0:54:14.200
<v Speaker 1>it is. It's a really good video highlighting and inning

0:54:14.280 --> 0:54:18.200
<v Speaker 1>of Justin Verlander's MVP campaign in twenty eleven. I believe

0:54:19.080 --> 0:54:23.319
<v Speaker 1>why like why that inning, like of all things, like,

0:54:23.680 --> 0:54:26.560
<v Speaker 1>of all things to land on, why was it that?

0:54:27.800 --> 0:54:30.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I I definitely felt like I wanted

0:54:30.200 --> 0:54:34.239
<v Speaker 3>to focus on, you know, aspects of baseball that had

0:54:34.239 --> 0:54:36.719
<v Speaker 3>maybe for been forgotten to some extent. And I think

0:54:36.760 --> 0:54:39.839
<v Speaker 3>for me, there's always an interest in outliers. You know,

0:54:39.920 --> 0:54:42.200
<v Speaker 3>no matter what I do, you could almost sum it

0:54:42.280 --> 0:54:43.920
<v Speaker 3>up as you know, pull up a leaderboard for a

0:54:43.960 --> 0:54:48.120
<v Speaker 3>stat who's the best at it, who's the worst? Why?

0:54:48.280 --> 0:54:51.719
<v Speaker 3>You know that that's Jeff Mathis, that's Tim Lecastro, that's

0:54:51.840 --> 0:54:53.960
<v Speaker 3>Rob Bras like those are like those are the type

0:54:53.960 --> 0:54:57.600
<v Speaker 3>of videos I'm ultimately identified with for Verlander. The outlier

0:54:57.680 --> 0:55:00.520
<v Speaker 3>is the you know, the the velocity at the end

0:55:00.520 --> 0:55:03.120
<v Speaker 3>of the game that that willingness to just completely empty

0:55:03.160 --> 0:55:06.040
<v Speaker 3>the tank and energy allocation, which I think is such

0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:08.920
<v Speaker 3>an impressive ability for any pitcher to have, and I

0:55:08.920 --> 0:55:11.239
<v Speaker 3>think it's going to probably continue to be relevant in

0:55:11.280 --> 0:55:14.880
<v Speaker 3>this in this era where pitching injuries are up, and

0:55:15.760 --> 0:55:19.320
<v Speaker 3>so yeah, I mean it. You know, I'd seen the video.

0:55:19.440 --> 0:55:21.520
<v Speaker 3>I don't think I watched the game live or anything,

0:55:21.560 --> 0:55:23.120
<v Speaker 3>but I'd seen the video over the years, and it's

0:55:23.120 --> 0:55:24.839
<v Speaker 3>just one of those things that's stuck with me. And

0:55:25.360 --> 0:55:27.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, one of the fun things about becoming a

0:55:27.719 --> 0:55:30.200
<v Speaker 3>YouTuber or a content creator and having a platform is

0:55:30.320 --> 0:55:34.120
<v Speaker 3>sometimes you discover that your brain worms, that your things

0:55:34.200 --> 0:55:36.680
<v Speaker 3>that stick in the back of your head. You know,

0:55:36.719 --> 0:55:39.239
<v Speaker 3>you can share those with other people, you know, and

0:55:39.280 --> 0:55:41.680
<v Speaker 3>you can you know, the same memories that you have

0:55:41.800 --> 0:55:43.520
<v Speaker 3>and the same things that you obsess over, those can

0:55:43.560 --> 0:55:46.000
<v Speaker 3>be someone else's new obsession. And I think that's what

0:55:46.120 --> 0:55:47.520
<v Speaker 3>happened when I put out that video.

0:55:48.600 --> 0:55:50.560
<v Speaker 1>So you look at like leaderboards and stuff, which is

0:55:51.160 --> 0:55:53.560
<v Speaker 1>which is great and I'm sure leads to a lot

0:55:53.640 --> 0:55:56.279
<v Speaker 1>of the ideas you have for videos, but you put

0:55:56.320 --> 0:55:58.399
<v Speaker 1>one out. I think those two baseball bits ago where

0:55:58.440 --> 0:56:02.880
<v Speaker 1>you were you ta talked about baseball on hgtvs. Like,

0:56:02.920 --> 0:56:05.360
<v Speaker 1>that's not on a leaderboard, right, So how did you

0:56:05.440 --> 0:56:06.640
<v Speaker 1>come up with something like that?

0:56:08.000 --> 0:56:09.799
<v Speaker 3>You know, I think maybe being in the in the

0:56:09.920 --> 0:56:13.320
<v Speaker 3>video space, the YouTube creation space, helped me in that one.

0:56:13.719 --> 0:56:17.560
<v Speaker 3>I just maybe have a unique view of baseball where

0:56:17.560 --> 0:56:22.080
<v Speaker 3>I just like can almost remove myself from the mechanics

0:56:22.360 --> 0:56:24.680
<v Speaker 3>of the batter and the pitcher and the bases and

0:56:24.800 --> 0:56:27.760
<v Speaker 3>just sort of view it almost as like an alien

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<v Speaker 3>would view a baseball broadcast, Like if you were watching

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<v Speaker 3>baseball on TV, what would you think if you had

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<v Speaker 3>no idea what was going on? And of course, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>how I present things matters to me. How I have to,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, manipulate footage that could have been from a

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<v Speaker 3>sixteen x nine era or a four x three era,

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<v Speaker 3>and how I you know, I'm conscientious of that whenever

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going through, you know, decades and decades of baseball footage. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's just one of those things where, because

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<v Speaker 3>I've spent the last four or five six years working

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<v Speaker 3>with a lot of baseball footage, it's kind of always

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<v Speaker 3>been in the back of my head like, huh, if

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<v Speaker 3>the four to three looks pretty good, you're not gaining

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<v Speaker 3>much by you know, expanding it to a sixteen by

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<v Speaker 3>nine and now here we are in an era of

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<v Speaker 3>you know, YouTube shorts and tiktoks where everything is uh,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, in portrait mode now, and yeah, you just

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<v Speaker 3>think about the mechanics of a baseball broadcast more when

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<v Speaker 3>you're make baseball YouTube videos.

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<v Speaker 1>When you started making videos, your goal was to in

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<v Speaker 1>your words, I think, was to fill a void in

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<v Speaker 1>the in the content community from more of the general

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<v Speaker 1>baseball stuff on YouTube versus like the fangrafts articles. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think there still is a void?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I actually don't. I think it's been filled. I

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<v Speaker 3>look at the the YouTube baseball landscape. It's really strong,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and I'm honored if if in any way,

0:57:49.920 --> 0:57:53.800
<v Speaker 3>you know, people were maybe inspired by my creations to

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<v Speaker 3>try their own. But it just seems like every day now,

0:57:57.480 --> 0:58:01.120
<v Speaker 3>you know, I'll come across an interesting from a smaller

0:58:01.120 --> 0:58:03.880
<v Speaker 3>creator that I hadn't previously heard of or you know,

0:58:03.960 --> 0:58:06.520
<v Speaker 3>and so the landscape right now, yeah, I think that

0:58:06.600 --> 0:58:09.640
<v Speaker 3>gap has definitely shrunk a fair amount. There's some really

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<v Speaker 3>great stuff on baseball YouTube. It's not just the saber

0:58:13.200 --> 0:58:15.040
<v Speaker 3>metric stuff either. It's just a lot of you know,

0:58:16.320 --> 0:58:19.520
<v Speaker 3>like a lot of you know, baseball player like kind

0:58:19.520 --> 0:58:21.960
<v Speaker 3>of lifestyle type stuff I really admire, Like the Baseball

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<v Speaker 3>bat Bros. What they've built is really impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Eric sim is someone who I've been a fan of

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<v Speaker 3>for years and he's seen a ton of success. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean we really benefited from for me at least personally,

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<v Speaker 3>like entering the scene around the time when MLB was

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<v Speaker 3>starting to get a little more lax with the copyright stuff,

0:58:41.720 --> 0:58:43.960
<v Speaker 3>and so I think that definitely made a big difference.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I mean I think I think the gap

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<v Speaker 3>has shrunk. I think there's there's great stuff on baseball

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<v Speaker 3>YouTube and it's a really strong scene and there are

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<v Speaker 3>a lot more people participating it than you know, five

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<v Speaker 3>years ago when I was getting started.

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<v Speaker 2>Last one I've got for you, Bailey, and I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get give you a tough one to end it. But

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<v Speaker 2>I want to see where you go with this. Of

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<v Speaker 2>all the videos you've created, baseball bets you've created, do

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<v Speaker 2>you have a top three? Have you ever thought about

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<v Speaker 2>this at all? Like, can you rank one for us?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't want to plant ideas into your head,

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<v Speaker 2>but as somebody who loves the Joey Botto video. That

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<v Speaker 2>one's up there for me. But I'm curious if you

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<v Speaker 2>have a top three in your own head.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I guess my favorite is probably the Rod Burrojas one.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it it kind of encapsulates pretty much everything

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<v Speaker 3>I would want to do with this series.

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<v Speaker 2>I liked it.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a twist essentially. I like the idea of having

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<v Speaker 3>a twist, you know, a third act to the video.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm actually quite fond of one I did recently at

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning of this year that is called the Only

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<v Speaker 3>Thing that Matters in Baseball, and it's about the count.

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<v Speaker 3>It's about you know, as in the O two pitch,

0:59:46.360 --> 0:59:48.440
<v Speaker 3>as in full count, as in the first pitch of

0:59:48.440 --> 0:59:53.960
<v Speaker 3>the bet. I think that is probably the most stats

0:59:54.000 --> 0:59:56.439
<v Speaker 3>heavy video I've done in some ways. I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>some of the most labor I've ever done on a

0:59:58.960 --> 1:00:00.800
<v Speaker 3>video in some ways, and I think it just really

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<v Speaker 3>came together well. And I think with those two vds

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<v Speaker 3>in particular, those are ones that I make and I hope,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, this will fundamentally change the way some person

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<v Speaker 3>who watches this will watch a baseball game from here

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<v Speaker 3>on out. There's a third I could throw in there

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<v Speaker 3>that might be a tough one for me. I might

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<v Speaker 3>go Tim Lacastro because people seem to really like that.

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<v Speaker 3>One one I am really partial to is one that

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<v Speaker 3>I did about the Yankees Twins game, those from twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 3>the one that ended with the Aaron Hicks catch, because

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<v Speaker 3>I felt like, you know, we've talked about some of

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<v Speaker 3>the stat heavy ones, I feel like that one is

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<v Speaker 3>a good one in a sense that I would want

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<v Speaker 3>to show it to someone who's never watched a baseball

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<v Speaker 3>game before, because what it fundamentally is is a story

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<v Speaker 3>about a really fun baseball game in the regular season.

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<v Speaker 3>And so that is one that stands out to me

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<v Speaker 3>as still one of my favorites to this day.

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<v Speaker 1>Last thing for me baileying ending on an open ended question,

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<v Speaker 1>open ended not is there a stat that you really

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<v Speaker 1>like that you don't think is getting enough attention, and

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<v Speaker 1>that into next season, into the twenty twenty five season,

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<v Speaker 1>people should pay attention to more.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've for me, the hitting stats, the hitting peripheral

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<v Speaker 3>type stats. I'll shout out three. They're very basic, but

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<v Speaker 3>I think if you look at these three stats, you

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<v Speaker 3>can get a pretty complete picture of what type of

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<v Speaker 3>hitter someone is, and that's going to be their barrel rate.

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<v Speaker 3>Barrels are so important. It's crazy how much barrels correlate

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<v Speaker 3>with home runs, how much they correlate with runs scoring.

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<v Speaker 3>In general. Barrels are awesome. That's, by the way, a

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<v Speaker 3>stat cast metric that assigns a barrel quality if you

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<v Speaker 3>reach a certain threshold in exit velocity and launch angle.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you tell a lot from someone's barrel rate.

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<v Speaker 3>They're with rate, so you know how often they swing

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<v Speaker 3>and misper swing and their chase rate, how often they

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<v Speaker 3>swing at pitches outside the zone. I think a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of times, if you're looking at a hitter, you can

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<v Speaker 3>kind of distill what they do just by looking at

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<v Speaker 3>those three stats.

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<v Speaker 1>Bailey, this has been awesome to all the listeners and

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<v Speaker 1>all the watchers. Go check out as YouTube channels if

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<v Speaker 1>you're not familiar already, Foolish Baseball and Foolish Bailey. The

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<v Speaker 1>Baseball bits are really fantastic. Go watch one, I promise

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<v Speaker 1>you then you'll probably want to watch the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>them as well. Bailey, this has been awesome. Thanks so

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<v Speaker 1>much for taking some time to join us.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Thank you, TJ, thank you Lyle.

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<v Speaker 2>We really thoroughly enjoyed that conversation with Bailey. Hopefully you

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<v Speaker 2>guys did too. Again, if you want to go check

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<v Speaker 2>can find him everywhere. We would most recommend on YouTube

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