Speaker 1: Hey, ba fam, It's Mandy here with another episode of
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Speaker 1: Welcome key Vanya, who is calling us from Atlanta, Georgia.
Speaker 2: What's up, girl, Hey, I'm glad to be here. Thank
Speaker 2: you for having me on. I'm very excited to have
Speaker 2: this discussion.
Speaker 1: So it's going to talk to a bunch of strangers
Speaker 1: about what's happening in your career and everything. This is normal,
Speaker 1: it's a normal Tuesday. Well, I love this type of
Speaker 1: question first of all, and we're gonna listen. We're going
Speaker 1: we'll take a listen to your question for just come
Speaker 1: right back, okay, because I am ready to defend my LinkedIn. Okay,
Speaker 1: LinkedIn is ba and I'm going to defend her at
Speaker 1: all costs. So let's listen to your question real fast.
Speaker 3: Hello, my name is Keivanya.
Speaker 2: First, thank you so much for taking the time out
Speaker 2: to answer my question. I wanted to give you a
Speaker 2: little context before asking the question. So I'm a contractor
Speaker 2: right now seeking out a full time role in the
Speaker 2: field that I'm currently working in. Before this, I was
Speaker 2: working in another field, so I did a little bit
Speaker 2: of a career change. However, this role that I'm in
Speaker 2: right now isn't giving me the full experience that I'm seeking,
Speaker 2: and so I've done all the things of getting my
Speaker 2: resume redone, getting my resume looked over, having my LinkedIn optimize,
Speaker 2: you know, using LinkedIn to connect with people to network. However,
Speaker 2: it just seems to me that LinkedIn is not really
Speaker 2: doing what I really needed to. I've been seeking being
Speaker 2: a full time role for a little over a year now,
Speaker 2: and by LinkedIn not doing what I needed to, I
Speaker 2: just mean that it's not been able to help me
Speaker 2: secure a full time role, and so I'm seeking knowledge
Speaker 2: on are there other opportunities outside of LinkedIn that I
Speaker 2: can do, like on a frequent basis, to be able
Speaker 2: to connect with people in the field that I'm working in,
Speaker 2: because it seems that LinkedIn is just not enough and
Speaker 2: I need to be able to connect with people on
Speaker 2: a more personal level because the Internet is just is
Speaker 2: just not enough for me. So I would love for
Speaker 2: you to give me some advice on that.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, all right, Kevan, ye, why are
Speaker 1: you going to come for my girl? LinkedIn? Like side,
Speaker 1: she not enough for you, She's not giving what she
Speaker 1: needs to give.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I thought of LinkedIn as like the holy Grail
Speaker 2: at but.
Speaker 3: Now I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm just using it wrong or
Speaker 2: I'm not using it enough. I'm on there every day,
Speaker 2: so I don't know. It's just not seeming to be
Speaker 2: something that's working for me specifically.
Speaker 1: I understand that. I mean, the thing is like LinkedIn
Speaker 1: is one of the tools and your toolkit. You mentioned
Speaker 1: your resume, and I'm actually, I'm actually really I'm not really,
Speaker 1: but I'm I guess I'm happy to hear that you're
Speaker 1: tinkering more with LinkedIn than with your resume, because LinkedIn
Speaker 1: is just sort of what's more visible to recruiters and
Speaker 1: people who can give you opportunities. And I feel like
Speaker 1: people spend a lot of time obsessing over like the
Speaker 1: piece of paper, you know, on their resume versus actually
Speaker 1: being active on LinkedIn. So you've ticked two big boxes
Speaker 1: and by the time someone has ticked the box up,
Speaker 1: I got my resume and I'm active. Excuse me, I'm
Speaker 1: active on LinkedIn and I've optimized my LinkedIn. Now it's
Speaker 1: time for the next step, which you've identified. It's not
Speaker 1: that LinkedIn is not giving what it needs to give entirely,
Speaker 1: it's that it doesn't. It's not always enough to just
Speaker 1: focus on LinkedIn. The human element is essential. And what
Speaker 1: I like about your question is that you're ready and
Speaker 1: you're like, I think I need to like talk to
Speaker 1: people and get more involved with my network. Yes, but
Speaker 1: there's not like always such a straightforward, you know option
Speaker 1: for like actually getting out there and networking. And I
Speaker 1: know that's even a scary word and an ichy word
Speaker 1: for people, but basically forming relationships and strengthening relationships with
Speaker 1: people you know in your industry. So with that being said,
Speaker 1: I want more specifics, like what kind of work do
Speaker 1: you actually do and what sort of opportunity are you
Speaker 1: looking for?
Speaker 2: Okay, so I can give you a little bit of
Speaker 2: back and then the now and then what I'm seeing.
Speaker 3: For the future.
Speaker 2: So my past is I have a past of mental
Speaker 2: health profession and I was a therapist specifically, and so
Speaker 2: building relationships is one of my strong suits and also
Speaker 2: working with systems. However, during the pandemic, a couple of
Speaker 2: things happened. The pandemic obviously George Floyd and then Breonna
Speaker 2: Taylor wid Are also murdered.
Speaker 3: As a mental health professional at that time.
Speaker 2: It was very hard, very hard for people to receive
Speaker 2: services and very hard for people to give services as well,
Speaker 2: and so I became really burnt out before I even
Speaker 2: left school. I decided I didn't want to do therapy anymore,
Speaker 2: and so I love the system aspect. So I found
Speaker 2: project management and that's what I do now. So I'm
Speaker 2: a project manager for a marketing and branding firm right now. However,
Speaker 2: I am a contractor. I am the first project manager.
Speaker 2: So a lot of the knowledge that I have is
Speaker 2: from my own research inside my work and also outside
Speaker 2: of it as well. So there's a little bit of
Speaker 2: a lack of boundaries there as well, because essentially I'm
Speaker 2: teaching myself as well as the team what.
Speaker 3: Project management can look like.
Speaker 2: However, we know that we need someone to almost like
Speaker 2: mentor us and guide us, give us some type of
Speaker 2: experience and all of the things that we do.
Speaker 3: And so that's where I am.
Speaker 2: I love my job, however, I just need more a
Speaker 2: little bit more guidance from someone else, so maybe working
Speaker 2: under someone rather than being the senior.
Speaker 1: All right, So you have essentially like started to pivot
Speaker 1: into an entirely new field. And what I like about
Speaker 1: it is you made that happen for yourself and now
Speaker 1: you're realizing you like it. You want to stay in
Speaker 1: this project management situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah for a while.
Speaker 1: Rightly awesome. So how did you get the job that
Speaker 1: you have?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: This is a contract position, you said, so like part time?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, essentially it is. I got the position because
Speaker 2: I know who I work for. Got So another barrier
Speaker 2: for me is actually because I moved here for school,
Speaker 2: my contacts are all mental health professional contexts. So a
Speaker 2: part of using LinkedIn is finding people and also introducing
Speaker 2: myself to essentially a whole pool of people that I
Speaker 2: just generally don't know. So I'm the sole person that
Speaker 2: I guess responsible without with with with minimal health.
Speaker 1: I got you, let me get I'm gonna look at
Speaker 1: your LinkedIn profile. Can you send me a link? You
Speaker 1: can put it in the chat right here. So looking
Speaker 1: at your LinkedIn profile and I'm seeing some great stuff.
Speaker 1: You have branded yourself as a project manager. You have
Speaker 1: a great little headline under your picture. It's CSM. Is
Speaker 1: that related to mental health or to project management?
Speaker 3: Certified scrum Master? Oh?
Speaker 1: I knew that I need. Yeah, what a weird word
Speaker 1: scrum master. Anyway, you have your open to work signal
Speaker 1: on your picture is on point.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 1: You have done everything right. So what I don't want
Speaker 1: you to do. What I'm hearing is like, Okay, you
Speaker 1: came from a mental health background. In your contacts are
Speaker 1: in the mental health world. I don't know that that
Speaker 1: should hold you back as a hindrance. It's almost like, well,
Speaker 1: the companies they potentially work for, if they work for
Speaker 1: a practice, you know, or some sort of institution, they
Speaker 1: may have open project manager roles for you to join.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I wouldn't discount your existing network and
Speaker 1: I would definitely like stay in touch. And I was
Speaker 1: going to ask you, have you told them that you're
Speaker 1: pivoting into project management and you may even need to
Speaker 1: explain to them what it is, because they may not
Speaker 1: like they may not know how to help you. But
Speaker 1: if you say, for example, like who would be the
Speaker 1: person at their company for them to reach out to
Speaker 1: to find out if there's any openings or opportunities, if
Speaker 1: you can direct them in that way, or if you
Speaker 1: even know you know, which.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I've had some professional professors reach out to me,
Speaker 2: as well as some colleagues who I actually do know
Speaker 2: some people who have pivoted from mental health to project management.
Speaker 2: I was introduced by some friends who who figured it
Speaker 2: out themselves and then they kind of explained it to me,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, that makes sense. So I
Speaker 2: have reached out to some people, it's just not enough.
Speaker 2: So I guess it's like it's like yes, a and
Speaker 2: like those things do work, but then sometimes they just don't.
Speaker 2: So and I've been without work for so long, I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm at my wits end, and it's like.
Speaker 3: I almost need to be introduced to someone like the
Speaker 3: exact hiring manager and.
Speaker 2: Like the I need the process to be all of
Speaker 2: like one week because like even like going to networking things,
Speaker 2: those things, those events are few and far in between.
Speaker 3: So if I'm going to an event like every three weeks.
Speaker 2: That's a three week waiting period that I still don't
Speaker 2: have a job.
Speaker 1: I understand well when you say that you've been without
Speaker 1: a job. The job that you have now, I mean
Speaker 1: you're you are getting paid, right? Is it full time
Speaker 1: or part time?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Is it just is it enough to keep you afloat?
Speaker 1: You know, financially?
Speaker 3: No, it's not. Yeah, and that ends me.
Speaker 1: Otherwise you have other work that you're doing.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I do things like Uber east Door Dash Uber,
Speaker 2: and then my mom definitely helps me and is there
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 3: But then another thing of like the whole, like I'm.
Speaker 2: On a timeline, the quote unquote timeline that we build
Speaker 2: for ourselves. I feel I'm about to be twenty eight,
Speaker 2: and they are just responsibilities.
Speaker 3: I should be.
Speaker 1: The play for oh, don't should yourself to death. I
Speaker 1: was gonna joke and be like, you're right, you really are.
Speaker 1: You're almost past your due date, past your exportation date,
Speaker 1: but you're not don't should yourself to death. But I
Speaker 1: do feel that sense of urgency and like you have
Speaker 1: a right to feel impatient, because I mean, I can
Speaker 1: see from your LinkedIn that it's not like you are
Speaker 1: bright like bright eyed bushy tailed right out of college.
Speaker 1: You know, like you're not twenty one to twenty two.
Speaker 1: You have some professional experience. The thing is like, you
Speaker 1: have been doing the work that you want to be
Speaker 1: doing for a year now, a year and three months.
Speaker 1: According to LinkedIn, that's sometimes the hard part that people
Speaker 1: want to skip over. But like getting the experience in
Speaker 1: the thing that you want to pivot into is almost
Speaker 1: a hard hard part. Like, I think you've done the
Speaker 1: hard part. You got a role doing the thing that
Speaker 1: you want to be doing. Now it's about the next
Speaker 1: step and the next level up. Okay, So I want
Speaker 1: you to feel good about that because a lot of
Speaker 1: the coaching I do is often with people who are
Speaker 1: wanting to pivot, but they're just like, wait, how do
Speaker 1: I get an opportunity? You know, where do I find it?
Speaker 1: So you've worked your sources, you've gotten your foot in
Speaker 1: the door. Now the networking event thing, I get that
Speaker 1: as well. One thing that you could be doing is
Speaker 1: don't wait for those you know, networking events that come
Speaker 1: every once into blue moon. Reach out to the event
Speaker 1: organizers and just say, hey, I'm interested in this event. However,
Speaker 1: I would love you know, if you can hop on
Speaker 1: like a ten minute phone call. I am. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm in a crunch time right now where I have
Speaker 1: been working as a contractor, and just be honest and
Speaker 1: say I can't wait three weeks. I want to talk
Speaker 1: to someone right now and connect with them in advance.
Speaker 1: You don't have to go by their timeline or by
Speaker 1: their rules in that sense. Does that make sense right?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It absolutely does make sense.
Speaker 2: And that's the type of advice I was looking for,
Speaker 2: because sometimes we do kind of run out of options
Speaker 2: and it's like I've been having my own thoughts and
Speaker 2: then I'm not even gonna lie. LinkedIn can be very
Speaker 2: depressing sometimes, I know it because it's on the one hand,
Speaker 2: you have the people who are getting laid off and
Speaker 2: looking for work, and then on the other hand you
Speaker 2: have the person who is getting a new job and
Speaker 2: they are getting promoted.
Speaker 3: And then I'm somewhere in between that where I'm like
Speaker 3: where do I go? Where do I fall?
Speaker 1: I know, you're on your own path. That's why it
Speaker 1: feels lonely there. You're just we're all on our own roads.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I think that the mindset is so
Speaker 1: important when it comes to like this is a crossroads
Speaker 1: in your career. It's kind of it's meant to be
Speaker 1: fraud and a little stressful. It's not going to be
Speaker 1: a forever state though, like I can talk to you
Speaker 1: and just be like, you have so much going for you.
Speaker 1: This will be the beginning of a new chapter, you know.
Speaker 1: It's just that anticipation of like, when is it my turn?
Speaker 1: All right, ba fam you are listening to the ba
Speaker 1: qa A. We are going to take a quick break
Speaker 1: and be right back with more of your questions and
Speaker 1: our answers. Okay va faan, we are back answering more
Speaker 1: of your questions for the baqa Let's go. I would
Speaker 1: actually I would prescribe you a little LinkedIn diet, a
Speaker 1: little LinkedIn break. Maybe you're on there too much and
Speaker 1: instead like start reaching out if you haven't and making
Speaker 1: like some real plans to connect with humans. So we
Speaker 1: talked about the networking events that you have been thinking
Speaker 1: about going to, finding the organizers. I did this myself recently,
Speaker 1: Like last week, I spoke at a conference. I live
Speaker 1: in New York, and there's this big working women's like
Speaker 1: entrepreneurship conference that I saw in advertisement for and I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, that's in March. It was in March
Speaker 1: and thinks it was like early February at the time,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'd love to speak there. And
Speaker 1: typically I think the advice would be go to the
Speaker 1: conference so you know, see what it's like, and then
Speaker 1: pitch yourself as a speaker for next year. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't really got time to wait. I
Speaker 1: want to do this live. I want to do this
Speaker 1: workshop that I've been working on live. So I just
Speaker 1: went and found the organizers and blew up. I didn't
Speaker 1: blow up their DMS, but I just tracked them down. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's easy enough to find people's I found them on LinkedIn,
Speaker 1: I found their ig page, sent them a little DMS
Speaker 1: and a little follow up, found their email address, sent
Speaker 1: a little email there. Polite, polite, polite, and I didn't
Speaker 1: end up having to wait another year. They got me
Speaker 1: on the speaker's list based on my pitch, you know,
Speaker 1: in February. They put me on the roster, and I'm like, sweet.
Speaker 1: So sometimes that you want to you just need to
Speaker 1: like put yourself at the front of the line and
Speaker 1: feel confident in doing that.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that makes a lot of sense, especially like
Speaker 2: what you're saying a lot of encouragement because the job
Speaker 2: seeking journey can be very disheartening. It can take blows
Speaker 2: at your self esteem a lot. So a lot of
Speaker 2: it is reminding myself that I am worthy of these positions,
Speaker 2: even yeah, even against the injections that I gave.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And I mean you made a good point
Speaker 1: about like the weird dichotomy of like there is there
Speaker 1: are excuse me, in some sectors there are layoffs happening.
Speaker 1: I mean, Meta just announced another ten thousand people are
Speaker 1: getting laid off. They already laid off ten thousand, so
Speaker 1: that's just massive and it can feel like but that
Speaker 1: also can affect the mood of hiring across the board.
Speaker 1: So it's not a situation where it's like what else
Speaker 1: can I be doing? I think you're doing everything right.
Speaker 1: It's just about kind of riding this little dip. You know,
Speaker 1: there is a situation where maybe hiring managers are going
Speaker 1: to be more like a little more cautious, like a
Speaker 1: little less quick to hire, which is bad. Is not
Speaker 1: what you want to hear when you're just at this
Speaker 1: point where you're ready for your next opportunity. But I mean,
Speaker 1: at least you have to understand that there are some
Speaker 1: things out of your control that could be also contributing
Speaker 1: to why nothing has really stuck yet. Okay, so how
Speaker 1: else can you put you in a space where you
Speaker 1: can meet people who need a PM, need project management?
Speaker 1: What type of project management for those who may don't
Speaker 1: even know much about the space or just heard about
Speaker 1: scrum master and all that, what type of like and
Speaker 1: what type of like day to day tasks are you
Speaker 1: really good at? You know, at the place where you
Speaker 1: are now, so.
Speaker 3: I'm definitely good.
Speaker 2: So overall, if you don't know what a project manager is,
Speaker 2: not you the audience. It's basically the accountability partner for
Speaker 2: the team. So along with having CRM tools, lanners, calendars,
Speaker 2: those type of things, there's a person who's basically like, hey,
Speaker 2: you're supposed to be doing this.
Speaker 3: Hey, we have a project that the do date is coming.
Speaker 2: So you have little small goes, little small tests that
Speaker 2: you have to do to be meet big milestones, and
Speaker 2: some of those things can slip through the cracks because
Speaker 2: there's so many people involved in the in the process
Speaker 2: of accomplishing one thing. And so I'm the I'm the
Speaker 2: person who's basically the string that holds everyone together and
Speaker 2: reminding everyone, hey, you don't do this that impacts this
Speaker 2: other person a job, and reminding everyone to be team
Speaker 2: players and just holding people accountable. So I think my
Speaker 2: strong suit, like I said earlier, is definitely relationship building
Speaker 2: because along with reminding people, reminding can be a thin
Speaker 2: line of reminding. And what is the word I'm looking
Speaker 2: for when you're micromanaging oh.
Speaker 1: Your team as yeah, yeah, you're right, yeah, how do
Speaker 1: you keep ale motivated to get stuff done and and
Speaker 1: like brank in on them without making them feel micromanaged
Speaker 1: or watched right?
Speaker 2: And then so definitely the relationship building conflict management because
Speaker 2: everyone doesn't always work well together, especially when you're working
Speaker 2: with people who are normally a part of different teams
Speaker 2: so they're not your everyday person.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to stop you there because I want
Speaker 1: to ask you as I'm listening to you, and what
Speaker 1: I love about this conversation is like the light starts
Speaker 1: to come on when I start to hear you talk
Speaker 1: about your strengths. Change management seems like a really excellent
Speaker 1: opportunity for you. So beyond just like project management, I'm wondering,
Speaker 1: I'm looking for ways when I'm listening to you to
Speaker 1: niche you down into like specialty, because what can make
Speaker 1: you unique? And you're exactly right, like talking about your
Speaker 1: mental health background and your relationships and even you know,
Speaker 1: understanding your emotional EQ and like how you're able to
Speaker 1: be a better project manager because you can you can
Speaker 1: deal with personalities and understand like the psychology behind it.
Speaker 1: That's what change management teams really are, you know, tasked
Speaker 1: with Are you familiar with that line of work?
Speaker 3: Slightly? Yes, I've seen those within like my job search, and.
Speaker 2: What you just did is specifically why I've been looking
Speaker 2: for not only people to network with, but mentorship because
Speaker 2: going to school for something else you learn all of
Speaker 2: the nuances around it, but finding out things on your own,
Speaker 2: I'm basically on LinkedIn YouTube university because I'm finding out
Speaker 2: all of the things without someone actually teaching me those things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so having someone.
Speaker 2: There as like a guide, that's kind of what I
Speaker 2: meant by working under someone because they know a little
Speaker 2: bit more about the field than I do. So sometimes
Speaker 2: you're searching for something that you don't even.
Speaker 1: Know no exactly, and how do you know what's exactly
Speaker 1: and how do you even know what lines of work
Speaker 1: are available to you if you're not just talking. So
Speaker 1: even just having this conversation, I'm glad that this has
Speaker 1: you know, opened up potentially a new door because I
Speaker 1: feel like that makes so much sense. You know, change
Speaker 1: management teams, they are you know, often tasked with, Okay,
Speaker 1: we want to overhaul the payroll system, we want to
Speaker 1: bring in a new we're going to move people to
Speaker 1: a new office, or have these new policies in place.
Speaker 1: So let's you know, it's a project to manage the
Speaker 1: project that needs to get done, but it's also about okay, now,
Speaker 1: how do we roll out the news. How do we
Speaker 1: make sure people are excited about it and they don't
Speaker 1: get stressed about it. That's an excellent I would say,
Speaker 1: for sure, And like for you, I think it'll be
Speaker 1: important not to be in a room with other project
Speaker 1: managers or other you know, people doing exactly what you're doing,
Speaker 1: but finding networking opportunities of professionals who, like you said,
Speaker 1: are decision makers, the hiring managers, the professionals who understand
Speaker 1: where someone like you could fit into their organization. So
Speaker 1: even in Atlanta, I mean, Atlanta is such a booming,
Speaker 1: you know economy for businesses and small businesses, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: where are they hanging out? You know, are there organizations
Speaker 1: like what is it called urban the Urban League? Urban
Speaker 1: League is one there are I'm sure there's a thriving
Speaker 1: you know, SBA, a chamber of commerce that you could
Speaker 1: you know, look to for events and not even to
Speaker 1: go to the events, but to find names. And then
Speaker 1: we find the names, find the email addresses, and you know,
Speaker 1: look up on LinkedIn and find people who have the
Speaker 1: titles of jobs that you want and just be you know,
Speaker 1: an advocate for yourself, you know, informing those connections. And
Speaker 1: I think that you'll they'll be impressed by you taking
Speaker 1: your mental health background and understanding how there's that bridge
Speaker 1: into project management and even more so indepodentially change management.
Speaker 1: You know, I could also see a path for you
Speaker 1: in HR, which sometimes is like closely aligned with or
Speaker 1: even does some of the work of change management people,
Speaker 1: you know, in going into that kind of space too.
Speaker 1: That's that's also an opportunity for you. I wish you
Speaker 1: were a member of my coaching community. I know I
Speaker 1: have people in my community who work in exactly these fields.
Speaker 1: And I'll definitely go through the list of Mandy money
Speaker 1: makers and see if I can connect you with anyone
Speaker 1: because I appreciate that. Yeah, of course that's what happens
Speaker 1: on you met a new human. If I'm in a
Speaker 1: position to support you, I want to do that. Okay.
Speaker 1: So I just feel like you need like a little
Speaker 1: bit of a reset. You know, this sucks, it's taken
Speaker 1: a long time, but your opportunity is around the corner.
Speaker 1: You just got to like feel that way and just
Speaker 1: keep pushing.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that good feel good.
Speaker 2: Sometimes we just need a little bit of boost to like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm back.
Speaker 1: That's what I do every day. You're so not alone.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's one of the reasons I found in
Speaker 1: my career coaching practice is because I was talking to women,
Speaker 1: especially women of color during the pandemic, who were wanting
Speaker 1: something new, and it's isolating because the Internet is nice
Speaker 1: and there's all these resources, and like you said, there's
Speaker 1: YouTube and LinkedIn and articles on what to do and
Speaker 1: how to do a job search, but it can feel
Speaker 1: like you're the only one. And then you graduate with
Speaker 1: people and like they're off doing their thing, and you
Speaker 1: get on LinkedIn and it seems like people got stuff
Speaker 1: going on, and it's really isolating if you don't have
Speaker 1: that community of people that you can, you know, align
Speaker 1: yourself with and feel like you're in the trenches together,
Speaker 1: all sort of striving towards something better. So as much
Speaker 1: as you can find community in a place where you
Speaker 1: can feel supported, I would say that's going to help
Speaker 1: you stave off this anxiety, this you know, tick tic
Speaker 1: tick in your head that's telling you that you should have,
Speaker 1: should have, should have, should have, should have. We got
Speaker 1: to ban that where it should from the from.
Speaker 3: The vocab, I've heard that, I'm trying, You're.
Speaker 1: Trying, You're where you need to be. And and again like,
Speaker 1: do not discount you have a year under your belt
Speaker 1: of project management experience. They don't got to know what's
Speaker 1: part time. They don't got to know all the things
Speaker 1: that you wish you had that you don't have, and
Speaker 1: you don't have a mentor, and blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Just sell it, you know, tell that story, Tell it. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, Kivanya, thank you so much for letting me
Speaker 1: pour into you a little bit and talk your head off,
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