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Speaker 1: a existing listener, I hope she will become one after this.

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Speaker 1: Welcome key Vanya, who is calling us from Atlanta, Georgia.

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Speaker 2: What's up, girl, Hey, I'm glad to be here. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for having me on. I'm very excited to have

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Speaker 2: this discussion.

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Speaker 1: So it's going to talk to a bunch of strangers

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Speaker 1: about what's happening in your career and everything. This is normal,

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Speaker 1: it's a normal Tuesday. Well, I love this type of

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Speaker 1: question first of all, and we're gonna listen. We're going

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Speaker 1: we'll take a listen to your question for just come

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Speaker 1: right back, okay, because I am ready to defend my LinkedIn. Okay,

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Speaker 1: LinkedIn is ba and I'm going to defend her at

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Speaker 1: all costs. So let's listen to your question real fast.

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Speaker 3: Hello, my name is Keivanya.

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Speaker 2: First, thank you so much for taking the time out

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Speaker 2: to answer my question. I wanted to give you a

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Speaker 2: little context before asking the question. So I'm a contractor

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Speaker 2: right now seeking out a full time role in the

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Speaker 2: field that I'm currently working in. Before this, I was

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Speaker 2: working in another field, so I did a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a career change. However, this role that I'm in

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Speaker 2: right now isn't giving me the full experience that I'm seeking,

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Speaker 2: and so I've done all the things of getting my

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Speaker 2: resume redone, getting my resume looked over, having my LinkedIn optimize,

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Speaker 2: you know, using LinkedIn to connect with people to network. However,

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Speaker 2: it just seems to me that LinkedIn is not really

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Speaker 2: doing what I really needed to. I've been seeking being

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Speaker 2: a full time role for a little over a year now,

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Speaker 2: and by LinkedIn not doing what I needed to, I

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Speaker 2: on are there other opportunities outside of LinkedIn that I

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Speaker 2: can do, like on a frequent basis, to be able

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Speaker 2: to connect with people in the field that I'm working in,

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Speaker 2: because it seems that LinkedIn is just not enough and

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Speaker 2: I need to be able to connect with people on

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Speaker 2: a more personal level because the Internet is just is

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Speaker 2: just not enough for me. So I would love for

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Speaker 2: you to give me some advice on that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, all right, Kevan, ye, why are

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Speaker 1: you going to come for my girl? LinkedIn? Like side,

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Speaker 1: she not enough for you, She's not giving what she

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I thought of LinkedIn as like the holy Grail

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Speaker 3: Now I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm just using it wrong or

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Speaker 2: I'm not using it enough. I'm on there every day,

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Speaker 2: so I don't know. It's just not seeming to be

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Speaker 1: I understand that. I mean, the thing is like LinkedIn

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Speaker 1: I got my resume and I'm active. Excuse me, I'm

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Speaker 1: active on LinkedIn and I've optimized my LinkedIn. Now it's

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Speaker 1: time for the next step, which you've identified. It's not

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Speaker 1: it's that it doesn't. It's not always enough to just

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Speaker 1: focus on LinkedIn. The human element is essential. And what

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Speaker 1: I like about your question is that you're ready and

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Speaker 1: I want more specifics, like what kind of work do

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Speaker 2: building relationships is one of my strong suits and also

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Speaker 1: I got you, let me get I'm gonna look at

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Speaker 1: at your LinkedIn profile and I'm seeing some great stuff.

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Speaker 1: You have branded yourself as a project manager. You have

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Speaker 3: Certified scrum Master? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I knew that I need. Yeah, what a weird word

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Speaker 1: You have done everything right. So what I don't want

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Speaker 1: So I mean, I wouldn't discount your existing network and

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Speaker 2: I was introduced by some friends who who figured it

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Speaker 3: I should be.

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Speaker 1: The play for oh, don't should yourself to death. I

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Speaker 1: According to LinkedIn, that's sometimes the hard part that people

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Speaker 1: That's what I do every day. You're so not alone.

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Speaker 1: should have, should have, should have, should have. We got

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Speaker 3: The vocab, I've heard that, I'm trying, You're.

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Speaker 1: Trying, You're where you need to be. And and again like,

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Speaker 1: do not discount you have a year under your belt

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Speaker 1: Just sell it, you know, tell that story, Tell it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, Kivanya, thank you so much for letting me

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Speaker 1: pour into you a little bit and talk your head off,

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Speaker 1: and please keep me posted because I do get quite

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Speaker 1: invested with our BA qah listeners. So I want to

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Speaker 1: know more about your journey. Okay, so stay in touch.

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Speaker 3: Okay, absolutely, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome. All right. I want to say thank you

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Speaker 1: so much to Kivanya for joining us on the VA.

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