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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Monday, November third. Everybody, Welcome

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Speaker 2: to Monday. I hope you had a great one. I'm

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Speaker 2: Stephanie Leidecker and I'm here, of course with my favorite

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Speaker 2: true crime amigos, Courtney Armstrong and Body Moven and of

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Speaker 2: course we have Taha, Sam and Adam and even a

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Speaker 2: secret surprise by Gabe with us this evening. So listen up, everybody.

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Speaker 2: It is Monday, and we have a stacked night of headlines.

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Speaker 2: So many things to unpack tonight. We talked about it

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Speaker 2: briefly last night. Lots going on with this trial, the

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Speaker 2: forty million dollars suit by the first grade teacher who

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Speaker 2: was shot by her student. Yes, her student, So that

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Speaker 2: is an ongoing event happening in real time.

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Speaker 3: So much to unpack.

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Speaker 2: Also in this Epstein Fiesco it continues, and listen, we

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Speaker 2: have really firm information that JP Morgan was potentially overlooking

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Speaker 2: some very shady transactions allegedly allegedly allegedly to the now

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Speaker 2: disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein. And what does that mean. The

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Speaker 2: numbers that we're talking about are astounding, So we're going

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Speaker 2: to follow the money train tonight a little bit. Also

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Speaker 2: pop star David and Celestrevus, the body's friend or somebody

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Speaker 2: who she knows well. The private investigator who has been

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Speaker 2: hired by family or by the landlord rather that is

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Speaker 2: doing an investigation on behalf of the landlord has some

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Speaker 2: really interesting items that he claims were gotten out of

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Speaker 2: David's home, So we're going to be covering that as well.

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Speaker 4: In fact, let's go to one right now. This is

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Speaker 4: Andy from Minnesota. Again, I just want to say I

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Speaker 3: Thank you all so much. Nice way to start the show.

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Speaker 5: Great, Adam, you outdid yourself. He said, he had a

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Speaker 5: nice talkback to play for us, and I had some doubts.

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Speaker 3: He blew it out of the park.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much for that.

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Speaker 3: That was so kind, happy to do it. That makes

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Speaker 3: me so happy.

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Speaker 2: It's been sort of a odd day at least in

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Speaker 2: my little world. So I am just so styched to

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Speaker 2: be with you guys right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I needed this number two. What a lovely talkback. Join

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Speaker 2: us at the table, Pull up a chair. We are

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Speaker 2: all in this together. Bring some wine, yeah, bring a

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Speaker 2: cocktail or something. We were just all saying at some

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Speaker 2: point we're going to have a cocktail, and that maybe tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: because somebody has a birthday tomorrow. Courtney Armstrong is celebrating

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Speaker 2: her twenty third birthday, and we're here for it.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, it's going to be so good.

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Speaker 7: Can we dance on tables tomorrow night? Is that finally

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Speaker 7: a thing? I think so for Talkback Tuesday? What's your

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Speaker 7: dancing song or what's your karaoke song? Eight at eight

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Speaker 7: three to one crime? That would be fun to know people.

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Speaker 7: I don't they do karaoke, not because I don't enjoy it.

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Speaker 7: I love it it. But back to the you know

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Speaker 7: that's so satisfying. I'm a great background. I am a

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Speaker 7: really good backup dancer.

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Speaker 3: I love karaoke bars though.

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Speaker 5: Like going to a karaoke bar people, it's the best.

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Speaker 8: Got it?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 2: No, and I'm in courtant. I mean this is again,

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Speaker 2: we're all kind of this is the Irish side.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Listen, just because I can't sing or dance doesn't prevent

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Speaker 2: it from happening exactly.

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Speaker 3: You know, talk about a camera, a micg come on

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Speaker 3: for you the noise? Yeah you have a secret song

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Speaker 8: As you said that, I was trying to think of

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Speaker 8: one for some reason, only think of dancing on the table.

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Speaker 8: That line that came to mind quickly. Suddenly, what a hip.

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Speaker 3: Cat you are a coolest cat in town. You're Rita,

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Speaker 3: has nothing, nothing.

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Speaker 8: To worry about exactly. I'll come up with a better one.

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Speaker 8: Let me wrap my head around a body.

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Speaker 3: What was yours?

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Speaker 8: You were about to say a song?

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Speaker 5: Jone Jets I love rock and roll or Jone Jet

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Speaker 3: I love those two songs for karaoke. Everyone their mind

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Speaker 3: when Jet comes one.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, sorry, and you get everybody clapping, you know, like.

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Speaker 6: The I love ban it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that one.

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Speaker 3: It just gets everybody riled up. I like it.

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Speaker 8: We're gonna have to do a little dance or something

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Speaker 8: like that. Tomorrow night will celebrate no.

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Speaker 3: Singing, singing, Courtney. When you have a song, I have

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Speaker 3: a feeling you have a song tip of tongue.

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Speaker 7: No, I really don't. I'm kind of the same as you.

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Speaker 7: I'll be the I will cheer, I will get on

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Speaker 6: But no, that's more my m.

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Speaker 3: You're a really good tem gallery put it that way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, listen, not to switch gears. But there is

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Speaker 2: only very dark and devastating things to talk about, So

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Speaker 2: let's dig in to it real quick.

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Speaker 3: Courtney, this case.

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Speaker 2: I know we've been wanting to talk about this for

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Speaker 2: several days now. This teacher who was shot by her

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Speaker 2: first grade student. Yeah, fill us in.

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Speaker 7: And the implications could be really serious. So the trivial,

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Speaker 7: the civil trial has resumed this morning, and that's between

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Speaker 7: former teacher Abby's Werner and she is suing for forty

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Speaker 7: million dollars in damages against the former assistant principal of

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Speaker 7: her school, Ebeny Parker, and the allegation is that Parker

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Speaker 7: failed to act on multiple gun warnings before the teacher,

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Speaker 7: Abby's Warner was shot in her classroom by as you said, Stephanie,

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Speaker 7: a six year old. So this happened in January of

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty three in first grade and she was in

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Speaker 7: her classroom at rich Neck Elementary. This happened in Virginia,

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Speaker 7: and the six year old student had a history of

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Speaker 7: behavioral problem problems. In the lawsuit, the teacher Abby's Werner

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Speaker 7: accuses the assistant principle of ignoring repeated, repeated staff warnings

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Speaker 7: that her inaction violated her legal duty to protect students

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Speaker 7: and staff from foreseeable harm.

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Speaker 2: That's a tough spot, you know, and she the woman

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Speaker 2: who is now being you know, basically accused of overlooking

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Speaker 2: these many red flags frankly straight up threats that were

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Speaker 2: it is not really her responsibility.

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Speaker 7: That's exactly right, And indeed it was four step meant

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Speaker 7: four staff members who did Warren Parker the assistant principle

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Speaker 7: that the student might be armed, and allegedly she declined

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Speaker 7: to act on that information. So I kind of I

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Speaker 7: don't understand any.

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Speaker 5: Situation where you don't missing something like all these people

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Speaker 5: knew that this kid was armed, and somehow it was

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Speaker 5: only this one person's responsibility to like disarm him or

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Speaker 3: I don't understand. I don't know.

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Speaker 7: Well, she was the assistant principal. I guess it was

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Speaker 7: her cause to action to do something. Yeah, and the

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Speaker 7: teacher abby she During her testimony, she recalled thinking she

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Speaker 7: had died after she was shot, and she thought she

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Speaker 7: realizing her coworkers were applying pressures to her wounds. She

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Speaker 7: has undergone at least six surgeries, she still has a

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Speaker 7: bullet fragment lodge in her body, she has permanent damage

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Speaker 7: to her hand that restricts her daily use. And this

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Speaker 7: six year old shooter had a documented history of behavioral problems,

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Speaker 7: including prior violent outbursts and disciplinary actions before the day

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Speaker 7: of the shooting. So it's so complicated. I mean, six

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Speaker 7: years old. We can all picture what a six year

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Speaker 5: First grade? Yeah, right, first grade. This is just a nugget,

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Speaker 5: you know, just a little baby teeth.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of things that are wrong in this story, right,

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Speaker 2: So number one, how does a six year old have

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Speaker 3: Let's start there, where's mom and dad in the equation?

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Speaker 2: And I assume they're being roped into this in some

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Speaker 2: meaningful way, and that they, in fact are being called

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Speaker 2: to the carpet about gun safety.

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Speaker 7: I would imagine you're exactly right, Stephanie. So since the incident,

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Speaker 7: the child's mother has pled guilty to child neglect. I

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Speaker 7: had to say, no surprise there to child neglect and

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Speaker 7: federal firearm charges and received a combined sentence of nearly

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Speaker 7: four years in prison. Oh wow, So that what happened

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Speaker 7: on the parents side? On the administrative side. The fallout

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Speaker 7: was the new poor news. School board removed the district superintendent,

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Speaker 7: reassigned the school principle, and faced really intense public criticism

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Speaker 3: So this is interesting.

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Speaker 7: Under Virginia law, administrators have a quote duty of care

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Speaker 7: to take reasonable steps to prevent foreseeable harm. Parker's alleged

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Speaker 7: in action may represent a breach of that duty. So body,

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Speaker 7: when you asked, why is she because it's different an

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Speaker 7: administrator versus a teacher, it's it's a different different duties,

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Speaker 7: different responsibilities.

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Speaker 3: That makes sense. That makes sense. Wow.

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Speaker 5: So if if a teacher knows and and I'm not asking,

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Speaker 5: I'm not accusing and just asking questions.

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Speaker 3: Yes, same.

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Speaker 5: So if a teacher knows, hey, this kid has a gun,

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Speaker 5: it's not their responsibility to take the gun away from

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Speaker 3: I guess I just don't.

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Speaker 5: If four people this kid had a gun and they

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Speaker 5: went to the assistant principle, and maybe I'm a simplifying this.

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Speaker 5: Maybe there's more steps here that we just don't know about,

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Speaker 5: but I just don't understand why. Okay, well, she's not

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Speaker 5: doing anything. This system principle is not doing anything, so

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Speaker 5: just let them go to class. It's just it's strange

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Speaker 5: to me, very because it's strange. Of course, it's strange.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't understand. I mean, if anyone in

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Speaker 3: Care about my job. I'm going to get the gun

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Speaker 3: from the.

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Speaker 7: Kid, or get my you know, get on the phone

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Speaker 7: with an on one or I don't know. And I

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Speaker 7: have a feeling that once this goes to criminal trial,

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Speaker 7: a lot of these questions.

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Speaker 3: Will be revealed of who precisely knew.

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Speaker 5: What is there going to be yes, oh, yes, there

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Speaker 5: is okay, all right?

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Speaker 3: Good wow. I mean a six year old.

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Speaker 5: I can't imagine having that kind of animosity and anger

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Speaker 7: I know it's terrible to think what this child went through.

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Speaker 7: But listen, you're listening to True Crime tonight. I'm Courtney.

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Speaker 2: And think about the other classmates. You know, you're a

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Speaker 7: Well, there was a child neglect, so I don't think

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Speaker 3: Yeah, set up for zero success. And you know is

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Speaker 7: But listen. Also important when we come back, Epstein's money

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Speaker 7: True Crime Tonight, we are talking true crime all the time.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Monday, November three, everybody, and yes,

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Speaker 3: And ps, before.

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Speaker 2: We get into too many other specifics, it's not just

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Speaker 3: There have been some.

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Speaker 2: So we're talking so deeply about Epsteen files, Epstein files,

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Speaker 3: So should I break it down for us? Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, it's complicated.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a little complicated.

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Speaker 2: So JP Morgan's newly unsealed records reveal that the bank

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein is a convicted sex offender and financier. He

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Speaker 2: Where is Jeffrey Epstein getting all this money? Why is

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Speaker 2: Also there was this gentleman. I'm actually not going to

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Speaker 3: He has since left this bank, and it's a big.

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Speaker 3: Depths because nobody will let us have any of the information.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty scary. Yeah, like there's no way for a

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Speaker 7: So I think maybe let's see I'm looking at there

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty three, JP Morgan Chase agreed to pay

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Speaker 2: It might flag the board and people who are investigating

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Speaker 7: So everyone's getting a piece of everyone's guess, everyone's getting greased.

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Speaker 3: Talk about inconvenient. But they will not swear her in.

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Speaker 2: And it's stuff like this, these money documents where you

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Speaker 2: And again we saw this with Diddy in a smaller way,

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Speaker 2: So all this talk about who's on the list, who's

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Speaker 3: Somebody like forensic accounting is like is somebody else? They

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Speaker 2: They just were refusing to share this information because it's

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Speaker 2: air ques quotes sealed.

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Speaker 3: Oh, for the benefit of the victims. I don't know.

443
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Speaker 2: It sounds like it's the benefit of the victim at

444
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: the bank, who's you know, now going to get maybe

445
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 2: in trouble or they're going to get exposed. Certain people

446
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 2: have already been secretly fired and removed from their big

447
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 2: stature at said banks. But again, these amounts of money

448
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 2: is astounding. We're seeing Prince Andrew obviously taking a hit.

449
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 2: He is no longer the king of anything or the

450
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Speaker 2: prince of anything. And now people in the US are

451
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Speaker 2: really calling for criminal charges, including in the UK.

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Speaker 3: They are not playing around.

453
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Speaker 2: They don't think it's enough that Andrew has just you know,

454
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Speaker 2: given away his keys to his big, beautiful mansion and

455
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 2: has to downsize a tinge. No, no, they want criminal act. Yeah,

456
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 2: and that's the tip of an iceberg.

457
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Speaker 3: So why what? Why? Now?

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Speaker 5: If you know, why, give us a call eight to

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Speaker 5: eight thirty one crime or hit us on the talkbacks

460
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Speaker 5: on the iHeartRadio app. This is true crime tonight. We're

461
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 5: right in the middle of talking about this really complicated,

462
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 5: kind of hard to wrap your head around. Billions of

463
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Speaker 5: dollars right a situation. Give us a call eighty eight

464
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 5: to thirty one crime Stephanie. Now, I can understand why

465
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 5: the UK citizens would be upset because the Royal family

466
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 5: is funded from you know, the UK tax dollars, right,

467
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 5: Like I can understand why they would want, you know more.

468
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 5: It looked into is he getting money? Is there a

469
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 5: do you know, if there's like a trace to him.

470
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Speaker 2: We don't know if there's a trace to him from

471
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Speaker 2: these banks, but we do know that his brother, Charles,

472
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 2: it's being reported, is in fact going to give Andrew

473
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Speaker 2: some kind of a stipend, which maybe is another like

474
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Speaker 2: third hand day of the you know, the Commonwealth to

475
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 2: have to pay for what seems like a straight up pedophile.

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Speaker 3: Oh you know.

477
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Speaker 2: And like again, we know that Virginia Grufrey was not

478
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: believed and she you know, her life was ridiculed. And

479
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 2: many of the victims are finally banning together as they

480
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 2: have over the years, begging for someone to listen. But

481
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 2: it's all starting to heat up a little bit as

482
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: more of these banking documents get released and there's a

483
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: real call for transparency, which I'm not getting off the soapbox,

484
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: like we should have transparency.

485
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 3: Put the list aside. We're not looking to shame anybody.

486
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 2: This is not even political, but it is running the

487
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: show at this point on a world scale, and who

488
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: are the players. And it's affecting our daily lives Number

489
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,239
Speaker 2: one and number two. It's happening real time. It's not like, well,

490
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 2: suddenly this is over and this is a story of yesteryear.

491
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 2: This is still happening. Trafficking is one of the largest,

492
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 2: if not the largest financial businesses worldwide.

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Speaker 5: A lot of people think that the shutdown is because

494
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 5: of the Ebstein list, right, and I mean this is

495
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 5: affecting people, your neighbors. This is affecting everyday Americans. You

496
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 5: see anybody running to like make this government shutdown stop?

497
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: Do you know, I feel like it's getting work did

499
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 2: on the daily everybody's everywhere, but talking about the government

500
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 2: being shut down. We have no eric traffic controllers that

501
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 2: are actually being paid. You know, people are serving our

502
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 2: country are being furloughed and unpaid. I mean, at the

503
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: top level, we have talks about things that are coming

504
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 2: out of the sky. Again, this sounds a little crazy,

505
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: but you know, do we have the security on lock

506
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: when everything is literally shut down.

507
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 7: And the snap the snap benefits. Yet there are kids hungry.

508
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 7: One thing you speak of transparency, Stephanie, and you know

509
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 7: largely a lack thereof. But one silver lining in these sars,

510
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 7: in these suspicious activity reports is the fact that more specific,

511
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 7: concrete information is coming out. One of the biggest Wall

512
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 7: Street names was a billionaire, Leon Black, who is a

513
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 7: longtime associate of Epstein, and he maintains, oh, all of

514
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 7: the money that transacted between them is because Ebstein gave

515
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 7: him such great financial advice, because we know in a

516
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 7: great pedigree Jeffrey Epstein has being not even a college graduate.

517
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 7: And then also, and this name has come up so

518
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 7: many times, there's suspicious transactions between a hedge fund manager

519
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 7: named Glenn Dubin lawyer Alan Dershowitz and the trust control

520
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 7: by the retail tycoon Leslie Wexner, whose name we mentioned

521
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 7: many times. And again a lot of the money and

522
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 7: this is not speculation, was tied up and came from

523
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 7: Leslie Wexner. Epstein was his. I just lost the word

524
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 7: had a power of attorney over some of Leslie Wexner's buildings.

525
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Speaker 3: It's insane. He just has a crist on nothing.

526
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein didn't even graduate college. So let's keep in

527
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: mind this fancy financier who was apparently very charismatic and

528
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: a bit of a mathematician genius. People said he was

529
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 2: a real man genius. I would assume. So this guy's

530
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 2: breaking in the money. But why is he getting so

531
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: much money? Why would he possibly have the ability? Les

532
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 2: Wexner had billions of dollars and still does. He's a

533
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: living man. Why are you just handing over the keys

534
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 2: to Jeffrey Epstein. What does Jeffrey Epstein have on you?

535
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: Why is everybody just handing the keys to Jeffrey Epstein?

536
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: Why is Gelay Maxwell getting sort of a cushy free pass.

537
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 2: Obviously there is stuff out there being used against key

538
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: players that are decision makers in this and maybe it's financial. Wow,

539
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: I'm trying to find this one quote, and honestly that

540
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: my notes are just very dense, but it is. I'm

541
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: so frustrated that I can't find it.

542
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 5: Well, you're passionate about this, so yeah, Well it's this guy.

543
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 2: Named Jess Staley, and basically he was one of the

544
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: top officials at one point at JP Morgan who was

545
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: handling all of the Epstein stuff.

546
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Speaker 3: And he actually resigned in twenty twenty one, but.

547
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: He basically has this email exchange where he basically says

548
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: to Epstein, I'm paraphrasing, but this is the general gist

549
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: quote that was fun. Please say hi to this in

550
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: a white for me. And then Epstein says, what character

551
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: would you like to be next time? And then the

552
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: response was beauty and the beast? Oh my gosh, end quote. Listen,

553
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: we're a little bit knee deep and in the weeds

554
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: on Jeffrey Epstein, and you know this document dump about

555
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: JP Morgan and Barkley's bank and what's next and where

556
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: else do we have to look and who else do

557
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: we have to discuss this with to really get some answers.

558
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: So again, it does feel like it's heating up a

559
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: little bit. Many people are saying, oh, distraction, distraction, distractions,

560
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: that's happening left, right and sideways because they don't want

561
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: this hungresswoman to be sworn in because she'll be the

562
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 2: two hundred and eighteenth signature and therefore the files will

563
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: have to be released. Even though some of these bank

564
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 2: statements wild sealed are beginning to reveal a lot, and

565
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: a big part of that is money talks and money silences.

566
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 7: I wonder if we should try and get a forensic

567
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 7: accountant on. I've had the pleasure of interviewing they're so

568
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 7: smart and can actually lay things out really really clearly.

569
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 3: Not in this case.

570
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 7: I haven't interviewed anybody, but I don't know, just to

571
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 7: thought someone to sort of lay it out point A

572
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 7: to B and just plainly say.

573
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 5: That's a really good idea because they can speak like

574
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 5: layman's language to us correct like what these all mean?

575
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 3: Now?

576
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 5: Am I the only one that's a little fatalistic in

577
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 5: the sense that even if this congresswoman gets sworn in,

578
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 5: is she a congresswoman or senator?

579
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 3: I'm not sure anyway. I don't think she's issue yet

580
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 3: because she can't.

581
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 7: Either that's true, come up with something else. Yes, she's

582
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 7: a congresswoman elect.

583
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Speaker 3: Thank yourect Okay, thank you, someone to make sure.

584
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Speaker 2: I And it almost feels like we're paying a very

585
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: short hand game right now, like we're pushing it another day,

586
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 2: another day.

587
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always something.

588
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: I literally just saw an interview with Speaker of the

589
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: House Mike Johnson basically saying, oh, yes, of course, we're

590
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 2: gonna swear her in as soon as the government is

591
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 2: up and running. So okay, let's assume that that happens

592
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: hopefully tomorrow, so that you know, very deserving people can

593
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 2: finally get aid and there could be some food on

594
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 2: the table as we approach the holidays, in the Thanksgiving season,

595
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: and even putting that aside.

596
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Speaker 3: Or is this a possibly be like part of a cover.

597
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 3: I don't know. It don't sound wild.

598
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 5: I just feel like it's bigger than what's being told

599
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 5: to us right like this, I think there's many moving pieces,

600
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 5: and I think the Epstein situation, let's call it, because

601
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 5: it's more than just the list, like you said, right,

602
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 5: it's this financial stuff too. So the Epstein like you know,

603
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 5: situation is a big part.

604
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Speaker 2: Of it, and it's wide, and there's you know, a

605
00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: lot of yeah's going on.

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Speaker 3: N Yes, is scary?

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Speaker 7: Seventy It was funny last Actually funny is the wrong

608
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 7: word entirely. But we were kind of running out of time,

609
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 7: and you were saying that you thought. You said, yes,

610
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Speaker 7: I think that the files that they will be released soon.

611
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 7: I said I disagree, and you said something like, oh,

612
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Speaker 7: you don't believe in the truth, And I was thinking,

613
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 7: I'm like, oh, I believe in the truth. I don't

614
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 7: believe that people with this much to lose their entire

615
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 7: reputations and their power, and everyone that appears very clearly

616
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Speaker 7: to be embroiled in all of this, in all these

617
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 7: different layers, I don't think there anyone is incentivized to

618
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 7: reveal anything about themselves.

619
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Speaker 2: Yeah, to your point, incentivized, Maybe that's the ticket here. Yeah,

620
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: nobody seems to care about the victims who are now

621
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: banded together to say that for decades they had been

622
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: trafficked by this maniac with a charismatic way about him,

623
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Speaker 2: and some like random, you know, guy that's just a

624
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 2: really good mathematician.

625
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 3: You know.

626
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: A little backstory on Epstein, by the way, I think

627
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 2: we've talked about this before, but he did graduate high school.

628
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 2: Were very working class family, graduated high school early because

629
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Speaker 2: he was a very excellent math student. He was advanced,

630
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: and you know, he never really got through his you know,

631
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 2: finishing degree. But yet he got that high school job,

632
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: teaching high school without a degree, and that has always

633
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,959
Speaker 2: been a very odd scenario. The person who hired him

634
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 2: was Robert Barr, Bill Barr's father. Play along here, I

635
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 2: don't know what the play along here?

636
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 3: Bill Clinton? Yes, Oh really, so, Bill Barr.

637
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 2: And this is where I get a little loss in

638
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 2: the weeds. You guys can probably follow this better than me.

639
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 2: I'm not a political person, so but I do know

640
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 2: the names. But that said, so, Bill.

641
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 3: Barr has a father.

642
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: That father was the head of a school in New

643
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: York City called Dalton, a very prestigious private school, and

644
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: that person hires Epstein to be a high school teacher. Well,

645
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 2: guess we're you know, Jeffrey Epstein and Gilly Maxwell did

646
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: all their you know, basic grooming, and was their Their

647
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 2: ticket to success was meeting influential parents and go into

648
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 2: high schools to grab some girls.

649
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Speaker 3: That was his that was his deal. Bill Barr was

650
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 3: George Bush and Trump's attorney general. I thought he had

651
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 3: something to do with Clinton. Maybe could too, I did too.

652
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 3: I'm getting old, I'm getting my decades mixed up.

653
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 2: No, I actually have that same thought too. And maybe

654
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: that's because we've heard so many conversations that you know,

655
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: Clinton's on said list, right, you know, Clinton's in a

656
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: lot of these conversations. Very few people dispute that. So again, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly,

657
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: we just don't know, because we can't make sense of

658
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 2: any of it. But boy, you look at these numbers.

659
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: Two hundred and ninety million dollars being paid out. That

660
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: is a steep number for something that has no merit.

661
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 3: More than a quarter billion dollars. Oh, can you imagine.

662
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 3: I don't know what to make of it. I don't

663
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 3: know what to make of it. So no accusations.

664
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: We're just trying to connect some of the dots and

665
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: keep the conversation alive before it gets pushed under the

666
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: rug again and again and again.

667
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: And we've said this so many times. The list must

668
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 3: be pretty wild, or this story must be so much

669
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 3: bigger than we know. But to what end?

670
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 5: And even if they're not on the list, maybe they

671
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 5: aren't on the list because well maybe they're not on

672
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 5: the list, right, but they kept quiet because they got

673
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 5: these financial incentives exactly to stay quiet. So they're not

674
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 5: they're not ever going to be on the list, right

675
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 5: because they're not. They weren't like at the island, or

676
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 5: they weren't whatever, but they benefited financial from this sex

677
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 5: trafficking scenario, right.

678
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 2: Going full Well, then, well, I mean think about that.

679
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 2: How do you sleep at night knowing so well that happening.

680
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 7: In a very expensive bed this is a lot bigger

681
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 7: than the list, right.

682
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 2: Stuff, Like like I'm not looking for there's this is

683
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 2: not like a public shaming attempt, Like we're not like,

684
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: oh my goodness, this democrat versus this Republican ha ha,

685
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: Like I think.

686
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 3: We're so past that.

687
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 2: And that's a real easy way to get lost in

688
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 2: the sauce in the story. This is a story about

689
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: victims and a lack of transparency to protect women period

690
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 2: the end, and men. By the way, this is a

691
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: worldwide operation. It seems like there's a lot of people

692
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 2: incentivized to keep it quiet. And maybe that's the bottom

693
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 2: line here, is that finances are the big smoking gun.

694
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 3: Mm hm, Yeah, I think you're right. I think I

695
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 3: think that absolutely.

696
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 7: Well, listen, we will keep following this, we will keep

697
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 7: you updated. We also really want to hear your thoughts.

698
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 7: We're at eighty and eighty three one crime. This is

699
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 7: of course true crime tonight, and we are going to

700
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 7: now dig into another case, and body's going to fill

701
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 7: us in on what's been going on with Celeste Revs.

702
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Celeste Man. Okay, So this is kind of

703
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 5: I feel like at a breaking point almost the celest

704
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 5: Revas case. I think we're kind of getting there. The

705
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 5: official investigation into Celeste Revs Hernanda's death continues, but a

706
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 5: private investigator examining David's former Hollywood Hills mansion reported finding,

707
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 5: I'm going to use quotes here items at the house

708
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 5: that would serve no purpose at a home in the

709
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 5: Hollywood Hills. They were items you would typically find on

710
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 5: a farm or farm type equipment.

711
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 3: Celeste.

712
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 5: For those that don't remember, Celeste Reevas Hernandez, she was

713
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 5: fourteen years old and she was from Lake Elsnore, California.

714
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 5: She disappeared in April of twenty twenty four, and she

715
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 5: was discovered in like a severe decomp state in David's

716
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 5: tesla fronk the trunk in the front of the tesla

717
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 5: on September eighth, twenty twenty five. Neither David nor anyone

718
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 5: else has been named as a suspect, and authorities are

719
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 5: still investigating the manner and cause of death. So the

720
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 5: cause of death has still been deferred. Excuse me, I'm

721
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 5: expecting that to be updated. We any day now, any

722
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 5: day now, because we're.

723
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Speaker 3: Read at that level.

724
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Speaker 5: So private investigator Steve Fisher, he was hired by the

725
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 5: Hollywood Hills homeowner because again this was like a rental

726
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 5: that David was staying at. Well, Steve Fisher is investigating

727
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 5: for this property owner because David broke his lease and

728
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 5: moved out of the house amid this police probe. Steve

729
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 5: Fisher examined the home after law enforcement had conducted their

730
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 5: own search and claimed to have found items that would

731
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 5: serve no purpose in that home. Again, this farm type

732
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 5: equipment or things that would be found on a farm

733
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Speaker 5: or farm type environment.

734
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Speaker 2: And just to paint a picture where this house is,

735
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: it is far from a farm. Okay, So this is

736
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 2: the Hollywood Hills. It's right behind Chateau Marmont, that very

737
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 2: famous hotel that you've seen in movies. There's it's, you know,

738
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: pretty iconic, right off of Sunset Boulevard. It's you know,

739
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 2: it's like you can walk to all the cool bars

740
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: and nightclubs if you're a Los Angeles party.

741
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 5: I think David's home in Texas, the one that he

742
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 5: recently transferred to like his mom, I think one of

743
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 5: them was like a kind of like a farm style

744
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 5: kind of house.

745
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: I think that's an interesting point.

746
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 2: So possibly some of pice equipment comes from that house,

747
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 2: and maybe this is part of his background.

748
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 5: And yes, well and Steve Fisher, Yeah, Steve Fisher did

749
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 5: say that just because he had these items doesn't make him,

750
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 5: you know, responsible for something. And we don't know what

751
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 5: these items are, right, we can speculate what they are,

752
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 5: but we have no idea what they are. Like I

753
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 5: have never been on a farm. I don't know what

754
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 5: kind of farm I'm picturing, like a tractor or something,

755
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 5: but obviously it's not something like that, right, I mean, well.

756
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 7: You don't know, because the allegation is, you know, potentially

757
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 7: could be used to move a body.

758
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 3: It could be a a hole.

759
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 2: Or tried media change or like it's one of those

760
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 2: you know where you you know, you take dirt.

761
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 3: This is pathetic that we're.

762
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 7: It's a wheelbarrow, wheelbarrow.

763
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, maybe maybe something like that. Yeah, no, that's

764
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 5: actually probably more.

765
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Speaker 2: And by the way, you can live in the city

766
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 2: and not have leaves, and it is far from illegal

767
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 2: to have a.

768
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 3: Rate for example, just for sure.

769
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Speaker 5: And that was that's something that Steve was saying, you know, like,

770
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 5: just because he had these items doesn't mean that he's

771
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 5: you know, a criminal or something and he had anything

772
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 5: to do with it. The discovery, and Fisher's comments have

773
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 5: drawn public attention, although he's he stated that he's not

774
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 5: publicizing this information for the public, but he's you know,

775
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 5: I need this information to let certain people know that

776
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 5: he knows. And listen. Steve can be a controversial guy.

777
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 5: You know, I've I've watched him on a lot of cases.

778
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 5: But he's undeniably effective, so you know, he he does

779
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 5: things for a reason.

780
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 8: He does reason describe anything at all about the items.

781
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 5: Okay, now, and I did not ask. I mean, this

782
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 5: is you know, big, a big deal.

783
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 7: So I don't know if either of you know anything

784
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 7: beyond face value. But I was curious when he said

785
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 7: it was not meant for the public. It was meant

786
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 7: to let certain people know that I know. Does that

787
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 7: mean that this information quote slipped out on accident?

788
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 3: No, he made He made this.

789
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 5: He tweeted this, you know about the farm type equipment

790
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 5: or farm you know item skier. And somebody replied to

791
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 5: his tweet and said, oh, come on, just you know,

792
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 5: stop playing these games and just tell us what you found.

793
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 5: And he said, I'm not telling you this for you

794
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 5: to know. I'm telling you this. I'm paraphrasing. I'm telling

795
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 5: you this to let certain people know that.

796
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 8: I know.

797
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 5: Ah, so we're gonna have to stand by and see

798
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 5: what it means. But I do think he's putting pressure

799
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 5: on the on the people that he suspects and maybe

800
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,959
Speaker 5: not aren't suspects, but maybe no information about what's going

801
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 5: on and what happened with Celeste, you know, because he

802
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 5: wants answers. You know, he's very passionate about this kind

803
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 5: of stuff. He really, he truly is. And again he's

804
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 5: a missing person's investigator normally, but I really think that

805
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 5: hit that background because Celeste was missing right right, and

806
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 5: I think he maybe took this approach of this victimology

807
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 5: and uh, you know he's getting he's finding things that

808
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 5: the police left behind, you know, like this farm type

809
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 5: I'm you know, equipment of some kind. So yeah, I

810
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 5: don't know, We're going to stand by and see, but

811
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 5: you know, I follow this very closely. Again, David has

812
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 5: not been named to suspect. Police did raid the Hollywood

813
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 5: home linked to David, but no charges have been filed.

814
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 5: No suspect has been named, and Los Angeles County Medical

815
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 5: Examiner's Office has not rolled out the possibility of an

816
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 5: accidental death too that's something we have to mind.

817
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 3: Now.

818
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,479
Speaker 5: It could have been an accidental death, of course, yeah,

819
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 5: you know, abuse of corpse as a crime, right like

820
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 5: that would be something that would be criminal. But that

821
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 5: doesn't mean that they were responsible for her death, right,

822
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 5: So I don't know.

823
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 3: We got to see what happens with.

824
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: Tox And much disrespect must you have for the world

825
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 2: if somebody loses their life in your presence, and rather

826
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 2: than calling authorities and doing the right thing, you decide

827
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 2: to toss her in a trunk, right, I mean, just

828
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 2: relieve her fifteen year old body turning. Fifteen year old

829
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 2: body turning and a trunk, which is like, you know,

830
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: a trunk for a tesla. They call it a trunk.

831
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: It's not some weird term. Every time we say it, it

832
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 2: sounds so strange. But imagine and then you just leave

833
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 2: the car on the side of the road and walk away.

834
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: Whoever did that? I mean, come on, I am taught

835
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 2: you that are.

836
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 3: The callous consideration for human life.

837
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 6: But that said, and.

838
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 3: This is entirely a made up scenario.

839
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 7: But it happens when people are say partying or drugs

840
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 7: are around and people panic and then people, you know,

841
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 7: people drop their dearest friend off on the side of the.

842
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 3: Street because they don't want to be involved. Right again,

843
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 3: I have no idea.

844
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: And drop your dearest friend off at the hospital at

845
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 2: the East Peel and a trunk to decompose. I mean,

846
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 2: this is a human Maybe she could have been saved.

847
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll stick around next we have some J. Carrow information.

848
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 2: Do you remember baby Emmanuel course the California father. He's

849
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 2: been convicted in the death of a seven month old son, Emmanuel.

850
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 2: He learned his fate in court today And don't forget

851
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 2: to call us at eighty eight thirty one Crime to

852
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Speaker 2: share your thoughts with.

853
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Speaker 5: Us tonight on any of Tonight's stories.

854
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Speaker 3: Keep her Hair a true grim time.

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00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,960
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864
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 2: there's still plenty to unpack.

865
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Speaker 3: Body. Where would you like to begin.

866
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Speaker 5: Well, let's talk about Immanuel Horrow and his father Jacame this,

867
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 5: I mean, it's a sad thing to talk about, right,

868
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 5: but Jake Harrow was sentenced today to twenty five years

869
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 5: to life for the murder of his little baby seven

870
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 5: month you're seven month old, Emmanual, along with prison time

871
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 5: and fines for other offenses. Emmanuel Horrow was reported missing.

872
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 5: Do you remember the Big Five? His mom said. His

873
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 5: mom said that she was attacked at the Big Five

874
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 5: and knocked out, but and somebody said, oh lah and

875
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 5: like behavior, you know, knocked her out and when she

876
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 5: woke up, her baby was gone.

877
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 3: Remember it was this was a couple of months ago.

878
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 6: Oh one hundred percent.

879
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 7: So it started with an entirely produced to be a

880
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 7: story by mom.

881
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 3: Right which was sickening. So it was so sickening and

882
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 3: it makes me.

883
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 5: So mad right now, I know. So he was reported

884
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 5: missing in August. This was a god, it seems like

885
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 5: a long like so much longer ago. This was just

886
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 5: an August after his mother claimed she was assaulted while

887
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 5: caring for him. J Carrow, his father, who had a

888
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 5: prior history of severely abusing another child, his daughter. He

889
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 5: pled guilty to second degree murder and related charges. He's

890
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 5: thirty two years old. He was ordered to pay more

891
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 5: than twenty thousand dollars in fines and court fees, despite

892
00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 5: his defense arguing he's indignant or indignant, he's been god indigent.

893
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 5: That was worth the correct I can't sell me today.

894
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 3: Okay, did I have a cocktail?

895
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 2: No, but it's also November third. That's riconds, that's true.

896
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 2: That's true.

897
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 3: So he during sentencing he did like, you know, the.

898
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 5: The Holy you know, the Sign of the Cross. I

899
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 5: couldn't think for a second and cried and uh, you know,

900
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 5: I was watching it on court TV, and I was like,

901
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 5: he's not crying enough to me. But he did enter

902
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 5: this guilty plea on October sixteenth. He had previously paid

903
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 5: not guilty alongside his wife, Rebecca. So Rebecca Harrow has

904
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 5: maintained a not guilty plea and is expected to go

905
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 5: to trial. So I mean, obviously she knows what's going on,

906
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 5: because she's the one who was like, oh my my

907
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 5: son was taken from me. That never happened.

908
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 2: With Rebecca, who she's making up this insane lie. She's

909
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 2: wasting authorities time her beautiful, perfect son.

910
00:49:58,880 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 9: Right.

911
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 2: You know many children, how I wanted, how so many

912
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: would do anything to have a perfect, beautiful six month

913
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 2: old child, and these parents just tossed that away. And

914
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 2: by the way, he had a checkered past, right, this

915
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 2: is not his first rodeo at mistreating a young person,

916
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 2: including his daughter from a previous marriage.

917
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 3: Am I, I'm not I'm not just talking about that way.

918
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 3: You're very mad. And she's not able.

919
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 8: To walk because of the abuse that is alone from

920
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 8: in the past with him. Yeah, And so.

921
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 2: I continues to go on and has the nerve to

922
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 2: shed a tear in front of the judge.

923
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 3: Are you hitting me?

924
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 2: So you've already left one girl already with a disabled life,

925
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 2: and she's very able. Of course I don't mean that

926
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 2: in any other way, but she should not be dealing

927
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 2: with the issues that she's being forced to because of

928
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 2: her father. Right, And then he goes on gets another baby,

929
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 2: and this is the ending a way to keep.

930
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 5: Well and throw the key on both of them. He

931
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 5: still hasn't been found either. Oh, he has not been found.

932
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 5: His remains have not been located.

933
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 8: And you would think the father would at least at

934
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 8: this point. Now say this is where the body is.

935
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 8: Let me just come clean.

936
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, crying because he cares about his son.

937
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 2: He's crying, got the cross because he's got caught and

938
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 2: he's going to prison. And you know who doesn't do

939
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 2: so well behind bars is a man who hurt his babies.

940
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'm not shedding any tears over that now.

941
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 5: Emmanuel's maternal grandmother, Mary Boshausen, she addressed the court and

942
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 5: she described this lasting emotional impact on her family and

943
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 5: urged a lengthy sentence saying she did not want him

944
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 5: given another chance. Good And I agree with that. You know,

945
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 5: he did get another chance with his daughter because the

946
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 5: judge gave him a life, really light sentence and then

947
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 5: took it off and gave him like probation. So I

948
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 5: think that the judge definitely kept that in mind. I mean,

949
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 5: but it's murder, like he's playing guilty to murder. At

950
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 5: this point, Courtney's.

951
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 3: Literally cheering right now. No, I know, that's so upsetting.

952
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 3: That's so upsetting.

953
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 2: This is like we should all just do like a

954
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 2: like we have to clear the air.

955
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 3: We need stage. Yeah, I'm really sorry.

956
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry for anyone who loved Emmanuel, and this

957
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 2: is a miscarriage of justice. And Rebecca, if you are listening,

958
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 2: you need to step up and do the right thing

959
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:26,959
Speaker 2: and share where those remains are.

960
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, so let's switch.

961
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 5: Let's switch topics to something a little lighter.

962
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 3: Can we talk about a crockpot or something?

963
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 2: Well, we a little riled up today all this victims talk,

964
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 2: and it's yeah, it's just it's just so, it's so

965
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: deadly sad.

966
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 3: It's just so sad.

967
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 7: And like you said, all of the children in this

968
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 7: world who are wanted.

969
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 3: Waste.

970
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 7: But I don't have a crock pot story for you,

971
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 7: but I do have a Crown.

972
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 3: Jewel story for you.

973
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 6: We push forward, excuse me.

974
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 7: Four suspects have now been formally charged in the one

975
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 7: hundred plus million dollar Louver jewel heist, and recently it

976
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 7: was a thirty seven year old man and his thirty

977
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 7: eight year old partner, But authorities say there's at least

978
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 7: still one active participant at large, and the stolen jewels

979
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 7: have yet to be recovered. So this was this happened

980
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 7: back on October nineteenth. You guys, remember, gang of four

981
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 7: thieves did this seven minute daylight robbery at the louver

982
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 7: at nine am on a Sunday morning, and the two

983
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 7: recently charged suspects. They deny involvement. They have children together

984
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 7: and were placed under formal investigation for organized theft and

985
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 7: criminal conspiracy, but it has not shaken out entirely. However,

986
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 7: DNA does link. DNA links do confirm three suspects involvement

987
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 7: in the hest and that includes traces that were found

988
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 7: on the gate getaway scooters and that mechanical cherry picker

989
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 7: that went up to the gallery when they walked into

990
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 7: the louver and what seems like pretty easily stole these

991
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 7: irreplaceable goods. So it's very interesting. The Paris prosecutor has

992
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 7: emphasized that the suspects appeared to be petty criminals.

993
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 3: They appear to be blue collar workers.

994
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 7: I mean, I had George Clooney in my mind, you know,

995
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 7: with Brad Pitt waiting in a fast car.

996
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 3: But no, that that does not appear to be the case.

997
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 5: I have to say that's a little, a little, I

998
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 5: don't want to say disappointing, because it's like, Okay, good

999
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 5: for you that you're a blue collar worker and you're

1000
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 5: able to pull this off, you know, but you got caught,

1001
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 5: but I kind of wanted it to be like the

1002
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 5: MENI mystery a little bit, right, like I.

1003
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 2: Don't know why, and yeah, a bad person that I think.

1004
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 3: It's interesting that one of them is a woman.

1005
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, absolutely, that's I's so interesting.

1006
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, but you guys were talking about a thirty five

1007
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 7: year old former garbage collector, and he's the one who

1008
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 7: was arrested trying to board a plane for Algeria. And

1009
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 7: then there's a thirty nine year old taxi driver also

1010
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 7: arrested October twenty fifth, that was at his home in

1011
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 7: a suburb of Paris. There is another twenty excuse me,

1012
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 7: thirty seven year old man whose DNA was found on

1013
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 7: the mechanical lift brings us to three. And then the

1014
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 7: thirty eight year old woman, and she is a longtime

1015
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 7: partner of the guy whose day DNA was found, but

1016
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 7: she has denied involvement.

1017
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 2: Was Julia Roberts in Ocean's eleven actually a thief or

1018
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 2: she was just the love interest of George Clooney, or

1019
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 2: like the acts of George Clooney.

1020
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 7: I think I never saw any of them. What I know, Seaman,

1021
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 7: remember what I said. I don't remember details and movies like,

1022
00:55:58,719 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 7: I don't remember.

1023
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 3: I think she was an on it, though.

1024
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 8: I feel like I just been on it. I'm blanking

1025
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 8: as well. Now it's been a while.

1026
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,280
Speaker 2: I feel like she knew about it, but wasn't actually

1027
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 2: a part of the Shenanigans itself, but she didn't know

1028
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: about it and was like, listen, George Clooney, you got

1029
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,240
Speaker 2: to clean up your acts because it's nothing but trouble.

1030
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 3: It was Sandra Bullock you're thinking of.

1031
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 2: Maybe in Ocean's eighty thousand it was Sandra Bullock and

1032
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 2: Kate Blanchett. Those two were at it, those two, you know,

1033
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 2: feving nightmares, were We're hitting the Sunset strip and taking names.

1034
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 7: Well, if anyone listening can shed light on just exactly

1035
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 7: what Julia Roberts's involvement was in any of these oceans

1036
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 7: you're eighted eight three one crime, give us a call,

1037
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 7: or if you want to weigh in on your Loover theories,

1038
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 7: where are the jewels? For one, where did they come?

1039
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 2: They are so long gone? Or maybe they're just like

1040
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 2: tucked under a bed. I mean, maybe it's not so sophisticated.

1041
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,760
Speaker 7: After it's literally like in the back of someone's freezer,

1042
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 7: behind the dove bars, like.

1043
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 3: You're not on right now? Get out of my freezer.

1044
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 3: How did you know?

1045
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 2: I have dove bars hitting back there. They're so good,

1046
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,720
Speaker 2: They're so good. And how much do we love Julia Roberts.

1047
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 8: Oh, we do love her and I love her? Right,

1048
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 8: she was not She wasn't one of the thieves. So

1049
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 8: I just looked it up.

1050
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 3: Oh I thought she was in on it, Julia.

1051
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, she played Danny Ocean's ex wife who was working

1052
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 8: as a curator. But she is saying her character wasn't

1053
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 8: one of the thieves. So so good for Julia.

1054
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 3: She's still good for Julia. She's still.

1055
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 5: I would love for her to play, like, to play

1056
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 5: like a really mean, like cutthroat woman one day.

1057
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't even a sure it that laugh and

1058
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 2: that smile, pretty woman the Runaway Bride when.

1059
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 3: She's running on the horse Aaron brock it, rock of it.

1060
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 3: She was so good in that. She was a hero

1061
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 3: in that one.

1062
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 5: She was you know she but she was cutthropn for

1063
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 5: all for positivity. I wanted to play like the wicked

1064
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 5: Wedge of the East or something.

1065
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 3: Well she did something, but.

1066
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 7: She Clementina in mirror mirror, Oh yeah, never see that love.

1067
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 6: So she was literally a wicked queen.

1068
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 3: Oh is that bad?

1069
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 2: I'm like type passing our Julia Roberts. I only want

1070
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 2: to see her happy and in love.

1071
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 7: Oh and sleeping with the enemy. She faced her own death,

1072
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 7: but of course she was escaping her Sonny was Sonny

1073
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 7: or something? Wasn't he abusing her and she was abusive? Yeah?

1074
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, abusing her?

1075
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then she had to go into hiding and

1076
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 2: she went to go see her grandma, but she had

1077
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 2: to wear the weird wig. And then it turns out

1078
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 2: he had been tracking her and then killed the grandma

1079
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 2: right right after she walked out the door in a wig. Right,

1080
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 2: she had that unfortunate wig though, that wig was terrible.

1081
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 2: But yeah, Julia never cut that hair. It's so beautiful.

1082
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 3: I know, that's great, Like she'd be fine with short

1083
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 3: her too.

1084
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 6: Body.

1085
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 10: Yes, Martha from again, I just heard your comment on

1086
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 10: NASA and government employees. Yes, a lot of government employees

1087
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 10: are still working on not pay, so big shout out

1088
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 10: to them, and a huge shout out to Riley.

1089
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 3: She's a star.

1090
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Speaker 10: I love murder one on one Happy Halloween.

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Speaker 9: Bye.

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Speaker 3: Love to hear that.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's so great and Riley's family is extraordinary too. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Murder one on one. If you haven't heard the podcast,

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Speaker 2: it's excellent. Please download it now on radio app Katy Studios.

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Speaker 2: We're really proud of it. Yeah, and has a very

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Speaker 2: big life ahead. And Riley is a superstar.

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Speaker 8: She's fantastic. When she told that Twilight murder story, yeah,

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Speaker 8: on the edge of my seat, like she just delivered

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Speaker 8: so well.

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Speaker 5: So she's a sweetheart too, She's really smart. She's so

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Speaker 5: she's just very caring, very careful, true young woman. So

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Speaker 5: good for Riley, yeah, and for that impact. Yeah, And

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Speaker 5: to just reiterate, shout out.

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Speaker 2: To all all all of you who are going to

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Speaker 2: work even though you are not being paid, which is

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Speaker 2: just really dumbfounding. And I know in my heart that

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Speaker 2: the snap benefits will be they have to be started

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01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 2: again and this has to end, you know, like to

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Speaker 2: what end?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean food banks are really burdened right now,

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Speaker 5: and I just keep thinking about, you know, kids going hungry,

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Speaker 5: and I don't like that. I don't care, you know,

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Speaker 5: about the parents, so you know, like whatever, but the kids.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, these people have children, right, and

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Speaker 5: so I worry about that. So if you have any

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Speaker 5: forty to your food bank, you probably shouldn't you consider

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Speaker 5: doing that if you, if you have the ability, you know,

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Speaker 5: or volunteer at least I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know the answer.

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Speaker 2: It just makes me donate, absolutely donate. Do we have

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Speaker 2: another talkback? We could jump to Hello.

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Speaker 11: My name is Cynthia and I listened in Charleston, South Carolina.

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Speaker 11: I really enjoyed last night's show, especially when you're talking

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Speaker 11: about the Froggers. It creeped me out, like all of you,

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Speaker 11: like all of you. I thought they were talking about

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Speaker 11: the video game. But then I thought about it and

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Speaker 11: I realized that frog is an acronym furnished room over garage.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but it is, but they spell it they spell

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Speaker 5: it pH and I don't know why, but I understand

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Speaker 5: the same thing for anish room over garage frog right,

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Speaker 5: But I think it was adapted from them. I think

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Speaker 5: it was adapted from that acronym. It's it's people that

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Speaker 5: live in the walls, is what ens now. But yeah,

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Speaker 5: crazy right now.

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Speaker 8: I saw someone on TikTok that was saying, it's really

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Speaker 8: because it's almost like a frog that leaps from one

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Speaker 8: lily pat to the next, or leaps from one place

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Speaker 8: to the next.

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Speaker 3: But it's called camping, like that's a fun thing. Like

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Speaker 3: what about that? Like what about pitching up a tent?

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Speaker 3: Why would you possibly want to be in.

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Speaker 8: A wall because it's probably warmer inside, you know that

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Speaker 8: one person that directed the whole time.

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Speaker 5: No, they're not really living in the wall. I mean

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Speaker 5: they're living in a secret room or a you know,

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01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 5: a room above, you know, like an attic or basement

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01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 5: and yeah, but I think that the wall situation is

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Speaker 5: just what they used.

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Speaker 8: To do or something I don't know.

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Speaker 3: M Oh my goodness. There is a very scary case.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to pull it up during the break of

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Speaker 2: the man was living in the wall and he had

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Speaker 2: to stand Remember Gabe's here, Oh my god.

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Speaker 7: Oh okay, yeah, well, Gabe's going to be on the

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Speaker 7: air after the break. We're going to learn all about that.

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Speaker 7: We have much more. We have talkbacks, we have dms.

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Speaker 7: True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie here with the

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Speaker 2: Courtney and Body and listen. We've been getting a lot

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Speaker 2: of dms, so we want to make sure that we're

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01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 2: not leaving those out, and I definitely want to make

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Speaker 2: sure we get through some more talkbacks tonight as well.

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Speaker 2: But as a reminder, tomorrow is Tuesday. So keep them coming,

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Speaker 2: keep them coming, and keep them coming. Just leave a voicemail.

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01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 2: You can leave a talkback day or night, even if

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Speaker 2: you're listening as a podcast. It does not have to

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Speaker 2: be live. And we really want to hear you, really

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Speaker 2: want to hear your opinions. So Taha is going to

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Speaker 2: do some I guess it's like a poetic reading or

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Speaker 2: an interpretation of some of the d ms.

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Speaker 3: Oh me and me, a dramatic reading. We should do

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Speaker 3: a drama.

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, he's got the flash.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, like on the Andy Cohen Show. Exactly,

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Speaker 2: watch live put them yes, yay. So he's going to

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Speaker 2: be some of the d ms to us and in

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Speaker 2: your in your best possible.

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Speaker 8: Way, Taha, I'm gonna try. Can I can I do

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Speaker 8: a little interpretive dance as I just you guys will

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Speaker 8: see that that was a little vogue there. Well know

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Speaker 8: to your point, Stephanie, we get so many great talkbacks,

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Speaker 8: which I love. I love the talkbacks the most, but

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Speaker 8: a lot of people have been sliding to our d ms,

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Speaker 8: so I thought, maybe this is our chance to write,

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Speaker 8: to go over a few. And of course, just you know,

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Speaker 8: Ava and Whitney, we all picked some of these, so

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Speaker 8: this wasn't just me, okay, So this was a teammates.

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Speaker 3: Were cherry picking. How do we know what the okay?

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Speaker 3: But we should get through all of them.

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Speaker 8: We're going to go through. We are going to go

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Speaker 8: through a bunch. But this first one I think you'll

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Speaker 8: like because this is something that you'll find interesting. This

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Speaker 8: one comes from Tangya and she's in Nashville. And Tanya says,

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Speaker 8: I'm listening to Sunday's episode and you all were discussing chili. Well,

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Speaker 8: now that Stephanie is in nash in the Nashville area,

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Speaker 8: she can go to Sonic and get a chili pie.

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Speaker 8: It's free, do's chili and cheese. Not sure if the

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Speaker 8: rest of you have Sonic in your world. We do

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Speaker 8: think chili pie is great on a cold day.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know Sonic had chili pies. I wonder if

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Speaker 3: they do everywhere.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes those franchises are like, you know, it depends on

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Speaker 5: where you live and what they got or whatever.

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Speaker 3: In and out.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna have to look because I really liked.

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Speaker 3: That chili pie I had. You have to try it. Stuff.

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Speaker 2: It's delicious, so a little the most boring topic in

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Speaker 2: the history of topics. I have celiac, so I can

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Speaker 2: never eat at any of the fun delicious places, like

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Speaker 2: I think Sonic being one of them. Frito's I'm a

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Speaker 2: sucker for because they are gluten free. I haven't had

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Speaker 2: Snickers in so long because I thought they weren't, But

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Speaker 2: turns out I think they are. Oh wow, and so

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Speaker 2: are M and MS.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So for the I'm digressing. So anyway, back to

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Speaker 3: the chili.

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Speaker 2: So I usually I can't go to a lot of

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Speaker 2: the fast food places because of this, you know, cross

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Speaker 2: contamination of gluten.

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Speaker 3: Everybody just fell asleep? Should I talk more about? Well right,

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Speaker 3: everybody just not it all. I'm taking Sam. Sam's head

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Speaker 3: is on it.

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Speaker 2: Should we talk about, you know, some of the personal solves.

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Speaker 2: How I've lived to tell the tale? But no, I

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Speaker 2: can't go to Sonic. Is the downside.

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Speaker 3: But a great call, and it sounds so delicious. I

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Speaker 3: have to make it in my crock pot, sample it

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01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 3: for you and let you know. That tomorrow. Maybe we

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Speaker 3: can get that for Courtney Armstrong's birthday. A sonic party.

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Speaker 6: It's jili, it's all around. It will sounds so good

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Speaker 6: on the radio.

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Speaker 3: There's not one by my house. I have to drive

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Speaker 3: kind of far to get to get one. Plan it

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Speaker 3: might be worth it. So it's great suggest question though,

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Speaker 3: thank you for it, and you.

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Speaker 8: Want to hear another. I want another d M all right,

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01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 8: this one ironic. This one is about true crime and chill.

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01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 8: Maybe we'll start calling it true crime and chili. But

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Speaker 8: this is one of our true crime and chill picks.

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Speaker 8: I stole that joke from Courtney so practicing earlier today

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Speaker 8: wait to see our dance moment that's coming up next.

1245
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 8: But actually is responding to remember when we watched the

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Speaker 8: Unknown Number. I know, Stephanie, how you felt about it.

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Speaker 2: Not today, Kendra today is not today, and by the

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Speaker 2: way that tracks Kendra, not today.

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Speaker 6: Not today.

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Speaker 8: But Alicia had this to say about it. I'm responding

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Speaker 8: to the segment where we all were saddened by the

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Speaker 8: young girl that learned her mother was being texted. Was

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Speaker 8: the texture. When law enforcement goes to a scene, they

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Speaker 8: respond with law enforcement lenses. As a social worker. This

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Speaker 8: makes my job makes me cringe, But my job is

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Speaker 8: strength based and to respond trauma. Don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 8: I've been on scenes with the most compassionate officers, but unfortunately,

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Speaker 8: because he is trained for public safety, he would not

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Speaker 8: have been able to respond in the way we would

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Speaker 8: have expected. We need to get the purp out of

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Speaker 8: the home. As a social worker, I would have asked

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Speaker 8: to have the child removed and then let the dad

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Speaker 8: try to sit with her once mom was out of

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Speaker 8: the house. She would have been upset regardless, but it's

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Speaker 8: unfortunate that she was told in that manner. But I

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Speaker 8: really wanted to throat punch the mama because that's the

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Speaker 8: bronx in me. The social work in me wants to

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Speaker 8: hug this.

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Speaker 3: Poor child too. I did a throat punch her too.

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Speaker 3: By the way, here's the bronx right.

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Speaker 9: Down.

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Speaker 3: That's all you need. But it's so true.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, no shade to the I don't think to

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Speaker 2: law enforcement per se. It's really to Kendra. Kendra's Christy

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Speaker 2: mom did a very bad thing and took no accountability

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01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 2: and it was just the weird mom resting her daughter

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Speaker 2: when she was basically like, yeah, I'm the one who

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Speaker 2: has been traumatizing you.

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Speaker 3: All this ruining your life up and I'm still consoling you.

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Speaker 2: I know, that's very complicated, and yeah, it's a really

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01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 2: good point. Law enforcement has a very specific job, which

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Speaker 2: is safety first. But in a perfect world, cameras would

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Speaker 2: maybe would not have been rolling.

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Speaker 3: Was that bodycam footage? Yeah, yeah, I like body.

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Speaker 8: But I agree. But anyway, that that one was a

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Speaker 8: hard one to digest, to see that all unfold.

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Speaker 2: But even weirder is that Kendra was doing the weird

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Speaker 2: scenes you know in the beginning when like all of

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Speaker 2: the you know, people that were in the documentary were

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Speaker 2: obviously doing their like little hero shots, you know, like

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Speaker 2: they're on the Real Housewives, but like this was very

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Speaker 2: abusive and I just thought it was so weird and

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Speaker 2: tone depth.

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Speaker 6: It wasn't just the beginning, it was the end.

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01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 7: When she was Kendra continued telling the story third party,

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Speaker 7: it was like, well, when this thing happened to my

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Speaker 7: water as this thing was unfolding, it's like, no, heffers up.

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Speaker 5: The window, like the rain is like, it's very it

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Speaker 5: was very thick to me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, discuss that was that.

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Speaker 8: Was a hard one. But we have a better one

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Speaker 8: that we're.

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Speaker 5: Well, this one's going to make you all mad as well.

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Speaker 5: The Perfect Neighbor. That's our next true crime and Chill

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Speaker 5: and to make I.

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Speaker 8: Did okay, good, good, good, go ahead, keep.

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Speaker 5: Going infuriating, right, it's infuriating in a different way, but

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Speaker 5: it's it's it's all body cam footage, so it's kind

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Speaker 5: of that similar vibe that our DM or was you know,

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Speaker 5: sick talking about. So that's going to be for Wednesday show,

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Speaker 5: So make sure you're all caught up on that. It's

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Speaker 5: like a really short documentary but it's all body cam

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Speaker 5: footage and it's called a Perfect Neighbor and it's on Netflix.

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Speaker 3: To make sure that we're all lit.

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Speaker 8: It's really well done. Definitely have you seen that one yet?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: You have?

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Speaker 8: Okay, so we've all watched it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it makes me so mad. Also, oh yeah, I

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01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:03,679
Speaker 3: was furious. Yeah, why are we watching such infuriating things?

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Speaker 3: Is true crime and Chili is making me crazy? Crazy

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01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 3: making and we have crazy making jobs.

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Speaker 2: But then you go to like watch it's the opposite

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Speaker 2: of chill. I want to, I want to I want

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Speaker 2: to throw a punch.

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Speaker 8: Our future might have to be we'll have we'll have

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Speaker 8: to come up true crime.

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Speaker 3: So it's kind of impossible to find something lighthearted. And

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Speaker 3: I was just going to say, what I mean.

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Speaker 8: Let's what about movies, maybe like a film version of

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Speaker 8: something like.

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Speaker 6: The folks who did the Cruise and others.

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Speaker 7: Those are a different vibe and and they are under

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Speaker 7: the guys.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we're gonna we're watch American Nightmare. That was a

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01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 3: good one. I don't know that people who did my

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01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 3: documentary did that one was so I watched that this weekend.

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Speaker 3: It's really good. But somebody know where I'm off track from.

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01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:58,560
Speaker 3: I watched The Alien One last night? Oh how was that?

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01:11:58,720 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 5: Oh?

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01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 3: How was a eating? It's so good.

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Speaker 5: It's so good though, it is so good. It's all

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01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:08,599
Speaker 5: archival footage. It's excellent.

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Speaker 3: It's very.

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Speaker 8: To Stephanie's point, I'm gonna have to figure out some

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Speaker 8: kind of balance where we get some lighter things in

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Speaker 8: the next.

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Speaker 2: I listen, I just like we just made the Idaho

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01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 2: student murders. Coming off of that, it's been twenty four

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Speaker 2: to seven of such darkness.

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Speaker 3: I want some justice.

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Speaker 8: Okay.

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01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 2: You know, frankly, I didn't think The Perfect Neighbor was

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Speaker 2: such a justice driven project. It's important and thank god

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01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 2: we're talking about it, and of course we will on

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Speaker 2: Wednesday to the oath degree.

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Speaker 3: But you know, it makes me sad.

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Speaker 5: I really want to watch the Alabama One's a prison, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But I think that one's going to be just hute too. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be interstating.

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Speaker 6: I feel like, once again we do crime. It's really

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01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 6: hard to figure out it's about.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where the line is exactly. I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: as nebulous, I recognize, but we can't scream at the TV,

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Speaker 2: I you know, but that's what I end up doing.

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Speaker 8: I don't mind watching them because I know I have

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Speaker 8: you guys like I can balance it off with afterwards.

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Speaker 8: So as much as I get frustrated, it sometimes makes

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Speaker 8: me feel better when I'm like, okay, great, other people

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Speaker 8: do agree with me and we all feel the same way.

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Speaker 8: So there's something cathartic about being able to watch it

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Speaker 8: and talk to you guys about it. But anyway, that

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01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 8: being said, Sam has something he wants to suggest that

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Speaker 8: we watched.

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Speaker 3: Sam, have you heard of this movie called Bernie Bernie?

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01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 12: It's with Jack black Off.

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Speaker 3: His name? Is it a comedy?

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Speaker 12: It's sort of it's based off this guy Bernie Tied

1379
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 12: or something in that vein. It's about this guy who

1380
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 12: he was this house keeper kind of and then when

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Speaker 12: he like snapped it and it was this indie movie

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01:13:56,560 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 12: that came out around two thy and eleven and made by.

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Speaker 1: Later.

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01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:12,560
Speaker 8: Yes, all right, all right, maybe than you.

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Speaker 3: I love Jack Black, by the way. It's so funny.

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01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 3: Everything he does makes me laugh tenaciously.

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Speaker 8: Yes, we can add that. All right, Well, thank you, Sam,

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01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:23,640
Speaker 8: I appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay.

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01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 8: How will we feel about a positive d M it

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01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:31,680
Speaker 8: they're sending some love your way? How about this one?

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01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 8: This is from Jim. Jim says, Hi, Stephanie high body

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01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 8: high Courtney. This is Jim from southern California?

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01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:42,600
Speaker 5: Does he usually he Yeah, from southern cal because he

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01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 5: he's always very sweet.

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Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I think he might.

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Speaker 8: It might be the same Jim. I'm gonna say, I'm

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01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 8: gonna go with that and hopefully. But what he does

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01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 8: say is, you guys are terrific. I love how you

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01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 8: all truly share humor, thoughts, and your feelings and by

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01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 8: doing so lift many of your listeners spirits. Of course,

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01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 8: true crime often takes us to dark places, but your

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01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 8: empathy and love of others helps lead us back into

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01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 8: the light. I love the show and I haven't missed

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01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 8: even one.

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01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:14,520
Speaker 3: Jim.

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01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 5: I feel like that's him, because that's called Jim.

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01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 3: Do you leave his number? Let's call him. I know, Jim,

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01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 3: you know what we should do.

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01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 2: First of all, I don't know what happened to our

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01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 2: hero segments. But when are we paying those forwards? And

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01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 2: when are we going to have some good news? And

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01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:35,479
Speaker 2: maybe we should start getting some pre thanksgiving some things

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01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,639
Speaker 2: that we're thankful for. To break it up, I'm thankful

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01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 2: for you, and I'm thankful for you guys too, and

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01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 2: I'm thankful for Jim. And by the way, if we

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01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 2: we get to the place, because it happens right and

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01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 2: even as for all of us collected around the kitchen

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01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 2: table in the sound of our voices, anyone listening, Jim included,

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01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,719
Speaker 2: sometimes we need like a little palette cleanser, and maybe

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01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 2: then we go to a talk back about somebody's thankful thoughts.

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Speaker 3: I'm down. I'm in my holiday tradition.

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01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, I usually on.

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01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 5: My social media right before Thanksgiving, I do ten days

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Speaker 5: of thankfulness and I do a video every day of

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01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:10,640
Speaker 5: things I'm thankful for.

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01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 3: Let's do it.

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01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 5: We could start maybe we could start that, like you know,

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01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:17,680
Speaker 5: incorporate like a version of that, like every day of

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01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 5: us says something we're thankful for for like fifteen days

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01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 5: or something.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with Julia Roberts. I'm thankful, thank you. By

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01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 2: the way, you guys both have Julia Roberts hair, so

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01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 2: that is, you know, I'm thankful to get to look

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01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:31,680
Speaker 2: at your Julia Roberts.

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Speaker 3: Hair on both of you.

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01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 6: That is very flattering and very untrue in this moment.

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01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:36,720
Speaker 6: But listen, I'll take it.

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01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 5: You know, anything that compares me to Julia Roberts, I

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01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:41,560
Speaker 5: just want to hear more of because.

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01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,679
Speaker 8: Since you're talking Thanksgiving and we were talking about chili earlier,

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01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 8: does everyone have a favorite Thanksgiving dish that they're looking.

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01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 3: Forward mashed potatoes and gravy and staying over.

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01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 8: Did not miss a beat?

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01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 5: You were like, I'm my favorite. Yeah, I don't even

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01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 5: need the turkey, I just want the stuffing and the taters,

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01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 5: saying yeah, I'm with your car. And then every year

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01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:05,680
Speaker 5: I make a banana pudding. It's delicious. It's kind of

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01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:08,599
Speaker 5: like my dish that I make and it's so good.

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01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 5: And I do the wafers and all that.

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01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:10,640
Speaker 8: I love it.

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01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:17,639
Speaker 3: Oh that's I don't think so nothing good gluten free.

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01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 3: I don't think.

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01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 5: Well it might, I mean there might be gluten free wafers.

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01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 5: I don't think the wafers are.

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01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 8: Gluten free though, Courtney, what about you? What's yours?

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Speaker 13: Uh?

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01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 7: Stuffing? The stuffing, stuffing. I make really good stuffing. It's

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01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:30,719
Speaker 7: Mien's recipe.

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01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:31,560
Speaker 6: All of us make it.

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01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 7: It is the freaking best. And then the mashed potatoes too.

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01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 7: I break my rice aer out. I make them good

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Speaker 7: and proper.

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01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 3: You break the rier out.

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Speaker 7: This is the Irish speaking. I think ricer So you

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01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 7: don't get gluey mashed potatoes. You put the boiled potatoes

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Speaker 7: through a riser instead of mashing them.

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01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:58,679
Speaker 5: It's a makes some smooth, right, it makes some smooth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I could live off of mashed potato me too.

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Speaker 7: Warm the milk and the butter and the saucepan while

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Speaker 7: it's there, it's so delicte saucepan.

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Speaker 11: You know, fa.

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Speaker 2: Sausage in your saucepan for that stuffing on sausage and

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01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 2: the sausage kinds.

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Speaker 7: Yes, And the stuffing there is well listen, stick around

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01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 7: because after the break we it's going to be all

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01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,599
Speaker 7: about you. We've got some talkbacks and we have more

1479
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 7: of your thoughts and feedbacks, and we'd love we'd love

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01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 7: a call eight at eight three one crime.

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Speaker 3: It's true Crime tonight. We are talking true crime all

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Speaker 3: the time with you.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to true Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. Stephanie Leidecker here with Courtney

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Speaker 2: Armstrong and Body.

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Speaker 3: Move in and listen. We have a talkback to ghost two. Hi,

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Speaker 3: this is Lisa from Pittsburgh calling.

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Speaker 14: I just heard Ainsley's from Canada's talk back regarding in

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01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 14: cells and how she can protect herself from the online

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Speaker 14: gaming community. But she also said she's concerned about how

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Speaker 14: easily young men are in this situation. As a mother

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Speaker 14: of a sixteen year old boy, how can I protect

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Speaker 14: him as well?

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Speaker 3: Hey, this is Lisa from Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 14: I just left to talk back, but I just wanted

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Speaker 14: to clarify and protecting my son from the online gaming

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Speaker 14: I don't necessarily mean by being a victim of an insell,

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Speaker 14: but actually becoming one.

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Speaker 3: That's my big concern.

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Speaker 14: How can I connect with him in a way that

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Speaker 14: helps him from being caught up in these things.

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01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 2: That is a great question, man, that's a great question.

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01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:51,839
Speaker 2: By the way, just the fact that you're asking yourself

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01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 2: that as a parent says a lot. Period the end,

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01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 2: the fact that you were that astute to know that

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01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 2: this is a warning or something that needs a deeper

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01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 2: look means that you were already swimming in the right pond,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, Lisa, thank you so much for both

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01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 7: of those. And I mean, listen, I think we're all

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01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 7: searching for answers, but I can say part of you know,

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01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,640
Speaker 7: in working on this project at KATI and all of

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01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 7: the interviews that have been done, what experts say is,

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01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 7: you know, asking the questions, being even aware is a

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01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 7: big deal. Talking to your son and just you know,

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01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 7: as much as you can try and sort of find

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01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:41,839
Speaker 7: out what is happening online and also just keep honest

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Speaker 7: open conversations where possible, which with the fourteen is oxymeronic

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Speaker 7: to say, even as I say, it's.

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01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 2: Like even like really like, who's having these big, heavy,

1521
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 2: open conversations about online dark rooms?

1522
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 11: Right?

1523
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,760
Speaker 3: You know, I heard some good advice. I'm just sharing this.

1524
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,759
Speaker 2: I'm not giving it I'm just I thought it was interesting,

1525
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 2: which was rather than you know, we all do it, right,

1526
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:07,720
Speaker 2: You get your kid, gets in the car, how is

1527
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 2: your day?

1528
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 3: And you know, automatic shutdown. Who really wants to answer

1529
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 3: that question?

1530
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 2: I know I didn't, Right, It's just like fine, it's

1531
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 2: just not a great setup, right, But if you want

1532
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 2: to get into a conversation that's perhaps deeper about these

1533
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 2: dark places, you can kind of come at it from

1534
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 2: a more I don't know if third person is the

1535
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 2: right word, but sort of like, hey, I'm giving a

1536
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 2: very baseline example. Tell me what it's like to be

1537
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 2: a fourteen year old in middle school right now? And

1538
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 2: you know what are what are teenagers experiencing online?

1539
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 3: Like it's a little removed? Is that right person?

1540
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:48,680
Speaker 7: That is exactly third person? Or even if it's you know,

1541
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:52,639
Speaker 7: oh what's himmy looking at? Or even if you kind

1542
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 7: of couch, it as not the kid, but another thing

1543
01:21:56,120 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 7: is just looking at the kid holistically? As are they

1544
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 7: getting literally outdoors? Do they have any friends? Do they

1545
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 7: have any kind of an interest outside of their room?

1546
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 7: And I say this with seriousness, because there's a lot.

1547
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 3: Of their interest kids friends are online.

1548
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 6: I mean, that's it's it's.

1549
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 7: Lack of personal interaction is something to look out for

1550
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 7: and to literally coax kids if they're staying in their

1551
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 7: room and a lot of kids that is what their

1552
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 7: social activity is.

1553
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 3: But just making sure face to face, I would.

1554
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 5: Encourage, you know, parents of children at this really impressionable age,

1555
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:43,680
Speaker 5: to encourage your children to get into some school activities,

1556
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 5: to like band or drama or choir, or soccer or

1557
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:52,600
Speaker 5: baseball or you know something. It doesn't have to be

1558
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 5: in person Dungeons and Dragons, which I pilayed in person

1559
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 5: Dungeons and Dragons and look at me, I'm right.

1560
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 2: But if they're feeling alienated from school, or they don't

1561
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 2: feel as though they're being invited into sports and clubs, yes,

1562
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 2: it's such great advice, of course, like that's such a

1563
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 2: sense of community and belonging. But sometimes these dark places

1564
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:19,640
Speaker 2: online are really luring and looking for those that are

1565
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 2: disconnected at home a little bit, or maybe are very

1566
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:27,600
Speaker 2: connected to mom or dad, and that's a certain dynamic.

1567
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 3: But in the air quotes real.

1568
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 2: World, which is school and having to you know, muscle

1569
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:35,599
Speaker 2: up to survive the day, because kids can be really

1570
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 2: rough at that age, and if you're feeling left out.

1571
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 2: The last thing you want to do is go, you know,

1572
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 2: participate in ban By the way, I loved all this

1573
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 2: stuff at that age. I go with Soundnce is so fun, right,

1574
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:50,160
Speaker 2: But I think it's like opposite land if you're feeling disconnected.

1575
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 2: And there was that great doc We've talked about this

1576
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 2: before from one of the mothers of the Columbine shooters,

1577
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:58,720
Speaker 2: and I'm getting it a little bit wrong. This is

1578
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 2: a memory of this documentary and it's basically mom's account

1579
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 2: of some of the red flags and the things that

1580
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 2: she missed, and that she had a really close relationship

1581
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 2: with her son. In fact, even that day, like the

1582
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:13,639
Speaker 2: day before this shooting, she knew that there was maybe

1583
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 2: some stuff happening in school.

1584
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 3: But you know, isn't that the story as old as time?

1585
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 2: Oh, middle school's hard, or or seeing some differences in

1586
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 2: my young teenager okay, says everybody alive. Right, that's part

1587
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 2: of being a teenager is like reacclimating and trying on

1588
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 2: new identities and figuring out where you fit in the world.

1589
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 3: That's a little trial and error, right.

1590
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 2: That seems really you know, air quotes normal, and her

1591
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:44,920
Speaker 2: take on it was really interesting because you know, she did.

1592
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 2: She hugged him, she had a kiss with him, She

1593
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 2: felt as though she knew what was happening with him,

1594
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 2: even though he was spending a lot of time online downstairs.

1595
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 3: And the truth is she missed it.

1596
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:56,680
Speaker 10: Right.

1597
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:01,680
Speaker 3: So this little young man gave mom the sense that

1598
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 3: everything was open. Right. That's a tough one.

1599
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 2: I just think the fact that you're asking the questions

1600
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 2: says a lot about you as mom, and you know,

1601
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:14,679
Speaker 2: big hugs and high fives. It is no easy task

1602
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 2: and it's not such a simple answer. But anyone who

1603
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 2: has advice, please let's take it. We have somebody amazing

1604
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 2: coming on on Thursday as well who may share some

1605
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:28,680
Speaker 2: tips and advice as well, and just like ways to

1606
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 2: talk to kids and talk to each other frankly, So anyway,

1607
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:35,639
Speaker 2: food for thought. We have another do'll be great.

1608
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 3: Hey guys, it's Ainsley calling from Canada.

1609
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 2: I just want to give a big shadow to Sam

1610
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 2: and Adam navigate to all of the sound issues you

1611
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:47,000
Speaker 2: guys run into.

1612
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:49,679
Speaker 7: So well, you guys make it seem so seamless even

1613
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:50,599
Speaker 7: when there's heck ups.

1614
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 3: So awesome job, Sam and Adam. I think related wait

1615
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 3: is so cute and so true appreciate that.

1616
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:05,920
Speaker 7: You know, we try our best around here, and I'm

1617
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 7: glad it sounds good to you, because sometimes it feels

1618
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 7: crazy over here.

1619
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 3: But glad it's translating well. Absolutely, do we have.

1620
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 6: Another talk back?

1621
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 13: Awesome Hither True Crime tonight? Friends, It's from BC Canada.

1622
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 13: You want a really easy slow cooker recipe, here's one

1623
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 13: of my favorites. Get whatever your favorite salsa is, two

1624
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 13: jars of it usually works, skin less phonelos, chicken breasts

1625
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 13: and then corn and black beans. The chicken breast from

1626
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 13: the bottom of the cooker. Pour your beans on, your corn,

1627
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 13: on your salsa on, churn it on for about six

1628
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:56,719
Speaker 13: hours or so on lo is fine. Once it's all done,

1629
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 13: you can shred up the chicken like a polk pork,

1630
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:03,040
Speaker 13: but a full chicken instead. Mix it all up and

1631
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:07,719
Speaker 13: you've got the best salsa chicken tacos ever. Get whatever

1632
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 13: you like, taco bowl, soft taco whatever, cheese, veggies, super easy,

1633
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:18,640
Speaker 13: super yummy and works well to free the leftovers.

1634
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 3: I'm making this.

1635
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:25,600
Speaker 2: Honor of Courtney Armstrong's birthday. I'm going to make the

1636
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:26,240
Speaker 2: slow cooker.

1637
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:28,679
Speaker 3: I'm going to do this that I talk about.

1638
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 2: I can do that I am on it interesting the

1639
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:34,600
Speaker 2: little added tip that you put the meat down, the

1640
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 2: chicken down, and then everything on top of it. You

1641
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 2: don't stir, and I think I mix it all up

1642
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 2: when I do the slow cooker and that doesn't and

1643
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 2: maybe that's not right.

1644
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:43,240
Speaker 3: I think it's the one to sit.

1645
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, the meat was supposed to be towards the bottom because.

1646
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's fun interesting tip. I did not

1647
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:51,560
Speaker 3: know that.

1648
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 7: I think so you handle salmonila like a champ. You

1649
01:27:56,120 --> 01:28:00,840
Speaker 7: never know, right, I have my stomach.

1650
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 8: That's funny, but I love that.

1651
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:08,320
Speaker 3: That's a good rest of it sounds delicious.

1652
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 8: Thank you, right, I think we have ano.

1653
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:13,679
Speaker 3: Let's go to one another.

1654
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:18,879
Speaker 9: Yes, hey, ladies and taha. This is Julia from South Carolina.

1655
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,600
Speaker 9: I love this show, by the way, but I'm just

1656
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 9: dying laughing over here hearing you guys talking about memento

1657
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:29,600
Speaker 9: cheese and a jar. Because girls, memento cheese has not

1658
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 9: come in a jar in a long time, and you

1659
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 9: do have to get it in the refrigerated section of

1660
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:39,679
Speaker 9: the grocery store. So please go to your grocery store

1661
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 9: and look the hummus or the block of moli and

1662
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 9: you will find some delicious mento cheese, and you do

1663
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 9: not have to make it, and it's much better than

1664
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 9: what you ate as a kid. To enjoy and keep

1665
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 9: doing what you're doing.

1666
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:57,240
Speaker 7: All right, bye, ladies, Okay, you're fair totally right, and

1667
01:28:57,320 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 7: I'm embarrassed, totally right.

1668
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:00,960
Speaker 3: They don't, they don't sell that.

1669
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 5: I like the one in the can in the glass

1670
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:06,640
Speaker 5: jar with the blue lid, and I know that the

1671
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 5: stuff in the refrigerator probably is better for me, and

1672
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 5: it's not, but it.

1673
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,599
Speaker 7: Doesn't taste like the stuff that is a kid's taste test.

1674
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 7: But I think we have to live in reality. It

1675
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 7: sounds like our callers said that that doesn't that is

1676
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 7: no longer, so we're going to move forward with store

1677
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 7: bought no one's You don't have to make to make it.

1678
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, but it doesn't taste as.

1679
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 3: Good I've.

1680
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 5: Do you like laughing cheese? The little triangles I love.

1681
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:39,400
Speaker 5: I can eat the whole round until we discovered it. Yeah,

1682
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 5: so delicious, very delicious. Every time I unpeel like the foil,

1683
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:46,800
Speaker 5: it's like I'm so excited and happy. I'm like, it's

1684
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 5: almost Do you ever buy the wax one with.

1685
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 6: The wax little red are different the baby bells.

1686
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 3: The baby bells.

1687
01:29:56,200 --> 01:29:58,160
Speaker 6: Oh, I don't love the baby bells.

1688
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:00,720
Speaker 2: I like the terrible I like the idea of them,

1689
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 2: but they always like, don't taste as good as I

1690
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 2: want them to.

1691
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:04,720
Speaker 3: They're not as good as the laughing.

1692
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:05,839
Speaker 6: They're a little rasberries.

1693
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 3: They're a little rubbery.

1694
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, like I used to always pack them

1695
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:11,760
Speaker 2: in my lunch and it was always a little like

1696
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:13,799
Speaker 2: my cheese stinks.

1697
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:15,000
Speaker 3: I like them because they.

1698
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 8: Look like pac Man when you open them, though they

1699
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 8: do look cute when you eat them, and they're carry yeah,

1700
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 8: shame on them.

1701
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:23,720
Speaker 3: Like I like the idea of that a lot.

1702
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 2: I just want them to be a Tattyummier's cheese like

1703
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:28,519
Speaker 2: cheese is good on anything?

1704
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 3: Same?

1705
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 6: What actually, what is your favorite cheese?

1706
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 7: Editot three one crime no joking around Manchego is what

1707
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 7: comes top to mind, and I always love a Spanish cheese.

1708
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:47,000
Speaker 3: But I really don't discriminate.

1709
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 5: I don't even know if I've had that, Oh, baked

1710
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:53,600
Speaker 5: break maybe baked, okay, let's do it.

1711
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:55,200
Speaker 3: Why did everybody give me a bad look? Or you

1712
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 3: don't like bake? I love baked bread. That's a good.

1713
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 6: Give me something I'm hungry right now.

1714
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:07,760
Speaker 8: The only one I don't like is I don't like

1715
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:10,320
Speaker 8: the really stinky cheeses like dinner.

1716
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 3: Give it to you do? Do you guys remember our

1717
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:16,760
Speaker 3: parents used to go to fondue parties. I love a party.

1718
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:19,280
Speaker 3: Let's have that tomorrow. Why don't we have those anymore?

1719
01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:21,880
Speaker 3: Why don't we do because we have too much stuff.

1720
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 2: I've decided, well, there's another pot and all the sticks

1721
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 2: and then yeah, it's like where you put who is a.

1722
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 3: Space for all that cookers and the this ers.

1723
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 7: I actually have a thing, and I got it for

1724
01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:35,880
Speaker 7: my wedding registry and everyone was like, you will never

1725
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:38,840
Speaker 7: use it. However, what we have used it for is

1726
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:41,439
Speaker 7: a what is it shabu shabo where you have it

1727
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:44,800
Speaker 7: oiling and it's actually really fun if you're watching a movie,

1728
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 7: because then you dip your vegetables or your meat in

1729
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:51,720
Speaker 7: it and cooks right in front of your face, and

1730
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 7: then you just dip it in the sauce.

1731
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 3: That's a great interactive Dinner.

1732
01:31:56,960 --> 01:32:00,559
Speaker 5: Is one of my favorite things in the world and mine.

1733
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:04,360
Speaker 5: So you can eat by my house. You pay thirty

1734
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 5: four dollars and there's refrigerators full of like lobster tail

1735
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 5: and all life and and then you need to choose

1736
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:13,920
Speaker 5: your broth. Do you want like a tie basil or

1737
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:16,200
Speaker 5: do you want like a coconut? And I'm like, okay,

1738
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:19,280
Speaker 5: it's my favorite, do all of it.

1739
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:19,680
Speaker 8: And it is.

1740
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:20,680
Speaker 3: So it's the only thing.

1741
01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 2: You got to slow the roll we got to do,

1742
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:25,519
Speaker 2: you know, like yourself like and all you can eat,

1743
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:27,360
Speaker 2: but like you can take a slow roll.

1744
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 6: They always make the bread looks so good.

1745
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it does look up. Yeah, that's a secret.

1746
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:35,400
Speaker 3: It's a Vegas trick.

1747
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:39,000
Speaker 8: It is to buffet all you can eat. Like for me,

1748
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:41,600
Speaker 8: like I navigate first and look it all over and

1749
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 8: second forth. Yeah, because I don't want to go crazy

1750
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:46,120
Speaker 8: with the things at the front and later say oh dang,

1751
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:48,840
Speaker 8: you gotta don't skip.

1752
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:50,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't start with the watter. Do the same there

1753
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 3: you go.

1754
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's the trick.

1755
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:55,559
Speaker 5: So yeah, when we come to most of the buffets

1756
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 5: here are closed. After COVID they shut down a lot

1757
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:01,760
Speaker 5: of the buffets. There's only a lot. Yeah, the peel

1758
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 5: and eat them shrimp boys be so excited.

1759
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 3: So I'm just gonna disagree with the shabboo shaboo.

1760
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:10,439
Speaker 2: I think it's a lot of work and it's like

1761
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:12,960
Speaker 2: not enough meat, like you know that was waiting for

1762
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:14,560
Speaker 2: that one little strip.

1763
01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:22,679
Speaker 3: Over so quick.

1764
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:25,599
Speaker 6: Got to cook it again on a candle.

1765
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:29,720
Speaker 3: You cook it in a candle.

1766
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 6: The new place.

1767
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 3: No, it's biling.

1768
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:36,280
Speaker 6: It is boiling. But that's a point.

1769
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:38,800
Speaker 7: Well, day, that's why you need it during a movie

1770
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:40,360
Speaker 7: because it takes two hours to eat it.

1771
01:33:40,439 --> 01:33:42,920
Speaker 8: Enough valid point.

1772
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:46,519
Speaker 3: We're like little laving chickens.

1773
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:49,479
Speaker 6: Well, listen, we have a huge day to borrow.

1774
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:50,040
Speaker 3: We'll forget.

1775
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:54,320
Speaker 2: It's Courtney Armstrong's birthday, so we are going to We

1776
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:56,000
Speaker 2: told her to take the night off so she can go,

1777
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:58,960
Speaker 2: you know, party like a rock star, but she.

1778
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 3: Doesn't want to be any anywhere else with you guys. Yay,

1779
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:05,479
Speaker 3: that is so exciting.

1780
01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:08,559
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1785
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:25,839
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