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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Shop Talk number thirty eight. Welcome in.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of weak.

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Speaker 2: Can you do than that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Welcome in? There we go, Welcome into the shop. Today,

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about a note that Evan Feinberg

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Speaker 1: wrote to us and.

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Speaker 2: Oh he wrote it LinkedIn for all of the world

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Speaker 2: to see, not just us. I'm sorry, okay, if you're

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Speaker 2: not to read it's right there.

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Speaker 1: I thought he wrote it on LinkedIn to us. No, No,

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Speaker 1: reached out to us through LinkedIn.

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Speaker 2: You would just do that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So whatever Evan Feinberg wrote on Now, who's

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Speaker 1: Evan Feinberg. V Feinberg is the chairman of the Stand

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Speaker 1: Together Foundation. And I'm really not going to go into

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Speaker 1: a commercial for Stand Together, but google stand Together and

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Speaker 1: you'll know who they are. Incredible work and very connected

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Speaker 1: to a number of our past and future guests. So

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Speaker 1: Evan Einberg, the chairman of the Stanberg Founders Stand Together Foundation,

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Speaker 1: wrote something that I'm going to read to you and

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Speaker 1: then comment on for Shop Talk number thirty eight. Right

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Speaker 1: after these brief messages from our general.

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Speaker 3: Sponsors, everybody, welcome back, Evan Feinberg wrote this Merriam Webster's

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four Word of the Year is drum roll,

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Speaker 3: drum roll.

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Speaker 1: Thanks. My finger is Polarization feels pretty on the nose.

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Speaker 1: We're all feeling it, he says. It feels like we've

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Speaker 1: got to figure out how we can get along with

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Speaker 1: each other a whole lot better. But I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's as easy as just being nicer to one another.

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Speaker 1: We've got a diverse country that often disagrees with one

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Speaker 1: another vehemently. I do think there's a shortcut, though. I'm

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Speaker 1: reminded of a conversation I once had with Van Jones,

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Speaker 1: who is a real leader in uniting people across lines

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Speaker 1: of difference. He said something to the effect of, let's

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Speaker 1: get people doing something together, like serving kids. We can

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Speaker 1: fight like cats and dogs or twenty three hours out

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Speaker 1: of day, but could we reserve just one hour to

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Speaker 1: go serve some kids together. His belief was that if

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Speaker 1: you really profound things would happen if we did that. One,

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Speaker 1: we'd help a lot of kids. Two, we'd realize we

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Speaker 1: agree on at least something helping kids. Three we'd get

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Speaker 1: to know one another and realize that we agree on

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Speaker 1: a bunch more issues. That's been our experience working with

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Speaker 1: Van on issues like criminal justice form or combating anti semitism.

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Speaker 1: Even if we don't agree on every issue, for when

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Speaker 1: we do disagree, we'd start to do so more agreeably

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Speaker 1: because we'd see each other as good people who disagree

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Speaker 1: on some stuff. So here's my thought for a New

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Speaker 1: Year's resolution, to make sure that polarization isn't the word

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Speaker 1: of the year next year, Can we resolve to get

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Speaker 1: out and serve together. If you need some ideas for

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Speaker 1: you to do that, let me know there are platforms

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Speaker 1: out there, light Points of Light, Vomo and just serve.

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Speaker 1: The important thing is that you start serving with people

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Speaker 1: across lines of differences, So get out of your comfort zone.

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Speaker 1: Pretty good letter from Evan, but it sounds like he's

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Speaker 1: been listening to the podcast. I'm a little worried he's

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Speaker 1: plagiarized in army and normal folks in this letter.

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Speaker 2: He's a pretty smart guy too. You can come to

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Speaker 2: the same conclusion.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's plagiarizing. That's a joke. I can't

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Speaker 1: help but read that and wonder if we need to

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Speaker 1: try to get Van Jones on the show's idea. I

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Speaker 1: think that's supporting is really interesting for supporting greatness, especially

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Speaker 1: because there are a number of I've listened to him.

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Speaker 1: There's a few things he and I definitely agree on.

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Speaker 1: There's a number of things he and I definitely disagree on.

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Speaker 1: But I think it would be an interesting contrast in

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Speaker 1: belief sets who ultimately clearly have an ultimate focus on

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Speaker 2: And not to get into politics, but if you just

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Speaker 2: to pay him credit, like he's an honest broker. I mean,

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Speaker 2: if you like, after that Biden Trump debate where Biden

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Speaker 1: Got a problem.

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Speaker 2: This is falling apart and basically people have not been

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Speaker 1: And but see, that's why that's a guy I think

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Speaker 2: We're not getting to other Republicans or but an honest.

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Speaker 1: Broker, I still think that's a guy you can if

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Speaker 1: if you're Democrat, respect and listen to and not just

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Speaker 2: Well, let's get back to the subject at hand.

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Speaker 1: Well, it really is part of the subject hand candidly

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Speaker 1: is that you know, I'd love to sit down with

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Speaker 1: Van Jones. And I have friends in LA that are agnostic.

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Speaker 1: I have friends in LA that are Jewish, gay, married

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Speaker 1: are agnostic and actually form born Jews with very liberal

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Speaker 1: I mean these are friends. I would go. I would

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Speaker 2: And as usually say, you haven't said a yeah, but

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Speaker 2: I mean you're a white Southern Christian business owner. The

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Speaker 1: There's probably some things we see on politically, but there's

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Speaker 1: certainly others we don't. And I would go to back

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Speaker 1: for these folks. And here's why, because I have broken

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Speaker 1: bread with them. I've sat in their living rooms, they've

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Speaker 1: And that is foundational to mind that we simply are

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Speaker 1: opposites on. But here's the deal. We approach those conversations

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Speaker 1: from foundation of respect and appreciation and friendship. And therefore,

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Speaker 1: when we have those conversations, they are real and they

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Speaker 1: are unadultered, but they are civil, and they always have

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Speaker 1: this backdrop behind them of even though I don't agree

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Speaker 1: I don't want to incite a riot over this disagreement

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Speaker 1: because I know what the basic fundamental of all of

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Speaker 1: therefore you can have those conversations in a civil, non

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Speaker 1: threatening way. Agree to disagree, respect one another's opinions, but

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Speaker 2: I think one interesting point about you met those people?

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Speaker 2: I think if I'm guessing the people through Undefeated and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but what I love about its point is you

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Speaker 2: know you met him through that, But say the average

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Speaker 1: Right? So that's a that's a perfect segue Merriam Webster's

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four Worthy Years Polarization. And so first, before

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Speaker 1: we talk about how we meet him. I think the

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Speaker 1: real question is how do we get so polarized? And

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Speaker 1: I really believe that we are separating more and more,

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Speaker 1: what we read, by the news station we watch, by

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Speaker 1: the social media channels that we soak up. And Alex

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Speaker 1: But Pew Research said that somewhere around eighty percent of

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Speaker 1: us know that when we watch CNN or cn or CNBC,

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Speaker 1: and we don't like what's going on in our country. Yet

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Speaker 1: the same research says that for about two point three

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Speaker 1: So on the one hand, we don't believe it and

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Speaker 2: So it's like seventy six percent of the public doesn't

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Speaker 1: But I mean, if it's seventy six percent, they're actually

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Speaker 1: or live like them. So Mary Welbster's twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: we don't get arms around it. So back to Alex's

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Speaker 1: really good question and point, which is, okay, now that

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Speaker 1: we understand polarization of where it comes from. Sure, I've

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Speaker 1: I don't care what you look like, how you vote,

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Speaker 1: Because if you're serving a community of people or an

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Speaker 2: And the other half of the point is if we're

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Speaker 2: building a bed with somebody else who's different, like you're

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Speaker 1: I do. Now, you may vote differently, you may worship differently,

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Speaker 1: you may have disagreements, but you're not going to see

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Speaker 2: White, Big Daddy Snowflake, Well.

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Speaker 1: Had white, Big Day Snowflake. Actually mine was blue gold.

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Speaker 1: but then on Saturdays and Sundays go to your neighborhoods

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Speaker 1: up with a rule, which was, if you're going to

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Speaker 1: and it was painful. There some kids that couldn't get

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Speaker 2: Out in beatings, to get out of the gang couple.

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Speaker 2: There's a I mean, like there's some of the stories

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Speaker 2: I've told the people, Like a lot of them ended

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Speaker 2: if you want this to stop, you've got to join

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Speaker 1: It is very hard, but there's no future in that.

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Speaker 1: And so some decisions you make or you know, tough

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Speaker 1: The point is, how in the world could we develop

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Speaker 1: the point is, to some degree, that's the same thing

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Speaker 1: we're saying about our society. We cannot stand on opposite

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Speaker 1: We can't. You know, the whole united we stand thing

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Speaker 1: It's not about saying the right things. It's about breaking bread,

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Speaker 1: it's about having conversations, it's about face to face interaction.

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Speaker 1: It's about all of those things. And where better to

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Speaker 1: aren't as blessed as you, Because you will ultimately always

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Speaker 1: have an enormous and emotion when you employ your efforts

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, the polarization becomes just quaint differences among

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Speaker 1: is amen? Brother, Preach, Preach So shop Talk number thirty eight.

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Speaker 1: Evan Feinberg, the chairman of the Stand Together Foundation, says

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Speaker 1: his goal is in twenty twenty five that Merriam Webster's

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