WEBVTT - S04 E16: Folie Adieu

0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:12.240
<v Speaker 1>It was shaping up to be a busy morning that

0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Saturday in May two thousand and eight at Saint Anne

0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:21.160
<v Speaker 1>Street Police Station in Liverpool, England. Inside the front counter

0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:25.119
<v Speaker 1>staff prepared themselves for the usual calls and concerns that

0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:28.880
<v Speaker 1>tended to accompany the morning after the Friday night before,

0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:33.199
<v Speaker 1>having dealt with a few walk ins already. It had

0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:36.280
<v Speaker 1>just gone eight thirty when the front door swung open

0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:40.519
<v Speaker 1>and two women entered, carrying one large rucksack and an

0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:44.560
<v Speaker 1>over the shoulder sports bag between them. There wasn't much

0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:48.360
<v Speaker 1>that the staff on duty there hadn't seen, but something

0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:54.000
<v Speaker 1>about these two was a little different. The women, middle aged,

0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:57.480
<v Speaker 1>with one wearing a short lime green puffer jacket and

0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:01.320
<v Speaker 1>the other a long red coat, appeared to be identical

0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:07.040
<v Speaker 1>twins and were clearly in a state of agitation. As

0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:10.000
<v Speaker 1>the woman in the green jacket sat down, the other

0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:15.160
<v Speaker 1>approached the desk. As the woman explained the counterstaff, they

0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:17.600
<v Speaker 1>had just got off the ferry that morning from Dublin,

0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:22.160
<v Speaker 1>having made their way from County Cork. The woman, who

0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:26.399
<v Speaker 1>gave her name as Sabina Erikson, needed help because her partner,

0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:30.080
<v Speaker 1>with whom she lived in Ireland, had kidnapped her children.

0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:35.400
<v Speaker 1>After taking a few more details, the counterstaff suggested Sabina

0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:39.760
<v Speaker 1>take a seat while they made a few calls. Sabina,

0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:43.640
<v Speaker 1>as it transpired, was a Swedish national who'd been living

0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.280
<v Speaker 1>in the town of Mallow in Ireland for the past

0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:51.920
<v Speaker 1>few years with her partner and children. Her sister, Ursula Ericson,

0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:55.320
<v Speaker 1>who lived in the United States, had flown to Ireland

0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:59.600
<v Speaker 1>the previous day to spend some time with Sabina. Now

0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:03.360
<v Speaker 1>the reasons that weren't entirely clear, the pair were sat

0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:08.200
<v Speaker 1>in a police station in Liverpool. Having taken Sabina's address

0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:11.320
<v Speaker 1>and contact number. An officer on duty made a quick

0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:14.400
<v Speaker 1>call to the Guarder, the Republic of Ireland's police force.

0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:18.520
<v Speaker 1>The officer suggested they send a car round to Sabina's

0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:24.120
<v Speaker 1>address to investigate her accusation. It was almost three hours

0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:28.560
<v Speaker 1>later when Guarder officers arrived at Sabina's home address, only

0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:31.840
<v Speaker 1>to find her partner and her children there safe and sound,

0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:36.480
<v Speaker 1>with no obvious sign of anything unto ward having taken place.

0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:42.400
<v Speaker 1>As the partner explained, with Sabina's sister Ursula having just

0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:45.399
<v Speaker 1>arrived out of the blue the day before, the two

0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:48.840
<v Speaker 1>sisters had spent the day together before coming home to sleep.

0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.600
<v Speaker 1>When he woke up the following morning, they were nowhere

0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:56.839
<v Speaker 1>to be found. The guarder called the officer at Saint

0:02:56.880 --> 0:03:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Anne Street police station to relay the information, but by

0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:11.960
<v Speaker 1>that time Sabina and Ursula had gone some sixty miles

0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:16.320
<v Speaker 1>south of Liverpool along the M six motorway. Melissa Dutton,

0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:20.280
<v Speaker 1>the manager of a service station located just outside Keel,

0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.720
<v Speaker 1>was about to take her lunch when she was contacted

0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:26.680
<v Speaker 1>by the driver of a coach heading from Liverpool to

0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:32.040
<v Speaker 1>Victoria Station in London. The driver was requesting help with

0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:34.880
<v Speaker 1>two of his passengers that he was having difficulty with.

0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:39.560
<v Speaker 1>Dutton arrived in the service station car park to find

0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Sabina and Ursula standing huddled close together next to the coach.

0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:47.880
<v Speaker 1>As the driver explained to her he'd become suspicious of

0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.440
<v Speaker 1>the pair when they refused to place their luggage in

0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.960
<v Speaker 1>the hold. One of the women was said to have

0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:56.800
<v Speaker 1>asked the coast to stop since she was feeling unwell,

0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.000
<v Speaker 1>but when he saw them take their bags with them,

0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:05.040
<v Speaker 1>the driver became suspicious again, though he had no legal

0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.280
<v Speaker 1>right to demand to know what was in their bags.

0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:10.520
<v Speaker 1>In the wake of the July seventh tube and bus

0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:15.040
<v Speaker 1>bombings in London three years previously, all transport company staff

0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:19.040
<v Speaker 1>had been encouraged to be extra vigilant. Worried that they

0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:22.000
<v Speaker 1>might be hiding something, he refused to let them back

0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:26.560
<v Speaker 1>on board. With not much else to be done, Dutton

0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:30.680
<v Speaker 1>suggested the pair seek alternative arrangements, and then watched as

0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:34.800
<v Speaker 1>they conferred quietly together, looked about the car park, and

0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:37.680
<v Speaker 1>then headed off around the back of the service station.

0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Now growing concerned by their behavior herself, Dutton made a

0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:45.960
<v Speaker 1>phone call to the police, asking them to come and

0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:51.200
<v Speaker 1>speak to the women. The police found Sabina and Ursula

0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:55.200
<v Speaker 1>milling about the car park, asking them what they were doing.

0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:58.520
<v Speaker 1>Sabina explained that they were merely trying to get to

0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:01.200
<v Speaker 1>London when they were unfair early kicked off the coach.

0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.599
<v Speaker 1>The officers gave the women a contact number for another

0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:09.040
<v Speaker 1>bus company and suggested they call them to find another

0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:18.440
<v Speaker 1>coach to take them the rest of the way. Up

0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:21.640
<v Speaker 1>in the control room of the Highways Agency in Birmingham,

0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:26.080
<v Speaker 1>forty five miles from Keel, agency staff work the phones

0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:29.920
<v Speaker 1>in front of a vast bank of monitors displaying CCTV

0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:34.720
<v Speaker 1>footage covering all major roads linked to the region. It

0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:38.479
<v Speaker 1>was roughly three thirty pm when one worker spotted something

0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:43.120
<v Speaker 1>unusual on one of the monitors. Sabina and Ursula making

0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:46.839
<v Speaker 1>their way north up the Central Reservation as three lanes

0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:50.120
<v Speaker 1>of fast moving traffic tore past them on either side.

0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:55.479
<v Speaker 1>Though not police, it is the Highway Agency's responsibility to

0:05:55.600 --> 0:06:00.919
<v Speaker 1>monitor traffic, congestion and other motorway infringements. Fearing the women

0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:04.440
<v Speaker 1>were in danger, a patrol vehicle was duly dispatched to

0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:09.560
<v Speaker 1>gather them from the Central Reservation. Moments later, shortly before

0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:13.039
<v Speaker 1>the patrol car is due to arrive, the agency worker

0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:16.000
<v Speaker 1>watches in horror as the two women attempt to cross

0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:20.720
<v Speaker 1>the busy motorway. Stepping over the barrier, Sabina makes a

0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.560
<v Speaker 1>break for it, only to be clipped by an oncoming

0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.960
<v Speaker 1>car traveling over seventy miles an hour and knock to

0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:32.600
<v Speaker 1>the ground. But then, as the agency worker watches in disbelief,

0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Sabina merely hauls herself back to her feet and makes

0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:39.040
<v Speaker 1>the way to the other side of the road, seeming

0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:44.520
<v Speaker 1>completely unfazed by what had happened. Just a few miles away,

0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:48.000
<v Speaker 1>two motorway police officers are being filmed for a BBC

0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:51.400
<v Speaker 1>documentary series. When the call comes in to assist the

0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:55.720
<v Speaker 1>highway officers in dealing with the two women, as a

0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:59.640
<v Speaker 1>steady drizzle of rain begins to fall, the officers PC

0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:04.360
<v Speaker 1>and PC Finlayson arrived to find Sabina and Ursula standing

0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:06.640
<v Speaker 1>by the side of the road next to their bags,

0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:11.560
<v Speaker 1>being quietly spoken to by the highway officers. One of

0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.320
<v Speaker 1>the officers approaches the police and to briefs them on

0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:18.360
<v Speaker 1>what has taken place, while a BBC camera operator films

0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:23.920
<v Speaker 1>their exchange. Behind them, six lanes of traffic speed by

0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:27.840
<v Speaker 1>in a monotonous cascade of Doppler engine noise as the

0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:31.880
<v Speaker 1>light rain continues to fall. As one of the highway

0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:35.760
<v Speaker 1>officers leans in to speak with Sabina, Ursula makes a

0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:39.320
<v Speaker 1>break for it, only not over the grassy verge to

0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:45.200
<v Speaker 1>her left, but straight out across the motorway. The officer

0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.760
<v Speaker 1>spins round in an attempt to catch hold of her,

0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:51.160
<v Speaker 1>but can only grab the sleeve of her jacket. As

0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Ursula turns back in desperation, slips free from her coat

0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:59.440
<v Speaker 1>and charges headlong under the wheels of a forty ton

0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:05.240
<v Speaker 1>or truck. PC Finlayson, who had turned just in time

0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:09.239
<v Speaker 1>to catch her disappearing underneath it, screamed out in horror,

0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.880
<v Speaker 1>but before anyone has time to fathom what has happened,

0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Sabina has also stepped out purposefully into the oncoming traffic,

0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:21.679
<v Speaker 1>running straight into a Volkswagen Polo traveling at sixty miles

0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:26.600
<v Speaker 1>an hour, making no attempt to get out of the way.

0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:30.320
<v Speaker 1>In an instant, her body is flipped over the front,

0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:35.120
<v Speaker 1>slamming hard into the bonnet and smashing the windscreen. As

0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:38.000
<v Speaker 1>the car screeches to a halt, she has flung forward

0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:41.440
<v Speaker 1>again and tumbles to the ground with a sickening thud,

0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:54.720
<v Speaker 1>And then for a brief moment, everything is still. With

0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.880
<v Speaker 1>all traffic now stopped on both sides of the motorway,

0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:03.080
<v Speaker 1>Sabina and Ursula remained complete still on the tarmac. PC

0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Finlayson yells into his walkie talkie for an immediate ambulance dispatch,

0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:11.880
<v Speaker 1>knowing only too well that it's probably in vain, But

0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:14.960
<v Speaker 1>as the four officers run to help, they are shocked

0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:17.760
<v Speaker 1>and relieved to find that both women are still alive.

0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:22.559
<v Speaker 1>Rushing to Ursula, Finlayson, seeing that her legs have been

0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:27.880
<v Speaker 1>horrifically mangled, urges her to stay calm, but Ursula does

0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:31.320
<v Speaker 1>nothing of the sort. Screaming for the officer to leave

0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:35.000
<v Speaker 1>her alone. She demands that he called the police. When

0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:37.160
<v Speaker 1>he tries to tell her that he is the police,

0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:42.880
<v Speaker 1>she only becomes more agitated. Clearly in a state of paranoia,

0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:46.319
<v Speaker 1>Ursula calls out for her sister, who is still lying

0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:51.000
<v Speaker 1>silently in the road, having hit her head after being

0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:54.280
<v Speaker 1>struck by the car. Sabina has been knocked out cold,

0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.960
<v Speaker 1>with paramedics now on hand to help. PC Cope is

0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:02.880
<v Speaker 1>just asking for an neck brace when suddenly Sabina begins

0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:08.119
<v Speaker 1>to stir. As Cope urges her to stay down, Sabina

0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:12.760
<v Speaker 1>somehow scrambles to her feet. Two minutes ago she was

0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:15.800
<v Speaker 1>out cold, having been struck by a car at sixty

0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:19.120
<v Speaker 1>miles per hour, and now she is standing up as

0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:23.120
<v Speaker 1>if nothing has happened. As Cope tells her again to

0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:27.360
<v Speaker 1>stay down, Sabina takes one look around and bolts toward

0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:31.959
<v Speaker 1>the central reservation. Cope attempts to grab her, but with

0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:36.640
<v Speaker 1>unusual strength, Sabina floors the police officer, pushing her to

0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:41.880
<v Speaker 1>the ground. PC Finlayson gives chase and soon has Sabina

0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:46.240
<v Speaker 1>cornered but rather than give up, Sabina whips off her

0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:51.480
<v Speaker 1>coat and faces down the officer. It'll take six people

0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:55.200
<v Speaker 1>in total to eventually subdue her, bringing her kicking and

0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:58.000
<v Speaker 1>screaming to the far side of the road, where they

0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:02.320
<v Speaker 1>are eventually able to handcuff her. Still needing to get

0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:05.480
<v Speaker 1>her to a hospital, paramedics are forced to administer a

0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:10.000
<v Speaker 1>sedative to calm her down. As members of the public

0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:14.040
<v Speaker 1>start to gather, filming the event on their mobiles. An

0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:18.439
<v Speaker 1>air ambulance arrives to take Ursula to hospital, and Sabina

0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:24.600
<v Speaker 1>is placed in an ambulance and taken there too. Are

0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:27.559
<v Speaker 1>you always taking care of your family? Do you often

0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:30.640
<v Speaker 1>take care of others and not yourself? Now it's time

0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:33.880
<v Speaker 1>to take care of yourself. To make time for you.

0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.800
<v Speaker 1>You deserve it. Tele Adoc gives you access to a

0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:39.839
<v Speaker 1>licensed therapist to help you get back to feeling your

0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:44.120
<v Speaker 1>best to feeling like yourself again. With teledoc, you can

0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:47.640
<v Speaker 1>speak to a licensed therapist by phone or video. Therapy

0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:50.960
<v Speaker 1>appointments are available seven days a week from seven am

0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:55.000
<v Speaker 1>to nine pm local time. If you feel overwhelmed sometimes

0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:59.600
<v Speaker 1>maybe you feel stressed or anxious, depressed or lonely, or

0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:02.320
<v Speaker 1>you might be struggling with a personal or family issue.

0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:08.080
<v Speaker 1>Teledoc can help. Teledoc is committed to facilitating great therapeutic matches,

0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.920
<v Speaker 1>so they make it easy to change counselors if needed.

0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:16.000
<v Speaker 1>For free teledoc therapy is available through most insurance or employers.

0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:20.280
<v Speaker 1>Download the app or visit teledoc dot com Forward slash

0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Unexplained podcast today to get started. That's teladoc dot com

0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:35.560
<v Speaker 1>slash Unexplained podcast. With Ursula in a critical condition, she

0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:38.800
<v Speaker 1>has whisked immediately to theater where she has operated on

0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:43.880
<v Speaker 1>successfully before being taken back to Award to recover. No

0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:48.120
<v Speaker 1>drugs or alcohol are found to be in her system

0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:51.400
<v Speaker 1>Sabina is also checked over, but found to have only

0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:54.960
<v Speaker 1>minor scratches and bruises, and her head injury is not

0:12:55.040 --> 0:13:00.319
<v Speaker 1>considered bad enough to warrant an overnight observation. Of being

0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:04.679
<v Speaker 1>assessed by a psychiatrist, a police doctor, and a social worker,

0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:10.200
<v Speaker 1>she is deemed fit to be released from hospital while

0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:14.480
<v Speaker 1>under supervision. The woman's bags were finally searched, but revealed

0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:17.800
<v Speaker 1>little more than a passport for Ursula and some clothes,

0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:23.920
<v Speaker 1>but also curiously, a number of mobile phones. There is

0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:26.880
<v Speaker 1>nothing else to explain what the women were doing or

0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:32.319
<v Speaker 1>where they were heading. Having been discharged from hospital, Sabina

0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:36.120
<v Speaker 1>is immediately arrested and charged with trespassing on the motorway

0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:41.560
<v Speaker 1>and assaulting a police officer. PC Elliot is instructed to

0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:45.480
<v Speaker 1>deliver her from the hospital to the police station, having

0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.720
<v Speaker 1>been briefed on her earlier behavior. The Sabina who greets

0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.640
<v Speaker 1>him outside the hospital is a far cry from the

0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:56.880
<v Speaker 1>description he'd been given by now, appearing upbeat and completely

0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:00.559
<v Speaker 1>oblivious of what had just taken place, it sees no

0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:03.960
<v Speaker 1>reason to even apply handcuffs before asking her to take

0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:06.160
<v Speaker 1>a seat in the back of the car, which she

0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:11.720
<v Speaker 1>does without any resistance. Later at the station, Sabina is

0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:16.480
<v Speaker 1>processed and formally charged with the various offenses. Not once

0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:19.200
<v Speaker 1>does she inquire about the health of her sister or

0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.360
<v Speaker 1>elaborate on what the two of them were doing on

0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:26.600
<v Speaker 1>the motorway. For the second time that day, Sabina's partner

0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:30.360
<v Speaker 1>in Ireland is contacted by police, only this time it

0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:34.680
<v Speaker 1>is to inform him that Sabina has been arrested again.

0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.600
<v Speaker 1>He claims no knowledge of what she's doing in England.

0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:44.880
<v Speaker 1>That afternoon, as officers marvel at Sabina's complete change of personality.

0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Few fully register the seemingly throwaway line that Sabina utters

0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:54.520
<v Speaker 1>as her details are being recorded that in Sweden they

0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:58.520
<v Speaker 1>have a saying. She says that an accident rarely comes alone.

0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:07.120
<v Speaker 1>Usually at least one more follows, perhaps even two. Sabina's

0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.160
<v Speaker 1>case is set to be heard in the local magistrate's court,

0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:13.320
<v Speaker 1>but since it's a Saturday and they won't be open

0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:16.720
<v Speaker 1>till Monday, she is ordered into a cell, where she

0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:27.280
<v Speaker 1>will stay for the next two nights. On Monday morning,

0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Sabina is taken to Fenton Magistrate's Court, just outside the

0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:34.920
<v Speaker 1>city of Stoke on Trent, where she pleads guilty to

0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:38.080
<v Speaker 1>the charges and is sentenced to one day in custody.

0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Already spent. Seeing no reason to keep her detained any

0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:47.800
<v Speaker 1>longer or administer a full psychiatric evaluation, she is released

0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:53.720
<v Speaker 1>later that night. Friends fifty four year old Glenn hollins

0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:57.040
<v Speaker 1>Head and Peter molloy are enjoying a quick drink at

0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:01.240
<v Speaker 1>the Royal Oak Pub on Christchurch Street in Fenton. It's

0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:04.360
<v Speaker 1>just gone nine thirty pm when the pair decided to

0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:06.840
<v Speaker 1>call it a night and make their way back home,

0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:10.840
<v Speaker 1>accompanied by Glenn's dog, who he'd brought out with him earlier.

0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:15.520
<v Speaker 1>Having just left the pub, a woman called out to

0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:17.840
<v Speaker 1>the men from the other side of the road, saying

0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:22.040
<v Speaker 1>that she liked their dog. As Peter molloy would later state,

0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:27.280
<v Speaker 1>the woman was Sabina, who appeared to be lost. Heading

0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:31.360
<v Speaker 1>over to speak with her, Sabina introduced herself and explained

0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:33.680
<v Speaker 1>that she was trying to find the local hospital to

0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:36.600
<v Speaker 1>check in on her sister, who was being looked after there.

0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:40.520
<v Speaker 1>With it getting late, she also wondered if the men

0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:43.560
<v Speaker 1>knew of any hotels nearby that she might use for

0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:47.640
<v Speaker 1>the night. It was only then that Peter noticed the

0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.600
<v Speaker 1>plastic bag she was carrying that seemed to have all

0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:53.520
<v Speaker 1>her possessions in it, and wondered if they shouldn't just

0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:59.080
<v Speaker 1>move on. Glenn, however, was eager to help, Thinking it

0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:01.760
<v Speaker 1>would be hard for Bena to find somewhere to stay

0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:05.200
<v Speaker 1>nearby so late in the day, he suggested she come

0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:07.520
<v Speaker 1>back to his house, where he could make her some

0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.480
<v Speaker 1>food and she could use his spare room for the night.

0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.440
<v Speaker 1>Glenn also had a brother that worked at the hospital

0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:16.760
<v Speaker 1>who might be able to give them an update on

0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:20.720
<v Speaker 1>how her sister was doing. Thanking him for the offer,

0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Sabina followed Glenn and Peter back to Glenn's house. For

0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.639
<v Speaker 1>the next few hours, the three of them shared some

0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:33.800
<v Speaker 1>drinks and chatted, but Sabina seemed unable to relax, sitting

0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:36.679
<v Speaker 1>for one minute, but then getting up the next and

0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:40.679
<v Speaker 1>peering suspiciously out of the window before returning to her seat.

0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:44.840
<v Speaker 1>Pulling a packet of cigarettes out of her bag, she

0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:48.320
<v Speaker 1>offered one to Glen and Peter, who gladly accepted, but

0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:51.280
<v Speaker 1>no sooner had they put them in their mouths, Sabina

0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:54.800
<v Speaker 1>grabbed them back, telling them that they couldn't smoke them

0:17:55.040 --> 0:18:00.840
<v Speaker 1>because they were poisoned. Though Glenn seemed untroubled by her behavior,

0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Peter grew more and more uncomfortable, until finally unable to

0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:10.000
<v Speaker 1>bear it any longer, he made his goodbyes and returned home.

0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:20.800
<v Speaker 1>The following day, Glenn's brother Paul, while on duty at

0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:24.680
<v Speaker 1>the University Hospital of North Staffordshire, received a call from

0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Glenn asking if he could inquire as to the whereabouts

0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:32.359
<v Speaker 1>of Ursula ericson. Paul said he would see what he

0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:35.080
<v Speaker 1>could do and agreed to call back when he had

0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:41.680
<v Speaker 1>the information. Later that day, around seven forty PM. Glenn's neighbor, Frank,

0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:44.560
<v Speaker 1>was washing a minibust that he looked after in the

0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:49.440
<v Speaker 1>alleyway behind his house when Glenn appeared unexpectedly, asking if

0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:53.000
<v Speaker 1>he could borrow some tea bags. Frank offered to get

0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:57.520
<v Speaker 1>him some once he'd finished cleaning the vehicle. Just over

0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:02.119
<v Speaker 1>a minute later, Glenn appeared again in the alleyway, only

0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:06.320
<v Speaker 1>this time he was stumbling forward and clutching at his chest.

0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:11.280
<v Speaker 1>She stabbed me, he said, what do you mean, said Frank,

0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:15.600
<v Speaker 1>looking on in disbelief. Then he saw the blood gushing

0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:19.160
<v Speaker 1>out of Glenn's neck that was also bleeding through his top.

0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:24.000
<v Speaker 1>She stabbed me, said Glenn again, as he collapsed to

0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:27.720
<v Speaker 1>the floor. Frank told him to hold on as he

0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:31.080
<v Speaker 1>dashed off inside to call an ambulance. By the time

0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:38.000
<v Speaker 1>he returned, Glenn was dead. At that moment, Joshua Grattige

0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:41.440
<v Speaker 1>was making his way toward heron Cross Roundabout in his car,

0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:45.400
<v Speaker 1>just two minutes from Glenn's house, when he was distracted

0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:49.720
<v Speaker 1>by a bizarre sight. It was Sabina standing on an

0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:53.680
<v Speaker 1>island between two roads, covered in blood and hitting herself

0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:58.160
<v Speaker 1>in the head with a lump hammer. Thinking the blood

0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:01.879
<v Speaker 1>must have been hers gratige, stopped the car immediately and

0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:05.000
<v Speaker 1>attempted to wrestle the hammer out of her hand, but

0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:08.000
<v Speaker 1>as he tried to grab it, Sabina fought him off.

0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:13.240
<v Speaker 1>As the frantic sirens of an approaching ambulance could be heard,

0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Sabina pushed herself free and raced off in the direction

0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:21.280
<v Speaker 1>of heron cross around about positioned above the busy AD

0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:27.200
<v Speaker 1>fifty trunk road. Without looking back, Sabina made her way

0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:29.520
<v Speaker 1>to the middle of a bridge section above the road,

0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:41.320
<v Speaker 1>climbed over the railings and jumped. Sabina fell thirty feet

0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:45.880
<v Speaker 1>to the hard concrete surface straight into oncoming traffic, breaking

0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:51.080
<v Speaker 1>both her ankles and fracturing her skull, but incredibly survived.

0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:56.200
<v Speaker 1>After two weeks, having been deemed to have sufficiently recovered,

0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:59.640
<v Speaker 1>Sabina was arrested for the murder of Glen Hollins's head,

0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:02.359
<v Speaker 1>who was found to have been stabbed five times with

0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:07.600
<v Speaker 1>a kitchen knife. However, it wouldn't be until September, three

0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:12.040
<v Speaker 1>months later that Sabina was finally released from hospital, taken

0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:17.240
<v Speaker 1>into custody, and formally charged with Glenn's murder. At about

0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:21.040
<v Speaker 1>the same time, Ursula was also declared well enough to

0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:25.320
<v Speaker 1>leave hospital. With no charges being brought against her, she

0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:29.360
<v Speaker 1>was free to leave the country. After traveling to Sweden

0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:32.760
<v Speaker 1>for a short time, she eventually returned to the US.

0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Sabina at first pleaded not guilty to the murder, then

0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:44.280
<v Speaker 1>at her eventual trial in September the following year, accepted

0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:49.920
<v Speaker 1>the charge of manslaughter with diminished responsibility. Prior to her trial,

0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:53.560
<v Speaker 1>she was given a psychiatric assessment by teams for both

0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:57.240
<v Speaker 1>the defense and prosecution, with each coming to the conclusion

0:21:57.600 --> 0:22:00.840
<v Speaker 1>that she'd been suffering a psychiatric episode at the time

0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:03.679
<v Speaker 1>of the killing, but by the time of her trial

0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:09.400
<v Speaker 1>was considered perfectly sane. Though a number of psychiatric explanations

0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:13.280
<v Speaker 1>were put forward by the opposing legal teams, in the end,

0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:19.000
<v Speaker 1>neither could say exactly what had occurred. Some believed she'd

0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:22.160
<v Speaker 1>suffered an episode of what is known as folly adeur,

0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:26.399
<v Speaker 1>a madness of two in which Sabina was considered to

0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:29.760
<v Speaker 1>have somehow been influenced by the presence of her twin sister,

0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:33.400
<v Speaker 1>who was judged to have been the instigator of the psychosis.

0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:38.040
<v Speaker 1>Others believed that she'd been suffering from an acute polymorphic

0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:43.640
<v Speaker 1>psychotic disorder, which would have left Sabina experiencing terrifying hallucinations

0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:49.400
<v Speaker 1>and delusions. However, since both illnesses are extremely rare and

0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:53.240
<v Speaker 1>ursula was never assessed, it was virtually impossible to know

0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:57.040
<v Speaker 1>for sure what had happened, and as a result, it

0:22:57.119 --> 0:22:59.920
<v Speaker 1>was extremely difficult for the judge to pass a sentence.

0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:05.040
<v Speaker 1>Unable to give her an indeterminate sentence in which she

0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:07.359
<v Speaker 1>would be released when she was no longer a danger

0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:11.280
<v Speaker 1>to the public since she already wasn't, in the end,

0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:13.960
<v Speaker 1>he was forced to give her a fixed term sentence

0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:17.960
<v Speaker 1>with no obligation that she be supervised or monitored after

0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:22.760
<v Speaker 1>her release throughout the entirety of her arrest and trial.

0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:27.080
<v Speaker 1>When asked to explain her and her sister's actions, Sabina

0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:35.439
<v Speaker 1>replied only no comment. If you enjoy listening to Unexplained

0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:38.239
<v Speaker 1>and would like to help supporters, you can now go

0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:43.719
<v Speaker 1>to Unexplained podcast dot com forward slash support. All donations,

0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:49.000
<v Speaker 1>no matter how large or small, are massively appreciated. All

0:23:49.000 --> 0:23:52.760
<v Speaker 1>elements have Unexplained are produced by me, Richard McClain smith.

0:23:53.560 --> 0:23:56.760
<v Speaker 1>Please subscribe and rate the show on iTunes, and feel

0:23:56.760 --> 0:23:59.160
<v Speaker 1>free to get in touch with any thoughts or ideas

0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:02.760
<v Speaker 1>regarding the story you've heard on the show. Perhaps you

0:24:02.800 --> 0:24:05.040
<v Speaker 1>have an explanation of your own you'd like to share.

0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:10.400
<v Speaker 1>You can reach us online at Unexplained podcast dot com,

0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:15.600
<v Speaker 1>or Twitter at Unexplained Pod and Facebook at Facebook dot com.

0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:23.240
<v Speaker 1>Forward slash Unexplained. Hello. Now it's time to take care

0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:27.439
<v Speaker 1>of yourself. To make time for you. Teledoc gives you

0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:30.640
<v Speaker 1>access to a licensed therapist to help you get back

0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:34.560
<v Speaker 1>to feeling your best. Speak to a licensed therapist by

0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:38.280
<v Speaker 1>phone or video anytime between seven am to nine pm

0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:42.840
<v Speaker 1>local time, seven days a week. Teledoc Therapy is available

0:24:42.880 --> 0:24:46.840
<v Speaker 1>through most insurance or employers. Download the app or visit

0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:51.680
<v Speaker 1>telldoc dot com, Forward slash Unexplained Podcast Today to get started.

0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:57.200
<v Speaker 1>That's teladoc dot com. Slash Unexplained Podcast