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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: Was I supposed to say that whole part of the beginning.

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Speaker 1: No, I think I was supposed to say to Rewind

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Speaker 1: with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: Every Wednesday, we recap our old shows with new commentary, updates,

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Speaker 2: and insight.

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Speaker 1: Today we're recapping episode eighty one. I have no idea

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Speaker 1: why this episode is called Weapon Bush, but I can't

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Speaker 1: wait to find out.

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Speaker 2: I mean, these are some of the fun mysteries that

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Speaker 2: get solved for us internally as we do these Rewind episodes.

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Speaker 2: And this one came out August tenth, twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: So let's listen to the intro of episode eighty one.

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Speaker 1: Oh weapin Bush.

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Speaker 2: If you have never laughed so quickly A smile you

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Speaker 2: just gave me was like, Karen, I know you're losing

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Speaker 2: your mind.

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Speaker 3: Please be here with me now. Guys. I just hello,

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Speaker 3: welcome to my favorite murder. Hi. Uh that's Karen, that's George.

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Speaker 2: I Uh, my dogs just got out. As I was

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Speaker 2: driving over here, I got a call from my god

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Speaker 2: blessed neighbor Carolyn. Uh, who is the one who people

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Speaker 2: go to because she knows everybody.

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Speaker 3: In the neighborhood and cookies. She I think. So she's

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Speaker 3: the best neighbor.

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Speaker 2: And my dog's already got out once this week, and

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Speaker 2: so when I saw her name come up on my phone,

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Speaker 2: I was like, no, God, and it was.

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Speaker 3: Her Frank and George bad dog. Yeah, it's George. So

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Speaker 3: she's there's the front gate.

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Speaker 2: It's locks but kind of not really, and I think

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Speaker 3: And so I had just left the house to come

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Speaker 3: the and where the gate is and everyone can just

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Speaker 3: go check it. Everyone's a while. Yeah, I think it

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Speaker 3: would be nice.

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Speaker 2: Uh, it's the worst feeling when a your dogs are

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Speaker 2: years and I've never replaced them. And see they've already

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Speaker 2: gotten out once this week and alerted the entire neighborhood

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Speaker 2: was in action trying and they were out all day

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Speaker 2: because I was at work.

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Speaker 1: He walked in to the apartment with like a perfectly

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Speaker 3: Glasses like it had been raining inside of her glasses.

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Speaker 3: There was like it's always raining inside of me. It

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Speaker 3: was just like, that's huge. You should have seen you drop,

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Speaker 3: Like you know how I can be. When I got out.

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Speaker 2: Of last car, a ballet dancer, the best, she just

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Speaker 2: of my car and there's a man sitting on his

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Speaker 2: front porch and I walked up and he didn't say

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Speaker 2: and then finally I went, do you have the dogs?

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Speaker 2: And he was like yeah, and he goes, is everything okay?

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Speaker 2: And I go, I guess not. And then I just

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Speaker 3: Of a man. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Crying if I'm a stranger is just like vulnerable you

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Speaker 1: can be and you hope they react.

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Speaker 3: Well He's like, oh honey, it's okay. He was shocked,

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Speaker 3: I would say he was shocked. And later was he

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Speaker 3: like how dad was?

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Speaker 1: He like?

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Speaker 3: What level of it he was?

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Speaker 2: Dad?

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Speaker 3: But I think he had a little bit of the

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Speaker 2: These dogs were wandering in the street, which I that's

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Speaker 2: the burn of it is that I one percent agree

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Speaker 2: with him. The fact that it's happened several times is

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Speaker 2: like unforgivable, and the idea that I'm just fucking driving around.

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Speaker 3: My dogs are like just in the just milo and

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Speaker 2: Out of it.

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Speaker 3: I'm so very upsetting. So anyway, that's how I that's

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Speaker 3: the energy I'm bringing tonight. I smiled at you like that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was like, wait, how are you going to

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Speaker 3: Ten minutes since you guys here. It's not like we

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Speaker 3: tea you want a tea or biscuit.

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Speaker 2: No, I came in hot with tears, tears, hot tears, tears.

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Speaker 3: Claments not my style. And now ge're just trying to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's like the most I've ever hugged anyone

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Speaker 2: It was really nice. I really appreciate it, genuinely.

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Speaker 3: You're welcome. We have burgers being delivered or have a

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Speaker 3: break for burgers at some.

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Speaker 2: Point, my god. And then I look at my phone, Carolyn.

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Speaker 2: I actually want to leave my phone up just in case.

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Speaker 1: I'm leaving my not bring now only because of burgers.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise it stresses me out so much. Okay, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: screen burgers. You're gonna hear a pause. You're not gonna

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Speaker 1: hear a pause. You're gonna hear nothing, because this is

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Speaker 1: a fucking professional podcast.

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Speaker 3: That's right. Steven's kinda cut, did it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, we haven't said in a while, but like we

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Speaker 1: didn't know this would be a thing, and we still

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Speaker 1: don't know this is a thing, this podcast.

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Speaker 3: It's a large adjustment. We're doing our best. We're doing

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Speaker 3: just love it, uh, and we're just trying to do it.

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Speaker 3: We're just trying. Uh, we're doing our best.

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Speaker 1: Looking listen, look and listen looking. I'm just listen, mashing

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Speaker 1: words up time and you got anything. Elvis is healthy?

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Speaker 3: Good, let's get it.

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Speaker 1: Let's get We've missed a couple of weeks of this,

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Speaker 1: so let's get one. At the top, Elvis want cookie? Whoa,

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Speaker 1: that's how healthy he is?

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Speaker 2: That was like Tom Jones level vocal pronounced hi friend.

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Speaker 1: And now asked the other question because I can't get

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Speaker 1: up very healthy, Stephen, will.

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Speaker 3: You get Elvis the cookie? One cookie?

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Speaker 3: I want a cookie? Boy, He's like hell yeah. So basically,

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Speaker 3: he had the flu.

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Speaker 1: He had the flu, he had the plague. That Dottie

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Speaker 1: the kitten brought. Yeah, she's adorable. She's here, Memi's here,

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Speaker 1: everyone's here. Oh, good's back to normal. Nice, I do

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Speaker 1: have something? Okay, Okay, so god, it feels like it's.

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Speaker 3: Been so long. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Like the last time that we podcast, remember, I was

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Speaker 1: like he had a brain hemorrhage and no bleeding or something. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we were talking about like what's a is a brain hemorrhage?

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Speaker 3: Or's a brain talking about aneurysms.

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Speaker 2: We're going into the things that we're heard of but

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Speaker 3: We were speculating. Yeah, that's all we do.

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Speaker 1: Well, it turns out that our friend Kara Klink, yes,

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Speaker 1: hilarious comedian, her brother is a brain surgeon.

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Speaker 3: What some sort why she never told me about that?

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Speaker 1: Let's see, she texted me and said, my brother is

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Speaker 1: a neurologist, and he said, I'm listening to my favorite

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Speaker 1: in on brain hemorrhage.

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Speaker 3: Get me Georgia's direct number. And I've met him and

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Speaker 3: he's like this sweet normal kid, like.

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Speaker 1: At a comedy party and like all these fucking comedians

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Speaker 1: and he's just like.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I'm a brain doctor. Oh my god, hello, cute

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Speaker 3: plum aside. I know somebody?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so he I was like, yes, I needed to

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Speaker 1: know everything, so she he's his name is Colin.

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Speaker 3: Hi George, this is Colin, Kara's brother.

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Speaker 1: Here's my little blurb on cerebral Hemorrhageka, as you do,

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Speaker 3: Isn't neither of you was wrong.

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Speaker 1: Generally speaking, hemorrhage just means bleeding, usually profusely, but not always.

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Speaker 1: brain can be disastrous, and it's still called a hemorrhage,

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Speaker 1: So cerebral hemage is just a general term for bleeding

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Speaker 1: in the brain. Lots of different things can cause cerebral hemorrhage,

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Speaker 1: including trauma or aneurysms.

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Speaker 3: As Karen pointed out, oh yes, being like so Karen

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Speaker 3: was right, so are you.

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Speaker 2: He's like a grammar school teacher encouraging us to learn to.

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Speaker 1: Just keep talking out of school, just to just to

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Speaker 1: not give up. Cerebral Hemmage can also lead a stroke,

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Speaker 1: as you elluded, He's like, Karen was right, Georgia, and.

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Speaker 3: Here for you too, but blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: Also cook clarification about since it came up and aneurysm

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Speaker 1: aneurysms every day. Can you tell that I'm not practiced

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Speaker 1: in speaking smart words. Anurism is a hard word to say.

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Speaker 2: All of my mouth hurts, right, And also the concept

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Speaker 2: that you just introduced is very difficult. I don't even

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Speaker 2: want to talk about that. We're all walking. That's like

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Speaker 2: the shingles virus is already inside you. I don't want

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Speaker 1: The shingles virus is calling from inside that body. The

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Speaker 1: shingles virus is sneaking up on you with a big knife.

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Speaker 1: But you turn around and or you close the medicine

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Speaker 3: But then it's on your backs. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: They only become hemorrhages when they rapture and bleed into

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Speaker 3: Okay, so I said this is such great info. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I'll read it for corrections corner next week, my pleasure.

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Speaker 3: Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: Also apologies, send my apologies to Steve him. I ran

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Speaker 1: outside him, I ran into him outside Kara's apartment when

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Speaker 3: Like, excuse me, are you Stephen Ray Morris a big fan,

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Speaker 3: and I wrote, hah, he loves that shit. I loved it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: day A big fan of Steven's editing, so nice.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that was because I did the pizza bomber murder.

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Speaker 1: And remember the woman who they thought killed her ex

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Speaker 1: boyfriend had sent him an aneurism. But I was like,

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Speaker 1: you can't get an aneurysm unless someone hits you. I don't.

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Speaker 2: I made some shit up right right right, Well, we

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Speaker 2: have these ideas. It's all from forensic files. It's all

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Speaker 2: just sitting in our brain from like a combination of

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Speaker 2: forensic files in Law and Order where you're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I know this, let me take this.

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Speaker 1: Let me take this, because I've I've taken every single

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Speaker 1: episode of Forensic Files and put.

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Speaker 3: Them into one into my brain.

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Speaker 1: So I was like this one girl who was dying

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Speaker 1: testified in court, so insane. Yeah, that was a really

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Speaker 1: a good case. That was a good case. Do you

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Speaker 1: have anything, just.

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Speaker 3: This one aneurysm.

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Speaker 2: You know what I will. I want to say this,

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Speaker 2: and this is like I don't want to be a

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Speaker 2: big deal.

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Speaker 3: But there was an article written on bitch media and.

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Speaker 2: It was an article about this podcast being racist, and

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Speaker 2: there's been people who contacted us on social media. I

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Speaker 2: think feeling nervous about that are defensive And here's what

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Speaker 3: And it makes her really mad, really.

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00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 2: Because people like family friends will welcome, go are you

443
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Speaker 2: Karen Median and she'll go, no, I'm Laura, the one

444
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,679
Speaker 2: that shapes children's minds. She's a teacher because she's a

445
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 2: genius teacher. NBD, no big deal. Okay those are our two. No no, no,

446
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,360
Speaker 2: like there's a few more that are. Stephen the Third's here.

447
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 2: Oh god, I just hung up on him ship.

448
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 3: Stephen, can you do have big favor and go down

449
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,920
Speaker 3: to the don't cut this sing at the bottom of

450
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 3: the stairs ducked? Which is can you? Yeah? Is this

451
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 3: added it? Okay, but don't stop it. Keep going.

452
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,640
Speaker 1: Bring the key to the gate because sometimes they will

453
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Speaker 1: lock you out.

454
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 3: There's a key like on the hook. No, no, no, yeah,

455
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 3: that's good. He hook it's good.

456
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Speaker 2: Also, can I just say, in this moment of chaos

457
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Speaker 2: cares well chaos as a ladder, as we all learned

458
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,400
Speaker 2: on Game of Thrones last week, No spoilers.

459
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Speaker 3: Wait do you want to?

460
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 1: But I said burgers and then you can you can

461
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 1: leave burgers in yeah, len Dotty Burger time. So Sydney

462
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:57,119
Speaker 1: Opera House September twelfth coming up.

463
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Speaker 3: And then but ba boo boop up.

464
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 1: Oh Detroit, we added a show to you, oh, which

465
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 1: is so cool because people like so we're gonna be

466
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:12,120
Speaker 1: in Detroit September twenty ninth, and September twenty ninth, there's

467
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,679
Speaker 1: an early show in the late show, and then uh,

468
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 1: San Diego, we added a show because you're fucking awesome too.

469
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 1: September thirteenth, there's the late show. I'm then Anaheim. We're

470
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Speaker 1: coming to you on the fourteenth of October. Second show

471
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Speaker 1: at the Orpheum in Madison, Wisconsin, Wisconsin. Now you guys

472
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Speaker 1: sold out Friday the twentieth, so we're adding sept October

473
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Speaker 1: the twenty first, Saturday the next night, okay, and then Tampa.

474
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Speaker 1: We have the November third for you at the hard Rock.

475
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Speaker 1: On the fourth, we have Orlando, and then Fort Lauderdale

476
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Speaker 1: on the fifth. Come there the da da be boo

477
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Speaker 1: boo bub be boop boop. That's that's f There's other

478
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Speaker 1: shows too, but those are the ones are like, have tickets.

479
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 3: Like a lot tickets available.

480
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Speaker 1: Guys, So everything else go look at my favorite murder

481
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Speaker 1: dot coms off slash Live uh.

482
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 3: And more dates to come.

483
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Speaker 2: There are people that tweet a lot, saying going naming

484
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 2: cities and saying why do you hate us? You're going

485
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 2: to be so pleasantly surprised. That is all I'm saying

486
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 2: those are all twenty seventeen yits that we've announced. We

487
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 2: can't tell you certain things, but we're going to be

488
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 2: able to soon, so just have a little faith, have

489
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 2: a little hope. I would say the same thing to

490
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Speaker 2: the girl that tweeted me and said, you guys didn't

491
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Speaker 2: release a mini this.

492
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Speaker 3: Week.

493
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Speaker 1: Uh.

494
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Speaker 3: And then she mentioned something about Unqualified.

495
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: Oh uh huh that we're unqualified to podcast. Uh Nope.

496
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 2: She mentioned something about on a Farris and I just

497
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,479
Speaker 2: thought it was such an odd coincidence because we're going

498
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 2: to be on Unqualified with Honaffaris next week. We did

499
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Speaker 2: a combo hybrid episode. Dooh we're a trio? Yeah, even

500
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 2: we all compare well, actually a quadro if you include Sam,

501
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 2: who is her producer, was.

502
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 3: On her podcast another one with Stephen. Stephen was there too,

503
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 3: he's a five. Oh.

504
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Speaker 4: I mean I was just hanging out, just kind of

505
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 4: touching the leather couches.

506
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Speaker 3: Just I mean, that was a nice It was really nice.

507
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 2: We had a good time at Honest House, and we

508
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 2: had we got to give people advice that we were

509
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 2: also unqualified to give.

510
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 3: Anna gave a fucking her murder, which was awesome. Yes,

511
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 3: it was fun, so fucking cool.

512
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 2: She's the best I've I've honestly always been a fan, honest, honest,

513
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 2: I've honestly the movie Just Friends. If you haven't seen

514
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 2: it with Anna Faris Ryan Reynolds, I don't know the

515
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 2: name of the lead girls. Arena just distracted you so much.

516
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 2: But if you haven't seen that movie, it's the best. Anyway,

517
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 2: I've loved her since that movie. We're gonna be on that.

518
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 2: That's gonna be this coming week. Whatever that is, good time,

519
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: great oldies, great oldies.

520
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: Also, besides, uh, Laura, his birthday, Vince's birthdays coming.

521
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 3: Up this week. Got birthday?

522
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 1: That's right, Vince's birthday, birthday date, the name of and

523
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Speaker 1: date of his the location of his birthday party. Yes,

524
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: that's great. There's a reason I'm saying that that. I'm

525
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 1: not gonna say it because then everyone will actually know it.

526
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: But he's having a joint birthday party with some people,

527
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: and one of the people just puts it up on

528
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Speaker 1: fucking social media.

529
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 3: For everyone to know. I know the person.

530
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, the famousist, the famousist of them is like, got it.

531
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: But last year Nichol was at his birthday party.

532
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Speaker 3: Oh that's nice, right, All right, I got murder.

533
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 2: Oh yes, my neighbor just texted me and said he's

534
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 2: going to fix my fence tomorrow.

535
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 3: Hell yes, everybody, Well he doesn't think fix my fence

536
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 3: is a wink wink.

537
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: Like break George's legs, like so she can never get

538
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: out again.

539
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry. That was horrible. Hi, best friend, look.

540
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: Is come right over me me being like, please get

541
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Speaker 1: me the fuck out of here.

542
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 3: This kitten is killing me.

543
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Speaker 1: You know.

544
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 2: It would be so funny though, then she I put

545
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 2: her down in my house and the dogs just come

546
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 2: running straight at her, but none hug her and hug

547
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 2: her close to their chests. Mamy would beat the ship

548
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 2: out of them. Yes, for sure, no shoe went. Frank

549
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 2: would have no eyes left.

550
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: He'd be like seeing the way they throw the doll

551
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: of me around in the air, which I need.

552
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 3: To put on fucking Instagram again. But that would meet

553
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 3: me girl? Okay? Stephen, Stephen, who have any idea his first?

554
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 4: I tried really hard this time.

555
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 3: It's Karen, damn it?

556
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Speaker 4: Because well, I mean again, people are like, do the

557
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Speaker 4: live shows count? But that was the last episode. Karen,

558
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 4: Karen went last. So Karen goes.

559
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Speaker 2: Chris Okay, yeah, I don't know if the live shows count.

560
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 3: We're creating our own reality here.

561
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Speaker 1: I think the episodes we post count, right, but except

562
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Speaker 1: they're not real time to us.

563
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Speaker 3: That's the weird part. How about after live shows? We

564
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 3: get it, we got to choose who goes first?

565
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: Sure, but only only only on that like only I'm

566
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: that scenario, which one that we in the scenario where

567
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 2: we have just posted a live show.

568
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, if we've just posted a live show because we

569
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, so much going on?

570
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 3: But okay, so then haven't we rock paper scisors right now? Baby?

571
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 2: Basically a live show does a reset, is what you're saying.

572
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: That sounds fine to me. Hey, ck, we do rock

573
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: paper scissors hit. Okay, paper scissors hit. That means you

574
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: get a desire or just cut George's paper. I'm scissor.

575
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: She's paper.

576
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 3: Scissors on paper song, which means Karen goes first. I'll

577
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 3: go first.

578
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: Okay, that was unnecessary.

579
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: There is a level of hysteria to this episode that

580
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: I am enjoying quite a bit.

581
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 3: Because your dogs didn't get hit by cars.

582
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 2: Because my dogs aren't dead. My name neighbor's going to

583
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: fix my fence. Oh I didn't even tell you guys

584
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 2: about the sunburn that I have if I had a smaller.

585
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 3: Upper random but like, oh when I also didn't tell you?

586
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 3: Is what happened? Can you see you're just not pale?

587
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 3: Oh no, that's red. Yeah, oh that's gonna be my

588
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 3: whole back. What happened?

589
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 2: I just stood outside for fifteen minutes like a fool,

590
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: like some sort of normal person with normal skin.

591
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 3: I know you were that irish.

592
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I do it where I'll save it, save it,

593
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: save it. And then all of a sudden, I'm like,

594
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: I love, I'm going to go outside and stand in

595
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 2: the pool, and then I do it for like I'll

596
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 2: start reading my phone or something, and then I'm just

597
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 2: standing around with no sunblock on for like an extended

598
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 2: period of time at one o'clock, which is the you

599
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: know you can't do it.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that about you. Yeah, how I burn?

601
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

602
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: I That's why I don't like all the life anything.

603
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: That's why I don't like anything.

604
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: It's like, don't like photosynthesis because we live in a

605
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: summertime city where everybody here has perfect skin, and you're

606
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: wearing right now, you're wearing a terry cloth like summer

607
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: jump ye, like you're living the life because I am

608
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: a nondescript jew who can tan? I know, and you

609
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: like you have a consistency. Right now, I look like

610
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: Neapolitan ice cream. I am deeply tan. I am frighteningly white.

611
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 3: But here's what I want you to know. There's a pinkness.

612
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: Here's what you guys got to remember at people and

613
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: how they look, and they have this perfect thing. I

614
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: am so fucking anxious and have so much anxiety around

615
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: the bathing suit strapped hand lines that I am so

616
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: insane in the sun that that's why I don't have them.

617
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: I don't look like that's great glowy tan and it's

618
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: just not big deal, Like I will not go outside

619
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: with fucking straps on. Oh okay, you're all different, Karens.

620
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 3: So you work.

621
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,959
Speaker 2: You're saying you really put in the mental and the physical.

622
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: Work, because I think nothing looks just trashier than having,

623
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: like especially the I'm going to insult a lot of people, you.

624
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 3: Know, like including the one you're looking at right now. No,

625
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 3: I'm not I don't care about any of that.

626
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying the triangle key need tan line girl that

627
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: goes up around your neck, Well, you don't wear a

628
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: house I've never seen a fucking All I want to do,

629
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: and aside from your if I, all I.

630
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: Want to do right now is take my shirt off

631
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: and show you it's not a farmer's tan anymore. Now

632
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: I've got the thing that's happening to me right now

633
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: is is like a lobster tan.

634
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: But that's what You have a fucking pool in your

635
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: backyard that you'd just be like tits out right, So

636
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: what the fuck tits out fits out? Everyone who's looking

637
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: for that backyard where they can break into there's also

638
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,959
Speaker 1: a pool back there, and there's a Karen kil Garreff

639
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: without uh No, I wear a full calf tan all

640
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: at all times, except for the fifteen minutes.

641
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: I didn't do it today, and I'm now I don't

642
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: know where this is going.

643
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 3: I don't have.

644
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: Time, and yet all I want to do is talk

645
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: about this. All I want to do is what if

646
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: I did an episode without murder?

647
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 3: We could do it? Well, we must be thirty minutes in,

648
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 3: already forty five.

649
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,479
Speaker 2: And we are back.

650
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 3: We're back.

651
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: This was your old house in Burbank, right were you

652
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: still there.

653
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, that's right.

654
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: So that's where George was able to like climb a fence.

655
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 3: It wasn't your fault.

656
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: I just want to go ahead and like, yeah, it

657
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: wasn't like Karen's being an irresponsible dog owner where it's like,

658
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: what do you mean, of course that happened.

659
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 3: It's like this brilliant dog.

660
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: Yes, she was climbing the fence like a human being, flipping.

661
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 2: When she'd get to the top, she flipped over, fell

662
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: into a hedge, rolled off and walked up the street.

663
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: And the all purposely like the falling into a hedge

664
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: was in an accident.

665
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: Now, she planned it like a weird like a like

666
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 2: a bandit.

667
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 3: Have you seen them?

668
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, But the only reason I know that is

669
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: because my neighbor Rick was standing in the driveway next

670
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: to that bush for the third time she did it,

671
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,239
Speaker 2: and he witnessed the whole thing because I'd already called him.

672
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: He was a contractor, right, I'd already called him and said,

673
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: all my fences are broken. I don't know what's happening.

674
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: Like I'm becoming the bane of this neighborhood.

675
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're the bad owner, and it's like you're not

676
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: a bad owner yourself.

677
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 3: A really smart dog.

678
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, who goes up to Priscilla this cafe and gets

679
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: people to pet her? Wait what Priscilla's was up on

680
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: the corner.

681
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: She would walk to the cafe.

682
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: She'd walk up to the cafe and then be like

683
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: walking around and people like, oh my god, this dog.

684
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 2: And then it got posted on fucking Facebook.

685
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: You're so lucky that you got her back. Oh my god.

686
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 3: I would have taken her home immediately and been like

687
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 3: my dog.

688
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: Yep, and like, oh sorry, there's no tags. She had tags,

689
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: of course, her tags on.

690
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 3: She shipped clearly shipps.

691
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, completely. But the third time she did it, she

692
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: got brought to the pound.

693
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 3: So that's a fucking lesson.

694
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a bunch of people giving you their

695
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: turkey from their sandwiches like Prisillas.

696
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: It's fucking that's like. And when I went to pick

697
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: her up, she was in the kennel like with the

698
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: panic dies and I was like, you did this to yourself,

699
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 2: You did this to you.

700
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: I see the heartwarming videos of the dog being so

701
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: happy to see the owner and.

702
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: Not the like, well, yeah her tail was wagging, but

703
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: her eyes were gigantic and just like, yeah, I hope

704
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: this is enough trauma for you to start doing this.

705
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: It's like when you're my cat most constantly try to

706
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: get out and I'm like, you will get eaten by

707
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: a coyote immediately.

708
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 3: It's not a prize.

709
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: Yes, it's not a big fucking surprise like World Brave

710
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: that you're missing.

711
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: There's not a bunch of herring waiting for you at

712
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: the end of the driveway.

713
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: But you know where there is dried hairing in your

714
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: fucking cat food cover, like literal dried hairing where mommy

715
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: gives it bit.

716
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 3: You gotta leave, Okay, So crazy?

717
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then I love that the brain hemorrhage conversation

718
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: that we were this is like just this is classic.

719
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,719
Speaker 3: And my fam of like, tell us what we said wrong?

720
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 2: And so we had just referred casually to a brain hemorrhage,

721
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: and then Kara Clink's brother was like, Hey, this is

722
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: how that's wrong.

723
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: What's the difference between a brain hemorrhage and a brain aneurysm?

724
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 2: Oh okay?

725
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: And so Kara Clink actually has like four, like five

726
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: or six siblings and they all do something really interesting.

727
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: I've met a handful of them and they're all lovely

728
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: and so, yeah, what abom's a brain surgeon and corrected us.

729
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: And then it's so funny because it was twenty seventeen,

730
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: we didn't even have a network yet, and now you

731
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: guys know Kara Klink is one of the hosts of

732
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: That's Messed Up to Be You podcast on the Exactly

733
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: Right Network.

734
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: It's almost like it's legit. Going through these was like,

735
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 2: these are our real friends. Yeah, we're referencing. I'm socially

736
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,959
Speaker 2: referencing Bridger, You're socially refacing Kara Klang.

737
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: And actually she and I were talking the other day

738
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: about how Kara Kling was at the Halloween party we

739
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: met at YEP and she and her husband Jared, and

740
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: our friend Crystal were supposed to be three blind mice together,

741
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: but Crystal got social anxiety and didn't show up, so

742
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: it was just Jared and Karath two blind mice the

743
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: whole time.

744
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: But also, what if you had spent your time talking

745
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 2: to Crystal and we never met see.

746
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: If Crystal had been there, she and I would have

747
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: been awkward and weird in a corner together because we

748
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 1: are yes and she didn't come.

749
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 3: Then I was like, I love her.

750
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 2: She's the best. She's such a fun person to talk

751
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: to and hang out with. But I bet you that

752
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 2: was you were slightly unbalanced because you didn't have your party.

753
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: Posse, and she and I don't think we knew each

754
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: other that well yet either, So it wasn't like I

755
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: would have taxed him, like, bitch, you fuck you better

756
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: come like you can't leave me alone here, which I

757
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 1: do now well.

758
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: Also, Kara Klink is one of the three people that

759
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 2: I told my horrible story too. It's right, so this

760
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: is all very ground zero for us for sure. Yeah,

761
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: love it.

762
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 1: That's what you fucking find out on rewind with Karen

763
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 1: And all right, well, should we get into your five?

764
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: Is this the story where he has like a costume

765
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: on and it's terrible? Oh god, this one fucking scares

766
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 1: the shit out of me. Okay, let's get into Karen's

767
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: story about Peter Curtin the Vampire of Dusel Dwarf.

768
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 3: The world is canceled.

769
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: We're going to know put this on this you know

770
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 2: how you can do it one point five speed or

771
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: two speed?

772
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: Me?

773
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, like all podcasts, we're going to talk like that.

774
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: So if you put it on on times two, it's

775
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 2: gonna be like times ten.

776
00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 3: Yeah. This week I'm doing Peter Curtin The Vampire of Dusseldorf. Yeah.

777
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 3: Have you heard of him?

778
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: You know him?

779
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 3: It don't. It's one of those things that you book

780
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 3: mark a million times to maybe do and then you

781
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 3: don't do it.

782
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: There's another guy that's German that was called like the

783
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: Werewolf of something that I thought this guy was, and

784
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: so I was. I thought it was going to be

785
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: like I'm doing ten hundreds. You know that you are

786
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 2: If I was, now I'm not mind blowing. But then

787
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 2: when I look this up, this guy is so fucked

788
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 2: he is like Albert Fish level.

789
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 3: Fuck. Oh my god, my god. Yeah, so it was exciting.

790
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 3: I mostly took this.

791
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: Most of the information is from biography dot com, which

792
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 2: is such a good when you get one of those

793
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 2: articles they do it. Here's the thing when you research

794
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 2: these stories, yes you know who's good. Every victim is

795
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: like one in one article, she's ten years old, in

796
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 2: another one she's thirteen, in another one she's nine, and

797
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: it literally one time she's seventeen. The times changed, the

798
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: dates change, the age is change. You get on biography

799
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: biography dot com and you're like, this is golden There's.

800
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: Can Biography, dot Com, Vanity Fair, Washington Post, New York Times,

801
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 1: lock and Load, lock and lockload dot Com, Lock and load.

802
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 3: Dot Com. And you are you have all the details.

803
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 3: You're good to go. Martha Stewart Living, she knows all

804
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 3: the good killer info does.

805
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: Okay, Peter Curtin Bull in eighteen eighty three, We're going

806
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: all the way back.

807
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 3: You were like, I'm not doing that. I know immediately

808
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 3: my own Nope.

809
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: Right as I started doing that voice, my sunburn flared

810
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: and I was like, no voices.

811
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 3: What are your sunburn is like your psyche, that's like

812
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 3: shop from it Coop.

813
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 2: My sunburn is my dad's voice from my childhood, going, hey,

814
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: show off times over.

815
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 3: All my dad did my whole child Did Jesse pop

816
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 3: your dad? Is Jessezy really show ups times over? Does

817
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 3: he say stuff like that?

818
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: It sounds like Jessein our friend does Hey, hey that?

819
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 2: And you're not better than me. You think you're better

820
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 2: than me, you think you're better than me, you're better

821
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: than me?

822
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 3: Okay okay.

823
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: Born in eighteen eighty three, Peter was the eldest of

824
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 2: thirteen children.

825
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 3: Both parents severe alcoholics, either please don't do it.

826
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 2: Father a brutal sadist who had beat his wife, beat

827
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 2: the children, viciously molested his daughters, and would sometimes gather

828
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: the children and make them watch him have sex with

829
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: their mother. He was eventually arrested for raping his daughter

830
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: multiple times.

831
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 3: So terrible, terrible kickoff for Peter Kurk, very bad childhood,

832
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 3: all bad.

833
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: In nineteen oh two, when he was nine years old,

834
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 2: he'd brief befriended a dog catcher who lived in the

835
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 2: same apartment building as him.

836
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 3: Super ChIL did right, people who catch dogs and kill

837
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: them right?

838
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: Actually, this man would keep the dogs in, torture them,

839
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 2: and he taught Peter all.

840
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: About it is so weird. Like themed episode for you

841
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: about dog catchers.

842
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 2: This is called dog anxiety by Karen kill Garaff.

843
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: This is why I am surrounded by cats right now? Yes, exactly,

844
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: So okay.

845
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: So Peter having a terrible parent and then also his

846
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: father went off to jail, so he basically bonded with

847
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 2: the worst person he could ever be around. So terrible childhood,

848
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 2: terrible outside influence. When he was eleven years old, he

849
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 2: told the police that he was playing on a raft

850
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 2: with a school mate, and he pushed the boy into

851
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: the water because he knew the boy couldn't swim, And

852
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 2: when another schoolmate saw this happen, the second boy jumped

853
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: into the water to save the first boy, and Peter

854
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: Curtain leaned down and pushed both their hoods heads underwater

855
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 2: and drown them both. And the police when the police

856
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 2: came upon it, they ruled it in accidental drowning.

857
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: My mouth is I'm not just being quiet because I'm

858
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: not a I'm only quiet when i'm shocked.

859
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 2: It's a jar that's fucked up. The bar is a jar.

860
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 2: And nine years no, sorry, eleven years old. It's so ye,

861
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,919
Speaker 2: it's like the age of my niece. It's so creepily young.

862
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 3: Wow.

863
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: So then when he became an adolescent, his fetish for

864
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 2: animal cruelty developed into full on bestiality. Thanks to the

865
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 2: old dogcatcher, he began to have sex with barnyard animals,

866
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: and he then developed or progressed into killing the animals

867
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: while he was fucking them. No, no, no, no, we

868
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: don't have to We don't have to live there for

869
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 2: very long.

870
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 3: Let's move on.

871
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 2: He of course, was always running away from home to

872
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: get away from his father's violence and sadism, but then

873
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: he always ended up having to come back. When he

874
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 2: was sixteen, on his way out of town, one time,

875
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: when he was running away, he met a woman. He

876
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 2: lured her into the local park, where he raped her

877
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 2: and strangled her. Okay, So in nineteen thirteen, at the

878
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 2: age of twenty, he's out on his own, he starts robbing.

879
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 3: You know, he's doing a lot of petty crimes.

880
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 2: I guess he starts breaking into taverns because there's a

881
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: business on the downstairs, then there's living quarters on the upstairs.

882
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 3: So on May.

883
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: Twenty fifth, nineteen thirteen, he breaks into an establishment that's

884
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: owned by the Klein family. So as the parents worked downstairs,

885
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 2: Peter Curtin snuck into their living quarters upstairs, found ten

886
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: year old Christine Kleine asleep in her bed, raped or

887
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 2: strangled her, slit her throat, then sat there and watched

888
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: her bleed out. The next morning, he returned to the

889
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 2: scene of the crime. He went to the pub across

890
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 2: the street, and he bought a drink and sat amongst

891
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 2: the locals and listened to them as they talked about

892
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 2: what happened and speculated about who did it.

893
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 3: But how old was he at this point twenty.

894
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 2: And at the time, an uncle in the Klein family

895
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 2: and the father who owned the pub had been fighting,

896
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 2: and the uncle had threatened his brother and said, like,

897
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 2: I'm going to do something that you're going to regret.

898
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 3: So for a little everybody.

899
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 2: Thought the uncle did it, and he actually eventually was

900
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 2: let off, but he was actually a main suspect in

901
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: this murder. Two months later, he broke into another tap tavern.

902
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 2: At this time, three sisters were sleeping in their beds.

903
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: He went to the girl in the center bed. She

904
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 2: was seventeen year old Gertrude Franken, and he strangled her

905
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 2: while she slept.

906
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 3: He killed her.

907
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: And then snuck back out. Neither of her sisters woke up, kind.

908
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: Of like specifically specifically evil thing to do horribly, like

909
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: I'm letting them wake up to this, yeah.

910
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: Purpose, Yeah, on purpose. No, he he is a deranged mind.

911
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 2: It's it's all the worst things combined, because clearly he

912
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 2: already was a sociopath. But then he had the worst

913
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: childhood a human being could possibly have, the worst family

914
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: a human being could possibly have, the worst outside influence,

915
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: like it just came at him from every direction. In

916
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 2: nineteen thirteen, he was arrested for arson, So we're he's

917
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: all about that McDonald triad. They call it of hurting

918
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 2: animals arson.

919
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 3: He probably was a tryad. I saw that word today too,

920
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 3: and I'm looking something up.

921
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I think that's the person that made it up,

922
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: the McDonald's triad to cheeseburger.

923
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: Killing animals, special sauce, light all that on fire, and

924
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: then light it all on fire.

925
00:43:52,960 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 2: With okay, with each success successive sentence Peter Curtain's rage.

926
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 3: This is a direct quote from the biography channel page.

927
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 2: As I'm reading this, I'm like, this is hard to read, oh,

928
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 2: because it's a cut and paste. Peter Curtain's rage against

929
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: society and his capacity for depravity increased. So when he

930
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: would go to jail, he gets sent to solitary confinement,

931
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: which I'm sure Chill is back right. Well, when he

932
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 2: was there, he was able to very deeply fantasize, very

933
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: vividly about the brutal sex acts that he enjoyed, and

934
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 2: so then he ended up he would break prison rules

935
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 2: intentionally so that he would get the longest sentence.

936
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 3: In solitary convironment because he liked it so much. It's disgusting. Okay.

937
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 2: He was called up for military service at the start

938
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 2: of World War One, but he deserted and he was jailed.

939
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 2: He remained in prison until nineteen twenty one, which was

940
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 2: his longest sentence to date. And when he get out

941
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 2: of prison, he married an older woman, a sex worker

942
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 2: who he knew, who had served time for killing her fiance.

943
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: Her name was Augusta. They were a great pair. They

944
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 2: found real love. He became a molder. I think that,

945
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: so he maybe shaped crown moldings places castor plaster, castor plaster.

946
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 2: They lived in relative normalcy for four years and then

947
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: they moved back to Dusseldorf, and right around that time,

948
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 2: rapes began being reported all.

949
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 3: Over the city.

950
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 2: Okay, so now he's going into it. We're in nineteen

951
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: twenty nine, now, February third. He meets a woman named

952
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: Maria Kohn.

953
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 3: He ends up.

954
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 2: Stabbing her twenty four times with a pair of scissors.

955
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 2: So this now he starts carrying a pair of scissors

956
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 2: around with him at all times. He is not an

957
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 2: organized killer like I think they're saying, like he's he's

958
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 2: an impulse killer.

959
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 3: But he so he.

960
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: Like he knows who he wants to kill, and he

961
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: plans that a little bit beforehead but he doesn't plan anything.

962
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 3: It's like there it is, and goes for it. But

963
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 3: he knows what he's looking.

964
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: But he's got his scissors in his pocket because he's

965
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 2: like wants to be ready.

966
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: Okay.

967
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 2: So February ninth, nineteen twenty nine, five days after attacking

968
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 2: Maria Kun, he strangles nine year old Rosa Olager, stabs

969
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 2: her all over her entire body. He leaves, then returned

970
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: to the body hours later and sets it on fire.

971
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 2: Monster On February thirteenth, he stabs forty five year old

972
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 2: mechanic Rudolph Sheer twenty times with his scissors. He returns

973
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 2: to the seam of the crime again and this time

974
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 2: speaks to detectives about what happened.

975
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 3: The German press obviously is covering all of this right.

976
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: And at one point they find out from police that

977
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: the police are theorizing that this attacker is drinking the

978
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 2: blood of his victim, and so that's when the German

979
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: press dubs him the vampire Duseldorf. Now, at one point,

980
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 2: right around this time, a learning disabled man named Stausburg

981
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 2: admitted to all of the vampire killings, so he's committed

982
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 2: to an asylum and the police have convinced himselves that

983
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 2: the case is solved. Six months after that, on August eleventh,

984
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 2: he asks a woman named Maria Hahn to a date

985
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 2: at a pub. He gets her alone, rapes her, strangles her,

986
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: stabs her to death, buries her body in a cornfield.

987
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: He visits the body so for him, right bearing body, Yes,

988
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: because he's almost like, oh, I got away with this,

989
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: so I'm going to be different about it.

990
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 2: Yes, it's escalating and he's like getting creative.

991
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: Because someone got caught for his shit. Maybe it's almost

992
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: smart that he you know what I mean, Like it

993
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: almost shows that how smart he was right where it's

994
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: like you didn't keep doing the same thing you were.

995
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 2: Like he changed it, and he does it again, the

996
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 2: same thing again.

997
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 3: Later, he.

998
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 2: Buries the body in the cornfield, goes and visits it,

999
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 2: visits it a bunch of times, and eventually sends an

1000
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: anonymous letter to the.

1001
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 3: Police revealing her burial spot.

1002
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 2: So three days later, after he murders Maria Hahn on

1003
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 2: October twenty fourth, nineteen twenty nine, he's in a suburb

1004
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 2: of Germany, two foster sisters are attending affair together, fourteen

1005
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 2: year old Louisa Lenson and five year old Gertrude Honeker,

1006
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 2: and Peter Curtin sees them there by themselves, so he

1007
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 2: chats with them, He charms them, he makes friends with them.

1008
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 2: At one point, he sends Louisa off for cigarettes, then

1009
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: leads five year old Gertrude into the bush's strangles here

1010
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 2: and slits her throat. So the next day he attacks

1011
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 2: another woman. Her name's Gertrude Schultz. She survives the attack

1012
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 2: and she gives the police a description of her attacker.

1013
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: She says he's a pleasant looking man.

1014
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 3: In his forties.

1015
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 2: So now after all of these attacks, the entire city

1016
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 2: of Dusseldorf is in a panic. In September of nineteen

1017
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 2: twenty nine, he rapes house servant named Ida Router and

1018
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 2: then beats her to death with a hammer and leaves

1019
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 2: her body next to a river.

1020
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 3: So he's changing his m O again.

1021
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 2: The next month, on October twelfth, he meets another servant girl.

1022
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 2: Her name was Elizabeth Doriere, and he asks her out.

1023
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: They walk along a river and he hits her in

1024
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 2: the head with a hammer. He rapes her, beats her

1025
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 2: to death with the hammer, and leaves her body there

1026
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: by the river. A few days later, he attacks two

1027
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 2: more people with his hammer, but they survive. So basically,

1028
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 2: now he's causing mass hysteria in Dusseldorf. The press is

1029
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 2: going crazy, and he loves it. He's eating it up.

1030
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 2: November ninth, nineteen twenty nine, he sent a newspaper a

1031
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: hand drawn map that detailed the position of the body

1032
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 2: that he left his most recent victim, a five year

1033
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 2: old girl named Gertrude Alberman.

1034
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 3: How many Gertrudes are there?

1035
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 2: There's three? I think there's more. There's three or four

1036
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: because it's Germany in the thirties and twenties.

1037
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 3: Come on.

1038
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 2: He stabbed this five year old thirty five times and

1039
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 2: then hit her under some rubble. And then after he

1040
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 2: did that, he waited around an angry mob formed when

1041
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 2: they found out that another little girl had been murdered,

1042
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 2: and he joined the mob and protested along with Oh.

1043
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 3: So it's that to me, that like, move right there

1044
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 3: is what I'm in it for.

1045
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 2: Because it feels like if you took pictures of every

1046
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 2: crime scene, of the people that were lined up, you

1047
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 2: could see the people who are responding like totally yeah,

1048
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 2: thing of serial killers where they need to go back

1049
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 2: and they have to like revisit and they mess at

1050
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 2: the cops stuff because they enjoy it.

1051
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 3: They're smarter. Yeah, it's they are smart in a way.

1052
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: In a way, yeah, because they're psychopaths, and our brains

1053
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: would never think that way because we could never imagine

1054
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: these things happening. Well, also those things, that thing that

1055
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: we learned where it's like they don't feel anxiety.

1056
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: So they don't get nervous, and we're always measuring other

1057
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 2: people against how we feel. It looks nervous over there, yeah,

1058
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 2: where it's like no, they wouldn't be nervous. They would

1059
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 2: walk right up to and be like, I've seen so

1060
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 2: I would like to report something that I've seen and

1061
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: it's so dark.

1062
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 3: Oh my god, can I tell you? Yeah, I'll tell

1063
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 3: you later, No, tell me. Well, I was in my murder.

1064
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: I was reading this thing and they had like in

1065
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: one of the articles, it was like, here's a riddle

1066
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: to see if someone's a psychopath or not. If they

1067
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: understand that, if they can get this riddle and fix it,

1068
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: then they're a psychopath or some or a sociopath, whatever

1069
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: the fuck you want to hear it? Yeah, okay. A

1070
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 1: woman goes to her sister's funeral.

1071
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 3: Have you heard this?

1072
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 2: No?

1073
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 3: Okay? Woman goes to her sister's funeral.

1074
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: At the funeral, she meets a man and she falls

1075
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: in love with him, but she loses track of him

1076
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: and he leaves, and she doesn't know who he is.

1077
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: She doesn't know his name. A couple of weeks later,

1078
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: she kills that woman kills her brother. Why did she

1079
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: kill her brother?

1080
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 3: Her brother? Mm hmm.

1081
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,959
Speaker 1: Goes to her sister's funeral, meets a man, falls madly

1082
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: in love with him, doesn't know who he is.

1083
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 3: He leaves.

1084
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks later, she kills her brother. Why

1085
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: because it's her father. No, that's always the answer to

1086
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: what I know. That's what I thought too.

1087
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 3: And this says, you're not associate. Okay, So she can

1088
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 3: see the man again, whoa who?

1089
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, because she's like, well, if he came to my

1090
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: sister's funeral, he knows us.

1091
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 3: I really want to see him again. I'm gonna kill

1092
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 3: my brother.

1093
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: And he's like like, so the person who would be

1094
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: able to fix that, Stephen, Now just got it.

1095
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 3: Stephen it's like, Stephen, was that your answer, Steven. No,

1096
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 3: Steven's an extra ny. He's sleeping on the floor because

1097
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,919
Speaker 3: he didn't get it. Tell it late. I'm not meaning

1098
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 3: what you see when I think you're just very angel No,

1099
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 3: you're not slow, You're not a fuck you know what

1100
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 3: I mean. Yes, that's a crazy a yawning trick.

1101
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 1: Or if you yawn and someone doesn't yawn catch your yn, Okay,

1102
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,240
Speaker 1: let's just be careful with this trick.

1103
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 3: It's because then it's fake.

1104
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 2: But imagine if you're standing there and then someone like

1105
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 2: turned to you with like their reptile eyes and goes like,

1106
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 2: oh because he'd want to see her again, and then

1107
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 2: you're like, oh shit, I'm in the elevator with this person.

1108
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 3: Well, it's the same way.

1109
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 1: I'm like when we did when I think one of

1110
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: us told the whole thing of like, if you yawn

1111
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: a person doesn't catch your yon, it's because they have

1112
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: no empathy, and like we and that was like an

1113
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: episode twenty whatever, and we still got people like my

1114
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: cat didn't just yaw right, yeah, and like and I

1115
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: was at the time, I was like, Vince didn't yawn

1116
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: when I yawn?

1117
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 3: Yep, so like it's all, yeah, what's the word party trick? However,

1118
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 3: it's a fun it's fun time. It's a fun time.

1119
00:53:58,480 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 3: It's a good way to pass the time.

1120
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 2: So also, if you're just really quick, if you are,

1121
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 2: and it probably won't count now, but if you're if

1122
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 2: you're going through the old back catalog and you're say

1123
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 2: a full year behind, you can hold those corrections.

1124
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 3: You can just keep those to yourself, because you can.

1125
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 2: We rest We assure you we've been correctly promised you.

1126
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 3: We've seen dear Zachary. Everyone.

1127
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 2: Every once in a while, the people just tweet me

1128
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 2: trophy and I'll be like, we fucking know that's not

1129
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 2: even from ten episodes ago, and we've done I think

1130
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 2: we've done it like ten times.

1131
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 3: Whatever.

1132
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 2: Okay, listen, look, listen, look and listen. Okay, listen. Sorry, Okay,

1133
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 2: So the angry mob is orright, angry mom. But now

1134
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 2: here's the thing. So the police notice this time that

1135
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 2: the handwriting that was in the letter of the woman

1136
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 2: that was buried at the Cornfield I believe Maria was

1137
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 2: her name. It matches the map that someone, this anonymous

1138
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 2: person sent of five year old Gertrude's burial site, and

1139
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 2: so the cops are like, hold on a second, these

1140
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 2: like they're putting it all together. So finally, in nineteen

1141
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 2: thirty one, knowing the police were close to catching him,

1142
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 2: Peter Curtin confesses his entire murder spree to his wife Augusta.

1143
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: She's like cool, She's like dangn right, and oh my gosh.

1144
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 2: He tells her, you need to turn me in and

1145
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 2: you can get a reward, like, let's do this so

1146
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,439
Speaker 2: that you're taken care of, wow, so that my bad

1147
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 2: behavior doesn't fuck you over, which is super weird, such

1148
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 2: a weird like he really loved his wife and was

1149
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 2: stayed loyal to her, and I mean did not really

1150
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 2: because he was doing thing.

1151
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: But it's also like that he had a conscience or

1152
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,760
Speaker 1: he cared conscience, conscience.

1153
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 3: Enough to like.

1154
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: Tell her yeah, and most guys who like fuck make

1155
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 1: out with someone at a party and she'd on their whatever,

1156
00:55:58,440 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: don't tell ye.

1157
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 3: Listen. He's like, hey, Augusta, I'm a real wild card.

1158
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 3: Guess what. Hey, You're not going to believe what I'm

1159
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 3: about to tell you. I've ever heard of ten girls

1160
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 3: in Gertrude killed them all. Damn that was me.

1161
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 2: You know how everyone's just screaming at the top of

1162
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 2: their lungs in the street all day and every.

1163
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 3: Day it's kissing me. It's me okay.

1164
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 2: So once he was under arrest, he provides an astonishingly

1165
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:29,240
Speaker 2: detailed account of his string of crimes to Professor Carl Berg,

1166
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 2: who is a distinguished psychologist who later published a confession

1167
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 2: in a book called The Status. Curtin claimed seventy nine

1168
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 2: individual acts of crime. In all, he went to great

1169
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 2: lengths to convince the authorities of his guilt.

1170
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 3: His memory was nearly photographic. Oh my god, so.

1171
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 2: His recollection of each offense provided him with great pleasure.

1172
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 2: And in his trial, which started on April thirteenth, nineteen

1173
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 2: thirty one, in Diuseldorf, he was brought up on nine

1174
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 2: charges of murder seven attempted murder. He initially retracted his

1175
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 2: extensive confession, claiming that he'd only said that to ensure

1176
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 2: his wife's financial security, but then there was such an

1177
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 2: overwhelming amount of evidence that he eventually just pled guilty.

1178
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 2: It took the jury ninety minutes to return a verdict

1179
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 2: of guilty on all counts. He received nine death sentences,

1180
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 2: and he was executed by guillotine on July second, nineteen

1181
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 2: thirty one in Cologne, and during his trial.

1182
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 3: I think this is very interesting.

1183
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 2: He was made to sit in a cage in the

1184
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 2: courtroom so that the family members of the victims didn't

1185
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 2: attack and kill him. Yes day, the Vampire of Duseldorf

1186
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 2: and the Monster of Dusseldorf.

1187
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 3: That was fucking good, Karen.

1188
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: Thanks, considering probably never going to go to Dueseldorf, Germany too.

1189
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 3: I'm glad you did it on the podcast and not

1190
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 3: at a live show.

1191
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 2: That's right, you know, never know though you don't know.

1192
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 2: These Germans were like, oh no, acting well tuned, baby, Yeah, okay.

1193
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 3: We're back.

1194
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: I remember seeing the photo that belongs to this story

1195
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: of his costume is get up, Yeah, and then having

1196
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: nightmares for the rest of my life about it. Yeah,

1197
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: it's so much scarier than it's leatherface kind of.

1198
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 2: It's very yes, And the fact that it's like nineteen thirteen, right,

1199
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 2: so we're not talking about sixties, we're not talking about

1200
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 2: the horrible seventies. It's just like this very early like

1201
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 2: oh no, it's.

1202
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: Not a copycat, Like this guy is actually that fucking psychotic.

1203
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 3: On his own. He comes up with his own fucking

1204
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 3: ways to be psychotic.

1205
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a true original.

1206
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1207
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 2: Oh, I was going to say, it reminds me of

1208
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 2: the child murderer from Guernsey that remember he had.

1209
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 3: I think that's what I was thinking of.

1210
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 2: With the spikes. Yeah, you have the spikes in the masks. Yeah, yeah,

1211
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 2: that's that guy. Okay, but very similar vibe where it's

1212
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 2: like it's it's old fashioned and we all like to

1213
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 2: think that people way back when we're all like making

1214
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 2: bread together and getting along, right, and it's like, know

1215
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 2: that this thing in humanity has been in humanity for

1216
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 2: a very long time.

1217
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: I mean, actually the humane part is a really short

1218
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: part of humanity.

1219
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 3: Actually it's been in humane a lot longer. Yes, this

1220
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 3: civilized thing is literally civilization.

1221
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 2: Very new, very new, very new cool.

1222
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 3: Any updates I'm guessing not none for this. No, speaking

1223
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 3: of fucked up civilization. Oh yeah, there's another classic. Yeah.

1224
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 2: Now we're going to speed ahead to where it's also

1225
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 2: not civilized. This is Georgia's story about Jeffrey McDonald.

1226
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: All right, I'm just going to get started on this one,

1227
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: even though I have some thoughts on it, but I

1228
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: think it's best to just like, let's get into this. Okay,

1229
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: you ready for the murder of the family of Jeffery McDonald.

1230
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, do you know this one? This is the

1231
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 2: one I thought the other one was. Yes, this is

1232
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 2: the one I.

1233
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 3: Thought the doctor. Yeah. Is this guy doctor too, Sam Shepherd?

1234
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, this is not Sam Shepherd's family, but

1235
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: yes this guy is it?

1236
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, we're very similar. They're very Okay, awesome.

1237
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 1: Uh So I'm gonna just get into this and then

1238
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: because this is all right. Jeffery MacDonald he's in high school.

1239
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: He's voted most popular and most likely to succeed. He's

1240
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: senior class president, captain of the fucking football team.

1241
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 3: Hot like well liked popular dude.

1242
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: In the In the made for TV movie Fatal Vision, Karen,

1243
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: he is played by a young Gary Cole.

1244
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 2: Oh yes, very cool, right, we know those twops reports

1245
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 2: by Friday member Office Space.

1246
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 3: Yes, have to go ahead, now you come in on Saturday.

1247
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: This is what I was going to ask you what

1248
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: he was from, because I didn't know, and I knew.

1249
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 3: Mostly Office Space.

1250
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, that's his greatest role of all time, definitely,

1251
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: except for Fatal Vision. Except for Fatal Vision, where he

1252
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: plays a young Jeffrey McDonald. After high school, he gets

1253
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: a scholarship to fucking Princeton and while he's there, so

1254
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: jealous is he fucking better than that?

1255
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 3: What do you know? Stuff?

1256
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: Gets a scholarship to Princeton Mary, and then while he's

1257
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: Mary's his high school sweet heart Collette Stevenson. She is

1258
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 1: played by Wendy Shall. Okay, fatal Vision, So you watch

1259
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: fatal Vision, is what you're telling me?

1260
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I also knew.

1261
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: That you would have questions and I wouldn't it And

1262
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: I just like, also, don't ever know who's going to

1263
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: strike your fancy.

1264
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 3: True, and you just want to be ready. Yes, So

1265
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 3: I have a couple more characters, love it all right?

1266
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: After high school he brows to Prince in Mary's Collette Stevenson,

1267
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,479
Speaker 1: he goes to medical school and then he joins the army.

1268
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: He becomes a Green Beret captain, which is a big deal,

1269
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: and a doctor in the army. So by twenty six

1270
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 1: years old, the couple, along with their two daughters, Kimberly

1271
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: aged five and Kristin, age two, moved to the prestigious

1272
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: Fort Bragg, North Carolina, which is an army base, but

1273
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: it's also open to the public, which I didn't know that. Yeah,

1274
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: it's a very famous army base. Right, Yeah, twenty six

1275
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: years old and you've done all this stuff.

1276
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 3: You must be s Oziopath.

1277
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: No, all right, So here is his story. I'm going

1278
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: to start with his story. It's a cold, rainy night

1279
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: on February sixteenth, nineteen seventy. They are in their ground

1280
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: floor apartment. Four and a half month old pregnant Collette

1281
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: and two year old Kristin are asleep in the master bedroom,

1282
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:47,439
Speaker 1: and Kimberly is asleep in her room.

1283
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:47,919
Speaker 3: She's five.

1284
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: Jeffrey goes to try to go to bed, and he

1285
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: finds that Kristin had wet his side of the bed

1286
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: in the master bedroom, so he brings her back to

1287
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: her own bed, and he goes to sleep on the

1288
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: couch because he doesn't want to disturb every wanted to

1289
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: make the bed again, all right, So he's asleep on

1290
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: the couch and then he is awoken while he's on

1291
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: the couch by Colette shouting jeff why are they doing

1292
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: this to me? And Kimberly screaming.

1293
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 3: Daddy, daddy, daddy.

1294
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: He opens his eyes on the couch and sees four

1295
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 1: figures standing over him, a black man in a fatigue

1296
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: jacket with sergeant stripes on the sleeve, two white men,

1297
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: and a woman wearing a floppy hat over stringy blonde hair.

1298
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 1: She's holding a flickering candle in front of her face

1299
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: and his chanting acid.

1300
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 3: As groovy kill the pigs.

1301
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 1: Jeffrey begins to rise and the black man brings a club,

1302
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: crashing down on his head. A second later, McDonald fields

1303
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: a sharp pain on the right side of his chest

1304
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 1: and he looks down and he sees an ice pick

1305
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: blade that had been stabbed into him. He tries to

1306
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: wrestle the guys, and despite the fact that he's a

1307
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: Green Beret, which one of their things is to be

1308
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: training clandestine gorilla force, they're still able to fight him

1309
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: and pull his pajama top over his head and onto

1310
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: his wrist, so he's got his arms up with the

1311
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: pajama top is holding his wrists together and he's trying

1312
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: to fend them off, but they keep trying to stab him,

1313
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 1: and then the black man keeps clubbing him, and finally

1314
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: he falls unconscious at the steps of.

1315
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 3: The hallway that lead to the bedrooms.

1316
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: So he had been overpowered in this vicious struggle with

1317
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: hippies with drug crazed hippies. Acid head, acid head kill

1318
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: the pigs kill the pigs right, acid heads as they

1319
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: yell as they are known to yell. When he comes

1320
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 1: to Karen, he's on the stairs. He gets up and

1321
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 1: stumbles to the master bedroom and finds Colette sprawled on

1322
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: the floor with the handle of the knife sticking out

1323
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 1: of her chest. He pulls the knife away and he

1324
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: throws it aside, and he covers her body with his

1325
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 1: pajama top that he had removed from his wrist at

1326
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: that point, and tries to give.

1327
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 3: Her mouth to mouth. Good guy, Right, wait, okay, what no?

1328
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 2: No, go ahead, No, yeah, you're right, you're correct. That

1329
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 2: how growth I mean, if somebody.

1330
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: Has been stabbed to give him mouth to mouth, Yeah,

1331
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 1: that's not gonna work, Is that what you're thinking?

1332
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1333
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 3: And I just don't think most people do that. Right.

1334
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 1: Well, he's a surgeon too. Oh no, no, he should

1335
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: know what that wouldn't That wouldn't help work? Yeah?

1336
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 3: Right, yes, okay.

1337
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: So Collette has been struck at least six times in

1338
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: the head with a blunt object, one of them causes

1339
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: this fracture to her skull. She had nine deep knife

1340
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: wounds at the front of her neck, seven deep knife

1341
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: wounds to her chest, and twenty one puncture roounds to

1342
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: her chest area. Her chest is also bruised from what

1343
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 1: looked like an object that had been thrust into her chest.

1344
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: On the headboard of the master bedroom, someone had use

1345
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 1: one of their fingers to write the word pig in

1346
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 1: her blood. McDonald Jeffrey McDonald. I kind of hate saying

1347
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 1: their last name instead of their first name because it makes,

1348
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 1: you know, like saying Jeffrey makes it so much more personal.

1349
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? Like in all of

1350
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 3: these murder stories we do.

1351
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Jeffrey pulls the knife out, puts it to

1352
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 1: the side, and then tries to get her mouth to mouth.

1353
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 3: In her bedroom.

1354
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: Kristen, who was two years old, she has twenty two

1355
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 1: gaping knife wounds to her upper back, four wounds to

1356
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 1: her chests, and one to her neck. There's fifteen shallow

1357
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: puncture wounds found on her chest, as well as multiple

1358
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 1: cuts on both of her hands. Like she's trying to

1359
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 1: defend herself. Oh, I know, it's just fucked up. In

1360
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: her bed, Kimberly had been struck at least three times

1361
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 1: in the head with the blunt object, and her skull

1362
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 1: showed multiple fractures. Steven looks like he's going to pass

1363
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: the fuck out.

1364
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 2: You know, it just doesn't make sense. It's like, why

1365
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 2: would any hippies or people any otherwise of all the

1366
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 2: things you want to do, like you want to rob people,

1367
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 2: you want to murder whatever. And I mean, I just

1368
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 2: got done talking about the vampire of Dieseldorf, who did

1369
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 2: exactly this. But it's a rare person who can stab

1370
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 2: a baby multiple times.

1371
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 1: And the breaking and entering thing like not being a

1372
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 1: sadistic child killer, not being a rapist or a pedophile,

1373
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,479
Speaker 1: and these things just happen in the house seems so weird.

1374
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 1: And this is why I'm starting with So I just

1375
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 1: wanted to start, which is this is a great place

1376
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 1: to say, like this is the story he told, all right,

1377
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: So like this story is so fucked up and insane,

1378
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 1: and I've heard it so many times, and when I

1379
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 1: finally decided to do it, I'm not doing it in.

1380
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 3: A way that's like, here are the facts and.

1381
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 1: This is what happened, which you can which are incredible

1382
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 1: and interesting and crazy, and there's a great episode of

1383
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: Generation Why where they cover this case and it's it's

1384
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 1: it's point by point and it's really good. And they're

1385
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 1: coming from the same place that I am, which is

1386
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: that he clearly fucking did it.

1387
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 3: So here's his story. I'm not going to.

1388
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: Get into all the insane facts of the trials that happen.

1389
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to go in. I'm going to do story

1390
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 1: what happened, then what is most likely the real story? Okay,

1391
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 1: so this is why I'm saying it so dramatically, which

1392
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: I normally don't do.

1393
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 3: Right, this is such a fucking bullshit made up story.

1394
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I can tell with your there's a there's

1395
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 2: a hand of sarcasm, right, and then there's some drama

1396
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,599
Speaker 2: in it that I know that you hate this person, right,

1397
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 2: And what's essentially what's yeah, I'm so bad at I

1398
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 2: can't lie if I hate you, you'll fucking know. What's

1399
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,799
Speaker 2: so incredible about this is that there's still an argument

1400
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 2: about whether or not he did it, which I think

1401
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 2: when I get done with what really happened, you won't

1402
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 2: fucking believe it. So Kimberly is in bed eight to

1403
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 2: ten deep Kniphones are found on the right side of

1404
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 2: her neck, so the Collette, Kimberly, and Kristen are all dead.

1405
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 2: Then once he wakes up, finds him dead. Jeffrey calls

1406
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 2: the operator and says, we've been stabbed.

1407
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 1: People are dying. People are dying. Yeah, not my wife

1408
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: and my children. We've all been stabbed.

1409
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 3: People dying. Some people are dying. Yeah, we yeah.

1410
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 2: It is so fascinating when they break that stuff down

1411
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 2: of like all those micro you know, micro expression people

1412
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,600
Speaker 2: that know the word and we've talked about that in

1413
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,680
Speaker 2: other things. Definitely were when you use certain words and

1414
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:18,799
Speaker 2: what it means, the word choice.

1415
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,640
Speaker 1: Like even just the breakdown of you know, Patsy or

1416
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 1: Patsy Rampty's nine call about John Maine and the ransom

1417
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: letter quote unquote of for doomine fascinating, And this is

1418
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 1: another one of those. There there is a breakdown of

1419
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 1: his call as well as when he is interrogated later,

1420
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:40,799
Speaker 1: of every single thing he says. And it's fucking incredible,

1421
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: And I wish I could have included the whole thing,

1422
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: but it would have been three episodes, so I'm not.

1423
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 3: Okay, but let's just do it, right.

1424
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 1: Okay, Let's just you know what, let's just Govera. When

1425
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 1: they arrive, they find the sole survivor, Jeffrey McDonald, lying

1426
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:58,600
Speaker 1: with his arm around Collett and the master bedroom unconscious.

1427
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 1: So like he went and called. Then he fucking positioned

1428
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 1: himself next to his wife.

1429
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:02,679
Speaker 3: Okay.

1430
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 1: He had sustained bruising over his eye, a superficial stab

1431
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 1: wound in the arm and on his abdomen in the

1432
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 1: form of an upside down v. Several small puncture wounds

1433
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: were present on the upper left chest. None of his

1434
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 1: wounds required suturing. A neat and clean stab wound was

1435
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 1: located between two ribs on the right side of his

1436
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,639
Speaker 1: chest and resulted in a collapsed line.

1437
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:29,719
Speaker 3: Oh right, which is interesting.

1438
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:34,440
Speaker 1: As they were guarding him out, he whispers to the medics,

1439
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: four of them. She kept saying acid is groovy, kill

1440
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:41,480
Speaker 1: the pigs, like he tells them that dramatically.

1441
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 3: Right, all right, So then I wrote now reality.

1442
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 1: So by the time the sun had risen the next day,

1443
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 1: the Army's Criminal Investigation Division Division CID, which we're calling

1444
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 1: it now, they didn't even believe Jeffrey's story. Aside from

1445
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 1: his minor injuries, there was no sign of an ice

1446
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:00,600
Speaker 1: pick puncture on him. Despite the that he said he

1447
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 1: had been stabbed by an ice pick. Also, there was

1448
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 1: just a single fiber from his ripped pajamas. A single

1449
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 1: fiber was found in the living room where the struggle

1450
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:13,879
Speaker 1: had ensued. That's all they found was a single strand

1451
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 1: of his pajamas from ripping. However, in the bedrooms there

1452
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:22,639
Speaker 1: were dozens of his pajama fibers, including several found beneath Collette,

1453
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 1: others under Kimberly's sheets in her bedroom, and two more

1454
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 1: in Kristen's room, one lodged under her finger. Now, oh, no,

1455
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 1: his pajamas which he had said he had stumbled into

1456
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 1: Collette the wife's room, taken his pajamas up and covered

1457
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 1: her with it so he wouldn't even hat it when

1458
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 1: he went into the kids room. Yeah, he claims he

1459
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 1: performed CPR and all three of them, but none of

1460
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: their mouths were open, and his daughters were tucked into

1461
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 1: bed and lying on their sides.

1462
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 3: And he's a fucking surgeon.

1463
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: So he would know that that's not how you give CPR. Yeah,

1464
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 1: he originally claimed he didn't wash up before making the

1465
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: call to the police. There's no blood on the phone

1466
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:03,719
Speaker 1: he used to make the call, but there was blood

1467
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 1: in the sink drain.

1468
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:06,440
Speaker 3: Oh.

1469
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 1: Then the CID found a blood smudged brand new issue

1470
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 1: of Esquire magazine in the living room. So an article

1471
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 1: in the the Esquire magazine details the drug christ hippies

1472
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 1: who had murdered Sharon Tate just seven months before that.

1473
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:29,680
Speaker 1: According to investigators, it contained The article contained eighteen similarities

1474
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 1: to the murders of Collett and the girls, including a

1475
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: blonde candle carrying hippie woman.

1476
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:35,799
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny.

1477
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:40,639
Speaker 2: I was thinking Patty Hurst because there's that famous picture

1478
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:41,520
Speaker 2: when Patty.

1479
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 3: Hurst with her hat on.

1480
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 2: Did she wear a hat into the bank? I can't remember.

1481
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 1: I just see her with like a pulled down low hat,

1482
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: but she had but she did have a wig on it,

1483
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 1: so she had like but I guess it wasn't blonde hair.

1484
01:12:56,400 --> 01:13:00,600
Speaker 2: But there was a black man with an army jacket.

1485
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking of.

1486
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 2: But I mean, it's all the same thing where it's like,

1487
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,480
Speaker 2: but I don't that was that in nineteen seventy.

1488
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 3: Or was it before after? Maybe he's psychic anyway.

1489
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 2: It's like, clearly it's just like these three things have

1490
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 2: been in the media, and there were he's just.

1491
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 1: Like I've drive around and there's a hippie, there's a like, yeah,

1492
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 1: it's the thing of like and I read a lot

1493
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:19,759
Speaker 1: about Reddit things where were.

1494
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:21,879
Speaker 3: Like, the acid is groovy.

1495
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 1: Sure, that's something we said, like and a you know,

1496
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 1: acid is so groovy, we said groovy. Kill the pigs

1497
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:30,759
Speaker 1: was a totally different sect of people.

1498
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 3: Those were the crazy left.

1499
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 1: Wing you know, fuck the police people who weren't the

1500
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 1: same as the hippies. So it's something that like a

1501
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: straight laced military man would be like, here's here's what

1502
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:43,680
Speaker 1: hippies say. Here's what drug crazed hippie.

1503
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:45,799
Speaker 2: Say, especially as someone that's reading up on the manson murders,

1504
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 2: because death to the pigs or whatever that thing was

1505
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 2: a part of it too.

1506
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 1: Someone said someone in when they were talking about that

1507
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 1: and they read an article they were like, it's like

1508
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 1: if today someone were trying to blame hipsters on something

1509
01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 1: and said they kept saying, uh, the first album was better,

1510
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: the first album, The first album was the best, and

1511
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 1: nobody fucking really says that.

1512
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 3: That's what you think. We said.

1513
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 1: It's just just like insanity, which I really love because

1514
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 1: I haven't even thought about that. Okay, they found that

1515
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 1: the the the word pig that was written in blood

1516
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 1: on the on the headstand had been written and using

1517
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 1: a surgical glove, which were found in the house, and

1518
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 1: the weapons had all come from inside the house. And

1519
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 1: then the weapons were thrown in a bush right outside

1520
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 1: the house, almost like someone opened the back door and

1521
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:34,639
Speaker 1: like if there were four people at least who were

1522
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 1: committing something, they'd all run out and put their put

1523
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 1: their fucking weapons into the same bush.

1524
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 3: Ye, no, pre agreed bush before they went in put

1525
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:45,680
Speaker 3: it down to walk away. Guys. This is the this

1526
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 3: is weapon bush.

1527
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:50,879
Speaker 1: Please, weapon bush, Steven, that's the name of the episode.

1528
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:54,640
Speaker 3: This is our new That's what I'm gonna call it.

1529
01:14:54,960 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 1: Okay, going on under a bush and the Okay, so howmever, listen,

1530
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 1: there's always a helmever, you know, got to gotta have

1531
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,879
Speaker 1: a helmeover. Someone made a shirt that just says helmever

1532
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 1: on it. Really it makes me so happy. Oh so,

1533
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 1: of course many not of course, that's okay, got that out, steep, No,

1534
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 1: don't get out. Many mistakes were made during the investigation,

1535
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 1: from failing to steal off the crime scene, so twenty

1536
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 1: six people trampled through it before it was finally secured,

1537
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 1: which is a kind of a normal thing in the seventies.

1538
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 1: I feel like, yes, that happened all the time, and

1539
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 1: they didn't know it was happening. They showed up, it's

1540
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 1: pouring rain, they run in, they see bodies, they have

1541
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:32,760
Speaker 1: to take one out.

1542
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 3: It's there's gonna be a lot of people coming through.

1543
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the fucking ambulance driver stole Jeffrey McDonald's wallet

1544
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: from his desk.

1545
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 3: What yeah, no, you pinked it right off the fucking desk.

1546
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 2: Wait, it's is this an ambulance driver not on the

1547
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 2: on the army base.

1548
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think they just I don't

1549
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 1: know it just outside an army base. But there's a

1550
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 1: hospital's crez.

1551
01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 3: I don't know who it was. But bold move the

1552
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 3: ambulance were walking with a garny the link, you know

1553
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:02,759
Speaker 3: what I mean.

1554
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:05,680
Speaker 1: That I had a problem, like being fired from his

1555
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:09,680
Speaker 1: job hopefully and like the next day the garbage man.

1556
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 1: They like were like, yeah, go ahead and take the

1557
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:15,600
Speaker 1: trash away. Oh the trash out. No little holes on that.

1558
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 2: No, they also allowed CIS would have never made that

1559
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 2: mistake starring Mark Harmon.

1560
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:24,679
Speaker 3: Whenever I think of Mark Harmon. I think it's the

1561
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 3: what's the Olympic diver?

1562
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 1: Or what's the guy from Gami is the one who

1563
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 1: hit his head? Yeah, what's the guy from Star Wars?

1564
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 1: His name Luke?

1565
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 3: No, No, it's father. What's uh No? What's what's Luke's

1566
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 3: name in real life? Mark? Mark Hamill? Did you say Hammond?

1567
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 3: I always say it's Mark Harmon. I think it's him. Oh,

1568
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 3: oh yeah, it's not. There's But this is why I

1569
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 3: tell you the names of people who are playing that

1570
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 3: right and ask you to fill in. You run it

1571
01:16:56,840 --> 01:17:02,559
Speaker 3: all by me? No idea boop trash McDonald's home.

1572
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 1: Oh, the forty forty sets of fingerprints just wore allowed

1573
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,640
Speaker 1: to be destroyed, and a bloody footprint was lost in

1574
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 1: the process of removing it, which I just think of

1575
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 1: some guy like slipping like it's a banana peel, you know,

1576
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 1: but he's.

1577
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 2: He's trying to take a foot print print. And then

1578
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 2: I was like, what someone knocks into him? Get those

1579
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 2: marbles out of here, mister bean.

1580
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:29,639
Speaker 1: It's just mister Bean, goose of marvels.

1581
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 3: Mister Bean.

1582
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 2: Will never process a crime scene again. No, we're not

1583
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 2: making that mistake again.

1584
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 3: Never again. Sometimes I'm so busy talking that I don't

1585
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 3: hear the funny thing. Believe me. After it, that's all

1586
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 3: I do. Still the military.

1587
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 1: They formally charge Jeffrey McDonald with the murder with the

1588
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 1: murders on May first, nineteen seventy.

1589
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 3: But at this point, an.

1590
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:57,560
Speaker 1: Eighteen year old drug addict hippie in town known to

1591
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 1: police name helenas Stokely. She's known to wear get this,

1592
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:05,679
Speaker 1: a floppy hat, a blonde wig, and like the same

1593
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:09,919
Speaker 1: kind of look drug addict hippie. She confesses that herself

1594
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 1: and various people around town did the crime. So she says, oh,

1595
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 1: I was really high on mescaline an acid that night.

1596
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 1: I think we were there or remember these things from it.

1597
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 1: Here are three accomplices that I think was there with me.

1598
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 1: One of them turned out to be in jail while

1599
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 1: this was happening. But she really throws a wrench in

1600
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 1: the whole thing, the wig and the floppy hat.

1601
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:33,839
Speaker 3: It heights the seventies. You know who else own that collet?

1602
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 1: Oh no, So, like there's just no it just fucks

1603
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,480
Speaker 1: this investigation up forever.

1604
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 3: Right right, And I wonder if that was intentional.

1605
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 1: Well, he made up a story and he got really

1606
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 1: fucking lucky. That's what I think happened.

1607
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 2: I think so he made up a or could he

1608
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:54,719
Speaker 2: have made up a story and then given a wig

1609
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 2: and a hat to a person in town that would have.

1610
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,639
Speaker 1: You know, considering you a doctor. And he was also

1611
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 1: like saw civilians. He might have already been aware of

1612
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 1: her at some point. Oh yeah, she came in with

1613
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 1: someone who knows. But from what I can tell, she's

1614
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 1: she's a really unhealthy woman, a girl drug addict mentally.

1615
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 1: Oh she ain't her teens, she was eighteen, really not

1616
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 1: doing well, and so she kind of seemed like someone

1617
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:23,600
Speaker 1: who wanted, who needed and wanted attention, not in a

1618
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 1: mean way, but in a desperate way. Right, So this

1619
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 1: whole thing got tangled up, She got tangled up in it,

1620
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 1: which made his credibility, which just made him seem more credible,

1621
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 1: which made people questions and introduce more doubt. Yeah that's

1622
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:44,879
Speaker 1: the thing, yes, Okay, Okay, So that means based on everything.

1623
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 1: The charges were dismissed the following October because of insubbition evidence,

1624
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 1: and a couple of months after the murder charges were dropped.

1625
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 1: Super Hot, charismatic, really charming Jeffrey MacDonald appears on He

1626
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 1: Becomes Famous. Oh he like the Sam Shepherd, which is

1627
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 1: that everyone loves him and knows him and.

1628
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 3: Oh my god, he his poor guy.

1629
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 1: His wife and two children died and you know that

1630
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 1: kind of thing. He appears on the late night program

1631
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 1: The Dick Cavot Show. Although his celebrity comes from his

1632
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:22,720
Speaker 1: family's brutal murders, he doesn't seem like he gives a shit.

1633
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 1: He's laughing, the audience is laughing, He tells jokes. He

1634
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 1: criticizes the army investigators. No fucking way, he has.

1635
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 3: No idea, Like he is so.

1636
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:37,719
Speaker 1: Charming and sociopathic that he doesn't understand how bad this looks.

1637
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:39,640
Speaker 1: You know one of those people, yes that you're like,

1638
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 1: they love me, Well, this is that's what Diane Downs did.

1639
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:45,680
Speaker 3: Members Yes, it's exactly that.

1640
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 2: And then when they talk about like as if everyone's

1641
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 2: super concerned about them, only.

1642
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 1: Right, he doesn't bring up the fact that, you know,

1643
01:20:55,640 --> 01:21:01,440
Speaker 1: collects parents have lost their only daughter and child and grandchildren.

1644
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:04,639
Speaker 1: He's being fucking mister funny man over here, and he's

1645
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 1: like celebrating that he.

1646
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 3: Got let off on this amazing.

1647
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 1: It's disgusting, But what's great about this is that up

1648
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 1: until this point collect's mother and her stepfather, who I.

1649
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 3: Think raised Collette. He's in it hard.

1650
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 1: Alfred and Mildred casab how much you will love Alfred

1651
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:22,719
Speaker 1: and Mildred.

1652
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:24,880
Speaker 3: You want to know who plays them?

1653
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 1: Who? Okay, Alfred is played by Carl Malden. Yes, yeah,

1654
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 1: Streets of San Francisco. I was raised on it.

1655
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 3: Yeah. The best TV show.

1656
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 1: Is that the one where there's like all these couples

1657
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 1: and they all hang out in their No, that's all boat. No,

1658
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 1: what's the one from like the Night the San Francisco

1659
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 1: nineties one nineties? Yeah, gay gay people and straight people

1660
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:49,839
Speaker 1: and they're.

1661
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 2: Like it's like, oh that's the guy. Yes, that's the

1662
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 2: al Masada pan books.

1663
01:21:57,320 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah something something.

1664
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:02,720
Speaker 3: No, this was literally from the seventies.

1665
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:06,640
Speaker 2: It was Michael Douglas and Carl Malden detectives San Francisco

1666
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 2: driving around, shooting at people, and like as they drive

1667
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:11,600
Speaker 2: on just randomly.

1668
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 3: They're a murderer, yes, butot cops.

1669
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 2: And as they drive around it's just like your you

1670
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 2: get to look at it's video footage.

1671
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 3: It's film footage actually of my childhood because it's it's like, oh, Yeah,

1672
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 3: that's that used to be there, that was there. It's

1673
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 3: the most fun TV show.

1674
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 1: Whenever I see an old LA like you know, the

1675
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:31,840
Speaker 1: one where they drive around town, everyone go watch Los

1676
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 1: Angeles Plays Itself. It's such an amazing movie documentary. You've

1677
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:38,839
Speaker 1: seen it. It's like a three hour documentary perfectly narrated

1678
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 1: about Los Angeles playing itself in movies. Wow, So houses

1679
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 1: that are played in what movie? Backgrounds that are pretending

1680
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 1: to be China or you know, downtown is supposed to

1681
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 1: be this thing, but you can tell it's not because

1682
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 1: of this landmark.

1683
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 3: It's I can't wait. Yes, I've never heard of that.

1684
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:58,920
Speaker 3: Are you fucking I have to see it lit, don't you?

1685
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 1: Drugs get high in Watch Los Angeles Pice Itself and

1686
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:03,719
Speaker 1: I'll see you in four hours.

1687
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable. I gotta see it. It's there.

1688
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 1: I watched it eight times and I've never gotten past

1689
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 1: an hour because it's just so involved and you fall

1690
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 1: asleep anyway, saying okay, but Karl Malden. Mildred is played

1691
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 1: by Eva sat Eva Marie st Eve.

1692
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 2: Marie sat Yeah, yeah, my dad pretended he saw her.

1693
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 2: It was one of my fears.

1694
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 1: Oh, wait, did time you saw her when he was

1695
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 1: carrying her bags on a ship and then he married

1696
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 1: your mom?

1697
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 3: So no, he was. I know I talk about my

1698
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 3: father too much. He's really hilarious.

1699
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:37,800
Speaker 2: We were pulling out my dad and your net right,

1700
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 2: we were pulling out of Vaughan's, and this woman walked

1701
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:45,759
Speaker 2: in front of the car who was wearing a clear

1702
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:49,720
Speaker 2: plastic high heel shoes. There was a there was a

1703
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 2: real angeline feel to this woman. Bit broke down trying

1704
01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 2: to be pretty later on in life. In no way

1705
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:00,680
Speaker 2: am I criticizing her. I've been with her.

1706
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 3: But as she passed the front of the car.

1707
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 2: My dad goes from Marie Saint and pretended to recognize her.

1708
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 2: Oh and it's it was that happened four years ago,

1709
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 2: and I'm still laughing.

1710
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:11,680
Speaker 1: I think that would have made her day if she

1711
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 1: thought that someone recognized like.

1712
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 2: But except for if she if she heard the sarcasm

1713
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 2: in his voice. Oh he it was a bit Larry,

1714
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 2: Larry Jim.

1715
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 3: Why do I always call him Larry Jim? Jim? Didn't

1716
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 3: you think that I'm related to the Silverman's and I'm not.

1717
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 3: Is that their dad's name? I know it could be.

1718
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 1: Oh, Okay, So the parents are outspoken supporters of Jeffrey

1719
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:36,679
Speaker 1: through the whole trial everything.

1720
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:38,799
Speaker 3: Alfred even said that if he had another.

1721
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 1: Daughter, he would still want Jeffrey as his son in law,

1722
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 1: which is creepy. But once the charges are dropped and

1723
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 1: he starts seeing all these little fucking creepy things, he's like,

1724
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 1: go fuck.

1725
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 2: Yourself, because like the psychopath mask finally came down.

1726
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 1: Finally, Yes, so he realizes that Jeffrey had been lying

1727
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:59,559
Speaker 1: to him about so many things, including Jeffrey told him

1728
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:02,240
Speaker 1: finally he was like, get off my back, man, here's

1729
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:05,480
Speaker 1: what happened myself and several several other green berets.

1730
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:07,599
Speaker 3: We tracked down one of the killers, and we put him.

1731
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:09,680
Speaker 3: We killed him. They told him they killed one of

1732
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 3: the killers just to be like, we took care of it.

1733
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 1: Leave us alone, Leave me alone. So because of his

1734
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:22,759
Speaker 1: crazy fucking like this guy, I want, like, I'm pretty

1735
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 1: sure that Vince is going to be like growing up

1736
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 1: to be this guy. And it made me like kind

1737
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 1: of love him where it was not Vince the other

1738
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 1: guy obviously a Livince. Yes, yes, he was just like

1739
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 1: a dog, became an investigator, found everything wrong with his

1740
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 1: fucking trial transcripts everything. He searched the house himself. He

1741
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 1: was a badass. This is the dad collects. This is

1742
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 1: the step dad. I think was with him forever. They're

1743
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 1: like one of those cute old couples. Anyways, So with

1744
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 1: him and the formation of the cid reinvestigation team, they

1745
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 1: indict Jeffrey. By then, he was a lavish life in

1746
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 1: California as a civilian doctor. He's like fucking chicks. He's

1747
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 1: got a yacht, he's got a lot of money. He's

1748
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 1: famous because he's the doctor who didn't kill people.

1749
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:08,719
Speaker 3: Maybe.

1750
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:12,080
Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy four, McDonald is brought before the Jeffrey

1751
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:14,600
Speaker 1: is brought before the grand jury in North Carolina and

1752
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 1: he's indicted in all three counts of murder. In nineteen

1753
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 1: seventy five, WHOA and A trial lasted over six weeks.

1754
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 1: The government introduced over a thousand evivent jury items and

1755
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:30,080
Speaker 1: at the trial, Helena denied the chick, the crazy drug chick,

1756
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 1: young person. It was like, I wasn't there, I don't

1757
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 1: know what happened, denied everything. Later she's diagnosed with schizoid personality, yeah,

1758
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 1: which is said McDonald. Jeffrey McDonald was convicted of all

1759
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 1: three counts of murder in less than seven hours.

1760
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:45,600
Speaker 3: Wow.

1761
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so let's talk about really fucking happened. Okay,

1762
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 1: ready for the same story as above. Yeah, as the beginning,

1763
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 1: but what actually happened and here's why we know and

1764
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 1: this is fucking crazy.

1765
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 3: Okay.

1766
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:59,160
Speaker 1: First of all, a lot of this is from the

1767
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:02,559
Speaker 1: McDonald case facts dot Com by Phil Callahan.

1768
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:04,640
Speaker 3: This guy is just a civilian.

1769
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 1: He's a fucking web sleuth and he's like dedicated, he's

1770
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:10,679
Speaker 1: on life to this. Yeah, and he is like, here's

1771
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 1: what happened based on the fact that and this is

1772
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 1: so fucking crazy to me. All four members of the household, uh, Jeffrey, Collette, Kristen,

1773
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 1: and Kimberly they all had different.

1774
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:27,680
Speaker 3: Blood types, which is a statistic statistical.

1775
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:30,639
Speaker 1: Anomaly like in a family that doesn't fucking happen, right,

1776
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 1: And that means that they were able to trace what

1777
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 1: happened room by room because of the blood types.

1778
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:38,559
Speaker 3: Oh. I just got the weirdest chill, you know what

1779
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 3: it made me think of?

1780
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:40,720
Speaker 1: And I wrote this sound so you know, like in

1781
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 1: like who framed Roger Rabbit or those like old timey

1782
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 1: things are like here's how to do the two step,

1783
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 1: and they put like a footprint here and a footprint here,

1784
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 1: and then one goes back on, oh we're here.

1785
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:52,719
Speaker 3: It's like that with blood. Oh my god, right for this? Yeah?

1786
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 1: Fucked up? Okay, it's a fucked up dance. So here's

1787
01:27:56,040 --> 01:28:02,720
Speaker 1: what really happened, I mean, according to everything. In the

1788
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 1: early morning hours the verse seventeenth, nineteen seventy, Collette and

1789
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:10,400
Speaker 1: Jeffrey MacDonald get into a heated argument in the master bedroom.

1790
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 1: Jeffrey at the time was taking amphetamines to lose weight

1791
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 1: seventies what were those meth?

1792
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 2: Right? Right?

1793
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, and hadn't slept for twenty four hours at least,

1794
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 1: so he thought it was God damn mine. In the

1795
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 1: previous weeks, Collette had been upset that Jeffrey was planning

1796
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:31,440
Speaker 1: on leaving for a long time to be the doctor

1797
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:35,439
Speaker 1: for the Army boxing team, even though she was having

1798
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 1: a really difficult pregnancy and she was going to night

1799
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:43,760
Speaker 1: school for psychology. So this chick was a badass and

1800
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:46,200
Speaker 1: he was kind of a narcissist. So his wife not

1801
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 1: wanting to stay at home and be you know, him

1802
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 1: having to stay home and take care of his kids

1803
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 1: at night when she went to school.

1804
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 3: Do the dishes in the bed for him? Did not jibe?

1805
01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:58,639
Speaker 3: Was that the right? Ye? Get that word wrong.

1806
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 1: Also, the issue with their daughter wedding the bed was

1807
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:05,599
Speaker 1: a big deal with them. He got really pissed off

1808
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 1: about it. She'd even brought it up in one of

1809
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 1: her psychology classes. And I was just guessing maybe he

1810
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:15,599
Speaker 1: got more angry that night that she wet his side

1811
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 1: of the bed right right, Like, not just her bed,

1812
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 1: she wet the side of his side of the bed.

1813
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:24,320
Speaker 1: Something fucking snapped And at some point Jeffrey punches Collette

1814
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 1: in the face. Who then and this is all based

1815
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 1: on blood evidence, as well as the fibers from the pajamas. Right,

1816
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 1: Collette grabs a hair brush hits Jeffrey above his left eye.

1817
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 1: These are also based on the bruises and sorry, they

1818
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 1: wrestle and Jeffrey's pajama top gets torn in multiple places,

1819
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 1: and then he hits Collette in the face a second

1820
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:53,400
Speaker 1: time and grabs what we.

1821
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 3: Remember as the wooden club from earlier.

1822
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 1: What that turns out to be is that there was

1823
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 1: this wooden this piece of wood holding up a corner

1824
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:05,680
Speaker 1: portion of the master bed footboard. Because you know, how

1825
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:08,599
Speaker 1: sometimes it gets squabbly you jam something under it. He

1826
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:10,719
Speaker 1: fucking grabs whatever that is and he's on the floor

1827
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 1: and he fucking thrust it like jabs at her of

1828
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:18,000
Speaker 1: one end of that end her chest and that's where

1829
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:20,680
Speaker 1: that those came from, like a wooden steak, because she

1830
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 1: probably had something she was trying to hit with him,

1831
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 1: so we couldn't come.

1832
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:24,639
Speaker 3: Close to her.

1833
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:27,679
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, exactly, I wouldn't say. But he doesn't

1834
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 1: puncture her. He just like he just hits her with

1835
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 1: her like a javelin. So at this point, then Kimberly,

1836
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:39,240
Speaker 1: the daughter, enters the room. Here's her parents fighting maybe,

1837
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:43,080
Speaker 1: and Jeffrey turns around and hits her with the club

1838
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:47,040
Speaker 1: on the left side of her face. Collette then screams,

1839
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:49,559
Speaker 1: jeff why are you doing this, which is what he

1840
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 1: said he heard from the couch, but it's it's so

1841
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:56,640
Speaker 1: loud that he thinks maybe the neighbors heard it, so

1842
01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:58,720
Speaker 1: he includes it in his story, but he turns it

1843
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:02,519
Speaker 1: into jeff why are they doing this? Right? And then

1844
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:04,640
Speaker 1: Kimberly falls into the floor near the entrance of the

1845
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 1: master bedroom, and we know this because there's her blood spattered.

1846
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:08,639
Speaker 3: Around that area.

1847
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 1: Collette then grabs a knife from her side table, and

1848
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 1: she slashes Jeffrey's abdomen, resulting in that upside down v

1849
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:22,599
Speaker 1: laceration on his abdomen, and then Jeffrey retaliates with two

1850
01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:26,600
Speaker 1: blows with the club to Collette's head, knocking her unconscious.

1851
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 1: At this point, Jeffrey strips the bed, picks Kimberly up,

1852
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 1: who's unconscious, picks her from the bed sheet, and carries

1853
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 1: her back to her bedroom. He places her into a

1854
01:31:36,479 --> 01:31:41,559
Speaker 1: sleeping position. He at that point leaves fourteen pajama threads

1855
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:44,679
Speaker 1: under her bed covers. When he does that, a twenty

1856
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:49,519
Speaker 1: point five inch yarn of his bed clothes found is

1857
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:53,240
Speaker 1: found on top of Kimberly's pillow. And then this is

1858
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:55,360
Speaker 1: you know, he at this point supposedly would have had

1859
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:57,559
Speaker 1: his pajamas off by then, so the fact that his

1860
01:31:57,640 --> 01:31:59,640
Speaker 1: pajama threads are all over these places shows that this

1861
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:01,679
Speaker 1: is what he actually did, because they shouldn't be underneath

1862
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:04,599
Speaker 1: her even if he did come in there. He then

1863
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:07,120
Speaker 1: uses the club to strike Kimberly with two blows on

1864
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:09,720
Speaker 1: the right side of her face, and when he does that,

1865
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 1: he picked the club up and hit her twice casts

1866
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 1: blood onto the ceiling in those blows, and that blood

1867
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:22,679
Speaker 1: had both Kimberly and Collett's blood mixed in, which means

1868
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:26,360
Speaker 1: we know that he hit her first, hit Collett first.

1869
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:29,200
Speaker 1: Then he covers Kimberly's body with her blanket and bed covers.

1870
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:33,800
Speaker 1: Then he gets a knife from the kitchen and he

1871
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:38,040
Speaker 1: leaves behind minute traces of blood all over the kitchen,

1872
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:42,320
Speaker 1: and the pattern shows that he was pacing the kitchen.

1873
01:32:43,400 --> 01:32:45,680
Speaker 1: One thinks, trying to figure out what the fuck to do. Oh,

1874
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:48,479
Speaker 1: grabs a knife, paces the kitchen back and forth in

1875
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:52,599
Speaker 1: a panic. Probably they don't think it was premeditated. Probably

1876
01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:54,240
Speaker 1: was like, what do I do now? What do I

1877
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:57,120
Speaker 1: do now? What do I do now? Then he goes

1878
01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 1: into Kristen's room and this is the other daughter who's sleeping,

1879
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:04,160
Speaker 1: not part of this at all, and he stabs her

1880
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:06,519
Speaker 1: in the chest as she lay in her bed, and

1881
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:10,160
Speaker 1: the wounds indicate that Kristen was probably sleeping at this point,

1882
01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:13,320
Speaker 1: and her pajama top the wounds indicate that they had

1883
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:17,120
Speaker 1: it had been lifted before she was stabbed, and the

1884
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:19,880
Speaker 1: position of the wounds show that it was almost as

1885
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:25,560
Speaker 1: if he was trying to identify the location of vital orients. Oh,

1886
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:28,559
Speaker 1: because she got stabbed in these specific places that a

1887
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:32,559
Speaker 1: surgeon would know would bear the most, but that would

1888
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 1: do the most damage.

1889
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:37,200
Speaker 2: Right, Like he's trying to be efficient in killing his daughter.

1890
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 3: Right.

1891
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:41,559
Speaker 1: At some point, she wakes up to try to shield

1892
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:44,439
Speaker 1: herself because she had cuts and bruises on her hands,

1893
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:48,040
Speaker 1: and because of that pajama pajama fiber is found under

1894
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 1: her fingernail. He then stabs her in the back and

1895
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:56,360
Speaker 1: places her places his daughter back into a sleeping position

1896
01:33:56,439 --> 01:34:00,200
Speaker 1: on her bed, and he places her favorite pink security.

1897
01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 3: Blank in her arms. Can you fucking deal?

1898
01:34:05,240 --> 01:34:07,559
Speaker 1: He exits the room, and then when he's like bringing

1899
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:10,360
Speaker 1: the bed sheets to go maybe wash them, But here's

1900
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:13,720
Speaker 1: Collette stagger into Kristen's room. He hears her go in

1901
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:17,479
Speaker 1: there to try to protect her daughter, follows her in

1902
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:20,080
Speaker 1: with the club and he hits Collett in the face.

1903
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:22,720
Speaker 1: Collette places her arms in front of her face in

1904
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 1: an attempt to ward off the blows and her arms,

1905
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:29,320
Speaker 1: which is why her arms are bruised and shattered, and

1906
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:36,519
Speaker 1: she gets hit twice more. Then he sets so then

1907
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:39,120
Speaker 1: he sets his club, the club down on Kristin's bed,

1908
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:43,720
Speaker 1: which is why there are traces of Kimberly's blood on

1909
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:46,720
Speaker 1: the bed because the club he had hit Kimberly with

1910
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:49,559
Speaker 1: was then place on the bed. Is this in saying,

1911
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:51,559
Speaker 1: you're trying to say, you're trying to tell it's other people,

1912
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:56,400
Speaker 1: But there's such a basic, fucking obvious reason that it's

1913
01:34:56,479 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 1: not true, Which is why it's insane to me that

1914
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:02,040
Speaker 1: people are having have websites dedicated to his innocence.

1915
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:03,960
Speaker 3: Well right, because.

1916
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:06,600
Speaker 2: Back then nobody knew anything about like the any of

1917
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 2: this blood, right, the DNA and the blood type and

1918
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:10,599
Speaker 2: all that stuff didn't exists.

1919
01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:13,479
Speaker 1: All of this shows that it's a panic. This isn't planned,

1920
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 1: This is a fuck What am I gonna do? Because

1921
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:18,160
Speaker 1: then after all of this, he goes into the living

1922
01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:22,519
Speaker 1: room and he reads the Esquire magazine article, and we

1923
01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:25,040
Speaker 1: know this because there's a bloody smudge on the edge

1924
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:27,920
Speaker 1: of the magazine that then the blood belonged to Collette

1925
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:28,479
Speaker 1: and Kimberly.

1926
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:32,960
Speaker 3: He reads the article, then he tosses his glasses aside.

1927
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:34,680
Speaker 1: They landed under the window in the living room, and

1928
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:37,320
Speaker 1: we know this because on those glasses there's a mark

1929
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:42,240
Speaker 1: of Christen's blood and that throwing the glasses aside, to me,

1930
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:44,880
Speaker 1: is such a fucking definitive action of well, now I

1931
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:47,040
Speaker 1: know I have to fucking do you know I read

1932
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:52,360
Speaker 1: this article about how the Tait murders. You know we're

1933
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 1: blood crazed hippies. Well, now I fucking know I have

1934
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:56,559
Speaker 1: to finish this and make it look like that.

1935
01:35:56,680 --> 01:35:59,760
Speaker 3: It's also as a person who was on speed for

1936
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:03,040
Speaker 3: a year. I've done acid and I've done speed and

1937
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 3: that for way less reasons.

1938
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:05,479
Speaker 2: Oh right.

1939
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:07,600
Speaker 3: The idea that you would.

1940
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:12,519
Speaker 2: Be able to read anything in that circumstance, specifically where

1941
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:14,960
Speaker 2: he's just murdered his family and then he sits down

1942
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:18,320
Speaker 2: to read an article, to me, is like really indicative

1943
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 2: of the of the kind of psychopath he was, because

1944
01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:24,680
Speaker 2: that's can you imagine, like when you get into a

1945
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:27,040
Speaker 2: thunder bender, how freaked out you are, and now like

1946
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:29,479
Speaker 2: you're just kind of imagine in the middle of all that,

1947
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:32,040
Speaker 2: you sit down and read something or you what would

1948
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:33,880
Speaker 2: be how would you even take anything in?

1949
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:35,840
Speaker 1: Well, here's what I'm wondering is if he had read

1950
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:39,559
Speaker 1: it earlier that evening or whenever, because she had been

1951
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:41,840
Speaker 1: at she had been at school that evening, So I

1952
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:43,680
Speaker 1: wonder if he had read through it earlier or not

1953
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:46,160
Speaker 1: even thought about it, and then these things started happening,

1954
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:47,960
Speaker 1: and he was like, wait, how did they make this

1955
01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:50,479
Speaker 1: look like maybe he probably hadn't written the word pig

1956
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:54,320
Speaker 1: yet in blood and he was like maybe fueled on

1957
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:57,439
Speaker 1: by the fact that he had he hadn't slept and

1958
01:36:57,479 --> 01:37:00,320
Speaker 1: had read this stuff about these murders and kind of

1959
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:01,800
Speaker 1: was fueled by that. And then he went back to

1960
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:04,040
Speaker 1: the magazine to be like, how can I make this

1961
01:37:04,120 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 1: look like a cover up?

1962
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:07,280
Speaker 3: He wasn't going to read. He was going to find

1963
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:08,439
Speaker 3: a way to cover this up.

1964
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:11,040
Speaker 2: Right, get like the what are the exact details? He's

1965
01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:14,040
Speaker 2: basically being a doctor about it. Where I was like, well,

1966
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:15,760
Speaker 2: if I'm going to copy this, I'm going to copy

1967
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:18,120
Speaker 2: it correctly. Yeah, and I'm gonna do it in the

1968
01:37:18,160 --> 01:37:19,839
Speaker 2: way that's going to convince everybody.

1969
01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:24,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean, I'm it's just so cold.

1970
01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:27,320
Speaker 1: It's like, oh my god, he's a fucking reptile, a

1971
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:29,599
Speaker 1: total reptile. And then like another argument if you all

1972
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:31,320
Speaker 1: had on Reddit, which I can back this up, is

1973
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:33,760
Speaker 1: when you're on acid, you can't fucking kill people. Like

1974
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:41,120
Speaker 1: killing people on acid is not a thing. Okay, Then

1975
01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:43,439
Speaker 1: he tips over the living room coffee table to show

1976
01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:45,759
Speaker 1: that there's been a struggle where he supposedly was sleeping,

1977
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:47,720
Speaker 1: but it's there's a lot of evidence that shows that

1978
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:50,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't, which you can listen to in another podcast.

1979
01:37:52,120 --> 01:37:52,720
Speaker 3: Okay, So then he.

1980
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:54,840
Speaker 1: Uses a bedspread to take Collet's body back to the

1981
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:57,920
Speaker 1: master bedroom, and then the process leaves three bloody footprints

1982
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:01,280
Speaker 1: and collects blood as he leaves Kristen's room. And the

1983
01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:03,799
Speaker 1: fucking crazy thing about this is that they can tell

1984
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:08,960
Speaker 1: that he was carrying something heavy by the way the

1985
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:13,000
Speaker 1: footprints are mashed into the carpet. Oh, it's not that

1986
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:15,800
Speaker 1: fucking crazy. Oh, because it's pile carpet, like they can

1987
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:20,639
Speaker 1: measure it. How heavy was the footprint? A right, that's amazing.

1988
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 1: So here's we're almoston.

1989
01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:22,759
Speaker 3: Okay.

1990
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:27,360
Speaker 1: He puts Collette on the master bedroom floor and unknowingly

1991
01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:30,839
Speaker 1: sets her body down on top of twenty four pajama

1992
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:33,680
Speaker 1: fibers underneath her body, even though he said he put

1993
01:38:33,720 --> 01:38:39,120
Speaker 1: them on top. He hits her in the head again,

1994
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:41,759
Speaker 1: and then he goes into Kimberley's room with the knife

1995
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:45,479
Speaker 1: and flicts more of her injuries with the knife. Then

1996
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:48,639
Speaker 1: he takes the ice pick into Christen's room and flicks

1997
01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:50,960
Speaker 1: more wounds on her.

1998
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:52,680
Speaker 3: Then he goes back in.

1999
01:38:52,720 --> 01:38:56,519
Speaker 1: And stabs Collette in the chest and neck with a

2000
01:38:56,600 --> 01:38:59,680
Speaker 1: knife and stabs her twenty one times after he had

2001
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:01,960
Speaker 1: put on her his pajamatap on top of her. So

2002
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:03,639
Speaker 1: that way he puts his pajamatap on top of her,

2003
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:07,719
Speaker 1: stabs her twenty one times. And when the prosecutes were

2004
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:13,000
Speaker 1: in court, they were able to show that the pajama top,

2005
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:16,479
Speaker 1: the way it was laid down, matched every single one

2006
01:39:16,479 --> 01:39:19,200
Speaker 1: of those twenty one marks. So he had put it

2007
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:20,840
Speaker 1: on top of her as if to cover her so

2008
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:23,400
Speaker 1: he didn't have to see himself stabbing his wife. And

2009
01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:26,080
Speaker 1: twenty one of those twenty one marks went through that

2010
01:39:26,160 --> 01:39:29,680
Speaker 1: pajama top. So he said that they were on his

2011
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:32,000
Speaker 1: arms and he was fending off blows from the people

2012
01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:34,519
Speaker 1: in the that's why those twenty one marks were there.

2013
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:38,639
Speaker 2: And it perfectly matches his wife's wounds. Yep, insanely fuck

2014
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:42,599
Speaker 2: totally insane. Also, just this idea of a crazed man

2015
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:46,960
Speaker 2: walking from room to room killing and re killing his family.

2016
01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:50,720
Speaker 1: It's horrifying that and like he had never apparently they

2017
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:54,559
Speaker 1: were in an apartment building. So no one was ever

2018
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:56,680
Speaker 1: Like they had never argued before, they had never heard

2019
01:39:56,720 --> 01:39:58,840
Speaker 1: them fight. They had some fucked up problems with the relationship.

2020
01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:02,680
Speaker 1: He had had multip pull affairs, like he had been

2021
01:40:02,720 --> 01:40:06,920
Speaker 1: fucking fifteen women up until that point, Like they were

2022
01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:09,040
Speaker 1: having big marital problems, but they had never fought. So

2023
01:40:09,120 --> 01:40:12,040
Speaker 1: this is a guy who is whacked out of his

2024
01:40:12,120 --> 01:40:16,680
Speaker 1: mind and fucking snaps. Yeah, doing this. It's not a

2025
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:19,600
Speaker 1: it's not a methodical killer. It's someone who is like,

2026
01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:21,200
Speaker 1: here's what needs to be done and does it.

2027
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:23,040
Speaker 3: He's over the edge for sure.

2028
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:25,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's over the edge, right, And so the Sam

2029
01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:30,479
Speaker 1: Shepherd case is really similar. Okay, this one was after

2030
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:33,719
Speaker 1: Sam Shepherd. Yeah yeah, Sam shepperds in the late fifties.

2031
01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:38,439
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so he probably heard about that one too, right, Yes.

2032
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:41,200
Speaker 1: So then he walks to the back door with the weapons,

2033
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:43,680
Speaker 1: tosses them into the into the murder bush, into the.

2034
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:45,320
Speaker 3: One bush what do we call it, the murder bush.

2035
01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:48,479
Speaker 1: Murder bush goes back in the bush, weapon bush, goes

2036
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:51,240
Speaker 1: back into the master bedroom, uses the surgeon's glove to

2037
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:54,160
Speaker 1: write the word pig on the headboard of the master bed.

2038
01:40:54,240 --> 01:40:55,640
Speaker 3: There's three fibers.

2039
01:40:55,720 --> 01:40:58,880
Speaker 1: I know, three fibers from the pajamas found near the

2040
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:01,479
Speaker 1: left corner of the four the footboard, and one fiber

2041
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:04,120
Speaker 1: found near the headboard, So it was clearly him while

2042
01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:07,920
Speaker 1: he was wait, that must have been Okay, something's going

2043
01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:12,519
Speaker 1: on anyways. Then he obtained a disposable scalpel blade from

2044
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:15,200
Speaker 1: the hallway closet because he won't even fucking stab himself

2045
01:41:15,240 --> 01:41:18,920
Speaker 1: with the eyes pick, stabs himself in the right side

2046
01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:20,960
Speaker 1: of his chest with a scalpel blade, and then I

2047
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:22,680
Speaker 1: go to red it and read it, says someone on

2048
01:41:22,720 --> 01:41:25,400
Speaker 1: Reddit is really smart, and they say, it is exactly

2049
01:41:25,479 --> 01:41:28,799
Speaker 1: where the doctor makes an incision to place a chest tube,

2050
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:34,320
Speaker 1: to place a chest tube, So this is the spot

2051
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:36,800
Speaker 1: that we and he was like an emergency technician, this

2052
01:41:36,920 --> 01:41:39,400
Speaker 1: is where we cut someone to place a chest tobe

2053
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:41,920
Speaker 1: because there is almost zero risk of harming the patient.

2054
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:45,200
Speaker 1: So he collapses his lung, but in a place that's

2055
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:49,000
Speaker 1: not dangerous. He thinks that the severity of this wound

2056
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:52,080
Speaker 1: will make people think I didn't do it myself.

2057
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:56,240
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, but then he is assured that he won't

2058
01:41:56,240 --> 01:41:57,599
Speaker 2: be hurt in any exactly hurt.

2059
01:41:57,560 --> 01:42:01,400
Speaker 1: Enough to make people not suspect him. He then gathers

2060
01:42:01,479 --> 01:42:03,880
Speaker 1: himself for a little bit and then he phones authorities

2061
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:08,600
Speaker 1: at three forty am and three forty two am. He

2062
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:13,160
Speaker 1: did it twice, so that's how what really happened. Jeffrey

2063
01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:17,759
Speaker 1: MacDonald is now sixty eight and he remarried and is

2064
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:18,599
Speaker 1: still in prison.

2065
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:20,679
Speaker 3: Oh, sixty eight years.

2066
01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:23,519
Speaker 1: Old might be from an article I didn't okay, look

2067
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:25,559
Speaker 1: at the date, but he's he's an older man now,

2068
01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:26,320
Speaker 1: but he's still in prison.

2069
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:26,840
Speaker 3: He's married.

2070
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:29,559
Speaker 2: When you said remarried, though, I was like, sorry, did

2071
01:42:29,560 --> 01:42:30,120
Speaker 2: he get off?

2072
01:42:30,439 --> 01:42:33,760
Speaker 1: Like, no, he's in prison and married in prison, Okay,

2073
01:42:34,120 --> 01:42:34,920
Speaker 1: one of those people.

2074
01:42:35,080 --> 01:42:35,400
Speaker 3: Sure.

2075
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:38,559
Speaker 1: He has never wavered from his claim that he didn't

2076
01:42:38,600 --> 01:42:41,360
Speaker 1: kill his wife and their children, and he says he'll

2077
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:45,200
Speaker 1: never apply for parole because that would require an admission

2078
01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:49,479
Speaker 1: of guilts even though he's up for parole, which means

2079
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:52,360
Speaker 1: he won't be eligible for release until they're twenty seventy one.

2080
01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:55,719
Speaker 1: But he is still fighting for a new trial based

2081
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:58,559
Speaker 1: on the fact that this woman, Helena said she was

2082
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:00,280
Speaker 1: the drug crazed hippie, and there's a been is of

2083
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:02,760
Speaker 1: her online. You can find all kinds of videos from

2084
01:43:02,760 --> 01:43:05,920
Speaker 1: this of her just going no of her saying I

2085
01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:07,559
Speaker 1: did it. I don't know, maybe I did do it.

2086
01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:11,559
Speaker 1: Go watch Fatal Visions. It's amazing. There's there's so many

2087
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:14,160
Speaker 1: interviews with him in prison.

2088
01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:14,559
Speaker 3: He looked.

2089
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:20,560
Speaker 1: He reminds you of Ted Bundy meets fucking Robert Durst. Yeah,

2090
01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:24,120
Speaker 1: it's fucked up. So that's Jeffrey MacDonald who murdered Collette,

2091
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:25,880
Speaker 1: Kimberly and Kristen.

2092
01:43:26,120 --> 01:43:29,320
Speaker 3: Oh wow, it was amazing. Thank you.

2093
01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:33,280
Speaker 2: It's so satisfying because the other one was really frustrating

2094
01:43:33,479 --> 01:43:38,439
Speaker 2: because it's the other one was so similar, the Sorry

2095
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:43,760
Speaker 2: Sam Shepherd, Sam Shepherd one was so similar but so mysterious,

2096
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:47,679
Speaker 2: whereas this one is like it's parallel, but then it's

2097
01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:48,840
Speaker 2: the worst version.

2098
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:51,880
Speaker 1: It's almost like this one is from someone who's even

2099
01:43:52,360 --> 01:43:57,200
Speaker 1: more narcissistic because he didn't even come up with a

2100
01:43:57,280 --> 01:44:03,040
Speaker 1: good there's no plan that's good enough to fucking make

2101
01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:05,479
Speaker 1: it seem like you didn't do it. No, there's nothing

2102
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:10,200
Speaker 1: that timeline, and it's it's if you read it specifically

2103
01:44:10,280 --> 01:44:13,320
Speaker 1: on that website that I found let me see here,

2104
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:18,599
Speaker 1: the mcdonaldcasefacts dot com. If you read it on that

2105
01:44:18,640 --> 01:44:21,880
Speaker 1: by Philip Philip Callahan, it's even more specific and says

2106
01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:24,240
Speaker 1: what blood is, where, what brain matter is? Where there's

2107
01:44:24,240 --> 01:44:26,040
Speaker 1: a drop of blood here, there's a drop of blood here,

2108
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:28,000
Speaker 1: this blood is so, and so is this blood is

2109
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:32,280
Speaker 1: this person's like it's there's a hundred more like pieces

2110
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:34,439
Speaker 1: of blood evidence and fiber evidence that.

2111
01:44:36,160 --> 01:44:38,840
Speaker 3: Have there's no way to explain them away. I didn't

2112
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:40,040
Speaker 3: the fact that he did it right.

2113
01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:43,920
Speaker 2: Also, it just popped in my head because I'm I

2114
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:47,880
Speaker 2: can't get over a father stabbing his daughters who are

2115
01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:52,280
Speaker 2: so young. But if you're a surgeon, that kind of

2116
01:44:52,320 --> 01:44:55,680
Speaker 2: interaction with the human body, isn't that weird to you?

2117
01:44:55,800 --> 01:44:59,120
Speaker 2: Because you do it a lot of times in a

2118
01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:01,639
Speaker 2: life saving way, so like.

2119
01:45:02,640 --> 01:45:05,880
Speaker 3: The body is just not a human body to you.

2120
01:45:06,120 --> 01:45:08,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they say that thing about like no, I

2121
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:11,440
Speaker 1: fucking sort insult a bunch of surgeons, but that surgeons

2122
01:45:11,479 --> 01:45:13,200
Speaker 1: have a harder.

2123
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:16,160
Speaker 3: They are not Oh well this is the thing I'm

2124
01:45:16,200 --> 01:45:18,680
Speaker 3: not and this is going out to call and clink.

2125
01:45:21,320 --> 01:45:24,840
Speaker 1: You started it just that Well, the brain is different

2126
01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:26,479
Speaker 1: because it's not something you see every day or you

2127
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:28,479
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But like the thing of where

2128
01:45:28,479 --> 01:45:30,519
Speaker 1: it's like if you are able to cut into a

2129
01:45:30,720 --> 01:45:33,040
Speaker 1: human body every single day and not think of it

2130
01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:33,720
Speaker 1: like and not.

2131
01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:38,040
Speaker 3: Be freaked out by it. Right, you have a you

2132
01:45:38,120 --> 01:45:38,960
Speaker 3: have a really.

2133
01:45:39,479 --> 01:45:42,839
Speaker 1: A brain that's really good at disassociating itself from other people.

2134
01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:45,800
Speaker 2: Yes, is how I'll say, yeah, yeah, yeah, from that

2135
01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:48,160
Speaker 2: any kind of it's a different thing for you.

2136
01:45:48,439 --> 01:45:50,599
Speaker 3: It's not. It's not a human anymore.

2137
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:52,320
Speaker 2: But that still doesn't explain the fact that they were

2138
01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:53,639
Speaker 2: his goddamn daughters.

2139
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:55,519
Speaker 3: I don't know that. I'm so offended.

2140
01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:59,840
Speaker 1: But the thing of like the people who are narcissists,

2141
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:03,920
Speaker 1: who think of their children as a part of themselves,

2142
01:46:03,960 --> 01:46:06,679
Speaker 1: an extension of themselves. So he's not killing his daughter.

2143
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:10,599
Speaker 3: He's he's he's doing what he needs to do, right,

2144
01:46:11,160 --> 01:46:14,600
Speaker 3: It's part of him, it's his property. He could do

2145
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:17,559
Speaker 3: whatever he wants with it. Oh fuck, And I mean

2146
01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:19,080
Speaker 3: how is it?

2147
01:46:19,640 --> 01:46:22,400
Speaker 1: And I'm not a parent, clearly, but how is it?

2148
01:46:22,439 --> 01:46:23,360
Speaker 1: I mean, look at my body?

2149
01:46:24,600 --> 01:46:27,600
Speaker 3: How is it? How is it any easier?

2150
01:46:27,840 --> 01:46:28,000
Speaker 1: Oh?

2151
01:46:28,160 --> 01:46:29,280
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't say this, right.

2152
01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:31,400
Speaker 1: I could never kill a child, even though I'm not

2153
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:34,920
Speaker 1: it's parent. How is it easier for someone else to

2154
01:46:34,960 --> 01:46:35,400
Speaker 1: do it?

2155
01:46:35,400 --> 01:46:35,680
Speaker 3: It's not.

2156
01:46:36,160 --> 01:46:39,600
Speaker 1: That's just that's why he is, this anomaly and this

2157
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:42,160
Speaker 1: freak and this thing that you get to look at

2158
01:46:42,200 --> 01:46:44,840
Speaker 1: and talk a child at all, little on your own,

2159
01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:51,960
Speaker 1: you know, horrifying jeff and McDonald repeatedly, Okay, wow, that

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Speaker 1: was great.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're back. Are there updates for this?

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Speaker 3: There are updates.

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Speaker 1: McDonald has maintained his innocence and repeatedly challenged his convictions

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Speaker 1: to no success. At twenty twenty one, Department of Justice

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Speaker 1: press release notes that these challenges have quote been repeatedly

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Speaker 1: rejected by federal courts at every level end quote. As

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Speaker 1: of January twenty twenty six, Jeffrey McDonald is still in prison.

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Speaker 1: He's eighty two years old. In twenty twenty, FX released

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Speaker 1: a docu series on the case called A Wilderness of Error.

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Speaker 1: There are some like compelling bits of information against.

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Speaker 2: His guilty finding his conviction, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but not enough for me to believe that he

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Speaker 1: didn't do it. Yeah, so I would definitely watch that.

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Speaker 1: It's very compelling case.

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Speaker 2: I mean, those are the toughest ones where it is

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Speaker 2: hard to First of all, it's a crime that's so

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Speaker 2: hard to believe anyone would do.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: Then it was handled in a way that's so messy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: That then just the fact that these many mistakes were

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Speaker 2: made or this right, then you're kind of like, well

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Speaker 2: then maybe no one would do this, or maybe this

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Speaker 2: isn't real right.

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Speaker 1: It's the same as John Binney, where it's like you're

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Speaker 1: never going to get the answer based on just the

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Speaker 1: evidence that was gathered that night.

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Speaker 3: You're not going to.

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Speaker 2: Now we're going to head back, So wrap up this

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Speaker 2: old episode.

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Speaker 3: Thank god. You need to go to the mprov right now,

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Speaker 3: so I can't. I won't make it plug your show.

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Speaker 3: See what time is it? Can I just say this

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Speaker 3: right now? Guy brand On?

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Speaker 1: Twenty five minutes later, already, sorry, fucked, I go love.

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Speaker 2: Somebody posted a picture of themselves standing outside the improv today.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna make it all right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna blow them away. Let's just do a

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Speaker 2: quick thing you like this week? Go to Vegas tomorrow

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01:48:49,240 --> 01:48:50,639
Speaker 2: for Vince's birthday. Super excited?

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Speaker 3: Oh nice? Did I already tell my bigas story that

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Speaker 3: you wouldn't say? Magic Month, Magic Mike? Did I tell

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01:48:56,280 --> 01:48:57,800
Speaker 3: that though online? Did I tell it live?

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01:48:57,920 --> 01:48:57,960
Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: You didn't. Guys.

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Speaker 2: If you are new of Las Vegas or you're going

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Speaker 2: anytime soon, one thousand percent, go see the Magic Mike

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Speaker 2: strip show.

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Speaker 3: At hard rock. It is so good. It's not sarcasm.

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Speaker 3: I'm not being sarcastic.

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01:49:12,479 --> 01:49:16,160
Speaker 2: You can tell because of how deep and resonating my voices.

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01:49:16,520 --> 01:49:17,560
Speaker 2: If I'm being sarcastic.

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Speaker 3: Goes up like this.

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Speaker 2: It's so good and the dancers are amazing, and the

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01:49:23,439 --> 01:49:26,320
Speaker 2: show is really cool and very modern, and a woman

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01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:32,040
Speaker 2: is the host, and it's very much about women getting

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01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:35,880
Speaker 2: what they want. It's really cool, it's very sexy. The

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Speaker 2: dancing is incredible. Can I take Vince totally? But yeah,

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01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:43,320
Speaker 2: there was like probably five guys.

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Speaker 3: But if they go out there and I'm like, where's Vince.

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Speaker 1: You said I went to the bathroom to have an

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Speaker 1: hour ago, and then it comes out on stage and

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01:49:47,240 --> 01:49:50,920
Speaker 1: he's in one of the dancers and he's like, it's

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Speaker 1: a happy anniversary or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Does a whole dance.

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Speaker 2: The dancing is so good and just their acrobats, their gymnasts,

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Speaker 2: their dancers, they're musicians amazing.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy. That's it. Triple Threat. All right, we are

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Speaker 3: back to wrap up the show.

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Speaker 2: The Weapon Bush Show. Okay, this episode was titled Weapon

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Speaker 2: Bush obviously, so.

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Speaker 1: We're naming it today based on some of the stuff

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Speaker 1: we said in this episode. Perhaps we would call it

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01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:22,120
Speaker 1: moment of chaos.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 1: We could also call it levels of hysteria, and then

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Speaker 1: we could call it, Oh, this is a good idea.

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01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:34,880
Speaker 2: Smart words from Colin Klink telling us using smart ort

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01:50:35,080 --> 01:50:39,120
Speaker 2: to explain, to explain that to us or Eva Marie Saint.

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Speaker 2: My favorite joke of My Dad's Love Dad Show, classic

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Speaker 2: comedy from Jim love it. Okay, that's this week's episode

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Speaker 2: of rewind. Thanks for being here.

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01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:53,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to say goodbye from twenty seventeen. Thanks everybody,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 3: You guys, we really.

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01:50:54,920 --> 01:50:57,920
Speaker 1: Appreciate everything you do for us. Stay sexy, I don't

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01:50:58,000 --> 01:50:58,719
Speaker 1: get murdered.

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Speaker 3: Give me y