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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, Josh Hammer, host of America on Trial with

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Speaker 1: Josh Hammer filling in tonight for Jesse Kelly on I'm right,

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Speaker 1: Trump verdict imminently forthcoming there in New York City. We

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Speaker 1: have never seen anything like this before in the entire

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Speaker 1: history of the public. Mike Davis, founder of Article three project,

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Speaker 1: helped you with us later to unpack it all. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden campaign today in Philadelphia. Is Pennsylvania in play

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Speaker 1: for Trump? Isn't in play for Biden? Very important Swing states.

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Speaker 1: Sean Spice was going to stop by later in the

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Speaker 1: show to break it all through for us. Then later

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Speaker 1: on what is going on the Southern board? Do we

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Speaker 1: just winn as a terrorist attack at the southern border?

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Speaker 1: God forbid? Todd Benson's going to stop by to break

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Speaker 1: that down for us as well. All of that and

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Speaker 1: more on im right, I would say.

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Speaker 2: In listening to the chargers from the judge, who's as.

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Speaker 3: You know, very conflicted.

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Speaker 4: Because of the confliction, very very correctly, Mother Teresa could

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Speaker 4: not beat these judges.

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Speaker 2: These charges are rigged. The whole thing is rigged. It's

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Speaker 2: a disgrace, and I mean that Mother Teresa could not

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Speaker 2: beat those judges. But we'll see, we'll see how we do.

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Speaker 3: I think the people of this country see that this

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Speaker 3: is a rigged deal.

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Speaker 4: It's a weaponized deal for the Democrats to hit their

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Speaker 4: political opponents.

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Speaker 1: Mother Teresa could not beat these charges, so says former

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Speaker 1: President Donald Trump.

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Speaker 5: You know he's probably right.

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Speaker 1: But before we explain why he's probably right about that,

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Speaker 1: why don't we take a step back a little bit

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Speaker 1: and explain at how exactly it is that we have

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Speaker 1: gotten to this point. There are four criminal prosecutions currently

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Speaker 1: pending against President Donald Trump. Alvin Bragg, the Soros funded

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Speaker 1: prosecutor in New York County, New York. He was the

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Speaker 1: first out of the gate. He was the first one

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Speaker 1: to drop his thirty four count indictments over a year ago.

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Speaker 1: Now in April of twenty twenty three. Take a look

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Speaker 1: at those charges.

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Speaker 5: Though.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna circle back to what's happening right now in

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Speaker 1: the court room. But I think it's important just to

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Speaker 1: set the scene and just do a very brief surveying

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Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg's thirty four account indictment drops thirty four misdemeanor

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Speaker 1: charges for New York State fraudulent bookkeeping. Now, that particular

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Speaker 1: charge in New York State, lest I remind you, has

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Speaker 1: a two year statute of limitations built into it. What

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Speaker 1: that means is that the actual underlying charge for Alvin

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Speaker 1: Bragg this Soro's funded prosecutor who literally campaigned for office

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Speaker 1: on an explicit Get Trump platform. Yes, he literally did

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Speaker 1: do that. Those thirty four accounts actually told around twenty

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Speaker 1: eighteen or so because of the two year statute of

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Speaker 1: limitations all along, but Alvin Bragg's theory of the case

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Speaker 1: has been along with Matthew Colangelo, the former third ranking

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Speaker 1: now moonlighting as Alvin Bragg's as the robin to his

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Speaker 1: batman there in the New York County New York DA's

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Speaker 1: off the brag Colangelo theory of the case. Dare I

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Speaker 1: say also the judge Wanmersham theory of the case, because

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Speaker 1: the judge seems to be just in with the prosecution

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Speaker 1: at this point. The theory of the case has been

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Speaker 1: that the way to get around a two year statute

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Speaker 1: of limitations while simultaneously elevating this misdemeanor offense to a felony,

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Speaker 1: thereby opening up the possibility of putting Donald Trump in

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Speaker 1: literal handcuffs and incarcerating him off in Riker's Island. Their

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Speaker 1: theory has been that the fraudulent bookkeeping charges were actually

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Speaker 1: done in furtherance of something else, emphasis on dot dot

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Speaker 1: dot something else. Notably in the indictment last year when

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Speaker 1: it dropped in April twenty twenty three, Alvin Bragg never

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Speaker 1: said what that something else was. And here we are

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Speaker 1: we still don't know what that something else is. We

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Speaker 1: had closing arguments that took place yesterday, and the debate

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Speaker 1: in general over the past thirty six to forty eight hours,

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Speaker 1: or really the debate going back for at least a

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Speaker 1: week or two now, has been what are the jury

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Speaker 1: instructions going to be? How are the jury instructions going

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Speaker 1: to possibly account for the fact that the prosecution to

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Speaker 1: the case is. You know, I've made this point on

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Speaker 1: my daily show here on the First America on Trial

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Speaker 1: so often because it just bears repeating. We are in

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Speaker 1: the uncharted waters, the uncharted territory of a former president

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Speaker 1: said but the actual predicate offense hits. They have not

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Speaker 1: ever bothered to fill in that infurtherance of They have

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Speaker 1: flowed the possibility that it is a New York state

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Speaker 1: campaign finance violation. They have flowed the possibility that it

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Speaker 1: is a federal the United States Code campaign finance violation, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, Alvin Bragg, as a New York County

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Speaker 1: New York DA, doesn't even have jurisdiction to bring that.

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Speaker 1: One doesn't have jurisdiction of bringing federal campaign fans violation.

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Speaker 1: That they upload, the possibility that maybe it is some

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Speaker 1: sort of tax violation. So all along this jury instruction

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Speaker 1: debate has boiled down to this, Will the jury instructions

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Speaker 1: say what the actual crime is? Will it include what

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Speaker 1: lawyers call the relevant men'srea, the specific intentionality needed, these

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Speaker 1: specific mentality, these specific mental state, the subjective mental state

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Speaker 1: of the criminal defendant. You know, back when I was

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Speaker 1: my first year back at the University of Chicago Law School,

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Speaker 1: you learn that every crime has two parts. A men's rea,

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Speaker 1: which is your mentality, and then the actus rayis that's

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Speaker 1: the actual littural act. For example, if you are prosecuting

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Speaker 1: someone for homicide, the way that you can differentiate, among

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Speaker 1: other factors between manslaughter, first degree murder, and so forth,

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Speaker 1: is what is the men's rea? Was it premeditated and

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Speaker 1: cold blood? Was it a negligent homicide?

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Speaker 5: And so forth?

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Speaker 1: There a judge here, wanmer Sean not only has completely

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Speaker 1: completely elighted any possible consideration of relevant men's rea, the

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Speaker 1: jury instructions go even further than that. In what thesoways

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Speaker 1: exceptional legal commentator Jonathan Turley refers to as a coup

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Speaker 1: de gras, as a coup de gras for foreign President Trump.

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Speaker 1: And I hope and pray that Jonathan Turley is wrong

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Speaker 1: on that. But he said earlier today, and this has

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Speaker 1: been corroberated elsewhere, that the jury instructions include include a

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Speaker 1: deliberate omission, a deliberate decision not to fill in what

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Speaker 1: that infurtherance of predicate offense is. But another way, if

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Speaker 1: the twelve jurors, let's say four of them, say that

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Speaker 1: the infurtherance of from the fraudulent bookkeeping is actually in

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Speaker 1: furtherance of a New York state campaign finance law. They

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Speaker 1: said that, Let's say four more say that it is

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Speaker 1: in furtherance of a federal campaign finance law. And then

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Speaker 1: the required unanimity. That would mean that Donald Trump is convicted. Guys,

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Speaker 1: the fixes in this thing has been jerry rigged from

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Speaker 1: the outset. Robert de Niro, the whole Biden campaign apparatus

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Speaker 1: there outside the courtroom yesterday literally showing to the world

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Speaker 1: what many of us have said for months and months now,

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Speaker 1: which is that this is not a legal proceeding. This

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Speaker 1: is not a criminal trial. This is a politicized lawfair

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Speaker 1: is now increasingly forced to put all of their eggs

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Speaker 1: in this particular basket. All the others are collapsing. In Georgia,

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Speaker 1: the Fannie Willis case, that's not again, the trial before

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Speaker 1: Novac in Florida, the classified documents case. Judge Aleen Cannon

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Speaker 1: has been doing a great job of slowwalking there. That's

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Speaker 5: Similarly unlikely.

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Speaker 1: We are now waiting for the US Supreme Court to

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Speaker 1: tell us what happens when it comes to the scope

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Speaker 1: and breadth and depth of presidential community. So the Democrat

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Speaker 1: law fair complex is putting all of its eggs into

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Speaker 1: this rotten, feated New York City basket. And they know

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Speaker 1: it too. That is why they are pulling out all

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Speaker 1: the stunts. That is why the Democrat partisan judge While Marshan,

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Speaker 1: whose daughter Lauren Marshon has fundraised up to ninety three

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Speaker 1: million dollars for her well connected, well heeled Democratic fundraising

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Speaker 1: might become the first judge to incarcerate a former president.

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Speaker 1: That is why they have not seated an inch. Why

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Speaker 1: would they. They're on the one yard line at this point. Folks,

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Speaker 1: If you are a red blooded American patriot, if you

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Speaker 1: are a constitutionalist, if you like me, if you love

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Speaker 1: proudly waive the flag on July fourth, if you reread

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Speaker 1: Jefferson's eloquent rhetoric and the decoration, If you love our constitution,

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Speaker 1: our separation of powers, our federalist structure, our Bill of rights,

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Speaker 1: all of that, it doesn't matter what your part is,

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Speaker 1: an affiliation is. It doesn't actually matter who you hope

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Speaker 1: an acquittal or a hung jury in this case, the

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Speaker 1: people of the State of New York versus Donald J.

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Speaker 5: This case is an absolute farce. Some of the other

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Speaker 5: cases maybe could have gone in a different direction. The

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Speaker 5: classified Documents case in Florida. Okay, if Jacksmith, the Special

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Speaker 5: Council had prosecuted on a different charge, if he had

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Speaker 5: shoot an espionage Act, prosecution had decided to just go

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Speaker 5: with obstruction of justice, he actually might have had a case.

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Speaker 5: He didn't do that, obviously, but he might have had

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Speaker 5: a case. But this case, this case, where the jury

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Speaker 5: is deliberating and they don't even know what the actual

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Speaker 5: black letter criminal statue that they are supposed to be

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Speaker 5: assessing and adjudicating is we have crossed a rubicon, folks,

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Speaker 5: and it is not a pretty rubicon at all. Up next,

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Speaker 5: we're talking about all this and more with Mike Davis,

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Speaker 5: the founder of the Article three project. Mike's been all

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Speaker 5: over the airwaves when it comes to the lawfair against Trump.

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Speaker 5: Can't wait to get his reactions. Stay with us.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Hammer once again filling in for Jessic Kelly

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Speaker 1: on I'm right, you're not.

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Speaker 7: Stuck in your time share? Do you believe you were

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Speaker 7: stuck in your time share? Because these time share companies

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Speaker 7: is I mean, look what they did to you, They

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Speaker 7: do to everybody. They get you in with the fancy seminar.

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Speaker 7: Looks good, and look at the beach house, and you

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Speaker 5: But eventually, as they know everyone's.

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Speaker 7: Gonna move on, you're done with it. Maybe you can't

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Speaker 7: I'm done. Y'all can have it back and that's when

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Speaker 7: they drop it on.

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Speaker 5: You have it back.

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Speaker 7: Lone Star Transfer will get you out. They will legally

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Speaker 7: wasting your breath. Call lone Star transfer. This family business

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Speaker 7: will set you free eight four four three one zero

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Speaker 7: two six four six lone Star Transfer.

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Speaker 1: Time for some more insight on the first ever criminal

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Speaker 1: trial of a foreign president of the United States. Let's

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Speaker 2: My thoughts have not changed. This is a partisan, corrupt,

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Speaker 2: a rigged jury. And then we saw this judgment. Sean

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Speaker 2: So four people can say it was a federal election crime,

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Speaker 2: this is a partisan, corrupt, rigged process against President Trump.

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Speaker 2: This is law fair at election interference.

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Speaker 1: So the point that I made it in the opening

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Speaker 5: What the actual heck, what the actual heck?

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Speaker 2: I think this is so rigged against President, with this

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Speaker 2: going to find Trump guilty for this noncrime of a

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Speaker 2: Apparently I'm the felony because I've been settling these nuisance

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Speaker 1: All right, so let's assume the worst. Let's assume that

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Speaker 2: this is where these Biden Democrats don't understand this. Trump's

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Speaker 2: We're just gonna put him in home confinements. And then

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one under said, and that very much is one

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Speaker 1: Justice sam Alito, who has been in the leftist crosshairs

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Speaker 1: When do you go ahead and just break that down

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Speaker 2: That He's absolutely right? Justice Alito should tell them to

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Speaker 2: required not to recuse. With the lower federal courts. The

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Speaker 2: do not recuse because you do not want to what

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Speaker 2: Alito should not recuse. His wife blew an upside down

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Speaker 2: lucky that Missus Alito only flew the upside down distress

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Speaker 2: Jody Canter at The New York Times is a partisan

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Speaker 6: Under Trump, this kind of government will perish from the earth.

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Speaker 6: I don't mean to scare you. No, no, wait, maybe

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Speaker 6: I do mean to scare you. If Trump returns to

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Speaker 6: the White House, you can kiss these freedoms goodbye. We

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Speaker 6: all take for granted, and elections forget about it. That's over,

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Speaker 6: that's done. If he gets in, I can tell you

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Speaker 6: right now.

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Speaker 7: He will never leave.

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Speaker 6: He will never leave. You know that he will never leave.

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Speaker 1: Elections forget about it, says washed Uff former A List

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Speaker 1: actor Robert de Niro.

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Speaker 5: But what says Sean Spicer.

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Speaker 1: Sean Spicer is the host, of course, of the Shawn

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Speaker 1: Spicer Show right here on the first TV Monday through

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Speaker 1: Friday at seven pm. Sewan, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: joining us. As you and I both watched this this

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Speaker 1: clown car destruction from Robert de Niro and the Democrat

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Speaker 1: law Fair complex playing out outside of the courtroom of

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Speaker 1: Justice wanmer Shawn in New York City earlier this week.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've talked about the law Fair already on

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Speaker 1: this show. What are the politics of this? I mean,

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Speaker 1: is this actually going to work out for the Democrats?

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Speaker 1: Seems like kind of a hail Mary to me.

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Speaker 5: Oh, it's a huge Heil Mary.

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Speaker 3: You see the guy in the back by the way, ah,

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Speaker 3: the black gentleman to over Danniro's left shoulder. He is

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Speaker 3: the constructor for the Biden campaign. This was clearly I mean,

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Speaker 3: I cannot believe the level of incompetence, the idea that

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Speaker 3: you would show up, you haven't shown up in what

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Speaker 3: five weeks, and suddenly you show up on the day

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Speaker 3: of this court hearing and make a big spectacle like this.

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Speaker 3: This was I mean, this was a massive unforced error,

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Speaker 3: and it proved the Trump campaign's point that this is

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Speaker 3: all political by the very nature of the campaign folks

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Speaker 3: showing up, and secondly by the fact that that you've

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Speaker 3: got the constructor for the campaign standing behind him. So

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Speaker 3: it was really I frankly, they had tried to keep

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Speaker 3: this notion that it was political out of the dialogue

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Speaker 3: for a while. This just literally gave the campaign on

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Speaker 3: the Trump side the perfect talking point when it needed

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Speaker 3: one desperately, just in terms of the nature and the narrative.

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Speaker 3: So I cannot believe I look here my guests on this.

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Speaker 3: By the way, there was a big political headline yesterday

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Speaker 3: saying that the Dems were freaking out their words, not mine,

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Speaker 3: about how this campaign is being run and the concern

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Speaker 3: that a lot of leading Democrats have about the current

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Speaker 3: poll numbers. This just gave further concern to that same

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Speaker 3: group of people.

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't be.

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Speaker 3: Surprised to see a shake up at the top levels

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Speaker 3: of the campaign in the next week or two. More

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Speaker 3: likely than not. What I would see as like some

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Speaker 3: kind of babysitter coming in where they say that they're

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Speaker 3: bringing in an old hand, a rama manual, if you will.

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Speaker 3: Somebody comes in and says he's going to be the

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Speaker 3: new chairman or something like that. But these guys are

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Speaker 3: making unforced errors at a critical time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, they're making a ton of unforced stairs, and they're

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Speaker 1: making it right out in the open, and they are

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Speaker 1: freaking out. As the political article described in luscious and

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Speaker 1: quite livid detail. And you know, the Biden campaign is

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Speaker 1: in Philadelphia this week. They're in Pennsylvania while Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: is being confined to this core room in New York City.

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Speaker 1: So what is the place there? Are they trying just

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Speaker 1: to gin up black support in Philadelphia? They trying to

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Speaker 1: reassure the black demographic. I mean, when they look at

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Speaker 1: the current polls, when they look at the stunts they're

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Speaker 1: pulling this hail Mary thing with Robert de Niro, what

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Speaker 1: is their move just to try to get enthusiasmic voter

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Speaker 1: turnout from historically democratic groups like black voters, millennials, groups

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Speaker 1: like that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's twofold.

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Speaker 3: The first is that logistically it's easy, right, I mean,

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Speaker 3: this is their go too. If they need to go somewhere,

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Speaker 3: you go to Pennsylvania. I mean you see this every week.

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Speaker 3: It's like on the way home for him when he

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Speaker 3: goes to Delaware to the beach or to his house.

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Speaker 3: So it's logistically easy. Two, it's part of what they

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Speaker 3: call the Blue Wall Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 5: They have to win.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't see how there's any scenario to

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Speaker 3: get to two seventy if you don't win one of

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Speaker 3: those three if you're Biden. Right, So that's it. And

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Speaker 3: then look and then to your point about that, they

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Speaker 3: know that they are rooting support among black men in particular.

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Speaker 3: You've seen Trump at the end of the last election,

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Speaker 3: he was about eight percent. Right now he's pulling just

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Speaker 3: north of twenty percent. That's a concern from them. You

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Speaker 3: think about these urban areas, the states that I just

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Speaker 3: mentioned Detroit in Michigan, Milwaukee and Wisconsin in Pennsylvania, and

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh in Pennsylvania. Just to put this in context to people,

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Speaker 3: the twenty electoral votes in Pennsylvania were won by Trump

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Speaker 3: by forty four two hundred and ninety two votes, which

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Speaker 3: is zero point seven two of a percent of margin.

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Speaker 3: In twenty sixteen, Biden won Pennsylvania according to the official record,

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Speaker 3: by eighty five hundred and fifty five votes. That's one

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Speaker 3: point eighty six. This is going to be a close state.

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Speaker 3: And so, as I said, the bottom line is, if

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Speaker 3: you think about that blue wall Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, well,

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Speaker 3: it's just easy, you know, to always be going there

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Speaker 3: because it's twenty electoral votes. That's more than Michigan's sixteen

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Speaker 3: and in Wisconsin's ten. It's the big prize and it's

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Speaker 3: just easy for them on a Friday to be like, hey,

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Speaker 3: we're on our way to the beach. Let's spring by Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 3: maybe Philly or so. That's why they're doing what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: It's a key constituency that they need and it's an

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Speaker 3: easy swing by logistically.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, switching gears a little bit sean, but

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Speaker 1: sticking on the same overarching theme of swing states and

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Speaker 1: key demographics and everything like that. I mean, probably the

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Speaker 1: last remaining huge question when it comes to the Republican

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Speaker 1: ticket is who's the other half that ticket going to be?

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Speaker 1: And you know, this is that time of the year

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Speaker 1: where politic goes like me and you love to talk

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Speaker 1: about the veepsteaks and all of that. Who should it

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Speaker 1: be and what kind of factors should go into that

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Speaker 1: decision for President Trump.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's funny you asked that. I did a

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Speaker 3: thing on my show the other day where I put

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Speaker 3: my bet into an envelope and I mailed it to

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Speaker 3: my producer in la and we will open that on

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Speaker 3: my show when he is to see if I'm right.

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Speaker 3: But I will tell you this. If I had to

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Speaker 3: give you a list right now, I would say it's

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Speaker 3: going to be it's probably Tom Cotton, jd Vance, Marco Rubio.

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Speaker 3: I still have a problem with Rubio and Florida. I

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Speaker 3: don't know. I hear that people are talking about ways

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Speaker 3: to get around this, but people have to remember that

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Speaker 3: Florida has thirty electoral votes. The constitution prohibits the same

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Speaker 3: the vice president and the president both getting them from

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Speaker 3: any given state, so it logistically doesn't make sense. There

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Speaker 3: are talks that potentially Rubio would resign and then move

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Speaker 3: out of state. Again, I think that's too complicated. I

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Speaker 3: think Trump is going to go someone that he feels

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Speaker 3: like he has a relationship with that understands the dynamic,

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Speaker 3: meaning they have to be the robin to his batman.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's totally right and to your point as well

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Speaker 1: as a Floridia myself, I couldn't agree with you more

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Speaker 1: strongly about Marc or Rubio. The text of the twelfth

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Speaker 1: Amendment is actually it's actually pretty clear on this one.

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Speaker 1: To be honest with you. They managed to get around

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Speaker 1: to it with Cheney in two thousand. But Cheney pretty big.

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Speaker 3: You know, obviously you know the law really well. And

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Speaker 3: the bottom line is they didn't get around it in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty, right, I mean Cheney just sort of knew

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Speaker 3: it and said, great, I'll move back to Wyoming. I

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Speaker 3: still own houses that But again, it's not just moving.

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Speaker 3: Remember the state that you moved to has to allow

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Speaker 3: you to become a voter quickly. Some states say that

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Speaker 3: you have to be there for months. So in the

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Speaker 3: case of Rubio, he would have to move back and

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Speaker 3: to somewhere and establish residency quick Again. I get it's possible,

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Speaker 3: but it's just one more dynamic and one more challenge.

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Speaker 3: In the case of Dick Cheney in two thousand, he

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Speaker 3: was obviously he'd represented Wyoming in the Congress. They still

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Speaker 3: had light land and property there. It made sense and

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Speaker 3: no one was going to challenge it. There's a I

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Speaker 3: mean would I would be very concerned about making sure

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Speaker 3: if you're going to make a bold move like that

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Speaker 3: with a Rubio or a Byron Donald's, that you had

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Speaker 3: that thing six ways to Sunday lockdown, because the last

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Speaker 3: thing you need is a challenge when it comes to

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Speaker 3: electoral college and the thirty electoral votes that Florida would

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Speaker 3: be clearly in the Trump column.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I strongly agree with you, Sean.

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Speaker 1: And for what it's worth, my own personal two cents

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Speaker 1: is I've been an outspoken advocate for JD. Vans on

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Speaker 1: those on those russ Belt blue Wall state grounds.

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Speaker 5: That kind of is basically my argument.

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Speaker 1: But in any event, I guess we'll see and hopefully

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Speaker 1: you're gonna, you know, open up an envelope with your

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Speaker 1: producer and hopefully you'll you'll be correct at the.

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Speaker 5: End of the day.

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Speaker 1: But Sean Spicer was a host of Seawan Spicer Show

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Speaker 1: right here on the first TV.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for joining us, Sean, as always, thank you for

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Speaker 5: having me.

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Speaker 1: Come up next, we'll talk with Todd Bensman, one of

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Speaker 1: the absolute best immigration reporters out there.

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Speaker 9: Camilo Montoya Galvez spoke to Homeland Security Secretary Alejandromiorcis, who

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Speaker 9: responded to the accusations of the administration encouraging migrants to

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Speaker 9: come to the US.

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Speaker 4: That is false if we take a look at migration,

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Speaker 4: not just at our southern border, but in context, the

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Speaker 1: Do you believe a word that? Secretary my Orcus says,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I do. We'll find out what

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Speaker 1: our guest thinks. So joining us now is the great

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Speaker 1: Todd Bensman Todd is a fellow at the Center for

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Speaker 1: Immigration Studies and also the author of Overrun, How Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden leaves the greatest border crisis in US history. Todd Bensman,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Good to be here.

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Speaker 5: Thank you. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Of course your work has been absolutely indispensable when it

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Speaker 1: comes to all things immigration and border security related for

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Speaker 1: a very very long time now, So always love your work.

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Speaker 1: So before we get into this very interesting and eye

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Speaker 1: opening piece, who wrote the New York Post, Why do

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Speaker 1: me just get your reaction to what we just heard

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Speaker 1: from Secretary of Majorkers. I mean, do you believe anything

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Speaker 1: he's saying there about encouraging legal migration?

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Speaker 8: Well, I believe the immigrants. I've interviewed thousands of them

655
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Speaker 8: now over the last three years all over Mexico and

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Speaker 8: Central America, literally thousands, And it doesn't matter what nationality

657
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Speaker 8: they are, or what country or where they're coming from

658
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Speaker 8: or anything. They always say the same thing that I

659
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Speaker 8: am coming now because they're letting us in. And that's it.

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Speaker 8: They're letting us in. They've never let us in like

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Speaker 8: this before. We sold everything we had, where beg borrowed,

662
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Speaker 8: stole the money, that was necessary to pay smugglers, and

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Speaker 8: we're going in. All our neighbors got in, all our

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Speaker 8: friends got in, all our relatives got in. So I'm

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Speaker 8: always going to default to the primary sources on this,

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Speaker 8: and that's the ones who are making the decisions to

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Speaker 8: spend the money to come, who said that they would

668
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Speaker 8: not have come had the border not been wide open,

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Speaker 8: had their odds of being let in, and to stay

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Speaker 8: pretty much forever forever, let's just say it that they

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Speaker 8: would have stayed home.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know your work is Elsie helped to

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Speaker 1: shanny bright spotlight on this. It's been a problem for time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Tod's been upon for about as long as

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Speaker 1: I've been following US politics. I mean, during the Trump administration,

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Speaker 1: I think we started to see a bit of a

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Speaker 1: crackdown when it comes to fraudulent assi les here. But

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Speaker 1: you certainly the situation right now under Secretary Majorcas and

679
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Speaker 1: President Biden is the worst that you or I have

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Speaker 1: probably ever seen, as probably the worst in this country's history.

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Speaker 1: But you know, you also wrote a fascinating piece of

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Speaker 1: The New York Post a little bit related. This really

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Speaker 1: got a lot of attention and well deserved attention in

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Speaker 1: social media. From what I saw, your piece of the

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Speaker 1: New York Post basically says that Bien officials are engaged

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Speaker 1: and potentially a cover up. They're essentially covering up an

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Speaker 1: attempted terror attack committed by illegal aliens here. You know,

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Speaker 1: why don't you give us some detail as to what

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Speaker 1: you found.

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Speaker 8: On May third, two Jordanian illegal immigrants got in a

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Speaker 8: big box truck, you know, one of those big like

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Speaker 8: Amazon size trucks that unmarked though said that they were

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Speaker 8: Amazon deliverymen when they went to the gate of Quantico

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Speaker 8: Marine Corps base also big FBI training facility there, very

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Speaker 8: symbolic as a terror target, and they were put into

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Speaker 8: secondary inspection because they didn't have IDs or anything. And

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Speaker 8: when they were in secondary inspection, they hit the gas

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Speaker 8: and tried to ram through and break bust through the

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Speaker 8: court on there to reach the little village of Quantico

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Speaker 8: just inside the gates where who knows what they were

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Speaker 8: going to do. It sure looked, I mean, on its own,

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Speaker 8: it's terrible enough. But one of those Jordanians crossed the

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Speaker 8: border illegally, came in from Mexico. We're not sure exactly when,

704
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Speaker 8: but not that long ago. And was waved through and

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Speaker 8: rubber stamped in like everybody else. And if this was

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Speaker 8: a terror attack, then that would make this the first

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Speaker 8: attempted terror attack by a border crossing illegal immigrant from

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Speaker 8: the Middle East came in accessed the target through the border.

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Speaker 8: The problem is that the the Biden administration has now

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Speaker 8: had almost a month of questioning what was this? Was

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Speaker 8: there a terror motive? That's the big question. Was there

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Speaker 8: a terror motive? Second big question is what was in

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Speaker 8: the truck? Was the truck itself a weapon? What were

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Speaker 8: they going to why were they trying to? Who does that?

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Speaker 8: Who tries to vehicle ram their way into a heavily

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Speaker 8: guarded military base if not a terrorist. So, you know,

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Speaker 8: there's a blackout on information coming from the Biden administration.

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Speaker 8: In my column in the New York Post, you know,

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Speaker 8: I'm left We're all left to just speculate at this point,

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Speaker 8: but and to conduct analytical assessments. And my analytical assessment

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Speaker 8: is that the way the administration is behaving is all

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Speaker 8: but confirmation that this was a terror attack, and that

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Speaker 8: they know it was, and that they can't deny it

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Speaker 8: because they know it to be true and they don't

725
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Speaker 8: want to be on the record in case whatever they

726
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Speaker 8: get found out lying or they know it is and

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Speaker 8: they don't want to say it because Donald Trump will

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Speaker 8: use that like a giant heavy sledgehammer at the very

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Speaker 8: next televised debate. And so the end result is that

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Speaker 8: nobody really knows for sure, but I believe it to

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Speaker 8: be true, and I'll just say that, and I would

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Speaker 8: invite the Washington Post and the New York Times to

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Speaker 8: all come out and fact check me to death on that. Please.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Todd, it's a wonderful invitation to the

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Speaker 1: Washington Post in the New York Times.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure you're going to find.

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Speaker 1: Many reporters tragically who are going to take you up

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Speaker 1: on that, although they really should, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: just a quick word about Quantico for those who maybe

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Speaker 1: you are less familiar. I mean, I've been to Quantico

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Speaker 1: as many Americans have. I was there to see one

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Speaker 1: of my law school buddies actually have his Marine Corps

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Speaker 1: graduation after he finished basics training. This was like six

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Speaker 1: years ago or so. It's my iconic American military facil.

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Speaker 1: So it really is exactly the kind of place where

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Speaker 1: you might have some miscreans and some lowblet breakers, people

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Speaker 1: who are frankly up to no good. It is an

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Speaker 1: obvious target for folks who are motivated by that sort

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Speaker 1: of thing. So, Todd, I guess you kind of answered

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Speaker 1: this question already. But I mean, nothing's going to happen here, right,

751
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Speaker 1: if we're being realistic, I mean, the BIME Instruation is

752
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Speaker 1: not going to do anything here. Are they basically just

753
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Speaker 1: hoping that people are going to forget about your story,

754
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Speaker 1: forget about this whole conversation. The whole thing is just

755
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Speaker 1: going to get swept under the rug. Is that basically?

756
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Speaker 1: Is that basically the legal and the political move.

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Speaker 8: Here, I believe So. I believe that they are well

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Speaker 8: aware that the regular legacy media is not interested in

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Speaker 8: this story at all. They've shown no interest. There was

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Speaker 8: a big White House press conference just a few days

761
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Speaker 8: ago and Fox News's Doocey was the only one who

762
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Speaker 8: asked about this, and you can just watch the expressions

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Speaker 8: on the faces of all the other report orders, the

764
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Speaker 8: disinterest that nobody followed up on him on his questions,

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Speaker 8: what do you say about this Quantico base thing? And

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Speaker 8: she was like, you know, that's a law enforcement matter,

767
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Speaker 8: so we're not going to say anything about that. Well,

768
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Speaker 8: how about if you he said, was this a failed

769
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Speaker 8: terror attack? And she wouldn't say no, she wouldn't say yes,

770
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Speaker 8: she wouldn't say anything, and nobody else followed her up

771
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Speaker 8: on it, not followed him up on that question, like

772
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Speaker 8: what since when would something like this happen at Quantico?

773
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Speaker 8: And the White House Press Corps not express absolutely no

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Speaker 8: interest except for one guy. So I do believe that

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Speaker 8: they're counting on the sort of complicity of silence on

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Speaker 8: this issue.

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Speaker 1: So you know, Chuck Schumer has recently resurrected his Senate

778
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Speaker 1: border bill after it went down in flames last time

779
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Speaker 1: they tried it here, and it's probably not going to

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Speaker 1: get a whole lot further this time. I mean, I'm

781
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: trying to look ahead here for those of us who

782
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Speaker 1: actually want the secure border, for those of us who,

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Speaker 1: you know, heaven forbid, actually desire to see a country

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Speaker 1: where Jordanian's Middle Eastern is not basically willing to get

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Speaker 1: to the gates of Quantico and attempt a terrorist attack.

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Speaker 1: Do we have any hope for the rest of this year, Todd?

787
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Speaker 1: Or is our only hope really that that Trump prevails

788
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Speaker 1: and then starts changing some policies come January twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 8: I don't know. Everybody always accuses me of depressing them

790
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Speaker 8: on that question, and you know, I can't deny it,

791
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Speaker 8: but I kind of am with the latter. I think

792
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Speaker 8: that nothing is going to change here at all until

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Speaker 8: after November. And that goes for the Biden administration too.

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Speaker 8: The administration has got Mexico doing it's dirty work down

795
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Speaker 8: there to slow some of the flow so that it

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Speaker 8: doesn't look as bad, at least in Texas. They've got

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Speaker 8: the numbers like from fourteen thousand a day to you know,

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Speaker 8: seven thousand a day, which seems to be under the

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Speaker 8: threshold of media interest. I think the only way that

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Speaker 8: any of this is going to change is if there's

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Speaker 8: a new occupant of the White House, because you know,

802
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Speaker 8: this administration has really made a decision that they are

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Speaker 8: not going to follow any immigration law, nor are they

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Speaker 8: going to use any of the readily available executive authorities

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Speaker 8: that Donald Trump used to shut the whole thing down,

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Speaker 8: Like you know, overnight, they opened up the spigot. They

807
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Speaker 8: they made it so that probably close to one hundred

808
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Speaker 8: percent of everybody who reaches the southern border is allowed

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Speaker 8: in and to stay in for years, if not forever.

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Speaker 8: That's simply unprecedented that you have that much of a

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Speaker 8: guarantee of entering and staying in this country. I mean

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Speaker 8: Majorcus himself recently said, yeah, about eighty five percent of

813
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Speaker 8: everybody who reaches the order more than he said, more

814
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Speaker 8: than eighty five percent of everybody who reaches the border.

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Speaker 8: Now you know we're stamping them in. That's unprecedented. I mean,

816
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Speaker 8: if I had those odds at the table games in Vegas, man,

817
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Speaker 8: I'd have my own TETs up out there looking, you know,

818
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Speaker 8: and I'll waiting for my turn to get at one

819
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Speaker 8: of those card games.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you and me both, brother, But look, Todd, fantastic

821
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Speaker 1: work as always. You really are one of the indispensable

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Speaker 1: journalists and researchers and investigative reporters out there when it

823
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Speaker 1: comes to this issue. Thank you for this article on

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Speaker 1: the Post, and thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 8: Thank you appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Coming up next, it's lighting the mood. Well, it's time

827
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Speaker 1: to lighten the mood. And here is something that I

828
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Speaker 1: know very much lightened my mood. You know, they say

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Speaker 1: that God has a sense of humor, right, They say

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Speaker 1: that man plans, but God will lasts. And every so

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Speaker 1: often you see a clip like this that really just

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Speaker 1: reassures you of that. I mean, you have people there

833
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Speaker 1: that are supporting this US recognized foreign terrorist organization, openly

834
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Speaker 1: clamoring for more jihadism, for more political Islam, for more

835
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Speaker 1: murderous barbaric medieval Islamist savagery, going ahead and burning the

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Speaker 1: flag of our Israeli allies, and you know what, they're

837
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Speaker 1: gonna get burned too. Honestly, personally, when I see this clip,

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Speaker 1: the only thing that I think of is I'm only

839
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Speaker 1: upset they think get burned even harder could have taken

840
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Speaker 1: a pretty big bright burned to the face. Maybe that

841
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: would have been some just come uppance for you filthy,

842
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: dirty terrorst supporting savages. In the meantime, like I said,

843
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta look for the little things, right,

844
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: God shows himself in very mysterious ways. We kind of

845
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: have to think maybe maybe maybe that's what's going on here.

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Speaker 1: That's our show, guys. Once again, Josh Hammer been filling

847
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: in for Jesse Kelly on I'm Right My show America

848
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: on Trial with Josh Hammer through the first available everywhere

849
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Speaker 1: tomorrow night, once again filling in for Jessic Kelly.