1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Okay. 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 2: One thing about me, guys and girls, is I very 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 2: rarely miss a home game, and in fact, in five 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 2: years on the Cardinals beat, I don't think I've ever 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 2: missed an entire home series at Bush Stadium before until 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 2: this weekend. 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: And what's my reward? Nothing casual, Just Yadia. 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 2: Armelina coming back to Saint Louis and being in the dugout. 9 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 2: So that's where I'm at. Tried to take a weekend vacation, 10 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 2: got rewarded with missing that. Welcome back to Cardinal territory. 11 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: Yes it is true. 12 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 2: You saw it yesterday and the Cardinals five to zero 13 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 2: win over the Chicago Cubs. YadA Amelina is back in 14 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 2: Saint Louis. He was invited by manager Allie Marble to 15 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: be in the dugout in uniform for Friday and Saturday's game. 16 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 2: YACHTI was in town for a signing event in Saint 17 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: Louis and reached out a couple months ago, letting John 18 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 2: Mozelav know that he was going to be in town. 19 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: The two bought to talking and Moe reached out to 20 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: Olie and said, hey, what do you think about having 21 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: YACHTI back and finds to be the dugout around the guys, 22 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: and Ollie Marmel said, absolutely, no brainer, bring back number four. 23 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: So they did. And again I wasn't there, but. 24 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: The pictures in the video looked awesome, and I just 25 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 2: I would imagine that having Yachti back after such a 26 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 2: prolonged and notable absence was a welcome time for everyone 27 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 2: in the organization, whether it's players, whether it's coaches, and 28 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: especially the fans. So really great to see Number four 29 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 2: take out the lineup card yesterday, do some work with 30 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: Poso pau Haz. 31 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: Just been around the guys. That does so much. 32 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: You all know what Yachti's impact is in this organization, 33 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 2: you don't need to tell you. But to have him 34 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 2: back in Saint Louis and to see him be more 35 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 2: involved with the team just really cool at a time 36 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 2: where I think we could all need it. You know, 37 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 2: not a lot of great vibes around the organization right now. 38 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: YACHTI certainly does that. Now let's talk about why this 39 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: was such a big deal. Okay, why did Ali Marmel 40 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 2: invite Yatti to be in the dugout? We know that 41 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: all he's under contracts through twenty twenty six, right, so 42 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 2: he's one year remaining on his deal, but it is natural. 43 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: It is a fair to speculate what any manager's position 44 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 2: is with the club when you know a new front 45 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: office is coming in. John Mozelak is stepping down in October. 46 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 2: We know this Heim Bloom will take over as soon 47 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: as the off season starts. I don't think there's an 48 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: exact date. There will be some sort of crossover, but 49 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: once the off season is officially here, it's Heim Bloom show. 50 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: What that means for Allie Marmal and his coaching. 51 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 2: Staff is fair to question, though I will say I 52 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: don't think the Cardinals have given any inclination that they're 53 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: going to make a manager change, and honestly, I don't 54 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: think they should. 55 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: But that's a story for another podcast episode. 56 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 2: But I think all he understands what he is inviting 57 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: in the speculation, the rumors, the storylines. By having Yachti 58 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 2: beyond his staff in the dugout, just even for just 59 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 2: a couple of games, we know what kind of perception 60 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: that could bring. 61 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: You add in the fact that Saturday's game. 62 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 2: Is a nationally televised game on Fox and Sunday is 63 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: Sunday Night based on ESPN There's going to be a 64 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 2: lot of national attention about this, but I thought it 65 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: said a lot about Ali's character and what he wants 66 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: to do for his clubhouse. The fact that he could 67 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 2: put all that aside, all the speculation, his own ego, 68 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: and bring in someone who has actively said he wants 69 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 2: to manage in baseball at some point in his career. 70 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 2: So when we talked to Ali about this. I talked 71 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 2: to him Thursday night. Here's I thought this quote was 72 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 2: super telling. I asked him, Hey, why I understand. I 73 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 2: think everyone understands why Yachti is here, but do you 74 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 2: understand what kind of speculation you're like the door that 75 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 2: you're opening here? And here's what he said. I'll read 76 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: the strip from the Athletic. Anytime you get the chance 77 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: to have someone like Yachti around your players, you take it. 78 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: It's a no brainer. The experience, the leadership, the presidency brings, 79 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: it impacts everyone. As soon as I heard he was 80 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: going to be in town, inviting him to sit next 81 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: to me was the right move. It's good for the players, 82 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 2: good for the staff, and honestly it's great for the 83 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 2: fans too. 84 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: I thought that was such a cool answer. All right. 85 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: Alli knows. 86 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: Alli Marmle knows exactly what the narrative is going to 87 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 2: be like. Could this be his replacement? Is he bringing 88 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 2: his replacement in on staff to sit next to him? 89 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: He doesn't care. He went out and talked about how 90 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: exciting and impactful it is to have Yachdi here. 91 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: He said, I really enjoyed my time with Yachti, both 92 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 2: as a coach and as a manager. 93 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to having him back in uniform. 94 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 2: There's a deep respect there, not just for how he 95 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: sees the game, but for the way he carries himself. 96 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 2: Even in just a short window, I know he can 97 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 2: leave a lasting impact on our players. He leads by 98 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: example and in his own powerful way. He shows these 99 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 2: young guys what's possible when you pour everything you have 100 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 2: into the game, that kind of presence, it stays with you. 101 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: And obviously, if you've watched Yatti play at all, which 102 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: all Cardinals fans have, you know how true that is. 103 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: And for given the influx. 104 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 2: Of youth on the roster currently and the lack of experience, 105 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 2: and this is no knock on any of those guys, 106 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 2: it's just the factor of the matter where they are 107 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 2: in their careers. Having someone like Yachty come in such 108 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: a He's a franchise icon, right, having his presence there 109 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 2: to show this next group of cardinals, Hey, this is 110 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: how we do it. It's exactly the right call for 111 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 2: everybody involved. So very cool to see number four back 112 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: in Saint Louis. I wish I could see that, but 113 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 2: I did see some from the local reporters, including John 114 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 2: DETNAMLB dot Com, that YACHTI is hoping to be around 115 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 2: the team a little bit more, maybe even when the 116 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 2: team goes and plays The Mammy mar In a couple 117 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 2: of weeks. 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No bushdag nium effects for Jordan Walker 147 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: with that, Homer good to see him coming around. And 148 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 2: we talked on the prior episode about playing time and 149 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 2: how Ali Marmal can navigate that and how it's not perfect, 150 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: but you know there's everyone is going to get enough 151 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 2: at bats where the Cardinals can make decisions about guys 152 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,799 Speaker 2: on their future. Jordan Walker seems to finally be figuring 153 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: things out at the plate. He has roughly seven weeks 154 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: to finish strong and then we'll go from there. But 155 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 2: a nice game from Jordan Walker. Yesterday when we were 156 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 2: down in La we got a chance to see the 157 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: Cardinals new bullpen, if you will, and the new big 158 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: three seems to be Kyle Lahy, Riley O'Brien and Jojo Romero. 159 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 2: The problem with this, as we know, is when you 160 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: have one lefty reliever in your bullpen like Jojo Romero, 161 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 2: it really impacts what kinds of lanes you can use 162 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 2: him in. Against the Dodgers, I thought this was the 163 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 2: perfect example. You have to save Jojo Romero for a 164 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 2: high leverage situation in the late innings. Okay, that's specific 165 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 2: to any team. For the Dodgers, you have to save 166 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: Jojo Romero for sho hey Otani in the later innings. 167 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 2: So Allie Marmel and Dusty Blake had to plan their 168 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: entire game plan strategy around it. 169 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: When Sho Hay was going to come. 170 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 2: Up and having Jojo available for that, it was not 171 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: saving him for the ninth. It was not saving him 172 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 2: for highest leverage. Well it kind of is, because Shoe 173 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 2: Otani is always highest leverage, but they specifically had to 174 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 2: save Jojo Romero for the Otani lane because after Otani 175 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 2: have Mookie Bets, who crushes you regardless. I know he's 176 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 2: having a down season offensively, but he's still Mookie Bets okay. 177 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: And then you have another lefty in Freddie Freeman. You 178 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: have to save Jojo Romero for that lane. So it's 179 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: allowed other players to step up. We'll talk with Riley 180 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: O'Brien first, who picked up his first save and Wednesday's win. 181 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: Riley O'Brien has really seemed to just have a night 182 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,679 Speaker 2: and day when you think about when he was first 183 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: pitched in twenty twenty four, it was at Dodger Stadium 184 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 2: and he got rocked, and then he went on the 185 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 2: il shortly after and he just didn't look comfortable. It 186 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 2: looked like he was pitching I don't want to say scared, 187 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 2: but just didn't trust his stuff. You fast forward to 188 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 2: his last appearance at Dodger Stadium. He was lights out. 189 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: That's a guy who was super convicted and what he 190 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 2: wants to do and what he believes he can be. 191 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 2: Will we see Riley O'Brien in safe situations yes, Will 192 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 2: we see Jojo Romero in safe situations? 193 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: Yes? This is what the Cardinals mean by closer by committee. 194 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: You're probably gonna get one of those two, maybe Kyle Lahy, 195 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 2: but we'll get to him later, just based on lane. 196 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: In a perfect world, you. 197 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:47,599 Speaker 2: Have Jojo Romero for the ninth every ninth, and you 198 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 2: can use him like a traditional closer like they did 199 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: to our pal Ryan Helsley. But because again there's only 200 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: one lefty, they have to save him for that lane, 201 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 2: which means other guys have to step up. And Riley 202 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 2: O'Brien's done a really nice job. We talked to him 203 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: on Wednesday after the game. We talked all three of 204 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 2: the relievers actually, and the common message between Jojo. 205 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: Riley and Kyle. 206 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 2: It's weird how like some players like you go by 207 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: their last name, Like I didn't like that. 208 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: I just referred to Kyle Lay as Kyle. 209 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 2: He's someone that you referred to as a last name anyway, 210 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: maybe that's a baseball thing. Maybe you guys understand what I'm 211 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 2: talking about. Who knows, or maybe you think I'm just crazy. 212 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 2: That's also true. But the common connection between those three 213 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: was the confidence they have in their abilities and they're like, yeah, 214 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: you know this is we can handle this. It's a 215 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 2: new role, it's higher leverage, more is at stake, but 216 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 2: we trust our stuff and you can see it. 217 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: On the mound. 218 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 2: Kyle Lay, I don't think his future is closer material, 219 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: and the Cardinals can use the next seven weeks of 220 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 2: the season to maybe jump start on who could be 221 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 2: their closer in twenty six. But when we talk to 222 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 2: Allie Marmel about this before Wednesday's game, the consensus was 223 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 2: that while Kyle Lay he has done an incredible job 224 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 2: as a high leverage bridge reliever, multi innings, versatile, can 225 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 2: go get right handed left handed hitters, the whole package, 226 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 2: his future is more looks to be more in line 227 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 2: with a potential starter. And this is something that the 228 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 2: Cardinals had talked about dating back to spring training. But 229 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: when you think about Kyle Lay, he's arsenal. He has 230 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,719 Speaker 2: a six pitch arsenal. He's not overly splitty. He can 231 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 2: again get the right handed batters out, he can get 232 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 2: the left handed batters out. And the biggest thing about Lay, 233 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: to use an Oli phrase, is he doesn't scare. 234 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: And it's true. He goes out there. 235 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 2: He cooked the nicest guy off the field, Seriously, all 236 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 2: three of them are just delights. But he gets on 237 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: the mound and he has this calm demeanor where he 238 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 2: just knows he's going to get the result that he wants. 239 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: And he weathered through that rough period in. 240 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 2: June midway through the season where he was getting hit 241 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 2: hard and there was a lot of contact, he wasn't 242 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 2: getting a lot of swing and miss, and overcame it 243 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 2: and it is better for it, And isn't that the 244 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: whole point of the season. 245 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: Wasn't that the whole goal was to have players come 246 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: in adjust to the major leagues, struggle rally, and be better. 247 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: That's exactly what Kyle Lay he's been doing. 248 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: So they will use him in high leverage to finish 249 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 2: the season because there just aren't a lot of other 250 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 2: options out there. But I think when we go into 251 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: the off season, we're looking at potent Kyle Lahy being 252 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 2: a starter or stretching out to be a starter. He 253 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 2: certainly has the makeup to do so. All in all, though, 254 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 2: it's a tough bullpen. I mean, you have one lefty 255 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 2: and seven right handed relievers who all pretty much have 256 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 2: the same stuff and all have a year or less 257 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: of service time. So there is going to be some 258 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: growing pains with this group. But I'm excited about it, 259 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 2: especially with those three in particular. I think Gowen and 260 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 2: Crissepo can still be a factor for them. Just got 261 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 2: to have a little bit better results. But it's so 262 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 2: early in his career. I think, you know, the ceiling 263 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 2: is very high, and I'd like to see what Ryan 264 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: Fernandez does. I think the game, his outing on Tuesday, 265 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 2: it just kind of sped up on him his first 266 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 2: time back since his lengthy time in Memphis. But I 267 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 2: still think Ryan Fernandez can be a factor as well 268 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 2: in this club. So that's the bullpen. That's where we're 269 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 2: at quick break as we hear from our friends at 270 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 2: Arena Club, and we'll get to whatever I plan next. 271 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 3: I don't know a j I'm on my phone right 272 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 3: now in Arena Club and I'm looking at the Emerald 273 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 3: slab packs and I see in the grail a Bobby 274 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 3: Wit Junior twenty twenty Bowman Chrome Prospect Auto Gold Refractor card. 275 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 4: Give me that, give me your phone. I'm gonna I'm 276 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 4: gonna get you. 277 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 3: Well, you gotta buy it to me. I don't have it. 278 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 3: You know you have to get a slab pack. 279 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 4: No, I don't have that, and give me your slab pack. 280 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 4: That card's worth you bow you slab pack, Scott, so 281 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 4: I can get the Bobby with Junior Gold Refractor twenty 282 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 4: twenty Bowman Chrome Auto. 283 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: Because that sounds awesome and it's worth a lot. It's 284 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: worth a lot. 285 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 4: He's a stud, he's not going down. Get a grill. 286 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: Get a grill. 287 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 4: I want a gril, Scott, give me the holy grill. 288 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 4: You do it. 289 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 3: To do that, you must get yourself a slab pack 290 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 3: in Arena Club or if you want to get it 291 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 3: for a friend, you can do that too. And right 292 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 3: now you can get twenty percent off your first slab 293 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 3: pack or your first card purchase for going on there. 294 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 3: And you're just like, hey, I want a specific card. 295 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 3: I find it there. I want to grab it for 296 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 3: my showroom. Arena Club dot com slash foul and use 297 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 3: the code fo U l. 298 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 2: Here's this next segment. I have planned who's your breakout 299 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 2: player the rest of the season. Like we said, we 300 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 2: have seven eight weeks left of twenty twenty five. That's crazy, 301 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 2: and it's going to be all about the future. The 302 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 2: progative going forward is twenty twenty six and beyond. So 303 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 2: who is the player that you are looking at to 304 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 2: take steps forward that you think is going to be 305 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 2: instrumental in the future of this club. For me, it's 306 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 2: Victor Scott the second and it's easy. 307 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: There are certain. 308 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 2: Players that when you see how they show up to 309 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 2: the clubhouse every day and the amount of work they 310 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 2: put in and how intentional they are about that work, 311 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 2: you understand why the organization is so what's the word 312 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 2: I'm looking for, optimistic or so convicted? That's what I'm 313 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 2: looking for. You'll understand why the organization is so convicted 314 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 2: in this player's future. I know, offensively, it has not 315 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 2: been great for Victor Scott, and he'll be the first 316 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 2: to tell you that. You'll be the first to say, hey, 317 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 2: I have to hit a little bit more consistently because 318 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 2: he is such a weapon. Though once he gets on base, 319 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 2: it's easy for him to extend another ninety one hundred 320 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 2: and twenty feet. I like what you said a couple 321 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 2: of weeks ago when he said, essentially, if I walk, 322 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: I can turn that into a double. 323 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: I just have to go on base more. And that's true. 324 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: He is so fast, he's so speedy, he's such a 325 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: threat on the base paths. 326 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 2: As long as he's getting on base, it doesn't matter 327 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: how that's an immediate impact in your lineup. He just 328 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 2: has to do it more consistently. I understand that there 329 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 2: is some clamor because he hasn't been able to really 330 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 2: string together consistent offense yet keyword. Yet that's why the 331 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 2: Cardinals have to keep playing him one. He's the only 332 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 2: true center fielder. Okay, yeah, Garret Hampson can do it, 333 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 2: Lars Newbar can do it, but Victor Scott is the 334 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 2: center fielder of the future. So he should be out 335 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 2: there every day. And the only way he's going to 336 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 2: get better offensively, because I think the defense is I mean, 337 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 2: we all know what kind of defender Victor Scott. The 338 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 2: second is all right, he has such such a high ceiling, 339 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 2: and to be honest, I don't even think he's touched 340 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 2: it yet. I think he's on his way, But I 341 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 2: think the potential is so much higher offensively when you 342 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 2: get there for him. That's by keeping him in the lineup, 343 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 2: you're expediting that process. There are going to be growing pains. 344 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: We saw this. We just talked about this with Leahy. 345 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 2: We've seen growing pains across the board, whether it was Burlison, 346 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 2: Herrera like, take your pick of whatever. Cardinal is performing 347 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 2: well right now, they have growing pains too. So I'm 348 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 2: watching Victor Scott the second for the rest of the 349 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 2: season because I believe that he can figure this out offensively, 350 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 2: he can get on base a little bit more consistently, 351 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 2: and when he does that, he will be a true 352 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 2: impact player on both sides of the ball. That's why 353 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 2: Allie Marble has to keep Victor in the lineup every day. 354 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 2: I know that we've been talking about the puzzle of 355 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 2: the roster, how people are going to fit in, well, 356 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 2: how can he get at bats for Gorman and Walker 357 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 2: and Burlison and new Bar. 358 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. 359 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 2: And the common I think fan perspective is, well, Victor 360 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: Scott's slumping, so take him out of the lineup. That's 361 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 2: the worst thing, the worst thing the Cardinals can do. 362 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 2: He needs to play every day because he's going to 363 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 2: be an everyday player, and the organization is so strongly 364 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 2: Trump believes so strongly that he is going to figure 365 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 2: it out on both sides of the ball. The only 366 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 2: way he does that is by playing every day. So 367 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 2: Victor Scott the second is my breakout player the rest 368 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: of the year. Drop me yours, because I think there 369 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 2: are several I mean, you could say the same about 370 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: Lars Nuwbarr, who's future Maybe this is dramatic, might hinge 371 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 2: on the next two months of the season. The Cardinals, 372 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 2: we know already have so many corner outfielders, and Lars 373 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 2: is athletic enough to play you know, all three spots, 374 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 2: but he profiles much better as a left or right fielder. 375 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 2: Can he stay healthy that was his big evaluation, and 376 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 2: knock on Wood to an extent mostly he has one 377 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 2: time on the injury list, is really I mean, I 378 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 2: think the Cardinals will take that right again. Can Jordan 379 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 2: Walker figure out how to hit the ball consistently and 380 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 2: be an impact player? 381 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: What can Nolan Gorman do with his sample size? 382 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 2: We know that Alec Gurlison is going to stay in 383 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 2: the lineup every day, and he should, He's earned it. 384 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 2: What can I von Horrera do in left field? What 385 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 2: can von Horrera do to finish the season healthy? These 386 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 2: are all things I'm looking at. But Victor Scott the 387 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 2: second that's my breakout player. I'm really excited to see 388 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 2: what his future looks like, because again, I don't even 389 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 2: think he's touched his ceiling. 390 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: Don't forget you, guys. 391 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 2: You can visit the Cardinal Territory Shop for our first 392 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 2: look at new merchandise. Once we get to five thousand subscribers, 393 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 2: we will be doing a giveaway, but nothing else for 394 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: me about the Cubs series. Will break down something well, 395 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 2: have something for you tomorrow night. But it is my 396 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 2: best friend's bachelorette party. I'm literally here right now. Look 397 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 2: so one my ability to rally undefeated. Two, I'm gonna 398 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 2: enjoy my time with her because that's the whole reason 399 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 2: I took this time off. 400 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: Anyway, So we'll be back at. 401 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 2: Some point Sunday, traveling back to Saint Louis for the 402 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: Rocky Series. 403 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: We'll never miss a home series again. Or maybe maybe 404 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: this is a new thing. 405 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 2: Maybe the more I leave, the more franchise icons come back. 406 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 2: Think about it, think about it all right. Thanks always 407 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 2: for watching this Saturday Saturday edition of Cardinals Territory. We'll 408 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 2: recap the Cup series with you tomorrow night at some point. 409 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 2: Just let me have this weekend, you guys. I'm kind 410 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 2: of all over the place, if you couldn't tell. Bernie 411 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 2: and I hope way back with you on Sunday. And 412 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 2: then we have some really fun guests lined up for 413 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 2: next week and I'm excited to share that all with 414 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 2: you guys very soon. 415 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: All right, have a great weekend. See ya.