WEBVTT - #313 Packers Unscripted: Winding down 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:20.759 Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:23.920 I am Mike Spofford and he is Wes Hodkowitz. We're 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:27.000 coming to you here from our studios at lambeau Field 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:30.080 and West. Shortly after we turn off the cameras here 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:32.519 recording this show, we are headed to the airport to 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:35.919 catch that flight to Kansas City the Packers preseason finale 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:40.360 Thursday night from Arrowhead Stadium against the Chiefs. A lot 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:42.760 of stuff kind of going on heading into this one. 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:44.760 Where do you want to start? Well, I think the 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:46.520 biggest thing is going to be some of these guys 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:48.680 who are going to potentially have a chance to play 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:52.000 in this game. When you look at Trevor Davis, uh, 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:54.800 certainly a guy that I think you his resume as 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:57.400 a special team er speaks for itself. I think that 0:00:57.440 --> 0:00:59.760 has sort of been one of the underlying sort of 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:01.920 things that's been talked about this week. Yes, he's missed 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:03.840 most of if not all, of training camp here with 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:08.039 this hamstring injury, but he's put on two years of 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:10.240 film now. At this point, he was third in the 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:13.600 NFL in punt return average. So you know, you and 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:16.120 I we both neither of us know how this whole 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:18.160 thing is going to shake out on Saturday afternoon. But 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:20.959 I just think when you look at Davis in particular, well, 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:22.759 we'll see how much he does. You know, it sounded 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:25.080 like the emphasis for him might be special teams over 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:28.679 offense coming back from the hamstring, but uh, you know 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:32.000 what he offers as a returner, as a gunner, and 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:33.600 the different things he can do with his speed. And 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:35.840 then also, you know, a guy like Devonte Mays too, 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:39.280 who was on the active roster last season, but you 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:42.960 know he had a couple fumble issues there, comes back 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:44.839 this year. It looked like with how this training camp 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:46.280 was gonna work out, was in line to get a 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:49.160 lot of opportunities. He ends up injuring his hamstring in 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:51.280 the first week of camp and then he ends up 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:53.240 spending the next three and a half, you know, injured. 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:54.920 So I think you look at those two young guys, 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:56.240 you know, potentially being able to get some work in 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:57.720 this game could be really big for them as they 0:01:57.720 --> 0:01:59.920 make that final roster push. Yeah, you never know, as 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:01.800 you said, how it's going to shake out when it 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:04.760 comes to the final roster decisions on Saturday. But boy, 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:07.320 anytime you're a young player and you only get one 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:11.240 preseason game because of injury or whatever other circumstance to 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:13.840 make that impression before those decisions and may that. That's 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:15.760 a tough spot to be in, and it's a tough 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:18.160 spot for both Davis and for me Is. I'll say 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:21.480 this about Davis. We were reminded this week, um by 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:24.640 the coaching staff, don't forget that Trevor Davis was also 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:26.520 a pretty darn good gunner. I know a lot of 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:29.120 attention went to Jeff Janis as far as that role 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:32.440 of gunner on the punt coverage team, but Trevor Davis 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:35.600 had four tackles uh as a as a coverage man 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.680 at gunner. So that's another element of special teams that 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:41.919 comes into play. And then, you know, let's be honest 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:45.160 West Throughout the preseason, there have been ball security issues 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:48.360 on returns for the Packers, both punts and kickoffs. We've 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:51.120 seen the ball on the ground here and there. Nobody 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:54.880 has stepped up to, you know, really give the coaches 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:59.200 any reason to to not give Trevor Davis this opportunity 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:01.560 to say, Okay, the job is still yours. So let's 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:03.800 go out in Kansas City and earn it. And then 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.960 when it comes to DeVante May's, you said it, the 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:09.680 opportunity that was missed for him in this training camp 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:12.280 when you look at the injury to Aaron Jones that 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:14.600 kept him out for a while. Jamal Williams has had, 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:16.960 you know, some nix and bruises here and there, other 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:19.960 guys being brought in somewhat at the last minute in 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:22.720 training camp to play the running back position. This would 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:25.360 have been a huge opportunity to did for DeVante May's 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:29.960 to really put that uh um, that rookie season behind him. 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:31.839 He had those couple of fumbles when he first got 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:35.320 his opportunity. We know about all of that, so but 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:36.920 that really is what he has to do now. He 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:38.960 has to put it behind him. Whatever chance he gets 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:41.920 in Kansas City, he's got to maximize. Yeah, absolutely, Mike, 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.560 and you touched on this early in camp too, before 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:47.040 he had the hamstring injury. The intriguing thing about him 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:49.920 is he does bring something else to the party. As 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:52.640 our colleague Larry mccarren likes to say that the other 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:54.920 running backs don't. And it's not to say they can't 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:57.760 be power running backs, but not everybody's built like May's 0:03:57.800 --> 0:04:00.200 a you know, five little over five ten to earn 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:03.720 thirty pounds, he's a he's a bull when he gets going. 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:06.640 I think he said high school by the way, exactly right, 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:09.720 and he showed that at Utah State. It's the short 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:11.880 time he had there when he wasn't injured. I think 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:16.160 really showed what he could potentially do as a downhole runner. Again, 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:18.480 he's coming off that hamstring. You and I both know 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:21.760 the most difficult injuries, in my estimation, other than just 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:25.160 a pain threshold to come back from our soft muscle injuries, 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:28.159 particularly with the lower body, because it's not like a 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:30.120 broken bone. You can't just say Okay, it's gonna heal 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.960 in six weeks and it's healed. Everything is different with 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.080 those things. None of none of those injuries are the same. 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.520 You don't know what the tweak was like, what the 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:40.479 tear was like. So it's all about feel and being 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:43.560 on a timetable. So that's the one in particular. I 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:45.960 don't know how much we're gonna see him against Kansas City, 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.240 but if DeVante Mays does suit up and he does 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:50.719 get some reps in that game, really important to show 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:52.440 what he can do because we do know that Aaron 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:54.839 Jones is gonna miss those first two games, and also 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:57.120 you had, you know, the other two running backs there 0:04:57.120 --> 0:05:00.839 in Montgomery and Williams, but you really like to have 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:04.000 that number three guy available, So could Davante May's solidify 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:06.400 himself as that. We'll see what happens. 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Okay, we know there are a 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:41.240 lot of roster spots here at stake in this final 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:43.920 game West, but the other thing I'm looking at two 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:49.000 is it's a combination of roster spot but also depth 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:52.880 chart position. When you're looking at where this roster, where 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:54.960 the depth chart is going to be heading into Week 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:57.440 one against the Bears, A couple of positions jump out 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:00.120 to me. One is wide receiver. Obviously Trevor Day this 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.720 is in that mix. But you look at wide receiver, 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:05.560 you have Adams and Cobb and Allison. We know that's 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:08.240 the first three, But who's number four for the game 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:10.520 against the Bears. Jake Kumaroles had a heck of a camp, 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:13.000 but he's injured right now. We don't know necessarily the 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.120 severity of that. How long he's going to be out. 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:19.200 Jamon Moore had a nice game against the Raiders. Does 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:21.600 he step up and do it again as we've talked 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:25.000 about throughout the preseason, maybe he seizes that spot as 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:28.200 the number four guy. Valdes Scantling, e q st Brown, 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:30.720 those guys obviously have had their moments along the way 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:34.880 as well. What do you think right now, any I 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:37.080 don't want to say prediction, but any thoughts on just 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:40.200 a worth things stand at receiver, Well, it's intriguing to me, Mike, 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:43.080 because of how this shapes up last week. We know 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.600 that Davante Adams and Randall Cobb didn't play, so it 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:46.919 end up being a lot of what you and I 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.839 talked about going into that game. With Kumarroll also being injured, 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:52.440 Trevor Davis not suiting up, that meant a lot of 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:55.279 those rookie receivers. And I thought Jamon Moore was a 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:57.760 young man who really took advantage of that. And you know, 0:06:57.960 --> 0:06:59.760 and I was talking to him about that this week 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:02.359 and after the game as well, and and Larry McCarn 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:04.279 even mentioned him when we did our three Things video 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:08.080 after the final practice on Monday. It just looks like 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:10.520 a different guy. And it's amazing because it's only five 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:13.240 or six days. And I think with training camp in 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.600 the preseason, people tend to get so high and low 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:18.240 on guys, and nothing is absolute. You and I have 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:20.680 covered this league long enough to know that nothing is 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:24.080 absolute in terms of young football players. They're gonna have 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:27.040 their good days, they're gonna have their bad days. I'm 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.400 sure Jamon Moore doesn't want to go into an NFL 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:32.120 training camp as a rookie and have what happened happened 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:34.280 to him in the first two or three weeks. But 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:36.600 if you're a coach, if you're a scout. I want 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:38.360 to see what's happened with him. I want to see 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:41.200 this trajectory. I want to see this progression because he's 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:42.720 a guy that I think over the last week and 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:44.320 a half you've seen him get better. He didn't just 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:47.120 have those four catches for sixty one yards or whatever 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.120 it was against the Raiders. He came back and I 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:51.480 felt had a pretty darn good practice on Monday, had 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:55.240 press it's so much about stacking success and he mentioned 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:57.440 it too. I mean, he needs to get to a 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:59.720 point where he can get the coaches and quarterbacks to 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:03.120 truck him in for whatever he did against the Raiders, 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:04.920 and he was happy with it for the most part. 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.840 He knows he has to go and duplicate that again 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:10.360 against Kansas City in his bid to make the roster. Well. 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:13.520 We heard from Aaron Rodgers last week talking about a 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:15.840 guy like Jamon Moore that sometimes all it takes for 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:18.320 a young receiver is to make that one big play. 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:20.400 That play he made down the sideline in the fourth 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.400 quarter where he took a pretty big wallp a hit 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:27.640 that was penalized. Questionable call, that's a discussion for another day, 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:29.560 but he took a pretty big hit and he hung 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.760 onto that ball. Maybe that's the play. Maybe that's when 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.240 you talk about him looking like a different guy. The 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:38.079 deep ball he caught in Monday's practice inside the Don 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:42.120 Hudson Center from Deshaun Kaiser, throw was throw, was on target, 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:45.199 coverage wasn't bad. He he stuck his arms out there, 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:48.199 right in stride. He brought it in. Everything looked smooth. 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:50.960 Nothing nothing like a bobble or like, oh that he 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:53.760 was nervous about it or anything. Maybe the play down 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.120 the sideline in Oakland was the one do you as 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:57.800 a child, did you ever play that game with your 0:08:57.840 --> 0:08:59.840 dad or maybe a friend on the playground where it's like, 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:01.959 as the quarterback once the receiver and he goes out 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:04.200 for maybe five yards, you complete it, then you go 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:06.200 out for ten yards in twenty. You keep doing, you 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:09.000 keep going back. Jamond Moore's game kind of reminded me 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.400 of that against Oakland, where he had two pretty simple 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:14.560 crossers across the middle. I thought that was a key 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:17.520 building block. Then he had that one play. I don't 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:18.760 know if it was kind of a post route. I'm 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:20.160 trying to remember exactly off the top of my head, 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:21.960 but it was. It was second and fifteen. It was 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.160 for sixteen yards. You remember that he came across the middle. 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:26.400 He didn't have the thread of the safety over the 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:27.880 top of him, but it was a bang bang play 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:29.760 that he needs to catch and run to make it happen. 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:32.720 He accomplished that. Then he finished it off with that 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.720 really solid catch along the sidelines. Took a step on 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:37.760 every play and you could see that confidence build. He 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:39.679 said he just needed to get his mojo back, So 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:41.959 I think going into this game he's done that. I 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:45.440 think Marquess Velde Scantling has been fairly consistent, um you know, 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:48.439 over the stretch of this camp, and Econemius st Brown 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.400 also as a slot receiver for he guy his size, 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:54.360 I think has been really showcased his talent as well. 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:56.200 So all three of those guys going in this game. 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:57.640 It's down to the wires. So I don't know how 0:09:57.679 --> 0:09:59.800 it's going to shuffle out with the receivers, but for 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:01.720 the first time really on my time on the beat, 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:03.400 I think it's as wide open as ever with you know, 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:06.400 who could potentially be those number four or five, six, 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:09.200 maybe even seven receivers on the roster and another position 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:11.240 I'll just mention before we do a little bit more 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:13.559 sponsored business in the same vein. In terms of the 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:18.160 depth chart status is outside linebacker. We have Nick Perry, 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:20.800 Clay Matthews, and Reggie Gilbert. We know that those are 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:22.960 the top three. Who's going to be the number four 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:25.840 heading into the Bears game? Will Kyler Factral step up 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:28.840 and take it? Chris Odom, Kendall, Donnerson one of those guys. 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:30.800 We don't know how this is how this is going 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:33.320 to shake out, but this preseason finale in Kansas City 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:36.559 will matter in that respect totally. And Mike Petton when 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:38.679 he was talking to the media on Tuesday to very 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:42.160 complimentary Vince Bagel and something, I'm sorry, yeah, no, I 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:44.920 know what he's done in practice, and he said, you know, 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:46.560 there's still some things they're waiting to see in games. 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:48.760 But there was a particular blitz technique that he said 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:52.040 everybody on the outside linebacker crew has been struggling with 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:54.800 and he perfected it. He did it perfectly. So we'll 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:56.439 see if those things can transfer over now and do 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:58.880 a game setting. Yeah, all right, Well, another round of 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:01.480 sponsor business here us at home or here in the stands. 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:03.640 We all know that Green Bay fans give it their all, 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:05.560 and that takes a lot of energy. So grab a 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:08.760 warm bowl of Campbell's Chunky Soup. It's meaty goodness fuels 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:11.720 the greatness of Packers. Fans everywhere tried the delicious classic 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:14.840 chicken noodle soup. Just visit your local supermarket and ask 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:18.320 for Campbell's Chunky Soup. Official sup partner of the Green 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:22.040 Bay Packers. Okay, So the Packers will get back on 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:24.400 the plane somewhere in the middle of the night after 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:28.160 Thursday night's game, and then it's roster cut time. The 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:31.520 deadline is three o'clock Central Time on Saturday. I believe 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.160 the roster has to be cut down to fifty three. 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:37.439 As we've talked about, I've always felt, as much as 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:40.160 I kind of get an idea, maybe you know those 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.040 last few guys who's gonna make it and who's not. 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:44.840 I've learned enough over the years that there's so much 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:47.000 that goes into these decisions that they can be very 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:50.880 difficult to predict. But let's just in a very general sense, 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:54.960 give the fans uh some idea of what these different 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:58.200 factors are, these different discussions that go on behind the scenes, 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:00.800 because one of them is when you're trying to look 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.720 at your fifty three plus your ten man practice squad. 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:06.760 It's trying to figure out, well, if we cut this 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.440 guy because we want him on the practice squad, is 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:12.920 is there enough preseason film out there that maybe another 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:14.800 team is going to claim him that they're gonna want 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.440 him because they have a need at that position. I mean, 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:19.960 you know they're there are room the personnel rooms, there 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:22.960 are boards with all these teams and their depth charts, 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.520 and they're studying all this stuff to figure it out. 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:27.920 It's not a simple process. It's not at all. And 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:30.880 have I mentioned the last five minutes how much I 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:33.800 like listening to Mike pett and talk. I mean, he 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:37.320 I thought was exemplary on Tuesday because he was asked 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:41.840 about building a roster in what you need an outside linebacker, 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:44.760 what you need at safety or defensive back in today's NFL, 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:48.120 and he used his experience as a head coach with 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:51.400 Cleveland and that you know, as a defensive minded coach, 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:54.400 he was always somewhat selfish in terms of well I 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:56.960 want this player and that player and this guy, without 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.520 thinking of the big picture, without thinking, okay, who does 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:03.000 wrongs need? For example, on special teams. Now, how does 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:05.240 a guy's skill set not only apply to being a 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:08.720 backup maybe outside boundary cornerback, but also as a gunner, 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:11.040 or as a jammer on on a punt unit, or 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:14.120 and the kickoff coverage. Those are all factors you have 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:17.600 to consider during this thing. And it is the least 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.560 enviable position I think for a coach to be in, 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:24.760 because or even you know Brian goodkuns, because you have 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:26.560 a lot of guys. You spend four or five months 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:28.920 getting to know these guys, getting to know their tendencies 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:32.480 and in defined guys you really like, and sometimes it 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:34.200 just works out that one or two of them are 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:36.920 going to go play elsewhere. And as much as that hurts, 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:40.040 as I wrote on Insider Inbox last week, I think 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:42.000 you want to see that too, because, as Mike McCarthy 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.280 alluded to this week, you don't want those decisions to 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.360 be easy. You don't want it to be that it's 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:49.200 just Okay, well we got fifty three, and well nobody 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:50.960 else wants the other ten. They'll come back on our 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.320 practice squad. You want to be in a position that 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:55.000 these guys have made it competitive. And I think in 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:59.720 a lot of these positions mike receiver, tight end, outside back, 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:03.800 or defensive back, cornerback. They're gonna have some really tough 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.360 calls to make. Yeah, And Brian Goodacun said the other 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:10.040 day he believes that there are more than fifty three 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.840 viable NFL players in this training camp for the Packers. 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.760 I think the Packers fully expect or at least or 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.520 at least would not be shocked if a couple of 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:21.840 the guys that they cut get claimed by other teams. Now, 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:24.880 the flip side of that, with the Packers being seven 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:27.440 and nine a year ago, they are a little higher 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:30.040 in the claim order, the waiver claim order if the 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.480 Packers see somebody else out there that they think would 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:36.000 be an upgrade over what they have in house. So 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:39.040 to speak. The Packers normally, when you're a playoff team, 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.360 you know you're you're in the waiver claim order down 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:44.000 there at eight or thirty. If you make it to 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:46.160 the conference championship game, as the Packers have done a 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:49.840 couple of times this year their fourteen, and so that 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.400 changes the equation as well in terms of, well, who's 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.320 going to be available. We're going to have a shot 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.440 at some of those players before these other teams that 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:00.760 made the playoffs last year. So that's another um, you know, 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:04.480 variable that that gets thrown into these discussions that they're 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:06.720 going to have leading up to three o'clock on Saturday. 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:08.960 And it's the NFL's version of the Rule five draft. 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:10.800 Is the way I've always looked at. I have to 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.600 use a Major League Baseball analogy there and that, Yeah, 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.640 you can claim a guy, and but if you're claiming 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:18.400 a guy, that means he was underneath four years in 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.320 the NFL and he's gonna have to learn a new 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.080 defense in addition to being a young player. It's sometimes 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.200 difficult to do that. But there are gems out there. 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.200 I think of, you know, Jared Bush back in two 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:29.520 thousand and six. I think John Coon John was another 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:33.000 one of them. Pepper was was a waiver claim ended 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.080 up being a starting safety on a Super Bowl. So 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:37.360 you never know which way that that wind is going 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.800 to blow. But no matter what happens, uh, you know, 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:42.200 I think Brian Goodkin is going through this process now 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.120 is the first time being the guy doing the final 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.880 check marks on all these papers. It's it's gonna be 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:49.280 very interesting and I'm sure gonna be a tough few 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:51.280 days for the Packers trying to make those decisions. Yeah, 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:53.240 and just to clarify for the fans as well, you 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:56.520 claim a player on waivers, you are putting him on 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:58.520 your fifty three. That's part of the rules. You don't 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:01.920 get to claim somebody that that another team has cut 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:04.080 and then put him on the practice squad. That player 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:07.160 has to clear waivers. Well, it's not really twenty four hours, 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:09.440 I guess in this particular instance, it's less than that, 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:12.800 but the waiver period, the player has to clear waivers 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:16.560 and not be claimed by anybody, including your the players. 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.480 You cut yourself before you can start building that ten 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:21.800 player practice squad. So that's part of the process that 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.960 will happen into Saturday evening and into Sunday as the 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:29.240 practice squad contracts are signed. But um one roster decision 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:32.960 that in essence has already been made west Um at 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:37.840 the quarterback position is the Packers traded Brett Huntley to 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:41.320 the Seattle Seahawks, So Deshaun Kaiser is the number two 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:43.960 quarterback on this team, I guess from a roster perspective. Now, 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.720 the question is does Tim Boyle make the roster as 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.840 a number three quarterback or will the Packers release him 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:52.520 and perhaps hope he cleared that he clears waivers and 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:54.320 they can sign him with the practice squad. We'll see 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:58.600 what happens there. We'll see how Boil plays in Kansas City. Um, 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:02.240 but a move here not necessarily a surprising movie. You No, 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:04.560 you just never know the timing of when exactly these 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:06.639 things are going to happen. But it's a sign the 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:09.440 Packers feel comfortable where they are with the Shaun Kaiser 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:12.159 and the progress that he's made that he can be 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.520 their number two quarterback for twenty Yeah. And I mean 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:16.360 the thing you gotta remember with Kaiser is one, he's 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:19.399 twenty two years old. Um. Certainly has the pedigree. I think, 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:21.520 going back to those comments that Mike McCarthy and Brian 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:24.400 Goodkin's maid during the offseason program, that if he would 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:25.879 have came out in this year's draft, he would have 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:28.920 been right in the conversation with those other five quarterbacks 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:30.600 that were all taken in the top ten. They feel 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:33.639 that highly about his talent, in his ability, and I 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:35.320 think he's flashed that. I think you've seen him make 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:36.960 some of those throws you want to see out of 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:40.520 a starting quarterback in the NFL and and you can't 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:42.760 coach his size. I think he has really good speed 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:44.960 and athleticism for the position, and he has really good 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:48.560 arm strength. That's a great building block in terms of 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.520 developing a young quarterback. And I think it's going to 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:53.760 be important too. It is I wrote an insider inbox 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:57.479 here for this upcoming edition. This gives them now an 0:17:57.480 --> 0:17:59.760 opportunity for Kaiser to get some playing time in this 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:01.879 game against Kansas City, get one more shot at it, 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:05.159 because you're hoping with everything works out, Aaron Rodgers will 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.399 take every single snap the rest of the season, but 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:09.640 also to get Tim Boil some reps in this game 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.000 because he didn't get in there against the Raiders. So 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:13.800 I think there's a pretty good chance they'll be able 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:17.080