1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford and he is Wes Hodkowitz. We're 3 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: coming to you here from our studios at lambeau Field 4 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: and West. Shortly after we turn off the cameras here 5 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: recording this show, we are headed to the airport to 6 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 1: catch that flight to Kansas City the Packers preseason finale 7 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: Thursday night from Arrowhead Stadium against the Chiefs. A lot 8 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: of stuff kind of going on heading into this one. 9 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: Where do you want to start? Well, I think the 10 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: biggest thing is going to be some of these guys 11 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: who are going to potentially have a chance to play 12 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: in this game. When you look at Trevor Davis, uh, 13 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: certainly a guy that I think you his resume as 14 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: a special team er speaks for itself. I think that 15 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: has sort of been one of the underlying sort of 16 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: things that's been talked about this week. Yes, he's missed 17 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: most of if not all, of training camp here with 18 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: this hamstring injury, but he's put on two years of 19 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: film now. At this point, he was third in the 20 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: NFL in punt return average. So you know, you and 21 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: I we both neither of us know how this whole 22 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: thing is going to shake out on Saturday afternoon. But 23 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: I just think when you look at Davis in particular, well, 24 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 1: we'll see how much he does. You know, it sounded 25 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: like the emphasis for him might be special teams over 26 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: offense coming back from the hamstring, but uh, you know 27 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: what he offers as a returner, as a gunner, and 28 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: the different things he can do with his speed. And 29 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: then also, you know, a guy like Devonte Mays too, 30 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: who was on the active roster last season, but you 31 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: know he had a couple fumble issues there, comes back 32 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 1: this year. It looked like with how this training camp 33 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: was gonna work out, was in line to get a 34 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: lot of opportunities. He ends up injuring his hamstring in 35 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: the first week of camp and then he ends up 36 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: spending the next three and a half, you know, injured. 37 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: So I think you look at those two young guys, 38 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: you know, potentially being able to get some work in 39 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: this game could be really big for them as they 40 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: make that final roster push. Yeah, you never know, as 41 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: you said, how it's going to shake out when it 42 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: comes to the final roster decisions on Saturday. But boy, 43 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: anytime you're a young player and you only get one 44 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: preseason game because of injury or whatever other circumstance to 45 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: make that impression before those decisions and may that. That's 46 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: a tough spot to be in, and it's a tough 47 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: spot for both Davis and for me Is. I'll say 48 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: this about Davis. We were reminded this week, um by 49 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: the coaching staff, don't forget that Trevor Davis was also 50 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: a pretty darn good gunner. I know a lot of 51 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: attention went to Jeff Janis as far as that role 52 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: of gunner on the punt coverage team, but Trevor Davis 53 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: had four tackles uh as a as a coverage man 54 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: at gunner. So that's another element of special teams that 55 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: comes into play. And then, you know, let's be honest 56 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: West Throughout the preseason, there have been ball security issues 57 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: on returns for the Packers, both punts and kickoffs. We've 58 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: seen the ball on the ground here and there. Nobody 59 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: has stepped up to, you know, really give the coaches 60 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: any reason to to not give Trevor Davis this opportunity 61 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: to say, Okay, the job is still yours. So let's 62 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: go out in Kansas City and earn it. And then 63 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: when it comes to DeVante May's, you said it, the 64 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: opportunity that was missed for him in this training camp 65 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: when you look at the injury to Aaron Jones that 66 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: kept him out for a while. Jamal Williams has had, 67 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: you know, some nix and bruises here and there, other 68 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: guys being brought in somewhat at the last minute in 69 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: training camp to play the running back position. This would 70 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: have been a huge opportunity to did for DeVante May's 71 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: to really put that uh um, that rookie season behind him. 72 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,839 Speaker 1: He had those couple of fumbles when he first got 73 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: his opportunity. We know about all of that, so but 74 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: that really is what he has to do now. He 75 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: has to put it behind him. Whatever chance he gets 76 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: in Kansas City, he's got to maximize. Yeah, absolutely, Mike, 77 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: and you touched on this early in camp too, before 78 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: he had the hamstring injury. The intriguing thing about him 79 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: is he does bring something else to the party. As 80 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: our colleague Larry mccarren likes to say that the other 81 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: running backs don't. And it's not to say they can't 82 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: be power running backs, but not everybody's built like May's 83 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: a you know, five little over five ten to earn 84 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: thirty pounds, he's a he's a bull when he gets going. 85 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: I think he said high school by the way, exactly right, 86 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: and he showed that at Utah State. It's the short 87 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: time he had there when he wasn't injured. I think 88 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: really showed what he could potentially do as a downhole runner. Again, 89 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: he's coming off that hamstring. You and I both know 90 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: the most difficult injuries, in my estimation, other than just 91 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: a pain threshold to come back from our soft muscle injuries, 92 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: particularly with the lower body, because it's not like a 93 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: broken bone. You can't just say Okay, it's gonna heal 94 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: in six weeks and it's healed. Everything is different with 95 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: those things. None of none of those injuries are the same. 96 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: You don't know what the tweak was like, what the 97 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 1: tear was like. So it's all about feel and being 98 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: on a timetable. So that's the one in particular. I 99 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: don't know how much we're gonna see him against Kansas City, 100 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: but if DeVante Mays does suit up and he does 101 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: get some reps in that game, really important to show 102 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: what he can do because we do know that Aaron 103 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: Jones is gonna miss those first two games, and also 104 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: you had, you know, the other two running backs there 105 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: in Montgomery and Williams, but you really like to have 106 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: that number three guy available, So could Davante May's solidify 107 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: himself as that. We'll see what happens. Yeah, we've got 108 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: a lot more to talk about with this preseason finale, 109 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: but I need to take care of some sponsor business 110 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: because I neglected to do so in our last show. 111 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: But here we go. Enter the Cousins Subs Best Seats 112 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: in the House promotion. You and a guest could win 113 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: a chance to kick back on the fifty yard line 114 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: in style. Two pairs of lucky Packers fans will be 115 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: chosen prior to each home game for this v I 116 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: P experience. Enter daily now through December six by completing 117 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: the entry form and submitting. 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But you look at wide receiver, 128 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: you have Adams and Cobb and Allison. We know that's 129 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: the first three, But who's number four for the game 130 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: against the Bears. Jake Kumaroles had a heck of a camp, 131 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: but he's injured right now. We don't know necessarily the 132 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: severity of that. How long he's going to be out. 133 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: Jamon Moore had a nice game against the Raiders. Does 134 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: he step up and do it again as we've talked 135 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: about throughout the preseason, maybe he seizes that spot as 136 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: the number four guy. Valdes Scantling, e q st Brown, 137 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: those guys obviously have had their moments along the way 138 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: as well. What do you think right now, any I 139 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: don't want to say prediction, but any thoughts on just 140 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: a worth things stand at receiver, Well, it's intriguing to me, Mike, 141 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: because of how this shapes up last week. We know 142 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: that Davante Adams and Randall Cobb didn't play, so it 143 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 1: end up being a lot of what you and I 144 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: talked about going into that game. With Kumarroll also being injured, 145 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: Trevor Davis not suiting up, that meant a lot of 146 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: those rookie receivers. And I thought Jamon Moore was a 147 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: young man who really took advantage of that. And you know, 148 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: and I was talking to him about that this week 149 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: and after the game as well, and and Larry McCarn 150 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: even mentioned him when we did our three Things video 151 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: after the final practice on Monday. It just looks like 152 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: a different guy. And it's amazing because it's only five 153 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: or six days. And I think with training camp in 154 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: the preseason, people tend to get so high and low 155 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: on guys, and nothing is absolute. You and I have 156 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: covered this league long enough to know that nothing is 157 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: absolute in terms of young football players. They're gonna have 158 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: their good days, they're gonna have their bad days. I'm 159 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: sure Jamon Moore doesn't want to go into an NFL 160 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: training camp as a rookie and have what happened happened 161 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: to him in the first two or three weeks. But 162 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: if you're a coach, if you're a scout. I want 163 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: to see what's happened with him. I want to see 164 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: this trajectory. I want to see this progression because he's 165 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: a guy that I think over the last week and 166 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: a half you've seen him get better. He didn't just 167 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: have those four catches for sixty one yards or whatever 168 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: it was against the Raiders. He came back and I 169 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: felt had a pretty darn good practice on Monday, had 170 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: press it's so much about stacking success and he mentioned 171 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: it too. I mean, he needs to get to a 172 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: point where he can get the coaches and quarterbacks to 173 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: truck him in for whatever he did against the Raiders, 174 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: and he was happy with it for the most part. 175 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: He knows he has to go and duplicate that again 176 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: against Kansas City in his bid to make the roster. Well. 177 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: We heard from Aaron Rodgers last week talking about a 178 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: guy like Jamon Moore that sometimes all it takes for 179 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: a young receiver is to make that one big play. 180 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: That play he made down the sideline in the fourth 181 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: quarter where he took a pretty big wallp a hit 182 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: that was penalized. Questionable call, that's a discussion for another day, 183 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: but he took a pretty big hit and he hung 184 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: onto that ball. Maybe that's the play. Maybe that's when 185 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: you talk about him looking like a different guy. The 186 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 1: deep ball he caught in Monday's practice inside the Don 187 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: Hudson Center from Deshaun Kaiser, throw was throw, was on target, 188 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: coverage wasn't bad. He he stuck his arms out there, 189 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: right in stride. He brought it in. Everything looked smooth. 190 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: Nothing nothing like a bobble or like, oh that he 191 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: was nervous about it or anything. Maybe the play down 192 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: the sideline in Oakland was the one do you as 193 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: a child, did you ever play that game with your 194 00:08:57,840 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: dad or maybe a friend on the playground where it's like, 195 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 1: as the quarterback once the receiver and he goes out 196 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: for maybe five yards, you complete it, then you go 197 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: out for ten yards in twenty. You keep doing, you 198 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: keep going back. Jamond Moore's game kind of reminded me 199 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: of that against Oakland, where he had two pretty simple 200 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: crossers across the middle. I thought that was a key 201 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: building block. Then he had that one play. I don't 202 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: know if it was kind of a post route. I'm 203 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: trying to remember exactly off the top of my head, 204 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: but it was. It was second and fifteen. It was 205 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: for sixteen yards. You remember that he came across the middle. 206 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: He didn't have the thread of the safety over the 207 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: top of him, but it was a bang bang play 208 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: that he needs to catch and run to make it happen. 209 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: He accomplished that. Then he finished it off with that 210 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: really solid catch along the sidelines. Took a step on 211 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: every play and you could see that confidence build. He 212 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: said he just needed to get his mojo back, So 213 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 1: I think going into this game he's done that. I 214 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: think Marquess Velde Scantling has been fairly consistent, um you know, 215 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: over the stretch of this camp, and Econemius st Brown 216 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: also as a slot receiver for he guy his size, 217 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: I think has been really showcased his talent as well. 218 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: So all three of those guys going in this game. 219 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: It's down to the wires. So I don't know how 220 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: it's going to shuffle out with the receivers, but for 221 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: the first time really on my time on the beat, 222 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: I think it's as wide open as ever with you know, 223 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: who could potentially be those number four or five, six, 224 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: maybe even seven receivers on the roster and another position 225 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: I'll just mention before we do a little bit more 226 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 1: sponsored business in the same vein. In terms of the 227 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: depth chart status is outside linebacker. We have Nick Perry, 228 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: Clay Matthews, and Reggie Gilbert. We know that those are 229 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: the top three. Who's going to be the number four 230 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: heading into the Bears game? Will Kyler Factral step up 231 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: and take it? Chris Odom, Kendall, Donnerson one of those guys. 232 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: We don't know how this is how this is going 233 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: to shake out, but this preseason finale in Kansas City 234 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 1: will matter in that respect totally. And Mike Petton when 235 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 1: he was talking to the media on Tuesday to very 236 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: complimentary Vince Bagel and something, I'm sorry, yeah, no, I 237 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: know what he's done in practice, and he said, you know, 238 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: there's still some things they're waiting to see in games. 239 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: But there was a particular blitz technique that he said 240 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: everybody on the outside linebacker crew has been struggling with 241 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: and he perfected it. He did it perfectly. So we'll 242 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: see if those things can transfer over now and do 243 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: a game setting. 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Okay, So the Packers will get back on 252 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: the plane somewhere in the middle of the night after 253 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: Thursday night's game, and then it's roster cut time. The 254 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: deadline is three o'clock Central Time on Saturday. I believe 255 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: the roster has to be cut down to fifty three. 256 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 1: As we've talked about, I've always felt, as much as 257 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: I kind of get an idea, maybe you know those 258 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: last few guys who's gonna make it and who's not. 259 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: I've learned enough over the years that there's so much 260 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: that goes into these decisions that they can be very 261 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: difficult to predict. But let's just in a very general sense, 262 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: give the fans uh some idea of what these different 263 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: factors are, these different discussions that go on behind the scenes, 264 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: because one of them is when you're trying to look 265 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: at your fifty three plus your ten man practice squad. 266 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: It's trying to figure out, well, if we cut this 267 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: guy because we want him on the practice squad, is 268 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: is there enough preseason film out there that maybe another 269 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: team is going to claim him that they're gonna want 270 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: him because they have a need at that position. I mean, 271 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: you know they're there are room the personnel rooms, there 272 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: are boards with all these teams and their depth charts, 273 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: and they're studying all this stuff to figure it out. 274 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: It's not a simple process. It's not at all. And 275 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: have I mentioned the last five minutes how much I 276 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: like listening to Mike pett and talk. I mean, he 277 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: I thought was exemplary on Tuesday because he was asked 278 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: about building a roster in what you need an outside linebacker, 279 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: what you need at safety or defensive back in today's NFL, 280 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: and he used his experience as a head coach with 281 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: Cleveland and that you know, as a defensive minded coach, 282 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: he was always somewhat selfish in terms of well I 283 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: want this player and that player and this guy, without 284 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: thinking of the big picture, without thinking, okay, who does 285 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: wrongs need? For example, on special teams. Now, how does 286 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: a guy's skill set not only apply to being a 287 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: backup maybe outside boundary cornerback, but also as a gunner, 288 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: or as a jammer on on a punt unit, or 289 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: and the kickoff coverage. Those are all factors you have 290 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: to consider during this thing. And it is the least 291 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: enviable position I think for a coach to be in, 292 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: because or even you know Brian goodkuns, because you have 293 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: a lot of guys. You spend four or five months 294 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: getting to know these guys, getting to know their tendencies 295 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: and in defined guys you really like, and sometimes it 296 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: just works out that one or two of them are 297 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: going to go play elsewhere. And as much as that hurts, 298 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: as I wrote on Insider Inbox last week, I think 299 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: you want to see that too, because, as Mike McCarthy 300 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: alluded to this week, you don't want those decisions to 301 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: be easy. You don't want it to be that it's 302 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: just Okay, well we got fifty three, and well nobody 303 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: else wants the other ten. They'll come back on our 304 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: practice squad. You want to be in a position that 305 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: these guys have made it competitive. And I think in 306 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: a lot of these positions mike receiver, tight end, outside back, 307 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: or defensive back, cornerback. They're gonna have some really tough 308 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: calls to make. Yeah, And Brian Goodacun said the other 309 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: day he believes that there are more than fifty three 310 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: viable NFL players in this training camp for the Packers. 311 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: I think the Packers fully expect or at least or 312 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: at least would not be shocked if a couple of 313 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: the guys that they cut get claimed by other teams. Now, 314 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: the flip side of that, with the Packers being seven 315 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: and nine a year ago, they are a little higher 316 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: in the claim order, the waiver claim order if the 317 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: Packers see somebody else out there that they think would 318 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: be an upgrade over what they have in house. So 319 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: to speak. The Packers normally, when you're a playoff team, 320 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: you know you're you're in the waiver claim order down 321 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: there at eight or thirty. If you make it to 322 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: the conference championship game, as the Packers have done a 323 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: couple of times this year their fourteen, and so that 324 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: changes the equation as well in terms of, well, who's 325 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: going to be available. We're going to have a shot 326 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: at some of those players before these other teams that 327 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: made the playoffs last year. So that's another um, you know, 328 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: variable that that gets thrown into these discussions that they're 329 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: going to have leading up to three o'clock on Saturday. 330 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: And it's the NFL's version of the Rule five draft. 331 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: Is the way I've always looked at. I have to 332 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: use a Major League Baseball analogy there and that, Yeah, 333 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: you can claim a guy, and but if you're claiming 334 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: a guy, that means he was underneath four years in 335 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: the NFL and he's gonna have to learn a new 336 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: defense in addition to being a young player. It's sometimes 337 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: difficult to do that. But there are gems out there. 338 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: I think of, you know, Jared Bush back in two 339 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: thousand and six. I think John Coon John was another 340 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: one of them. Pepper was was a waiver claim ended 341 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: up being a starting safety on a Super Bowl. So 342 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: you never know which way that that wind is going 343 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: to blow. But no matter what happens, uh, you know, 344 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: I think Brian Goodkin is going through this process now 345 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: is the first time being the guy doing the final 346 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: check marks on all these papers. It's it's gonna be 347 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: very interesting and I'm sure gonna be a tough few 348 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: days for the Packers trying to make those decisions. Yeah, 349 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: and just to clarify for the fans as well, you 350 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: claim a player on waivers, you are putting him on 351 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: your fifty three. That's part of the rules. You don't 352 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: get to claim somebody that that another team has cut 353 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: and then put him on the practice squad. That player 354 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: has to clear waivers. Well, it's not really twenty four hours, 355 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: I guess in this particular instance, it's less than that, 356 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: but the waiver period, the player has to clear waivers 357 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: and not be claimed by anybody, including your the players. 358 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: You cut yourself before you can start building that ten 359 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: player practice squad. So that's part of the process that 360 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: will happen into Saturday evening and into Sunday as the 361 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: practice squad contracts are signed. But um one roster decision 362 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: that in essence has already been made west Um at 363 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: the quarterback position is the Packers traded Brett Huntley to 364 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks, So Deshaun Kaiser is the number two 365 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: quarterback on this team, I guess from a roster perspective. Now, 366 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: the question is does Tim Boyle make the roster as 367 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: a number three quarterback or will the Packers release him 368 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: and perhaps hope he cleared that he clears waivers and 369 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: they can sign him with the practice squad. We'll see 370 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: what happens there. We'll see how Boil plays in Kansas City. Um, 371 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: but a move here not necessarily a surprising movie. You No, 372 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: you just never know the timing of when exactly these 373 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: things are going to happen. But it's a sign the 374 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: Packers feel comfortable where they are with the Shaun Kaiser 375 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: and the progress that he's made that he can be 376 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: their number two quarterback for twenty Yeah. And I mean 377 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 1: the thing you gotta remember with Kaiser is one, he's 378 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: twenty two years old. Um. Certainly has the pedigree. I think, 379 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: going back to those comments that Mike McCarthy and Brian 380 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: Goodkin's maid during the offseason program, that if he would 381 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: have came out in this year's draft, he would have 382 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: been right in the conversation with those other five quarterbacks 383 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: that were all taken in the top ten. They feel 384 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: that highly about his talent, in his ability, and I 385 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: think he's flashed that. I think you've seen him make 386 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: some of those throws you want to see out of 387 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: a starting quarterback in the NFL and and you can't 388 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: coach his size. I think he has really good speed 389 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: and athleticism for the position, and he has really good 390 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: arm strength. That's a great building block in terms of 391 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: developing a young quarterback. And I think it's going to 392 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: be important too. It is I wrote an insider inbox 393 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,479 Speaker 1: here for this upcoming edition. This gives them now an 394 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: opportunity for Kaiser to get some playing time in this 395 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 1: game against Kansas City, get one more shot at it, 396 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 1: because you're hoping with everything works out, Aaron Rodgers will 397 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: take every single snap the rest of the season, but 398 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 1: also to get Tim Boil some reps in this game 399 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: because he didn't get in there against the Raiders. So 400 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: I think there's a pretty good chance they'll be able 401 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: to get some work against Kansas City and and show one, 402 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: you know, one more time what he has to offer, 403 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: because I think in in his own way, I think 404 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: he's in press coming out of you know, Eastern Kentucky 405 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: and showing his own arm strength, good size, good feel 406 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,479 Speaker 1: for the pocket, good moxie, and seeing if you can 407 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: pick up where he left off in those two first 408 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: preseason games. All right, Well with that on our next show, 409 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: We'll be talking about these roster decisions and exactly how 410 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: everything fell into place, but for now we will call 411 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: it a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. You 412 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: should have follow all of our coverage of the team 413 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: and the preseason finale in Kansas City on Packers dot com. 414 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: On Twitter, He's at west Hot I'm at Mike Spofford 415 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: at Packers for the team account. Thanks for tuning in, everybody. 416 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.