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I 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:10.360 am Jeff joniaclitz Is on dot ee co U. 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:13.800 What was like playing for coache Gooddom. 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:16.439 I don't want to answer any questions like that pressure 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:17.680 coming is a big trouble. 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:25.520 Dot cos motes Sweat Yes. 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:28.520 Bears et Cetera brought to you by Miller Lte with 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:31.440 the voices of the Bears, Jeff Joniac and Tom Thayer. 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:35.279 Well, we had quite a show at Soldier Field on Saturday, 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:37.519 the home opener of the twenty twenty four season. 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:38.480 Preseason style. 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:40.239 The only home game is that You're ready out of 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:43.160 move into Kansas City on Thursday night. I'm Jeff Joniac 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:46.159 with Super Bowl winning Bears guard Tom Thayer and this 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:49.640 is the Bears et Cetera Podcast number eighty six. The 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:54.560 episode is brought to you by Miller ESPN analyst. Former 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:58.520 glen Bard West High School football star, University of Iowa safety. 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:00.000 His name is Matt bow. 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:03.480 He played for the Saint Louis Rams, he played for 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:06.640 the Packers, he played for Washington, ended his career with Buffalo, 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:09.680 and now he coaches at Icy Catholic Prep as well 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:13.280 and has four kids. He's a busy man, always with 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:14.920 a smile on his face and one of the best 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:17.280 analysts out there to talk football. We're gonna break down 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:20.360 some of what happened in the game against the Bengals 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:22.919 at Soldier Field. First, Tommy, how you feeling, buddy, Oh. 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:25.000 I'm feeling good. Ready to go, Excited to have Matt. 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:29.280 It's always interesting to talk to a football expert, analyst 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:32.160 to just see what he sees in the NFL and 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:32.920 with the Bears. 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:36.000 Well, one thing I forgot about Matt. Matt, he played 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:37.000 safety in the NFL. 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:40.880 But you were also recruited to Iowa potentially as a quarterback. 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:42.560 Correct I was. 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:44.280 I wanted to be the next Chuck Long. That was 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:46.680 my dream, next Chuck Long in Iowa. Well, Chuck played 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:50.440 at week North. The funny thing about that is two 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:53.000 years later, Chuck ends up being my defensive. 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:54.720 Back coach at the University of iowad wow so. 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:57.720 And it's funny how things work. But I went there 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:00.280 as a quarterback. I played my first year on the 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:03.920 scout team red shirt under Hayden Fry, and I got 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:05.000 hit like you wouldn't believe. 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:07.320 So Coach Fry when he had a red jersey and 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:09.360 this is nineteen ninety five. That did not matter. 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:13.720 And starting defense, you know, because you understand, guys, back then, 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:15.600 teams are still running the triple options. I'd be the 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:18.359 triple option scout team quarterback. And like we were preparing 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:21.359 for Iowa State that week, and I pitched the ball 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:23.880 three seconds later, I'd be on the ground. Okay, there 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:26.480 was no protection back then. So I played my first 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:28.760 year in the scout team. And then we were going 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:32.040 down to l Passo to play Washington in the Sun Bowl. 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:36.400 And I went into Chuck Long's office and I said, coach, 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:38.239 what do you think about me playing quarterback? He said, 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:40.640 do you want to play on Sundays meaning the National 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:42.239 Football They said, yes, I do. He goes, it's not 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:45.040 going to happen a quarterback. Come play defensive back for me. 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:49.040 And then I switched over to defensive back, played behind 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:52.840 two NFL guys, Damian Robinson, Kerry Cooks. I tell the kids, 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:54.520 I coach, now, look, I had to wait. I had 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:56.560 to wait three years post high school to really play. 0:02:57.560 --> 0:02:59.480 You know, red shirt played on special teams, the red 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:02.320 shirt fresh and my sophomore year in Iowa, I was, 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:04.680 you know, the sub package that dime safety. But you know, 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:07.480 back then, there wasn't many You weren't in subpackage a 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:10.120 lot of the times, right, you still had pro personnel. 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:12.920 It wasn't wide open until Drew Brees got to produce. 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.320 So I had to wait my time. But it was 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:17.160 the best thing that happened to me. I'd tell young 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:18.640 kids all time, the best thing that happened to me 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:21.440 in college was to develop the right way to take 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:23.800 the proper time in the weight room, to build my body, 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:26.760 to build my football intelligence, learn how to watch tape, 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:30.480 and then be finally prepared physically and mentally to go 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:31.560 play Big ten football. 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:33.760 Hey, Matt, real quick before Jeff jumps back in. 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:37.040 So back when I started college, we had freshman games. 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:39.560 I don't know, did you come from the ear where 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:42.440 you had freshman games or was that? Are we on 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:44.480 two different age levels? 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:47.040 No, I mean we didn't have freshman games time. But 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:49.920 on Fridays we would were called hawk hitters. Okay, so 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:52.680 that was like the freshmen gat the red shirt guys 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:56.600 would play, you know when you got cold out inside 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:58.320 the bubble and there was like no rules. It was 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:00.400 like the wild West. I mean there was no reps. 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:03.760 I mean quarterbacks are live and it was it was 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:06.520 out of control. But yet my fallal in law played 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:08.920 to u of I played with buckets at yu EVA 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:11.280 and he always tells me that when they had their 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:13.600 freshman games back then and he played in the roles. 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:16.120 Weall know what year that was with buckets. But yeah, 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:17.800 you told me about the freshman games as well. 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:21.359 Yeah, we played like Wisconsin, We played Michigan State, you know, 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:24.160 freshmen teams that we would travel and they would travel, 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:28.159 and it was you know, it was our first exposure 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:32.600 into a real four quarter gameplay before we eventually made 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:33.680 it up to the varsity line. 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:35.880 Yeah, that was my question if you played other teams 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.719 as opposed to intersquad, so it was not inter squad. 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:39.840 Not for us. 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:43.560 We are kind of fortunate to play teams that were 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.680 in close enough proximity that we could either drive to 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:49.320 or they could drive to. And it was a great 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:52.400 experience actually, and our families got to come and watch them, 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:55.000 and it wasn't something they charged for. It was like 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:57.360 they let the student body in free and it was 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:57.880 kind of fun. 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:00.960 What were you playing then, because you started out, didn't 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:02.240 you play some tight end as well? 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:02.760 Our defense? 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:07.320 No, I was My first varsity action I ever got 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:11.080 was at full back, and then I started playing defensive line. 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:14.800 But in the freshman games, I was playing offensive guard. 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:17.039 So but you were a fullback. 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:20.880 Well, so this is what happened my fresh my freshman 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:24.280 year against USC. We put in a formation where where 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.960 we had myself as an offensive lineman in Todd Brouney, 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:31.160 who was also an offensive guard who played out at 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:34.159 Marion Catholic, and they put us in a double full 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:39.640 back halfback formation and we had linebacker responsibilities. 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:42.520 And that's the play that was the. 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:46.520 First time I ever entered UH major college game was 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:50.520 against USC, and I blocked Chip Banks and uh it 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:54.960 was It was the kid need introduction to the major 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:55.680 college football. 0:05:55.760 --> 0:06:00.000 Jip Banks a outstanding Cleveland Browns outside linebacker, very very 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.680 good player. Do you remember your first snap in a 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:03.440 Big Ten game? 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:04.240 Met I do. 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:08.320 It was my freshman year. It was late in the game. 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:11.640 We were playing Northwestern at home. I remember that, you know, 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:13.599 because I played. I mean I remember the special team 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:16.480 stamps for the first snap of defense. Really, it was 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:20.719 my fresh year against Northwestern Freezing at Kentnick Stadium. I 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:22.440 did not do very well. I'll tell you that I 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:26.760 was all over And I tell you again, I always 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:28.360 go back to coaching the high school kids. But you 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:31.440 can't really prepare for it, right because all of a sudden, 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:33.919 your heart rate elevates, like you just can't control it. 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:36.360 You're so excited, so nervous, and you're like, Okay, where 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:38.600 are my eyes supposed to be? Who am I supposed 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:40.080 to be reading? And all of a sudden, I'm taking 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.320 fall steps. I'm all over the place. So it takes time, 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:45.599 you know, just like the I remember my first snap. 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:47.160 This is a good story. So my first nap in 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:50.600 the NFL preseason game against the Raiders at the Dome 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:51.440 in Saint Louis. 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:54.200 First kickoff of the preseason, right, and I. 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:55.880 Go flying down that I make the tackle at the 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:57.920 fifteen and you know, I chopped this guy at the 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:01.280 thigh boards. I'm getting up Malk's side. I run back 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:02.880 to the sideline. I go all you guys got to 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.200 go again, go again. There's a penalty. I'm like, on 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:08.960 who like it was on you. You were five yards outside. 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:14.000 We paused the tape in the meeting room on Monday 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:15.280 morning or Monday afternoon. 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:17.760 We got back and I mean I was literally four 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:20.240 and a half five yards off side. I don't, but 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.960 I'll tell you what I mean. It helped. Coaches loved it, 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.120 and coaches loved to hit. So I'll take it. 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:27.520 Tom. Your first NFL snap, you remember it. 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:32.240 Outside of kickoff return? It was in against the Minnesota Vikings. 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:35.080 And you know, I think everybody has when you're in 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:38.360 a backup role. Coach Stanfeld came up to me and said, hey, 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:39.680 Becker tweaked his knee. 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:40.040 You're in. 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.400 And so I went in and I had My first 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:47.680 snap was against Scott Studwell for the linebacker for the 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:51.200 Minnesota Vikings, and we ran a play to the left 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:53.160 and I had to take a hard angle to cut 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:55.600 him off. And I think the first play I was 0:07:55.640 --> 0:08:00.760 in there, I cut him. The blossom the great friends, Yeah. 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:00.880 You guys. 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:03.880 You guys are still friends. You guys are still friends 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:07.840 every time you see him. This Bears, Etc. Podcast is 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:10.160 brought to you by Miller Lite Tastes like Miller Time, 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:14.000 Celebrate Responsibly Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Ninety six calories 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:16.600 and three point two cars per twelve ounces. For a 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:19.040 guy who never would have ever dreamed of having a 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:21.920 shot taking an NFL snapped these little stories I always 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:23.560 get a kick out of, and I never know when 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:26.600 they're gonna pop up. So thanks few thanks for allowing 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:30.160 me to go down that path. Gentlemen, all right, Matt, 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:32.720 let's dig in. I know Tom's gotten through the tape 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.439 probably ten times already, because that's what he does, and 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:39.120 you do as well. Caleb's a big story right now. 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:42.880 He's splattered all over the networks here this morning, on ESPN, 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:46.079 on NFL Network, a lot of people writing about him, 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.920 a lot of people are putting a picture on him 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:52.600 on X next to Patrick Mahomes. And that's what makes 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:55.199 me crazy. I want him to be Caleb Williams. I 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:57.480 don't want him to be Patrick Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:00.800 anybody else. But he certainly has those traits, does he not? 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:04.040 Yeah, he has undeniable talent. I remember writing that one. 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:08.000 I watched his college tap at USC. I always use 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:10.040 the term uncoachable traits. He has a lot of that 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:11.920 and stuff that if I'm in a position coach, I 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:14.599 can't really teach. I can teach footwork to drop, the mechanics, 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:18.000 where to put your eyes, release point, but the stuff 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.120 he does outside of structure I think that's what we're 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.800 really getting at here, especially last week in Cincinnati in 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:26.000 that final drive of the first half, making those plays, 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:28.680 even the play that didn't count on the past to 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:31.520 dudes Indienzeo, and that was an absolute laser off platform 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:34.760 working into the boundary. Okay, as a player, I wouldn't 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:36.880 even have the confidence to make that throw, right. That's 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:39.400 another thing about this guy. It's the confidence level he has. 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:41.840 Such a young player that I can make these type 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:42.520 of throws. 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:43.400 I think the. 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.839 Biggest developmental arc for him will be playing on time 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:50.600 in the national football it's every young quarterback, right, can 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:53.120 you play time? Can you throw with rhythm? And I 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:56.280 think there's ways that Shane Walton, Bear's new offensive coordinator, 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.400 can script that for him, whether it's off of play action, 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:00.599 a lot of movement Tom. You know, they've seen a 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:02.839 lot of movement passes in the first two weeks, meaning 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:04.400 a lot of boot, a lot of flash and getting 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:06.600 into the edge of the formation which kind of cuts 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:08.840 the field in the half form and gives them defined reads, 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.520 you know, a level read underneath option or a cross 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:13.760 or coming over the top. And I think that will 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:15.680 be the next progression for him. But right now what 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:19.240 you're seeing, there's a reason he went Number one is 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:21.640 the reason that people in Chicago should be accepted because 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.840 he can make plays when things go south, and that's 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:27.679 a tool that is important in addition to the poison, 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:29.559 In addition to the mechanics and all the stuff we 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:32.480 talk about the quarterback position being able to create when 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:35.480 you have to make a play that elevates people at 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:37.600 the position, and he has those tools. 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:37.840 You know, Matt. 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:39.480 One thing that I think the team's going to have 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.120 to pay attention to, especially Chris Morgan, the offensive line coach. 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:44.959 When I go back and watch a tape, it's teaching 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:49.360 pass protection to the offensive line because you're not always guaranteed, 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:52.880 even though you're calling a specific directed protection that the 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:54.880 quarterback is going to be there. Now, you got to 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:56.760 start telling these guys, look, you got to play to 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.600 the whistle because you may think that he's to your 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:01.079 outside shoulder, but he's. 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:02.040 Already scrambling right. 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.400 And I think that's going to be interesting to see 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:08.240 the progress of the Shane Walder and Chris Morgan coaching 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:11.880 time frames that are directly related to the way Caleb 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:12.559 sees things. 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:15.240 No, I agree with that and to your point, Tom, 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:16.880 that's going to be a progression, that's going to be 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.960 something that it has to be developed, and you really 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:21.800 need live game reps for that, right Tom, It's one 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:23.319 thing to do in practice. We all know that. That's 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:25.520 why I like that he's playing. And I wanted to 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:28.079 mention that because there's a lot of coaches around the 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:31.680 league that sit their starters right for all of August. 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:32.760 There's one coacher doesn't. 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:36.480 That's Andy Reid and Philip in KMPA City and any 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.199 Reads won a lot of football games. Patrior Maholls won 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:40.800 a lot of football games. The Super Bowl titles and 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:43.280 nurse are after playing. So I like the fact that 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:45.960 Caleb Williams got extra reps. Even when some of the 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:48.960 guys came out this past Saturday, DJ Moore is out 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:50.760 of the football game, He's still out there playing because 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:51.640 he needs those reps. 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:52.360 He needs to work with. 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:55.959 Him starting offensive line, with some of the backups too, 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.400 because Tom, as we know about the course of the season, 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.280 there's gonna be guys to get banged up and the 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:01.320 backups are going to play. 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:03.800 But that is a progression, Mark right there, that will. 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:06.680 Probably take and you would know better but I'm just 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:10.839 speculating here the month of September right until everyone is 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:13.120 comfortable working with his style of play because it is 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.880 so unique because of his creativity. 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:19.240 You know, I believe that to get together with your 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:21.440 offensive line, if you have the luxury of having the 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:23.880 same five guys, you need to have a thousand reps 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:26.840 behind center in order to get familiar with the cadence. 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:29.280 All right, let's travel to the defensive side of the ball. 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.120 Now you're a defense you're a new defensive back coach, 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:36.200 and you're playing against Caleb. What coverages is Caleb going 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:40.120 to see initially that maybe they disguise the before. 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:40.680 The snap of the ball. 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:43.040 What are the coverages that make the most difficult for 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:44.360 him to read downfield? 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:45.640 What do you think about that? 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:49.000 I think he's going to see the picture change quite 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:52.400 a bit when we get to week one and that first, 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:54.360 you know, quarter of the season. What I mean by 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:57.280 that is a lot of late safety rotation. I would 0:12:57.320 --> 0:12:59.960 always start in a quartershell against Caleb, and I wrote 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:03.000 take the safeties, whether spend one down week, drop one 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:06.360 as a robber to take away crossers and over outs, 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.800 but really try to make him read the new picture. 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:11.920 Post snap, and I think he got some of that 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.360 in the Week one preseason game against Buffalo. I think 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:16.960 Buffalo did a really good job of changing coverages. They 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:18.839 went from single high to too high. They threw in 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.240 some two man also, and I think that's gonna be 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:23.760 a progression for him as well as being able to 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:25.800 read the coverages as quickly as that happened in the 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:28.880 National Football League, because if I'm playing against a rookie quarterback, 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:31.040 I'm gonna throw a lot at him, both coverage, both 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:33.920 pressure missed the fronts to try to make him read 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:35.960 it out. I I got to gain an advantage somewhere. 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:38.720 But you also have to be careful because Caleb Williams 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.440 has the mobility we always talk about, the arm tail 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:41.880 and the throws. 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.200 He can make all platform. He could run the ball too. 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:46.080 So if you're gonna play two men, if you're gonna 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:49.000 play man covers and you do not contain him, that 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:50.360 is a major. 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:51.600 Issue from a defensive perspective. 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:53.280 So in the back of my mind is a defensive 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:55.760 play caller, I'm thinking, why really like two men in 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:56.400 this situation? 0:13:56.640 --> 0:14:00.520 But if he gets outside, we're in trouble. First out. 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:01.720 That's plus fifteen. 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.200 That's plus twenty yrs now because he can do so 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:05.920 much as a runner as well. 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:08.599 We are also sponsored by Busy Heart Seltzer Flavors for 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:12.439 every vibe Celebrate Responsibly most Cors Beverage Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.360 You guys are taking all my questions because I had 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.040 I wanted perspective of an offensive lineman and how they 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:18.760 have to adjust as time goes on. And that's why 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:20.960 they like mobility and these guys, Tommy. They want these 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:22.760 guys to be able to get off the ball, not 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.160 only just to get the second level and be onto 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:28.480 the run game, get those tackle sweeps, the pulls. They 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:31.760 want these guys to be athletic enough to be able 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:36.160 to handle with Caleb Williams and previously Justin Fields delivered 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:39.040 in terms of their mobility. And then from the safety 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:42.880 perspective from you, Matt Jones on this roster, who his 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:48.880 responsibility at UCLA against usc was to spy this particular quarterback, 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:54.280 Caleb Williams. Can an NFL defense afford a spy on 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:57.640 Caleb Williams because he does not want to run. He 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:00.520 can run, and that's the difference. The late eyes all 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:03.240 the way to the end, of the play. Uh, do 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:07.240 you waste a defender on that potential mobility impact? 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:10.480 Well, I'll say this, I've always I've always thought this 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:12.240 about a spy. It looks great, right, it looks great 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:15.960 on a chalkboard, looks great. It looks great in Friday practice, right, 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.800 because Friday practice everything works. We used to we try 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:21.240 to spy one time on Michael Vick. It did not work, okay, 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:22.480 because he just ran past the guy. 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:22.760 Right. 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:25.160 It was we're wasting a number, and that's what you're doing. 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:27.040 This is the defense where you're giving up a number, right, 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:29.200 whether it's a rusher or someone encourage to do this. 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:30.240 Uh. 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.600 I think there's certain situations. I would try it against 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:36.280 Caleb Williams, but also you have to have something that 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:38.320 can match him athletically. You have to have something like 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.880 a Rumblinton has a pursuit pursuit speed and the lateral 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:43.520 agility to cut off the football when he escapes outside 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:46.840 the pocket. I do think you'll see it at times, Jeff. 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:49.360 But again, if I'm playing against Kleb Williams, I'm more 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:52.600 concerned about the rush clogging interior rush lanes, trying to 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:54.440 force him to stay in the pocket. 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:55.600 Than putting a spy on him. 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:57.400 Tom, you agree one hundred percent. 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:59.800 You know, I think there's certain guys like Matt mentioned 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:02.680 Mike Vic and I think Lamar Jackson justin fields. I 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:05.240 think they're unspiable because you're not going to have an 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:07.560 athlete that's going to be able to match up with 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:10.480 those guys when you consider what their straight line speed is, 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.080 especially if they know where they want to go before 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:15.840 the defender does, and if he's respecting the middle of 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:19.240 the field. But you know, with a guy like Caleb, 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:24.360 I think guys in I think bodies and coverage will 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:27.320 play a bigger role early in his career than trying 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:30.480 to spy him. And you've got to rely on what 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:32.960 type of pressure you can provide to him. 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:33.840 You know, Matt. 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:37.360 Throughout the course of training camp, the Bears play a 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:39.560 four man line. The teams that they play in the 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:42.120 preseason play a four man line. Then he's going to 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:44.520 play against a thirty four defense the first week of 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:49.080 the season. Do you think that there's anything that's changeable 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:51.400 in the mind of a young quarterback when he's facing 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:57.120 the two fronts or is everything offensive line blocker type controlled. 0:16:57.240 --> 0:16:58.960 I think he's going to see to your point, Tommy, 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.400 he's gonna ce five man surfaces too. I mean, you're 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:03.600 that's one of the kind of the trends in the 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.040 NFL now too. Teams will play their subpackete for the 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.440 five man front, so he's gonna see multiple fronts. 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:10.840 I think this is the situation where he is gonna 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:12.800 have to lean on his offensive line. He's gonna have to. 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:16.080 Help setting protection right because this is all new to him. 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:18.159 It's all gonna be new to him, and that's the 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:20.120 process when you have a young player at that position. 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:22.879 It could be the running back of protection saying no 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.239 check to this. You know, whatever it may be, that's 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:27.760 your job as a teammate in this situation, understanding that 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:31.000 you have this young player with a super high talent level. 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:34.000 But there's situations that he has never even experienced yet. 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:37.040 And like I've said, you can't recreate everything in practice. 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:39.879 You can't recreate everything in a preseason setting because you're 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:41.320 not gonna see as much as you will in a 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:44.280