WEBVTT - Ep. 47: Bear Grease [Render] - Steve Rinella on Jerry Clower and Trimming Mule Hooves 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:17.080 M. My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:20.680 of the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:25.160 where we render down, dive deeper, and looked behind the 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:30.040 scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:35.320 HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:39.280 that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore. 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:48.480 And they would serve things. This is no joke with 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:55.720 like a little paper squeeze cup of cheese whiz. Where 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:59.600 is this? And I was just dumbfounded until and it 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:01.840 was going to start making fun of it a little bit, 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:06.880 but until I looked around and everybody there was actively 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:10.640 enjoying their cheese whiz. Now what were they putting the 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:14.440 cheese whiz on all their breakfast items? What? What state 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:19.480 was this? Minnesota? Minnesota? Northern Minnesota. Didn't give you your own? Can? 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:23.160 They gave you a like a little individual squeeze paper 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:27.640 thing full of cheese with But they uh were they 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:30.040 making their own? Or these are like produced? I think 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:35.280 they were like craft supply is mate. This is a 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:41.760 great cold open to the bar. Surrender. Great the cheese whiz, 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:45.959 the cheese Whiz Render? Um Man, do we ever have 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:48.880 an e collected group of people here today, you know, 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:51.920 so I'm not going to introduce you. May have you 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:55.440 may have you know, recognized their voices, but I'm not 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:57.440 gonna introduce you for a minute. I'm gonna tell you 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:00.200 guys that I've got to warn you that you will 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:08.080 be scrutinized heavily by the original Beargrease Greece Crew. Okay, 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:12.760 so my wife Mr NUNCLEM. Brent Reeves, Josh Lambridge, spillmaker, 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:17.800 Gary Believer nucom that Brent brent Reeves is sharp. Yeah, 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:21.320 man's sharp. Yeah. Well, I'm not saying the other people aren't. 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:24.880 So occasionally, just the way it works is occasionally if 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:27.079 I'm traveling or something and I have a new Bargreas 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:30.440 render crew. The next the next time I see all 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:33.960 these people, they're like, ah, you know they were Okay, 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:36.400 they'll be like, yeah, that guy was this or that. 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:38.520 So I'm just warning you you can wind up in 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:40.680 a somewhat like I think it might. It might be 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:44.120 like a somewhat post modern situation or something where the 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:49.040 render becomes about the render. Yeah yeah, yeah, that's we've 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:51.800 been accused of that. Actually, we've been accused of that 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:55.000 how about the original Beargrease crew you only referred to 0:02:55.040 --> 0:03:00.680 as the cheacher owns there. Yeah, they're wren it out, dude, 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:05.560 I think it would. It would be the crack Southern appropriate. 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:11.040 There we go. No, Hey, it is fantastic to have 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:14.800 a very new crew to my right, Phil Taylor, Hey, 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:16.960 how's it going, CLA. Everybody would know Phil from the 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:20.200 Meat Eater podcast, And if you don't, if you wouldn't 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:22.880 know Phil from that, you would know Phil from all 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:25.720 the incredible work he does on Bargrease. Phil and I 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:30.040 work on Bargrease. You know, we coordinate together with how 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.800 it's built. And so Phil Taylor the sound engineer for 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:36.280 Meat Eater. Right, he gets like about a sentence in 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:40.320 every podcast, but we have hundreds of them added up 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:46.680 as paragraphs on the meta paragraphs of film I film. 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:50.320 We need to make a sizzle reel of everything Phil says. 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:53.360 Everything Phil has ever said, strong out. I do not 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:56.400 want to hear that. You have to be the one 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:58.920 that makes it. I know it's never gonna happen. Well, 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:02.040 what I've learned from being around felt when he does speak, 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:06.040 it's noteworthy. Yeah, I try. I don't like it when 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:07.600 people talk too much at me, So I try not 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:10.600 to talk too much at them. Yeah, I get it, 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:16.840 don't talk at me. To your right, Ryan Callahan, man, 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:20.520 this is uh, it's an honor to have you here. Brother. Hey, 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:23.839 I've been looking forward to this. So Steve, Ryan and 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:27.479 I have really never done much together. Of all the 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:29.440 Metater people, have you know, traveled a lot with you? 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:32.640 Honest with you, I've actually wondered about that. Yeah, we've 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:36.400 never We've just never crossed paths much. And so you 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.159 guys getting along. Yeah, man, you know it's probably because 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:42.800 if you got me to Arkansas and wouldn't come back. Yeah. Yeah, 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:47.040 we're brothers from another mother. You can tell by the stashes. Yeah, 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:51.920 he's got mules, he's got gardens, got uh, lots of 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:56.280 fishing and hunting opportunity. It's a pretty sweet deal right 0:04:56.279 --> 0:05:00.960 out your front door. It is, to your right, Steve 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:05.839 Ranella Man. Now you are you're a regular on bargarase, 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:07.560 I'm gonna call you a regular if you're if you've 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.800 been on there more than twice. So, but good to 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:13.080 have you on the Render. So the Render for those 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:16.360 for those who might not know the structure of the podcast, 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:18.480 it's a little bit different. So we have and this 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:20.440 isn't for you guys, this is for people out there. 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:21.960 I try every now and then to kind of tell 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:25.279 what's going on. So the Burgerase podcast is our documentary 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:29.919 style podcast with a very specific target, and we we 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:34.920 really dive in deep with multiple guests and and voiceover 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:38.160 and soundscapes and really do it up. The Bargeras Render 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:40.920 is what you're hearing here, which which is us talking 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.920 about the previous week's Burgers podcast. So if this is 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.359 your first time to listen to barg Rease, you know, 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:50.120 go back one and you'll hear what we're gonna talk 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:54.200 about today, which is the Jerry Clower episode. But yeah, 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:57.680 like the Burgries podcast is like all the really informed, 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:03.400 correct stuff pretty much, and then you do this and 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:07.520 it's it's things that weren't well thought enough to make 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:11.760 it into that. Yeah, and you have I would imagine 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:15.800 you have some suggestions for the Jerry clod podcast. Oh yeah, 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:21.000 I'm I'm very I anticipate these to your right, our 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:25.159 last guest, and much of an honor to have you here, Karren, 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:28.719 and you would a lot of you would know Karin 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:32.120 from the Metator podcast as well. Your first time on Burgary. 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:36.040 So my first time. So Karin is uh, tell us 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:39.560 what you do, Karan, I produced the Meat Eater podcast, 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:44.800 so a lot of pre interviews and setting up the 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:54.760 agenda of talking points and transitions, keeping Steve in line. Yeah, Okay, 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:57.600 get into it. I want to. I learned there's two 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:02.200 things that you don't bring up in the just in 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:06.640 Life this week on my Instagram. Okay, there's certain topics 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.480 that if you bring them up on Instagram, it's just 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:16.880 gonna be problems for you. Number One, bee keeping are touching. 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:27.280 They are very touchy and of touchy enthusiast groups like 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:31.280 the dog oh Man. Okay, so I've got two things. 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:33.680 The bee keeping thing is something that happened a long 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:36.480 time ago, but I quickly saw that it fit into 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:38.680 the thing that I did this week. That may have 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:41.880 been a mistake, but bee keeping Misty has a couple 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:46.400 of bee hives, and and she's an amateur. She knows it. Uh. 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:49.600 Last year sometime I thought it was pretty cool she 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:52.640 was pulling out some of the screens and looking at honey. 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.600 So I took a video put it on my Instagram. 0:07:55.800 --> 0:08:00.800 The biggest mistake in my life beekeepers who mold they 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.280 can look at a three second video clip and like, 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:06.720 look into your soul to tell you why you know 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:12.400 you're bad at life, bad at me? If you get 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:14.400 a second, I'd like to speak to the to the 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:18.320 touchy enthusiast audience, Well, let me tell you the next 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:27.520 that's probably it's close hoof trimming stuff. But I saw 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:29.280 that thing and I was like, look like you knew 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:34.079 what he was doing? Well, so did I see? Man? No, 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:38.800 I am not a I'll tell you my full experience 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:42.600 with trimming. And I put my shoes on Mules. I 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:45.720 don't shoot him very often. But you know, when I 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.480 got Mules, I started paying ferriers to come to your house. 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:50.160 And it's a hundred and fifty bucks and you gotta 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:53.120 do it every six d eight weeks and you sit there. 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:54.960 Oh yeah, man, it's a big deal. I don't know 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:56.439 that I knew. I thought it was a couple of 0:08:56.440 --> 0:09:00.000 times a year. Typically depends on who you are. Typically 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:03.280 six eight weeks, like and and talking to the farriers. 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:06.160 They're like because when the first guy started coming out, 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.560 and their fairies are always great people, they really are. 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:10.440 I've never met a ferrier. I didn't like they gotta 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:12.439 deal with a lot of people they do, and they're 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:15.439 just you can't fake out a horse or mule, like 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:18.319 you just kind of have to be legit. And they 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:21.960 see there one kick away from being mentally disabled, and 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:27.480 most of them have been kicked. And he told me, 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:29.600 he said, Clay, I said, do I really need to 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.440 you know, shot this At the time, I had a horse. Actually, 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:35.920 don't tell anybody ever on the horse. And I had 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.280 a horse, and I was like, I really, do I 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:40.920 really need this shoe this thing every six weeks? And 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.679 he just said, Clay, people that are really dialed in 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:47.800 on their in their equine business absolutely shoe every six 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:51.239 eight weeks. And so I said, okay. But he basically 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:53.319 just showed me what he was doing. And I watched 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:55.680 him two or three times and I was like, I 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:57.600 think I can do that, and he was like, hey, yeah, 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:00.240 you can do it. And he just showed me how 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:03.040 to do it, and so I started doing it. Primarily, 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:05.920 not even financially, as much as it's a pain in 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:08.560 the rear to schedule somebody to come six weeks in 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:11.280 advance to your house and you know, you may not 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:13.120 be there when they show up because you forgot about 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:17.559 it or something. So I started trimming trimming my mule feet, 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:20.200 which if you're if you're running them on rocks and 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:22.920 rough stuff, the feet kind of trimmed down on their own. 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:26.080 But man, I put up that little video just because 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:28.320 I thought it was kind of cool. And you know, 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:32.520 apparently I was using the knife backwards, which I mean, 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:37.280 come on, well, there's there's there's there's there's a right 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:41.559 handed and a left handed hoof knife, and I had 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.280 two of them there and I just I mean, I 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:48.640 just pick up whichever one's closest, and it it doesn't 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:51.280 seem to be a limiting factor in in what I'm doing. 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:53.800 But oh man, they went off on me pretty good. 0:10:54.320 --> 0:11:00.720 So so are you aware of Dr pimple Popper? Oh man? Know, Okay, 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:04.080 this is a huge thing for some people. I cannot 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:09.160 stand it. But it's it's like and and and and 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:12.640 it's a huge following but the same and it's on 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:16.440 people right and this person's or persons or whatever. They're 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:21.079 plucking hairs, they're popping zits, they're they're doing spaghetti, squeezing 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:24.680 it out. There's very gnarly stuff. But this whole thing 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:30.240 also exists in the agriculture community to where you can 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:33.319 watch these lengthy videos with millions of views of people 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:37.840 working on abscess jaws, you know, you know, getting all 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:40.640 the pus out of an obsessed jaw um and then 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:45.440 doctoring feet is a big thing. Yeah. Yeah, And so 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.240 these people and we're talking about horses here, just to 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:53.800 be clear, correct, we're talking about the the whole gamut. 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:59.640 Yeah yeah, And so that's who you're dealing with, okay. 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:03.320 So you you just hold your head up high and 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:05.080 know that you're dealing with a bunch of people with 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:09.600 weird foot fetishes, okay, and at the base of their complaints, 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.880 they just want to see more clay. That is probably 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:16.440 the best advice I've had. And I know that there 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:19.480 are very professional ways but to do stuff. Here's my 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:23.160 pretty strong philosophy that I have in life though, that 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:26.679 has worked out okay for me, is that if you 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:32.280 take your instruction from the absolute experts in any field 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:37.000 and and they set the bar for entry for you, 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:40.640 you will likely be intimidated and never even get into that. 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:44.720 Like I'm I am a master at very few things, 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:48.480 but good enough at a quite a bit of stuff, 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.480 and trimming trimming mule feet would be one of the 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:55.760 things that UM not a master at, but good enough, 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:59.280 you know. And uh, there's so much that I think 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:03.160 people get ung up and uh, details that really aren't 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.640 the limiting factor of their entry point in the summer 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.319 in the bars a lot lower. And but obviously you're 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:10.760 gonna go to the experts to learn how to do stuff, 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:15.840 you see what I'm saying. Yeah, and it's paralysis of 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:18.320 fear right there, like, oh, I'm gonna make a mistake, 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:20.480 and so I'm not even gonna try. And you gotta 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:23.319 try some I mean, you gotta get in there some 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:25.960 way and do it. And in your case, man, if 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:30.080 if you got in a situation where you go a 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:32.320 little too thin and then all of a sudden you 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:36.079 got a bum foot on your mule, you're gonna feel 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:39.240 like crap, and you're gonna be ultra careful. But it's 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:42.240 not it's not gonna lead into this. They call that 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:46.080 quicken a horse or mule. I've done it one time 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:48.599 and and is he just had a sore foot for 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:50.960 about two weeks And yeah, I learned from it. And 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:55.880 you makes me sad, right right, And you're way more 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:57.959 careful than next time, but it isn't. The world didn't end. 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:00.840 I didn't have to shoot the mule, didn't have to 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:04.120 write Steve, what are your thoughts on this? These type 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:08.040 of these type of people that like the enthusiast groups sensitive, 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:12.480 touchy enthusiast groups. I'm less excited about telling you now 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:15.160 that you gave the fairier example because I would not 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:21.760 put fairiers in the touchy enthusiast group things. But a 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:25.560 lot of things like like bee keeping. Now, this is 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:27.800 gonna insolt all your beekeepers out there. Not that opposed 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:31.640 to be keeping. In fact, my brother, my brother Danny, 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.360 one time saw be tree open, which is probably bad, 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.800 but we're clearing a lot. We're clearing a lot, saw 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:40.440 to be tree open. Tree had to go. Anyway, did 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:44.040 you get the honey well kind of it was. It 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:45.560 was we didn't do it, like we didn't get like 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:47.520 a centrifuge out and like get it out. But we 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.920 damned had some bar and chain oil in there. It 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:57.080 was like we're in high school. Um. Anyways, it is 0:14:57.200 --> 0:15:01.040 apologies to everyone. It's like a little endy to have 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:04.280 some bees. So why do you think we have them? 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:07.600 So it's like a new thing and you have people 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:13.160 that previously probably didn't have a strong identity and now 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:19.000 they've found an identity. Okay, they found an identity. Um, 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.240 they used to just be like a person that they're like, 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:23.800 they have some shows they like and they like to 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.040 drink certain things, and then all of a sudden they 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:30.160 get like they identify, like they make twenty batches of beer, 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.200 and all of a sudden, now they have an identity 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:38.640 and it impacts them deeply. When you're getting that kind 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:41.280 of feedback, you're getting feedback from people who have made 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:44.640 a new identity. If so, you don't think any of 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:47.200 these comments are coming from people who have been keeping 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:50.200 bees for decades, maybe in our gate keeping and kind 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:52.640 of like, nope, stay out of my lane. If you had, 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:54.960 if you let's say you had a video where you're like, 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:59.840 here's how I've decided to um feed lot cattle this 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:05.480 song or fatten my cattle. Do you think that a 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:08.760 guy who's been in the cattle fatten in business for 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:15.440 six generations, biggest cattle fattener in Kansas, is he gonna care? 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:17.840 Is he gonna be like, No, Clay, I find that 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:22.120 when I'm fattening cattle. No, Yeah, he's gonna be He's 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:25.080 just like, he's like, I don't who cares. He's like, 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:28.440 this is a guy that's gonna fail, and people who 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:30.040 don't know how to fatten cattle. You know, I'm not 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:34.040 gonna go into detail, but yesterday we were discussing plan 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:37.960 to get Steve uh an alternate identity on the internet 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:40.440 just so he can make comments like these because I 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:44.640 have to. Yeah, but here's the thing too, and then 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:47.720 I'm done. I'm done about this whole thing. Yesterday, uh 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:52.080 our dinner guest, dinner mate, whatever you call him, was 0:16:52.120 --> 0:17:00.000 saying how uh online haters are always unsuccessful. They're unsuccessed, 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:03.640 us from unfulfilled in some way. I wonder I like 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:08.440 statements like this because well, no, no, no, I like 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:15.880 like definitive statements that probably aren't entirely true. But that statement, well, 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:17.960 I mean, I guess you have to define what successful is. 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:21.879 But yeah, its people hating on the internet. It's a 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:25.159 tough it's a tough crowd to diagnose in terms of like, 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:27.080 what's their motivation? Do you guys want to hear a 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:33.280 quick T shirt idea? Let's do it. Cat Honeybee sitting 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:37.840 there on trunk of clover maybe with a bird dog 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:42.040 on full point on the honeybee trimming mule foot and 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:51.080 it says uh and it says ste sensitive, touchy enthusiasm. Okay, 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:54.760 I like it. I like it. I like it. Well, 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:57.840 I just thought I would bring that up because I'm 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:00.439 gonna keep trimming my mule feet. I've got to just 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:03.360 got no choice Korean to do it. Put it out there. 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:06.920 I imagine you got you got like the stall for 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:08.960 holding their feet up and stuff, so you're not just 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:14.080 bent over the whole time. Man. I'm just I'm doing 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.280 like a lot of farriers to do. Just put it 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:19.119 up in between your legs and work it. The farriers 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:22.359 are bad backs, buddy. Yeah, yeah, I don't. It's not 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:24.360 like I'm doing it every day, you know, once every 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.280 couple of months. You know what, Clay, I gotta tell 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:28.359 you one last thing about that that I saw that 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:32.639 video and are you going to join the criticism? I 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:38.720 don't know, Like I have zero opinions on the subject 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:41.119 other than that, like, I have two friends that do that, 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:45.120 but they're watching them do it. But I was watching 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:50.080 and it looked to me such confidence and fluidity. Because 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:53.159 I thought it must not be you. I thought it 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:56.520 must be you filming your ferrier. At first I was like, oh, Clay, 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.560 he is doing this to a horse's foot, And then uh, 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:02.080 I was like that, I can't be Clay. He's never 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:04.600 said about how he's never said he's like way into that. 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:08.720 And I was like, man, if you watched if you 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:12.760 watched a real fairier, they would they would be like 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:17.520 so much more. And that's what the guys that we're 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:20.359 hacking on me. One guy was like, yeah, I remember 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:22.879 what my first beer was. Like that was his literal quote, 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:25.760 Like like he could say like, yeah, you hadn't done 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:30.920 this that much, which is true. You know, the tone 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:32.959 of the converence, you know, the tone of the comment, 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:36.359 like maybe it'd be different if it were just like 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:40.919 some Instagram for something a little more encouraging. Yeah, exactly, 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:48.080 guys like some pointers, maybe some you know education shut. 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:51.320 That is my favorite part though. It's like, if you 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:56.840 are the authority, here is a beautiful opportunity to interact 0:19:56.880 --> 0:20:01.359 with a bunch of people and give them something to 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:06.159 go home with out of the whole depth of experience 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:09.040 that you have packed into your brain. But instead what 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:15.040 you say is go f yourself right and It's like, oh, 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:17.520 so is that going to make people gravitate towards your 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:21.080 intelligence to come find you the authority on this subject. 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:25.679 It's like, Nope, Nope, nobody wants. Nobody wants to have 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:32.400 your grump spread around. Right. Meanwhile, Clay, who's not the 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:36.159 end point of experience on the the hoof Triman scale, 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:38.120 He's gonna have a line out the front door because 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:39.720 he's a nice person. He's gonna take the time to 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:44.520 talk to you. My wife thinks hoof Triman is extremely gross. 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:48.040 She oh, she just she watched me do it one time. 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:50.680 And it does smell like it has a smell. It's 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:53.440 not a necessarily a bad smell. It's just a distinct 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:58.720 like nail. Yeah, Like when you like grind to burn 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:01.680 hair cut bone with the saw, you have that bone smell. 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:07.639 It's kind of like that. Um, real real quick, you 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:10.000 you need to you need to shod horses when they're 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:15.920 like particularly when they're gonna be traveling on rocky ground. Right. Um, 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:21.040 go back to the American West two years ago, where 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:25.080 people are traveling long distances, they're away from any kind 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:30.120 of settlements civilizations. Are they just not doing it? I mean, 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:37.639 obviously the the like the uh, horse mounted planes, Indian 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:41.879 hunters riding unshot horses, but they're on rocky. That's a 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:44.840 that's a that is a question that I've never really 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:47.800 heard someone concisely answered. But I'll tell you my understanding 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:52.520 of it. In modern times, the modern breeding of our horses, 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:56.400 they pretty much have to be shot if they're going 0:21:56.480 --> 0:22:01.280 to be used extensively. Just a hoofst ructure. They just 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:05.719 stayed together, their feet stayed together so much better if 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:07.760 they're shot. Like so those guys might have just burned 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:11.159 them out quicker. Yep, I think so. And you know, 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:13.919 I mean, if you're talking about the planes Indians and 0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:18.000 the horses that they had, I mean they were consciously 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:22.720 or unconsciously selectively breeding four animals that had strong hoofs. 0:22:23.280 --> 0:22:26.480 You know, but obviously while the horses didn't weren't shod. 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:30.520 But you know, there are some horses that I mean 0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:33.240 can't even walk through a flat pasture without shoes on 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:38.440 and uh, and it's just their structure. Yeah, just like 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:42.399 just like there's also you know, some people say if 0:22:42.440 --> 0:22:45.680 you never shoe them, you know, you don't you kind 0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:48.919 of buy shooing them. You're creating a process that you 0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:51.320 have to continue, kind of like us wearing shoes, Like 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:54.160 if you never wore shoes, you wouldn't need shoes. There's 0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:55.560 a fine line, and a lot of it has to 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:57.760 do with the specifics of that animal. But that's also 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:01.160 one of the reasons I love mules is for what 0:23:01.280 --> 0:23:03.679 I do with mules. I pretty much never have to 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:06.800 shoot him. Now. I was in Arizona two weeks ago 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:09.440 with Warner Glenn out there, and they have to shod 0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:12.560 their mules all the time just because they're walking on 0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:17.800 uh maupie mau piss volcanic rock all the time constantly, 0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:20.560 So I mean they're Warner told me, he said, yeah, mule, 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:23.159 you could ride an unshot mule in this country for 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:25.840 one day and then you'd have to put it up 0:23:25.880 --> 0:23:27.840 in a stall for two days, and then you could 0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:30.639 ride it again on the fourth day, you know. And 0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:32.639 so they shoot them all and don't have any trouble. 0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:35.680 But yeah, the whole shoeing things pretty well. It's really interesting. 0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:42.080 You can read some stuff about like rawhide um foot 0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:46.199 protection for for horses back in the day. That's a 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:49.040 that's a real thing. I've read some references to it, 0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:52.400 but I don't know, but I think the burnout factor 0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:56.439 is a huge one because you read about the size 0:23:56.440 --> 0:23:58.840 of the horse herds for a lot of the planes tribes, 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:04.400 we're immense, you know, immense ements. So I don't I don't. 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:08.320 I don't think anybody was our our idea of having 0:24:08.440 --> 0:24:12.200 an animal like that's my go to. I don't think 0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:15.320 it was the thing. Man. I gotta say this before 0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:18.719 we start talking about Jerry Clower bringing up warrener Glenn 0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:23.199 and mules. Warrener Glenn, eighty six years old, lives in 0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:27.840 the Arizona Cowboy Dry ground line hunter. We hunted with 0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:33.919 him for four days, and in the on the first day, 0:24:34.240 --> 0:24:39.480 we rode in stuff that was the most treacherous, like 0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:44.199 the wildest mule stuff I've ever been in, pretty much 0:24:44.280 --> 0:24:46.760 by far. And you're going out with this eighty six 0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:50.760 year old man and you think, yeah, I've never ridden 0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:53.640