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Speaker 1: M. My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production

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Speaker 1: of the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render,

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Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and looked behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f

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Speaker 1: HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore.

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Speaker 1: And they would serve things. This is no joke with

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Speaker 1: like a little paper squeeze cup of cheese whiz. Where

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Speaker 1: is this? And I was just dumbfounded until and it

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Speaker 1: was going to start making fun of it a little bit,

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Speaker 1: but until I looked around and everybody there was actively

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Speaker 1: enjoying their cheese whiz. Now what were they putting the

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Speaker 1: cheese whiz on all their breakfast items? What? What state

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Speaker 1: was this? Minnesota? Minnesota? Northern Minnesota. Didn't give you your own? Can?

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Speaker 1: They gave you a like a little individual squeeze paper

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Speaker 1: they were like craft supply is mate. This is a

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Speaker 1: great cold open to the bar. Surrender. Great the cheese whiz,

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Speaker 1: the cheese Whiz Render? Um Man, do we ever have

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Speaker 1: an e collected group of people here today, you know,

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Speaker 1: so I'm not going to introduce you. May have you

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Speaker 1: may have you know, recognized their voices, but I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna introduce you for a minute. I'm gonna tell you

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Speaker 1: guys that I've got to warn you that you will

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Speaker 1: be scrutinized heavily by the original Beargrease Greece Crew. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so my wife Mr NUNCLEM. Brent Reeves, Josh Lambridge, spillmaker,

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Speaker 1: Gary Believer nucom that Brent brent Reeves is sharp. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: man's sharp. Yeah. Well, I'm not saying the other people aren't.

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Speaker 1: So occasionally, just the way it works is occasionally if

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Speaker 1: these people, they're like, ah, you know they were Okay,

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Speaker 1: So I'm just warning you you can wind up in

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Speaker 1: a somewhat like I think it might. It might be

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Speaker 1: been accused of that. Actually, we've been accused of that

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Speaker 1: how about the original Beargrease crew you only referred to

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Speaker 1: as the cheacher owns there. Yeah, they're wren it out, dude,

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Speaker 1: I think it would. It would be the crack Southern appropriate.

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Speaker 1: There we go. No, Hey, it is fantastic to have

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Speaker 1: a very new crew to my right, Phil Taylor, Hey,

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Speaker 1: how's it going, CLA. Everybody would know Phil from the

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Speaker 1: Meat Eater podcast, And if you don't, if you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: know Phil from that, you would know Phil from all

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Speaker 1: the incredible work he does on Bargrease. Phil and I

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Speaker 1: it's built. And so Phil Taylor the sound engineer for

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Speaker 1: Meat Eater. Right, he gets like about a sentence in

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Speaker 1: every podcast, but we have hundreds of them added up

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Speaker 1: as paragraphs on the meta paragraphs of film I film.

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Speaker 1: We need to make a sizzle reel of everything Phil says.

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Speaker 1: Everything Phil has ever said, strong out. I do not

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Speaker 1: want to hear that. You have to be the one

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Speaker 1: what I've learned from being around felt when he does speak,

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Speaker 1: don't talk at me. To your right, Ryan Callahan, man,

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Speaker 1: out your front door. It is, to your right, Steve

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Speaker 1: about today, which is the Jerry Clower episode. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: like the Burgries podcast is like all the really informed,

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Speaker 1: your mule will go, just ride it and go. He said,

422
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: your mule will tell you when it's too much. And

423
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 1: I mean pretty much you're limited by just where that

424
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: animal will go. If you spur it and it goes,

425
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: it's not gonna get itself into a situation that's gonna

426
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: hurt it. Now, it could hurt you. You could fall off,

427
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: you could get raked off by a limb, you could,

428
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 1: you know, bad stuff could happen to you, but that

429
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: animal is gonna be all right. So it was a

430
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: pretty pretty exciting time. So you can't spur a mule

431
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: off a cliff's edge, That's right. That's why they that's

432
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 1: that's their whole thing. Uh. Have you've done much writing

433
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 1: at night? A little bit? Not, probably not as much

434
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 1: as uh some of these guys coming way back from

435
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: back country. Yeah, I mean that's that's a wild wild thing. Man.

436
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: It's not having your light on. Yeah, so you don't

437
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 1: don't have your head lamp on so the mule can

438
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: see better. And yeah, you get that like feeling of

439
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: floating sometimes and you're just like super dark knights and

440
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: cross river up and down drainages and they're all all

441
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: they're doing is heading for home, and they kind of

442
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 1: quicken up the pace the closer you get, and it's

443
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: it's pretty wild, but you get some real real confidence

444
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: in them. Yeah. But there's also those zones with low

445
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: hanging branches. Yeah, that's that's treacherous. Speaking of mules, Jerry

446
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: Cloward loved mules. He was transition, he was he was

447
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 1: big into mules mule. Yeah, yeah, he had he had

448
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: the He had the one where he was with a

449
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: New York City music executive and he shot the mule

450
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 1: Uncle Versy's mule. He was laid by twenty six crops

451
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 1: with her. Yeah yeah, Okay, So we've been we've been

452
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: doing a two part series on the cultural impact of

453
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: the book where the Red Friend Grows and the way

454
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: that I described it was it was that one time

455
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: that coon hunting, this super niche small scale hunting related thing,

456
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: did a three sixty slam dunk on pop culture made

457
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: him love it, all right, that's the truth. I mean

458
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: that that book is just so widespread to this day,

459
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: used across the country and urban areas. Always thought it

460
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: was kind of a regional phenomena because you know, I

461
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: live about an hour from Talaqua, where that book happens.

462
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: So we we did that. Somebody wrote me and I

463
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: got to give him credit, and I don't even know

464
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: who it was, and said, hey, you gotta do something

465
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: on Jerry Clower and I don't want to. We could

466
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: get into the details of how I know about Jerry Cloud,

467
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: which we will. We will. Steve has a few things

468
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: to say, but very quickly what I what I so

469
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: the render. Part of the render is seeing behind the

470
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: scenes of the Burgers podcast. We didn't have this planned

471
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: out for a long time. If we had, I'd had

472
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: my friend Steve Ronella talk about Jerry Cloward because apparently

473
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: he an expert on Jerry clouer. Um. We put this

474
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: together relatively quickly, and so my friend Isaac Neil, who

475
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: who helps me with some burglary stuff. I was in

476
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: Arizona and I said, Isaac, when I come home on Monday,

477
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: I have got to have an expert about Jerry Cloud.

478
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: That I I mean, I gotta get an audio recording

479
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: in like two days from when I get home. When

480
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: I got he was messaging me and what He scoured

481
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: the internet, called Jerry's old manager and couldn't get in

482
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: touch with him, and so he called the The City

483
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: council office of Liberty, Mississippi, calls him on the phone

484
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: City Council and he tells them, Hey, we're trying to

485
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: find a Jerry Cloud expert. They give him the cell

486
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: phone number of the Mayor of Liberty, Mississippi, which he

487
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: calls and leaves a message with the Mayor of Liberty, Mississippi.

488
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: Within three hours, he gets a call from from John

489
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: on Newman, Jerry Clower's neighbor from East Fork, Mississippi. Jerry

490
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: lived in East Fork and uh and so so Isaac's

491
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: like Clay. We got Jerry Clower's neighbor. And I hadn't

492
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: talked to John, so I didn't know much about him.

493
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: I said, you know, what's he like? Is he is

494
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: he excited to do this? Like what's the extent of

495
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: his knowledge of Jerry? And you know, he said, man,

496
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: he seems pretty legit, pretty excited. And so I called

497
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: John and just deep Southern accent, just like Jerry. You know.

498
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: I find these regions have obviously, like a Mississippi, Mississippi

499
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: accident would sound a certain way. If you're from Arkansas,

500
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: you sound a certain way. But it's very regional. One time, Steve,

501
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: you would like this story. When I was in college,

502
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: the first day of some big college class, when you're

503
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: in this big auditorium, I sat down in the seat

504
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: and I heard a guy two chairs behind me talking

505
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: and I turned around. I didn't look at it. I

506
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: didn't know who he was. I turned around and I said,

507
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: you're from Gordon, Arkansas, And he was from Gurdon, Arkansas,

508
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: and I'd recognized his accent in a heartbeat because I

509
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: had a friend from Grdon, Arkansas. Just immediately I picked

510
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: it up. I say that to say, the accent of

511
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: the South is varied, extremely varied, and but not when

512
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: you're a Yankee. Yeah yeah, maybe so maybe so you're

513
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: from down there. Yeah yeah, no, I get I see

514
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: what you're saying. But east Fork, Mississippi, it was eight

515
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: hours from my house. So I drove to east Fork, Mississippi,

516
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: met John Newman, and uh, can I give it just

517
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: a little bit of color commentary on Uh, Liberty, Mississippi.

518
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: Seven would be the population. So the mayor is the

519
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: mayor of what is known as a micropolitan twelve miles

520
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: east of McComb, Mississippi. I think McComb, Mississippi, as Jerry

521
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: says it is, the is the big town. Um. But

522
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: Liberty is the county seat of Amity. Nope, a mitt

523
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: Amen River swamps A river? Am I t emphasis on

524
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: the a A mitt river? Yeah, so a lot, a

525
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: lot of Jerry Clowder stuff takes place in the Amat

526
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: River swamps. Yes. So, Steve, what was what's your connection

527
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: to Jerry Clowder? You know. I thought about it long

528
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: and hard after Could I first tell my problem? Yes,

529
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: my problem is I I like, right when I knew

530
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: you liked hunting raccoons, I was telling you listen to

531
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: Jerry cloud y'all listen to Jerry Clower. Now listen. Did

532
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: you think I was listening to Jerry Clower before you

533
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: were born? So remember when you were talking about the

534
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: fact that the fact that you would do the Jerry

535
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: Clower thing, and and not even and I would have

536
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: to find out about it through Phil. I can see

537
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: how that would be really hurt. So I'll tell you

538
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: the first Okay, I thought about it, like, what was

539
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: my initial Jerry clowd touch point? Was this I could

540
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: actually put I could go back home and conduct some interviews,

541
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: and I could probably find out the exact year because

542
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: I know where my bus stop was at the time.

543
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: My bus stop was one mile from my house. And

544
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: it was can you do this in a Jerry one

545
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: from I will you need three compass directions one mile

546
00:33:53,520 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: east of where Duff Road and Strail Road came together. Okay?

547
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: It was yeah, I can do all that you could

548
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: if you had time triangulation. It was we had to

549
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: walk that far to the bus stop because they didn't

550
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 1: they needed to have a certain amount of visual clearance

551
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: down the roads, and apparently so for a while they

552
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 1: moved our bus stop to a horrible fire away spot.

553
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: The reason I say this I heard of Jerry Clower's

554
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: story and it was the one he tells about the

555
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: little boy out on a moped or something and a

556
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: brand new I can't remember what car, like some sports

557
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 1: car pulls up next to him and the little boy

558
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: is like so curious about the car. The owner of

559
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: the car rolls the window down and the boys got

560
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: his nose there and he's smelling the new leather and

561
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 1: he's just so blown away in and the light turns green,

562
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: and the motors decided to impress the little boy and

563
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: just gun it out of the intersection. So he peels

564
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: rubber out of the intersection heads down the road, and

565
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: a while later, in his rearview mirror, he sees his

566
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: little boy overtaking him on the moped and foom past him,

567
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: And a little while later he comes back to the

568
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: other direction, Poom passes him, and while they're here, he

569
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: sees him coming agains like, how's that boy going that fast?

570
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: And smashed into the car and the guy gets out.

571
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: He's like, Oh, is there anything I can do I

572
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: for you? I'm so and he's like, yes, sir, you

573
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: can unhook my suspenders from the rear from the side

574
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: of you mirror. So uh, and I remember going down

575
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: to the bus stop. You were tickled by that one.

576
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: When you remember going down to that bust that bus

577
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: stop in that spot and telling people about it and

578
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: what it was was. My mom had been raised in

579
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: in in in a farm area outside of Chicago that

580
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: became like now it's like a big Chicago subdivision in Naperville.

581
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: I think, Uh, she's a w g N listener because

582
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: she's like Chicago Cubs. Even when she moved four or

583
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: five hours away from Chicago up into Michigan, she would

584
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: do anything possible to try to get w g N.

585
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: So I grew up with w g N always playing.

586
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: She liked the Cubs games all that Cloud used to go.

587
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: So this would have been in the I was born

588
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: in seventy four. This has been like late seventies, early eighties.

589
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 1: Cloud would go on w g N. Tell a story

590
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: now and then no one like we knew about him.

591
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: No one knew about him as a point. It wasn't

592
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: like a thing is like, we had a very like

593
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: specific entry into Cloud, but we liked them a lot.

594
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: So we probably had the eight tracks at a time,

595
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: but we had like Jerry Clowder cassette tapes in the

596
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: car and my parents would find this stuff and buy

597
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: it and we would listen to Cloud. And then even

598
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: in all through like high school, all through college, within

599
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: my like immediate group of friends, we would make Clouder

600
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: references all the time. Yeah, if we were describing a

601
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 1: tree that did you'd be like, there wasn't a limb

602
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: on it for a while, right, Yeah, And like we

603
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: had all these Clowder jokes we would run. Later, when

604
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: I was in graduate school, this guy there's this novelist

605
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: from Mississippi named Larry Brown from Oxford, Mississippi, and he

606
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 1: kind of like took me on his wing a little

607
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: bit and we became buddies, would go drinking together and stuff.

608
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: He actually passed away or had a heart attack when

609
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: he was young. Um. I was like, oh, you know,

610
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: one day we're just talking and I said to Larry Brown,

611
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're from Mississippi. Have you ever heard of

612
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: the guy Jerry Clower not only that he hung out

613
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: with Jerry Clowder And that's what made me think that

614
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: you like the Mississippi people, Southern people whatever, like somehow

615
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: all know each other. And Larry Brown would talk about

616
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: how he was friends with Jerry. We're talking about how

617
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: Jerry had a rule for himself that he wouldn't tell

618
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 1: a story on stage on a radio show, that he

619
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't stand, that he wouldn't feel comfortable standing up front

620
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: of his church and tell him and what Clara died. Yeah,

621
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: it wasn't too terribly much longer than that. Uh, Larry

622
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: Brown died. Um, but that was the first person outside

623
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: of my immediate circle that I ever encountered the knew

624
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: who that guy was. So so my biggest question was

625
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: how big of a national phenomena Jerry Clowd was because

626
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: he was on the Grand Old Opry, which would have had,

627
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: you know, a national presence, but he was. I talked

628
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: to Dr Brooks Levins, who was kind of an Ozark's

629
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: regional expert, and I just kind of pitched an email

630
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: to him like, hey, what do you know any think

631
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: about Jerry Clowd. He knows quite a bit about other

632
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: Southern cultural related stuff. And his comment to me was

633
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: that he felt like Clara was kind of a regional phenomena.

634
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: And and you know, he acknowledged that he would have

635
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: been known at the wider scale, but you know, obviously

636
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: the hub of his the hub of his, his base

637
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: was clearly the South. But Clara also talked about traveling

638
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 1: up in the Northeast and telling stories. He actually in

639
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: in one of the books that he has, a book

640
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: called Stories from Home, and it really was just a

641
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: transcription of a big long interview they did with him,

642
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 1: and he talked about when he was in the South

643
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 1: he could tell stories just real freely, without explanation of stuff,

644
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: and when he was anywhere else he would his stories

645
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: would be longer because he would say something like boiled

646
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 1: okra and he would have to qualify it tree. Yeah,

647
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: then he got where he had to explain the terms

648
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: for everybody. Well and just here and you say that, you,

649
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I was surprised. I actually considered text in

650
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: you that week that we were building this, which was

651
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: just last week, and I was gonna say, do you

652
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: know who Jerry Clowd is? And I do remember, I

653
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: remember now you're telling me that yeah, yeah, I do

654
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: remember you telling if you want to get if you

655
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: want to increase the number. Like you might say to someone,

656
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: do you know who Jerry Clowder is? They're gonna say no,

657
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: then say to him this. Imagine back to when you

658
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: were a kid. Do you remember a magic bait commercial

659
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: in which a man said, it'll fling a craven on him.

660
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: Speaking of magic the use of magic bait, will fling

661
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: a craven on the catfish. That is Jerry Clowder. So

662
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: he did a commercial for that company and it was

663
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: like magic bait, It'll fling a craven on him. That's Jerry.

664
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: That was Jerry Clowder's voice, and that will get a

665
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: lot a lot of people be like, oh, yeah, I

666
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: remember that. I'd be like, if you you're the guy,

667
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,959
Speaker 1: the milk guy Verne and all that, What the hell's

668
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: that guy's name? I don't remember. Yeah, you can say like, hey,

669
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: do you remember his name? He was born when a

670
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: lot of your life happened. It sounds so funny too,

671
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:10,959
Speaker 1: because what you're talking about the intersection of the core

672
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: demographic and where that core demographic overlaps with the magic

673
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: catfish bait. I think you may be giving it too

674
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: much credit because the widespread phenomena that had six people,

675
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: I got it. Uh, buddy in in Alabama who is

676
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: just like your classic soft spoken storytelling dude and his

677
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: he knows that it just had giant repertoire Jerry Clower stories.

678
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: But and he'll just like slow roll him out for you,

679
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: you know, and their their first person stories, right, and

680
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: so after the very first one, you're like, oh, I

681
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: get it. This is not your story. Is just a

682
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: good story. But there's a great one about this kind

683
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: of wealth due gentleman. He's out there squirrel hunting, not

684
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: doing very good, and here comes this this boy up

685
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: the road is just obviously from from a lower class

686
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: society right the other side of the tracks. And he's

687
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: got a bunch of squirrels hanging from his belt but

688
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 1: no gun or anything. And and he's a son. Looks

689
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: like you're doing pretty good. And so yes, yes, sir, yes, sir.

690
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: You know all Clowder stories are like very polite and

691
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: uh talks, you know, addresses the squirrel squirrels on the

692
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: kid's belt after giving him a spare apple, and they're

693
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: there talking about, uh, the squirrel season, and he says, well, son,

694
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: I see you don't have a gun. He says, no, sir,

695
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: uh use a sling or or just slings Rocks said,

696
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: And he said, I just chuck rocks, just chuck rocks

697
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: at him. Yeah, And and pretty soon as squirrel presents

698
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: itself and and and you guy says, son, why why

699
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: don't you take a crack at that thing? And so

700
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: I think, like left handed, he wings a rock up there,

701
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: knocks squirrel off the tree, and ties another squirrel to

702
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: his belt. And the gist of the story is it's like, oh, man,

703
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: I and you're like you're a lefty to boot or

704
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: something like that, and the kids like, oh no, sir, my,

705
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: my papa won't let me use my right hand. I

706
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: beat him up too much, he said, is he had

707
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: those squirrels tucked up under his belt and it looked

708
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: like a squirrel hula skirt. You know, I it had

709
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: been a long time since I had listened to Jerry Clower,

710
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: and when I was driving to Amtt County, Mississippi, I

711
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: listened to NonStop on on Spotify and Amazon Music. They

712
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: have Jerry Clower's greatest hits. They have um, Possums, Peaches

713
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: and possums. So there's different albums and then they have

714
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: clower power, so there's three albums. There's some deep cuts

715
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: on Spotify too though, or maybe no, you can find

716
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: some deep cuts maybe on YouTube. But I feel like

717
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: there's some deep cuts on can say there's there's more.

718
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying hidden gems? Yeah? Yeah, deep

719
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: cuts is like a term for stuff no one knows

720
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: about besides B sides and music. I was actually kind

721
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: of surprised to find it so easily on these main plats.

722
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: Amazing that it's out there. Yeah, yeah, I listen to

723
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: ask the guys that Spotify. I bet they're not aware.

724
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: If you went to the if you met like the

725
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: CEO Spotify, really, you know, I appreciate you guys got

726
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: some clower up. There's gonna be like, oh yeah, that

727
00:44:54,640 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: was negotiations all the way from the top. Um. I

728
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: think it's all those stories are so like wholesome that

729
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: it's it's due for resurgence, right, Like all I do

730
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: is read up to date, like periodical all all day,

731
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: every day, and it's it's amazing, like how stories like

732
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: that now triggers such an emotional response because everything else

733
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: like you have to suck all the emotion out of

734
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: it just to get through and be like, oh, a

735
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: bunch of people dying, but you know the environment getting destroyed. Uh,

736
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: And then you're like, he's actually right handed. I love it.

737
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: I love it. You know. There there were a couple

738
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: of things that that did stand out to me. I

739
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: never really thought I would have never thought of Klower

740
00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: as intentionally like a clean comedian. I mean like we

741
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: just listened to him, and it's just kind of like

742
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: who he was. You didn't compare him up against somebody

743
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 1: who is different than him. Klower overlap with George Carlin,

744
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: Richard Pryor, all right. I mean folks that started they

745
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: were the ones who started cussing. Yeah. Yeah, Well, I

746
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: I appreciated well going back in and reading his and

747
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the most in depth, but

748
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: you know that book Stories from Home, Like he made

749
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: a very intentional decision. And I said it on the

750
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: podcast because I've I value stuff like that when somebody

751
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: has a has a strategy that is against the trend

752
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: and they just do that strategy. And he he said

753
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: that some of somebody at Hollywood exact or somebody that

754
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 1: was you know over him said hey, man, you're you're

755
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: gonna have to be more risk ay if you want

756
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: to be nationally known. And in his words quote he said,

757
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: I defied them, you know, and he uh and he

758
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 1: just stuck with who he was. You know, he didn't

759
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: he did. He didn't let it change him. And that's

760
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: what I appreciate is he he didn't let it change him.

761
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 1: And man, that is what. Yeah. You know, I talked

762
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: to John Newman for like two hours and you probably

763
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: heard maybe twenty six minutes of John Newman talking about Jerry,

764
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: and the main thing that he wanted to tell me

765
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: it was just what an incredible guy Jerry was just

766
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: as a neighbor and a friend, and the things he

767
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: would do for you in private. So I mean, he

768
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 1: was just this genuine guy, but clearly a comedic genius.

769
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: And what I I asked John, I said, I said,

770
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: do you think Jerry was? And I knew the answer

771
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: to this. I just kind of want to see what

772
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: he would say. I said, how is Jerry influenced by

773
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: the people around him? And I know the answer because

774
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: I know the way that I talk and tell stories

775
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: is a hundred percent. I mean I could track, I

776
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: could point it back to the people in different things

777
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: that I do that. I mean, it's not like I'm

778
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: trying to imitate them. Just you hear someone talk, can

779
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: you hear someone tell a story? And it's just that

780
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: communication style you identify with it, and then you kind

781
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: of adopted in and recognize that it. It's like it's effective,

782
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 1: it's a it's an effective way, it's an even even

783
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: a cultural way to do something. And so you create this,

784
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: you know, inside of your personality in the way you communicate,

785
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 1: you tell stories. Man, Jerry had to have been surrounded

786
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 1: by some big characters down there in the South. John

787
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: didn't really he you know, he just said, you know

788
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: a lot of Jerry's stuff was just natural, and which

789
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: it certainly was, and he kind of came up with

790
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: his own unique style. But man, I guarantee you those

791
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: guys down there that's they told stories like that and

792
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 1: the other thing. And I'd like to hear you guys

793
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: thoughts on it. Jerry is the one who said he

794
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: said I'm not a comedian. Uh well no, no, don't no, no.

795
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: Somebody said Jerry wasn't as much a comedian as he

796
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 1: was a humorist. And then the quote from Jerry Cloud

797
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: was he said, I don't tell funny stories. I tell

798
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: stories funny and I know that I know that that exists,

799
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: but I completely disagree. I mean, he did tell funny stories,

800
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: but I think what he was talking about was he

801
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: always had the hook and the part of the story

802
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: that was really funny, which was a funny story, but

803
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,959
Speaker 1: all the stuff up until that, like I'm from East Fork,

804
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: Mississippi and Amit County and dada da da da da

805
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: da da dada. I mean, like he's just that's not

806
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: funny stuff. But he told it funny. I think that's

807
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: what he meant. You know, I got you, but he

808
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: like there's an interview where I can't remember it was

809
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: Larry David or Jerry Seinfeld talking about the writing of

810
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 1: Seinfeld Okay, and that they eventually realized that when someone

811
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 1: goes somewhere, like you can't have a scene in a

812
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: bowling alley because something needs to happen there, because they

813
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: have to be in the bowling alley for a funny reason,

814
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: and then something funny can happen at the bowling alley.

815
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: Everybody has to be somewhere for a funny reason, right,

816
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: You don't just haven't set for no reason in the

817
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: bowling alley so that someone can meet someone's mom. It's

818
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 1: like they go to the bowling alley for and if

819
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: you if you watch, curb your enthusiasm. Everywhere they go

820
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: like they're already there for a funny reason, and then

821
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: something funny happens, like Clower. I mean, probably my favorite

822
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: Clower story is the the guy that uses the monkey

823
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: to hunt raccoons, the monkey with the pistol in the flashlight. Okay,

824
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: like they're out there's a funny punch line. But they're

825
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 1: out in the swamp for a funny reason because the

826
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: guy is like, I can hunt. I could kill more

827
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: coons than anybody with this monkey than anyone with a dog. Right,

828
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: So they're out in the swamp for a funny reason.

829
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 1: Like he follows and he was doing his way before

830
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: those guys are doing it. But I'm saying, like he

831
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: follows the road map of comedy. Yeah, well he did it.

832
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: He's like it's like he is h he's pioneering for sure,

833
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: but he's definitely like like has a hole. He's like

834
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: a honed craft. He's got a different approach though too. Okay,

835
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: and I touched on this a bit last night. But

836
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: it's like it's like a fable, right, and he starts

837
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: with like the basis of something, and he's like, oh,

838
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 1: but wouldn't it be funny if it happened like this?

839
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: And this is the end result. When Norm McDonald passed away,

840
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,760
Speaker 1: I was watching a lot of Norm McDonald. I'm still

841
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: I'm still, I'm still doing it. And if, like Conan

842
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: O'Brien posted this thing, is like the funniest guest was

843
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: Norm McDonald and and he laboriously tells this joke and

844
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: and it's it's a joke that you've heard in some

845
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: way before, and it's like a fly walks into um

846
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: like a barber shop, and it's telling telling the barber

847
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: about all the bad things in his life and everything,

848
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: and and the barber is find like, well, you know,

849
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: next door is the therapist office. He says, I know,

850
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: and he keeps telling him about it, and he said, no,

851
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: the next door is the therapist office. He said, why

852
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: are you in the barbershop and he said, well, because

853
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: he had the light on. So it's a moth, right,

854
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: it was a moth. But Norm McDonald tells it on

855
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: live TV and as if the whole other world only

856
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: showed up to hear this, like whatever story of his,

857
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: and it's so belabored and it is. It is one

858
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: of the funniest, funniest things I've seen in the telling.

859
00:52:55,560 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: And so Clouer kind of you know, it wasn't his joke.

860
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: He just built up the world around the world around it.

861
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: And so Clower like everybody's heard this anecdotal joke. Uh,

862
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: you know, I always say, you know, a couple of

863
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 1: guys sitting around and oh, a nice shot. Another guy

864
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: turns around and goes, should see me with my right hand?

865
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: See me with my left hand? Right? And it's like,

866
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: that is the joke. We've all heard it a good

867
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: jillion times, but you put it in the context like

868
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 1: two people from different worlds out in the squirrel woods

869
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: bump into each other, have this moment together, and then

870
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: should see me with my right hand? Yeah? He yeah,

871
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: he like could dress up, he could take like a

872
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 1: simple joke and dress it up and put it in

873
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,439
Speaker 1: an eight minute context. But like the one I wrenched earlier,

874
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: that the suspender thing that's not telling a story funny, Yeah,

875
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: it's a kid who got to suspend. It's like it

876
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: is funny. Yeah, yeah, that was for sure. And a

877
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: monkey with Ashly isn't telling the story time though he

878
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: I mean, he covers both. He's such a musical performer too.

879
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: He's he's very dynamic. Is the highs are high and

880
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: the lows are low, and you have to kind of

881
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: strain to listen. He draws you in and pushes you

882
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: away and brings you back in. Norm McDonald, who's you know,

883
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: incredibly funny as perfect timing. He's not dynamic in that way. Yeah,

884
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: he's very dead pand that funny. Yeah, I got you.

885
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: I just realized the two things I need to tell you.

886
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: You can get around to mean when you want, but

887
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: to help me remember mccullach, chainsaws yea and details but

888
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: say whatever you want. Remember I was just gonna say

889
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: I wanted to make a whole section about it on

890
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: the podcast. But his sound effects, he when I listened

891
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: to him, like, I start to laugh inside every time

892
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: he goes whoa. He kind of has a growling man

893
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: in that coon that I mean, you know, you just

894
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: can't replicate at and you could tell it was so

895
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: natural and it was the most fascinating thing. And I

896
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't have known this about Clower. You know that he

897
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: he was forty five years old. He was a fertilizer

898
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: salesman from Mississippi Chemical and it was just a funny guy.

899
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he had built a whole life, a whole

900
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 1: life as just this country salesman. He sounded that such

901
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: a joyful spirit, and maybe for all of those decades

902
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: of his life he soaked up a whole lot. I mean, honestly,

903
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:35,959
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't grow up in a chicken coop.

904
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: I grew up in a concrete box, and I had

905
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: not heard of somebody doesn't just show up in New

906
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: York City crib And just to follow up on that,

907
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: I I My favorite part of the podcast Clay was

908
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: listening to Brent Reeves recall him their meeting. He sounded

909
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: so wistful, he emotional. He remembered every tiny detail. You're

910
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: a pretty boy. I'll never forget. That's the thing you

911
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 1: cannot say to something, that you are a pretty boy.

912
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I'm taking off. Uh what what was

913
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: your thought? Had you ever heard a joke on now?

914
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 1: I had not? Um and my yeah, my yeah, totally surprising, right.

915
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: My first interaction with his comedy was listening to your

916
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 1: episode yesterday, which I had to pause right and to

917
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: go play the chainsaw Monkey, to play the motor Yeah, yeah,

918
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: I was cackling. I mean it was just his his delivery,

919
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: his spirit. It just hearing him was so feel good

920
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: and so funny. I I was driving while listening, and

921
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 1: it was probably a dangerous situation because his the Okrah

922
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: line about it so much that just people and were

923
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: too just it's I don't know, you know, the delivery,

924
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: the energy that everything, even if not necessarily relatable. He

925
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: it seemed maybe after you know, starting late in his life,

926
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: that he perhaps had already h solidified to a great

927
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: degree his confidence in himself, his sense of who he was,

928
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: and that his comedy was maybe so good because it

929
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: was him being him and and and relaying stories in

930
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: a funny way, or funny stories from the entirety and

931
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: the breath of his experience. I just found it so delightful,

932
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: you know, him being to our dinner guest last night.

933
00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: He was a comedian. He said that confidence is such

934
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: an important part comedy, just being confident in who you are.

935
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: And at forty five, after dealing with you know, all

936
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: these farmers, for all these years go on and selling

937
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: chemicals and and selling fertilizer like he was. He knew

938
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: who he was. I think when he stepped in the

939
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: show biz, it was just a matter of shifting a

940
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: few things around and just kind of being who he was.

941
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: You know. That's what was so cool about him. Business

942
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: is a beautiful thing too, because he's like here, you

943
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,439
Speaker 1: walk into any Cooper right and be like, I know

944
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: you need what I'm selling? Yeah, do you want to

945
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: buy it for me? I bet. There's some stories all

946
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: over the south of him, uh, you know, in his

947
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: role of well of people, stories of him as the salesman. Hey, lastly,

948
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: well we'll go, we'll end with your chainsaw stuff. But

949
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: and details real quick. I was. I was very glad

950
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: to I would not have known about Jerry's positions on

951
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: race in the seventies. I just looked it up. I

952
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: was just like, I just typed in something about that,

953
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: and immediately it popped up some of his quotes and

954
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 1: people saying Jerry was thirty years ahead of race. I

955
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: thought that was noteworthy. Yeah, he'd get he'd get I mean,

956
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: he'd still get canceled now if you listen to everything

957
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: he does because like his jokes about women's liberation and stuff.

958
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: They may come after him pretty hard. Yeah, he wouldn't

959
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: say him, but they'd come after him hard about it. Yeah, man,

960
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: any of these comedians you could with a little historical revision,

961
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: we just wipe him out. You know, his whole big

962
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: joke about how good his wife's got it. Yeah, you

963
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: don't want to mess with what mama's got his his like,

964
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: his whole thing is he looks at the woman's liberation

965
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: movement and what they're after, and then he talks about

966
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: how how grave he is if has it, and he's like,

967
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: she do a want to know that ship? Yeah? Yeah, yeah.

968
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: McCulloch chainsaw. Oh, it was funny. In the show they

969
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: were talking about you associating Clowers chainsaw from the famous

970
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: talking chainsaw um and your old man having a mccullic.

971
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: So our family chainsaw was a McCulloch yellow McCulloch and uh,

972
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 1: it was just funny because it was like we understood

973
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: later that, like it took note of the fact that

974
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: Marcel's chainsaw was the chainsaw we owned, which I don't

975
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: know what the hell happened to that company, but I

976
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: was in the chainsaw tree business for a lot of

977
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: years and never laid eyes on another McCullah. As he

978
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: puts it, another thing you hit on, uh is his

979
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: use of detail. And he's like a very good in

980
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: that way, a very good, technically proficient writer. And the

981
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,479
Speaker 1: thing I returned to is his like the coon hunting story,

982
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: his most famous story, his description of um the tree,

983
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: like if you listen carefully to his description of like

984
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: how big the tree is, He's so efficient, but it's

985
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: like how big the tree is the person that's going

986
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: to climb the tree, what their attitude is about tree climbing.

987
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: When they take off their shoes, they don't just take

988
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: off their shoes, they take off a pair of Brogan shoes,

989
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: which was like the poor working person's It told you

990
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: who this guy was most It was like the most functional,

991
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: like poor. It would be like if you were like

992
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, to be like he took

993
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: off his hush puppies right, and you'd be like, got it,

994
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: Like I know everything about that kid. Now I know

995
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: about that kid's parents sensibilities, like he took off his

996
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: tough skins. Okay, you'd be like got it, Like I

997
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: know that person's parents, I grew up with that person.

998
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: He takes off a pair of Brogan shoes and then

999
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: the thing too. He says, I pointed this out. I

1000
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: told cran about this later. Is um, you know sweet

1001
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: gums got smooth bark, kind of a soft smooth bark,

1002
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: and that he buries his toenails into the bar to

1003
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: start climbing. It's like, this is like beautiful build of

1004
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: like very telling details. You know. As I said that,

1005
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: I was envisioning like trying to tell a kuldnhun story

1006
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: like him. And I had the same thought about how

1007
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: efficient he was, even with detail, because sometimes someone tells

1008
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 1: the story and you're like, okay, come on, speed it up,

1009
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: like too much, you know, there's too much detail. And

1010
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: he he would give you just the right amount of

1011
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: detail and the places you needed it and then skip.

1012
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just natural, Like I I doubt he's

1013
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 1: sat down and really thought about it much. It was

1014
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: just instinctual. But a lot of his a lot of

1015
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 1: his you know, comedy. The different routines were like under

1016
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: two minutes, like the chandelier one. That is a perfect

1017
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: joke that the chandelier story like that, that's like a

1018
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: minute in fifty seconds. Yeah, I just it's not I mean,

1019
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: no one really likes to hear someone breakdown a joke

1020
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: and tell you why it's funny. But I love that

1021
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 1: he stands up. He's like, well, no one could spell

1022
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: chandelier anyway, so I don't think. I don't why are

1023
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: we doing this? And you're like, ha ha, that's funny.

1024
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: And also no one could play this chandelier. And then

1025
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: as a listener like huh what And then then of

1026
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: the punchline, I much rather spend the money and getting

1027
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: some lights in here. It's just it's just so it's perfect.

1028
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: And then as you heard from John Newman that that

1029
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: actually happened. That was one of the stories that just

1030
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: like straight up happened, and Jerry just told it, you know,

1031
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,959
Speaker 1: which is pretty amazing. Now, what I hope this does

1032
01:03:56,080 --> 01:04:00,439
Speaker 1: is everybody can go find some Jerry Clower. It would

1033
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: be hard. I think it would be hard for anybody

1034
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 1: to listen to that and not find some bit of enjoyment.

1035
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: I've seen it happen. I've seen it happen every person

1036
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: that I over the years, every person that like we

1037
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: travel with on the crew, I've I've subjected them to

1038
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 1: klower most of them get something out of I've seen

1039
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: something where just as like this, yeah no connection, yeah

1040
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 1: down the internet, and I'm like, I like it, really

1041
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 1: this really like no part of this. Like I do

1042
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: think you have to have some connection to work. I

1043
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 1: think you have to have some connection to world one. Now,

1044
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: you just got to be a cold person. If I

1045
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 1: was a cold blood running through your veins. Yea. The

1046
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 1: pheasants forever, quail forever, the old talking. A couple of

1047
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: weeks ago and over and over, I had a bunch

1048
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 1: of a little talks on the stage there and over

1049
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: and over again. People would be, well, how to any

1050
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: tips for getting first time hunters into and it's kind

1051
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: of like this Jerry Clowd thing, like I don't understand

1052
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: how you couldn't like it. And for me, upland bird

1053
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 1: hunting is the same way. I'm like, lots of exercise,

1054
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: beautiful country dogs doing doing their dog thing, doing the

1055
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 1: thing that they're made to do. And my success rate

1056
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: in taking first time upland bird hunters out who really

1057
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: want to go again is next to zero. Shot my

1058
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: gun and I got Jerry Clower was a big coil

1059
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: hunter man. We we don't have time to get into it,

1060
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 1: but he he said something that I thought was great detail.

1061
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 1: I don't think I brought it up in the episode,

1062
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: but when in the story of when he had to

1063
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 1: shoot Uncle Very's meal, when he had to put it

1064
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: down Uncle Vert, he went to Uncle Versey's and said, Hey,

1065
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,439
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna hunt on your property. And Uncle

1066
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 1: Versy goes, oh, that's great. There's seven right covies between

1067
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: here and the road. I thought that was a that's

1068
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 1: how that's something somebody would say, that's right cove between.

1069
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: That was another I know where you're trying to wrap

1070
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: it up. That was another running joke with me my friends,

1071
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 1: and just like teenage years is dealing with landowners and

1072
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: trying to get permissions. There was a joke where it's like,

1073
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: only people that do that would get how receptive when

1074
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 1: he goes to get permission, Oh, I'm so glad you

1075
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: come out and hunt my place. Only someone who's like

1076
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: dealt with like permissions all the time would find it

1077
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: funny that like Jerry goes to get permission to the

1078
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: guys like so glad. Yeah, we've been saving them for you. Man.

1079
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 1: There's so many jewels inside of that and so it's

1080
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 1: been a lot of fun. Thank you guys for being

1081
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 1: on the Burglary Surrender. Thank you much appreciated. Yeah, I

1082
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 1: hope the the original crew doesn't have too much of

1083
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 1: a problem. You would like to say, what's up to

1084
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: the porkrass cracklands? Correct? Who's how to do it right? Boys? Yeah,

1085
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 1: and Lady