1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The volume. The Colin Cowherd Podcast brought to you by 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy on 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. Whether you love basketball, golf, soccer, or any 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: fantasy sport. There is a contest for every fan Fan 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. So I saw the story 6 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: of Patrick Ewing, the former Nick Great now a coach 7 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: at Georgetown. They wouldn't let him into Madison Square Garden 8 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: because the security didn't recognize him. He's Patrick freaking Ewing. 9 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: And then there's the Charles Oakley moment, one of the 10 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: most beloved players got into a fight with security guards. 11 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel like the Knicks do everything shy of 12 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: throwing stuff at players when they enter the building. Conversely, 13 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: look at the Lakers. There's statues for announcers, there's statues 14 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: for former players, there's banners everywhere. Even when stars like 15 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: Magic Johnson come worked for the club and it's kind 16 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: of a disaster as a coach and a GM, they 17 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: put their arms around him and say that's okay, you're 18 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: a Laker, and two weeks later he's lobbying for the team. 19 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: Maybe that's why players want to play for the Lakers. 20 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: They take care of their stars. There's something to be 21 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: said about how you treat your stars as a franchise. 22 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: You ever noticed that with a Red Sox everybody that 23 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: leaves Ted Williams, Manny Ramirez, Nomar Garcia, Para. There's always backstabbing. 24 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: The Yankees are always looking for a day to bring 25 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: you back and give you a bobble head day. You 26 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: watch these franchises, they're stars. You get two to three 27 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:57,559 Speaker 1: a decade, could you, I don't know. Tell security, here's 28 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: twelve guys that are legends. If they walk in, just 29 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: let them go. Maybe it's just because in Los Angeles 30 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: there's stars everywhere and they're treated like royalty. We're just 31 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: used to celebrities here. Maybe it's because in New York 32 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: it's a tougher town. They want to push back, make 33 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: you earn the respect. But like Patrick Dewing had what 34 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: twenty thousand points, I think if I try to get 35 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: into Madison Square Garden, they'd be like, you're a sports guy, right, 36 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: come on in, Patrick Ewing, never seen you before, no 37 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: idea who you are? Doesn't he have like a jersey 38 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: hanging in the rafters. Isn't this picture anywhere? This is 39 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: why they never land big free agents. This is why 40 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: nobody wants to play there. How you treat your stars 41 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: goes a long way with players they watch stuff like that. 42 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: Think about Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant clearly likes New York. 43 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:55,119 Speaker 1: Could have gone either way and he chose Brooklyn. How 44 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: many titles do they have? Didn't it catch us all 45 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: off guard? What does that tell you? The funny thing 46 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: about the Knicks is you heard rumors they're close to 47 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: Lebron They're gonna land Kad. Have you ever notice this? 48 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: They never land anybody. Why would you want to play 49 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: for an organization that couldn't recognize Patrick Ewing? Is it 50 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: really shocking? The Brooklyn Nets on their roster currently have Kad, 51 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: James Harden, Kyrie Irving, and Blake Griffin, and the Knicks 52 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: have Obi Toppin, Julius Randall, Derek Rose and Emmanuel Quickly 53 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: think about this. Steve Kerr idolized Phil Jackson. Phil Jackson's 54 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: the GM offered Steve Kerr the job for the New 55 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: York Knicks. Steve Kerr's like, let's see legendary franchise my 56 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: idol as a coach? Nah, not interested whatsoever. It's time 57 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: to sell the franchise. Maybe move the franchise, or get 58 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: a security guard who recognizes Patrick Ewing. It's not like 59 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: he's a utility infielder at five six. He's seven feet tall. 60 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: Doesn't that eliminate ninety nine percent of New York City Listen, 61 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: it's a bad sign when your security plays better defense 62 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: than your team. Well, he added stability and a presence 63 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: to the Washington football team and with no preseason, no camps, 64 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: in a pandemic, about six seven games in, suddenly they 65 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: look like the best team in their division. He got 66 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: to a super Bowl with Carolina. He was a great 67 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: linebacker for the Chicago Bears. And most defensive coaches are 68 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: known as conservative. Not him. It's Riverboat Ron and he 69 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: is now joining us on the colun Coward podcast. So 70 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: let's start with that. I got a lot of friends 71 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: who are coaches, Dave Juan stats and these defensive coaches Ron, 72 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: they'd rather run at forty two times, a couple screen 73 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: passes and let's go in, let's go home dinner. We won. 74 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: You are more of a risk taker. So where does 75 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: that come from? Well, you know, it's interesting column because 76 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: the guy that gave me my first shot was was 77 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: coach Wanstead. And I truly appreciate him for I really do, 78 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,799 Speaker 1: and he's a neat guy. But you know what happened 79 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: was I was conservative when I first got started as 80 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: a head coach, and my first two years I had 81 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,239 Speaker 1: a record of being three and thirteen a games decided 82 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: by six points or less. After my second season, the 83 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: former owner Jerry Richardson, Mister Richardson told me, you know, 84 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: you need a mentor somebody to talk to. He said, 85 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: I want you to talk to John Madden. He's a friend. 86 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: He and I have been talking about you. He said 87 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: he'd loved to visit. So I said sure. So I 88 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: call coach Madden. We have a great conversation. He says, hey, 89 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: why don't you come see me, sit down, let's talk. 90 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: I said, okay, great. He said, by the way, before 91 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: you come see me, you know, you know I know 92 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: that record of three and thirteen. I said yeah. He goes, 93 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: why don't you go look at those thirteen games you 94 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: lost and see if you could have done something different. 95 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: So I said, okay, So I went back. I looked 96 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: at each one of those games, and you know, I 97 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: looked at the fourth quarter and I wrote a bunch 98 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: of notes and took a bunch of thoughts down and 99 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: and so I finished this report. I go out and 100 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: I see coach Madden out in Pleasanton, California, where his 101 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: offices are. I go in and we sit down and 102 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: we start chit chatting, and I say, I got that 103 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: little assignment you gave me. He said, what the homework 104 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: you gave me about about the thirteen losses? And so 105 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: I go to handed to him. He looks at me, 106 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: that's not for me, that's for you. What did you learn? 107 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: I said, well, I did everything by the book. You know, 108 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: I punted, you know when you should have punted. I 109 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: kicked the field goal. You should have kicked the field goal. 110 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: And he goes, how that ended up for you? Said, well, 111 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: I was three and thirteen and gave decided by six 112 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: points or less. He said, exactly. He said, Ron, there 113 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: is no book. You've played enough football, you've coached enough football, 114 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: You've been around enough football to make decisions based on 115 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: your gut, on your field, on your experience. He said, 116 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: use that instead of this book. And so I did. 117 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: So I go into my third year and we're playing 118 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: the Giants at home and in our first drive, I 119 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: go for it on fourth down, we convert, get the 120 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: first down, score a touchdown. Then we go to Minnesota 121 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: two weeks later, and in our first drive, I go 122 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: for it twice on fourth down, convert both of them. 123 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: In fact, the second time went for it, it was 124 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: fourth and two from the two yard line, and we 125 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: went for it and scored a touchdown, and lo and behold. 126 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: Since from that point on, Riverboat Round was born. By 127 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: the way, I know so many people who have called 128 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: Madden he's a great advice giver. He really is. Yes, yeah, 129 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: you don't know. I did. I've seen him and talk 130 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: to him. I've seen him on about five different occasions. 131 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: I've talked to him on the phone several occasions, so 132 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: I actually own a phone call and each I've got this. 133 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: I've got these notes. I got these pages and pages 134 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: of notes. I've you know, hand wrote them all and 135 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: then I transcribed them all. I got them all saved 136 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: on my computer, and I'm telling you, I go through 137 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: and I read them about once every you know, probably 138 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: three or four months, just as a reminder. I go 139 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: through them. And one of the first things that he 140 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: said to me, he said, Ron, don't ever forget you're 141 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: the head coach. That's one of the first things I 142 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: have in my notes is one of the first things 143 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: he said to me, and that is, don't ever forget 144 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: you're the head coach. I thought, wow, And I see 145 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: that every time I pulled those notes out and I 146 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: look at it. There it is, look at me right 147 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: in the face. Well, you've got a presence. And I've 148 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: always believed that the coach has to have a presence. 149 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: And you're dealing with alpha males. You got to make 150 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: tough decisions sometimes you got to be confrontational when and 151 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: you've had some ass chewings and you've had some great 152 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 1: speeches I've seen. I've seen a lot of them. Has 153 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: there ever been a moment ron where you walked out 154 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: and thought, a dah, it's too hard on him, that 155 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: that was. Have you ever done that? Yeah, I've done 156 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: that a couple at times. Um. It's funny because, um, 157 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: you worry about you know, I want to say, I 158 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 1: don't use the word breaking, but you worry about, you know, 159 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: crushing a guy's confidence. That's right. And you walk out 160 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,719 Speaker 1: and you always go, oh god, jeez, I really just 161 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: say that, you know, and lo and behold. The player 162 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: comes around, says coach, I really appreciate that. I you know, 163 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: so okay, I guess I guess I didn't. I didn't 164 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: crush him. You know it is sometimes you do worry 165 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: that you you know, because there is a fine line. 166 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: But I will say this, the one thing the guys 167 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: I've learned the guys really appreciate is that is that 168 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 1: when you do it, you're doing it because you believe 169 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: it's what's best for them. Right. That is going to 170 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: help them as much as it's going to help the team. 171 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: That I think is important. The player's got to understand 172 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: that you are truly trying to help them be better. Well, 173 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: we talked about this on my show. More than once 174 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: you start one and four pandemic, no tas Alex at 175 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: this hurt. You got a rookie quarterback and you end 176 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: up you kind of find your footing in October and 177 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: I want you to take me back. Maybe it's a 178 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: car ride, an epiphany, a coaching meeting. But you sat 179 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: there and you told the guys, maybe it's a coach. 180 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: You're like, we're turning this thing around. I can see 181 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: us landing on our feet. Were close? What was interesting 182 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: was after our our fourth game and we lost it. 183 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: What really kind of shook me was just looking at 184 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: the players and I could just tell the players really 185 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: believe that they are better than that. And as I 186 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: was looking at the schedule, I kept thinking to myself, Man, 187 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 1: you know, we have an opportunity because the next six games, 188 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: you know, I think the combined record of the next 189 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: six teams or games we're gonna play was like, you know, 190 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: three and twelve or something like that, with something ridiculous. 191 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: I'm going, God, I mean, we have it if we 192 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: could win. And we only won three of those six. 193 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: But it got the ball rolling, is what it did, 194 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: and you could speel the confidence. And so that's when 195 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: I made the decision to to go in another direction. 196 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: Sat Duyne down, put the ball in Kyle's hand, and 197 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 1: what I decided was, you know, I could I could 198 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: continue with one guy and forsake fifty two, or I 199 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: could put one guy aside and try and develop the 200 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: other fifty two. And that's what I decided, was that 201 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: I had an opportunity. We had an opportunity to see 202 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: the rest of the team grow because you know it 203 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: just you know, Duyne just wasn't. It wasn't coming together 204 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: for Dwayne. Well. You know, I had talked to Urban 205 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: Meyer before that season and I said, Urban, is he 206 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: ready to be a franchise quarterback? And he said not now. 207 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: And you know, Urban's very complimentary of his players, Yes 208 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: he is. And you know, Ron, as you know, it's 209 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: pretty cruel quarterback. You're asked to be uniquely mature at 210 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: twenty two years old. I wasn't. And a lot of 211 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: time it's your parenting. A lot of time it's your background, 212 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: and you're just not ready for it. And when I 213 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: saw that cell phone thing, Ron, I'll be the first 214 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: tell you my instinct is, Oh, this is not gonna work. 215 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: This is not He's not ready for it, you know. 216 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: And by the way, I can name four other quarterbacks 217 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: I've seen in the last two years, and I remember 218 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: Johnny manziel I said he's not ready for it. It's 219 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: not ready to run a franchise of thirty year old men. 220 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: And I mean, did you try to get through or 221 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: did you just come to terms with Hey, he's not there. 222 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: This is not going to work for him. You know what. 223 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: I tried to come to terms with him. You know, 224 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: he's he's he's he's a very talented play he's got 225 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: he's got an NFL armor, legit arm. And there there's 226 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: a part of him that that that he wants to 227 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: he wants to want, but something keeps getting in the way. 228 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what it was. And and and and 229 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: that was the hard part because he puts in the 230 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: time and then he doesn't and you wonder where is he, 231 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: what's he doing? And then you see him over here 232 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: and you okay, and then you don't see him. Um, 233 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: and so I think the thing that he needs to 234 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: is just prioritized. I mean, the kid hasn't said he's 235 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: talented and if he ever does get it, he's going 236 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: to make an impact. Yeah, he's a big, strong kid 237 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: with an arm. But yes, yeah, I mean I had 238 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: heard things. I had sources enough in the league that 239 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: I had heard that he just wasn't he didn't quite 240 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: understand the commitment the Russell Wilson that and listen, it's 241 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: not fair. You should be able to be a quarterback 242 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: at forty four years old, but it doesn't work that way, 243 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: you know, because again there's there there's an intangible that 244 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: you have to have and as you said, if you're twenty. 245 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: If you're twenty and there's a group of thirty year olds, uh, 246 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: you better be as mature as them. So when I 247 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: looked Chase Young's obviously Justin Jefferson, Chase Young, um of 248 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 1: the top twelve picks in the draft. Well, I mean, 249 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: Chase is the Chase and Justin Herbert were the top 250 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: twelve picks. They're the two best players. But the draft 251 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: is tough. I went yesterday and looked at the top 252 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: twelve picks, four or five struggled. You had one of 253 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: the stars, um, and and it's not like your defensive 254 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: line needed you had a pass rush, but you said, 255 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna double down on what we're good at. And 256 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: that philosophy is interesting to me. Tell me about that. Well, 257 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: you know, I've heard it over and over again, and 258 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: I heard people say make your strength stronger. And that 259 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: was one of the things that we were looking to do. 260 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: You know, in in in today's game, your draft picks 261 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: come in and you take them, you know, and you 262 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: you know your your first segment, and you use them 263 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: for as long as you can on that Young contract, 264 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: and that makes it important, um, And that's what it 265 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: was for us. On the d line. But what really 266 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: stood out in my mind that that is that Chase 267 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: was one of those guys that we felt that that 268 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: makes other people around him better. He brings something special 269 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: to the table. And I will tell you this, his 270 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: infectious enthusiasm to play the game. You could see it 271 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: getting to our older guys. They loved it. They got 272 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: excited when he got excited. And he's one of those guys. 273 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: I think that that people are going to feed off 274 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: that energy. We got into a situation near the end 275 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: of the year. I made him a captain because I 276 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: watched how, you know, our veteran players were reacting to him, 277 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: and I said, I got to put him in the forefront, 278 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: and I did. He reacted very well. 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You know, I look at all 296 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: these contracts for quarterbacks, and then I watched the Super 297 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: Bowl and it was really Tampa's defense that overwhelmed Patrick Mahomes. 298 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: He was hurried thirty five times. And if it was offense, 299 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and Brett Farr would have twelve Super Bowls, 300 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: but they've never quite had the defense. Meanwhile, Jim McMahon 301 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 1: does because of defense. Brady almost always had a good defense. 302 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning rarely did his best too, he won a 303 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I look at these contracts for quarterbacks, and 304 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 1: Ron is their party that thinks this is a little 305 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: out of whack. You start looking at these big games. 306 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: We spent too much money on the offensive side. Yeah. 307 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: My big concern or anything else is the middle class. 308 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: You know, as a former player, I was a middle 309 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: class player, and I got a middle classed out in 310 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 1: other words, when when the salary cap came to be, 311 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: you know, they had they had these guys they had 312 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: to pay, and how they were going to cover the 313 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 1: rest of it as everybody was gonna be down here, 314 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: and so my middle class salary is what got me cut. 315 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: And that's kind of what I worry about. And when 316 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: you start seeing that, you go wow. Now as a coach, yeah, 317 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: I mean I worry about that because you know, you 318 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: you you spend that kind of money on a quarterback, 319 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: you know, with the salary cap the way it is now, 320 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 1: I mean that's that's almost twenty percent of your of 321 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: your of your salary cap. I'm one player. Do you 322 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: think being a former player gives you a personnel edge? 323 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: Are there times the hips, the burst the alpha? You 324 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: can sense it? Is there a player? You think to yourself, boy, 325 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: if I hadn't played I wouldn't have seen that, you 326 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: know what. I what it does. It gives me a 327 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 1: different perspective. Okay, to be fair, it doesn't make me 328 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 1: better than anybody else, but it gives me something that 329 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: if you haven't played the game, you can't say you've 330 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: experienced it and you have a sense and a field 331 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: for that. Um. I love watching guys when they you know, 332 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: when when when they're at the combine. I love watching 333 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: guys when they're doing their pro days because you can 334 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: see guys that are competing, and like you said, you 335 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: get that sense for who that alpha is, and you 336 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: also get a sense for who's not who who Who's 337 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: who's the fake alpha you because you can watch and 338 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: so that's something I think that that that that I 339 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: have because I played the game more so than anything else, 340 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: I think, you know, being able to see who fits 341 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: and how the hierarchy is of that group of players. 342 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: You know, we went and watched Cam Newton and what 343 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: happened was, um, you know, my first year as a 344 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: head coach, we go to Auburn to watch Cam. I 345 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: went a day early and I was just kind of 346 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: walking around the stadium because I had heard he was 347 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: going to have a workout with the guys that he 348 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: was going to do his pro day with him. So 349 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: I snuck in and I watched him from from a fire. 350 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: Nobody knew I was there. I take it back. One 351 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: of the one of the groundscrew guys let me in. 352 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: Nobody else knew I was there, and I watched him, 353 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: and I watched the way he interacted with those guys, 354 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: and I watched the way that everybody seemed to to 355 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: to follow. I mean, he was like the pied piper. 356 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,239 Speaker 1: They he orchestrated this, he orchestra and the guys just 357 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: went with him. The guys just fell in and and 358 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: and did exactly. I mean it. It's one of those 359 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: things that you just knew he's got that hit factor, 360 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: you know, And and I got to see it firsthand 361 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: with no cameras on, you know. Um, I mean, he 362 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: was sincere. He really showed how much he cared about 363 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: the guys. Uh, it was. It was cool. It's a 364 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: cool experience to see that. How how many players in 365 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: the locker room have that? Gosh? I would say there's 366 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: probably if if you're a lucky team, you've probably got 367 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: six of them. You know, you've got six legitimate guys, 368 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: um because you know, not everybody's not everybody's gonna follow 369 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: it just one guy, right, but you need you need 370 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: guys that that that have that and and those six 371 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 1: guys may have a different characteristic like you know, like 372 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: I I happened to catch Greg Olson and Thomas Davis 373 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: both retiring today. And it's funny because I saw both 374 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: those guys. I flipped on and I watched it UM 375 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: live and I thought to myself, Thomas Davis was the 376 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: heart and soul and Greg Olsen was the the pragmatic 377 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: leader that that that they this is how it is, 378 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: this is the truth. This you know what I'm saying. 379 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: You know, So they each brought something different in their 380 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: leadership style, but they but you have to have guys 381 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: like that. I mean, Thomas was the emotional heart and soul, 382 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: but Greg was so realistic about everything and he kept 383 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: everything real you know. Um, you know Luke was the 384 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: lead by example leader. You know that this is how 385 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 1: you study, this is how you prepare, this is how 386 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: you play type of guy. You know. Um, Ryan Khalil 387 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: was was was the guy that that just put his 388 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: whole heart into it. You know that that that that 389 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: he was, you know that he loved his team, that 390 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: type of guy. I mean, each guy had their own personality. 391 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: And I think it takes six really good leaders to 392 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: to to to to have all those qualities that you're 393 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: looking for. Yeah, because you can't be there all the time. 394 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: I mean it's just you don't have time in the 395 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: day to cover all the bases. And and you know 396 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 1: what this is, and I really do mean this is 397 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: when I had a real good sense and feel that 398 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: that twenty fifteen was going to be special. My older 399 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: brother Mickey passed away a few days before training camp started. 400 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: And we start training camp and I am making plans 401 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: to go to the funeral. I get ready to go 402 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 1: to the funeral. Steve Wilkes is my assistant head coach. 403 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: So I told Steve, hey, you know, you know I'm 404 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: gonna go. You're in charge. Take care of this, take 405 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: care of that. Then I went to the six captains 406 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: and I said, hey, guys, you know, be there for coach. 407 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: He said, hey, you go be with your family. We 408 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: got this. We got this. I said, okay, So I 409 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: come back and to a man, everybody that came up 410 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: to me, it was it was an amazing, it, said Coach. 411 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,719 Speaker 1: It was unbelievable. It was like it was like you 412 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: were never gone. The way everything went, it was like clockwork. 413 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 1: It's really, said Steve. He said, it just wasn't Steve. 414 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: He said, the other the captains, he said, you'd have 415 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: been proud of them. I mean, it was amazing thing. 416 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: When you have that kind of of group, they take ownership. 417 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 1: It's one of the things that we talk about all 418 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: the time. Take ownership. Take ownership, you know, hold each 419 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 1: other responsible, hold you know, and and and you always 420 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: try to preach it and you get it once in 421 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: a while, and it's hard to sustain. It's one of 422 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: the things that I talked to Coach Madden. How do 423 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: I capture that? How do I get that back? And 424 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: he said, Ron, the biggest mistake people make is they 425 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: think that they can start where they finished. And he said, no, 426 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 1: he said, you gotta get everyone understand. We start from 427 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: the beginning. We do the basics. You know, we crawled 428 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: before we walk, we walk before we run. So that 429 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: that was you know, but that's when I had a 430 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: great feel for twenty fifteen that these guys were going 431 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: to be special. You know. It's interesting you were, you'd 432 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: lay guys out, and because of safety smartly, the league 433 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: has scaled back on some of that stuff. How can 434 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: you be how can you be a kick ass intimidating 435 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: defense in twenty twenty one? I mean I grew up 436 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 1: with the Raiders and the Steelers. I mean, Jack Tatum, 437 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: you could make an imprint on people. You can't do 438 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: that now? Now, how do you? Because your style is physical. 439 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 1: When I think Ron River, I think physical. How do 440 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: you intimidate without so many options? Physically? You are your 441 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: players are often hamstrong Defensively, I think the thing really 442 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: is just just it has to have a feel of 443 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: being overwhelmed, you know, whether it's you know, and I'm 444 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: very fortunate I got Jack del Riel's my defensive corner. 445 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 1: Jack and I see things very similar. We come from 446 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: the same era of NFL football, and so you know, 447 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: he's he's as hard nosed as anybody had been around. 448 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,199 Speaker 1: He does such a good job and he carries the 449 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: message with him and it's about being so overwhelming that 450 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: that that it's like, no matter what's happening, it's coming 451 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: from somewhere, you know what I'm saying. And so to 452 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: be able to do that to to always kind of 453 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 1: give the impres freshian that you're you're constantly coming, you're 454 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: constantly attacking, you're constantly getting after. I think that that 455 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: that's how you can do it now. Um, it's just 456 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,719 Speaker 1: being able to be there, be around, just be felt. 457 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 1: You know, it's you're right, because I can remember, you know, 458 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: back in the day, you know, back in in in 459 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 1: in in in in the late eighties, you know, we 460 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: used to just feel that getting off the bus was 461 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 1: worth seven points. That's that's how that's how we felt 462 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: about ourselves, you know when when playing for the Bears, 463 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 1: I mean when you got guys like Hampton and McMichael 464 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: and Singletary and and Dent and and and Wilbard Marshall 465 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: and Otis Wilson and Gary Fence, I mean getting off 466 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: the bus was worth something as far as we were concerning. Yeah. God, 467 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: Gary Fenz, it could hit, he could really hit. He 468 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: was a Yale guy, wasn't he? Yes? He was he was. Um. 469 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: You know, Ron, when you um, you sort of look 470 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: at your quarterback spot. And I said this the other 471 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: day in the air, I said, the quarterback I see 472 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: for Ron Rivera is physical. Ron's teams are physical. This 473 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: cannot be a finesse guy. He's got to have courage, 474 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: he's got to be tough, he's got to be physical. 475 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: Ron's gonna be demanding. Ron's okay with mistakes, but if 476 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: you're not physical, it's not gonna work. That there's a 477 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 1: presence and Aura and I look at some of these 478 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 1: guys out there, and you know, I'll be the first 479 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: to admit. Sam Darnold jumps to me and I'm like, 480 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: Sam was a linebacker in high school. Sam is Sam is? 481 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 1: I've seen Sam run over linebackers. And you're the best 482 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: team in the league in my opinion. It's march. It's 483 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: a quarterback league and you don't have one. Now, Reportedly, 484 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: you guys are obviously you're you're interested in people. But 485 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: I want to go to you. If I said to you, Ron, 486 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: there's three qualities that you want from your quarterback. Well, 487 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: obviously he has to have a good enough arm to 488 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: make the requisite throws. We know that. But if there 489 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: were three qualities that you wrote in a chalkboard, this 490 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: is what this guy's gotta be. And Cam I bet 491 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: embodied some of those. What are those qualities? It's gotta 492 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: be tough first and foremost. He has to be tough, 493 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 1: mentally tough, physically tough. Um. He has to have a 494 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: true feel and love and desire for his teammates. You know, 495 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 1: it's it's it's an amazing thing. But when the teammates 496 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: know that that that guy is going to do everything 497 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: he can to to to be there for his teammates, 498 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 1: be around his teammates, it's it's just it's it's it's 499 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: it's it's an intangible And then I think fearless. You know, 500 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: that was one of the things about Can that I loved. 501 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: He was fearless. He wanted the football in his hands. 502 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: He nobody scared him, Nobody did um. And you know, 503 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: it's unfortunate how things turned out, you know, with with 504 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: the uh you know, with the twenty fifteen team. But 505 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: he was fearless and and and he he really he 506 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: really struggled with the loss, you know, and it truly 507 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: hurt him, It really did. It cut him deep. And 508 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: I don't think people realize, you know, that about him. 509 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: I'll take a guy that passionate about winning and losing. 510 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: I'd take that about a guy with who is that tough. 511 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: I would take that that just that desire to want 512 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: to win. I mean, that's what I want. I want 513 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: a guy that really truly is going to do. You know, 514 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: we saw a nice glimpse of it from Mataylor Heinike 515 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: you know, Ga, I will say Alex Smith has got 516 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: to be one of the toughest people I've ever been around. Absolutely, 517 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: just you know, his his courage, his his desire to 518 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: want to come back. That was that was an impressive thing. 519 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: Or on a lot of the quarterbacks on the market 520 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: have had injuries, Mariota, Darnold Garoppolo wentz, how concerned are 521 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: you about a tough quarterback? He's not sliding you know, 522 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson played baseball. He's got the slide down, but 523 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: the physical component means he'll I saw Justin Herbert put 524 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: his shoulder down and knock a linebacker out. Is do 525 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: you worry about a kid because I don't know if 526 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: you can coach reckless out of a player, or do 527 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: you worry about a kid, Darnold Marcus. They've missed some games, 528 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: they get hit that worry you, Yes, you you try 529 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: not to take the aggressive nature away, but you try 530 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,239 Speaker 1: to explain to them about being aggressively smart you know 531 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: there there's there's a time and a place when you 532 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: do with those things. There's a time in the place 533 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: when you tuck the ball and you you dive forward. 534 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: There's a time in the place when you choose to 535 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: run out of bounds. That has to be understood. That 536 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: has to be you know, again, if if, if you can, 537 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: if you can have that quarterback for sixteen games, you're 538 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: gonna win more of them than if you lose them 539 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: for for four or five at a time. That's why 540 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: they have to understand. They have to be selective, tough, 541 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: and and make smart decisions, make business decisions at times. 542 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: Can you coach reckless out of a guy. No, but 543 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: again you have to they have to be recklessly smart. 544 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: They have to understand that when you um, I went 545 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: through a little not close to your magnitude, but I 546 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: recently had a blood clot in my right lung and 547 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: I've always worked out, I work out every day, I 548 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: eat right, wives a vegan, and all of a sudden, 549 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: I'm in the hospital one night in alarming pain. And again, 550 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: not close to you what you dealt with. But it's interesting, 551 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: You've had a challenging but a great life. Family guy, 552 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: well respected. When you went through your recovery and dealing 553 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: with cancer. Do you wake up in the morning and 554 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: and just everything, do you see a little? Do you 555 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: land a little differently? There's there's certain moments land differently 556 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: for you with team or with family. Not saying it 557 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: would change who you are, but do you smile more? 558 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: Do you do you deal? You know you are a 559 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: little bounce in your step? Has it changed you? There is, 560 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: and it does change you. I will tell you it's 561 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: a very humbling experience. It truly is. And the one 562 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,479 Speaker 1: thing that I found probably the most humbling thing, the 563 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: most humbling situation, and it's also one of the things 564 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: that really drove me to say, gosh, you know what 565 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: I need to learn to be an advocate for for 566 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: for healthcare, for universal healthcare UM, because you know, we're 567 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: the richest country in the world and yet we don't 568 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,959 Speaker 1: have the quality healthcare for everybody that we should. UM. 569 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: But when you're in the waiting room. Okay, and this 570 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: may have happened to you. You walk into a restaurant, 571 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: everybody knows who you are, You don't wait, you get 572 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: a table right away. You go into a waiting room 573 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: at a hospital, and the radiology department, and you are 574 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: one of the patients and you go when your name 575 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: is called. And I got to see these people and 576 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: and and you know, you you I was fortunate either 577 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: my wife or my daughter typically took me to the 578 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: doctors for my treatments. And I saw people that were 579 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: there that didn't have anybody with them. I saw people 580 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: that were there with their whole family. And you just 581 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: you just you wonder and you think, and you just 582 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: see these people, and you see fear in people's eyes. Uh, 583 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: you feel the fear. Um. And it's it's it's a 584 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,479 Speaker 1: it's a it's a very humbling experience. And so I 585 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: take nothing for granted. Um. I think even more now 586 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: about certain things, certain elements of life. UM. But I 587 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: think it if there is one thing it is, it 588 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: is reaffirmed my passion to want to have fun and 589 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: to win. Jerry Tarkanian once told me, I can't remember 590 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: the winds. I can remember every minute of every loss. 591 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: Do you enjoy the winds? Yes, oh, without a doubt. 592 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: You know. It's it's funny. I don't like to display 593 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: a lot of emotion because I don't want to draw 594 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: the attention away from the guys, this is their moment. 595 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: I really believe that. It's like when we come out 596 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: of the tunnel. I never go through that the invitable thing. 597 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: I go around it because it's not my moment. It's 598 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: not it's not about me running through the tunnel. It's 599 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: about our players, you know. I try not to get 600 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: demonstrative and draw attention to me. I wanted to be 601 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: about them. They're the ones who are playing, They're the 602 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: ones that are earning it. This is their time. And 603 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: and but when we win, I mean, deep down inside, 604 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: I love it. I mean I love it for them. 605 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: It's an exciting thing. It really is. Because I've been there. 606 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: I've told the guys said, I don't do this for me. 607 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: I do this for you guys. I want to see 608 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,240 Speaker 1: them enjoy what I did in nineteen eighty five, Okay, 609 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: January twenty six, nineteen eighty six, New Orleans. That that, 610 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: to me, is that's what it's all about. Do you 611 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: remember it vividly? Yes? I do. I do. I remember 612 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 1: it like it was, you know the other day, you know, 613 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: walking down the street after the game. My my my 614 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: best friend in football, Jim Morrissey, who was my travel roommate. 615 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,399 Speaker 1: We were roommates on the road for nine seasons. One 616 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: of the one of the you know just I remember 617 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: walking down back to the team hotel after the win 618 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: and just thinking, dang man, world World champions. That's a 619 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: great feeling. Finally, Finally, Ron, when do you think all 620 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: the stories say you're in the quarterback and you're calling 621 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: When would you like to have it wrapped up? Oh? Um, 622 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: well you know again, we're we're we're dealing with free 623 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 1: agency right now. Um, who knows? And then when we 624 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 1: get into the draft, who knows. I know what we'd 625 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: like to do. Um, I'd love to see it happen, 626 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: but if not, what we got to do is make 627 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,359 Speaker 1: sure all the pieces are in place until we find 628 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: that right guy. I will say this though, I like 629 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 1: I like the young guys that we have around us. 630 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: I think the young guys have all got an opportunity. Um, 631 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 1: they're exciting guys. Taylor Heineke's exciting, Kyle Allen's exciting. We 632 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,959 Speaker 1: have a young man named Stephen Montez who we really 633 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: didn't know a lot about. But it's Um, these are 634 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 1: all guys that love the game, and it's I'm looking 635 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: forward to what's going to happen going this year? Are 636 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: you a bang the fist on the table to the 637 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 1: owner guy, would you do that? Well, if I'm gonna 638 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: blame anybody for not getting what I want, it's me, 639 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I have the opportunity to to 640 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: make decisions right now. Um, and we've got to do 641 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: it right. I mean, we're you know, we we've mapped 642 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: out some of the things that we want to do, 643 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: you know it, and and you know, we we we 644 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: we sit here and we see things are happening and happening, 645 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: and we're checking them off, we're putting them in place, 646 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 1: and we're going, Okay, you know, next week coming up, 647 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: it's coming up, it's coming up, and we'll see what happened. Hey, 648 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: it's been a pleasure for me, really has been. Um. 649 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 1: I just have a great deal of respect for you. 650 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: I think everybody does. And you're an easy guy to 651 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: root for. And thank you so much. No, I appreciate this. 652 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,359 Speaker 1: This is really cool. Thanks Thanks Ron, all right, thanks 653 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:44,919 Speaker 1: all right, thank you. That was fun. Remember to follow 654 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: us on social media at the Volume Sports on Twitter 655 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: and Instagram, rate review, and hit the subscribe button wherever 656 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: you listen to podcasts. We're young, we're growing, we're kids. 657 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: We're a little rebellious. 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