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When do we have, Crystal? 17 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 4: Did we do? 18 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 2: We got a bunch of updates for you coming out 19 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: of the court system in the battle against Doge, including 20 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 2: a court ruling that the Trump administration is defying one 21 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: of the previous court orders. So things are getting very interesting. 22 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: We also have some comments do comments from Trump with 23 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 2: regard to Gaza, saying that all hell will break loose 24 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 2: and the ceasefire deal will be over if Hamas doesn't 25 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: comply with what he wants, so will break all of 26 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 2: that down for you. Also have a number of developments 27 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 2: coming out of the AI world. The biggest one of which, though, 28 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 2: is that Elon Musk has put in kind of I 29 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: guess a trolley bid to buy open Ai out from 30 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: under Sam Altman. The details are a little complicated, but 31 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 2: it is an interesting development. 32 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: In important story. It is a very future of. 33 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 2: AI, absolutely absolutely important story of the future of AI. 34 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 2: We also want to take a look at so Google. 35 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 2: Wasn't there original motto like don't be evil? 36 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: Yes, wasn't that Google's? They took that away. 37 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 4: That's been gone for a while now. 38 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 2: But they had a list of AI principles, one of 39 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 2: which was like, we're not going to use AI to 40 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 2: murder people. 41 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 4: That one has been taken there. 42 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: To be fair, it's been fake forever. 43 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 3: They have always lied about that there's a health Chinese 44 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 3: weapons system program back in twenty seventeen. 45 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: So now they've just decided to say we're actually gonna. 46 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 4: Coming out of the call over that one. Yeah, so 47 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 4: well update you there as well. 48 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: Interesting story coming out of China that major automanger from 49 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: China byd is now out with a fully self driving 50 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 2: electric vehicle for less than ten thousand dollars. We'll show 51 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: you what the car looks like, also some of the 52 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: other vehicles that they put out. I mean, they have 53 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 2: become quite a juggernaut in the entire automobile space. When 54 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: you think about just not that long ago, you would 55 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: have sort of scoffed at the idea of a Chinese car, 56 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: and now they are a major, major global player. We're 57 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: going to try to get to the stephen A segment 58 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 2: that we tried to do yesterday with then Saga and 59 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: I talked too much. As per usual, he is floating 60 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: around for president. Kind of interesting at least these charismatics. 61 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 2: So we'll take a look at some of his positions, 62 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: and then SOA Bamari is going to stop by. He 63 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 2: is talking about a sort of a warning for MAGA, 64 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 2: a little bit similar to the topic guy broached yesterday, 65 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,399 Speaker 2: but he's coming from the right, saying basically like, you're 66 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 2: trading your ideology for a really bad deal, and you 67 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: know you're falling prey to this sort of like culture 68 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 2: war division and accepting that over Some of them were 69 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 2: substantive changes that were supposed to be at the heart 70 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 2: originally of the MAGA movement, so really interested to hear 71 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: from him. 72 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 4: He's always a thoughtful guy. 73 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 3: SARV was very smart dude, and I encourage people to 74 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 3: sign up for his newsletter and others. 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But why don't we go off with the courts? 84 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 4: Yeah? 85 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: So Trump was asked recently about whether or not he 86 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: should abide by court orders and his reaction to some 87 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: of the court decisions that were coming down against him 88 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: and against DOJE. Let's take a listen to what he 89 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: had to say. 90 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 3: So from the couple of coourt loss with mister President 91 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 3: and Jadie Vance said judges aren't allowed to control the 92 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 3: executive power. 93 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: What's your take on that? 94 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 5: But we're going to see what happens. We have a 95 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 5: long way to go and we're talking about fraud, waste, 96 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 5: abuse and what a president can't look for fraud and 97 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 5: waste and abuse. We don't have a country, So we're 98 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 5: very disappointed with the judges. That would make sense you're ruling, 99 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 5: but we have a long way to go. 100 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: We have to look. 101 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 5: We have to find all of the fraud that's going on. 102 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 5: We have tremendous fraud, tremendous waste, and tremendous abuse and theft. 103 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 5: By the way, and the day you're not allowed to 104 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 5: look for theft and fraud, etc. Then we don't have 105 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 5: much of a country. So no judge should be No 106 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 5: judge should, frankly be allowed to make that kind of 107 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 5: a decision. 108 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: No judge should be allowed to make that kind of decision. 109 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 2: Those comments coming a couple of days ago, but very 110 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 2: important in light of the messaging coming from Jadie Vance 111 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: and Elon and others suggesting that they could just potentially 112 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 2: ignore court decisions that go against them that they don't like. 113 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: Here is one of the latest developments, quite significant here 114 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 2: in terms of the court battles. We could put this 115 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: up on the screen. So a judge has ruled that 116 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 2: they are in defiance. Right now, the Trump administration is 117 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 2: in defiance of one of the previous court orders telling 118 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 2: them to unfreeze federal funding. So a judge directs Trump 119 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 2: administration to comply with order on frozen funds. That judge 120 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: ordered them to restore federal funding they had tried to freeze, 121 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 2: saying the White House was not fully complying with an 122 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: earlier ruling against it. After the judge issued that decision, 123 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 2: the States asked him to issue a follow up order 124 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 2: enforcing the earlier restraining order, saying the States continue to 125 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 2: be denied access to federal funds. The States said, and 126 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 2: court filing still frozen funds included about seven billion dollars 127 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 2: in grant money for solar panels, five billion that supports 128 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 2: greenhouse gas reduction measures, and court filing Sunday, Justice Department 129 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 2: lawyers said the administration had made good faith, diligent efforts 130 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 2: to comply. They said the funds at issue were frozen 131 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 2: because of a Trump executive order signed hours after he 132 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: was sworn in that paused tens of billions of dollars 133 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: in federal climate spending. Okay, so what seems to be 134 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 2: going on here is this one goes back to you guys, 135 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 2: Will remember all the chaos around, like the executive order 136 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: that's issued comes out or its actually wasn't any second order. 137 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 2: It was a memo that was issued by the OMB 138 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 2: saying we have to freeze all federal grant spending. And 139 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 2: there was a caveat in there that said nothing that 140 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 2: goes to individuals, okay, but that means medicaid would be frozen. 141 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 2: And that means that head stars frozen. That means meal 142 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 2: on wheels is frozen. That means all sorts of things 143 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: across society that are important to people would be frozen. 144 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: There was an almost immediate injunction issued against that, and 145 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 2: the administration also tried to walk it back, rescinding that 146 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 2: order but saying you still have to comply and make 147 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: sure that none of these federal grant funds are going 148 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: to programs that violate the president's other executive orders with 149 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 2: regard to DEI or quote unquote Green New Deal and 150 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 2: those sorts of things. So right now there's sort of 151 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 2: a scattershot approach where certain things, including a bunch of 152 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 2: funds that are supposed to go to farmers as part 153 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 2: of the Inflation Reduction Act, including just some random things 154 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 2: across society. So, like I think rural health claim in 155 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 2: some areas have continued to see their funds frozen. There 156 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 2: been hot meal programs that continue to see their funds frozen, 157 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: just sort of like a scattershot of programs across society 158 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 2: that have not seen those funds released. And so now 159 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 2: this judge is coming in and saying, you have to 160 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 2: even the things that you were saying are under the 161 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: Inflation Reduction Act and it's subject to these other executive 162 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: orders whatever. No, my order applies to everything, and it's 163 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: not an excuse that you're trying your best. 164 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 4: You need to do what you. 165 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 2: Need to do to make sure that all of these 166 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: funds are unfrozen. 167 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it gets to the heart of the executive 168 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 3: authority and to the court challenges that they're trying to 169 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 3: invite there to the Supreme Court around the executive's ability 170 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 3: to determine which is under their own scrutiny and which 171 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 3: is not. 172 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: I'm looking here. 173 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 3: Just late last night, the Trump administration filed a reply 174 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 3: I sent it to our group in support of their 175 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 3: request to vacate their injunction, and they are claiming a 176 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 3: constitutional violation. They say, quote a court order commanding that 177 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 3: a segment of an executive agency be cordoned off from 178 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 3: properly named political appointees while giving access to select civil servants. 179 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 3: The government is aware of no example of a court 180 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 3: over ever trying to micromanage an agency. 181 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 4: It is about the treasury. 182 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 3: This is about treasury. But it gets also in response 183 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 3: to apparently as a usaid and says, this court should 184 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 3: not be the first the existing tro cannot stand. So 185 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 3: this gets to what you're talking about, not just in 186 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 3: terms of the farmers and the IRA, but to the 187 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 3: overarching theme that they're trying to as I understand I 188 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 3: talked to a lawyer friend of mine yesterday, is that 189 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 3: they're trying to get one of these cases up to 190 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 3: the Supreme Court to get an answer for judicial review 191 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 3: on their ability because it actually gets previously back to 192 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 3: the repeal of the Chevron doctrine around the administrative state 193 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 3: and the bureaucracy's ability to make rule changes. It's actually 194 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,599 Speaker 3: interesting case because again as they were explaining it to me, 195 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 3: was that they might have actually been better off if 196 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 3: they had more of the administrative review and rule process 197 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 3: that they had previously under Chevron, as opposed to now 198 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 3: where it's much more about the letter of the law 199 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 3: that's coming out of Congress. I genuinely have no idea 200 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 3: how they'll rule, because what we talked about yesterday with 201 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 3: the CFPB is remember Clarence Thomas writing for the Majority 202 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 3: that CFPB is not unconstitutional because it was created by 203 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 3: Congress and it's that funding mechanism set up by the Fed. 204 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 3: They may in fact actually defer to Congress's ability and 205 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 3: shut down all of this executive review that the Trump 206 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 3: administration is claiming right now. 207 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's certainly possible. And I mean the other big 208 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 2: development here is, right now, while this judge is saying 209 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 2: you are in open defiance of a court order, there's 210 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 2: still a story around like, oh, we're trying to figure 211 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 2: it out in good faith, and we interpreted it different. 212 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 2: And you know, it's hard to use the federal governments 213 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 2: not just a switch you can flick on and off. 214 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: And so we fully intend for rural health clinics to 215 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 2: get their funding, et cetera, et cetera. We're doing our 216 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 2: best with this order. You're starting to move closer to 217 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: things coming to a head where if they say, continue 218 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 2: to not release funds to farmers who've signed contracts with 219 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 2: the federal government to not release those funds to you know, 220 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 2: various clinics and things that have been affected across the country. 221 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: There's no longer a story about how this is just 222 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 2: like a good faith misreading of the ruling. Then it 223 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: becomes brazen defiance of a lawfully issued order from the judiciary. 224 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 2: And that's when you get into, you know, the things 225 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: that Jadie Vance has been saying, the things that Elon 226 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 2: Musk has been saying, the things now that Trump has 227 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 2: been saying, the things that frankly were floated even in 228 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 2: Project twenty twenty five and are of course part of 229 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 2: the Curtis Yarvin Butterfly revolution plan of when the courts 230 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 2: stand in your way, you just ignore them and just 231 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 2: do what you want to do. And so what I 232 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 2: found significant about this ruling is it seems to be 233 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 2: inching us closer to that place where there will be 234 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 2: decision point to see whether or not the Trump administration 235 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 2: is actually going to comply when the court say you 236 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 2: can't do that. So we may be finding that out 237 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 2: very soon. Let me go ahead and put this next 238 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 2: update on the screen too, because this is relevant as well. 239 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 2: USAID employees are also complaining that the administration is not 240 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 2: complying with the previous order saying that you can't dismantle 241 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 2: this agency. So that was you know, a temporary injunction 242 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 2: that was also issued that says, you know, we're evaluating 243 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 2: this case and in the meantime, you can't just destroy 244 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 2: this agency. The court process has to play out. And 245 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 2: you know, they present as evidence here, first of all, 246 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 2: thousands of USAID employees have been. 247 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 4: Furloughed and sent home. 248 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 2: They also point out things like they went and took 249 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 2: down the USAID sign from the building and brought up 250 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 2: statements I believe from Trump and Elon and others that 251 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: are like USAID is dead, it's being fed into the woodchipper, 252 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: it's etc. So they are also claiming in the suit 253 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 2: that the administration is not complying with that order. So 254 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 2: another place where things could be kind of coming to 255 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 2: a head in terms of this battle between the Trump administration, 256 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 2: Executive branch, Elon, musk, Doje, etc. And the judiciary, which 257 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 2: is effectively the only real obstacle in their path at 258 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: this point. 259 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 3: What I'm actually interested in is what we're about to 260 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 3: get to with the farmers, because this is one of 261 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 3: those areas where this could be the first political flashpoint. 262 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 3: We've talked previously, and I know many people are very 263 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 3: concerned about USAID and others, but you know, we've debated 264 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 3: here I think many times. A lot of that is 265 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 3: about process arguments and how it could impact major impact 266 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 3: for millions in the future. But the farmer's case that 267 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 3: I was reading about and you're beginning to see some 268 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 3: organic pushback on is one that I'm very curious to 269 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 3: see how that will affect Trump's support and not only that, 270 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 3: but invite some pushback from inside of the Senate. This 271 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 3: happened with the tariff program that was on soybeans and 272 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 3: other agricultural products last time around, where people like Chuck 273 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 3: Grassley and others, Tom Cotton, a few other very agricultural 274 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 3: states really were dissenting from some of the tariff program 275 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 3: or at least asking for tariff related assistance. 276 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: So I actually think that this one that. 277 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 3: We're about to get to with the USDA funding the 278 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 3: IRA and farming contracts, could be the first sign of 279 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 3: some actual intra GOP conflict around the issue. And you know, look, 280 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 3: everybody likes in principle to say, oh, well, the government's 281 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 3: going to cut spending, and I'm talking with Republicans in particular, 282 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 3: but it's like, well, when it's your own funding, it's 283 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 3: a different story. Yeah. 284 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 2: Well, USAID runs up against that as well, because there's 285 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 2: you know, one hundreds of millions of that they buy. 286 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 4: A lot of food from farmers. 287 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 2: The USAID, you know, buys a lot of food from 288 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 2: American farmers, shifts around the world to places that are 289 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 2: you know, having hunger, food and security famine its and 290 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 2: so that is also an issue that perhaps you know, 291 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 2: may come to a head as well. But let's put 292 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 2: a four up on the screen to what Sager is 293 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 2: referencing here. So you've got farmers who are now reporting 294 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 2: missing millions of dollars in funding that they were promised 295 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 2: by the USDA. This was money that was brought about 296 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 2: by the Inflation Production Act, which of course passed through 297 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 2: Congress in a bipartisan fashion. So effectively, what happened here 298 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 2: with a lot of these individuals is they signed contracts 299 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 2: with the federal government to upgrade. They might do a 300 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 2: solar installation to make their farms more energy efficient. There 301 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 2: are various upgrades to their farms that they pledged to 302 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: to commit to and the US government was going to 303 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 2: be on the hook for maybe half of the cost 304 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 2: of that. 305 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 4: And now with the. 306 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 2: Trump administration saying, you know, we're just not going to 307 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 2: send those that grant money out, a bunch of these 308 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 2: farmers have already spent you know, eighty thousand dollars, one 309 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars or more expecting that they were going 310 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 2: to be reimbursed. 311 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 4: And if you know anything. 312 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 2: About the family farm world, at this point, the margins 313 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 2: are non existent. I mean, these these folks are really 314 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 2: up against. Everything has to fall into place, The money 315 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 2: has to come in when it's anticipated, or else they're screwed, 316 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 2: I mean, or else they are really in danger of 317 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 2: losing those farms. And so the Washington Post talked to 318 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 2: a number of farmers who were facing this situation. A 319 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 2: flower grower in Maryland they talked to. They also talked 320 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 2: to this guy, Skyler Holden. He's a cattle farmer in 321 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 2: eastern Missouri. He says he signed a two hundred and 322 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 2: forty thousand dollars contract in December under the Environmental Quality 323 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 2: Incentives Program to share costs on investments for his farm. 324 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 2: With the funding, he erected new fencing, installed a well, 325 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 2: had planned further improvements to his water system, spent eighty 326 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 2: K on materials and labor contracts that he expected We're 327 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 2: going to be partly paid back by the government. This month, 328 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 2: the USDA representative told him the funding was pause because 329 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 2: of Trump's executive order. He says, quote, I asked her, 330 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 2: is there any word on when they're going to be unfrozen? 331 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 2: Is it going to be frozen indefinitely? She did not 332 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 2: have any answers for me. And again, this is funding 333 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 2: that was appropriated by Congress, passed through bipartisan legislation that 334 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 2: the Trump administration is now claiming the right to just 335 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 2: unilaterally say. 336 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 4: We're not doing that anymore. 337 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: Yes after. 338 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 2: And there's also just like basic contract law at plates 339 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 2: here too, Like just because you're the federal government doesn't 340 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 2: mean that you're not also subject to contract law. Where like, 341 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 2: if you tell this farmer and you sign a contract 342 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 2: saying we are going to reimburse you for part of 343 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: this eighty k, you are still legally obligated to that 344 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 2: even outside of the you know, the questions around congressional appropriations, 345 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: power of the purse, etc. So again, it seems like 346 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 2: a pretty brazen violation of the law. And obviously, you 347 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: know Skuylar, I was about to show you a video 348 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 2: in a minute after I Getzager's response. Skyler voted for Trump, 349 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 2: like most of these farmers voted for Trump, and you know, 350 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: thought that you would benefit them economically, and the reality 351 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 2: so far for these individuals quite different. 352 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 3: Well, let's play it, because that's what I'm curious to see. 353 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 3: If this actually takes off and becomes a thing. Let's 354 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 3: take a listen. 355 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 6: I might lose my farm because of the government. I 356 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 6: got in bed with the government. I was promoting getting 357 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 6: bed with the government because I thought it was a 358 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 6: good idea. So in RCS conservation planning, so they had 359 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 6: a program out there called the EQUIP program. And what 360 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 6: the EQUIP program is is it's cost sharing on stuff 361 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 6: like fencing, different seatings, water lines, waters wells, and stuff 362 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 6: like that to better conserve farmland for agriculture use. They 363 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 6: called me today and said, hey, I know we have 364 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 6: this signed contract. We're renegging on it. We're not going 365 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 6: to pay out on it. What do you mean You're 366 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,239 Speaker 6: not gonna pay out on it? So I've got all 367 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 6: that stuff bought and whenever I install it, you're not 368 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 6: going to pay out. We had this contract. I made 369 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,479 Speaker 6: business decisions based on this contract. So now I have 370 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 6: eighty thousand dollars out of my pocket that I didn't 371 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 6: have to spend. So that eighty thousand dollars we have 372 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 6: is supposed to go to our farm wom in the fall. 373 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 6: If we don't have that money, that's our hay money, 374 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 6: that's our farm money, our farm payment money. If we 375 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 6: don't have that money, we will lose this farm. 376 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 4: So amazing. 377 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 2: There's another TikTok where he says, I voted for Trump, 378 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 2: and it's just it is amazing the way he frames it. 379 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 2: It's the problem is the government, not the president you 380 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 2: voted for. Who is the explicit reason who signed this 381 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 2: executive word is the explicit reason that the pl are 382 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 2: not going out? 383 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 3: That is what's the matter with Kansas in a nutshell, 384 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 3: is you have a person here who voted for Trump. 385 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 3: And I mean, maybe he couldn't have predicted that they 386 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 3: were going to cut farming benefits or all that, but 387 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 3: what do you notice in his rhetoric and in his language, 388 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 3: what is he saying. He's saying it's the government. The 389 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 3: government is don't get in with the government. Get in 390 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 3: bed with the government. It's like, well, okay, you didn't 391 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 3: think about that whenever. You know, look, it's hard. I 392 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,479 Speaker 3: don't like to dunk on regular people, but I mean, 393 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 3: guess he put it out there. It is emblematic of 394 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 3: a big problem that we have in this country, which 395 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 3: is that when you are in the cult like you 396 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 3: are unable to really either grapple with your own decisions 397 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 3: or a total lack of like wanting to save face whenever. 398 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 3: It's a problem that really is one. It's not on you, 399 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,959 Speaker 3: per se, but the way that you're communicating it is 400 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 3: just fundamentally different than if it would have been the 401 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 3: Biden administration. And that's kind of what you know. We 402 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 3: were talking yesterday about the rural health in Virginia, and 403 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 3: I was looking at all these counties yesterday because I 404 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 3: was curious for all the places that are most effective 405 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 3: and where they voted for Trump. I'm talking like eighty 406 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 3: five fifteen engines in any of these places. I hate 407 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 3: to say it, but you know, as we all know, 408 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 3: if we go down there, who are they going to blame? 409 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 3: They'll be like, Oh, it's those idiots up in Washington. 410 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, well what about Trump. No, No, he 411 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 3: would never do that. And it's like, well, can you 412 00:19:55,920 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 3: really change their mind? I mean, I just I my framework. 413 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 3: It's just so profoundly I'm sad really to see the 414 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 3: country as it is right now because I've seen a 415 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 3: lot of this. We talked yesterday about the CFPB and 416 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 3: we're going to talk to that about Sora. But there 417 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 3: is just so much like cultish behavior and thinking right 418 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 3: now that I genuinely I think it'll be like Obama 419 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 3: where you know, Obama presided over you know what was 420 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 3: at the loss of the House and the Senate and 421 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 3: the thousand state houses. I'm not predicting that necessarily for 422 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 3: the GOP, but he personally did not ever incur a 423 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 3: lot of those political consequences because people really. 424 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:36,719 Speaker 1: Felt they could trust him. 425 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 3: Even though you know, objectively, you lose your house under Obama, 426 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 3: you know, her wages continue to go down. He ultimately 427 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 3: is a man in charge, but for some reason, nobody 428 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 3: was ever willing, you know, to really blame him. Even 429 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 3: to this day, he's got some fifty eight percent approval rating, 430 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 3: and so Trump, I mean, these politicians, they just have 431 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 3: a halo effect around them where people like that will 432 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 3: never criticize them. But I mean, where is the guy 433 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 3: from do we know, you know, okay, so Missouri. I 434 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 3: guarantee you he'd be willing to call out you know, 435 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 3: Josh Holly or whatever the other senator from Missouri. Like 436 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 3: that same halo effect doesn't exist for you know, mere 437 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,959 Speaker 3: mortal politicians. But Trump somehow is able to escape that. 438 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 3: And I just I don't know if there's a world 439 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 3: where people who are affected by like this and others 440 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 3: will ever actually connect the dots, even if you explicitly 441 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 3: tell them that You're like, no, this was cut by 442 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 3: so and so. I could be wrong, you know, I 443 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 3: totally could be wrong that it could be like, oh, 444 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 3: it's Trump and Elon and be like, Okay, I'm voting 445 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 3: for Kamal or whoever Pete Boodaje edge the next time around. 446 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: I don't see any data in the back then. 447 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean certainly for like probably thirty percent 448 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 2: of the country, I think that's true. I mean, this 449 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 2: has always been the Trump you know, I could show 450 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 2: someone on Fifth Avenue fucking he's absolutely right about that. 451 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 2: And I think Obama is the best analog on the 452 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 2: Democrat side. But I actually think it goes further with Trump, 453 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: because with Obama you at least had I don't know, 454 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 2: I'm sure you do. Remember, you know, during the Tea 455 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 2: Party era, Democrats were perfectly happy to criticize Obama, throw 456 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 2: him under the you know, an Pelosi. Absolutely, they were 457 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 2: totally willing to do that. And the grip that Trump 458 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 2: has on the Republican Party now is really, you know, 459 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 2: it's quite unique. It is outside of anything I've seen, 460 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 2: certainly in my lifetime. Maybe there's some examples going back 461 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 2: through history, but certainly unique in terms of modern history. 462 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 2: And yeah, you see it in real time the way 463 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 2: people things that they you know, if it was Biden, 464 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 2: they would be I mean just even if you just 465 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 2: think about the inauguration image of Trump with the richest 466 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 2: people on the planet standing there behind him, like if 467 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 2: it was a Democrat, like that would be a hair 468 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 2: on fire kind of a moment. But because it's their guy, 469 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, I like, these these billionaires are 470 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 2: saying the things I want to hear right now because 471 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 2: they're using you because they're then it's fine. I mean 472 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 2: on the Gaza stuff too, the level of cope with 473 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 2: regard to Trump floating, the US occupying Gaza, finishing the 474 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 2: ethnic cleansing or potentially genocide on behalf of Israel, getting entangled, 475 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 2: getting our men and women entangled, and yet another insane 476 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 2: Middle Eastern war, And the level of spinning cope is 477 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 2: just incredible, Like some of them out right by like, oh, well, 478 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 2: it's great for America, we'll get something out of it, 479 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 2: and it'll be beautiful waterfront prop like they actually buy 480 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 2: that bullshit. Or the other cope is well, this is 481 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 2: just his open opening negotiating position. And I don't know 482 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 2: why you're taking you take him too seriously. It's like 483 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 2: he's the president of the United States. He's a big boy. 484 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 2: He's floated this quite like he read from a prepared statement. 485 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 2: It's not like he was just freewheeling here. He's now 486 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 2: said it multiple times. I don't know why we wouldn't 487 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 2: take him seriously, especially when Kushner suggested something very similar earlier. 488 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 2: And what makes you think that this is out of 489 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 2: character for him whatsoever. So yes, with a certain core 490 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 2: part of the base, they may never leave him no 491 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 2: matter what. But that's thirty percent of the country. There 492 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 2: are a lot of people who voted for him, who 493 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 2: were on the fence, who voted for Biden last time, 494 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 2: who didn't don't love him, but thought he'd be better 495 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 2: for them economically or whatever. Those are the ones that 496 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 2: you could see shift away and shift away pretty quickly 497 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 2: if things go south, or if they see direct impacts, 498 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 2: which they're likely to direct impacts in their communities on 499 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 2: things that they care about. I mean, I just saw 500 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 2: this morning. I sent you this elon who's changed his 501 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 2: Twitter name to something weird. 502 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 3: By the way, it's Harry Balls. 503 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the man that's running our country right now. 504 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 2: That's awesome anyway, posting about how there's more fraud in 505 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 2: entitlements than anything that we've seen ever before. 506 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 4: And we're supposed to. 507 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 2: Believe that he's not going to go after Social Security, Medicare, 508 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 2: and medicaid. Trump yesterday says the defense spending is going 509 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 2: to go up, and meanwhile, we're we're supposed to be 510 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 2: cheering like them canceling the Politico pro subscriptions, like that's 511 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 2: some real cost saving, like cost cutting measure, like give 512 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 2: me a break. 513 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 4: This is all preposterous. 514 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 3: This is what I'm saying is, you know, in the 515 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 3: media environment, and maybe people have noticed that I feel 516 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 3: particularly black built lately, But in the media environment that 517 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 3: I swim in this political thing, you would think it's 518 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 3: the greatest scandal in American history. You genuinely would think 519 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 3: that this is like an insane it's and you know, 520 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 3: it's funny. 521 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: Obviously, I agree it's bad. 522 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 3: And in terms of government subsidizing these media companies, and 523 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 3: that is a story in and of itself, but the 524 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 3: blinders stop right there, right and it doesn't get to 525 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 3: anything bigger. And I really try to keep like a 526 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 3: calm head and look, even on the Social Security thing, 527 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 3: I think he's probably correct in terms of Medicare fraud 528 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 3: in particular because the estimate I have seen is fifty billion. 529 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 3: If anything, fraud is likely to be the biggest fraud 530 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 3: in history, only because these are the biggest programs in history. Now, 531 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 3: is he saying that to, you know, to the end 532 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 3: of like cleaning it up, or is it thing that's 533 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 3: paired with a cutting entitlement. I think that we know 534 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 3: at least at where Elon is. Trump is said he 535 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 3: doesn't want to cut that at all. But yeah, explaining 536 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 3: the magnitude and difficulty of this is very different in 537 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 3: this ViBe's information system, where again, where I've tried to 538 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 3: communicate this in terms of USAID, it's er point seven 539 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 3: percent of the federal budget, and yet people are saying 540 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 3: that this is like the greatest American Revolution. It's like, okay, 541 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 3: so even if you cut half of USID, there's point 542 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 3: three five percent of the federal budget. Now they're talking 543 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 3: about auditing the Pentagon. I supported one hundred percent. But again, 544 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 3: like you just said, they're talking about increasing defense spending. 545 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 3: It's like, to what end for what? Because the current 546 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 3: system is completely screwed up. If you really you could 547 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 3: spend two thirds of the Defense Department, and if you 548 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 3: redid our procurement systems, you could have more equipment and 549 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 3: more lethal and a better military and spend way less 550 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 3: money because probably one third of that entire budget is 551 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 3: just outright total corruption and stealing from these defense contractors. 552 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 3: But that's the issue is that they don't necessarily want 553 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 3: to do that. So it's like, now, what, yeah, what 554 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 3: are we doing here? 555 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 2: Not to mention, if you're going to do that in 556 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 2: a serious way, you're going to use Elon Musk, who 557 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 2: is one of the Pentagon's top contractors, Like who are 558 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 2: we kidding? 559 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 4: Who are we kidding. 560 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 2: About this being some sort of like free and fair. Yeah, 561 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 2: Elon might cut the contracts to his competitors, you know 562 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,199 Speaker 2: that we're going to talk about as we're going to. 563 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: Talk competitors genuinely are also criminals. 564 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 2: Like sure, but like yeah, and then funnel that money 565 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 2: to his buddies a Palenteer right as we're about to 566 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 2: discuss later. I mean, Palenteer's stock is. 567 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 4: Through the roof. That's why. 568 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 2: Because everyone assumes Elon is going to go in there 569 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,479 Speaker 2: and funnel the money to his friends and partners. So 570 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 2: that's I mean, that's the reality of what we're dealing 571 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 2: with here. Let me go ahead and move on to 572 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 2: the next piece about NIH funding because this is also 573 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 2: really significant in another area where there's some you know, 574 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 2: red state Like mmmm right, not sure, not sure about 575 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 2: this one. So let's go and put this up on 576 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,959 Speaker 2: the screen. We've had a federal judge now has stepped 577 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 2: in to halt the Trump administration cuts to NIH research 578 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 2: payments in twenty two states, So attorneys general across the 579 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 2: country Democratic attorneys general sue the Trump administration, asking them 580 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 2: to temporarily block that major policy change. So basically what 581 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 2: the Trump administration said is We're just going to come 582 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 2: in and whatever the you know, administrative facility costs, the 583 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,479 Speaker 2: like overhead costs that we subsidize through the NIH, whatever 584 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 2: that is, We're going to just cut it down to 585 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 2: fifteen percent. And you know, again, this is pretty clearly 586 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 2: illegal based on the fact that Congress actually specifically in 587 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 2: legislation specified that these contracts cannot be changed and shifted. Obviously, 588 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 2: this gets back to the separation of powers, power of 589 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 2: the purse, et cetera, et cetera. And so Judge is 590 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 2: now stepping in and saying, whoao, you cannot do this 591 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 2: until we know have this all go through the court 592 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 2: system and figure out what is going on. 593 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 4: So, you know, I think also this is. 594 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 2: Part of the ideological project of like, they know this 595 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 2: is going to be very hard on all kinds of universities, 596 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 2: right they love to name check Harvard, the UC system. 597 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 2: They'll certainly be in Johns Hopkins, they'll certainly be impacted. 598 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 4: But it's not just. 599 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:27,479 Speaker 2: These Ivy League liberal institutions that will be hurt. Any 600 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 2: sort of university that does this type of research is 601 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 2: definitely going to be harmed by this. And I also 602 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 2: would say, you know, that is not to say that 603 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 2: there isn't you know, waste in there. There are reforms 604 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 2: that could be made, et cetera, et cetera. But if 605 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 2: you squeeze funding out on the public side and you're 606 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 2: no longer doing nearly as much public research, guess who 607 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 2: fills in the gap. I mean, then you become really 608 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 2: reliant on industry funding, which means certain research is just 609 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 2: not going to get done. Things that they don't see 610 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 2: there's going to be an immediate profit on, Like they'll 611 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 2: fund your you know, innovations in viagra research all day long. 612 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 2: But if you're talking about some sort of illness, let's say, 613 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 2: a rare cancer that may not be that profitable because 614 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 2: there aren't that many people that have it. 615 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 4: Like that is not going to get funded. 616 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 2: If you're talking about something where there's a higher risk 617 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 2: that it may not actually pan out and it's you know, 618 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 2: a bit of a longer shot, that probably won't get funded. 619 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 2: Not to mention all of the obvious problems with conflicts 620 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 2: of interest when you have industry directly funding research, So 621 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 2: you know, of all the new drug molecules that have 622 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 2: been discovered over the past two plus decades. All of 623 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 2: them have come from public research dollars. They've all been 624 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 2: linked in some way to public research dollars. So this 625 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 2: is really, you know, it really is important and could 626 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 2: very much in the immediate term impact things like you know, 627 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 2: developing cancer cures and all kinds of research that is 628 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 2: very important. 629 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 4: But like I said, I. 630 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 2: Think it's pretty clearly the sagaad bite suspect you would 631 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 2: back me up on this part of an ideological project 632 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 2: to undercut universities that the you know, Curtis Jarvins and 633 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 2: Jade Vance's and Elon Musk's of the world think sort 634 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 2: of like indoctrinate people and make them liberal and need 635 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 2: to be effectively destroyed. 636 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 4: And Yarmin's words, I think he. 637 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 2: Said it needs to be like blown up down to 638 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 2: the atoms or something like that. 639 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 3: This is very Curtis, Yeah, I mean, I don't think 640 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 3: there'll shock people. I actually agree with this one. And 641 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 3: I'll tell you why. Is that this was specifically about 642 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 3: those budget cuts to the quote unquote indirect administrative cost. 643 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 3: It's acted at fifteen percent. My parents are in academia, 644 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 3: love them, but I mean my experience in academia is 645 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 3: extremely bureaucratic, bloated, that there are tons of make work 646 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 3: jobs that are just everywhere where people try to justify 647 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 3: their existence. I mean, this is part of what we 648 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 3: talked about with the RFK thing. I mean, one of 649 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 3: the reasons that I am so both repulsed with the 650 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 3: National Institute of Health is not just doctor Fauci and 651 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 3: I'm blanking on his name. The previous director that was 652 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 3: at the head of that was that it was clear 653 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 3: that it became this slush fund of billions of federal 654 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 3: dollars for whatever the pet projects of these top epidemiologists 655 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 3: and infectious disease specialists wanted it to be, and they 656 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 3: would cut these checks to all of these different labs. 657 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 3: And then when the time came to cover up lab leak, 658 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 3: they're the ones who are who came out and said, no, 659 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 3: it's not possible, specifically to protect their own cartel of funding. 660 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 3: Now this is bigger than that, because this is the 661 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 3: entire National Institute of Health, but it does get to 662 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 3: the basic question of like, okay, well, what have they 663 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 3: been doing the federal government. Now this is apparently a 664 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 3: seventy nine year old project. Well in the last seventy 665 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 3: nine years, you know, America has become more diabetic, more cancerous, fatter, 666 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 3: more sick. 667 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: I mean, what is actually happening? 668 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 3: The healthcare costs of skyrocketed to what end are these 669 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 3: public dollars being used. I don't disagree with what you said, 670 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 3: per se in terms of how federal dollars. 671 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: And all that should be spent. 672 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 3: Much of this is a legacy of the post World 673 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 3: War two system where we would cut checks to these 674 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 3: different science departments in the theory that that would eventually 675 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 3: roll up into benefit for the American people. 676 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: But I see, yes, I. 677 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 2: Mean the return time at US for every dollar invested, 678 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 2: you get multiple dollars back in. 679 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 4: Terms of innovation. 680 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,239 Speaker 2: And I mean, personally, I think a lot of this 681 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 2: should be instead of spun off to the pharmaceutical companies, 682 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 2: I actually think it should be the production distribution should 683 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,719 Speaker 2: also be handled by the federal government. I mean, what 684 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 2: you're pointing to is a real problem. But I would 685 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 2: say the issue isn't because we're funding cancer research. The 686 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 2: issue is because we have a for profit healthcare system 687 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 2: that profits off of people being sick. And so guess what, 688 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 2: we have a lot of people being sick. This does nothing. 689 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 2: I mean, this actually pushes things more in the direction 690 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 2: of the for profit industry funded system where the only 691 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 2: thing that gets developed, the only thing that gets researched 692 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 2: is you know, things that have an immediate profit generating possibility. 693 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 2: And so, like I said before, are the things that 694 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 2: I'm sure there are things that could be cut, but 695 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 2: research doing research properly is also really like to have 696 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,719 Speaker 2: these because they're because it costs a lot of money 697 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 2: to have these facilities, to have the specialized equipment to 698 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 2: be able to run the multiple trials that you need 699 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 2: to have, the trained professionals that you can that you 700 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 2: need to be able to do this properly. 701 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,240 Speaker 4: Like, these things all cost a lot. 702 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 2: Of money, and so you know, we do in a 703 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 2: certain sense, like we subsidize this area because look, you know, 704 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 2: maybe it's an unpopular opinion, but I personally think like 705 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,439 Speaker 2: research into cancer is a good thing that we should 706 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 2: be investing war money in. 707 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 4: And again, if we look at the big picture, it's 708 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,760 Speaker 4: a freaking drop in the bucket. 709 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 2: They're saying, even with this, which is a draconian cut, 710 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 2: I think you would agree across the board, you know, 711 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,919 Speaker 2: with a hatchet not a scalpel, right, which did administrative 712 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 2: cost me? 713 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 1: How many HR? 714 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,280 Speaker 4: It's not h it's not HR directors. 715 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 2: We're we're talking about specialize it why we're talking about 716 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 2: the facilities that you need. You're talking about nurses, you're 717 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 2: talking about doctors, you're talking about flebotomus. Like, so, again, 718 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 2: is are there cusse that could be sure? Is this 719 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 2: the source of federal government deficits? No? 720 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: Yes, fair? 721 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 2: Even with this, they're talking about a grand total of 722 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 2: four billion dollars being saved. That is like an ant 723 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 2: on the ass of the United. 724 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,800 Speaker 4: States federal budget deficit. It's preposterous. 725 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 2: And so that you know, again, things that are investigating 726 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 2: more rare diseases, things that have a longer timeline to development, 727 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,839 Speaker 2: all of this will fall by the wayside. And so yeah, 728 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 2: I think, I mean, I think it's a bad idea. 729 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 2: I also think the way they did it is illegal. 730 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 2: And if they went there's a reason that they don't 731 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,720 Speaker 2: go through Congress for this, and it's because it would 732 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 2: never pass because if Republicans actually had to vote on 733 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 2: stripping funds from cancer from researching cancer cures, they would 734 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,919 Speaker 2: never go along with it. And I think we see 735 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 2: some indications of that. Katie Britt down in Alabama, one 736 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 2: of the major recipients of this type of funds is 737 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 2: the University of Alabama at Birmingham put a seven up 738 00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 2: on the screen. 739 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 4: She expressed some very much old. 740 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,280 Speaker 2: Concern here, you know, very very tupid, but an indication 741 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 2: that she was not really comfortable that. She said she 742 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 2: was going to work with RFK Junior to try to, 743 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 2: you know, deal with these cuts and try to mitigate 744 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 2: the damage that's being done here. They University of Alabama 745 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 2: Birmingham has received more than a billion dollars in NIH 746 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 2: funding in recent years. Like I said before, it really 747 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 2: is one of the top recipients. 748 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 4: She said. Quote. 749 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 2: While the administration works to achieve this goal at NIH, 750 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 2: a smart targeted approach is needed in order to not 751 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 2: hinder life saving, groundbreaking research at high achieving institutions like 752 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 2: those in Alabama. This university is also top employer in 753 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 2: the state, a very important economically prestige wise, et cetera, 754 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 2: et cetera. So she's concerned about that. Tommy Tuberville, on 755 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 2: the other hand, is all the board with it. He's 756 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 2: not concerned. 757 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 3: See that actually kind of highlights my point and that's 758 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 3: part of the problem with all of this is that 759 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 3: these are jobs programs like NIH and especially No Offense Alabama. 760 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 3: But you know, you're incredibly reliant on the federal government 761 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 3: in terms of spending coming in there. One of the 762 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 3: reasons why these senators and all of them don't want 763 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 3: to vote against it is that they create a lot 764 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 3: of jobs in their area, and the hospitals, unfortunately, this 765 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 3: gets to the heart of it, are some of the 766 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 3: biggest employers in the entire United States. And you actually 767 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 3: if you pull the employment data and really, unfortunately, if 768 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 3: you look at growing areas, one of the main drivers 769 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 3: of economic growth in a lot of states that are 770 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 3: non technology, non oil based is healthcare because so many 771 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,720 Speaker 3: Americans are sick. So there's just there's filthy, rich amount 772 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 3: of money to be made around this. And I don't 773 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 3: disagree with you. Four billion is nothing, okay, And I 774 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 3: know I'm sure people will clip it and make fun 775 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 3: of you. Oh four billion, how daries say? It's like, guys, 776 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,800 Speaker 3: we're talking in proportions, and I understand it sounds ridiculous, 777 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 3: but we have a fifteen trillion dollar, you know, economy, 778 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 3: the world's largest economy in the world. I guess I'm 779 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 3: just talking more at a principled level, where it comes 780 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 3: down to what the LAB leak showed me was again 781 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 3: the slush fund, the corruption for the jobs program. But 782 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 3: at a higher level it is important to say what 783 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,839 Speaker 3: are we getting out of this? And the truth is 784 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,319 Speaker 3: is that if anybody is getting rich or benefiting from 785 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 3: a lot of this research, it appears to be the 786 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 3: drug companies. To me, now, I'm not saying Trump and 787 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 3: all these other people are going to crack down on 788 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 3: spending for these drug companies or any of that. If 789 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 3: anything is likely the opposite for what we're going to 790 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,839 Speaker 3: see out of CMS and others, I would hope that 791 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,439 Speaker 3: we don't. But at a principal level, I do think 792 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 3: it is fair to say, and this is from my 793 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 3: understanding looking at some of humans and others talk about 794 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 3: the NIH as well, is that the current system very 795 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 3: clearly does not seem to be working. Now, how we 796 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 3: do that and how we change it is very important. 797 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,360 Speaker 3: Do I trust necessarily there's some grand arching plan, but 798 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,320 Speaker 3: it does seem as if there is just this runaway 799 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 3: not even runaway. There does seems to be a thoughtlessness 800 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 3: in the way that we just cut checks to all 801 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 3: of these different things. That does not fit with a 802 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 3: concerted strategy for the United States. So like we should 803 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 3: start with a couple of presumptions. It's like the United 804 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 3: States should. It's not about it's not just a cancer, 805 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 3: it's like, well, what is causing cancer? Now, obviously there's 806 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 3: research behind that, but as you just pointed out, with 807 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 3: the profit incentive in others, it all comes down to 808 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 3: like these crazy drugs which cost tons of money. What 809 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 3: RFK has said at least, and part of the reason 810 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,799 Speaker 3: I liked a lot of things he said for AHHS 811 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 3: was because it gets down to these chronic disease and 812 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 3: these factors that lead to the need for all of 813 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 3: these drugs. And it doesn't seem that all of our research, 814 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 3: our healthcare spending is in that direction. 815 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 2: But the problem isn't. So problem has been identified correctly 816 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 2: by you, that the NRFK that these chronic diseases are 817 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 2: you know, are literally killing us, big part of the 818 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 2: reason our life expectancy is going down, et cetera, et cetera. 819 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:45,440 Speaker 2: But the purported solution here will only make that issue 820 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 2: worse by pushing things away from public funding and towards 821 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 2: private industry funding. If you actually want to deal with that, 822 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 2: if you're actually serious about dealing with that, you have 823 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 2: to deal with the fact of the four of the 824 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 2: profit mode of being at the center of our healthcare system. 825 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 2: That is the root of all of this, I mean, 826 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 2: and that's why it's you know, we're the only developed 827 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 2: country that doesn't have universal health care and we get 828 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,399 Speaker 2: horrible results because it is. 829 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,800 Speaker 4: Profitable for people to be sick. 830 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 2: So while I totally agree with your diagnosis as the problem, 831 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 2: this purported solution pretty clearly to me makes things worse 832 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 2: because at least, you know, with the public research, as 833 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 2: I said before, every new drag molecule that's been discovered 834 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 2: has been publicly funded research. 835 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,360 Speaker 4: Okay, the private. 836 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 2: Industry, they like what counts for research and development there 837 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 2: is literally like figuring out how to gain the patent 838 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 2: system so that they can extend their patent monopolies on 839 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 2: whatever their most profitable product is. That's what counts for 840 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 2: research and development over there. So with this sort of change, 841 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 2: you're pushing things more in that direction. And this is 842 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 2: and this is again sort of the the elon anarcho 843 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 2: capitalist ideological direction. And he's said outright like he wants 844 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,920 Speaker 2: to privatize the entire federal government. He wants to his 845 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:18,240 Speaker 2: ideal utopian state is that there are no public sector workers, 846 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 2: that they're all quote unquote higher productivity private sector workers. Well, 847 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 2: we know there are certain things that if they're not like, 848 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,360 Speaker 2: if they're not profitable, the private sector is just not 849 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 2: going to do. 850 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 4: And certain things that are really important that the. 851 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 2: American people count on and depend on that have to 852 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 2: be housed under the federal government. So I see it 853 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 2: very much in the direction of mass privatization of public resources. 854 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 2: And I see it very much in the direction of 855 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 2: just trying to use whatever cugel you can to undercut 856 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:50,240 Speaker 2: the university system. 857 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:51,359 Speaker 4: Not to mention that. 858 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 2: Listen, sympathy for them, well I'm sure you don't, but 859 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 2: I mean that you have to not like that is 860 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 2: part of the ideological project here. So if so, the 861 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 2: other piece is like the way they did it is 862 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 2: brazenly illegal. And so if you want to cut the 863 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 2: research for cancer and other disease funds, you have to 864 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 2: go through Congress. You have to go through Congress. It's 865 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 2: really quite simple, not only because these grants have already 866 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 2: been written. It's in literally in the law, and actually 867 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 2: we could put a nine up on the screen because 868 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 2: this was pointed out by Susan Collins was the other person. 869 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 2: So she's objecting to the move to cut the NIH. 870 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 4: She told Robert F. 871 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 2: Kennedy about her strong opposition to arbitrary cuts. I think 872 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 2: she's still voting for him, though, but she said she 873 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,800 Speaker 2: called him to express her strong opposition to these arbitrary 874 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,319 Speaker 2: cuts and funding for vital research at our main institutions, 875 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,239 Speaker 2: which are known for their Excellency's promised as soon as 876 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,399 Speaker 2: he's confirmed, he'll reexamine this initiative that was implemented prior 877 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:51,320 Speaker 2: to his confirmation. 878 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 4: And if you think that RFK. 879 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,239 Speaker 2: Is gonna be running the show, I mean, I think 880 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,799 Speaker 2: it's pretty clear who's holding the reins in the federal 881 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,719 Speaker 2: government right now, our new CEO, Dictator King. But in 882 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:05,240 Speaker 2: any case, there's specific legislative language that says pretty directly 883 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 2: like once these funds go out, you cannot change the 884 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 2: ratios of the nature of the contracts that we've signed 885 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 2: and agreed to with these institutions. So you know, I 886 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 2: object to it on principle because I think it's a 887 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,799 Speaker 2: foolish place to cut I think it leaves us worse 888 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,799 Speaker 2: off in terms of health. I think it pushes things 889 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 2: more in the direction of private industry. 890 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 4: Et cetera. 891 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,279 Speaker 2: But I also think it's brazenly illegal, which is what 892 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 2: the court case obviously is about, and why the courts 893 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,839 Speaker 2: have this hasn't reached a final decision yet, but why 894 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:36,879 Speaker 2: the courts have come in and. 895 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 4: Said you, whohoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 896 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,239 Speaker 2: You cannot go forward with this until we this goes 897 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,360 Speaker 2: through litigation and we figure out what's going on. 898 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's been a right, it's already been shut down. 899 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 3: The NIH director Jay Baticharia actually still has not been 900 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 3: confirmed in the Senate, and as I understand that this 901 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 3: is something that they're going to try and put into 902 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,480 Speaker 3: the legislation. Yeah, I mean, look, I actually be curious 903 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,320 Speaker 3: because what I want to know is how is factly 904 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 3: you spent sixty percent on administrative on administrative budgets because 905 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,440 Speaker 3: from what I was reading, it seems that the sixty 906 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,560 Speaker 3: percent to fifteen what they were claiming in terms of 907 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 3: well be cut. They cited some of the things that 908 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:12,799 Speaker 3: you did, but it's like, well, how much of this, though, 909 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:13,839 Speaker 3: is administrative costs? 910 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:14,880 Speaker 1: Because that's one of those. 911 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,800 Speaker 3: Where if you look at overall growth and healthcare spending, 912 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 3: it's not just about the cost of services. A huge 913 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 3: reason why so many of our bills are so high 914 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 3: is directly tied to so many of these hospital administration costs. 915 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:27,359 Speaker 1: It's not one to one. 916 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,840 Speaker 3: I'm just giving an example of like, it's clear that 917 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,319 Speaker 3: quote unquote administrative costs has become a huge segment of 918 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 3: spending and that there just seems to be this endless 919 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,040 Speaker 3: money printer from the federal government for a lot of 920 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,800 Speaker 3: this stuff. So we could get back to just funding 921 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,520 Speaker 3: research or whatever, I'd be totally fine. 922 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:43,359 Speaker 1: Not even that. 923 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,400 Speaker 3: We just need a concerted national strategy and I'll give 924 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 3: it to you. 925 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 1: It's true. 926 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:48,880 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't feel like there's you know, some 927 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,840 Speaker 3: great big hand on the wheel. And that's probably the 928 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,360 Speaker 3: big difference from how this program and all of that. 929 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:56,600 Speaker 1: Was originally conceived. 930 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,319 Speaker 3: It's part of the reason why the instinct today is 931 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 3: to cut, cut, cut, is just simply it's like better 932 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 3: than just simply funding a bunch of make work jobs 933 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:04,920 Speaker 3: and all that. 934 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 2: But well, I would say the instinct is to cut cut, 935 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:13,200 Speaker 2: because that is Elon's specific ideological and cap project. You know, 936 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:18,400 Speaker 2: to render the federal government effectively irrelevant, small unable to 937 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:23,160 Speaker 2: check him and his ambitions, like that is his ideological project, 938 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,640 Speaker 2: and so he'll use whatever legit, you know, truly legitimate 939 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:33,280 Speaker 2: problems there are to justify accomplishing his goal of stripping 940 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,760 Speaker 2: the federal government down to the bones. In all areas, 941 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,360 Speaker 2: areas you'd agree with, areas you wouldn't agree with, et cetera. 942 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,200 Speaker 2: He will, you know, he'll say, so security is full 943 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,280 Speaker 2: of fraud. That's why we have to cut entitlements. He'll say, Medicare, 944 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,200 Speaker 2: Medicaid also full of fraw. That's why I have to 945 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 2: cut entitlements. Obviously with this one. Oh, you know, nih 946 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,920 Speaker 2: it's this is preposterous. These administrative overhead it's all a 947 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,000 Speaker 2: push towards privatization. It's a push towards stripping down the government. 948 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:00,520 Speaker 2: It's a push towards and we can see this in 949 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,200 Speaker 2: some of the agencies that he specifically targeted that have 950 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:07,600 Speaker 2: investigated him or gone after his business interests, or that 951 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,440 Speaker 2: are just simply strategic in terms of making the case 952 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,600 Speaker 2: that like, oh, we can just cut an entire agency 953 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,800 Speaker 2: like USAID and not involve Congress, and it's perfectly fine. 954 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,880 Speaker 2: So you know, to me, it's about his overall ideological 955 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 2: project that he is pursuing because you know, he's decided 956 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:26,799 Speaker 2: that he should be king