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Speaker 4: Yeah, as we dive into for a lot of topics, Sadri. Yes,
Speaker 4: the Eagles are Super Bowl champions as heck prediction as
Speaker 4: Barry Church, you predicted that they would be Super Bowl champions.
Speaker 4: Heckmany you had Philadelphia winning. Yeah that was big man.
Speaker 4: Uh Church, I don't know where you were, but you did.
Speaker 4: I did pick phil pick Philly to win. So there
Speaker 4: you go, so so good on you. Good on, Yes, sir, Yes,
Speaker 4: I picked Cansas City and.
Speaker 5: Which was confusing, which was I'm gonna go back to
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go back to it because you rode so hard,
Speaker 5: not just with Jalen Hurst but just with what Howie
Speaker 5: Roseman and the Eagles were doing from the beginning beginning
Speaker 5: of season.
Speaker 2: You rolled with them.
Speaker 5: And when it got down to the end, you you
Speaker 5: you something happened.
Speaker 2: I'll redo it again. You got some information.
Speaker 4: And I said, you know the Eagles with their defense,
Speaker 4: you know, I love the defense, and but I didn't
Speaker 4: trust the coaching taking Andy Reid over Nick Sirianni and
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes being Patrick Mahomes. When is Mahomes lost these
Speaker 4: these types of games. It was when todm brady be
Speaker 4: it when he was in New England and when he
Speaker 4: was in Tampa.
Speaker 2: That's when he's said, until I see.
Speaker 4: It happened, I gotta keep rolling with it despite knowing
Speaker 4: that you know, usually number one defense Barkley, that usually
Speaker 4: gets you done. But and I was wrong. And you
Speaker 4: know what, there's two things that happened out of this.
Speaker 4: One happy for Jalen Hurts. All the negative stuff that
Speaker 4: it was, you know, pretty fun when you go on
Speaker 4: social media and all the people who were.
Speaker 2: Killing this key, killing killing this kid man.
Speaker 5: I mean looking at me like that, what did you
Speaker 5: you know?
Speaker 2: You know you were you were, you were in the mall.
Speaker 2: It was right like January sixth, that you're not gonna
Speaker 2: do it? Back up? Back up? Hello, holdo, hold up,
Speaker 2: hold up. I was I was all up, all up
Speaker 2: you see killing that black quarterback.
Speaker 4: So so it's definitely happy for the kid, yes, may
Speaker 4: sci fi man proud, but also just for the fact
Speaker 4: that you just when the first.
Speaker 2: Time in the Eagles played the Pagers, I picked them
Speaker 2: to win.
Speaker 4: Okay, maybe if this happens, the man upstairs who owns and.
Speaker 2: The generalman, maybe thattle just kind of hey, man, we
Speaker 2: need spend money. Spend the money. Got him because Eagles
Speaker 2: spend his money. Spend the money, spend some money. So
Speaker 2: what did the Eagle when you saw them win? Are
Speaker 2: you okay?
Speaker 5: I'm good, I'm okay now, thank you, thank you for
Speaker 5: the been to the Super Bowl now past couple of
Speaker 5: years three times.
Speaker 4: Two, one, two, and three with two different coaches different,
Speaker 4: two different quarterbacks, two differents running backs, basically different different
Speaker 4: defensive mind yeah, two different teams kind of you know
Speaker 4: you think about it, that's wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's I guess what's happened when he spent a
Speaker 2: little bread man?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So they hired Dug Peterson and Nick Sirianni
Speaker 4: and look what it got on man. During that time,
Speaker 4: you had, you know, Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy, But you
Speaker 4: had a guy.
Speaker 2: Here, Yeah, you had you fight you here, you just
Speaker 2: had him here.
Speaker 5: He told to get out the middle, get out here,
Speaker 5: don't get out of the building, and he got fired
Speaker 5: at the next job he went to.
Speaker 2: He did do that. Then he went to Philadelphia and
Speaker 2: ends up. I got come on, we got come on now,
Speaker 2: come on. But now while guys y'all gonna start off like, whoa,
Speaker 2: what's so on? What can I that? I can't see
Speaker 2: that now, man, I can't say that now, what's wrong?
Speaker 2: What's the issue? Listen?
Speaker 5: Okay, you were about to ask a question, you get
Speaker 5: you got side tracked. Yes, you were asking I forgot
Speaker 5: to let him get his flo got know what happened?
Speaker 5: Can we talk about what happened?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 5: Look, you know, I will say this. It's hard to
Speaker 5: mess up something. It's hard to make it. Go ahead,
Speaker 5: go ahead, go ahead. When you have a running game
Speaker 5: that allows you to be balanced, allows you come on,
Speaker 5: you a defensive guy. So you absolutely saw what play
Speaker 5: Action was doing in Kansas City?
Speaker 2: Are keeping up? Look, I'll tell you what this is.
Speaker 2: What he did.
Speaker 5: He did not get fancy. He stayed within himself. He played,
Speaker 5: he stayed true to the scheme, and he didn't double, reverse, flee,
Speaker 5: flicker anything crazy. And I give Kellen credit for that.
Speaker 5: He did not go away from it. He had he
Speaker 5: carved him up. He exposed a lot of what Kansas
Speaker 5: City's defense had been doing all season. Okay, but he
Speaker 5: didn't get fancy. And what have we seen Kellen do
Speaker 5: over the years get to fancy band in the run?
Speaker 5: He stuck to Even with thirty yards in the first half,
Speaker 5: he still stuck to the run. And he's still allowed
Speaker 5: for Jalen Hurts to do exactly what was in his
Speaker 5: wheelhouse and make the throws, not crazy throws, but exploit
Speaker 5: the one on ones.
Speaker 2: He did that the entire game. That's so, That's soll Kellen.
Speaker 2: No this one said.
Speaker 5: I'm saying that Kellen through the playoffs, they they went
Speaker 5: through a gauntlet also, and so through the playoffs, man,
Speaker 5: he played it.
Speaker 2: Straight to his vest. He didn't do anything tricky.
Speaker 5: And I think that having Saquon Barkley as a running
Speaker 5: back really benefited him.
Speaker 4: I mean, we got we gotta we can't ignore that.
Speaker 4: Do you look at the number rushing yards. I can't
Speaker 4: remember what it was during the game, but it was
Speaker 4: like the most we'd ever seen in a in a
Speaker 4: season when you added all of the games twenty five
Speaker 4: hundred yards. Yes, they played, they played one more regular
Speaker 4: season game. But just from the standpoint of what he did,
Speaker 4: Kellen Moore did a good job in making sure where
Speaker 4: they stayed with this is what we do.
Speaker 2: We run the ball.
Speaker 4: This was something that had been used against him that
Speaker 4: he flipped the script. And he's now the head coach for.
Speaker 2: The New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 4: So what he was told he wasn't and could not
Speaker 4: do almost fit along there with Jalen Hurts. Hey, they
Speaker 4: say we're this. We've just showed you where that and
Speaker 4: for the rest of their lives, nobody can say Jalen
Speaker 4: Hurts and Kellen Moore can't do it.
Speaker 2: So you hit your fly. I just wanted y'all to say,
Speaker 2: the man did a good They hit your fly. He
Speaker 2: did agree good job.
Speaker 7: He did a wonderful job not messing it up as
Speaker 7: an offensive coordinator. He did exactly what a great offensive
Speaker 7: coordinator would do it And.
Speaker 4: I give him credit for that because so many times
Speaker 4: we've seen people who have done that very thing and
Speaker 4: messed it up.
Speaker 7: Oh, we can go to the Guntlet look at the
Speaker 7: Baltimore Ravens and we're going they get to the playoffs,
Speaker 7: they think this corference, the cordator thinks he's too good for.
Speaker 2: This, that and the third. We're gonna switch everything up.
Speaker 2: You look at the Kansas City Chiefs. Even with Andy Reid,
Speaker 2: you run the ball for three times?
Speaker 5: He was were he hell HeLa, hold he holloway wait
Speaker 5: wait wait wait wait wait hey, hey, hold on hello.
Speaker 2: Andy knew from the first quarter he couldn't run the
Speaker 2: ball to Philly. Yeah, twenty five rushes for fifty seven.
Speaker 2: You can't run the ball.
Speaker 5: And if you try to run the ball, look what happened,
Speaker 5: You got forty burged on you, multiple interceptions.
Speaker 2: We like, you gotta have some type of balance. If
Speaker 2: they would have tried to run the ball, they got
Speaker 2: to be sixty to twitter.
Speaker 4: Do you know what I'll just say, if they tried
Speaker 4: to run the ball, it would not have been as
Speaker 4: bad because they'd have used more than clock. Okay, but
Speaker 4: you were still leading that game because they had that
Speaker 4: number one defense on all three levels. Just came vic
Speaker 4: vic Fangio. Had he had he had he had the
Speaker 4: answer to the test.
Speaker 5: Listen, listen, I ain't not the same hold on but
Speaker 5: Vic Dangil had Bluebrint the blueprint.
Speaker 2: Hey, but oh it's the Cowboy looked up. But how
Speaker 2: hard is it?
Speaker 5: How hard is it when you have Jalen Carter in
Speaker 5: the middle of your of your defense being triple team
Speaker 5: sweat is eating guys on the outside of me? Come on,
Speaker 5: when you got a guy that's a space eater like that,
Speaker 5: that's what you need. That's the when we say our
Speaker 5: one technique, our three technique, look at look no.
Speaker 2: Further than what they're doing in Philly in the middle
Speaker 2: of their defense.
Speaker 4: Which leads me back to what I was gonna ask.
Speaker 4: When you watch this game, what did you see from
Speaker 4: their football team that won a world championship that you say, Okay,
Speaker 4: this is where the Cowboys need to look at because
Speaker 4: the first thing you have to do is try to win.
Speaker 2: Your division absolutely right away. You got to do that.
Speaker 2: Philadelphia is the standard.
Speaker 4: Washington is coming up right behind Philadelphia, and to me,
Speaker 4: it's the D line. I have harped on this since
Speaker 4: last year doing this show. You you brought in Mike Zimmer,
Speaker 4: you didn't have what Mike Zimmer needed upfront at all.
Speaker 2: He liked big people. You didn't have big people.
Speaker 4: Then when the people they brought in, these dudes off
Speaker 4: couches couldn't really give you much, they gave you what
Speaker 4: they could. I'm not gonna get mad at them. They'll
Speaker 4: be mad at They'll be mad at folks that hire them.
Speaker 4: Philadelphia's front four was able to get after Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 4: and allow Zach Bahn.
Speaker 2: And Cooper Dejean to do what they did.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, the Cowboys still have an issue, in my opinion,
Speaker 4: on the defensive line, where we're talking about these tackles
Speaker 4: and the ability to stop, to run and create pressure.
Speaker 5: In the same vein that you're talking about your draft
Speaker 5: to beat your division. I'm looking at that game and
Speaker 5: I'm saying to any draft expert for the Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 5: it's talking about Ashon gent or any wide receiver and
Speaker 5: their first two picks first three, I'm like, you're delusional.
Speaker 5: You're not watching what's happening in the NFC East right now.
Speaker 5: If you're not talking offensive or defensive line with those
Speaker 5: first two picks, then you're missing the boat. Because what's
Speaker 5: gonna happen next year That young defensive line that is
Speaker 5: already a Super Bowl champion. They're doing nothing but gaining
Speaker 5: more confidence. They're gonna come to the table now. Howie
Speaker 5: Roseman doesn't have anything to do but add the more
Speaker 5: pieces to what he already has. And we are compromised.
Speaker 5: Off You look at where we are, Zach Martin talking
Speaker 5: about you know he will come back, or he's thinking
Speaker 5: about what, you know, whatever it is. Where you are
Speaker 5: at the center position, where you are on the offense,
Speaker 5: at the left and right tackle position.
Speaker 2: You're compromising every way. Coming into a new regime with
Speaker 2: a new coach.
Speaker 5: If you do not solidify free agent draft offensive line
Speaker 5: and defensive line, you're fooling yourself.
Speaker 7: It's around and to me, I go back to something
Speaker 7: I said a couple of weeks ago. One side of
Speaker 7: the ball has to become the option that you go with.
Speaker 7: And I'm not saying it has to be dominant, but
Speaker 7: it has to be head and shoulder above the other side.
Speaker 7: Because you have too many holes on both sides of
Speaker 7: this football team to be able to say, all right,
Speaker 7: we're gonna do it all that once we're gonna fill
Speaker 7: both sides. It's just not gonna work out. That way,
Speaker 7: you've got to pick a side that you want to
Speaker 7: be dominant and when you want to lean this football
Speaker 7: team on. And for me, I'm with NWI on this one.
Speaker 7: When you talk about the defensive line, I mean you
Speaker 7: got you gotta star and Parsons. We all understand that.
Speaker 7: But outside of Parsons, you gotta figure something else out
Speaker 7: because we know that one man cannot just you know,
Speaker 7: defeat the NFC East.
Speaker 2: You gotta have some help on that side.
Speaker 7: And to me, you gotta make sure you figure out
Speaker 7: that defensive line or offensive line because that's where games
Speaker 7: are one.
Speaker 2: Which is in the trenches.
Speaker 4: So let's take a break. When we come back, let's
Speaker 4: talk about some additions that they've made in the coaching staff,
Speaker 4: and let's start diving into what we're talking about. Your
Speaker 4: big concern your offensive line and being able to get
Speaker 4: right in the trenches on both sides. But we'll start
Speaker 4: on offense then we'll flip it later on.
Speaker 2: In defense.
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Speaker 4: All right, we're talking about the offensive line and talking
Speaker 4: about trying to get yourself straight on the trench.
Speaker 2: Because you're looking at we're kind of basing this off
Speaker 2: Philadelphia winning the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: What are some things you need to do because this
Speaker 4: is the standard right now in the league, and how
Speaker 4: you do it.
Speaker 2: You gotta win your division.
Speaker 4: So Brian shott Hiven, new head coach, who wants to
Speaker 4: run the football that is his history, is bringing in
Speaker 4: offensive coordinator Clayton Adams, who was the old line coach
Speaker 4: at Arizona. They wanted to run the ball there. Their
Speaker 4: offensive line coach is Connor Riley, who worked at Kansas State.
Speaker 4: Kansas State, he was played up there. I was at
Speaker 4: a game this year up there.
Speaker 2: They run.
Speaker 4: They're good upfront. Cooper bebe or starting center is a
Speaker 4: guy that Riley has some work with. So they're going
Speaker 4: to run the football. Your concern was the offensive line.
Speaker 4: I don't know if they're going to use a top
Speaker 4: two draft pick on an offensive lineman. You have so
Speaker 4: many holes? What maybe what Brian Schottenheimer and Clayton Adams
Speaker 4: and Connor Riiley are saying, let's look at what we have.
Speaker 2: How do we make it better? Not going to give
Speaker 2: up on guy. No, you're not. He's the first round
Speaker 2: pick on it.
Speaker 4: And I think if you get you get Will McClay
Speaker 4: one on one, he'll he'll talk about it and say,
Speaker 4: we we thought this was a project.
Speaker 2: We like the player, and.
Speaker 4: If I just try to be mister positivity, go ahead.
Speaker 4: They tell you the biggest growth is from year one
Speaker 4: to year two. The process now for Guidon has to
Speaker 4: be number one. Look at himself. Are you going to
Speaker 4: do the work that needs to be done to get better,
Speaker 4: get stronger? Do those things on him? Then the other
Speaker 4: part is the coaches. How did the coaches help unlock
Speaker 4: what his talent is? Terrence Steals another question, does this
Speaker 4: coaching change help him? If you look at what Arizona had,
Speaker 4: they had a mix. You know, they had some they
Speaker 4: had some highly drafted guys, they had some they had
Speaker 4: some better. You know, they had to mix a guy.
Speaker 4: It wasn't just like, hey man, here's here's Zach Martin.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: His Travis Frederick and here's times we got three number
Speaker 4: one guy. They didn't have all that. So figure out
Speaker 4: how you make that mix work, because a lot of
Speaker 4: teams have made it work mixing it. So to me
Speaker 4: that right there, hekma is what do these three men
Speaker 4: do in terms of what they have for right now?
Speaker 5: I think ideally you come into every game telling yourself
Speaker 5: that you could run the ball. The Cowboys came with
Speaker 5: that approach last season, and they quickly found out that
Speaker 5: they couldn't because they didn't have the pieces upfront. And
Speaker 5: if you're not going to give up on guid and
Speaker 5: that's fine, I'm not asking them too. Just what I
Speaker 5: don't want the Cowboys to do anymore is reach in
Speaker 5: the draft at the first pick Okay, you've done that
Speaker 5: two years in a row. You've reached, reached on a
Speaker 5: guy that was going to be playing in the scheme
Speaker 5: that you were not currently playing. You reached on a
Speaker 5: guy that didn't have a lot of reps at the
Speaker 5: position that you were going to put.
Speaker 2: Don't reach.
Speaker 5: If a guy is a left guard in college, he's
Speaker 5: going to be a left guard in the pros.
Speaker 2: Let's not try and make him a tight end. All right.
Speaker 5: Bring this guy in and let him be who he is.
Speaker 5: Let his talent flourish right now, guiding wherever he is.
Speaker 5: If you listen to the show man, get in the
Speaker 5: weight room, getting the weight room, gets stronger, build yourself up,
Speaker 5: because I think strength was the biggest part of his
Speaker 5: game that was missing, and when he tried to when
Speaker 5: he was in, you could just tell he just wasn't
Speaker 5: ready for that pro level strength. If they're gonna move
Speaker 5: him out to right, okay, that's yet to be seen.
Speaker 5: But Terren Steel, his play has completely dropped from what
Speaker 5: we've seen over the previous years. And at this new offense,
Speaker 5: this new regime is believing that the Cowboys can run
Speaker 5: the ball with the five that we saw last season.
Speaker 5: Then how like, what are you gonna do different with
Speaker 5: this group of guys unless you mix in another one
Speaker 5: of those players, like you said, Arizona has a mix
Speaker 5: of guys. This is maybe a one end with but
Speaker 5: you gotta get a dog mentality up front because you
Speaker 5: don't have it. Guys were catching all season. Teams were
Speaker 5: taking advantage of them, they were sending blitzes. They were
Speaker 5: in the run I mean, we're come away with from
Speaker 5: games twenty six yards in the rushing games.
Speaker 4: You're heck man, I mean, and I'm not here to
Speaker 4: sit up here at all say you're wrong. This is
Speaker 4: why there has been a coaching change, and this is
Speaker 4: why you're looking at these three new men here, because
Speaker 4: you had a guy who.
Speaker 2: Was committed to throwing the ball. Ye okay, Matt. I mean,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, we think about Ezekiel Ellie.
Speaker 2: In the end of Ezekiel.
Speaker 4: When they hired Mike McCarthy, his contract really became a
Speaker 4: bad contract because you went from a running back who's
Speaker 4: supposed to be the centerpiece of a team to a
Speaker 4: guy who wants to throw the football and his history
Speaker 4: was always about doing that. With Brett Fahr and Aaron
Speaker 4: Rodgers when he was with the Packers.
Speaker 5: I just want to add this this last piece. All
Speaker 5: I'm asking for is execution in the running game. The
Speaker 5: new coaches, let's execute.
Speaker 2: That's that's it.
Speaker 5: We find out if we're gonna stay with ric o'dodell,
Speaker 5: what type of run scheme works best for him. Every
Speaker 5: running back is in one size fits all type runner
Speaker 5: and Barkley all you.
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: And so God you have Let's find out what this
Speaker 5: guy likes and let's execute what he does well. And
Speaker 5: that's what I didn't see last season from the running attack.
Speaker 5: And when you're not committed to the run and you
Speaker 5: let's be honest. Okay, we we didn't sugarcoated on this show.
Speaker 5: We talked about, Man, this doesn't look good. Run game
Speaker 5: didn't look good. Who what you were trying to run
Speaker 5: out there with these running backs?
Speaker 2: Look good? You play fantacy football this year? When when
Speaker 2: did the Cowboy running backs get drafted? If they did,
Speaker 2: it was late.
Speaker 4: And if you play fantasy football and you and you
Speaker 4: live here, normally you get the CD Land win.
Speaker 2: Like people the Cowboys get got early and and and
Speaker 2: look people looking at running backs. Yeah, you waiver. Why
Speaker 2: not the waiver right eventual, let me get right.
Speaker 4: So so even the fans who just playing games, we're like, so,
Speaker 4: so figure that out and I'll switch it into this.
Speaker 2: Okay. And we talked before Ashton Genty, who heck mccovered.
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Speaker 2: He could potentially be there at twelve.
Speaker 4: Most people who do this draft ranking thing think Ashton
Speaker 4: Genty is the best running back in the draft.
Speaker 2: You get a running back of of good talent.
Speaker 4: You see what Sakwon Barkley did in Philly where he
Speaker 4: they went Super Bowl to the Giants, where he helped
Speaker 4: this sorry team at least just live and.
Speaker 2: When he left he saw it right, fell out of it.
Speaker 4: So a good running back can help your offense, can
Speaker 4: help your quarterback, can help your defense because you can
Speaker 4: run the ball and take time off the clock.
Speaker 2: I do think they got to get better on the
Speaker 2: defensive line.
Speaker 4: But if you tell me they went running back, I
Speaker 4: would not HECKMA say oh no, because in some ways,
Speaker 4: if you do that part right, you can help your
Speaker 4: defensive line.
Speaker 2: I still think the defensive line is booty.
Speaker 6: This is not.
Speaker 2: This ain't gonna win.
Speaker 4: But if could you sell me this and me say, okay,
Speaker 4: I mean Nate Newton, the great Nate Newton we all love,
Speaker 4: won three Super Bowl He's like man Emmet got here
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, I was pro. I was the
Speaker 4: Pro Bowl lineman before that. You know, when they was
Speaker 4: running out Paula, you're too young, Paul Palmer, he was
Speaker 4: just the guy.
Speaker 2: He comes in it. Nate hal So So so it's
Speaker 2: not it's not that crazy. We saw it with Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 4: Ezekiel Elliott made a difference, and to the credit of
Speaker 4: the organization, they decided to run the ball. They're going
Speaker 4: back to that. They're saying, Okay, we're gonna make it
Speaker 4: a premium. We're gonna figure this out. Awesome Richards, who
Speaker 4: we didn't talk about as an offensive lineman. Hacken, there's
Speaker 4: another young man to consider that you put in this thing.
Speaker 4: So that's why I'm sitting to myself in maybe offensive
Speaker 4: line the first shoe resist is something you need to do.
Speaker 4: Maybe you look at what we have like a chef,
Speaker 4: what are the ingredients that I got right here? How
Speaker 4: got I put the most seasoning here? Or I put this,
Speaker 4: How do I help put these guys in better position?
Speaker 4: Because right out of the gate, they're going to go
Speaker 4: from pass mode to run mode.
Speaker 2: You gotta have more season in that back for sure.
Speaker 2: Lowry just put the whole old Bay in.
Speaker 4: Like p that holy voodoo to meet chr You got
Speaker 4: Uncle White Blanco, whatever you do.
Speaker 2: Yes, you gotta have season in there.
Speaker 7: Because when you look at when the Cowboys had their
Speaker 7: best years when I was here in fourteen, we had
Speaker 7: DeMarco Murray, Sure we went sixteen, Ezekiel Elliott showed up,
Speaker 7: you know, eighteen they had you know, Zeke near balling
Speaker 7: as well. And you look on the defensive side of
Speaker 7: the ball in fourteen, you know, we was led by
Speaker 7: George menci In, George Selvey, you know, but we had
Speaker 7: that on the offensive side of the football where they
Speaker 7: can take the time they needed, they can own time
Speaker 7: of possession, and they rested that defense.
Speaker 2: So we had to come out there. We was fresh,
Speaker 2: We was ready to roll.
Speaker 7: So that's why when you when you look in the backfield,
Speaker 7: you gotta have somebody that's a little bit dynamic. Nothing
Speaker 7: against ric O'Donnell, but he was a you know, straight line.
Speaker 7: My holes here, I gotta go hit this hole. Sometimes
Speaker 7: you need guys that are they're not gonna follow the
Speaker 7: coaching exactly right. They're gonna look at it, They're go
Speaker 7: and use their vision, and they're gonna make something out
Speaker 7: of nothing. And that's what I think we were kind
Speaker 7: of lacking last year in the run game, where later
Speaker 7: on in the season, yeah it picked up rical you know,
Speaker 7: got over a thousand yards, But when you look at it,
Speaker 7: we gotta have that guy to make something out of
Speaker 7: nothing that'll make guys mistackles in the backfield. And that's
Speaker 7: what Demo and Zeke those are great running backs. Don't
Speaker 7: get you a great runningacks, but those were those type
Speaker 7: of guys can do to an organization and to an offense.
Speaker 7: So to me, you gotta have a little bit more
Speaker 7: seasoning back there. So I don't know which way you
Speaker 7: you you dice it first. Do you look at the
Speaker 7: officer line, because granted, you know, and and when we
Speaker 7: had Demo and Zeke, you had Frederick Zach Martin, the
Speaker 7: young Tyron Smith, so.
Speaker 2: Maybe they had a lot to do with it. But
Speaker 2: to me, I don't know which way you attack it first.
Speaker 2: Didn't have a bunch of spares. You had a bunch
Speaker 2: of guys.
Speaker 5: That offensive line was what it was, Ezekiel Elliott, he
Speaker 5: walked into a great situation with an offensive line that
Speaker 5: was pushing guys to the gatorade buckets. I'm just saying,
Speaker 5: for a guy like Ashton Genty, what you're talking about
Speaker 5: as far as that vision and ability to break off
Speaker 5: runs he has that You've seen it at a level
Speaker 5: at Boise State, and I think you're almost tempted to
Speaker 5: make that pick at twelve, but you need so many
Speaker 5: other things. So if you bring in an Ashton Genty,
Speaker 5: how effective can he be behind an offensive line that
Speaker 5: wasn't allowing for even a D level running back to flourish.
Speaker 4: I don't want to make an excuse. I just want
Speaker 4: us to kind of remember what we saw and what
Speaker 4: could be.
Speaker 6: This year.
Speaker 2: You saw a Zach Martin deteriorate.
Speaker 4: Okay, absolutely, you were expecting another all Pro performance right guard.
Speaker 2: You did not get it. He was hurt. He's even
Speaker 2: talking about not coming back. So that was one spot.
Speaker 4: Next to Zach is a center who's never played it before,
Speaker 4: who play guard, who played guard, was All American guard
Speaker 4: at Kansas State. So you put him at center, so
Speaker 4: he had an adjustment and there are times when teams
Speaker 4: were able to take advantage of that. Then you go
Speaker 4: over to your left tackle. You put a right tackle
Speaker 4: in college and a left tackle and he struggled. So
Speaker 4: you had three spots that had warts. BB got better
Speaker 4: during the year. Obviously we saw with Geyton there are
Speaker 4: times they put Austin Richards there. So that's happened last year.
Speaker 4: That's why I talk about these three men here. You're
Speaker 4: offensive coach, office coordinator, you're head coach who want.
Speaker 2: To run the football.
Speaker 4: That's their job right now to get in this offseason
Speaker 4: and say, hey, what is it that we think we
Speaker 4: can do, what we think we can improve and how
Speaker 4: can we get these two younger guys better? And oh,
Speaker 4: by the way, at Austin Richards into this mix. So
Speaker 4: maybe it's between Richards and Geiton of what they try
Speaker 4: to figure out at this left tackle spot and then
Speaker 4: the center spot. And this would be a great conversation
Speaker 4: to have. Do you leave BB there or do you
Speaker 4: put BB it right guard? Or do you decide to
Speaker 4: at some point in time to address right guard, do
Speaker 4: you go in for it?
Speaker 2: What do you do you have?
Speaker 4: These these are things you've got to try to fix.
Speaker 4: But that's the job here, especially as you want to
Speaker 4: run the ball.
Speaker 5: And I think to me and Louie, I think from
Speaker 5: just my experience, man, I think that run blocking is
Speaker 5: easier for offensive linemen. This is something that they love
Speaker 5: to do, running downhill on guys. And when you're when
Speaker 5: you're a team that doesn't run, you have guys that
Speaker 5: don't run block, well, it really isn't.
Speaker 2: A lot of space to go any anywhere else.
Speaker 5: And so, like I said, the execution for me is
Speaker 5: give me my five best offensive linemen that love to
Speaker 5: get dirty on Sunday, that love to mow guys down.
Speaker 5: Because that's what I that's what I saw last Sunday
Speaker 5: from Philadelphia. They got to the point, even with Jones
Speaker 5: over there, mowing these guys down all the way to
Speaker 5: the second level. You know, we didn't get that type
Speaker 5: of aggression offensive whether it was we were playing with
Speaker 5: a fifth round guy, none of those. When I think
Speaker 5: of offensive line, I'm just saying to myself, at the
Speaker 5: least you ought to be able to just go straight
Speaker 5: and put your hands on this guy and open up
Speaker 5: a hole, or at least give this guy sliver of room.
Speaker 2: We didn't have that.
Speaker 5: And so when I we could go through those awesome Richers,
Speaker 5: we could go through all of those different names. But
Speaker 5: if we're not putting the five best guys out there
Speaker 5: to give us an opportunity to win, and I know
Speaker 5: this is just no brainer here, we're fooling ourselves. Man,
Speaker 5: We're going back to the same thing. We're gonna have
Speaker 5: the same result next year that we had this year.
Speaker 2: Y'all. I think some of that was forced.
Speaker 7: Like when you look at just Chris the highest draft
Speaker 7: picking there, because when you had a guy in Hoffman.
Speaker 7: Now I'm not saying he's the greatest center of all time,
Speaker 7: but that was a guy that was nasty, rogue runner
Speaker 7: greater and you just just see when he was on
Speaker 7: that offsive line when Connor BB Cooper b Cooper Cooper
Speaker 7: BB went down whatever.
Speaker 2: That guy had some nasty to him.
Speaker 5: He stepped into the will Awesome Richards played with Camp
Speaker 5: like it's just like all camp. And I heard you
Speaker 5: talk about Austin Richards during camp, you and Nate talking
Speaker 5: about Austin Richards during camp, and then when the season starts,
Speaker 5: they put Guidon back in there, and it's like and yeah,
Speaker 5: and you, being a former NFL player, you know.
Speaker 2: Where guy stock is.
Speaker 5: When he's taken as a first round pick, you're gonna
Speaker 5: have more more rope to fail than another guy would.
Speaker 2: And they just didn't give Austin Richards a shot. And
Speaker 2: it's a new day.
Speaker 4: It's a new day talking about the Cowboys offensive line
Speaker 4: and a commitment to the run game. And I think
Speaker 4: we have to start to talk about that when you
Speaker 4: start to look at Hope and say, Okay, what happened
Speaker 4: under the past under Mike McCarthy's that's the past because
Speaker 4: Mike was a passing guy. Now you're gonna bringing Brian
Speaker 4: shott Hiber who is committed to the run and the
Speaker 4: highers they've made so far. Tell tell Cowboy fans look
Speaker 4: for the run. I do think the first thing you've
Speaker 4: got to do is look and say, what is in
Speaker 4: the toolbox that we have of offensive alignment.
Speaker 2: Let's look in here. How do you make some of
Speaker 2: these guys better?
Speaker 4: How do you put some of these guys in a
Speaker 4: differ position way that look at that, then decide to
Speaker 4: make whatever editions you want to. Maybe it's just a
Speaker 4: simple as signing. Maybe there's a couple of offensive linemen
Speaker 4: that our veterans think about, like a guy like brock Hoffman.
Speaker 4: I could easily see brock Hoffman leaving and somebody else saying, hey,
Speaker 4: look look at the little bit of nasty and we
Speaker 4: want to get asked something.
Speaker 2: We want that.
Speaker 4: So the fact that you're at least saying we want
Speaker 4: to run the ball changes the mentality from what you
Speaker 4: had before, and you may value some things differently of
Speaker 4: what you talked about. Heck, hey man, this dude wanted
Speaker 4: to go into he wanted to get getting a dog on.
Speaker 2: Phone booth, a fight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but if you if you don't want to fight
Speaker 4: because you want to pass like, it's a different kind
Speaker 4: of guy. So that's why I'm very eager to see
Speaker 4: what it is they do and what the mentality they have.
Speaker 4: And then with a guy like Guidon, what can he
Speaker 4: do to get better? Tear Steel was had a rough
Speaker 4: rookie and then he approved in her too. That's what
Speaker 4: I said, And I'm not I'm not trying to be
Speaker 4: happy happy go go guy, but I am just saying,
Speaker 4: this is what you have to do in the league today.
Speaker 4: If you're trying to win, you can't just throw everybody out.
Speaker 5: And go back to Philadelphia people that hadn't even talked
Speaker 5: about the fact that their star center retired before the season,
Speaker 5: and that wasn't even something that I mean, obviously Saquan
Speaker 5: is go back to what Saquon doing in the vision
Speaker 5: that you're talking about a guy like that. The hole's
Speaker 5: not there, it's over here in his ability to redirect
Speaker 5: based off of that. But that's a big hole in
Speaker 5: your offensive line that's missing that seemingly nobody even missed
Speaker 5: this dudey.
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame center, yes gone, and Kellen Moore and
Speaker 4: company plugged it in. Now I'm gonna just say this,
Speaker 4: just say this real quick. And we talked about Ashton
Speaker 4: Genty HEGMA brings up the great point Hall of Fame
Speaker 4: Center gone, outstanding running back there that you didn't miss
Speaker 4: him because he's got that much talent that you could
Speaker 4: plug in a guy, because when you got that much talent,
Speaker 4: you're gonna make that guy look a little bit better.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Now with Kelsey there, maybe he does break Eric Dickinson's record,
Speaker 4: but it was dog gone good enough to put a
Speaker 4: ring on you, because that's what a special.
Speaker 2: Running back can do.
Speaker 4: Lots of great stuff there they're gonna have options in
Speaker 4: the first round. All right, we got one more break
Speaker 4: to take. Then we'll get back here and dive into
Speaker 4: some maybe some defensive stuff here. Also wide receiver. I'm
Speaker 4: just gonna throw this out here because we did it
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Speaker 2: I'm new. Let's throw about wide receiver twelve.
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Speaker 2: I knew he struck.
Speaker 4: So we had this conversation on the media, mash yet
Speaker 4: cowboys at twelve. Now we've talked about trenches, especially considering
Speaker 4: what Philadelphia did do trenches, trenchwork.
Speaker 2: The name Teed McMillan from Arizona.
Speaker 4: From Arizona, six foot five, twelve, he came to Fort
Speaker 4: Worth to play in Arizona's not good home boy still,
Speaker 4: but he's still getting his He is a difference maker.
Speaker 4: And then the conversation was hell, okay, heckman, this is
Speaker 4: a good right you talked about.
Speaker 2: Don't go for me. When you draft for need you
Speaker 2: get into problem Tech McMillan.
Speaker 4: If he's sitting here at twelve, a lot of people
Speaker 4: think this is the best wide receiver in the draft.
Speaker 2: You do, we do.
Speaker 4: We talked about it with CD in the eighties last year.
Speaker 4: If the best player on your board is Tech McMillan
Speaker 4: and you're sitting here at twelve, what do you do?
Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 7: If you had a Joe Burrow at the quarterback position,
Speaker 7: who we've seen with no offensive line gets getting destroyed
Speaker 7: but still able to put up crazy numbers and still
Speaker 7: able to carry his team to the promised land. I
Speaker 7: would say, okay, go what you need to make his
Speaker 7: life easier. But you know, right now we don't. We
Speaker 7: don't have Joe Brow at the quarterback position. And to me,
Speaker 7: that means you got a solidifier guys in front. That way,
Speaker 7: he can use that play action, he can use some
Speaker 7: type of ground game to help this offense be productive.
Speaker 7: So to me, like I just said, if you had
Speaker 7: that guy in the back there, you know, throwing the
Speaker 7: football around, Okay, yeah, do that, but right now we
Speaker 7: do we do.
Speaker 2: We don't have that.
Speaker 5: You know, we don't have that souter point that now Well,
Speaker 5: the thing is is that Jalen Hurts has given me
Speaker 5: the he's given and I'm basing this off of the
Speaker 5: talent around him. He's given me hope that Dak could
Speaker 5: get it done because of what's around him.
Speaker 2: You need talent, you do. You need talent, and.
Speaker 5: You if I can get a guy that can back
Speaker 5: that safety off of CD, if I can get a
Speaker 5: guy that can make that nickel corner not double t
Speaker 5: if I can get a guy that changes the dynamic
Speaker 5: of what defenses are doing to us, then I think
Speaker 5: that pick is worth it.
Speaker 2: But you got to be one of those generational.
Speaker 5: Kind of talents that come in and you can have
Speaker 5: an instant impact in the NFL.
Speaker 2: I'm not opposed to it.
Speaker 5: I'm telling you based off of what I see Philly
Speaker 5: doing and the Commander's doing. We need offensive line, we
Speaker 5: need defensive line. You got to all right, I'm and
Speaker 5: I'm with you, but I'm saying a guy that makes
Speaker 5: defenses back off. Ashton Genty Again, we don't know what
Speaker 5: it would be at this level for him. Obviously outstanding
Speaker 5: college career, but you have to have guys. You have
Speaker 5: to put talent around Dak Prescott. He doesn't have a
Speaker 5: whole ton of talent around him right now.
Speaker 4: Let me take both of what you guys have said
Speaker 4: and kind of molded into this. If you used your
Speaker 4: twelfth pick on Tech McMillan, this is a draft full
Speaker 4: of running backs.
Speaker 2: He's a very good running back draft.
Speaker 4: So if you took a Tech McMillan, you put him
Speaker 4: and CD Lamb out there, you go get yourself another
Speaker 4: running back.
Speaker 2: We talked before in the last segment about the three men.
Speaker 4: Your Schottenheimer, Clayton Adams, and then the old d Old
Speaker 4: line coach at k State. Trying to figure out how
Speaker 4: you make this group that you have already here of
Speaker 4: offensive line, how do you make it better?
Speaker 2: You need talent, I.
Speaker 4: Mean just okay, they figure out how to make the
Speaker 4: offensive line work with what they've got, maybe ad a
Speaker 4: little bit more, but try to figure out what you got,
Speaker 4: Ceedee Lamb, Ted McMillan. Let's say you take the kid
Speaker 4: from Arizona State, or you take the kids, you take
Speaker 4: the kid of Caroline. I mean, there's there's a bunch
Speaker 4: of running backs on you and and maybe you give
Speaker 4: Rico o'dalald or, you know, a little contract here. This
Speaker 4: does what Heckma talked about. Give him some help. Jared
Speaker 4: Golf for two years has looked good because they have.
Speaker 2: Given him help along that offensive line, on.
Speaker 4: The offensive line, at the running back position, at the
Speaker 4: wide receiver, at the You got a great offensive line,
Speaker 4: you got good running You've used first round pick on
Speaker 4: running back, first round pick on tight end, your second
Speaker 4: round pick was used on a wide receiver. Then then
Speaker 4: they to the other cat was good from Alabama. I
Speaker 4: mean They've put talent all around it. Jalen Hurts and
Speaker 4: what you're talking they've put talent all around it is
Speaker 4: a he Iphy ward winning smith. Here's aj Brown, Dallas
Speaker 4: Goddard is a good time. I saw him the place
Speaker 4: San Diego State when he came to put hoarse play Tacu.
Speaker 4: I mean they've put talent right, and then you put Barkley.
Speaker 4: Everybody's doing that. Everyone doing not everybody.
Speaker 2: So that's winning. We need everybody.
Speaker 5: I love how you looked at me what I was
Speaker 5: talking about, Jaylor Hurson and like where you going with this?
Speaker 2: Doctor?
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, that's what I'm talking about. When it
Speaker 5: comes down to those teams are to getting to the
Speaker 5: next level. Look at the rams and what they're doing.
Speaker 5: They're able to let go of guys or facilitate trades
Speaker 5: for other guys because they know the guys that they've drafted.
Speaker 5: They still have plenty of talent they you know, on
Speaker 5: defense and on offense with pooking the cool and they're
Speaker 5: running back as well. I mean, so teams are able
Speaker 5: to bring in quarterbacks or or have a quarterback with
Speaker 5: maybe B level arm but man if I can get
Speaker 5: guys around you where you just can't message up.
Speaker 2: We can run the ball. We got an offensive line
Speaker 2: that can mow you down. You know.
Speaker 5: Look, that's time of possession. Our defense get out of
Speaker 5: here and they hunt and they could cover up all
Speaker 5: the awards.
Speaker 2: Come on, give me that. You gotta have those special pieces.
Speaker 2: You look at Washington, those special pieces. They got a
Speaker 2: special guy at the quarterback. You got scary tear.
Speaker 4: But if you don't have a quote unquote special guy,
Speaker 4: your job is to go put the pieces around the player,
Speaker 4: and you give the player enough, then you rise the boat.
Speaker 4: In the case of Jalen Hurts, they put enough around
Speaker 4: it and when called to make the plays. The guy
Speaker 4: in two Super Bowls has out played Patrick Mahomes and
Speaker 4: so give him enough talent.
Speaker 2: And that's that's your thing. If I if I do this,
Speaker 2: do that. Don't ask dak to go be Mahomes and
Speaker 2: go make guys. Don't ask him to do that.
Speaker 5: And Jalen Hurst showed you that on third down when
Speaker 5: everything broke down and he could have made to throw,
Speaker 5: what did he do.
Speaker 2: He tucked that sandwich and went ran with it.
Speaker 5: He's stuck with what he does best, and those are
Speaker 5: the thing is that just kept pushing Philadelphia forward in
Speaker 5: the Super Bowl. He's pushed them forward through the NFC Championship,
Speaker 5: through the playoffs. I mean that talent around them, around
Speaker 5: Jalen Hurts is the reason why he was the MVP
Speaker 5: of the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: Next time when we meet, we'll have to dive more
Speaker 4: into the defense and how you help Matt Eberflus And
Speaker 4: clearly he needs a three technique, he needs he needs horse.
Speaker 2: To second level. There's there's a lot and that's that's
Speaker 2: the thing about this football team.
Speaker 4: Despite Dak Prescott saying this week with Troy Man the
Speaker 4: Children's gala that you know they're not that far away
Speaker 4: and they beating these two.
Speaker 2: Yeah close, it's that new hope that.
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