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Speaker 2: Ma Harrison, Barry Church, former Dallas Cowboys safety.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, as we dive into for a lot of topics, Sadri. Yes,

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Speaker 4: the Eagles are Super Bowl champions as heck prediction as

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Speaker 4: Barry Church, you predicted that they would be Super Bowl champions.

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Speaker 4: Heckmany you had Philadelphia winning. Yeah that was big man.

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Speaker 4: Uh Church, I don't know where you were, but you did.

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Speaker 4: I did pick phil pick Philly to win. So there

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Speaker 4: you go, so so good on you. Good on, Yes, sir, Yes,

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Speaker 4: I picked Cansas City and.

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Speaker 5: Which was confusing, which was I'm gonna go back to

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna go back to it because you rode so hard,

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Speaker 5: not just with Jalen Hurst but just with what Howie

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Speaker 5: Roseman and the Eagles were doing from the beginning beginning

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Speaker 5: of season.

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Speaker 2: You rolled with them.

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Speaker 5: And when it got down to the end, you you

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Speaker 5: you something happened.

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Speaker 2: I'll redo it again. You got some information.

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Speaker 4: And I said, you know the Eagles with their defense,

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Speaker 4: you know, I love the defense, and but I didn't

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Speaker 4: trust the coaching taking Andy Reid over Nick Sirianni and

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Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes being Patrick Mahomes. When is Mahomes lost these

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Speaker 4: these types of games. It was when todm brady be

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Speaker 4: it when he was in New England and when he

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Speaker 4: was in Tampa.

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Speaker 2: That's when he's said, until I see.

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Speaker 4: It happened, I gotta keep rolling with it despite knowing

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Speaker 4: that you know, usually number one defense Barkley, that usually

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Speaker 4: gets you done. But and I was wrong. And you

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Speaker 4: know what, there's two things that happened out of this.

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Speaker 4: One happy for Jalen Hurts. All the negative stuff that

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Speaker 4: it was, you know, pretty fun when you go on

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Speaker 4: social media and all the people who were.

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Speaker 2: Killing this key, killing killing this kid man.

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Speaker 5: I mean looking at me like that, what did you

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Speaker 5: you know?

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Speaker 2: You know you were you were, you were in the mall.

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Speaker 2: It was right like January sixth, that you're not gonna

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Speaker 2: do it? Back up? Back up? Hello, holdo, hold up,

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Speaker 2: hold up. I was I was all up, all up

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Speaker 2: you see killing that black quarterback.

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Speaker 4: So so it's definitely happy for the kid, yes, may

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Speaker 4: sci fi man proud, but also just for the fact

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Speaker 4: that you just when the first.

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Speaker 2: Time in the Eagles played the Pagers, I picked them

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Speaker 2: to win.

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Speaker 4: Okay, maybe if this happens, the man upstairs who owns and.

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Speaker 2: The generalman, maybe thattle just kind of hey, man, we

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Speaker 2: need spend money. Spend the money. Got him because Eagles

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Speaker 2: spend his money. Spend the money, spend some money. So

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Speaker 2: what did the Eagle when you saw them win? Are

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Speaker 2: you okay?

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Speaker 5: I'm good, I'm okay now, thank you, thank you for

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Speaker 5: the been to the Super Bowl now past couple of

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Speaker 5: years three times.

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Speaker 4: Two, one, two, and three with two different coaches different,

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Speaker 4: two different quarterbacks, two differents running backs, basically different different

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Speaker 4: defensive mind yeah, two different teams kind of you know

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Speaker 4: you think about it, that's wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's I guess what's happened when he spent a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So they hired Dug Peterson and Nick Sirianni

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Speaker 4: and look what it got on man. During that time,

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Speaker 4: you had, you know, Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy, But you

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Speaker 2: Here, Yeah, you had you fight you here, you just

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Speaker 2: had him here.

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Speaker 5: He told to get out the middle, get out here,

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Speaker 5: at the next job he went to.

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Speaker 2: He did do that. Then he went to Philadelphia and

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Speaker 2: ends up. I got come on, we got come on now,

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Speaker 2: come on. But now while guys y'all gonna start off like, whoa,

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Speaker 2: what's so on? What can I that? I can't see

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Speaker 2: that now, man, I can't say that now, what's wrong?

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Speaker 2: What's the issue? Listen?

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Speaker 5: Okay, you were about to ask a question, you get

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Speaker 5: you got side tracked. Yes, you were asking I forgot

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Speaker 5: to let him get his flo got know what happened?

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Speaker 5: Can we talk about what happened?

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Speaker 6: Like?

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Speaker 5: Look, you know, I will say this. It's hard to

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Speaker 5: mess up something. It's hard to make it. Go ahead,

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Speaker 5: go ahead, go ahead. When you have a running game

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Speaker 5: that allows you to be balanced, allows you come on,

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Speaker 5: you a defensive guy. So you absolutely saw what play

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Speaker 5: Action was doing in Kansas City?

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Speaker 2: Are keeping up? Look, I'll tell you what this is.

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Speaker 2: What he did.

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Speaker 5: He did not get fancy. He stayed within himself. He played,

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Speaker 5: he stayed true to the scheme, and he didn't double, reverse, flee,

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Speaker 5: flicker anything crazy. And I give Kellen credit for that.

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Speaker 5: He did not go away from it. He had he

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Speaker 5: carved him up. He exposed a lot of what Kansas

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Speaker 5: City's defense had been doing all season. Okay, but he

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Speaker 5: didn't get fancy. And what have we seen Kellen do

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Speaker 5: over the years get to fancy band in the run?

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Speaker 5: He stuck to Even with thirty yards in the first half,

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Speaker 5: he still stuck to the run. And he's still allowed

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Speaker 5: for Jalen Hurts to do exactly what was in his

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Speaker 5: wheelhouse and make the throws, not crazy throws, but exploit

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Speaker 5: the one on ones.

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Speaker 2: He did that the entire game. That's so, That's soll Kellen.

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Speaker 2: No this one said.

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Speaker 5: I'm saying that Kellen through the playoffs, they they went

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Speaker 5: through a gauntlet also, and so through the playoffs, man,

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Speaker 5: he played it.

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Speaker 2: Straight to his vest. He didn't do anything tricky.

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Speaker 5: And I think that having Saquon Barkley as a running

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Speaker 4: I mean, we got we gotta we can't ignore that.

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Speaker 4: Do you look at the number rushing yards. I can't

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Speaker 4: remember what it was during the game, but it was

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Speaker 4: like the most we'd ever seen in a in a

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Speaker 4: season when you added all of the games twenty five

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Speaker 4: hundred yards. Yes, they played, they played one more regular

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Speaker 4: season game. But just from the standpoint of what he did,

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Speaker 4: Kellen Moore did a good job in making sure where

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Speaker 4: they stayed with this is what we do.

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Speaker 2: We run the ball.

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Speaker 4: This was something that had been used against him that

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Speaker 4: he flipped the script. And he's now the head coach for.

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Speaker 2: The New Orleans Saints.

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Speaker 4: So what he was told he wasn't and could not

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Speaker 4: do almost fit along there with Jalen Hurts. Hey, they

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Speaker 4: say we're this. We've just showed you where that and

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Speaker 4: for the rest of their lives, nobody can say Jalen

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Speaker 4: Hurts and Kellen Moore can't do it.

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Speaker 2: So you hit your fly. I just wanted y'all to say,

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Speaker 2: the man did a good They hit your fly. He

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Speaker 2: did agree good job.

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Speaker 7: He did a wonderful job not messing it up as

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Speaker 7: an offensive coordinator. He did exactly what a great offensive

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Speaker 4: I give him credit for that because so many times

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Speaker 4: we've seen people who have done that very thing and

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Speaker 7: Oh, we can go to the Guntlet look at the

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Speaker 7: Baltimore Ravens and we're going they get to the playoffs,

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Speaker 7: they think this corference, the cordator thinks he's too good for.

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Speaker 2: This, that and the third. We're gonna switch everything up.

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Speaker 2: You look at the Kansas City Chiefs. Even with Andy Reid,

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Speaker 2: you run the ball for three times?

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Speaker 5: He was were he hell HeLa, hold he holloway wait

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Speaker 5: wait wait wait wait wait hey, hey, hold on hello.

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Speaker 2: Andy knew from the first quarter he couldn't run the

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Speaker 2: ball to Philly. Yeah, twenty five rushes for fifty seven.

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Speaker 2: You can't run the ball.

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Speaker 5: And if you try to run the ball, look what happened,

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Speaker 5: You got forty burged on you, multiple interceptions.

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Speaker 2: We like, you gotta have some type of balance. If

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Speaker 2: they would have tried to run the ball, they got

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Speaker 2: to be sixty to twitter.

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Speaker 4: Do you know what I'll just say, if they tried

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Speaker 4: to run the ball, it would not have been as

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Speaker 4: bad because they'd have used more than clock. Okay, but

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Speaker 4: you were still leading that game because they had that

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Speaker 4: number one defense on all three levels. Just came vic

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Speaker 4: vic Fangio. Had he had he had he had the

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Speaker 4: answer to the test.

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Speaker 5: Listen, listen, I ain't not the same hold on but

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Speaker 5: Vic Dangil had Bluebrint the blueprint.

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Speaker 2: Hey, but oh it's the Cowboy looked up. But how

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Speaker 2: hard is it?

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Speaker 5: How hard is it when you have Jalen Carter in

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Speaker 5: the middle of your of your defense being triple team

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Speaker 5: sweat is eating guys on the outside of me? Come on,

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Speaker 5: when you got a guy that's a space eater like that,

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Speaker 5: that's what you need. That's the when we say our

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Speaker 5: one technique, our three technique, look at look no.

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Speaker 2: Further than what they're doing in Philly in the middle

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Speaker 4: Which leads me back to what I was gonna ask.

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Speaker 4: When you watch this game, what did you see from

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Speaker 4: their football team that won a world championship that you say, Okay,

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Speaker 4: this is where the Cowboys need to look at because

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Speaker 4: the first thing you have to do is try to win.

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Speaker 2: Your division absolutely right away. You got to do that.

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Speaker 2: Philadelphia is the standard.

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Speaker 4: Washington is coming up right behind Philadelphia, and to me,

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Speaker 4: it's the D line. I have harped on this since

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Speaker 4: last year doing this show. You you brought in Mike Zimmer,

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Speaker 4: you didn't have what Mike Zimmer needed upfront at all.

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Speaker 2: He liked big people. You didn't have big people.

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Speaker 4: Then when the people they brought in, these dudes off

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Speaker 4: couches couldn't really give you much, they gave you what

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Speaker 4: they could. I'm not gonna get mad at them. They'll

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Speaker 4: be mad at They'll be mad at folks that hire them.

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Speaker 4: Philadelphia's front four was able to get after Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 4: and allow Zach Bahn.

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Speaker 2: And Cooper Dejean to do what they did.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, the Cowboys still have an issue, in my opinion,

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Speaker 4: on the defensive line, where we're talking about these tackles

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Speaker 4: and the ability to stop, to run and create pressure.

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Speaker 5: In the same vein that you're talking about your draft

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Speaker 5: to beat your division. I'm looking at that game and

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Speaker 5: I'm saying to any draft expert for the Dallas Cowboys,

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Speaker 5: it's talking about Ashon gent or any wide receiver and

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Speaker 5: their first two picks first three, I'm like, you're delusional.

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Speaker 5: You're not watching what's happening in the NFC East right now.

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Speaker 5: If you're not talking offensive or defensive line with those

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Speaker 5: first two picks, then you're missing the boat. Because what's

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Speaker 5: gonna happen next year That young defensive line that is

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Speaker 5: already a Super Bowl champion. They're doing nothing but gaining

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Speaker 5: more confidence. They're gonna come to the table now. Howie

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Speaker 5: Roseman doesn't have anything to do but add the more

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Speaker 5: pieces to what he already has. And we are compromised.

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Speaker 5: Off You look at where we are, Zach Martin talking

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Speaker 5: about you know he will come back, or he's thinking

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Speaker 5: about what, you know, whatever it is. Where you are

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Speaker 4: All right, we're talking about the offensive line and talking

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Speaker 5: And so God you have Let's find out what this

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Speaker 2: Okay. And we talked before Ashton Genty, who heck mccovered.

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Speaker 4: In high school for Skoll lone star out of Boise State,

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Speaker 4: your Dope Walk Reward winner.

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Speaker 2: He could potentially be there at twelve.

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Speaker 4: Most people who do this draft ranking thing think Ashton

444
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Speaker 4: Genty is the best running back in the draft.

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Speaker 2: You get a running back of of good talent.

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Speaker 4: You see what Sakwon Barkley did in Philly where he

447
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Speaker 4: they went Super Bowl to the Giants, where he helped

448
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Speaker 4: this sorry team at least just live and.

449
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Speaker 2: When he left he saw it right, fell out of it.

450
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Speaker 4: So a good running back can help your offense, can

451
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Speaker 4: help your quarterback, can help your defense because you can

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Speaker 4: run the ball and take time off the clock.

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Speaker 2: I do think they got to get better on the

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Speaker 2: defensive line.

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Speaker 4: But if you tell me they went running back, I

456
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Speaker 4: would not HECKMA say oh no, because in some ways,

457
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Speaker 4: if you do that part right, you can help your

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Speaker 4: defensive line.

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Speaker 2: I still think the defensive line is booty.

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Speaker 6: This is not.

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Speaker 2: This ain't gonna win.

462
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Speaker 4: But if could you sell me this and me say, okay,

463
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Speaker 4: I mean Nate Newton, the great Nate Newton we all love,

464
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Speaker 4: won three Super Bowl He's like man Emmet got here

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Speaker 4: all of a sudden, I was pro. I was the

466
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Speaker 4: Pro Bowl lineman before that. You know, when they was

467
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Speaker 4: running out Paula, you're too young, Paul Palmer, he was

468
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Speaker 4: just the guy.

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Speaker 2: He comes in it. Nate hal So So so it's

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Speaker 2: not it's not that crazy. We saw it with Ezekiel Elliott.

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Speaker 4: Ezekiel Elliott made a difference, and to the credit of

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Speaker 4: the organization, they decided to run the ball. They're going

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Speaker 4: back to that. They're saying, Okay, we're gonna make it

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Speaker 4: a premium. We're gonna figure this out. Awesome Richards, who

475
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Speaker 4: we didn't talk about as an offensive lineman. Hacken, there's

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Speaker 4: another young man to consider that you put in this thing.

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Speaker 4: So that's why I'm sitting to myself in maybe offensive

478
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Speaker 4: line the first shoe resist is something you need to do.

479
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Speaker 4: Maybe you look at what we have like a chef,

480
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Speaker 4: what are the ingredients that I got right here? How

481
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Speaker 4: got I put the most seasoning here? Or I put this,

482
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Speaker 4: How do I help put these guys in better position?

483
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Speaker 4: Because right out of the gate, they're going to go

484
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Speaker 4: from pass mode to run mode.

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Speaker 2: You gotta have more season in that back for sure.

486
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Speaker 2: Lowry just put the whole old Bay in.

487
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Speaker 4: Like p that holy voodoo to meet chr You got

488
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Speaker 4: Uncle White Blanco, whatever you do.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you gotta have season in there.

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Speaker 7: Because when you look at when the Cowboys had their

491
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Speaker 7: best years when I was here in fourteen, we had

492
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Speaker 7: DeMarco Murray, Sure we went sixteen, Ezekiel Elliott showed up,

493
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Speaker 7: you know, eighteen they had you know, Zeke near balling

494
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Speaker 7: as well. And you look on the defensive side of

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Speaker 7: the ball in fourteen, you know, we was led by

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Speaker 7: George menci In, George Selvey, you know, but we had

497
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Speaker 7: that on the offensive side of the football where they

498
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Speaker 7: can take the time they needed, they can own time

499
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Speaker 7: of possession, and they rested that defense.

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Speaker 2: So we had to come out there. We was fresh,

501
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Speaker 2: We was ready to roll.

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Speaker 7: So that's why when you when you look in the backfield,

503
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Speaker 7: you gotta have somebody that's a little bit dynamic. Nothing

504
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Speaker 7: against ric O'Donnell, but he was a you know, straight line.

505
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Speaker 7: My holes here, I gotta go hit this hole. Sometimes

506
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Speaker 7: you need guys that are they're not gonna follow the

507
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Speaker 7: coaching exactly right. They're gonna look at it, They're go

508
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Speaker 7: and use their vision, and they're gonna make something out

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Speaker 7: of nothing. And that's what I think we were kind

510
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Speaker 7: of lacking last year in the run game, where later

511
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Speaker 7: on in the season, yeah it picked up rical you know,

512
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Speaker 7: got over a thousand yards, But when you look at it,

513
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Speaker 7: we gotta have that guy to make something out of

514
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Speaker 7: nothing that'll make guys mistackles in the backfield. And that's

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Speaker 7: what Demo and Zeke those are great running backs. Don't

516
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Speaker 7: get you a great runningacks, but those were those type

517
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Speaker 7: of guys can do to an organization and to an offense.

518
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Speaker 7: So to me, you gotta have a little bit more

519
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Speaker 7: seasoning back there. So I don't know which way you

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Speaker 7: you you dice it first. Do you look at the

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Speaker 7: officer line, because granted, you know, and and when we

522
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Speaker 7: had Demo and Zeke, you had Frederick Zach Martin, the

523
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Speaker 7: young Tyron Smith, so.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they had a lot to do with it. But

525
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Speaker 2: to me, I don't know which way you attack it first.

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Speaker 2: Didn't have a bunch of spares. You had a bunch

527
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Speaker 2: of guys.

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Speaker 5: That offensive line was what it was, Ezekiel Elliott, he

529
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Speaker 5: walked into a great situation with an offensive line that

530
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Speaker 5: was pushing guys to the gatorade buckets. I'm just saying,

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Speaker 5: for a guy like Ashton Genty, what you're talking about

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Speaker 5: as far as that vision and ability to break off

533
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Speaker 5: runs he has that You've seen it at a level

534
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Speaker 5: at Boise State, and I think you're almost tempted to

535
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Speaker 5: make that pick at twelve, but you need so many

536
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Speaker 5: other things. So if you bring in an Ashton Genty,

537
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Speaker 5: how effective can he be behind an offensive line that

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Speaker 5: wasn't allowing for even a D level running back to flourish.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to make an excuse. I just want

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Speaker 4: us to kind of remember what we saw and what

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Speaker 4: could be.

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Speaker 6: This year.

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Speaker 2: You saw a Zach Martin deteriorate.

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Speaker 4: Okay, absolutely, you were expecting another all Pro performance right guard.

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Speaker 2: You did not get it. He was hurt. He's even

546
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Speaker 2: talking about not coming back. So that was one spot.

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Speaker 4: Next to Zach is a center who's never played it before,

548
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Speaker 4: who play guard, who played guard, was All American guard

549
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Speaker 4: at Kansas State. So you put him at center, so

550
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Speaker 4: he had an adjustment and there are times when teams

551
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Speaker 4: were able to take advantage of that. Then you go

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Speaker 4: over to your left tackle. You put a right tackle

553
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Speaker 4: in college and a left tackle and he struggled. So

554
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Speaker 4: you had three spots that had warts. BB got better

555
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Speaker 4: during the year. Obviously we saw with Geyton there are

556
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Speaker 4: times they put Austin Richards there. So that's happened last year.

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Speaker 4: That's why I talk about these three men here. You're

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Speaker 4: offensive coach, office coordinator, you're head coach who want.

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Speaker 2: To run the football.

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Speaker 4: That's their job right now to get in this offseason

561
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Speaker 4: and say, hey, what is it that we think we

562
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Speaker 4: can do, what we think we can improve and how

563
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Speaker 4: can we get these two younger guys better? And oh,

564
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Speaker 4: by the way, at Austin Richards into this mix. So

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Speaker 4: maybe it's between Richards and Geiton of what they try

566
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Speaker 4: to figure out at this left tackle spot and then

567
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Speaker 4: the center spot. And this would be a great conversation

568
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Speaker 4: to have. Do you leave BB there or do you

569
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Speaker 4: put BB it right guard? Or do you decide to

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Speaker 4: at some point in time to address right guard, do

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Speaker 4: you go in for it?

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Speaker 2: What do you do you have?

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Speaker 4: These these are things you've got to try to fix.

574
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Speaker 4: But that's the job here, especially as you want to

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Speaker 4: run the ball.

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Speaker 5: And I think to me and Louie, I think from

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Speaker 5: just my experience, man, I think that run blocking is

578
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Speaker 5: easier for offensive linemen. This is something that they love

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Speaker 5: to do, running downhill on guys. And when you're when

580
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Speaker 5: you're a team that doesn't run, you have guys that

581
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Speaker 5: don't run block, well, it really isn't.

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Speaker 2: A lot of space to go any anywhere else.

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Speaker 5: And so, like I said, the execution for me is

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Speaker 5: give me my five best offensive linemen that love to

585
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Speaker 5: get dirty on Sunday, that love to mow guys down.

586
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Speaker 5: Because that's what I that's what I saw last Sunday

587
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Speaker 5: from Philadelphia. They got to the point, even with Jones

588
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 5: over there, mowing these guys down all the way to

589
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Speaker 5: the second level. You know, we didn't get that type

590
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Speaker 5: of aggression offensive whether it was we were playing with

591
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Speaker 5: a fifth round guy, none of those. When I think

592
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Speaker 5: of offensive line, I'm just saying to myself, at the

593
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Speaker 5: least you ought to be able to just go straight

594
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Speaker 5: and put your hands on this guy and open up

595
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Speaker 5: a hole, or at least give this guy sliver of room.

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Speaker 2: We didn't have that.

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Speaker 5: And so when I we could go through those awesome Richers,

598
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Speaker 5: we could go through all of those different names. But

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Speaker 5: if we're not putting the five best guys out there

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Speaker 5: to give us an opportunity to win, and I know

601
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Speaker 5: this is just no brainer here, we're fooling ourselves. Man,

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Speaker 5: We're going back to the same thing. We're gonna have

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Speaker 5: the same result next year that we had this year.

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Speaker 2: Y'all. I think some of that was forced.

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Speaker 7: Like when you look at just Chris the highest draft

606
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Speaker 7: picking there, because when you had a guy in Hoffman.

607
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Speaker 7: Now I'm not saying he's the greatest center of all time,

608
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Speaker 7: but that was a guy that was nasty, rogue runner

609
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Speaker 7: greater and you just just see when he was on

610
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Speaker 7: that offsive line when Connor BB Cooper b Cooper Cooper

611
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Speaker 7: BB went down whatever.

612
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Speaker 2: That guy had some nasty to him.

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Speaker 5: He stepped into the will Awesome Richards played with Camp

614
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Speaker 5: like it's just like all camp. And I heard you

615
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Speaker 5: talk about Austin Richards during camp, you and Nate talking

616
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Speaker 5: about Austin Richards during camp, and then when the season starts,

617
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Speaker 5: they put Guidon back in there, and it's like and yeah,

618
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Speaker 5: and you, being a former NFL player, you know.

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Speaker 2: Where guy stock is.

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Speaker 5: When he's taken as a first round pick, you're gonna

621
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Speaker 5: have more more rope to fail than another guy would.

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Speaker 2: And they just didn't give Austin Richards a shot. And

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Speaker 2: it's a new day.

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Speaker 4: It's a new day talking about the Cowboys offensive line

625
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Speaker 4: and a commitment to the run game. And I think

626
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Speaker 4: we have to start to talk about that when you

627
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Speaker 4: start to look at Hope and say, Okay, what happened

628
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Speaker 4: under the past under Mike McCarthy's that's the past because

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Speaker 4: Mike was a passing guy. Now you're gonna bringing Brian

630
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Speaker 4: shott Hiber who is committed to the run and the

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Speaker 4: highers they've made so far. Tell tell Cowboy fans look

632
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Speaker 4: for the run. I do think the first thing you've

633
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Speaker 4: got to do is look and say, what is in

634
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Speaker 4: the toolbox that we have of offensive alignment.

635
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Speaker 2: Let's look in here. How do you make some of

636
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Speaker 2: these guys better?

637
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Speaker 4: How do you put some of these guys in a

638
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Speaker 4: differ position way that look at that, then decide to

639
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 4: make whatever editions you want to. Maybe it's just a

640
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 4: simple as signing. Maybe there's a couple of offensive linemen

641
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Speaker 4: that our veterans think about, like a guy like brock Hoffman.

642
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 4: I could easily see brock Hoffman leaving and somebody else saying, hey,

643
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Speaker 4: look look at the little bit of nasty and we

644
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 4: want to get asked something.

645
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Speaker 2: We want that.

646
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Speaker 4: So the fact that you're at least saying we want

647
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 4: to run the ball changes the mentality from what you

648
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 4: had before, and you may value some things differently of

649
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 4: what you talked about. Heck, hey man, this dude wanted

650
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 4: to go into he wanted to get getting a dog on.

651
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Speaker 2: Phone booth, a fight.

652
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but if you if you don't want to fight

653
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Speaker 4: because you want to pass like, it's a different kind

654
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Speaker 4: of guy. So that's why I'm very eager to see

655
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Speaker 4: what it is they do and what the mentality they have.

656
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Speaker 4: And then with a guy like Guidon, what can he

657
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Speaker 4: do to get better? Tear Steel was had a rough

658
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Speaker 4: rookie and then he approved in her too. That's what

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Speaker 5: And go back to Philadelphia people that hadn't even talked

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Speaker 4: Hall of Fame center, yes gone, and Kellen Moore and

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Now with Kelsey there, maybe he does break Eric Dickinson's record,

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Speaker 2: The name Teed McMillan from Arizona.

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Speaker 4: From Arizona, six foot five, twelve, he came to Fort

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Speaker 4: And then the conversation was hell, okay, heckman, this is

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Speaker 4: a good right you talked about.

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Speaker 2: Don't go for me. When you draft for need you

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Speaker 2: get into problem Tech McMillan.

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Speaker 4: If he's sitting here at twelve, a lot of people

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Speaker 4: think this is the best wide receiver in the draft.

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Speaker 2: You do, we do.

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Speaker 4: We talked about it with CD in the eighties last year.

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Speaker 4: If the best player on your board is Tech McMillan

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Speaker 4: and you're sitting here at twelve, what do you do?

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Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't do that.

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Speaker 7: If you had a Joe Burrow at the quarterback position,

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Speaker 7: who we've seen with no offensive line gets getting destroyed

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Speaker 7: but still able to put up crazy numbers and still

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Speaker 7: able to carry his team to the promised land. I

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Speaker 7: would say, okay, go what you need to make his

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Speaker 7: life easier. But you know, right now we don't. We

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Speaker 7: don't have Joe Brow at the quarterback position. And to me,

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Speaker 7: that means you got a solidifier guys in front. That way,

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Speaker 7: he can use that play action, he can use some

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Speaker 7: type of ground game to help this offense be productive.

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Speaker 7: So to me, like I just said, if you had

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Speaker 7: that guy in the back there, you know, throwing the

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Speaker 7: football around, Okay, yeah, do that, but right now we

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Speaker 7: do we do.

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Speaker 2: We don't have that.

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Speaker 5: You know, we don't have that souter point that now Well,

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Speaker 5: the thing is is that Jalen Hurts has given me

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Speaker 5: the he's given and I'm basing this off of the

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Speaker 5: talent around him. He's given me hope that Dak could

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Speaker 5: get it done because of what's around him.

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Speaker 2: You need talent, you do. You need talent, and.

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Speaker 5: You if I can get a guy that can back

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Speaker 5: that safety off of CD, if I can get a

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Speaker 5: guy that can make that nickel corner not double t

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Speaker 5: if I can get a guy that changes the dynamic

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Speaker 5: of what defenses are doing to us, then I think

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Speaker 5: that pick is worth it.

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Speaker 2: But you got to be one of those generational.

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Speaker 5: Kind of talents that come in and you can have

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Speaker 5: an instant impact in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: I'm not opposed to it.

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Speaker 5: I'm telling you based off of what I see Philly

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Speaker 5: doing and the Commander's doing. We need offensive line, we

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Speaker 5: need defensive line. You got to all right, I'm and

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Speaker 5: I'm with you, but I'm saying a guy that makes

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Speaker 5: defenses back off. Ashton Genty Again, we don't know what

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Speaker 5: it would be at this level for him. Obviously outstanding

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Speaker 5: college career, but you have to have guys. You have

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Speaker 5: to put talent around Dak Prescott. He doesn't have a

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Speaker 5: whole ton of talent around him right now.

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Speaker 4: Let me take both of what you guys have said

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Speaker 4: and kind of molded into this. If you used your

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Speaker 4: twelfth pick on Tech McMillan, this is a draft full

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Speaker 4: of running backs.

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Speaker 2: He's a very good running back draft.

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Speaker 4: So if you took a Tech McMillan, you put him

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Speaker 4: and CD Lamb out there, you go get yourself another

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Speaker 4: running back.

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Speaker 2: We talked before in the last segment about the three men.

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Speaker 4: Your Schottenheimer, Clayton Adams, and then the old d Old

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Speaker 4: line coach at k State. Trying to figure out how

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Speaker 4: you make this group that you have already here of

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Speaker 4: offensive line, how do you make it better?

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Speaker 2: You need talent, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean just okay, they figure out how to make the

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Speaker 4: offensive line work with what they've got, maybe ad a

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Speaker 4: little bit more, but try to figure out what you got,

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Speaker 4: Ceedee Lamb, Ted McMillan. Let's say you take the kid

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Speaker 4: from Arizona State, or you take the kids, you take

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Speaker 4: the kid of Caroline. I mean, there's there's a bunch

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Speaker 4: of running backs on you and and maybe you give

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Speaker 4: Rico o'dalald or, you know, a little contract here. This

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Speaker 4: does what Heckma talked about. Give him some help. Jared

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Speaker 4: Golf for two years has looked good because they have.

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Speaker 2: Given him help along that offensive line, on.

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Speaker 4: The offensive line, at the running back position, at the

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Speaker 4: wide receiver, at the You got a great offensive line,

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Speaker 4: you got good running You've used first round pick on

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Speaker 4: running back, first round pick on tight end, your second

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Speaker 4: round pick was used on a wide receiver. Then then

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Speaker 4: they to the other cat was good from Alabama. I

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Speaker 4: mean They've put talent all around it. Jalen Hurts and

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Speaker 4: what you're talking they've put talent all around it is

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Speaker 4: a he Iphy ward winning smith. Here's aj Brown, Dallas

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Speaker 4: Goddard is a good time. I saw him the place

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Speaker 4: San Diego State when he came to put hoarse play Tacu.

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Speaker 4: I mean they've put talent right, and then you put Barkley.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's doing that. Everyone doing not everybody.

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Speaker 2: So that's winning. We need everybody.

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Speaker 5: I love how you looked at me what I was

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Speaker 5: talking about, Jaylor Hurson and like where you going with this?

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Speaker 2: Doctor?

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying, that's what I'm talking about. When it

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Speaker 5: comes down to those teams are to getting to the

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Speaker 5: next level. Look at the rams and what they're doing.

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Speaker 5: They're able to let go of guys or facilitate trades

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Speaker 5: for other guys because they know the guys that they've drafted.

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Speaker 5: They still have plenty of talent they you know, on

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Speaker 5: defense and on offense with pooking the cool and they're

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Speaker 5: running back as well. I mean, so teams are able

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Speaker 5: to bring in quarterbacks or or have a quarterback with

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Speaker 5: maybe B level arm but man if I can get

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Speaker 5: guys around you where you just can't message up.

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Speaker 2: We can run the ball. We got an offensive line

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Speaker 2: that can mow you down. You know.

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Speaker 5: Look, that's time of possession. Our defense get out of

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Speaker 5: the awards.

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Speaker 2: Come on, give me that. You gotta have those special pieces.

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Speaker 2: You look at Washington, those special pieces. They got a

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Speaker 2: special guy at the quarterback. You got scary tear.

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Speaker 4: But if you don't have a quote unquote special guy,

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Speaker 4: your job is to go put the pieces around the player,

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Speaker 4: and you give the player enough, then you rise the boat.

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Speaker 4: In the case of Jalen Hurts, they put enough around

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Speaker 4: it and when called to make the plays. The guy

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Speaker 4: in two Super Bowls has out played Patrick Mahomes and

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Speaker 4: so give him enough talent.

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Speaker 2: And that's that's your thing. If I if I do this,

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Speaker 2: do that. Don't ask dak to go be Mahomes and

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Speaker 2: go make guys. Don't ask him to do that.

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Speaker 5: And Jalen Hurst showed you that on third down when

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Speaker 5: everything broke down and he could have made to throw,

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Speaker 5: what did he do.

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Speaker 2: He tucked that sandwich and went ran with it.

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Speaker 5: He's stuck with what he does best, and those are

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Speaker 5: the thing is that just kept pushing Philadelphia forward in

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Speaker 5: the Super Bowl. He's pushed them forward through the NFC Championship,

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Speaker 5: through the playoffs. I mean that talent around them, around

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Speaker 5: Jalen Hurts is the reason why he was the MVP

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Speaker 5: of the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: Next time when we meet, we'll have to dive more

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Speaker 4: into the defense and how you help Matt Eberflus And

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Speaker 4: clearly he needs a three technique, he needs he needs horse.

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Speaker 2: To second level. There's there's a lot and that's that's

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Speaker 2: the thing about this football team.

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Speaker 4: Despite Dak Prescott saying this week with Troy Man the

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Speaker 4: Children's gala that you know they're not that far away

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Speaker 4: and they beating these two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah close, it's that new hope that.

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Speaker 11: That was.

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Speaker 2: That was, But we get to that next that man

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Speaker 2: like oh Barry Liz ran Soundine on TV match trying

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Speaker 2: not to la. That's different onto the Mavericks.

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Speaker 4: Somebody I was telling themselves they close talk about the

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Speaker 4: Maverick talking about a pack.

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Speaker 2: We doing here a whole two weeks for meek Man,

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Speaker 2: Thank goodness, pictures and catches reported.

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Speaker 4: Talking about baby, Barry Church, Jazz, Chris Josh, everybody makes

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Speaker 4: things happen right here Dallas Cowboys dot com.

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