Speaker 1: The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys
Speaker 1: training live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the
Speaker 1: Star in Friscola. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. What's up? Welcome in to Talking Cowboys
Speaker 1: inside the SWBC Mortgage studio. Rob Phillips hosting for Bill
Speaker 1: Jones today, he's still in the Christmas spirit. Brian brought
Speaker 1: us across the table from me. Mickey Spagnola will be
Speaker 1: joining us momentarily. I think Kent Garrison producing next door.
Speaker 1: Working by yourself today? Am I pretty much? Wow? You
Speaker 1: don't sound good. I'm not good. I don't feel good.
Speaker 1: Did you have a merry Christmas? Oh it was way
Speaker 1: too merry? Am I talking too loud right now? Oh?
Speaker 1: It's good. I feel I feel, I feel okay. It's
Speaker 1: just don't ever go out with young people. That's all
Speaker 1: I'm going to say. You're you're a young guy. But
Speaker 1: I'm talking like like like twenties twenty year old kids.
Speaker 1: Don't go out with them anymore. Just a bad idea.
Speaker 1: It's not good. It's not good. I'm sorry. I sound
Speaker 1: like garbage today. It's my fault. You sound like you're
Speaker 1: working on the flu. I've got a little bit of
Speaker 1: everything going on right now. It's not good. Not good.
Speaker 1: You want to tell us what you did last night? Well,
Speaker 1: to celebrate Christmas, celebrate a tradition with my best friend
Speaker 1: and his family that we play this game like name
Speaker 1: that tune, you know with we pair up and everybody
Speaker 1: has their iPads or their phones, and you know, you play,
Speaker 1: and you partner up and you just play songs and
Speaker 1: you know. It's something we've done now for four years
Speaker 1: and and it involves celebration along with it, as you know,
Speaker 1: but you keep score. And so my godson Jack and
Speaker 1: I we uh won for the third straight year, and
Speaker 1: we celebrated our victory out with Jordan Speace brother and all.
Speaker 1: We went out and had a good old time. Steven Speeth,
Speaker 1: we had a great time last night. And you probably
Speaker 1: didn't pay for a single drink either, No I did.
Speaker 1: That's what. That's what having a decent job these bums.
Speaker 1: Steven's a professional basketball player kind of in between, and
Speaker 1: Jack's doing it working with with Darren Woodson and those
Speaker 1: guys him at Smith Company and all. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: these are young kids, and I made a mistake. I
Speaker 1: really didn't. I shouldn't have gone out with those guys.
Speaker 1: I should have done it. There's things in life you
Speaker 1: just shouldn't do. And I and I I crossed that
Speaker 1: line last night. I think you should have. And I'm
Speaker 1: I know you're struggling this hour, but I think it's
Speaker 1: our busiest days. It is. It's like, you shoot me
Speaker 1: a mailbag. I'm like, I'm laying it bead. I'm like, all,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I got the mailbag. I'm like, oh, Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory question, here we go. Okay, one eye open. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think Randy's got a future. Typing on my phone.
Speaker 1: I had no idea. Just pull back the curtain. I
Speaker 1: send Brian two mail back questions around seventh. We appreciate
Speaker 1: the mail back questions. We love. We love the mail
Speaker 1: back questions. We really do. That was a little early
Speaker 1: for you. No, it's just because I got in just
Speaker 1: a little bit before they arrived. Uh, that's okay. Nobody
Speaker 1: wants to hear that. Gotta got a game this week,
Speaker 1: don't we. Yes, we giants this week. We can talk
Speaker 1: giants today, we talk we can talk playoffs. What's beyond
Speaker 1: the giants? Because is something beyond the giants? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that by the way, I hope folks got to see
Speaker 1: our show last Friday. I thought you did a good
Speaker 1: job with some of those questions. If you, if you
Speaker 1: have a chance you hadn't seen it, go back and
Speaker 1: check that one out. It's Monday. It was on Monday.
Speaker 1: When I say Friday, I think today's Monday. That's probably why. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's okay, today's win because we have like a half off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: actually yeah, thanks coach. Appreciate coach. But yeah no, uh yeah,
Speaker 1: good questions though. And I always love the one about rest,
Speaker 1: rest and rust. I love that question, and I love
Speaker 1: the I love the okay, how do you play it?
Speaker 1: And how you know? In this coach, I think this
Speaker 1: coach has developed a pattern of that of he's developed
Speaker 1: a pattern of I don't care what you Brian brought
Speaker 1: us think I'm gonna I'm gonna play these guys. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna play him into the third quarter and I'm like,
Speaker 1: and every play I'm holding my breath. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: watching the game and I'm going okay, okay, Zach Martin, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just that's that's how it is, because
Speaker 1: he's got like duct tape on that spring at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm through this thing for a long time and I'm
Speaker 1: watching Ezeki Ellie just banging to people for four and
Speaker 1: five yards a shot, and every every tackle seems like
Speaker 1: it's a it's a car rack. You know, He's violently
Speaker 1: getting slung around, and I'm just I'm going, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: just give him a chance. But you know, hey, they
Speaker 1: brought up they brought up Jackson. We'll see, you know,
Speaker 1: they brought Rod Smith. I've said before, he was the
Speaker 1: giant killer last year. At this game. It's supposed to snow,
Speaker 1: by the way, Roberts, So when you do your pregame hit,
Speaker 1: make sure you have your overcoat and your stetson, felt
Speaker 1: hat on. It is it really, it's supposed to snow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying. Cold snow not the most
Speaker 1: ideal conditions when you're just trying to get out of there. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: especially get everybody in a big airplane there and then
Speaker 1: get everybody home after that. You know. That's yeah, boy,
Speaker 1: But I just like I said, I so do you buy?
Speaker 1: What do you buy when when Jason Garrett, yeah, buy,
Speaker 1: I buy what he's saying because he's saying like, oh no,
Speaker 1: if you're healthy, we're trying to go win a football game.
Speaker 1: That's that's his mentality, and you know, and and good
Speaker 1: for him to have that mentality. The scouts mentality is Okay,
Speaker 1: if you hurt these guys, now, I can't can't help you.
Speaker 1: I can't go down to you know, go get you
Speaker 1: another offensive tackle, or go get you another guard or
Speaker 1: you know. I can't do yes, yeah, I can't. I
Speaker 1: can't go down to home depot or you know, our
Speaker 1: lows or wherever and grab another guy. But I respect
Speaker 1: the coach for I respect the coach for wanting to
Speaker 1: play that way because, you know me, I'm the oh, hey,
Speaker 1: let's they're all must win. They're all must win. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're all must win until I know I've got things
Speaker 1: kind of wrapped up, and then I'm trying to I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get this thing into the more important thing,
Speaker 1: the more important area of this this season, the playoffs. Hello,
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola, playoffs. How are you guys? Whoa We're making it, Mickey,
Speaker 1: enjoy a day in the middle of the week that
Speaker 1: we normally don't get. I did good. Yeah, Brian came
Speaker 1: in for a little bit. I had to watch the Giants.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him since week two. I mean I
Speaker 1: had to watch him. But you made up for it later,
Speaker 1: I did. I just embarrass myself, Mickey, What do you do? Mickey?
Speaker 1: I didn't get into just a little bit ago like
Speaker 1: an all nighter basically, Mickey, Yeah, fans don't want to
Speaker 1: hear about but I just want to say this was
Speaker 1: alcohol involved, Mickey, and I want to ask the next question. Look,
Speaker 1: look I didn't I didn't. Yeah, I didn't. I made
Speaker 1: it home. That's a that's a positive. Safely safely, yes,
Speaker 1: make sure if you're can do both, make sure you
Speaker 1: get home safely. Just like my wedding, which is the
Speaker 1: only time I've really seen you. Just you know, it
Speaker 1: was close last night, Rob, Christmas night. What's open? I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what, Mickey, you would be surprised the establishments
Speaker 1: that are opening. Yes, now, not enough food stops are open.
Speaker 1: You know when you're going home. But I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think if I've ever liked done anything Christmas night other
Speaker 1: than really, I don't think. See that's my problem I'm
Speaker 1: like a one once or twice a year guy. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And that's only seen you a couple
Speaker 1: of times. Your wedding was incredible. Again here we are
Speaker 1: talking cowboys, but talking wedding. Yes, fine, but yeah the
Speaker 1: playoffs sewn up there in Yeah, but your wedding was
Speaker 1: I had that plate? Yeah, yeah, that it's called a charger,
Speaker 1: the round that you know, Mickey, the thing on the
Speaker 1: outside you put the you're China in the middle of it,
Speaker 1: that round. Yeah, yeah, it's called charger. Rob was impressed.
Speaker 1: I held it up like I won Wimbledon. I won Wimbledon,
Speaker 1: because that's if you're a tennis guy. Was that before
Speaker 1: I had How long have you been married? Now? Two
Speaker 1: and a half years. I don't know. I was thinking
Speaker 1: maybe that was before Uber, but yeah, no, hopefully Uber
Speaker 1: was working that. Yeah he did, he did. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: were things safe around. Yeah, we're safe team. So he's
Speaker 1: getting through it, he's fine, Mickey, Yes, rust or rest yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: can I get in between? I'm trying to find that path.
Speaker 1: I think I'm trying to farming ground in between between,
Speaker 1: kind of keeping the momentum going for a while. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then making sure that I don't incur any injury
Speaker 1: that's gonna keep me or really hurt me getting into
Speaker 1: the playoffs. But I think for the majority of it,
Speaker 1: I'm playing a quarter, I'm playing a half. And then
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, that's good. Uh, this was this We
Speaker 1: had a good week of practice. I think if if
Speaker 1: you say we're resting everybody, you're absolutely right about that,
Speaker 1: then you blow off three days of practice, it's a
Speaker 1: worthless week. So what do you do? Do you get
Speaker 1: right from the Seahawks right now? It's what you do? Well? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but do you approach this week of practice everybody's attention?
Speaker 1: You practice Wednesday, Thursday and then Friday. Do you tell guys? Oh?
Speaker 1: I tell him on Sunday, Come on Sunday. Yeah? How
Speaker 1: about how about beause I don't want the other guys
Speaker 1: to think, Okay, I'm chop meat. No, I'm not important.
Speaker 1: What a play? Let me ask you this, what if
Speaker 1: you did it like the night when you're at the
Speaker 1: hotel like sor or that. Okay, our inactives this week
Speaker 1: guys are gonna be Yeah, Arne Smith and Nat Prescott,
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott. And that's when I mean that's basically when
Speaker 1: they told h They told Cam Fleming that he was
Speaker 1: starting in the game, you know the game he had
Speaker 1: to you know. Tyrn Smith also, hey, you're you're playing
Speaker 1: this week? Walked into locker room and they told him.
Speaker 1: I think Mickey's onto something too, because you want those
Speaker 1: guys practicing hard like they're like the chance of them
Speaker 1: going to play. See. I don't worry so much about
Speaker 1: preparing for the Giants as I do preparing myself. Why
Speaker 1: do I have to do to get my team better?
Speaker 1: Not necessarily preparation for the Giants, but self evaluation and
Speaker 1: here's what we got to improve on, and you can
Speaker 1: do sort of like they would do during the bye week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like it's about you. Yeah, it's not about getting
Speaker 1: ready for an opponent. And I just think you have
Speaker 1: to keep their attention. You cannot allow them to blow
Speaker 1: off three days of practice. Yeah, excuse. Can I ask
Speaker 1: you a question? Though? Have they've been playing playoffs? I'm
Speaker 1: just thinking to this they play they've been playing playoff
Speaker 1: football for the last nine weeks. Yeah, I mean, are
Speaker 1: we Is it? I don't know, Mickey, I mean, is it?
Speaker 1: You want to stay on him? But do they need
Speaker 1: a break. Well, I think you can. I'm just asking
Speaker 1: that question because I don't have an answer. No, I
Speaker 1: think you can kind of practice hard, but maybe not
Speaker 1: as long. Yeah, just you gotta keep their attention. And
Speaker 1: I think you gotta keep because if I remember, right
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, they didn't know who was playing and
Speaker 1: who wasn't, and they ended up playing a quarter, right,
Speaker 1: Dak played a little bit. Zeke did not play that
Speaker 1: now and I'm okay. That was the game at Philadelphia, right, yes,
Speaker 1: and I remember, and then then they put Romo in
Speaker 1: for a series. They went down and scored Mark Sanchez
Speaker 1: out of the game, and then Sanchez took over. After that. Yeah, well, hey,
Speaker 1: think about that game, think about try not to think
Speaker 1: about last year, but the last the same thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Falls was so bad. We're sitting there going, well, they
Speaker 1: need to start. Oh no. The question, the question after
Speaker 1: that game was Falls is like, h coach shortly, maybe, oh,
Speaker 1: we've got to figure some things out. Well they did.
Speaker 1: I think I think Peter that was the game that
Speaker 1: kind of made them figure things out about Nick Foles.
Speaker 1: I think Peterson's sounds great. Oh, I love it. He
Speaker 1: said something like Sudfeld's got to get ready, just yeah,
Speaker 1: be ready, yeah, be ready. Yeah, we thought we left
Speaker 1: their going. Sudfelds should start nixt I. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I wrote that. I'm like the Eagles want to go
Speaker 1: far on the play a little, I know. So in
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, the Cowboys ripped off. How many in a row?
Speaker 1: They win thirteen games? Eleven? Right? Yeah, home field advantage,
Speaker 1: yeah right. Do you think the first half of the
Speaker 1: Packer game was a product of rust? I do? Now
Speaker 1: they had a week off in between. This is a
Speaker 1: little bit different. Yeah, but see you didn't you didn't
Speaker 1: you You kind of had that sixteenth game off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he didn't play the next week and then you had
Speaker 1: to go another played and they didn't get going, like
Speaker 1: you said, until the second half. Yeah, offensively, I don't know.
Speaker 1: They were they were way behind, weren't they. They they
Speaker 1: had Yeah, there were a couple of touchdowns, yeah, exactly, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was yeah, yeah, they the first two drives of
Speaker 1: the game imeared Green Bay down the field and yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you were in trouble a little bit there,
Speaker 1: and then everybody kind of woke up and they had
Speaker 1: that bad penalty, the penalty on Bryce Butler, too many
Speaker 1: men in the huddle, penalty all that. There's a bunch
Speaker 1: of crap, you know, one of those things. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean and the teams that you might be facing
Speaker 1: in a week and a half, Yeah, Seattle or Minnesota,
Speaker 1: they gotta play, right, I gotta play. They gotta play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they can't be rested in anybody because Philly's lurking. They're
Speaker 1: trying to Why do I think Philly's gonna get in
Speaker 1: this tournament? Because they're playing really well, I mean really
Speaker 1: well right now? Does anybody trust Minnesota right now? No, boy,
Speaker 1: They're got to be looking to themselves like Zim's thinking, well,
Speaker 1: Zim's like, oh wait, kind of just where we want
Speaker 1: when you're in I'm like, no, I wanted this thing
Speaker 1: wrapped up. A long st really is a good problem
Speaker 1: to have if you're the Cowboys, especially because we've talked
Speaker 1: about it. The stretch. They had three games in eleven days.
Speaker 1: Very fortunate. The division wasn't what it was, and you
Speaker 1: know where I misevaluated that the conference was the NFC South. Well,
Speaker 1: I was looking good for a while. I was. I
Speaker 1: misevaluated Carolina and I misevaluated Atlanta Tampa. I was at
Speaker 1: now New Orleans. Just New Orleans went nuts. But you
Speaker 1: beat the best team in the South, you know which
Speaker 1: is And think about what happened because twelve weeks ago
Speaker 1: or whatever, it was the NFC least, right, Wow, it's
Speaker 1: the worst division in football. Well maybe not. I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody wants to play Philadelphia got a chance to
Speaker 1: get two teams in, right, yeah, Philadelphia. That's that's what's
Speaker 1: great about this tournament is the fact that the fifth
Speaker 1: and six seeds can just you could go on the road.
Speaker 1: These teams nowaday, you go on the road and win games. Sure,
Speaker 1: you know it used to be like you got home
Speaker 1: field in the playoffs. You're lock. And I guess the
Speaker 1: numbers show that I think the Cowboys are the last
Speaker 1: team not to get to the Super Bowl? Is that right?
Speaker 1: With the number one? Look at that, right, Mickey, that
Speaker 1: that sounds good. I think Dallas was the last number
Speaker 1: one seed not to make it to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I'm sure Kent is feverishly, but you know, I've been
Speaker 1: on the keyboard right now looking at up. There have
Speaker 1: been years in the last ten years where wild card
Speaker 1: teams like we're talking about, Yeah, you gotta play you
Speaker 1: keep yeah, Giants Packers in twenty ten. That's absolutely Baltimore
Speaker 1: was a walk. Absolutely so parody. It's parody because the
Speaker 1: reason why it didn't happen before is the reason you
Speaker 1: had the first seed. The reason you had the second
Speaker 1: seed was because you were a good team. So you
Speaker 1: should win, right, because you're playing an inferior opponent. But
Speaker 1: I think as we've gone along over the last decade,
Speaker 1: things have kind of evened out quite a bit. So
Speaker 1: if you're the sixth seed, doesn't mean you're that much worst.
Speaker 1: No first seed, No, you have a chance. As we've
Speaker 1: seen here down the stretch with the top teams in
Speaker 1: the NFC. Well, I do know this though, if Philadelphia
Speaker 1: or Minnesota gets in, they've both played the Saints and
Speaker 1: both have lost. I mean the Philadelphia got that wasn't
Speaker 1: that bad stretch for Philadelphia. They got embarrassed. I mean
Speaker 1: I think it was right after the Cowboys had beat him,
Speaker 1: they went to New Orleans and then it was just
Speaker 1: it was a debacle down there. But you're you're right, Mickey,
Speaker 1: these teams, I think you just you play whoever you play,
Speaker 1: But I think you also have to be smart about
Speaker 1: what kind of condition your team is at this point
Speaker 1: in time. I think every the one thing I've learned
Speaker 1: about once your team gets into the playoffs, people start
Speaker 1: to become healthy, you know, the bumps and bruises and stuff.
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to be a part of playoff football. And
Speaker 1: Mickey's been pool reported the Super Bowl. He's seen it.
Speaker 1: He's probably filed an injury report with no injuries, no
Speaker 1: reported injuries, you know, I mean everybody, it's all everybody.
Speaker 1: It's when the playoffs did, It's like, okay, it's you know,
Speaker 1: all hands on deck, here we go. I got one
Speaker 1: more game to get Yeah, I've just got I've been
Speaker 1: dreaming about it my whole life. Yeah, exactly. You just
Speaker 1: don't know when you're gonna get back. And that's why
Speaker 1: that's why you'll see guys like it's very guys like
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin right now. He's anxious to get back out
Speaker 1: of the General manager said that this morning, you know,
Speaker 1: on his show, he said, Hey, I want to see
Speaker 1: you know, I'd like to see Tavon on a good
Speaker 1: film out there for people to see. On Tavon Austin,
Speaker 1: I'll give you the best example of that when the
Speaker 1: Cowboys went to the Super Bowl in ninety two and
Speaker 1: Bill Bates had torn as acl maybe four weeks ahead
Speaker 1: of that, five weeks ahead of that, they got to Pasadena,
Speaker 1: and he was trying to go out there and run
Speaker 1: and prove that he could play right and ended up
Speaker 1: basically probably crying silently to himself on the sideline that
Speaker 1: I have played ten years and I can't play in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Yeah. That's that's the gut punch right there.
Speaker 1: I mean, these guys, this is what they live for.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like the NBA, you know, Rob, you
Speaker 1: big NBA guy. They get down the playoffs that maybe
Speaker 1: he's like this regular season kind of and then they
Speaker 1: get in the playoffs, it's like, let's step it up
Speaker 1: here we go yep. So you know, and I think
Speaker 1: you can monitor guys snaps while they play. Like DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence doesn't need to go out there and play thirty
Speaker 1: plays in the first half if he has ten, just
Speaker 1: putting in maybe to pass rush, keep him involved. Get
Speaker 1: Armstrong out there playing a little bit more. Randy Gregory, Taco,
Speaker 1: let Tacco, Yeah, Tacco, play the whole him out there,
Speaker 1: because obviously Crawford's not playing. No, I can't imagine that,
Speaker 1: but I heard really good news him walking around the
Speaker 1: facility and stuff. It didn't run into him yesterday or anything,
Speaker 1: but I heard he was moving well. Jason Garrett told
Speaker 1: us Monday, functioning normally, walking around looked like he's okay.
Speaker 1: So that's great. And this is a guy you know,
Speaker 1: he doesn't need to play in this No, I don't
Speaker 1: know if he physically would be able to yet, like
Speaker 1: you said, it's a pretty big boy stinger is what
Speaker 1: big boy? Yeah? So yeah, yeah, And Jason Garrett's right now.
Speaker 1: His line is we're gonna play this game. But that
Speaker 1: he hasn't changed. I give him, Craig he is. He's
Speaker 1: been very consistent about that. But there are significant players
Speaker 1: on this team where you can qualify it and say
Speaker 1: he does need rest. We talked about I don't want
Speaker 1: to see twenty one play when he once had some
Speaker 1: you know, he's my my hope, some bumps and bruises.
Speaker 1: Zach Martin, yeh, Tyrn Smith. DeMarcus Lawrence has been on
Speaker 1: the injury report this season. So there's a lot of
Speaker 1: guys that mean a lot to your team who probably
Speaker 1: could use a little bit of rest, I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: And it's not it's not. Oh, we're just resting guys.
Speaker 1: They need it, And here's an opportunity. We played the
Speaker 1: quarterback or not I play him a quarter? Okay, then
Speaker 1: I need I guess some Mary Cooper can play a
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, maybe Mark Cooper. I mean Mark Cooper's big.
Speaker 1: Mary Cooper's just as big as twenty one in this thing.
Speaker 1: If you think about the things he does, the plays
Speaker 1: he makes, but the stuff he opens up for other
Speaker 1: people too. I'm all for Noah Brown going out there
Speaker 1: and playing sixty five snaps if he can, you know,
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin, I'm all for those guys. Go ahead, Beasley
Speaker 1: with the foot man. Yeah, Noah, I mean I don't
Speaker 1: need to see her. Maybe I give him a quarter
Speaker 1: and then yeah, go go grab his helmet. This is
Speaker 1: terrible on my part. Did they get Lance Lenora back
Speaker 1: or we'll know that today on waivers. I haven't heard
Speaker 1: that he'll be today. He'll be today, Okay, Yeah, that one.
Speaker 1: That one was a little surprising to me. Guys. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie. Well, it's a sign that Tavon's closer, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: But and your numbers at receiver then are heavy. I
Speaker 1: like link, but you hate to lose a guy. Yes,
Speaker 1: there's teams that are out of it. They're gonna say,
Speaker 1: you know what, I've heard how much about this guy? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That this is where bad teams kind of start playing
Speaker 1: the waiver wire. Even the last week, they'll bring guys
Speaker 1: up off the practice squad to make sure they don't
Speaker 1: have to sign him. Arizona claim swearing jury. They did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Cowboys had no interest into him at all. And
Speaker 1: I know everybody out there is you know why, why why?
Speaker 1: But you know you got a young safety that played
Speaker 1: his rear off the other day. That kid, that kid
Speaker 1: does not get a break when it comes to how
Speaker 1: he how he tackles people. And that was something I
Speaker 1: was worried about him rapid. He's more than physical. That
Speaker 1: man that that Xavier Woods will throw his body around
Speaker 1: and he and he and he really tries to do
Speaker 1: it the right way. He really does. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's not a headhunter. He tries to do it the
Speaker 1: right way. I don't know what else he could have
Speaker 1: done on that he that was textbook when they when
Speaker 1: when Mickey and I go back to the meeting they
Speaker 1: have and next summer, and then Al Rubion standing there,
Speaker 1: Mickey's gonna look at him and say, honestly, all you
Speaker 1: really really that, Mickey? No, Mickey questions the guy. It's great.
Speaker 1: I sat there and watched him just question those referees.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I get him. Mickey. You know what
Speaker 1: we bought the hat there. I mean we're going back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: We're going back. I've got back every year. I've got
Speaker 1: a towel now it's a black and white stripe like
Speaker 1: a racist. It's on top of my my my computer
Speaker 1: square upstairs. Yeah. I meant to bring it in so
Speaker 1: I just throw the flag in your next life. You
Speaker 1: were going to be an NFL official. I just know it.
Speaker 1: If I didn't do what I did, I would have
Speaker 1: gone into officiating. I'll guarantee you. Did you see Mickey
Speaker 1: those cold games. I could soldier Field all bundled up.
Speaker 1: You know he's got the his hat ons. Yep. Maybe
Speaker 1: over the years I'd have been calling balls and strikes
Speaker 1: or technical files in basketball. There you go. You have
Speaker 1: the mentality of a and do it. Don't put up
Speaker 1: job at two. Yeah, Rickey, Mickey would get in trouble
Speaker 1: because the coach would say something to him and he
Speaker 1: would turn and say something bad. Oh, he would toss.
Speaker 1: Everybody likes him. Gosh that temper. Okay, all right, let's
Speaker 1: take our first break when we come back. Let's talk
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Speaker 1: listen to Jerry Jones this morning? I did any highlights?
Speaker 1: Any nuggets, Um, I think, I mean, I think we
Speaker 1: sort of already hit on it, but he sounded like
Speaker 1: they're ready to put Tavon Austin on the field. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I believe a lot of it has to do
Speaker 1: with maybe throwing some plays out there to let the
Speaker 1: next opponents say, hmmm, I got to waste five minutes
Speaker 1: of practice on that just in case. Well done. So
Speaker 1: it sounded like, you know, obviously Zack Martin does it
Speaker 1: need to be out there, But he was kind of
Speaker 1: a proponent of h he spying into his head. Coaches
Speaker 1: a right, the GM, the GM needs to think about
Speaker 1: replace the players. I'm telling you, don't. Don't buy into
Speaker 1: the no he's I mean, think about this. Doesn't ten
Speaker 1: and six sound much better than nine and seven? I
Speaker 1: know at this point it doesn't matter. Boy, we got
Speaker 1: some nice hats, that's all. But I think I think
Speaker 1: ten and six sounds especially since I picked him to
Speaker 1: go ten and six. The Giants win the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: at nine and seven, they sure did, But he really
Speaker 1: cares to beat the Cowboys? Right? Yeah? They won? They won.
Speaker 1: I think they won three straight road games, right all right?
Speaker 1: They won at Tampa, won at Dallas, and then won
Speaker 1: at Green Bay and then won the Super Bowl in
Speaker 1: the road. So yeah, four straight road Yeah, in the season.
Speaker 1: Um what else? Oh he also and I thought this
Speaker 1: was very interesting talking about the season, Uh, that he
Speaker 1: really values them being able to dig them selves out
Speaker 1: of a hole. That it was three and five and
Speaker 1: things got better, and he thought you could be more
Speaker 1: excited about that than basically anything else. They had the
Speaker 1: wherewithal and improved to the point and his point was, hey,
Speaker 1: we lost some games to some really good teams, and
Speaker 1: they were and they were close calls. You know, he
Speaker 1: met the three five. You know, you lose to Houston
Speaker 1: at that time, Washington was hot. Yeah, two games by
Speaker 1: uh three points. So uh. He talked extensively about how
Speaker 1: how he thought that was very valuable for the growth
Speaker 1: of this team. More impressed, more impressive how they won
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen the division or how they did it
Speaker 1: this year. I would say twenty sixteen only because number one,
Speaker 1: how good the record was, and number two, your quarterback
Speaker 1: was a fourth round draft pick who started training camp
Speaker 1: as your number three guy. I don't think anybody saw
Speaker 1: that coming, not to the level that they played. And
Speaker 1: Zeke was a rookie and it was just kind of
Speaker 1: a magical season, right, But I don't want to take
Speaker 1: anything away from what Mickey just said. The way they've
Speaker 1: climbed out of this, that's a lot of people wrote
Speaker 1: them off. Most people did. I mean, if you think
Speaker 1: about it, even though the first game was sixteen to eight, yeah,
Speaker 1: we thought they were in over their heads against Carolina, yes, uh.
Speaker 1: And then obviously Seattle it really wasn't as close as
Speaker 1: what was at twenty four thirteen. Yeah, it was like
Speaker 1: that was a tough one, you know, and then you
Speaker 1: go to you go to Washington and they had to
Speaker 1: scrap and beat Detroit at home, and then and then
Speaker 1: Washington and then you know, you get beat by Tennessee
Speaker 1: and you're ready to throw in the towel. Yeah. See,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. It was to me, as they
Speaker 1: were winning games in two thy sixteen, it was a
Speaker 1: pres I said of how they they did a great job.
Speaker 1: The offense was just humming along your rookie rookie quarterback,
Speaker 1: rookie running back, and it's just such a magical type
Speaker 1: of a run. I think I'm more impressed by what
Speaker 1: they just did. I think I'm more impressed by them
Speaker 1: going and winning the game in Atlanta, and Okay, Lanta
Speaker 1: turned out to be you know, Jacksonville. Mickey. Mickey was
Speaker 1: right about Jacksonville. I mean, I'm just saying there were
Speaker 1: teams at the time that you thought, damn Atlanta. They
Speaker 1: scored thirty one points at home, man, how do you
Speaker 1: stop them? Remember that whole week I was just telling me, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta do this, you gotta and he went out
Speaker 1: there and shut them down. Yeah, and then you and
Speaker 1: then he beat a New Orleans team. It was extremely high.
Speaker 1: I just feel now that season sixteen, he went the
Speaker 1: rookie the quarterback won a game at Pittsburgh, and he
Speaker 1: won a game at Green Bay. And not many rookie
Speaker 1: quarterbacks get to live to tell a story. One day.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be retired old Mississippi fishing with his grandkids.
Speaker 1: He said, Yeah, your granddad won a game at Hinz
Speaker 1: Field against Ben Roethlisberger, who they just stuck in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, you know, winning driving. Yeah, exactly. You know,
Speaker 1: I took Aaron Rodgers, went toe to toe with Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers Hall of Fame guy. Yeah, your dad or your granddad,
Speaker 1: you know, you know what I'm saying that those are
Speaker 1: But yeah, but the whole they dug out of when
Speaker 1: it when it looked, I mean, it looks so bleak. Hey,
Speaker 1: three and five just looked like going to philadelphia're thinking there,
Speaker 1: this is over. I mean, all right, brought us fire
Speaker 1: up the coaching talk again, you idiot. You know, I
Speaker 1: think you're swaying me. You're swaying me. No, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying. I mean I'm looking at the schedule
Speaker 1: right now, and it's that it's for Yeah, they went
Speaker 1: on the road at Philly, but it's that three games
Speaker 1: and eleven days, twelve days. It changed their whole season.
Speaker 1: You know, you beat Washington on Thanksgiving and then it's
Speaker 1: a you go, you don't get this, that ten day
Speaker 1: break out Thanksgiving, seven days later you're playing the unstoppable
Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints and what they were able to do,
Speaker 1: and then coming back after the break and beating Philly
Speaker 1: and overtime at home, showing a lot of guts there.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's I don't think anybody thought not only
Speaker 1: could they come back and win the division, but win
Speaker 1: it with a game to spare three and five? Right,
Speaker 1: It really is incredible what they've been able to do.
Speaker 1: You know. Jerry kind of compared it too when he
Speaker 1: first got here and they blew the whole thing up
Speaker 1: and they were, you know, they were awful, and he
Speaker 1: pointed out, he goes and everybody was saying, you know,
Speaker 1: with these guys don't know what they're doing. Dah, And
Speaker 1: he goes in we train. We chained some tradition, meaning
Speaker 1: people that had worked here for twenty nine years, well
Speaker 1: they had a lot of them. Yeah, and then and
Speaker 1: then and basically dug themselves out of the hole they
Speaker 1: kind of created trying to get better. And then in
Speaker 1: ninety one they made it to the playoffs, and so
Speaker 1: it was like digging yourself out of a huge hole.
Speaker 1: And it's very gratifying than just inheriting something and going forward,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, think about his life. He dug
Speaker 1: himself a pretty good hole, yeah, you know, and he
Speaker 1: kind of dug himself out of it. So I thought
Speaker 1: that had a lot of meaning to this run to
Speaker 1: get into the playoffs. But there are some parallels between
Speaker 1: this one and twenty sixteen. And I'm talking about dealing
Speaker 1: with injuries because twenty sixteen was so impressive to me,
Speaker 1: obviously because of twenty fifteen when Romo went down, they
Speaker 1: couldn't do anything. Didn't do anything this year defensively, Sean
Speaker 1: Lee's been out for a large portion of this season.
Speaker 1: Ealthy scratch, didn't play last week, only played seven snaps
Speaker 1: the week before. And what this defense is doing, what
Speaker 1: these young linebackers are doing, Yeah, really impressive. It's just
Speaker 1: night and day from the season before both those years.
Speaker 1: Every week and that we do a postgame show. I
Speaker 1: look at the tackles and it's either Vanderish or Jalen Smith.
Speaker 1: Every weekend it's vander Smith. And sometimes they'll flip, you know,
Speaker 1: and then one day you'll get vandersch will make all
Speaker 1: the tackles and and Jalen Smith will knock down all
Speaker 1: the passes. You know. And I never would have believed
Speaker 1: that I would have seen Sean Lee be a healthy
Speaker 1: scratch for this football team. I would have never that
Speaker 1: if you just said, Okay, go to go to Vegas, Rob,
Speaker 1: you know, you and I we like the go in
Speaker 1: the sports books. Maybe when we're allowed to back in
Speaker 1: the day, back in the day, and if you said, okay,
Speaker 1: put me put a ticket down on Shawn Lee will
Speaker 1: be a healthy scratch this year for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: The odds on that after what you know about Sean
Speaker 1: Lee and how important he was to the team, and
Speaker 1: we're and you know, we're I mean, I know myself
Speaker 1: sitting here talking about on these shows and all the
Speaker 1: things we do, the happy Hour shows and stuff. Oh no,
Speaker 1: don't worry about Sean Lee. You gotta put him in there,
Speaker 1: getting back in there, getting back and they're getting back
Speaker 1: in there. And then what they don't need him And
Speaker 1: it's I don't mean don't need him in a bad way.
Speaker 1: I mean, they just don't need him. They don't, They
Speaker 1: don't they they they have, they have survived the having
Speaker 1: Sean Lee. They've served vibe the you know yeah, And
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say they've been able to withstand not
Speaker 1: having him on the field in two linebackers have made
Speaker 1: him just yeah, guy that's standing next to you, and
Speaker 1: I now Jason kind of qualified a little bit Mick
Speaker 1: the other day Christmas Eve. He talked about how Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown's injury kind of led to that situation where he
Speaker 1: writing active because they needed somebody to be able to
Speaker 1: play special teams. And they're still trying to manage Sean's
Speaker 1: reps right back, and so yeah, you weren't going to
Speaker 1: play h much anymore. It was a thirteen to fifteen
Speaker 1: rep thing, and he doesn't play special teams. But I
Speaker 1: never always, I never thought i'd see a game though
Speaker 1: where Sean Lee, even playing thirteen or fifteen snaps, wasn't
Speaker 1: going to play when you gotta win get into division title.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, that that to me was that That
Speaker 1: to me was really that just shows you there's you
Speaker 1: know that, that's what Jerry Jones needs to be proud
Speaker 1: about the fact that he you know, he had blowhearts
Speaker 1: like me telling him, I don't draft Jalen Smith, I can't.
Speaker 1: You know, gosh, he's got a brace, he's got his
Speaker 1: nerve problems, you know. I mean there's a lot of
Speaker 1: risks there. Oh, I mean, doctor doctor Cooper. Give him
Speaker 1: a you know, tip of the cap to him as well.
Speaker 1: He should get a Nobel Peace Prize. Yeah, no for
Speaker 1: what he did, doctor Cooper. Yes, Oh gosh, it's incredible.
Speaker 1: I love Staff. Oh no, absolutely. Then he's wearing the
Speaker 1: LBJ hat. Well, no, he's wearing the hat the back
Speaker 1: in the day. Cheez. I wish I knew with the
Speaker 1: doctor's name. But back when I used to come to
Speaker 1: the games in the seventies, the team doctor for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys wore the exact same was it was doctor uh,
Speaker 1: doctor Knight Night, Doctor Knight, doctor Knight. I don't want
Speaker 1: to get the man's no. I think that he was
Speaker 1: Tom Landry's guy and he wore the hat. But I
Speaker 1: think doctor Cooper said it's one of those he honored LBJA. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he wears in honor of him, you know, and that's
Speaker 1: just that's that shows you the respect he has. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, Jerry Jones has made some incredible moves, you know,
Speaker 1: and when we want to be critical and we want
Speaker 1: to point the finger of things he's made, he did
Speaker 1: everything he could to try and make this team go him.
Speaker 1: Will McClay, Steven give Jason Garrett quick. Jason Garrett has
Speaker 1: a voice in that room too. You know, this season
Speaker 1: and it's not it didn't unfold identically, but it ended
Speaker 1: sort of the same. Just reminded me of nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: one and before right before the season started, by the way,
Speaker 1: they traded for Steve Berlin. Yeah, it was like, okay,
Speaker 1: backup Correadors from the Raiders. He was crossways with Al
Speaker 1: Davis and Davis trying to get rid of him, and
Speaker 1: I don't remember what they might have given up, a
Speaker 1: fourth round draft choice something like that. Anyway, they started
Speaker 1: off pretty well. I believe they were five and two,
Speaker 1: and then they ended up six and five, and they
Speaker 1: had three road games in a row, and all the
Speaker 1: anal people were you can't you're done if you got
Speaker 1: what play three road games in a row, and they
Speaker 1: lost the first two, one of them I believe it
Speaker 1: was to Houston in overtime, and the last one was
Speaker 1: at Washington and Troy Aikman suffers the spring knee in
Speaker 1: top top the early part of the third quarter and
Speaker 1: Burline comes in. They win that game, and then they
Speaker 1: went on won the last four. So they ended up
Speaker 1: with a five game winning streak to finish eleven and
Speaker 1: five and went on the road to Chicago, where they
Speaker 1: had no business winning, and they beat the Bears seventeen
Speaker 1: thirteen with Burline at quarterback. And so they kind of
Speaker 1: dug themselves out of a hole that they created and
Speaker 1: on the strength of a trade that they made early
Speaker 1: in the year to bring Burline in, who played awfully
Speaker 1: well down that five game winning streak. All you can ask,
Speaker 1: if you're a fan of this team, all you can
Speaker 1: ask is your front office give you hope, get you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, and a lot of people will very critical
Speaker 1: of the Amari Cooper trade, but it was it was
Speaker 1: the right trade at the right time. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: you know, the Cowboys are gonna pick in the twenties now,
Speaker 1: I trust you. And we start the draft show coming
Speaker 1: up here and you know, another month where there's not
Speaker 1: gonna be a player on that board at twenty five.
Speaker 1: That's better than Amari Cooper. I'm just telling you right now.
Speaker 1: And it's for the future. It's for the future. It
Speaker 1: will be twenty five next year when he's playing with
Speaker 1: that part. I can hear. I can hear our buddy
Speaker 1: Steven Thomas out there right now. Ah. You know what, though,
Speaker 1: you gave up the money, you gave up the you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, but you gotta do what you have
Speaker 1: to do right now, and you're giving yourself a chance. Yeah.
Speaker 1: This season, And another comparison to ninety one, that was
Speaker 1: a pretty young football team, right, very young. I mean
Speaker 1: we're talking you had gone three and thirteen one in
Speaker 1: fifteen seven and nine and they were one win away
Speaker 1: in ninety from going from the worst team in the
Speaker 1: league into the playoffs. Yeah. Actually they didn't even need
Speaker 1: to win. If if the I believe it was the
Speaker 1: Saints had lost the last game him of the year.
Speaker 1: They were going to the playoffs at seven and nine,
Speaker 1: and everybody was at Cowboy Cafe watching the game big screen,
Speaker 1: the big screens, Yeah, yelling the old Cowboy Cafe players,
Speaker 1: players were all in. It made it made it easy
Speaker 1: for me because I had to do a story after
Speaker 1: the game, and I had everybody there with me. I
Speaker 1: think I showed up there last night on my way
Speaker 1: home hang over the movie. I just kind of walked
Speaker 1: in there. I think Cowboys Cafe is long gone. It
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Speaker 1: can you pick the guy out of a lineup? I
Speaker 1: don't can't. I don't think I can. He's number sixty five,
Speaker 1: I know that. How about Ony Amoli? Yeah, who are you?
Speaker 1: He's the local guy too, is he? Yeah, he's from
Speaker 1: the area. They just signed him recently. Yeah, he's a sinner, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's number sixty five. Sixty seven sixty seven. He's a center,
Speaker 1: play center, and he's like the swing center guards. What
Speaker 1: about Cody Wickman? Cody Whickman is another offensive lineman guard
Speaker 1: Francene State. Yeah. He I think he's been here the
Speaker 1: whole time. The Mariposa, California, all right, it's not like
Speaker 1: a pretty place, Mariposa. I mean the first guys I
Speaker 1: kind of recognized, but I got down to those last
Speaker 1: three or four and it was like, who's hey, practice
Speaker 1: squads Olumba, you know, yeah, dinner all year? Who is okay? Gosh,
Speaker 1: oh help me? Mickey and Rob the kid that was
Speaker 1: traded before we went on the air Houston preseason game
Speaker 1: and he went to Kansas City. They traded him for
Speaker 1: the guard he started at corner Standrick West Is that right? Yeah? Exactly? Wow?
Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah? I can't It feels like a
Speaker 1: year ago. I can't argue, but he if it's wrong, Ward,
Speaker 1: it was Ward? Ward? Was this not west Ward? I
Speaker 1: can't say the first name the right way, but it's
Speaker 1: Ward is his last name. It can't. In Kansas City
Speaker 1: they were trying to move guy. I mean the Cowboys
Speaker 1: were trying to move that Cowboys wanted to keep the guy,
Speaker 1: and then they ended up in training for Anger. Yeah. Anger, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the guard who got hurt like the second practice he
Speaker 1: was here. Doesn't seemed like forever ago, yes, but but
Speaker 1: but he started. He started last week for Kansas City
Speaker 1: in the in the game. Yeah, everybody liked him a lot.
Speaker 1: He was a he was a big time players ward
Speaker 1: dB and he had he had a good, good camp.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's what I'm saying. Him in a lumba and
Speaker 1: those guys. Yeah, they really liked those guys, and and
Speaker 1: they ended up the Chiefs got him, and he's been
Speaker 1: with them the whole year, and he actually had to start.
Speaker 1: They remember Anger's first day, first day. First name, Oh
Speaker 1: Parker Parker. Yeah, I was gonna say Pete Parker Parker.
Speaker 1: So they it's a long season, isn't it. Oh? They
Speaker 1: So they took CJ. They activated CJ. Goodwin, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: been on reserve, injured reserve flyer. Get another, Yeah, they
Speaker 1: could use one to get down there and cover punts.
Speaker 1: How about kicks? How about kickoffs? If people are bringing
Speaker 1: the ball out of there? My gosh, but they've exposed
Speaker 1: Lance Lenore. Yeah, we'll know today, we'll know about that
Speaker 1: coming up three o'clock today. How do you feel about
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown this week or in the next couple of
Speaker 1: weeks with his back. I think maybe in two weeks
Speaker 1: he's good. They they seem encouraged when at the end
Speaker 1: of the week they just thought it was best to
Speaker 1: let him rest up and try to get that thing
Speaker 1: under control. But they were feeling better about it, so
Speaker 1: but not good enough to play him all right, Bryan
Speaker 1: brought us you spent time on Christmas Day breaking down
Speaker 1: the New York Giants. I did look at the Giants
Speaker 1: little because I hadn't seen him since week two, and
Speaker 1: they're they're a little bit different team now than they
Speaker 1: once were. Uh. They've kind of made some changes. You know,
Speaker 1: the right tackle is now Chad Wheeler. They they've moved
Speaker 1: on uh since and that's really This offensive line still
Speaker 1: is the problem. You know. Eli Manning is still the
Speaker 1: trigger man. Se Quon Barkleys everything we thought he was
Speaker 1: going to be. They throw him the ball, They when
Speaker 1: they hand it to him, he makes people miss. They've
Speaker 1: been playing without Odell Beckham the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Odell Beckham will be back this week.
Speaker 1: They might just uh, you know, but again they've had
Speaker 1: some problems with you know, Nate Solder. They gave Nate
Speaker 1: Solder a bunch of money for you know, the from
Speaker 1: the Patriots to play left tackle and he's had his struggles.
Speaker 1: Will Hernandez looks better. They drafted him from UTEP. He's
Speaker 1: playing the left guard. Uh, with Spencer Spencer Pulleys now
Speaker 1: the center. They've when the last time to CA always
Speaker 1: played John Greco was the center. So they've they've made
Speaker 1: some switches in the offensive line. I thought for a
Speaker 1: while there they were going to be good enough to
Speaker 1: be eight and eight. You know, they were kind of
Speaker 1: making a little bit of a run there, and then
Speaker 1: they last couple of weeks they've kind of spit the bit. So,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see. We'll see how they play it
Speaker 1: with Manning. They on defense though a lot of the
Speaker 1: same guys still. It's not you know, Snacks Harrison is
Speaker 1: no longer there keeping on this BJ Hill from North
Speaker 1: Carolina State. He's listed as a defensive end, but he
Speaker 1: plays as a defensive tackle. He's one of my under
Speaker 1: the radar guys I wrote about today. I like him.
Speaker 1: I think he's a better he's playing really kind of
Speaker 1: out of position. They play a three or four front,
Speaker 1: and so he plays like a defensive end, but he's
Speaker 1: really more of a defensive tackle, and so he's he's
Speaker 1: a rookie that's getting a start for him. Olivier Vernon
Speaker 1: is still there. Part BW Web or old Buddy b W.
Speaker 1: Webb is playing corner for them right now. Landing Collins
Speaker 1: is still there and Norris Jenkins. So yeah, they've changed
Speaker 1: a little bit since the last time that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: met him, mainly in the on the offensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball. But it's a you know, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what though, I'm glad. I'm glad though it didn't come
Speaker 1: down to having to go win a game there, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'm glad it didn't because you
Speaker 1: never know, I mean you just the giants. You know,
Speaker 1: at times they've looked really good and they still I'll
Speaker 1: tell you again, here's another I forgot about Evan Ingram,
Speaker 1: the tight end, and here's another matchup of another tight
Speaker 1: end that they're gonna have to deal with. You know,
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram had seven catches the last time these two
Speaker 1: teams met and went and watched him, and primarily there
Speaker 1: was some zone coverage with Mickey Hates and he's right
Speaker 1: about that. And then there was Jeff Heath kind of
Speaker 1: taking him with a couple of routes and stuff. So
Speaker 1: if no Beckham, then he's gonna be your primary guy.
Speaker 1: Him and Barkley are gonna be the primary guys that
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to deal with. And I'm saying this
Speaker 1: in a way of young guys playing. Okay, let's see, Okay,
Speaker 1: it came on Frasier. Let's see a cover ingram. You know.
Speaker 1: That's kind of how I'm looking at this game. How
Speaker 1: how are the how's? How's a Randy Gregory gonna rush
Speaker 1: against Snate Solar? You know? I want to see those
Speaker 1: kind of things, you know, and see if these young
Speaker 1: kids can can make some plays. I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: of the last time. I think it was twenty eleven,
Speaker 1: they went to the Meadowlands having to win the game
Speaker 1: to get in and they lost, and I think the
Speaker 1: Giants went on to win the Super Bowl that year.
Speaker 1: It's a very different. It's a situation you don't want
Speaker 1: to be in, no because it's a division rival, and
Speaker 1: you flip a coin and anything can happen and the
Speaker 1: tenor yeah, feeling around this game is much different than
Speaker 1: it could have been this week. Yeah, you you you
Speaker 1: just don't want to have to go and especially if
Speaker 1: the conditions are calling for thirty four degrees or twenty
Speaker 1: thirty one degrees in snow, you know you don't. You
Speaker 1: don't want to have to deal with that, you know,
Speaker 1: and you don't want to have to deal with with
Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley and if he gets one hundred and fifty yards,
Speaker 1: so what you know, Okay, you know we'll see you
Speaker 1: in next year. You know, we'll worry about you next year.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's uh, it does. Division games are tough,
Speaker 1: and you know, the Giants. I'm sure the Giants are
Speaker 1: gonna try, and you know the Pat Shermer, the coach there,
Speaker 1: and you know, they don't want to lose. They want
Speaker 1: to finish on a strong I mean, they've they've had
Speaker 1: two bad games in a row here where they were
Speaker 1: actually playing pretty well and then and then they they lose.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure they want to finish on a high note.
Speaker 1: And you know Jason Garrett, I'm sure he wants to
Speaker 1: finish on a high note. But we've talked about this
Speaker 1: at length. At what cost? You know what costs? Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett will play all the games, will play him. You know,
Speaker 1: he'll tell you there's only sixteen of these, you know,
Speaker 1: And and he's not wrong, not wrong what you're looking at, Mick.
Speaker 1: I was trying to see how many catches Ingram had,
Speaker 1: but he's not listed in here. I don't see it.
Speaker 1: He's had, he's been, He's missed time, Mickey, so he's
Speaker 1: not gonna be. He's missed like three or four games.
Speaker 1: There was stretch where he missed like three games and
Speaker 1: then he's just now come back. But I know he
Speaker 1: gets the Cowboys. I watched him play specifically because I
Speaker 1: want to see how they played him. And that's where
Speaker 1: he was seven targets, seven catches, his high number. His
Speaker 1: high number was tennis. See, he had ten, ten targets
Speaker 1: and eight catches in that game. And that was just
Speaker 1: recently here. So so if I'm reading at this ride,
Speaker 1: he doesn't even have thirty seven catches. Yeah, he's but
Speaker 1: he's missed probably five games this year with because of injuries.
Speaker 1: But you know whose second m whose second guy named Ertz? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he broke Jason Witten's single season tight end record. Yeah,
Speaker 1: did he? Yeah, this past week? How many does he have?
Speaker 1: One hundred and what I think I saw one hundred
Speaker 1: and thirteen? What did Witten have? He has one hundred
Speaker 1: and thirteen. He's second in the league to Thomas New
Speaker 1: Orleans with one hundred and twenty. Witten head I think
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten. He had one hundred catch season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember got like a ninety. He was in the
Speaker 1: nineties a couple of times. Yeah, all right, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: mentioned the Giants offensive line, and obviously that's been a
Speaker 1: struggle for them. Let's see if these young guys can
Speaker 1: get some pressure, that'd be good Taco and those guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: why not? He got me thinking. You know, Taco has
Speaker 1: been out, he hadn't played for a few weeks. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And we had a mail back question on Randy Gregory.
Speaker 1: He's playing six acts in thirteen games, and just the more,
Speaker 1: ask more question, ask Mickey the same question. Well, the
Speaker 1: more experience he gets, the better. Yeah, right, just let
Speaker 1: him keep playing experiencing things. We had a question on
Speaker 1: before we get out of here, Randy Gregory, do you
Speaker 1: think he can be consistently dominant like we saw against
Speaker 1: the Bucks last week. Or you think he's going to
Speaker 1: be more of a good player, just a good player? Yeah,
Speaker 1: as his ceiling. The question is good player or will
Speaker 1: he be a guy that I'm not saying that the Marcus,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, you know, a higher a guy
Speaker 1: that's gonna get eight nine sacks a year. So I'm
Speaker 1: trying to remember how much did he play last year? No? No,
Speaker 1: he did not. No, he basically didn't played one game.
Speaker 1: That's why you're trying to gauge where he's gonna be.
Speaker 1: He got to training camp this year, right, uh some point? Yes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was there for the start of yamp Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I can't remember, but he did practice right off the bat. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think he missed most of the offseason. Is that right?
Speaker 1: I'm trying to He was not reinstated until training camp. Okay, So,
Speaker 1: and he's done this with that right, watch out for him.
Speaker 1: If he keeps himself on the straight and narrow. It
Speaker 1: seems to be on a pretty good path right now.
Speaker 1: M boy. What he can do is it look the
Speaker 1: sack fumble. Yeah, he got ridden off the play, did
Speaker 1: not give up, No, not as not like he's pretty boy.
Speaker 1: Out there. I got all these great skills. He came
Speaker 1: storming back to get Jamis Winston from behind. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: farantee Winston probably thought that guy's long gone. Well, let
Speaker 1: me tell you this. I'm gonna break that play down
Speaker 1: for you today. They were they were Deshaun Jackson was
Speaker 1: wide open and that's who he was loading up to
Speaker 1: throw the ball too. He Jackson had beaten a Woozier
Speaker 1: on like he was gonna run the slant. They tried
Speaker 1: to pick a Woozier and then Jackson broke off the
Speaker 1: went up the field. A Woozier was a good five
Speaker 1: yards away from him, and your quarterback was loading up
Speaker 1: to throw him the ball right down the middle of
Speaker 1: the field when Randy Gregory hid him from behind. I'll
Speaker 1: break it down for you guys to day and Dallas,
Speaker 1: you know what. And I just hope he's gotten to
Speaker 1: the point where he's enjoying himself because this has been
Speaker 1: such a struggle. Sure, And I can't remember if I
Speaker 1: mentioned this on Monday or not, but after the game
Speaker 1: I got in there late after listening to Jason he said,
Speaker 1: evidently he had already talked and I didn't hear it.
Speaker 1: And I went up to him and he was I said,
Speaker 1: come on, man, he goes, yeah, I don't like to talk.
Speaker 1: I just want to play. And I said, well, there's
Speaker 1: something to be said for that. I said, but you
Speaker 1: need to enjoy this, you know. And he's been a
Speaker 1: long journey for him, many long journey, and you just
Speaker 1: hope he's enjoying it. Yeah, like enjoying it to the
Speaker 1: point where now I can take care of the other
Speaker 1: stuff because I love this so much. And that was
Speaker 1: Marinelli's deal when they drafted him. Yeah, it was like,
Speaker 1: if the man loves football, he'll do what he needs
Speaker 1: to do to continue playing. And maybe he's gotten to
Speaker 1: that point. He's one of a lot of young guys
Speaker 1: stepping up for this team and they got one more
Speaker 1: regular season game to go. We'll be back on Thursday
Speaker 1: to talk about it with Bill Jones. Thank you guys
Speaker 1: for joining us. Thanks to Keith for producing. We'll talk
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