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Speaker 1: to what we say here. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode

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Speaker 1: four twenty five, and it starts now. Welcome to Cardinals

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Speaker 1: for the touchdown. Here's Craig Grielou and Mike Jareckie got

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Speaker 1: a lot of feedback from our last show. MJ always

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Speaker 1: appreciated hearing from the Bird gang, especially if you disagree

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Speaker 1: idea sometimes is to give different thoughts. So maybe something

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Speaker 1: is always key. We appreciate that very very much. Now,

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Speaker 1: no need to revisit these Avan Collins Jordan Hicks topics.

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Speaker 1: I made my feelings very clear. I was taken aback though.

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Speaker 1: We finished that show, and then I watched the trailer

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Speaker 1: to the upcoming flight Plan episode. It's episode two titled

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Speaker 1: First Class. It drops May twenty fourth at seven pm.

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Speaker 1: And this trailer starts with a scene just outside the

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Speaker 1: you hear the commissioner announced the pick of Zavian Collins

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Speaker 1: We're talking mid May, and it was known in April

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Speaker 1: most of these guys, they have to be mentally strong

428
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: and they know what's expected. I think when I entered

429
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 1: this program, which before the International Player Pathway, it was

430
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 1: called International Practice Squad, and I was a first of

431
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 1: the I was one of four guys of the first generation,

432
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 1: right because it was the NFC West back in two

433
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: thousand and four, and it was it was a cold

434
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 1: We would call each other, We're like, dude, are you okay?

435
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 1: Have you eaten? Like? Are you are you getting your

436
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: team meals? Is anybody checking up on you? And I

437
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 1: think that's important. The program has grown a lot guys,

438
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: and obviously with Steve Kime welcoming this tight end from Austria,

439
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, it just tells you how committed the league

440
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 1: and the teams are with the development of these guys.

441
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 1: And I like what you said earlier as far as

442
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: the marketing and trying to expand the brand of the

443
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: NFL around the world. But it's not just a marketing plan.

444
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: There's You're a perfect example of this International Player Pathway

445
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: program working two thousand and four, elevated the active roster

446
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: in two thousand and five. So yes, it's a much longer,

447
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: much more difficult road, but it is possible. How much

448
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 1: pride in your own journey do you take and the

449
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 1: fact that you are a success as far as this

450
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: program is concerned, well, you know what, I took this

451
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: opportunity to put my name on it. And back in

452
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 1: oh four when I was playing with the Berlin Thunder

453
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: and I started a couple of games down the stretch

454
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 1: and we won the World Bowl, I knew I had

455
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: a shot to compete for one of the four spots,

456
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: right because back then you had a pool players that

457
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,120
Speaker 1: were actually playing in one league and NFO Europe, which

458
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 1: was the developmental league of the NFL. Here you have

459
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 1: guys playing in independent leagues in Germany, you have guys

460
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 1: playing college ball in Mexico, you have guys in Brazil

461
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 1: going semipro. I mean it's if you check out the scope.

462
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: I don't think the NFL, you know, could actually manned

463
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: every single league because it would be impossible. Right, But

464
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: then you get that gem out there that's willing to work,

465
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: that's willing to you know, to commit to this, and

466
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: and you'll have players who actually go up to the roster.

467
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: I mean, we've this this program has has developed great

468
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: guys throughout the years, and for me, Craig, I think

469
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 1: when I came in, it was okay, I want I

470
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: want to stay focused, I want to learn as much

471
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: as I can because I knew I did not play

472
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: at USC. I knew I didn't play at Oklahoma or Obama,

473
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: and we had players that were coming fresh out of college,

474
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: big name guys that were rookie free agents that were

475
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 1: drafted by the team that wanted the same spot. So

476
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you are competing. Even

477
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: though back then when I was here it was a

478
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 1: one year practice squad deal, these guys have a fully

479
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: guaranteed three year practice squad deal regardless of what happens.

480
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 1: They're exempt unless the team in year two kind of says, okay,

481
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: this guy is ready to let me elevate them, or

482
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: once you elevate them to the regular practice squad and

483
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 1: he plays, and as you guys know, another team can

484
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: come and snatch him from you. So you know that's

485
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: that's that's where you want to be. Ultimately, as the

486
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: IPP program, you want your players to have a high

487
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: quality performance so other teams can actually put them on rosters.

488
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: When you look at Bernhardt, I know football's a little

489
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: known as a different sport. How will that help him?

490
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: Just with footwork and you know, being able to turn

491
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: on a dime and you know the blocking is something

492
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to learn. But what about him playing

493
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: football in his country. Well, obviously he's an athlete, right,

494
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 1: He's got the size, he's got the metrics to to

495
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: play and fill the eye. It's gonna be interesting to

496
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: see him how he'd transitions from his rookie camp into

497
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: you know, a regular mini camp setting, OTAs when the

498
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: veterans get here, you know, when when we have the

499
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: starters there before him on the tight end position. Because

500
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: it's very important Mike that once you get to your

501
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: tight end room, they accept you. If they accept you

502
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: and they bring you under their wing, you know you're

503
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: going to get that extra help when you want to

504
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: ask for help, Like what I do in this situation

505
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: max protection? Do I stay inside? Do I look outside?

506
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: I mean, what do I do? What route do I run?

507
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 1: If you have a question? Right, So I think at

508
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: the end of the day that is very important. And

509
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: guys usually do cater to a guy that in a

510
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: way is not a direct competition. Because Bernhardt is not

511
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: a direct competition right now. Obviously, if he transitioned to this,

512
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: this beast on the field, well then he's gonna compete

513
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 1: for reps, right But right now, I think the veterans

514
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: are gonna look at him like, okay, let me bring

515
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: him along, let me develop it. That's what happened to me.

516
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: Leonard Davis, Cameron Spikes, Reggie Wells, these guys were opening

517
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: up their homes to me, right and their families and

518
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: the and their arms, and I was just fortunate enough

519
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 1: to be surrounded but a great group of guys that

520
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: wanted to teach me and and help me along the way,

521
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: and that's already happened. Max Williams reached out to him,

522
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: So I agree with in considering he's not familiar in

523
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: the culture and all that, I gotta think, you know,

524
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: they're obviously going to look after the guy at the

525
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: end of the day, of course, and playing him playing

526
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: soccer when he was younger, I think will definitely help

527
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: him out. I mean, he's he's got the feet for it. Um.

528
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: I never played soccer, guys, because I got ejected from

529
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: every single soccer match I ever played in, So I

530
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: thought that early I found out early football was American

531
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 1: football was my thing. I mean and pay yeah, yeah,

532
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: have you Rolando or do you plan to personally not

533
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: you know, with the microphone or anything like that or

534
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: trying an interview, But reach out to Bernhard and at least,

535
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: you know, let him know that, yes, this is a

536
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: great program. I'm sure he already knows, but tell tell

537
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: him your store and did offer up whatever help you

538
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: could give. Him? Of course, as as as soon as

539
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: we get clearings to kind of be in front of

540
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: the players, and you know, it's early summer. I think

541
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: we're transition into a regular schedule here, sooner than later,

542
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: I am going to reach out to him. I'm gonna

543
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna present myself. I introduced myself and kind of um,

544
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: you know, tell him my story and tell him how

545
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: he can you know, do it in this organization because

546
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,479
Speaker 1: the cars are really committed to this program. And I

547
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: think he's going to take advantage of this because, to

548
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 1: be honest with you, how many tight ends can we

549
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,479
Speaker 1: carry during training camp? I mean not many? Right six?

550
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: You've got You've got six right now. And I know

551
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: there's some people that believe that you know, there's there

552
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: should be another one in there, maybe a veteran. But

553
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: I do think out of all the positions, you know,

554
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 1: tight end and maybe corner, I mean, I don't know

555
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: what to expect from him. I might like his measurable

556
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: six five two sixty two. It is a position though,

557
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: to where you know there might be an option maybe

558
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 1: maybe at some point this season. Well. But also he

559
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: doesn't count against a roster exactly, so that's got to

560
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: be at that position. But like you said, he's he's

561
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: gonna be good. He doesn't he have to feel the

562
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: pressure obviously. You know, being in the practice squad has

563
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: a lot of benefits. You know, insurance, you don't travel,

564
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: but you're practicing here, you know. So the good news

565
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: is he's not competing for a roster spot where somebody

566
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: else is thinking, band I gotta beat him out exactly.

567
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: And that's where he gets his three four reps, you know, practice,

568
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: that's where he gets, you know, to play one quarter

569
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: of football this preseason, and that's what he's got to

570
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: prepare for. Other than that, I think all these players

571
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: know the responsibility and the expectation, right because let's be honest,

572
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: unless you you go out there and you really wow

573
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: somebody on day one, pretend it's like a pro day

574
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, this guy is it. We just

575
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: found the next you know, rotation tight end that we

576
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: can possibly have. Well, then it goes well for him,

577
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: but if not, you ease your way into it. And

578
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: back in the day, MJ coach Dennis Green got rested.

579
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: So he came up to me the first day as

580
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: soon as I got to the training camp and to

581
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: Flagstaff and he's like, can't to learn as much as

582
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: you can, you know, take it all in, soak it in.

583
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: I want you to get better every week. I want

584
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: your weight down, I want to get I want you

585
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: to get stronger. And we just started working from there.

586
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: So it's very similar to all these guys that come

587
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: in through this program for the league. I'll say this

588
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: is about Bernhard. He is certainly taking the right mindset

589
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: as far as the physicality. He had the quotes of

590
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: the offseason. Perhaps maybe when he addressed us via zoom

591
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: asking about why football quote you can do stuff you

592
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: really can't do in real life. You can hit people,

593
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: you can just lose your mind. Basically that really excites me,

594
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: and I mean you hear Ron willefully talk about it

595
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: all the time. You can get away with stuff on

596
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: the football field or a lot of you know this

597
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,479
Speaker 1: that you can't do. I mean, you can't go up.

598
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: That sounds to me like a hungry man. I think

599
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna be He's gonna do it all. And yes,

600
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: you're right. You know, they pay to have that physicality

601
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: to kind of have that mindset. And I think from

602
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: his background, just where he's coming from, it's something that

603
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, football was it right? If you chose football,

604
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: you had the opportunity to kind of be physical to

605
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: kind of mal somebody down. And I think that's what

606
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: you want. At the end of the day. This young

607
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: man has earned every single opportunity along the way up

608
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: until this point. He's young guys, I think if he's

609
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: in the right situation, which I think I believe he is,

610
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: and the league does assessments before they ship them out

611
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: to these these teams. They look for the best fit, Right,

612
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: where is he going to compete, who is his position coach,

613
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: what is the offensive scheme? That way, they determine where

614
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: he can actually, you know, become that starting football player

615
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: or become a rotational player, because at the end of

616
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: the day. The IPB program is designed to put these

617
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: players in the right spot to actually make the roster.

618
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: Speaking physicality, I want to get your thoughts, considering your

619
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: background as an offensive lineman, on what the Cardinals offensive

620
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: line looks like, not only the starters, but the second team.

621
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: As far as the upgrades that general manager Steve Kim

622
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: made with the addition of Rodney Hudson returning Kelvin Beecham,

623
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: you add a Brian Winters. This we heard Kim wants

624
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: to see his team be more physical on both sides

625
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: of the ball, but specifically in the offensive line. So

626
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: you have Kyler Murray with time to throw and a

627
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds at James Conner rushing lanes to run through.

628
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: Because the run game, certain I think we all in

629
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: an agreement, dipped a little bit late in the season,

630
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: but it all begins at that line of scrimmage where

631
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: that ball is hyped. All the movements Steve Kim and

632
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: his crew have done, in my eyes, have been to

633
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: better that protection for Kyler Murray and to actually start

634
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: moving the ball. At the end of the day. You

635
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: know DJ Humphreys, whenever he's committed to down blocking and

636
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: moving that rock. He's gonna do it. We've seen him

637
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: do it year after year. And I think when when

638
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: you give him that liberty of say, you know what,

639
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, guys, we're gonna run the ball thirty

640
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,239
Speaker 1: five times this game. You know it's maybe something. You

641
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Speaker 1: know it's a high number. But if you get the

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Speaker 1: right people in justin fusing their Ronnie Hudson, Brian Winters,

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Speaker 1: Hudson and Winters have that mindset of you know what,

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Speaker 1: give me the give me the call so I can

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Speaker 1: open up the lane so I can actually produce yards

646
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Speaker 1: and we need three four yards and we know that

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Speaker 1: if we're consistent in the running game, we'll get lucky

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day. We continue, we commit

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Speaker 1: to the running the ball. At the end of the

650
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: second or third quarter, we have these these chunk plays right,

651
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: twelve yard gains, fifteen yard gains through the ground and

652
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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, that's what you want

653
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: because that'll take a lot of pressure off With Kayler

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Speaker 1: at the end of the year, you mentioned to create

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Speaker 1: the last stretch. The protection was not all there, and

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Speaker 1: the guys were heard, the rotation was in and out.

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Speaker 1: I mean Justin Murray was in there. He was heard.

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Speaker 1: You know, the guys that were in there were struggling

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Speaker 1: to kind of just put a put a solid offensive line,

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Speaker 1: offensive line in there. And with what we have now

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Speaker 1: because it's an unofficial depth chart, right and this is

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Speaker 1: who I got. I got Ronnie Hudson obviously at center.

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Speaker 1: Brian Winter's big guard, pulling guard. I think he brings

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Speaker 1: that that toughness, that mental aspect to being tough and

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Speaker 1: kind of just pushing through with him and a veteran

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Speaker 1: of over ten years at the center position, that right

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Speaker 1: side will be awesome. Kevin Beachum, Guys, the day he

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Speaker 1: stepped into this building, I was all on number sixty eight.

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Speaker 1: I saw him in training camp. He was already slapping

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Speaker 1: people around of that aspect from him. And on the

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Speaker 1: other side, Dj Humphreys has it solid. We know Max

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Speaker 1: Garcia can maybe make a push justin Pee. Let's be

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00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: let's be honest, great guy, great football player, but he

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Speaker 1: needs to stay on the field in order to produce.

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Speaker 1: So this offensive line that they've had on paper right

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Speaker 1: now really looks interesting to me. And with the addition

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Speaker 1: of Michael Minute, a draftee this year, who's gonna you know,

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Speaker 1: try and soak it in. Maybe can compete the guy

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Speaker 1: who was a captain at Penn. The guy has played

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Speaker 1: a lot of college football. You won't know his true

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00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 1: football status until you put him in there in training camp.

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Speaker 1: And I think this is this is by far the

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Speaker 1: sixteen years I've been a part of this organization. On paper,

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00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: these guys look maulers already. I mean, I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: see where this can go. And obviously these guys know

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Speaker 1: that if they commit and stay healthy and they prep

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Speaker 1: right now in the summer, and they give Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: enough time to create his magic, this will be a

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Speaker 1: fun sis from And I'll add two other names MJ

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Speaker 1: to the mix, Justin Murray and Josh Jones. Jones the

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Speaker 1: draft pick from a year ago in the third round

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Speaker 1: who many people believe was a Day one pick. And

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Speaker 1: that right guard. I'm in agreement with you, Orlando as

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Speaker 1: far as right guard Brian Winters, but MJ, there could

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Speaker 1: be as far as competition along that offensive line competition

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Speaker 1: and right guard. Yeah, And I like what you're saying

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Speaker 1: about Winners. The thing is, you know, Murray's could be

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Speaker 1: your swing tackle. We talked, we haven't really Craig mentioned

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Speaker 1: of Josh Jones, he's a guy that can play, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe four different positions. You know. Coogler mentioned possibly guard.

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Speaker 1: But I want what I want to ask you is

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Speaker 1: because you know, everyone thinks now that with Ron del Moore,

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00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: this team is going to try to run for four

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Speaker 1: and five wide receiver sets. And I think we learned

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Speaker 1: the hard way in year one, especially that first month

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Speaker 1: of the season. So they're number one personnel is eleven personnel,

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Speaker 1: then twelve personnel, and I think there's a little bit

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Speaker 1: of shift when it comes to the offensive staff. Google

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Speaker 1: having more say, I think you could run the four

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Speaker 1: and five wide when you're looking for a two minute

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Speaker 1: or four minute drill to get in a field goal range.

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Speaker 1: So when you look at this offense, I mean, do

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Speaker 1: you like the eleven and twelve personnel where really you

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00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: can lead on your big guys? I love it. You know,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we know that that

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Speaker 1: when the time is right and Kyler needs to create

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Speaker 1: space and kind of you know, create some time in

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Speaker 1: order to scan and kind of hit somebody on the goal.

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Speaker 1: The offensive line is your key, guys. It's it's and

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Speaker 1: and I say it so many times on the Spanish broadcast.

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Speaker 1: But it's the motor, it's the cylinders to make this

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Speaker 1: thing go right right. And if these guys learn where

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Speaker 1: their quarterback is at early in training camp, because you

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Speaker 1: have to have a field where here in past protection,

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Speaker 1: you know, Kyler is going to favor one side right

726
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Speaker 1: and it's hard as a tackle DJ Humphreys. The first

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Speaker 1: year they got here, it was like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: it's a disaster. These tackles can block nothing. No. Half

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Speaker 1: the time, Kyler Murder was going towards the tackle side,

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Speaker 1: and it was making it easier for the defensive ends

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Speaker 1: and outside landbackers to kind of get them right. So

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Speaker 1: once you feel where your quarterback is in, I think

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Speaker 1: the protection scheme is gonna just gonna come together. And

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Speaker 1: these guys that you mentioned, Josh Jones to be precise,

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Speaker 1: this guy competed last year. This guy was, you know,

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Speaker 1: considered high end backup at certain points in the season.

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Speaker 1: And I think we've we've just kind of we've under

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Speaker 1: the radar. We've talked about, you know, ay the free

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Speaker 1: agents that came in Hudson and Winches, But this guy

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Speaker 1: is hungry. This guy was a starter for many years

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Speaker 1: at the University of Houston. This guy came in with

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Speaker 1: a chip in his shoulder, which if Coogler said, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna triumph it, guard watch out because somebody's gonna have

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00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: to share the reps and training camp. And that's what

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Speaker 1: you want at the end of the day, going into

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Speaker 1: to the personnels, you know that you want to run

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Speaker 1: for say, you have to have the body type, you

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00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: have to have the style. And most guys that are

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Speaker 1: on the roster right now for the Cardinals, these guys

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00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: are malors. These guys can flip the switch. And but

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00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: you have to have that balance right. You have to

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00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: know exactly when to down block, when to open up.

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00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 1: The running lanes went to kind of you know, combo

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Speaker 1: blocks up and dominate that aspect because if you don't

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Speaker 1: move anybody on the line of scrimmage, it's gonna be tough.

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Speaker 1: Coaches always said, hey, as long as you move them latterly,

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Speaker 1: you're good. Not in this scheme. This scheme, you have

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Speaker 1: to put your hand in the ground, you have to

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00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,479
Speaker 1: put your helmet in their in their in their face,

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Speaker 1: and kind of go from there. But I do see

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Speaker 1: that balance kind of jumping out this year, Mike because

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00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: there's these guys that have played for a while. They're

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00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: gonna protect Kider, They're gonna protect Hylder, and when it

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Speaker 1: comes down to first and second down, and when we

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00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: have that rotation constantly with Connor and Chase Edmonds, and

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Speaker 1: it's just kind of whoever else is going to be

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Speaker 1: in the backfield. I think this can work well if

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Speaker 1: it is Josh Jones at right guard. You're talking about

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Speaker 1: six seven, three ten. That is certainly a lot of

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Speaker 1: beef there at the position. But to your point, he

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Speaker 1: did get some experience last year, mainly as a sixth

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman. So we'll see what happens in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Rolando certainly appreciate the time. One more time. Let's let's

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Speaker 1: promote it again. I'm not going to embarrass myself with

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00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: the Spanish pronunciation, but it's the Cardinals. Tackle launched a

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00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: new Spanish language podcast with yourself and Louis Hernandez, and

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Speaker 1: this is going to come out bi weekly during the

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Speaker 1: off season and then weekly once the season begins. Correct, correct, guys,

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00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: look for let the Glad Cardinals. We are on all Spotify, Apple,

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00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: all the major platforms out there. Also on Easy Cardinals

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Speaker 1: dot com under podcast Again. Guys, it's always great talking

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Speaker 1: to you. I look forward to seeing your faces in

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Speaker 1: the office soon and hopefully we can do this in

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00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: person next time. That would be nice. And I think

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00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 1: we are getting closer and closer to that moment. Rolando,

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00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: Thanks again, MJ. He's got great insight. We need to

787
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: tap into that more. Yeah, you know, he's a guy

788
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: that you know, has been around the game a long time.

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00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: You know, he's a guy that also works on the

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00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: same floor as we do. And now they even veiled

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Speaker 1: the podcast, and you know, he's always good when it

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Speaker 1: comes to just breaking down certain positions and what it's

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00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: going to be like for Bernard Psychovits and how I

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00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: was going to affect him, just you know, kind of

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Speaker 1: learning on the fly. So no, he's a wealth of

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Speaker 1: knowledge and I always enjoy the list. It's always enjoyable

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Speaker 1: to listen to him. Also, it needs to be mentioned

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00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: he's the team's manager of international business ventures. He's very,

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00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: very big into that and very important aspect, not just

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Speaker 1: for the Cardinals, but the entire league as well. So

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00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: we'll hopefully, you know, hit up Rolando every so often,

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00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: because anytime you get a former players perspective. I think

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00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: it's something that the Bird Gang, at least I do

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00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: personally like to hear it because it does offer a

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00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: different perspective. And sometimes they will lend your eyes to

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00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: something else, whether you're watching practice or a game. And

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00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 1: that's the beauty of doing the Red Sea Report with

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00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,959
Speaker 1: Bertram Berry and I enjoy I enjoyed doing the show

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00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: with him when we were at Bonneville because you know,

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00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: I see something, but you know, guy's been in the trenches.

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Speaker 1: He knows a lot more than me, so they bring

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00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: a lot more to the table. Not many people can

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Speaker 1: say they have more knowledge of football than you, MJ.

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Speaker 1: But I get what you're saying. I mean, you don't

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Speaker 1: have the on field, in the trenches knowledge more of

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Speaker 1: Its just a passion covering the NFL. All right, let's

817
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: finish with this. We have not heard from Kyler Murray

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00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: since Super Bowl Week. There was that appearance on the

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00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: NFL Network ahead of the draft, but he's I think

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00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: he's largely remained silent with I don't think is a

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Speaker 1: big deal. Others perhaps want to see and know what

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Speaker 1: the starting quarterback is doing in the offseason. Well, we

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Speaker 1: have an updates Kyler posted a video on his Instagram

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Speaker 1: account of him throwing a pass to Aj Green. Again,

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Speaker 1: I don't see a need or I don't need to

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Speaker 1: see players working out to know they're working out, but

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Speaker 1: I did appreciate that short clip, and it's one of

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Speaker 1: those things where you know Aj Green's you know, he's

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Speaker 1: a new guy. I'm sure you know the offensive Zach Taylor.

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00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: Rand's kind of similar to Sean McVay, maybe a little

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Speaker 1: bit of hybrid of Kyle Shanahan and then Cliff Kingsbury.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, it's the more work they get

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00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: in that they couldn't do that last year, and then

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Speaker 1: you know, a handful of guys went up there for

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Speaker 1: three days, but you know, you've got to do it

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00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: more than that. And the fact that hopefully they'll have

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Speaker 1: ten OTA's and they'll have a mandatory mini camp veterans

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00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: and the entire team, and that's where you put the

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Speaker 1: work in and then hopefully those you know, because really

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00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: they'll be off from the middle of June or maybe

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Speaker 1: the third week in June until probably the end of July,

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00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: and you got to think maybe a couple of weeks

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00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: before the training camp starts, maybe they got out there

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Speaker 1: and get some working all the receivers Hopkins, you know

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00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: the new guys obviously any Isabella Christian Kirk. So yeah,

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00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: it's it's listen. I don't need to see videos. But

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Speaker 1: I like the fact that they did have a corner

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Speaker 1: on AJ Green. It was in Texas, so he clearly

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Speaker 1: wants to go on the same page with the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And I'm never going to begrug you guy for that. Well,

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Speaker 1: if you're smart as far as a wide receiver, or

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00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: if you're how you play or how successful you are

853
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: as predicated on someone else, in this case, someone throwing

854
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 1: you the football, yeah you want to be on page

855
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: one right away. But go back to what AJ Green

856
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: said in March when he signed with the Cardinals as

857
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: a free agent, said he likes how Kyler Murray was

858
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 1: able to create with the football. Mean he's watched from AFAR.

859
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: I mean there's no interaction between Cardinals and Bengals. So

860
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: you're watching tape, you're watching highlights. But there was this conversation,

861
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: remember when he spoke about Marvin Lewis his coach was

862
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: Cincinnati now at ASU quote talking about Kyle Murray. This

863
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: was Marvin Lewis quote. He can sling it. AJ You're

864
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: going to be very happy end quotes. And I think

865
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: that does mean a lot coming from Marvin Lewis, who

866
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: again a lot of aullience at the NFL level now

867
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: doing his thing on the college front. But you know,

868
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: you're looking for information and AJ Green at that time

869
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: was looking to figure out where he might fit best

870
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 1: and he felt that that was with the Arizona Cardinals.

871
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: And I definitely think, you know, he's hitting the reset

872
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: button like JJ about is. You know, Rodney Hudson obviously

873
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 1: probably didn't like the way things were handles, but he's

874
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: he's happy to be here. Yeah, I mean it's it's

875
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: a situation where I think, you know, AJ Green is

876
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 1: being overshadow now by Ron del Moore AJ Green when

877
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: we look at it, Yes, I mean he's not the

878
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: same guy, but I still think he can run routes.

879
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: He's he could be your outside receiver, have somebody in

880
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 1: the slot or whether it's Kirk or Ron del Moore,

881
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: and then have hop on the outside moving around. He's

882
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 1: good on the comeback routes. He's good on the fifty

883
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: fifty balls. So I mean, I don't know if he's

884
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: gonna catch forty passes, forty five passes. But you know

885
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: he's I mean, I get you know, even Isaiah Simmons,

886
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: we're not talking about him as much as Moore, as

887
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: Avien Collins, just because now we're so raw where they

888
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: were drafted. But I think if I had to pick

889
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: a sleeper, a guy that maybe we'll put up more

890
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,919
Speaker 1: numbers than we think, I may go with AJ Green.

891
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: It's funny because as you were talking, you're absolutely right.

892
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 1: We talk about in the moments, and in the moment

893
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: right now, it's the draft picks, Avon Collins, Rondel Moore.

894
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: Back in March, it was all about free agency and

895
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: what they can do when we were very high on

896
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: AJ Green, and all of a sudden he's kind of

897
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 1: taking a back seat. But to your point about being

898
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: a quote unquote sleeper, you know, that's a seven time

899
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: Pro bowler, three times second team All Pro. But I

900
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: do think he might be in the shadow, if you will,

901
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: for the first time in his career, and I think

902
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: he might relish that not be the focal points. Yes,

903
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: everyone loves the spotlight and to get their numbers, but

904
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: I think opposing defenses are going to look at DeAndre

905
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: Hopkins first, maybe even second, and maybe even third before

906
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: they get two and AJ Green, Christian Kirk, Rondel Moore

907
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: and the rest of the wide receivers. And that's no

908
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: slide on AJ Green, it's just how good Hopkins is

909
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: to make sure you take away the strength of the

910
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 1: Cardinals offense within the wide receiver room, and that strength

911
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 1: is de hop Yeah, and depending on who's in the slot,

912
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: sometimes that could be the number two corner. So he

913
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: made draw the third corner. And all those numbers you

914
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 1: rattled off, that was like two or three years ago.

915
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: So that's why he used the word sleeper. I mean,

916
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,720
Speaker 1: he's a household name. You know, you're right, he's always

917
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: been the guy. He was drafted fourth overall of that year,

918
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: Patrick went fifth to the Cardinals. But here, I mean

919
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: not that he's going to take a second role to anybody.

920
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: But it's obvious that Hopkins is your number one target.

921
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: But I just think, you know, if the teams are

922
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: going to say, oh, he's not the same guy, he

923
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: doesn't run the same routes, I think they're making a mistake.

924
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: Well a lot of it with him, and this goes

925
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: with a lot of players stay healthy and aj Green

926
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: over the last five seasons has missed twenty nine total games.

927
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 1: And that is what people are always going to point to. Yeah,

928
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: he's great, but he did this, but he can do

929
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: this if so, that's going to be the little asterisk

930
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: that people are going to point to when talking about

931
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: the offense with AJ Green at your other outside receiver spot.

932
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: The only thing I'll say, though White played all sixteen

933
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: games last year. AJ Green played all sixteen games, and

934
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: he went through three different quarterbacks. Yes, the frustration was

935
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: there late in the year because he didn't you know,

936
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 1: I mean, Joe Burrow looked like he passed the eye test.

937
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 1: You know, they had issues with the offensive line, which

938
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: led to Borrow suffering ACL and you know, they had

939
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: Taj Boyd. I think that Joe Mixon's a good running back,

940
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: but clearly teams were just saying we're gonna bracket him,

941
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: We're not going to let him get the ball. And

942
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: then he got frustrated with three different quarterbacks from Brandon

943
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: Allen to or Ryan Finley. So I just feel like

944
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: him and JJ Watt, they're just hitting the reset button

945
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: on their career. And the fact that they're going to

946
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: practice on grassplay at least eight nine games on you

947
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: natural grass that practice in the bubble, they'll be outside,

948
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: So that's going to be good for the body when

949
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: they wake up during the season at six or seven

950
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: in the morning and they feel like, you know, I

951
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: don't have to shovel snow or start my car twenty

952
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: minutes before I want to leave. And I know we

953
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: talk about, you know, seeing Kyle the Murray working out.

954
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: I do think it's also good for us to see

955
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: aj Green, even at the age of thirty two, close

956
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: to be thirty three, that you know, he could take

957
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: not time off or you know, ease into the regular season,

958
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: but he's put it in the work as one. I

959
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: think that's encouraging as well. To see again, I don't

960
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: need to see it, but if it's out there, that's great.

961
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: But these guys, all these players are working hard. You

962
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 1: have to work hard in the off season. You can't

963
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: just show up at training camp day one and work

964
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: your way into shape. Those days are gone. You have

965
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: to be in shape the start of training camp a

966
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: lot of the times and then work your way into

967
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: game shape week one. Yeah, Kyler is always I mean

968
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: last year we noticed his arms will look like Popeye.

969
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: He's always had really thick thighs his lower extremities. Obviously,

970
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: he's able to push the ball down the field. He's

971
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: able to stop on a dine and change directions. So

972
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: I've never questioned that it's just more getting with the

973
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: receivers and then diving into the playbook and trying to

974
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: figure out you know, watch watch the defenses you're gonna

975
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: play this year. Maybe you take the first four watch

976
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: them and be able to see what they're doing. Obviously,

977
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, if they've got new players and new coordinators,

978
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit different. But being able to

979
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: read defenses and I'm okay with it if he wants

980
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 1: to throw a hop, but you got to go through

981
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: your progressions, and with a guy like Rondel Moore, he

982
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: could be your quick checkdown. You know you're in your

983
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 1: flat like one progression, look over the middle of the field,

984
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: third third option boom. So again he works out and

985
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: because I think he realizes the rigorous of playing all

986
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: sixteen games. You have to put the work in the

987
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: off season. You can't do it in the season. He

988
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: lives during the season. But I can't assume it is

989
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: like what he's doing right now, anxious to see how

990
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: it all looks and plays out on the field. And

991
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994
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Speaker 1: If you run into the general manager before I do,

995
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: just let them know that you know, I'm not taking

996
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: it personally. Just you know, I might be a little

997
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: scared of time around the facility these days. It's just

998
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just wanted to know he said,

999
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: put that on camera and who was he pointing to,

1000
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: because there's only certain amount of guys that can be

1001
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 1: in there, and maybe he was looking at the media

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Speaker 1: saying take that. On that note, we will put a

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