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Speaker 1: Danielle were you were you practicing your signature?

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Speaker 2: Like to see that I do that while we're doing

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Speaker 2: the podcast. I just write my name over and over again.

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Speaker 1: I just love it. It's like she still has a

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Speaker 1: crush on Jensen. She's practicing.

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Speaker 2: Practice.

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Speaker 3: She wrote a little hard.

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Speaker 4: I just think I've ever seen I think, not read

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Speaker 4: Lance Bass or Taylor Thomas or any of the others.

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Speaker 2: At least I love my husband.

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Speaker 1: No official Bass.

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Speaker 2: Whoa, Oh my gosh, that's hilarious. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well, remember when we got to whatever convention that was

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Speaker 5: I have a new signature. I'm gonna I'm gonna really

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Speaker 5: take my time. That lasted four signatures before. I was like, no,

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Speaker 5: I just have a thing now that where I don't

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Speaker 5: even really have control over what comes out of me

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Speaker 5: with my signature anymore. It's just like the pen touches

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Speaker 5: the paper and my hand does the same moves over

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Speaker 5: and over again. And even if I wanted, like, for example,

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Speaker 5: I have wanted to stop doing that exclamation point, happy

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Speaker 5: my name, I've done it ever since I ever started

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Speaker 5: signing autographs when I was like eleven or twelve years old,

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Speaker 5: and I want to stop.

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Speaker 2: It and I can't.

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Speaker 6: You know, you can't, You just can Yeah, I can't.

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Speaker 6: Can just stop. After the I.

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Speaker 5: Sign my name and it just happens automatically, and I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 7: Not do that.

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Speaker 7: By the end of the con, you can't even tell

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Speaker 7: what my name is, like it just says like best wishes,

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Speaker 7: Wendell Freeman.

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Speaker 2: Super fil freed Ale.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you just can't. You can't tell anymore. It's just

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Speaker 4: And my parents we we we were with my parents

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Speaker 4: And my parents have this crazy thing that I don't

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Speaker 4: It's like a set of mirrors, so you're looking through

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Speaker 4: it completely inverts the world right. It makes you like,

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Speaker 4: it drives you crazy, and what you try and do

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Speaker 1: It's so confusing, Oh is sign my name?

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Speaker 4: It was like I couldn't write like because you try

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Speaker 4: I'm just gonna close my eyes and sign my name

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Speaker 4: and I could do it perfectly.

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Speaker 1: So it's like, wow, yeah, it's just automatic. You've got

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Speaker 6: Just thinking about that made me nauseous.

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Speaker 2: You've got to ask your parents where they got that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the coolest thing.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Indy put it on, could not take it

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Speaker 2: Oh that's cool. Welcome to pod meets World. I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm.

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Speaker 6: Rider Strong, and I'm Wilfredell.

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Speaker 5: So when you film a seven seasons of a TV show,

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Speaker 5: episodes start to blend together a bit, as you may

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Speaker 5: have already heard on an almost weekly basis with this podcast,

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Speaker 5: and now thirty years later, we have forgotten a lot

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Speaker 5: of things. But recently, Will and Ryder bumped into this

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Speaker 5: week's guest at a convention in Albuquerque, and they couldn't

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Speaker 5: be happier to remember the sweetness that is Natanya Ross.

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Speaker 5: She appeared in just one episode of Boy Meets World

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Speaker 5: as ingrid iverson the girl, Corey and Sean decide to

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Speaker 2: Thanks.

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Speaker 6: Thanks, guys.

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Speaker 5: I was hoping you guys were going to notice, and

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Speaker 5: in turn, she left quite an impression on the legacy

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Speaker 5: So now all three of us are thrilled to be

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Speaker 5: reunited with Natanya to talk not only about her guest

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Speaker 5: a pool, but also we will chat about her life

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Speaker 5: since we work together, and what she's overcome to be

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Speaker 5: here today. Let's please welcome to the show. Natanya Ross.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Hi, Hi, how is everyone?

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Speaker 2: We're good how are you.

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Speaker 8: I'm good, I'm good.

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Speaker 5: We were just discussing right before you came in. How

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Speaker 8: Yes, I did.

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Speaker 1: It was us in the Sandloch Crew Hanger.

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Speaker 6: It was nothing else and the Mighty Ducks and the

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Speaker 8: We had Jean and Marty and there was nothing else

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Speaker 6: Pretty much, it's pretty accurate.

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Speaker 8: Booked to do another one in the same place. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I mean, the question really is how fast can you

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Speaker 6: spell Albuquerque?

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Speaker 3: Not fast at all?

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Speaker 1: You practiced that just to be able to do that

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Speaker 1: pretty much. Party.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a party track, it is.

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Speaker 6: It absolutely is.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So let's start with our most basic question we

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Speaker 5: like to ask everybody, which is when did you get

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Speaker 8: Six months old?

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Speaker 6: No, really, that might be our youngest ever.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't remember much.

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Speaker 8: My mom was just like very determined to make me

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Speaker 8: Little Monsters.

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Speaker 5: I yes, so you were in Little Monsters, which starred

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Speaker 1: Yeah, six years of investment if paid off.

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you.

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Speaker 2: So, what are your like? Those are some pretty big

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Speaker 5: And so when you then made it to boy Meet's World,

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Speaker 8: was nervous. I was like, I don't remember talking much

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Speaker 8: most for sure, but never about little monsters.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 8: Even later on when we were I don't even think

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Speaker 3: I don't think I've.

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Speaker 6: Never we've never seen little Monsters.

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Speaker 7: But I have a question if anybody knows, is it

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Speaker 4: I think yeah, it's like a monster under the bed

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Speaker 6: Okay, all right, it's.

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Speaker 8: Like a main monster too.

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Speaker 3: Howie Mandel is like, okay, gin monster. I should probably

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Speaker 3: watched it too.

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Speaker 2: We should watch it.

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Speaker 7: We should watch it of little monsters.

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Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, Well you were also I mean, you

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Speaker 5: Okay, So before we get into Boy Meets World, there

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure this this movie is ever gonna leave

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Speaker 2: So I need all the details.

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Speaker 5: Munchie Strikes Back, the sequel to Munchie and that movie,

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Speaker 6: Oh, my father, how have I never seen that?

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Speaker 5: I love his card again and I need to know

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Speaker 5: every detail about this movie.

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Speaker 8: Oh my god, God bless the nineties exactly.

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Speaker 8: It was like this weird little Roger Korman movie. I

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Speaker 5: And what was it like with that? Was that puppet

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Speaker 8: The puppet was on set, I didn't have any scenes

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Speaker 6: Yeah. I love how Danielle was just assuming it's a puppet.

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Speaker 6: Just yeah, seriously, he instantly just judged that young actor.

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Speaker 6: Very nice, Danielle.

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Speaker 8: To say, with all the interviews I do, I've never

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: That's that's our special time.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, not every podcast kind of hits the level we.

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Speaker 1: Entirely forgetable nineteen ninety three.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I want to work with a puppet like that?

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Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? That's the puppet is amazing. And

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Speaker 3: Okay, card a good look.

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Speaker 5: So there's one thing you learned from this interview, let

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Speaker 8: So I had audition for Boy Meets World a plethora

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Speaker 7: Like everybody that's the story that seems to be the story.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and this one was like really last minute too.

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Speaker 2: Of course that happening on.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and what's crazy to me is the entire episode

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Speaker 8: I mean, it's NonStop about this specific episode.

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Speaker 3: Whatever that was the worst.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and the glasses and the pigtails that I was like,

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Speaker 8: then when the makeover happens, I was like, am I

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Speaker 2: I will say, Yeah, we recently rewatched it as well,

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Speaker 5: You're you know, sort of thrown into the situation where

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Speaker 1: That's the best moment of the episode.

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Speaker 4: I think it's like when you grab ben by the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and then it all kind of plateaus when you

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Speaker 5: So I say all of that, like, what looking back

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Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know if it like ages all

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Speaker 8: But yeah, I mean, but it also brought back, like

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Speaker 2: So well, do people still recognize you as Ingrid? Do

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Speaker 8: All the time all the time. It's crazy, Like even

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Speaker 8: when I do conventions and there's always a Boymans World

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Speaker 4: I think it's a great character. It's like I feel like,

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Speaker 1: Like we've you know, I've only watched the show.

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Speaker 4: to show this range. I'm fascinated by what you were saying, Like,

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Speaker 4: you know, it's it's so sad that I mean, it

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Speaker 4: then like the whole idea is they understand what your

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00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 4: zero is, what you naturally present as, and then work

450
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,640
Speaker 4: for that or against that based on the character you're playing.

451
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:37,880
Speaker 1: Whatever. But when you're a.

452
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:43,680
Speaker 4: Kid, like your zero is very hard to object to objectively,

453
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 4: like remove yourself from, you know, like I, as an adult,

454
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 4: you can say like, oh, yeah, I probably I have

455
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 4: a resting bitch face or whatever it is, and I

456
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 4: can work against that and you can just move beyond it.

457
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 4: But when you're a kid, that's your entire identity.

458
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 1: And I definitely felt that too.

459
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,159
Speaker 4: Like as a kid, whatever it is, whatever parts you

460
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 4: get start to reflect how you feel about yourself, and

461
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 4: it's hard to like turn that off or I don't know,

462
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 4: but yeah, I often wondered if it was if it

463
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:10,360
Speaker 4: was different with child.

464
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 7: Actors out on the West Coast than it was on

465
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 7: the East Coast, because when I moved out here at sixteen,

466
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 7: even when I started Boy Mets World, you know, you're

467
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 7: still auditioning for the things you're auditioning for films or

468
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,199
Speaker 7: whatever kind of in between.

469
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 6: And the thing I noticed about LA.

470
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 7: Was that it was always like, oh, man, you were

471
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 7: so great, thank you for coming in.

472
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 6: It was so nice to see you here.

473
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,199
Speaker 7: And you walk out like, wow, I did well in

474
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 7: New York. It was like, no, you're too fat. Sorry, yeah,

475
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 7: so you just you Just by the time I was eleven,

476
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 7: I would walk in and they go, we ask for

477
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 7: a redhead who brought this kid?

478
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,679
Speaker 6: No, thank you very much. And I get back on

479
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 6: the bus and I go home and it.

480
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 7: Sounds harsh, but it made my skin so thick that

481
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 7: I just it just wasn't about me, Like I was

482
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 7: able to completely dissect myself from the fact that they

483
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,640
Speaker 7: were looking for something else, and at least they told

484
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,640
Speaker 7: me that to my face, even at eleven or twelve,

485
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,719
Speaker 7: as opposed to what I would get when I came

486
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:01,439
Speaker 7: out here in LA.

487
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 6: Was like, oh my god, you're so good. It was

488
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 6: so great to have you here.

489
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 7: And then they'd never call you because they didn't like

490
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 7: you from the second you walked in. And so I wondered,

491
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 7: you know, I wonder mentally, which one is actually makes

492
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 7: you a stronger person and a stronger actor. Is somebody

493
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 7: just kind of saying to you, no, not gonna do

494
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 7: a kid, You're not what we're looking for. Or yeah,

495
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 7: oh my god, it's so great, you're awesome, and then

496
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 7: just not calling.

497
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 4: So I think it depends on the kid, right I mean,

498
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 4: I would guess, but you have to adapt either way.

499
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 4: Either way, being a kid in that situation is difficult,

500
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 4: right like handling that rejection or the acceptance of only

501
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 4: one version of you, right like that that you don't

502
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 4: have the flexibility to be like, oh I can I

503
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 4: can be whoever I want as I grow up, you know,

504
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 4: But you know, and I mean, I think.

505
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: All of us in this group were actually pretty lucky.

506
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 4: You know, there are other kids who were like extremely

507
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,199
Speaker 4: overweight or very short. You know, they had like a

508
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 4: different look that only was acceptable as a certain type

509
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 4: of character, right, and that's all they could play for

510
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 4: their entire you know, and that has got to wear

511
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 4: down on you in a way.

512
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 5: Natanya, what do you remember the things you were getting

513
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 5: cast for. What do you remember that telling you about

514
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 5: yourself and who you are? And like do you remember

515
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 5: being like, oh, I guess I'm this, I guess I'm

516
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 5: that because this is what everyone sees me as.

517
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 8: Yes, I did, I very much do so, Like after Munchies.

518
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love you know, I.

519
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 3: Was doing like little episode.

520
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 8: I was doing step by step and just like all

521
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 8: these little guest parks always kind of as like the

522
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 8: Nerdy Friend or whatever. And then I did like the

523
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 8: middle version of Freaky Friday again the Nerdy Friend, and

524
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 8: like just remembering being on set in the like glasses

525
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 8: and the pigtails and like they just love to put

526
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 8: me in pigtails for whatever reason.

527
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 3: And that was an interesting one too.

528
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 8: I think that's when I really started to like like

529
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 8: pay attention to it. Because we had Andrew Keegan in

530
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 8: the movie. We had Marlowe all of these people that

531
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 8: were so cool, and I was like, wow, I am

532
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 8: not that I'm not that cool. And then I got

533
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 8: Alex Mack and.

534
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 2: With Larissa o'linik, another one of our favorites.

535
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 3: Yes, and uh.

536
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 8: So Alex Mack was like an arduous process for me.

537
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 8: I had gone up for the sister you know quite

538
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 8: a few times and took it all the way to test.

539
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 8: Same with with Alex the part for Alex. Then they

540
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 8: shot the pilot, recast the entire thing brought me back

541
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 8: saying Sister Alex didn't get it, got the call from

542
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 8: my agent. They wrote apart just for you. All you

543
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 8: have to do is go down there. I get down

544
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 8: there to this same casting office that I had been

545
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 8: to like ten million times, and I was over it.

546
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 3: At this point. I was like, give it to me

547
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 3: or not, but I'm.

548
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 8: Not coming back after this and uh fifty girls there

549
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 8: of course, but this one I ended up getting. But

550
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 8: I remember the first episode I filmed, like instantly, you know,

551
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 8: put me in this kind of weird like like hurt.

552
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 8: The trajectory of her character and the growth of her

553
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 8: character ended up being really cool, like something that I

554
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 8: really leaned into towards the end of the last couple

555
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 8: of seasons. But at first, you know, I was this

556
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 8: eleven year old kid and I hadn't.

557
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 3: Really had puberty yet.

558
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 8: I had very very pale skin, bright orange hair, which

559
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 8: you know, that's tough. That's like a tough one growing

560
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 8: up like that. And I said this on another podcast too,

561
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 8: when you're eleven years old with bright orange hair, pale skin.

562
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 8: Just booked this series that we don't know if it's

563
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 8: gonna make it or not, but it has the potential.

564
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 8: You don't know that you're just like a few years

565
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 8: away from like it's gonna be okay, You're gonna be pretty,

566
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 8: gonna be cool, everything's gonna be fine, but you just

567
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 8: don't know. And the character was so weird.

568
00:26:58,560 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 3: She was so like.

569
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 8: I've said, she's like the og original alt emo goth

570
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 8: girl of Nickelodeon. Yeah, and this character there wasn't representation

571
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 8: of these kind of kids that dressed like this and

572
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 8: felt like this, and and so again it was one

573
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 8: more time where I was like, well, no, I've accomplished

574
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 8: what I wanted to accomplish. I booked a series and

575
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 8: I'm in. I'm like part of the main cast. I'm

576
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 8: a series regular and this could really go and I'm

577
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 8: this weird kid again, you know. And so but I

578
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,719
Speaker 8: had pops throughout where, like I was booking these roles

579
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 8: that weren't like that, like boy, me girl, babysitters club,

580
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 8: like all of these different things that got me out

581
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 8: of it a little bit. But even second season of

582
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 8: Alex Mack, I would like run to my dressing room

583
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 8: and put on like a little extra eyeliner or a

584
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 8: little extra clipline something to like, you know, make myself

585
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 8: feel a little bit better.

586
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 3: So yeah, I definitely remember that.

587
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 8: I mean I was I was type cast for sure,

588
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 8: bad girl, nerdy girl, weird girl, golf girl.

589
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: Right, anything but the main girl, right like that.

590
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 8: But the main girl except for this really weird movie

591
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 8: I did in Canada with Chauncey lea party where I

592
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,719
Speaker 8: played his girl. Yeah, and I was like I think

593
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 8: I was fifteen or sixteen, and so there, you know,

594
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 8: there was pops of it. There was pops of it.

595
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: Well, don't forget Munchie where you were Munchy's girlfriend.

596
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 8: No, and there's Munkey strikes back right.

597
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 6: Right, she too?

598
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 7: Exactly too, Yeah, I mean the ponytail, the pigtail glasses

599
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 7: thing was such a ninety stroke.

600
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it was such a way. She can't be pretty,

601
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 6: she's got glasses. Like a minute, she has.

602
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 7: A pony rail. She can't be pretty, and it is

603
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 7: just such a thing. Yeah, it was such a thing

604
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 7: where it was like it.

605
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 8: Always had me like that until I forced them into

606
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 8: different hairstyles like second season, where I started to like

607
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 8: have more of a voice and kind of like advocate

608
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 8: for myself a little bit more and be like, look, why.

609
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 3: Is she'd always come on take them out, like we

610
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 3: can do we.

611
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 8: Can do better here, you know. And they started to

612
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 8: listen to me and kind of let me aesthetically lean

613
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 8: into this character in a way that felt a little

614
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 8: bit more comfortable. I mean, there were still the nineties

615
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 8: chokers and out in the very nineties goth outfits and

616
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 8: all of that, but the hair got a little better,

617
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 8: like she's an infourd season. I just showed up one

618
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 8: day to set cut it all off.

619
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: And I was like now what, yeah, now, what are

620
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 2: you going to do?

621
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 8: I was so rebellious towards the end of it because

622
00:29:38,640 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 8: I'd been put in this box for so long, but yeah.

623
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 5: Well you have been so open and inspirational talking about

624
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 5: the struggles you faced in your teens and then it

625
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 5: really finding its hold in your early twenties with substance abuse.

626
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 5: It's obviously something very common with young actors who find

627
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 5: early success, and we were hoping that you could share

628
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 5: some of that aspect of your story. When did drugs

629
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 5: and alcohol enter your life?

630
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,719
Speaker 8: So I I was probably like fifteen sixteen years old

631
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 8: when I started drinking and just you know, smoking weed

632
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 8: and doing like the things that we do as kids,

633
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 8: and you know, at these oak Wood parties.

634
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 3: I know you guys will understand them.

635
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 8: Reference every weekend, like the second I was done working,

636
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 8: I would just jam over there and like party all weekend.

637
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 8: But it was so innocent and young, you know, and

638
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 8: felt very like experimental and it wasn't a big deal.

639
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 8: But you know, when it started to get really rough

640
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 8: for me was around eighteen nineteen years old, and one

641
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 8: of the best like pieces of advice I could ever

642
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 8: give is like, really be careful who you surround yourself with,

643
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 8: you know. And I kind of fell into a little

644
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 8: bit of a rougher crowd, but all actors, so it

645
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 8: felt safe. But it was like the next level of

646
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 8: stuff that like was not going on at Oakwood, And

647
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 8: you know, I didn't come from a home life that

648
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 8: had any structure. There was a lot of chaos and

649
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 8: alcoholism that in the home, and for me, being an

650
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 8: actor was kind of like the first chapter of my

651
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 8: life where I was able to like go somewhere and

652
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 8: become somebody else, right, right, So, like everything that was

653
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 8: going on at home, like when I was on set,

654
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 8: that was my safe place. That's like all I had

655
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 8: for safety. So as I started getting seventeen eighteen years old,

656
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 8: and I started to look a little bit different, and

657
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 8: no one could really figure out what box to put

658
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,479
Speaker 8: me in anymore. And I was getting these kind of

659
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 8: like one off things like Baywatch and nine O two

660
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 8: and zero and like all of these things. But I

661
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 8: was growing into more and more a different look, and

662
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 8: I cut all my hair off and dyed it like jet.

663
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 3: Black and just rebellious, you know.

664
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 8: And at a certain point people were like, we're not

665
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 8: really sure what to do. Like the red hair was

666
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 8: the thing, and the less parts I got, the more,

667
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 8: you know, I internalized that and was really with the

668
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 8: wrong group of people. And yeah, I developed a gnarly

669
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 8: little heroin addiction, which is you know, which is really crazy,

670
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 8: Like when I think about how all of that went

671
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 8: down and like how fast it happened, And now as

672
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 8: an adult understanding the disease of alcoholism and that it

673
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 8: was inevitable for me, and it could have been any

674
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 8: substance really, and this just happened to be the one

675
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 8: that was introduced to me at a very young age.

676
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 8: Which again it's like, be careful who you surround yourself with,

677
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 8: but know that at seventeen, like we don't know that

678
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 8: at eighteen, when I'm just this young kid, I have

679
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 8: all this money, I'm like kind of famous, hanging out

680
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 8: with all these famous people, and someone's like, here, do

681
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 8: you want to try this? And instantly it takes away

682
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 8: like every feeling of self doubt you've ever had in

683
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 8: your entire life. And it instantly takes away all the

684
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 8: pain of like coming from a very from very tortured

685
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 8: parents themselves, and it instantly takes away all of these things.

686
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 8: And it didn't matter anymore if I had had pigtails

687
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 8: in Alex Mack, or if I had you know, glasses

688
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 8: and boy Meets World or none of that mattered anymore.

689
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 3: And yeah, so that was rough.

690
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 8: So I spent all of my twenties, you know, suffering

691
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 8: with active addiction, and then figured it out in my thirties,

692
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 8: and god bless was able to turn around. And I

693
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 8: know it's like a very cliche child star story. Mom

694
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 8: steals all the money at eighteen, girl gets strung out

695
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 8: on heroin blah blah blah blah blah. But also I

696
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 8: think that what's not talked about enough too is that

697
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 8: some people do go through that and then make it out.

698
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 8: Yeah really, you know that to me is like, because

699
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 8: people are fascinated by this story of a young child

700
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 8: star that had all this recognition and then is strung

701
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 8: out on like what you know, we would deem as

702
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 8: one of the worst things ever to get involved with,

703
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 8: right and and but what's not talked about more often

704
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 8: is that some people make.

705
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 3: It out of that.

706
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 8: And I'm trying to advocate for those people too, because

707
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 8: a lot of kids that get fed up like that

708
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 8: because of you know, whatever it is. I don't want

709
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 8: to blame it on child acting because I don't know

710
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 8: that that's really, uh the cause by any means, but

711
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 8: you know, so, yeah, so when I turned thirty, and

712
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 8: believe me, I had many bouts in my twenties of

713
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 8: trying to get clean and going to rehab and like

714
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 8: trying to figure it out. And at thirty, I just

715
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 8: I kind of hit like a different kind of spiritual

716
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 8: bottom that I'd never hit before and really understood that

717
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 8: if I didn't get this now, that I wasn't gonna

718
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 8: make it.

719
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 3: Like I knew that.

720
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:12,479
Speaker 8: So, yeah, now I'm forty one. Wow, And I spent

721
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 8: the last decade of my life like figuring out who

722
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 8: I was and like more importantly than that, being okay

723
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 8: with who that girl was. Because I haven't acted in

724
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 8: a long time. I just started acting again and I

725
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 8: had to like be okay that my identity wasn't about

726
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 8: being famous anymore or this or that and that, and

727
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 8: that I had to let I had to learn how

728
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 8: to trust people that they really liked me for who

729
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 8: I was, and you know, and I finally figured out

730
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 8: kind of how to forgive the girl that was in

731
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 8: her twenties that was just doing the best that she could, yeah,

732
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 8: without having really had proper guidance or structure, and like

733
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 8: forgive that girl and tell her that it was okay,

734
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 8: so that this woman could keep going.

735
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 5: You know what, an inspirational story. I mean, you know,

736
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 5: we talk about it even on a very on a

737
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 5: such a minor, little superficial level, that none of us

738
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 5: have any real like style or fashion sense because from

739
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 5: the time we were young, we just handed that over

740
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 5: to somebody else and just said, Okay, you tell me

741
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 5: what to wear, and you tell me what's fashionable, you

742
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 5: tell me what's in.

743
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: And I'm listening to your story.

744
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 5: And what I'm realizing and thinking about is that for

745
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 5: child actors, you hand over so much of your identity

746
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 5: to other people.

747
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: You tell me who I am, you tell me what

748
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: box I check.

749
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 5: You tell me what because because the roles that I'm

750
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 5: booking must say something about who I am. And so

751
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 5: it's so that can be something that is depending on

752
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 5: which boxes people tell you you're checking. You know, you can't

753
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 5: expect an eleven year old to have a sense of

754
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 5: identity or a sense of self. You know, you haven't

755
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 5: had a check to develop that yet. And so for

756
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 5: you to have spent your all of your teens being

757
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 5: told who you were and to be feeling like I

758
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 5: reject some of that, but I don't know how to

759
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 5: process it and then to really you know, it makes

760
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 5: sense that for so many people you deal with it

761
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 5: by self medicating.

762
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 6: I think there's also something to chasing the rush.

763
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 7: You know, you're on stage one night in front of

764
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 7: an audience and you're popular and important and it matters,

765
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 7: and then the next day the show is canceled and

766
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 7: it's gone right, And for some people, they never get

767
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 7: that rush back, so they look for other places. You know,

768
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 7: It's that I always said that that being in front

769
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 7: of the audience was quote unquote like my drug.

770
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 6: You get this this.

771
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 7: Rush from being there, from the feeling of being important,

772
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 7: how fake it is, whether it's real or not, it's

773
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 7: really you, and all of a sudden, it's gone one

774
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 7: day and you do it.

775
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 6: You can to chase it for some people.

776
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 7: So it's I mean that being said, we also have

777
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 7: to acknowledge that there's you know, millions of people out

778
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 7: there that struggle with addiction that aren't in the entertainment industry.

779
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 7: I know, you know, my one of my oldest friends

780
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 7: I lost to heroin overdose six six years ago, and

781
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 7: it's hard to pull out of and you watch the

782
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 7: decline and it's just to see how well you're doing now.

783
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 6: I mean, I've seen the descent.

784
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 7: So to see somebody kind of pull out of it

785
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 7: and have the life that you do is really a

786
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 7: testament because you're right, there isn't enough said about the

787
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 7: people that can pull themselves out of it. But that

788
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 7: being said, that's a small percentage of people that do.

789
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 7: I mean, the recidivism rate for especially heroin addiction is brutal.

790
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 7: You're right, So that's a testament to you as well

791
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 7: to the strength you found to be able to pull

792
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 7: yourself out of that.

793
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 8: Thank you.

794
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 6: Yeah.

795
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 8: And I think that I, you know, probably started suffering

796
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 8: with mental health issues that were undiagnosed, unmedicated when I

797
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 8: was young, like really young. I always remember like waking

798
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 8: up feeling really heartbroken and I couldn't quite pinpoint like

799
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 8: what that meant when my life was so cool on

800
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 8: the outside to like, you know, I was like, well,

801
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 8: I just felt things so deeply, and I was just

802
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 8: continuously told like, you're an EmPATH, You're a deep child.

803
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 8: You feel the hard you know. And in the nineties,

804
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 8: we didn't talk about this kind of thing the way

805
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 8: we're able to talk about it now. And I actually

806
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 8: work in treatment now, which is such a one ad.

807
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 8: I mean, it's like if you would ask me at

808
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 8: twenty years old, if this is what my life would

809
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 8: look like. But you know, I'm a director in a

810
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 8: drug and alcohol treatment facility, so I helped getting people

811
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 8: you know, on a daily if not you know, every

812
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 8: other day basis, and so, like what Will was saying,

813
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 8: the rate of people that make it is very low,

814
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 8: is very very low, And so I guess it kind

815
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 8: of poses the question to those of us who have

816
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 8: been blessed and graced enough to like make it through

817
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 8: that type of a chapter in our lives, like how

818
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 8: do you maintain that?

819
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: Then?

820
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 8: Like how do you make sure? And I think for me,

821
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 8: the secret to the success of it. You know, a

822
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 8: lot of people obviously want to ask me, like, well,

823
00:39:58,440 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 8: how do you do it? Like how do I do it?

824
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 8: Like what should I do? And I think the best

825
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 8: thing that's worked for me because my whole life has

826
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 8: been spent thinking about me. All I do is think

827
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 8: about me, right, Like how did that make me feel?

828
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 8: Like how do I look?

829
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 6: Like?

830
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 3: What's going on with me? And what can my next move?

831
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 3: And all of that?

832
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 8: And the second I like let all of that go,

833
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 8: and I really understood the concept of the more I

834
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 8: think about you, the less I think about me, right,

835
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 8: everything changed, Everything changed for me, you know, And to

836
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 8: lead with a heart of service and to go out

837
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 8: into the world and be of service in whatever ways

838
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 8: you can be, and there's a million ways to do it.

839
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 8: Sometimes it's just picking up the phone when.

840
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 3: A friend needs your help.

841
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 8: Will like continue to sustain that type of like a

842
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 8: spiritual levity, so to speak, and like pay back kind

843
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 8: of the karma of like all the things I did

844
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 8: when I was in my twenties and so anyway, Yeah,

845
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 8: I listened to the episode you guys did with Danny,

846
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 8: and it really like I could get emotional thinking about

847
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 8: it because I really just understood, like I felt that

848
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 8: on a very deep level, and I thought that was

849
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 8: really brave, like how open he was about it. And

850
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 8: I think that the more open we can be and

851
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 8: the more conversations we can have like this, especially for

852
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 8: those of us who people have watched our whole lives, right, Like,

853
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 8: I still have fans that are like I've been you know,

854
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 8: I had your AOL.

855
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 3: What I mean, I'm like what you know?

856
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 7: And first of all, easy, I'm still AOL's careful what

857
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 7: we're gonna say.

858
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 8: Watching from like that long, you know, and so although

859
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 8: it has been made very very shameful thing, it's not.

860
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 3: It's really not like let's just talk about it, you know, well,

861
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 3: but he has something, you know.

862
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 7: That's why nothing, almost nothing helps more than talking about it.

863
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 7: Just talking about it, because you invariably find half of

864
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 7: the people you're talking to deal with something as well,

865
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 7: and there's just that safety and knowing you're not alone,

866
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 7: that's right, that's kind of can help to start the process. So, yeah,

867
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 7: any time you talk about it, is it better?

868
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 6: It really does does.

869
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, I want to just really briefly touch on the

870
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 5: fact because it's it's something a few of our guests

871
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 5: have mentioned, but we've never really dived too deeply into it.

872
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 5: What was the situation with your finances been at eighteen?

873
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 5: How you you you very casually mentioned that your mom

874
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 5: stole all your money?

875
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 2: How did what was that situation?

876
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 4: So this happens way more than We've had a lot

877
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 4: of guests on air but also off air talk about this.

878
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 7: We know so many actors, yeah, so many, it's it's

879
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 7: it is a common common story.

880
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 6: With child actors. Unfortunately, it's also that this.

881
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 8: Happens incredible that the parents figure out how to do

882
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 8: this also, but so we were from New York. We

883
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 8: moved out here to do that show Billy, and I

884
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 8: think my mom realized very quickly, like how much actors

885
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 8: get taxed when she heard how much I was going

886
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 8: to make per episode and then saw the checks and

887
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 8: she was like, what the hell. So she incorporated me

888
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 8: at like ten years old, So I became a ten

889
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 8: ninety nine as opposed to Natania Ross and all SAG

890
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 8: checks went to corporation named it Red Hair Blue Eyes.

891
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 8: Like I want to die inside every time I say

892
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 8: that out loud. So everything went to Red Hair Blue Eyes.

893
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 3: Wow.

894
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 5: Right, And it's not taxed, it's it goes basically, I

895
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 5: mean a little bit different.

896
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 8: It's corporate tax through a corporation, so it's it's a lot.

897
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 6: Better tax at the end of the year. It's a

898
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 6: whole different thing.

899
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, different thing.

900
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 8: And because of the minor I couldn't be an officer

901
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 8: of the company. So my mom was able to make

902
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 8: herself president, vice president, secretary.

903
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 3: This that herself the salary.

904
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 8: So until I turned about twenty, actually I was the

905
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 8: sole breadwinner of the family. So there's that aspect where

906
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 8: I'm paying all the bills, all of this, all of that,

907
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 8: and then like beyond right, like there's facelifts happening, and

908
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 8: there's nails getting done and there's all that kind of stuff.

909
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 8: But I'm not you know, I'm a kid, and I

910
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 8: think I'm like, I'm a multi multi multip I you

911
00:43:58,840 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 8: have no idea.

912
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 5: I used to I used to jokingly say, oh, I

913
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 5: know I make money, it's just somewhere else.

914
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 2: I never saw it exactly.

915
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 8: So then I turned eighteen, and I got everything that

916
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 8: was in the Cougan account because remember I started actually

917
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 8: six months old, so there was a decent amount there,

918
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 8: but there was a lot more.

919
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 6: And uh, it was very The Cougan account is twenty five?

920
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 3: Is it twenty five?

921
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 6: I thought, I think it's whatever it is.

922
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 2: Fifteen, yeah, fifteen, twenteen, fifteen.

923
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 5: I think at some point it became twenty five, but

924
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 5: originally fifteen.

925
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 8: But remember too, once I turned ten years old, nothing

926
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 8: else was taken for the Cougan account because I was

927
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 8: now now incorporated a boy, Alex, Matt, all the big ones.

928
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 8: That nothing went into the Cougan account. So I turn eighteen,

929
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 8: and now it becomes very easy to tell me, like, well,

930
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 8: I'm not giving you any money. You have a drug

931
00:44:55,560 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 8: problem very and then it's like, well, I need money

932
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 8: to like get help for this drug problem. And it's

933
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 8: like all right, I mean, I guess we could try

934
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 8: and move it. And then, you know, I went to

935
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 8: rehab and I was desperate. You know, I was a

936
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 8: young kid who was very aware that I had a

937
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 8: major issue already at like twenty two years old, and

938
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 8: it had just been a few years before that I

939
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 8: was acting, and I was working, working actor all the time,

940
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 8: never stopping, and so I was like, this is it.

941
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 8: I'm going to try and fix this right now so

942
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 8: i can get my life back. And you know, when

943
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 8: you're in a situation like that, you're very vulnerable and

944
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 8: people all of a sudden start to have power over you.

945
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,479
Speaker 8: And I was told that I could get the help

946
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 8: that I needed if I signed a power of attorney.

947
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 8: I did, you know, And while I was that rehab stint,

948
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 8: while I was in the house I had helped buy

949
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 8: for my mom, all of the stuff was no longer

950
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 8: no longer belonged to me. So throughout that decade, I'm

951
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 8: sure a lot of that goes into like why I

952
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 8: had to just keep numbing myself to the point of like.

953
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 3: Being able to think.

954
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 8: So yeah, I mean it was that was the situation.

955
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 8: And then, you know, years later, I'd be like, hey,

956
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 8: let me get that.

957
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 3: Money, and it's like, I don't want money.

958
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 8: I don't know what money. You're dying. You didn't make

959
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 8: as much as you thought, And it was just like

960
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 8: a series of gas lights that just got to the

961
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 8: point where, you know, even the residuals I would I

962
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 8: would go on this really weird downward spiral where I

963
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 8: would say, hey, can I get some of my residuals? Oh,

964
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 8: you haven't gotten any residuals. I would call SAG and

965
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 8: they'll list for you the last twenty you got with

966
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 8: the amounts, and I write everything down and take it back.

967
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 8: I don't know, and I just I couldn't take it anymore.

968
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 8: And when I got sober at thirty, like for real,

969
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,479
Speaker 8: for real, got sober at thirty, I had to make

970
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 8: the decision that if I held onto that for one

971
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 8: more second, it's like me drinking poison and expecting someone

972
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 8: else to die right right, And for what reason? If

973
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 8: she needed it that bad, she can have it, you know,

974
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 8: she can have it. It's crazy me and my now husband.

975
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 8: But when he was my boy friend, we moved into

976
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 8: this apartment and I think it was like the first

977
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 8: time I had done a change of address in forever,

978
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 8: like a real proper change of address, and all of

979
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 8: a sudden, all these residual checks start coming in. Boy

980
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 8: meets World being one of the best actually, and they

981
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 8: just started rolling in and I was like, well, look

982
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 8: at that, right, it's crazy. And but the lesson it

983
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 8: taught me to and it's probably made me very irresponsible

984
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 8: with money, to be honest, because I just don't care

985
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 8: about it because I just can't ever have it, like

986
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 8: be this thing in my life anymore where I'm so like,

987
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 8: oh my god, who's doing you know, I'm just like,

988
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 8: you want money, you can have it.

989
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go, let's go on this.

990
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 8: Vacation, like who cares, Let's just live and have fun

991
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 8: and not worry about money. So in that sense, I

992
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 8: think it's done. It's a little irresponsible of me at times,

993
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 8: for sure, but also, you know, it's taught me that

994
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 8: the value of what money actually means, and it means,

995
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 8: you know, fractured relationships. It's different for me than it

996
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 8: is for most people. But that, Yeah, that's my story.

997
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 8: It's really crazy to think about it, you know now

998
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 8: as an adult of like just how much young child

999
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 8: actors get taken advantage of and unfortunately some of us

1000
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 8: by our own family.

1001
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 5: Natania, I want you to know that that like hearing

1002
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 5: you talk about all of that and the way you know,

1003
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 5: I just want you to know that one of the

1004
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 5: things I'm taking away from your experience is that.

1005
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 2: Money comes and money.

1006
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 5: Goes, and it in your life has not at all

1007
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 5: represented success. You are such a success and you are

1008
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 5: so inspirational, and whether when the money has been there,

1009
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 5: when the money has not been there, it has had

1010
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 5: no bearing on you turning out to be the wonderful

1011
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 5: and amazing person that you are, and so that real

1012
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 5: like you can you can frame it however you want,

1013
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 5: but like I'm looking at it and I say, you

1014
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 5: don't have to have a choke hold on it, because

1015
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 5: ultimately it hasn't it hasn't been what you've had to

1016
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 5: base your life on. And I'm just I'm so proud

1017
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 5: of you, and I'm so inspired by you, and I'm

1018
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 5: so grateful that you came and shared your experiences here

1019
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 5: with us, and thank you also for all the work

1020
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 5: you do with other people who are in, you know,

1021
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 5: the same shoes you were in more than a decade ago,

1022
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 5: and for leading with that heart of service that you

1023
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 5: that you do and the impact that you make on people.

1024
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 5: Because no matter how many times people come up to

1025
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 5: you and remember you from Boy Meets World or Alex

1026
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 5: Mack or Munchie or whatever it is, MUNCHI too, Munchi too,

1027
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 5: the real, like your real impact is going to be

1028
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 5: with those people whose life you have absolutely changed. And

1029
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 5: just thank you so much for being here with us.

1030
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 3: Thank you. This was awesome, so fun.

1031
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 2: So much fun.

1032
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 5: I I'm bummed I wasn't in that Albuquerque. Uh I

1033
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 5: wasn't at that Albuquerque con, but I hope that Let's go.

1034
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: It was a genuinely good time. It was like it was.

1035
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: It was a pretty empty con, so we just all

1036
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: got to hang.

1037
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 6: Out hanging out.

1038
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 7: Yes, we're just all hanging out paper planes across the

1039
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 7: thing and each other.

1040
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: And the Sandlog guys are a crazy bunch.

1041
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 4: That was really like to witness their dynamic and like,

1042
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 4: I know, Natanya, you've been around them for a while

1043
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 4: because you know it's just like, oh, this is a

1044
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 4: fun it's a whole, it's a whole Seaton.

1045
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I want to be at the next one.

1046
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 5: So thank you again, Natanya. It was really wonderful talking

1047
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 5: to you and catching up and I hope to see

1048
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 5: you again soon me too.

1049
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 2: Than Bi. Wow, what a life, what a story.

1050
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 7: It's the thing that that amazes me is it would

1051
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 7: be so easy to be horribly bitter right right about

1052
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 7: everything you've been through. I like every oh, this business

1053
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 7: was horrible, my family was horrible, my addiction was horrible.

1054
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 6: And instead she turned it all around, is like no,

1055
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 6: I'm just gonna help other people.

1056
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 4: She's so and she's like, I mean when we saw

1057
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 4: her at the con, she just walked right up to

1058
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 4: us and gave us a big hug and has like

1059
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 4: nothing but positive and just wants to know about our

1060
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 4: life and she's so kind, and yeah, she's not bitter,

1061
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 4: she's not cynical, and she's not even against like it's

1062
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 4: so I mean, it's so impressive that she doesn't even

1063
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 4: blame the industry or child actor dumb now, you know,

1064
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 4: because that can basically be one source of like, well

1065
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 4: then everything's a problem, you know. I'm like no, She's like, no,

1066
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,919
Speaker 4: I still like could she wants to get back into acting.

1067
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 4: She's acting like and can talk about it so positively.

1068
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 4: It's like, that's that's really.

1069
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 7: Awesome, hugely inspirational. Yeah, it really is. It's just it's yeah,

1070
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 7: it's really incredible. It really is.

1071
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 6: But man, having your money stolen from your your your

1072
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 6: family is just a story we keep hearing over it.

1073
00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 6: I know.

1074
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think what I'm fortunately happens is

1075
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 4: like if a kid is talented, right, whether that be

1076
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 4: acting or sports or whatever, right that that that can

1077
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 4: become just an escape valve for a parent, you know,

1078
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 4: like I can make my entire life better by by

1079
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 4: this kid.

1080
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: And you know, like I remember too, like there's this pattern.

1081
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 4: And I you know, I'm not sure this is Natania's

1082
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 4: pattern at all, but there was also a pattern that

1083
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 4: I remember there was a lot of moms in particular,

1084
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 4: but parents, but moms in particular who basically were using.

1085
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: Their kid as a child actor to get a divorce.

1086
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 1: Like do you guys remember that.

1087
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 4: It would be like somebody who's like, oh, I've left,

1088
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 4: you know, they moved to LA from wherever they are

1089
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 4: to get away from their husband, and it was just

1090
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 4: like a way to sort of slowly, you know, break

1091
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 4: up with their partner. But it became like, oh, I'm

1092
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 4: I'm here to support my kid's career. But in reality

1093
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 4: it was like, well, you're going through your own stuff

1094
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 4: and your kid, your kids acting career is just an

1095
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 4: excuse for you to break away and like start your

1096
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 4: own life.

1097
00:52:58,280 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1098
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 4: I hope that that happens less because I remember that

1099
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 4: was like at the oak Wood there would be all

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Speaker 4: these moms.

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Speaker 1: You'd be like, what was last time you saw your husband?

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Speaker 8: Right?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's yeah, the whole it's so strange, it all.

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Speaker 7: It's all just kinds of We've talked about nature versus

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Speaker 7: nurture on this podcast a lot, and it all seems

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Speaker 7: to kind of come down to the home you grew

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Speaker 7: up in, just how you were raised, what you were

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Speaker 7: raised around, who you were raised by.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it makes a huge difference, it really does.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know, Well, I'm glad.

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Speaker 5: I'm glad I asked her about that, because, like I said,

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Speaker 5: we've had a few people like allude to it or

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Speaker 5: mention it, and then we've never really spent the time

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Speaker 5: actually talking about how that happens. Uh Man, isn't that

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Speaker 5: crazy too that just like the change of address, and

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Speaker 5: then all of a sudden the checks started coming to her.

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Speaker 6: Start rolling in. What you know, it's pretty incredible.

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