1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Facebook is facing a two hundred million dollar fine. The 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: e USE Antitrust Authority is suing Facebook, accusing it of 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: giving incorrect or misleading information to get approval for its 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: purchase of What's App, the internet messaging service. Facebook says 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 1: it has consistently provided accurate information about its technical capabilities 6 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: and plans. The social media giant has until January one 7 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: to respond to the e USE statement of objections. Approval 8 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: for the twenty two billion dollar deal is not in jeopardy. 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: Our guest is Thomas Graft, partner at Cleary Gottlieb in Brussels. Thomas, 10 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: what information is the EU alleging was incorrect or misleading? 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: So the issue is about the ability of combining the 12 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: accounts of What's Up users and Facebook uses and sharing 13 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: data between What's Up on Facebook. At the time of 14 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 1: the merchual uh, Facebook explained that such a kind of 15 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: combination would face technical technical difficulties and it couldn't reliably 16 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 1: do it on an automatic basis. So, Thomas, is are 17 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: the European regulators saying that they may revisit the combination 18 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: of What'sapp and Facebook. No, it doesn't look like that's 19 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: really an issue here because Even so, the Commission took 20 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: this question or that the information that Facebook provided into 21 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: account and sites it as one of the reasons why 22 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: there are no concerns. The Commission also identified other reasons 23 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: why there wouldn't be concerns even if Facebook and What'sapp 24 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: would combine their data, So there shouldn't be shouldn't be 25 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: any change in the substantive analysis of the transaction. The 26 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: question is really more a process issue whether Facebook correctly 27 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: responded to the missions questions and provided accrued information. So 28 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: what are the implications for future deals of Facebook in 29 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: Europe if the Commission finds against it? Where one possible 30 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: implication is that the Commission will look especially carefully at 31 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: information that that Facebook provides UM. It's clear that this 32 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: is a complex area UM where difficult technical questions are raised, 33 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: so we will have to see whether the concerns are 34 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: actually as It's perfectly possible that ultimately the Commission also 35 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: may find that there were no incorrect information. There was 36 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: a recent case that the Commission brought with along similar 37 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: lines with concerns about incorrect information. Ultimately the Commission concluded 38 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: that there was no issue. Well, Thomas, Facebook is apparently 39 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: saying now in two thousand and sixteen that it can 40 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: combine data with the share data with what's happened the 41 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,839 Speaker 1: way that it said previously it could not. Is there 42 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: do we know factually what's likely to be found about 43 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: what it could do in two thousand and fourteen, and 44 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: whether or not it was able to actually share the 45 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: data back then. So it's indeed, it's in the early 46 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: days to reach a conclusion. The Commission seems to say 47 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: that they at this stage of the investigation belief that 48 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: the Facebook incorrectly represented its abilities to combine what's up 49 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: on Facebook data even in two thousand fourteen. But it's 50 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: true that between two thousand fourteen and two thousand sixteen 51 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: some time past, so it may be also possible that 52 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: you know, the capabilities evolved, Thomas. The EU antitrust complaint 53 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: caps a terrible year for Facebook in Europe and for 54 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: Google in Europe, and there is sort of a feeling 55 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: among Silicon Valley that the European regulators are looking closer 56 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: at the American companies. Do you think that that's that 57 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: there is a basis for that, Um, I'm not sure, 58 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: but that this is really about the American companies versus uh, 59 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: EU companies. I think what's probably true is that they 60 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: sort of, at least in some quotas, there is an 61 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: on these about big online companies and the data that 62 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: they hold and what the implications of that are for 63 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: antitrust uh And it's you know, also true that probably 64 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: true that the decision of Facebook to share data from 65 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: WhatsApp uses that that raised possible concerns and that caused 66 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: the Commission to look closer again at what Facebook represented 67 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: at the time. But I think these cases you need 68 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: to look at them each on their own merits. Tell 69 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: us what is the sort of the worst case scenario 70 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: here for Facebook? If they're a violation is found by 71 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: the European commit issition, so the Commission can impose a fine. 72 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: That's fine can go as high as as one percent 73 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: of total global turnover. Facebook also it seems unlikely that 74 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: it will reach those levels. Thank you so much for 75 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: joining us on Bloomberg Law. That's Thomas Graft He's a 76 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: partner at Clearing Gottlieb in Brussels. That's it for this 77 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: edition of Bloomberg Law. We'll be back tomorrow and hope 78 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: that you will be as well. 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