1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: You know it's big news if there's a need for 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: an emergency episode of the Pack twelve Apostles. Two things up. 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: Number one, the Pack twelve is in deep New too 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: with the l A Times. The second thing is the 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: PAC twelve twenty college football schedule is out and we 6 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: must discuss it. He's Ralph Amston, I'm George Rice Stir 7 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: and this is the PAC twelve Apostles. We'll save all 8 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: the rest of the pageant trees. If you want to 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: hear everything else about the Amazon and giveaway all of that, 10 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: listen to either the previous or the next episode. But 11 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: right now we have some stuff to discuss. We thought 12 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: it was only gonna be one thing route with the 13 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: Pack finding out by John Kenzano, who does who's the 14 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 1: kind of the PAC twelves bulldog? Uh? John Wilner does 15 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: a great job covering the conference as well, But if 16 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: you're looking for somebody to get into the nitty gritty 17 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: and really you know, uh be the bulldog, it's John Kazana. 18 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: And they did in an investigation for what what was it, 19 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: roup like a year and a half I think, instead 20 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: of eighteen months or something like that. A lot of 21 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: this was making references to yeah, so so what so? 22 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: What happened is is the PAX twelve, we find out, 23 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on crisis management 24 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: and PR. Okay, does that sound terrible? The only problem 25 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: is is that why on earth does the conference have 26 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: to spend so much on on PR and crisis management 27 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: because you have inherent problems. No other conference has to 28 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: spend that much on that. And here is the problem. 29 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: They were going to pay the l A times a 30 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars create their own rip order to cover 31 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: non Olympic sports, to write additional articles positively about the conference. 32 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: The reporters live and die on access, as you know, Ralph, 33 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: If you give them access, they're right. So the fact 34 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: that the PETE felt that they needed to pay to 35 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: do it, what the hell is going on? I don't 36 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: know the way. The way that I read this whole 37 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: thing was that, I mean, the Pack twelve understands that 38 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: they have an image issue. They at least understand that much. 39 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: They don't seem to understand the route of that image 40 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: issue or the validity of that image issue, but they 41 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: do understand that they have one. And I think that 42 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: they understand that their image issue is twofold. One is 43 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: they're not being talked about enough, and two is that 44 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: when they are being talked about, it's bad. So uh, 45 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: I feel like I've I've been prepared my my whole 46 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: life to to cover the pack twelve just being an 47 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: Arizona sports fan because all of the proteins down here 48 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 1: completely dysfunctional. I will say that it's not um, it's 49 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: not out of the realm of what should be done 50 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: to consult others in order to figure out what you 51 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: need to do to improve things. But if you have 52 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: taken off the table the option of making any changes 53 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: to the foundation of what you built when you have 54 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: a foundational problem, then every type of repair is cosmetic 55 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: and and anything that a crisis management uh corporation organization 56 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: could suggest to you is window dressing. Um. And it's 57 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: a bit uh, it's a bit lecherous and masturbatory, like 58 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: these companies come in. I always think crisis management companies 59 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: just come in and leach money like that and and 60 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: tell you what, Hey, first, let's spend three days going 61 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: over what you are good at so they can give 62 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: you a nice big pad on the back. Um. But yeah, 63 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: so one of the suggestions was finding ways to get 64 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: more Pack twelve stories out there that you know. They 65 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: they established a partnership with the Players Tribune, and then 66 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: somebody you know, had the hair brained idea of fostering 67 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: a relationship with a young unknown reporter at the l. A. Times, 68 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: bringing them along, Yeah, Blake and and and uh and 69 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: and um, giving her is her right, giving her more 70 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: access than anybody else has, turning her into the premier 71 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: Pack twelve reporters sort of out of nowhere in exchange 72 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: for a hundred thousand dollars in advertising revenue to head 73 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: to the l. A. Times, which is violates pretty much 74 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: every a realistic practice of legitimate newspapers and all of that. 75 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: It definitely dances up against the line right because advertising 76 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: is a big part of print media, which has now 77 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: moved to online media. And if if you know you 78 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: have an investigative arm of what you're doing, then you 79 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: could run into something at any given time where you 80 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: have to disclose that you take advertising dollars from somebody 81 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: that you're writing about. And I'm sure that every paper 82 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: runs into questions of you know, is this worth our while? 83 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: But usually it's not. This blatant and silly. Uh, this 84 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: is just this is just a dumb thing to have done. 85 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: And one of the interesting questions that I saw online 86 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: was does this look worse for the PAC twel over 87 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: the l A Times, George Oh, especially since they just 88 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: suspended a ra Mark Kazy. Then yeah, it looks bad 89 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: on the l A Times too. You just suspended a 90 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: rash Mark Kazy because you felt like put ential plagiarism 91 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: of his own stuff. I just it just begs the question, 92 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: what the hell is going on over there? But that's 93 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: not who we care about the most. We care about 94 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: the Pack twelve here. So it's a bigger deal to 95 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: the PAC twelve because it I thought that the word 96 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: masturbatory was a great word to use, because you are 97 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: just you're you're just doing something and getting no results. 98 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: Like you, you get a temporary fix, but it doesn't 99 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: but it doesn't solve the actual problem what you're what 100 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: you're trying to do. I don't know how Larry Scott, 101 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: first thing, is still commissioner after this, How on earth 102 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: do you not solve the problem you already have the 103 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: PAC twelve. Mind you, all the presidents who hired Larry 104 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: Scott are gone except for two. Um, you got the 105 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: guy in Arizona State, the guy you say, l A, 106 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: that's it. Everybody else is new. So with that being said, 107 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: he's gotta go. You have the highest paid commissioner in 108 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: all of college sports, the lowest revenue, the highest administrative expenses. 109 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: You have bloated upper management salaries. Your headquarters is in 110 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: San Francisco. For inexplicably, you have the least visibility in 111 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: terms of the households that you're in your conference is 112 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: it is a miracle. Oregon is thriving, Washington is doing 113 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: very well. It is a freaking miracle. Did you must 114 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: say that those people are running their organizations in their 115 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: schools very well because you've got cow underwater in the 116 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: athletic budget having to borrow money from the school U 117 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:58,119 Speaker 1: c l A. In the same discussion, if it weren't 118 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: for Arizona State, in Arizona getting so much state money, 119 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: they would probably be in the same position. I just 120 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: can't justify Larry's gott and and I hope that he's 121 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: getting better from see Ralph so mad. My neighbor's car 122 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: alarm just went off, See how upset? And that was 123 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: I just can't understand how this dude is still at 124 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: the helm. And I pray that he is getting well 125 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: from the coronavirus quickly so he can be fired. I 126 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: don't think he eats this. I don't think uh. I 127 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: don't think the buck stops with with him here. UM. 128 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: I just he's been invincible thus far. We think about 129 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: all the problems, and you outline some of them. You know, 130 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: he uh is the highest paid commissioner with exponentially higher 131 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: expenditures in the conference, much lower TV revenue, much lower 132 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: of the all ability attendance is taking um an absolute 133 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: nose dive. No participation in the college football Playoff outside 134 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: of you know once recently. You know, USC has been 135 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: which is supposed to be the stalwar of the conference. 136 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: You know, hasn't necessarily been competitive, which which hurts everything overall. Um. 137 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: You know, he hasn't even paid back the home loan 138 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: that he took out. It's the whole thing has just 139 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: been a mess. He's been on the wrong side of 140 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: almost everything. Um. He and and yeah, but and if 141 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: if that didn't do it, I just don't understand how 142 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: this is going to be the thing that does. And 143 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: and my question for UH, people out there is you know, 144 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: what are you gonna do to try to convince guys 145 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:50,119 Speaker 1: like Michael Crowe who act as a shield for him, 146 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: because without Michael Crowe and his staunch defense and how 147 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: dismissive he is of criticisms, I'm not sure that Larry 148 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,719 Speaker 1: Scott still has a job. And at the end of 149 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: the day, this whole thing reminds me I actually got 150 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: a kick out of this thing. It made me laugh. 151 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: The whole thing reminds me of a plot point of 152 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: the movie Elf where the dad that played by James 153 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: con Walter is trying to boost book sales um right 154 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: before the holiday. So they need a real good idea 155 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: for a children's book, and the the idea that his 156 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: team comes up with, and in this illustration, the team 157 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: is you know, the Pack twelve, um, corporate bigwigs. The 158 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: idea they come up with is to bring in another writer, 159 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: to bring in Miles Finch, right um. And so you know, 160 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: it's their idea, or it's it's their job to come 161 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: up with ideas that can make the Pack twelve more 162 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: viable and relevant and and they're paid to do so. 163 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: And there they go out and get a consulting firm, 164 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: and they're paid to come up with the ideas, and 165 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: their idea is to go out and pay another per 166 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: since hold on, I gotta I gotta even better idea 167 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: for your broth. Well, I mean, just to make it 168 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: even worse. To make it even worse, you paid people 169 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: to cover Olympic sports. You didn't pay people to cover basketball. 170 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: You didn't pay people to cover football and get more 171 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: coverage about the things that actually make money. You paid 172 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 1: to cover water polo and tennis. You paid to cover gymnastics. 173 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: Not that those things are worthy of being covered, but 174 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: are those things they don't move the financial needle? Like 175 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: this is the pure idiocy of of Larry Scott's plans, 176 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: and the other presidents who have gone along with it 177 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 1: is doing his interests. Because I remember one time I 178 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: had come tennis, yeah, and an investor came to me 179 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: and they were like, hey, I really love what you're doing, um, 180 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: and I to invest I want to give you money 181 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: to bring in some more people, but I want you 182 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: to spend a lot of your energy and time and 183 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: effort transitioning to covering club hockey. And it was just 184 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: like for me, it was like, well, it's an immediate no, 185 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: because no one's going to read that. And um, yeah, 186 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: so if your investment in me depends on me changing, 187 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: then you know, then it's not an investment in me. Um. 188 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: And it just seems like a lack of an understanding 189 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: of what moves the needle. You know, they call this 190 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: the Conference of Champions, making reference to sports that people 191 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 1: aren't necessarily interested in, and you know, they're in of itself. 192 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: These sports bring great value to the participants in these sports. 193 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: Not everything needs to be a hit, not everything needs 194 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: to move the needle, but you definitely don't want to 195 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: pretend that the things that don't move the needle in 196 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: the needle are are are worth putting a ridiculous, an 197 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: exorbitant amount of resources behind, because that that's you know, 198 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: that's silly. And then at the same time, you haven't 199 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 1: done enough to make sure that the colleges that are 200 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: part of your conference aren't turning around and canceling those 201 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: sports the way that Stanford just did. So I don't know, 202 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: this whole thing is a mess. Uh. They decided to 203 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: bring in Miles Finch, and what they didn't anticipate is 204 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: that the staff of the l A. Times are a 205 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: bunch of angry little elves, so it backfired on them. 206 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: It all got linked to John Kanzano and it's just 207 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: another black guy, another another embarrassment um for for this conference. 208 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 1: I think it works. It looks worse for the l 209 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: A Times and it does for the PAC twelve. This 210 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: is the type of thing you expect the PAC twelve 211 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,719 Speaker 1: to do. This is not the type of thing that 212 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: you expect a major media outlet to participate in. It 213 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: makes me want to throw something big because the the 214 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: lady Blake Richardson, who everybody describes as like an innocent 215 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: victim in this situation, because if somebody gives you a 216 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: great opportunity to further your career, and you know you're 217 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: gonna take it. She didn't have anything to do with 218 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: the advertising. She just thinks she got a great opportunity. 219 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: She was used, dude. They offered her a trip to 220 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: with Cow's basketball team in China, inside access phone conferences 221 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: with Larry Scott and everybody else, and you're like, She's like, wow, 222 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: I got access. They told her specifically, you will be 223 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: the number one Pack twelve go to person, and in exchange, 224 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: she was supposed to give coverage about these states, and 225 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: I just don't understand how the money is not the focus. 226 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: We've we've talked about it, and it is just blatant mismanagement. 227 00:14:54,960 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: You are hurting recruiting from USC from every other conference 228 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: because when articles like this come up, you don't think 229 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: they've show him the recruits. You don't think that those 230 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: coaches are are putting them out saying hey man, listen, 231 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: PATO is only an eighteen million homes aside from when 232 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: their own you know, ESPN around our games and on 233 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: Friday nights and Thursday nights when everybody when nobody's watching. 234 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: You know, you can go over the air and play, 235 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: or you can come down here with big dogs and 236 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: come play and play. And it does make me wonder 237 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: who Kanzano's source was on this, because he made it 238 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: sound like he's got people inside the Pack twelve and 239 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: also at the UH at the l A Times. And 240 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: I do know that Andrew Greif was an Oregon football 241 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: We're just Oregon in general reporter for a really long time, 242 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: and somebody that I followed and somebody who's actually broken 243 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: quite a few stories that I've read. And now he's 244 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: working down there at the l a times and and 245 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: it just makes you wonder. It makes you wonder if 246 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: that's one of the uh, the connections that Kanzano had 247 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: into this whole thing. Um. You know, I guess kudos 248 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: to uh whoever it was, if it wasn't uh Andrew 249 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: Griffer or anybody that we know of, but kudos to 250 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: whoever it was for for having the ethics to to 251 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: blow the whistle on something like this. I will say 252 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: that I did think that the story took a couple 253 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: of twists in turns that it probably didn't need to. 254 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: And it's pretty obvious that John Kanzano likes to twist 255 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: the knife. He's already dug in um here and there 256 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: it was. It was quite a read and um and 257 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: and and every once in a while you notice a 258 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: little pot shot that maybe maybe deviated from the topic 259 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: at hand. Um. But the the one that stuck out 260 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: to me was him mentioning that one of the crisis 261 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: management firms was was headed up by a personal friend 262 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: of Larry Scott, and he was able to, I think, 263 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: out line what that guy charges other people, which kind 264 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: of made it sound like the Pack twelve is giving 265 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of dollars to personal friends of No, 266 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: they didn't make it sound like it, Dude, I do 267 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: if I am on the verge, I promise you if 268 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: if the PAC twelve continues down the path, if they 269 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: bring Larry Scott back, I am going to be like 270 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: one of these fake protesters that say that they're boycotting 271 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: sports and say I'm boycotting the Pack twelve even though 272 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm just gonna want to so badly. And 273 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 1: you're Early Kirk, You're gonna You're gonna tweet every five months. 274 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: This is why I don't watch the Pack twelve anymore 275 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: while watching the Pack twelve. Exactly exactly. Yes, let's talk 276 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: about something that the Pack twelve actually did right And yes, 277 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,959 Speaker 1: so the PAC twelve released did scheduled today and we 278 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: will put a link to it in the description of 279 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: the podcast. But it is a what a ten game 280 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: schedule starting September going down till December and how it 281 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: and an open week which is that twelfth week because 282 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: there's a bye week in between as well. That twelfth week, 283 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: December twelve would be an open week and then they 284 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: would have the thirteenth week would be the Pack twelve 285 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 1: championship would be which would be hosted by the home team. 286 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: So I'll let Ralph explain more of the schedule to 287 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: you because it was pretty It had some alphabetical ordered 288 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: tendencies to it. While let me recover it. It's pretty nifty. Um. 289 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: The season is supposed to start on September, uh, and 290 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 1: it actually opens up with a lot out of teams 291 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 1: facing either rivals or teams that are closer in proximity 292 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: um that they would normally play to see if they 293 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: can figure out logistically what to do in some of 294 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 1: these uh, some of these games. So like the Territorial 295 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: Cup Arizona Arizona State that opens week one. Now instead 296 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: of being the last game of the season, Um, you 297 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: see l A and USC is week one. Now, Um, 298 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: you know not everybody got their rivalry game week one, 299 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: but it is very interesting the way that it's structured. 300 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: Week one is a flex game, and not just for 301 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: the whold Conference, but individually for any of these teams. 302 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: If a SUU of A gets canceled uh or or 303 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: it can't kick off on September for any given reason, 304 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: it gets moved to October seventeenth, and Week two is 305 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: set up as a flex that way as well. So 306 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: let's say let's say that the entire first two weeks 307 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: can't happen, and that the season ends up happening on 308 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: then what that means is Week one will be moved 309 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: to your designated bye week, which you match up your 310 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: bye week with your Week one opponent, and Week two 311 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: will be moved to week twelve. So they have multiple 312 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: fail safes built in, UH and multiple contingency plans built 313 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: in for every single team in the Pac twelve, which 314 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 1: I think is just um it shows some real innovation 315 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: and ingenuity I've I am appreciative of that existing. So 316 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: as of today, we're like seven eight weeks away from 317 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: potentially having football and at most ten if they can 318 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: get this figured out. UM. One of the only things 319 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: that stands out to me that I'm not a pcent 320 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 1: sure of what this schedule is. Arizona is still a 321 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: hot mess, so I'm not sure it's the best idea 322 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: to have two Arizona teams playing each other or any 323 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: Arizona home games at all for the time being. And 324 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: I also know California's attitude UM toward total out of 325 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: this is that is going on as well, and so 326 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: any of the games that are in California or in 327 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: Arizona Week one or two, I think are still probably 328 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: at a threat of of being pushed for now. But 329 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 1: I think what's nice about this is it's, uh, you know, 330 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: some people are carrot people, some people are stick people. 331 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: And because there's not really mandates in a lot of 332 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: these um states like the one I live in for masks, 333 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: there is no sticks, so you have to offer somebody 334 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: to carrot and basically say, if you want football on 335 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 1: September and you want it to be the most important 336 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: game of the season, then you need to get your 337 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: crap together because if not, it's going to be either 338 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: October seventeenth or not at all. So Larry Larry Scott said, 339 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: quote the schedule and plans approved today in the path 340 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: to Return to competition or subject to public health orders 341 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: and will be taken in accordance with health and well 342 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: Being guidelines developed by the packs Well Medical Advisory Committee. 343 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: And also each team must have at least four weeks 344 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 1: of practice uh as far as their training camp. So 345 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: incomes California, California. Three of the four teams in California, 346 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 1: so there's four teams use usc U c l A, Calvin, Stanford, 347 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: USC U, c l A, and cal are still conducting 348 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: outdoor strength and conditioning drills. The teams can't gather in 349 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: large groups, they can't tackle, and they can't even share 350 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: a football as of today. So that's what makes USC 351 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: schedule so interesting because their first three games are in 352 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: the state of California. The biggest threat to this whole 353 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: thing not happening right now to me is you s 354 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: c S early season schedule and they just have Stanford. Yeah, 355 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: and they just had a forty person outbreak on Greek Growth. 356 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: And I talked about this on my podcast, asked where 357 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: I said that the biggest danger to college football is 358 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: are the rest of the students because there's such a 359 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: like they're inevitably going to be risky and if you 360 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: want sports to happen, if you want that sports money, 361 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: then the students are the danger to the sports. A 362 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: forty person outbreak on Greek Row at USC sounds like 363 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: a good time. Well, school hasn't even started to It 364 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: was like, that's a hell of a kickback. Yeah, that 365 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: was a great that was a great night. Um. Yeah, 366 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: but Stanford still can't even tackle yet, but they can 367 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: gather together in large groups for for practice. I love 368 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: the schedule, ro I love it. This is the This 369 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: is one of the coolest things the Pact twas done 370 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: in a really long time, Like I feel like and 371 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: it it might not work out, but I feel like 372 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 1: they nailed this. And it feels weird to be doing 373 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: an emergency podcast to talk about the schedule and another 374 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: one of the Pack twelves, major major blenders coming to 375 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: light um, because it's definitely gonna run hot and cold. 376 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: But they do deserve praise for this, and so I mean, 377 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: just to show you that we're just not massive downers 378 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: who hate on Larry Scott for no reason. This is cool. 379 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: And you know, if you if if um, if you 380 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 1: if the blame lays at the feet of the man 381 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: in charge for when things go wrong, um, then you 382 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: got to give him some some credit for this as well, 383 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: because I think this particular schedule might save football for 384 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: the Pack twelve. What I really worry about, though, is, 385 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: uh is I'm out and about. Well I'm not out 386 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: and about, but I do watch the news here in 387 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 1: the state of Arizona, and I got friends who were 388 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: out and about and I see their social media timelines 389 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: all day. I'm not sure Arizona is gonna be able 390 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: to kick this in the next seven or eight weeks. 391 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: And um and I and I know that California, on 392 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: the other hand, whether or not they kicked this, everything 393 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: is sort of at the whims of you know how 394 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom is feeling and at any given time, and 395 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: so you know that that all California schedule for USC 396 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: kicking off the season. Um, it's risky for sure. Well, well, 397 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: I actually think it makes sense because those are the 398 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: schools who may not even be able to play, so 399 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: maybe everybody else can still continue to play without them. 400 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: If if so, Um, I bro, you just said that 401 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 1: that we are positive people. But I come back to this. 402 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: I come back to this the five stages of green 403 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: and I felt like we are continued, that we are 404 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: stuck in stage three. I had already weeks ago, because 405 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: you know, the denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. I 406 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: had accepted that we weren't going to have football. I 407 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: ended on my podcast the day that the NFL is 408 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: gonna I'm sorry that the NBA is gonna finish, Hockey 409 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: is gonna finish, They're gonna start to finish their in 410 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: a bubble, it's gonna work. MLB suspect, and the NFL 411 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: super sketchy in college football is beyond super sketch. And 412 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: I was in acceptance that those last three things weren't 413 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: gonna happen, but then these conference only schedules got me 414 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: back to bargaining. And I feel like we are in 415 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 1: a perpetual state of bargaining right now. And yeah, yeah, 416 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 1: I I disagree. I think I think the stages of grief. Uh. 417 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: You know, I think that that's kind of a tried 418 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: and true thing. Um. But with when it comes to 419 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 1: the football season, I don't feel like I get them 420 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: in order. And I definitely feel like I have at 421 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: least four at any given time. Um, because accepting that 422 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: there would be no football makes me depressed. Uh and 423 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: and being depressed about football makes me angry. Um. And 424 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 1: so you know I feel and you know, with the bargaining, 425 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: bargaining part makes me feel angry because it makes me 426 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 1: realize I'm helpless and my ideas don't matter because it's 427 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: always you know, I have no control over this situation 428 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: at all. And so, um, I feel like the one 429 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: that I have licked is denial. Um, but you know, 430 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: if anything else goes wrong to to delay this, I'm 431 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: sure I'll go right uh right back to one. Who 432 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: Who was that a Brian McKnight joint? Starting back at one? Yeah, 433 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: back at one? Oh man. Well that conclude I guess 434 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: our emergency Pack two of Apostles podcast. You guys, make 435 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: sure that you guys hit us up. We will have 436 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: way more on this stuff next week as well, but 437 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: we thought we needed to talk about it because as 438 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 1: soon as we finished recording the next morning vote l 439 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: A l A times, so we thought we needed to 440 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: cover it for you guys. Um, we appreciate your time, 441 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: appreciate your energy. Make sure you share the podcast with 442 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: somebody who needs to hear it. Peace out,