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Speaker 2: Don't like that?

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Speaker 1: You know you're a teddy bear when you need to

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Speaker 1: be so. I got a heart, yea heart, got a

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Speaker 2: What do I want the world to know about my

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Speaker 2: and she can have a mean face sometimes, but she

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: She's a social butterfly and she this motest person my.

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Speaker 3: Mind, big boy, come on that.

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Speaker 2: The boy taught herself how to play that. Him and

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Speaker 2: his sister crazy. A lot of talent in the warriorhousehoud mirror, Now,

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Speaker 2: La mama?

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Speaker 1: Who is that?

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Speaker 2: You get your close up? You get your close up?

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Speaker 2: You see the cameras, Now.

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Speaker 1: La mama, She's like, my bulls are down. It must

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Speaker 2: You got five kids five? Though, five kids five?

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Speaker 1: It is time for lunch.

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Speaker 2: Tell the people who you are, what you do? Who

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Speaker 2: are you? What's your name?

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Speaker 1: I'm a mirror award.

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Speaker 2: You're ready to graduate high school? Right? What are we

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Speaker 1: I'm going to loss to see us college.

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Speaker 2: What are you gonna study?

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Speaker 1: I don't know yet?

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Speaker 2: And going back and forth between vetman, business and criminology.

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Speaker 2: What's up looking at the camera telling people what you

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Speaker 2: are about?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 2: Who are you? What's your name? In this champ Award

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Speaker 2: thirteen Boy's kind of d for thirteen? My boy? Are

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Speaker 2: you looking at nervous? You look nervous the grades looking

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Speaker 2: like a See that scratch on the back of the

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Speaker 2: head right there be a's and b's right now, No, no, no,

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Speaker 2: you're working towards a got you got you? You like music?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, where can they find you at? This is

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Speaker 2: your shop? Bro? You too in sound loud and band

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Speaker 2: that's how I challenge my kids. They gotta break out

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Speaker 2: of that that shining is. They gotta speak up. Mario,

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Speaker 2: what's up? What you got?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: I like soccer, football, basketball.

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Speaker 1: I do play piano a lot.

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Speaker 2: Who taught you how to do that? My sister, I'm

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Speaker 2: a little bit and self taught, your self taught. So

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Speaker 2: you never took you never took you never took official

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Speaker 2: lessons A little bit like anything else you want the

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Speaker 2: world to know about you. Well, I do like my

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Speaker 2: stay tuned, great things are up ahead. I know I

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Speaker 2: always say it's a special episode of the Art Award,

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Speaker 2: but today we got her. We got a real special episode.

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Speaker 2: This young lady that I have today is somebody that's

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Speaker 2: the things that I've done throughout my life, my career

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Speaker 2: and even in retirement. It's a lady that you guys

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me in your own house.

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Speaker 2: Man. We just gonna vibe today, y'all. We just gonna talk.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I've gotten a lot of questions about

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Speaker 2: Tell me if I'm wrong, is you know from my

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree with that. I don't think it's

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Speaker 2: And I like the mystique around you. You're a little

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Speaker 2: So you are a military child, been through different countries,

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Speaker 1: So, as you know, mom and dad were both you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's That's one thing that like I learned about

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Speaker 2: Nah, you you definitely stretched me a lot. You stretched

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Speaker 2: But like that's the type of stuff where I'm like, like,

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Speaker 2: You're like it's fine, babe, And I'm like, dude, I

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Speaker 2: I'm like, creeping up there, doing like five miles an hour.

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Speaker 2: But you told me that day. You told me man,

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Speaker 2: So I'm I'm shocked. I'm stunned. But like my dad

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Speaker 1: to my mom. Even though you know your parents may say, oh,

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00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,399
Speaker 1: you can talk to me, they really present in a

434
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,639
Speaker 1: way where it's like, no, they can't talk to you.

435
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 1: And I definitely had that growing up. And the only

436
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 1: thing I heard from my mom was you better not

437
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 1: be having sex, and if you're having sex, you better

438
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 1: not get pregnant. Like that was the instruction that I had.

439
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 1: There was no conversation, you know, beyond that, and so

440
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: it was like, oh my god, exactly what she told

441
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,239
Speaker 1: me not to do, ended up doing it. What am

442
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,959
Speaker 1: I going to do now? And and it was scary

443
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 1: for a while, it was very scary, and I knew

444
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 1: at a certain point, Okay, I gotta I've got to

445
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 1: be real, I've got to tell her and let the

446
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 1: chips fall where they're gonna fall.

447
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what was it about you that? Like? Because

448
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,439
Speaker 2: what I noticed about you, like especially at that time too,

449
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,680
Speaker 2: that's what like two thousand and two thousand, yeah one, Like,

450
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,919
Speaker 2: you know, being young and having a child was obviously

451
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 2: a big thing, right, So I see, you know, friends

452
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 2: start acting different, people in the community start acting different.

453
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 2: I never seen you wait, you know, even though it

454
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 2: was like considered a bad thing, I never seen you wave.

455
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,479
Speaker 2: But I never seen you like be ashamed of Dre Junior,

456
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 2: be ashamed of the fact that you know, we were together. Always.

457
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 2: I've seen you, like really stand up man, through through

458
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 2: all of it. And I always, even even at you know, seventeen,

459
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 2: even at fifteen, sixteen years old, like I recognize, like, man,

460
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 2: that's I recognized that its strength. Where did you get

461
00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 2: that from? And how did you you know?

462
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like looking back at it, I

463
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 1: could see how you know God was really involved in

464
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 1: the details, and I see how you know I was

465
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: always raised to be strong and to be tough and

466
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: to deal with whatever life kind of threw your way.

467
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 1: And some of it was was really great, but then

468
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 1: some thing's not so great, right.

469
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 2: You know.

470
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 1: I had my mom teaching me, don't you ever depend

471
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 1: on a man. You gotta get things yourself. You got

472
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: to do this, you got to do that. It's like, mmmm, Okay,

473
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 1: I understood what she was trying to do. She was

474
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: trying to raise her two daughters to be tough, independent, strong,

475
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: all of those things. But then, you know, you fast

476
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 1: forward years later when you're talking about a marriage and

477
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 1: you're trying to make two imperfect people come together if

478
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 1: you have certain mentalities like don't you ever depend on

479
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: a woman, don't you ever depend on a man? That's

480
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: going to cause some issues, you know, down the road,

481
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: and so those things kind of yeah, you know, it's

482
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 1: it's a codependency thing that needs to take place, so

483
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: you know, it can be super dicey. But within that

484
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: I was kind of built tough. You know, I didn't

485
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 1: I talk about this with my mom even now, you know,

486
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: she's not super affectionate. So it wasn't like, oh, let's

487
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 1: go cuddle up and read a bedtime story. You know,

488
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 1: That's not the mom I had. It's like, come on,

489
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 1: toughen up, let's go. Let's you know, hey, we're gonna

490
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: go ride bikes though, come on, let's go. Look, I'm

491
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 1: gonna teach you these card games, you know, things like that,

492
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 1: which is great. But I was kind of built tough,

493
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: and I knew that this was my doing right, ours together,

494
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: you know, we gotta deal with this, you know, we

495
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: gotta deal with it the right way. And I think too,

496
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: I always loved kids, loved the idea of kids. I

497
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: was always babysitting someone's kid. I think at that time

498
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 1: I was actually babysitting two little girls across the street.

499
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: And you know, so I think I was just it

500
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: was a god given thing. Just hey, get up and

501
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: do what you gotta do. And then too, remember like

502
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: in you know two thousand, yeah, not the sinning part. Yeah,

503
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: in two thousand, like teenage pregnancy wasn't like a big

504
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: thing like it is today. Right. A few years later

505
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: is when we started having like reality TV with like

506
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: oh I'm pregnant and I'm sixteen and all that kind

507
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: of stuff. So at that time, it was kind of

508
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: like in the community like, oh.

509
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 2: My god, how old is she?

510
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 1: She can't be you know, that old. She's pregnant. What's

511
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: going on? And at school teachers and dealing with that

512
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, and I think a lot of people

513
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: around me felt like, oh, it's over, You've just blown

514
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: your life. You'll be lucky to graduate, you know. It

515
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 1: was it was kind of like that. And I was

516
00:25:55,800 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 1: big and pregnant, sitting in a school desk trying to

517
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, just finish school and do what I had

518
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: to do.

519
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 2: It was. It was pretty crazy, and I'm trying to

520
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 2: finish school back in California, but I'm also trying to,

521
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: you know, I'm trying to keep my amateur boxing career

522
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 2: going because you know, like I will get I like,

523
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 2: stop smoking, stop running the streets long enough to get

524
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: in shape for a tournament, go win the tournament, and

525
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: I disappear again. But this situation was real, you know,

526
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: because in the family, you know, eventually accepted it because

527
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 2: we wasn't getting no abortion, that wasn't an option for us.

528
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's just not how we were raised. So

529
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: you know, we're like trying to juggle this thing, man,

530
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 2: and then you know, eventually, obviously you had the baby,

531
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 2: you had Dre you know, March third, two thousand and one.

532
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: I wasn't able to be there, you know, I'm like

533
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 2: in between, like going back and forth to home. So

534
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: that's something I regret to this day, you know, not

535
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 2: being there for that. But we just managed it, man.

536
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,719
Speaker 2: And it's like I'm getting in trouble, you know, I'm

537
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: getting in trouble in the Bay. I'm getting in trouble

538
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 2: in Seattle, and I'm just just making bad decisions. Man.

539
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: You know.

540
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 2: I interviewed Verge yesterday and I was just telling him

541
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 2: about that time period where I had to give up

542
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: most of my childhood to be this phenom, to be

543
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: this this this guy that's supposed to want a gold

544
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 2: medal and go be a world champion in Hall of

545
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: Famer and all that stuff sound good. But the price

546
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: you have to pay to walk that out every day

547
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 2: from nine years old until you know, however long, that's

548
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: a heavy price. And early on it's a game and

549
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 2: it's fun and it's cool when you start realizing it. Man,

550
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: I can't go with you all today. Man, I can't

551
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 2: go to that party. Man, I got to go to

552
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 2: the gym, you know, me telling that. I told my

553
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: friends after school, I got to go to the gym.

554
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 2: So you start to resent it, and there was no break.

555
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 2: I didn't play multiple sports at that time. I played

556
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 2: different sports in high school. But it wasn't like, oh,

557
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 2: I'm doing football right now and I get a break

558
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 2: doing baseball. I wasn't a case. So I'm trying to

559
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: juggle this thing. But I'm in the streets, man, and

560
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 2: I'm just making bad decision. I'm running from God. I

561
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 2: just had a child and the Olympics are like like

562
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: three years away. And then Verge came to me. He

563
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 2: was like, hey, man, you know, do you do you

564
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: love her talking about you? And I was like yeah.

565
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 2: He was like, do you do you want her to

566
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 2: be with anybody else?

567
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: I was like no.

568
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: He was like, do you want to be with anybody else?

569
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 2: I was like I don't think so. And he was like,

570
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 2: if I get her to California, will you stop? Is

571
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 2: this gonna help? I was like, yeah, it's gonna help.

572
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: You know, I don't have to worry about her. I

573
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: don't have to worry about my son and verse made

574
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 2: that happen. Man, he brought you to to Oakland, California. Yeah,

575
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 2: and so tell me how you felt, just like you

576
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 2: left your family, you just had a baby, and now

577
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: you you're a several states over, you've never been here before.

578
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: Well and then at that time too, I was pregnant

579
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: with Malachi child. Yeah, got pregnant with you know, mal

580
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: and about seventeen, Yeah, I get ready to turn eighteen.

581
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: So it's yeah, so it was a lot. It was scary.

582
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: Had graduated from high school, trying to figure out, Okay,

583
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: what's what's next. I was in and out of my

584
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: home cause you know, like you remember, I was getting

585
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: into a lot of trouble and stuff too, going to jail,

586
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: all kinds of stupid decisions that I was making.

587
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: And oh yeah, she went to juvenile Allio.

588
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: She went to a couple of times.

589
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 2: I did I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't.

590
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: Did my stuff had a day here or day did?

591
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: But she got it, you know, yeah, yes, yes, transform yeah,

592
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: she changed.

593
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: That was then. But it was tough, right, like, had

594
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: the first baby, pregnant with the second one, and we

595
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: were trying to figure it out, and I remember when

596
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,479
Speaker 1: you called me and you said, I want to bring

597
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: you to California with me. I'm gonna take care of you.

598
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 2: And it was like.

599
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: It was scary, you know, because it was like, Okay,

600
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to leave everything here, come down there. I

601
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: knew I wanted to be with you more than anything,

602
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: and you were like, I'm gonna take care of you.

603
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: We're gonn to figure this out.

604
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 2: Did not know how, but I was moving on because

605
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 2: I remember I.

606
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: Was saying, like, how what are you gonna do? You're like,

607
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. We're gonna work it out.

608
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: Because I was getting a little money too from USA Boxing. Yeah,

609
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: because I was the number one fighter in the country,

610
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 2: so you get a stipend. I'm on a national team,

611
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: so I forgot what I was getting at that time,

612
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 2: maybe three thousand a month or fifteen something like that.

613
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: But that that back then, that was a lot about.

614
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. And then you told me I can

615
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: come live with you and with Virgin Milly, and I

616
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: kept thinking, oh, man, how's that gonna be. Are they

617
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: going to like me?

618
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 2: You know?

619
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: Are we even gonna get along? Like, how is this

620
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: going to be? And so it was it was a

621
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: little scary moving down, but I said, I said, yes,

622
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: let's let's do it, and came down here and got

623
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: on southwest and came down here, and I mean, Virgin

624
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: Milly man, I'm just so grateful. I'm so grateful for them,

625
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: not just that they supported us and gave us a

626
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: home with two kids, but just everything from a spiritual

627
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: standpoint to the natural stuff. I mean, they have been

628
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: such a blessing, you know, in our lives where we

629
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: lacked parents at specific points in our lives, they just

630
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: were there. They were there, and even early on in

631
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: our relationship, I mean, I know that Verge was just

632
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: so pivotal. I mean even now when I think about

633
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: Million Verge, I'm just so grateful for them. I mean,

634
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: Verge would sit me down at times and he would

635
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: just be reading the Bible and saying, you know, hey, look,

636
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: this is what a wife is supposed to be. You know,

637
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: it was the first time I even heard about like

638
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: Proverbs thirty one was from I was. I was turning up.

639
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: I didn't have the best example, right, I didn't like,

640
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: you know, what a wife is supposed to be or

641
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: how to deal with conflict, right, So we would just

642
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: kind of argue and like, no, you're gonna hear my point.

643
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: You're gonna hear my point. And it was like who's

644
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: gonna give, who's gonna bend? And like I said, going

645
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: back to being very strong willed, you know, that was

646
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: really tough early on. And it was such a blessing

647
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: because I would think, man, how are a million verds

648
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: gonna react to this? They're gonna take his side? And

649
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: so many times birds keep me on my side?

650
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 2: Why are you always siding with her? Because I was

651
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: right and he was like, I'm not signing. He's called

652
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: me pop pop. You gotta look at it like this

653
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: baby got and yeah, it take. It takes a village,

654
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 2: It really does. Man like it really. I don't know

655
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 2: where we would have been without them. My mom, I think,

656
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 2: at that time, was still kind of struggling and getting

657
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: herself together. My dad died, you know, in two thousand

658
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: and two, shortly after Drey Junior was born. So I

659
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 2: didn't have a lot, you know, I didn't have a

660
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: lot of like examples A and then B like somebody

661
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: to sit me down. That's why I don't never even

662
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 2: if I'm talking to somebody, a youngster or somebody that's

663
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: you know whatever. I don't. I don't. I don't lit

664
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: some the feeling like that may not be getting it.

665
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: I don't let that get me off track. I'm gonna

666
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: sow these seeds in your life. I'm gonna speak this

667
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 2: over you and hopefully you ready to receive it. Now.

668
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: You may be ready in the year. I don't know.

669
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: But they did that for us because we did not

670
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: know how to. I didn't know, like, we just had

671
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: we had pressure. We ate seventeen eighteen years old and

672
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: we got two kids. Again, I'm trying to figure out

673
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: this Olympic thing, but I'm still one foot in the streets,

674
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: one foot out. Now. I got you here. I gave

675
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 2: you my word that I was gonna take care of you.

676
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: Don't really fully know how. And it was a lot,

677
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 2: you know, and we would we would argue about this

678
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: normal stuff, argue fight about normal stuff like but we

679
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 2: didn't have no plan. Like I know some people don't

680
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: believe in the structure of the Bible. But that saved

681
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: our life. Yeah, and that sustained us because we love

682
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: each other. But without the power of God and the

683
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: help of God in our life, I don't think we

684
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: would have made it.

685
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

686
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 2: I don't think we would have made it, you know.

687
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: And some people say I don't give God credit for that.

688
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: I'm giving him credit for that. And I'm still giving

689
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 2: him credit for that because I'm not that good. I

690
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: didn't come out of you know, I didn't. I wasn't

691
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: born morally. No, I'm not that good. News flash, if y'all,

692
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: if there's no God in my life, y'all gonna be

693
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 2: reading about andre Ward on the bottom of the ESPN

694
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: ticker a lot like he did? What man? Why you

695
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: do that? Man? I was so stupid. It's just what

696
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 2: it is. I can admit that because I know me

697
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: before I met God. I knew me, and this was

698
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: a broke me with very little money and no name.

699
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: And you give that person some name and some some famous,

700
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 2: some fortune, it ain't no telling. So we were trying

701
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 2: to figure it out.

702
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: Men.

703
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 2: But I thank God for Virgin Millie and specifically Verge

704
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 2: was sitting down and open up that one sailer. This

705
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 2: is what God said about this. And he used to

706
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 2: tell you. He was like, he said, you gotta he go.

707
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 2: Take you to the scripture where he talks about the

708
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: ox treading on the with the grain.

709
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 1: No, it was the one where the one that said

710
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: much increase comes by the length of an ox.

711
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

712
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: He was like, and I still teach that to women today,

713
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: you know, because oftentimes, you know, women are frustrated in

714
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: their marriage, like, man, I gotta deal with this, I

715
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: gotta deal with that. I gotta deal with all these things.

716
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: You know, my husband isn't doing this or doing that.

717
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: And I'm like, man, you can't. You can't forget about this.

718
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: There's a great increase that comes by the strength of

719
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: the ox.

720
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: You know.

721
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna have to deal with some stuff. It's

722
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: it's a real thing, but deal with it the right way.

723
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: But just don't disregard the fact that man, hey, when

724
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: I sit there and I say, man, is your husband

725
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: a blessing? Well, yeah, yeah he is. He is. Okay

726
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: what about this? What about that?

727
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

728
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true. That's right. Okay, we can forget those

729
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: things because we have to address something, you know, and

730
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: there's a real issue here. Will make the issue bigger

731
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: than some of these other things. And it's like, no,

732
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: that's not the way to handle it. We're gonna get

733
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: to the issue. We're gonna we're gonna deal with that.

734
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: But man, my perspective has to be Man, my husband

735
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: is a blessing. My wife is a blessing.

736
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: And we weren't made at that time, but we felt

737
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 2: like at that time we were more in that direction.

738
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: And you know, he told you, he was like, man,

739
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: you gotta look at your like he's an ox. Yeah,

740
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 2: and if he does his part and you do yours,

741
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 2: he said, he gonna put you in a position where

742
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 2: you ain't never got to work a day in your life.

743
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 2: You're gonna never have to go get a job.

744
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: You know what's funny about that. He said that to me,

745
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: And there was a part of me that was like, wow, really, okay,

746
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. But then there was another part of

747
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: me that's like, but I want to work, but I

748
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: want to do stuff. You know, I have my whole

749
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: wife ahead of me. There's things that I want to do.

750
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: So it was kind of this you know, dichotomy that

751
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: was kind of going on in my head where it

752
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, that's great, but what about what I

753
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: want to do? You know, over time, you and I

754
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: would talk and you would say, babe, listen, this is

755
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: what this is the vision that I have for us

756
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to go I'm gonna win to go metal.

757
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to be a world champion.

758
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: I made it sound so easy.

759
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: I know he did. It was you know, it was luxurious,

760
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: you know. Three.

761
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 2: I mean I've been We've been drilling since I've been

762
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 2: ten years old.

763
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean that's what you told me, and

764
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 1: you were saying, you know, but I need your support.

765
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: Can you support my dream? And the other part was,

766
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want someone else raising our kids.

767
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: And I felt the same way. I was like, you

768
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: know what, you're right, like, I don't want to put

769
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: our kids in daycare and have them with babysitters and

770
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: things like that. I mean that's what I got growing up.

771
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: I had.

772
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 2: Every single day.

773
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, where someone else is just raising our kids.

774
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: And you know, thank God for people that are out there.

775
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: There's amazing people that there's nannies, there's babysitters. Thank God

776
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: for that, because you know, people have to go to work,

777
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 1: they have to do what they have to do, and

778
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,439
Speaker 1: everyone doesn't have the opportunity to have a family member

779
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: that could step in to help and things like that,

780
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: and we didn't. We didn't have you know, family or

781
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: anyone there that could help out with the boys family,

782
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: I mean, like full time for me to go and

783
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: you know, and so I just you basically said, can

784
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: you support my vision? And you know I gave you

785
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: my yes. You know, I gave you and I gave

786
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 1: the Lord, really you know, my yes. And it wasn't

787
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: always easy because you know, I kind of wrestled a

788
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: little bit, and you remember that. And you know, there

789
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: were things that I wanted to do. Yeah, I wanted

790
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: to go to college, and you know, there were a

791
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: lot of things that I had and vision for myself.

792
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: But I think at the end of the day, when

793
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: I gave you my yes, I really meant that.

794
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 2: I really meant that, yeah, man, And it's nothing wrong

795
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 2: with you know, a man pursuing his dreams and a

796
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 2: woman pursuing his dreams simultaneously. That that works for y'all.

797
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 2: And I will I've said this a lot, you know that,

798
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: Like you're the smartest person I know, Like when you

799
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 2: put your mind to something, there's nothing that you can't do.

800
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 2: So I know you could have you you could have

801
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 2: been a lawyer, you could have been whatever you wanted

802
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: to do. But it was just tricky with our situation

803
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,959
Speaker 2: because we're so young, we're living with two other people.

804
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 2: Verde had a job at that time during the day

805
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 2: and then that night he's a trainer. His wife Millie,

806
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 2: my godmother, she full time job. We didn't have a

807
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: you know, people that can help us, and we didn't

808
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: have the money for a bunch of stuff at that time.

809
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 2: We don't have the two kids. A different conversation, yeah, right,

810
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: Like I can pursue my dream Olympics, and you can

811
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 2: pursue your dream whatever you want to do. It was

812
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: just tricky from a monetary money standpoint, and then just

813
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 2: like like just the help, we just didn't have it, man.

814
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: So it wasn't that I was like, oh, you you know,

815
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 2: just just support me and come up under me. I

816
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 2: just think at that time it was like the right

817
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: thing to do, you know, and it obviously worked out,

818
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 2: but it you know, it's days where I'm like, man,

819
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 2: I wonder, you know, was that the right thing, you know,

820
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 2: because you could have done you could have done anything.

821
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 2: But I think I think we did the right thing

822
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 2: because even though you didn't get a job, like you're

823
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: constantly working. People get that twisted about stay at home mamas.

824
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: They think that like, oh, you just get to sit

825
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 2: up and watch TV all day. It's like, man, or

826
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: we have people sometimes to say, well what do you do?

827
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: It's like everything like cook clean, grocery store bills. We're budgeting,

828
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 2: we're making business decisions. Babe, what you think about this? Man,

829
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 2: it's an opportunity of negotiation. I mean, what are we

830
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: not doing? What are you not doing? It's a lot,

831
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 2: but yeah, it was definitely, man, you definitely sacrificed a

832
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 2: lot of your dreams to support my dream for sure,

833
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm grateful for it and it worked out.

834
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: But you know, you could have. You could have you

835
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 2: could have did anything you wanted to do. But we,

836
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: you know, we we we stayed locked in even though

837
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 2: we struggled. We're still struggling trying to figure it out.

838
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 2: But the thing that really got us over, I think

839
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: is we had the same belief system. We believed in

840
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. We believe we're Christians, and you know, we're

841
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 2: struggling Christians, but we're trying to figure it out, you know.

842
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm reading stuff about like, man, it's

843
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 2: better to married than to burn. I'm like, boy, I know,

844
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: we didn't already messed up, but like I'm trying to

845
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: live right. I'm trying to do this thing right. But

846
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: were living in the same house. So I'll be like,

847
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 2: that's it, we done. He ain't doing nothing. I'm sleeping upstairs.

848
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: You're sleeping downstairs. That last three days. Then it's like, oh,

849
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 2: God help me. You know what I'm saying, because at

850
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: this time we both are having a rebirth. Like we

851
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: knew about God, but but you know, we wasn't live

852
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 2: in it. Yeah, but then when we came got both

853
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: got to California, God start really dealing with me. God

854
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 2: start really like changing me, and you know, taking a

855
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 2: desire to smoke and a drinking like the Olympics. I

856
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 2: started to love boxing again. I started to get the

857
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: vision like yo, like the Olympics, Man is close. And

858
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 2: you know I lost my dad in two thousand and

859
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: one and it's two thousand and two, excuse me, and

860
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 2: it devastated me. So it's like I was coming out

861
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 2: of what I was dealing with and then boom got

862
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 2: knocked back down. They got probably as as bad as

863
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: it ever was at that point in time. I'm angry

864
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 2: at God. I'm doing more drug I don't even care

865
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: no more. But yeah, I still got this family and God, God, Man,

866
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 2: he just and my mother was doing good at that time,

867
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 2: and she was like witnessing to me, like, Dre, you

868
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 2: gotta get right. My sister Tasha was doing good at

869
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: that time. She blowing me up. I'm like, man, I'm

870
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: ducking my sister. She's like, God got a plan with it.

871
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 2: I'm like, cis man, like, I ain't trying to hear

872
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 2: it today, man, but I needed to hear it. And

873
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: we both start having like a rebirth with God right

874
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 2: around the same time. So now you know. Sometimes God

875
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: he was a scription in the Bible. Jesus was telling

876
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 2: his disciples like I have many things that I want

877
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 2: to say to you, but you're not ready. He's not

878
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 2: gonna throw the bucket you and be like change everything.

879
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 2: Sometimes it'll be incremental where he'll start highlighting certain areas.

880
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 2: So he started highlighting the fact that we were not

881
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 2: married at a certain point, and I'm like, oh, we

882
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: gotta figure this out. And the spirit was willing, but

883
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 2: the flesh was weak. So we last two days, three days,

884
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: and then we back for and the gate and verse

885
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 2: just like just get married. But I think because I

886
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: didn't have a like a picture of like a great marriage.

887
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 2: I was scared, like I want to do what God

888
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: is telling me to do, but I'm I'm man, I

889
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 2: don't know if I can. I don't know if we can,

890
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 2: I don't know. But we ended up getting married on

891
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: Wednesday Bible study at God's Way Church we went to

892
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 2: at that time, Pastor Calloway Man. He was like, y'all

893
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 2: come in my office. We're gonna get this done tonight.

894
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think we were kind of dressed like that,

895
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: jeans and T.

896
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: Shirt and we went to back office made that thing official. Boy,

897
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 2: I was a deer in the headlights. Like I was happy,

898
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: but I was scared. Just didn't know, man, Like it

899
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: was complete, like territory I didn't know nothing about. And

900
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 2: I just gave my life back to God. So like,

901
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: you know, God sustaining you and giving you power to

902
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: do what you can't do in your own strength. Like

903
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 2: I was still trying to figure that out.

904
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: Was you scared, like, and you know you poker faced

905
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: that too, because we talked about you know, later on

906
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: we talked about that and you were saying how you

907
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: were scared.

908
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: I was like, what scared.

909
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that you were scared at the time,

910
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: you know. But but I think at the end of

911
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: the day, we knew that we were doing the right thing,

912
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: and we were. I think the most important part was that,

913
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: like you said earlier, we were pushing in the same direction.

914
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: Because you know, we talk about it all the time,

915
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 1: when you have split visions in a in a house

916
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 1: or in a relationship, that's division. You know, you can't

917
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: have one vision and then I got another vision. That's division.

918
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: And so even early on like that, we were just

919
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: pushing in the same direction.

920
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 2: But I feel like that, you know, getting married, you know,

921
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 2: having the two kids, I think that actually, like it

922
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 2: made me lock in even more, you know. And and

923
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 2: because a lot of my Olympic teammates and stuff, some

924
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: of them had kids. But like I probably had the

925
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: biggest weight on me and the biggest pressure on me

926
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 2: because I hadn't lost since I've been a young kid,

927
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 2: so that was like a winning streak that was going

928
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 2: into the Olympics. But I had like real like family stuff,

929
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 2: Like I'm twenty years old and they're like, man, you

930
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: had a oh you got two kids, And I'm like, brother,

931
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 2: I losing ain't an option for me because I know

932
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: what you get if you want a gold medal. I

933
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 2: think at that time it was like twenty five thousand,

934
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: but I know what happens when you turn pro That

935
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 2: money is different. Oh, before I get to the Olympic,

936
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 2: when did you realize that? Like I was really like that, Yeah,

937
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 2: I think.

938
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: Uh so we were going to one of your amateur fights.

939
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: Somewhere we drove. I don't remember if we were up

940
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: like maybe towards Benetia, somewhere in that direction. And I

941
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: remember before we left the house because I was living

942
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 1: with a million virgin you at the time, and I

943
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: remember turning the virgin saying he's gonna win, right, like

944
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: he's gonna win.

945
00:45:58,960 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: You know.

946
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about like what is my reaction going to be, Like, Okay,

947
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: if you lose, all better luck next time? You know

948
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: what am I gonna say? And verds like he's got

949
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: this like trust me, like you're good, Like he's going

950
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: to blow through this. He's gonna do da da da da.

951
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 2: And then what I do?

952
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: You know you did it, you know, and it was

953
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: it was something about the way that you would talk

954
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: to me and you still do even now, right, there's

955
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: just a mode that you kind of switch into when

956
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: you say, hey, listen and you're casting vision and saying

957
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: this is the plan, and like when I hear that

958
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: from you, I'm like, oh, okay, that's the direction because

959
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: I've I mean, we've been doing this now for over

960
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: what is it, twenty five twenty six years, So even

961
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: then it was like, listen, this is what I'm gonna do.

962
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: Here's the plan, and it just I didn't really have

963
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: anything but your word to go off of, but I

964
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: think it was something in your voice that had me

965
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: fully persuaded, like this is what's gonna happen, because he

966
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: said it.

967
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 2: You know, faith is contagious, you know, just like fear

968
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: is contagious, and Verge is a man of faith, you

969
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like he I think that's something

970
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 2: that's been in his life for a long time. And

971
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: he's also like almost he's prophetic in many ways. He

972
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 2: can see things up ahead, you know, and it's like

973
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: that's just been drilled in me since I've been a kid,

974
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 2: and I was putting in the work to make it happen.

975
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: I had my moments where I strayed and did my thing.

976
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 2: But like the gold never changed. So for me, like

977
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 2: you know, it's like when you fight there some other

978
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 2: countries and Cubans, Russians, like they know, like it's it's

979
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 2: gold medal or bus we win gold, we win gold.

980
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: It's not even about well, I hope I meddle. That's

981
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 2: that's some americanized stuff that we talk about here them

982
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 2: other countries, like it's it's win or die. It's it's

983
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 2: it's half success in in and give respect or you're

984
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: gonna be at the bottom of the food food food chain.

985
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,280
Speaker 2: So I was the same way, you know, and Verger's

986
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: faith got contagious on me. And then I learned that

987
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 2: I was feeling when he was saying too, and then

988
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 2: I just ran with it, man, and and it happened.

989
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 2: You know, I found myself in the two thousand and

990
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 2: four Olympic Games. It just went to war and you

991
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: was trying to come and I was like nope, because

992
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 2: it was crazy like they would they would brief us,

993
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 2: like the Olympic teams like all right, look, we got

994
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 2: to have a secret service member. You know, the chances

995
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 2: of you know, a worldwide you know threat to us

996
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 2: is very high, and we weren't popular at.

997
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: That time, and I think they were even talking about

998
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: like that's when there was like anthrax you can get anthracks.

999
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 2: Things. They were talking about everything.

1000
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: Man.

1001
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 2: So I'm like, but I but the way Verse trained

1002
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,720
Speaker 2: me was always isolate yourself, lock in, don't let family

1003
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: be a distraction. I know they want to come, but

1004
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 2: this is this is this is a vacation for them,

1005
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 2: so to speak, but this is this has work for you.

1006
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: So I just had that that mindset.

1007
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: Man.

1008
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I said, Man, I feel bad, but

1009
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: y'all can't come. You know you weren't happy about that.

1010
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: No, that was that was tough. I wanted to be there.

1011
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: I wanted to support. I knew that this this was it, like,

1012
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: this is what we had talked about, you know, for

1013
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: the last few years, and man, we're finally here and

1014
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: it was a big deal. And I wanted to be

1015
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: there for you and you know, for you to see me,

1016
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: you know, in the crowd and you know, to experience that.

1017
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: And so it was kind of tough, you know, but

1018
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 1: at the same time I totally understood, you know. It

1019
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: was it was, you know, you're protecting me, like I

1020
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: don't know what to expect going over here, and I

1021
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: don't want to have to worry about you, you know,

1022
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: roaming around or is someone gonna think that you're an

1023
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: American and snatch you up or whatever.

1024
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 2: You know.

1025
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: Plus we had the kids and it was like what

1026
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: do I do with the boys, and you know.

1027
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 2: So all of that, and I seen my Olympic teammates

1028
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: they would have family come, like we were in the village,

1029
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 2: and then on the off days we would fight and

1030
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 2: then have two days off, they would have family come

1031
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 2: and they ripping and running in Greece, giving up energy

1032
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 2: and as the tournament goes on. That's what people don't

1033
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,720
Speaker 2: know about the Olympics, Like it's not just you fighting

1034
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 2: another fighter. It's also it's an endurance. It's a test

1035
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: of endurance because you're fighting a lot of pressure and

1036
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,439
Speaker 2: then you have an you have an adrenaline dump where

1037
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 2: now you you exhausted, but you still gotta make weight.

1038
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 2: You still got to train and stay sharp and then

1039
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: you're gonna fight again. And who can keep that up

1040
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: for that week or two week period without falling off

1041
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: a cliff And a lot of a lot of guys

1042
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 2: you saw fall off a cliff Day two day three

1043
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: because they're still making weight, so they got to hold

1044
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 2: their weight. They can't really eat. They're working out to

1045
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 2: stay sharp but also to lose weight. And then family

1046
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: members can we go buy their village. I be wanting

1047
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: to see the Olympic village my whole life. They get

1048
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 2: passes to come in. I'm in my bed, sleep bro

1049
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 2: been out for six hours and the heat in Athens

1050
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 2: grease and then now he has to change clothes and

1051
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 2: he has to train. So that's the stuff that Verde

1052
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 2: is drilling in me, Like baby, just commit to this, yeah,

1053
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 2: and you won't be sorry. So it'd be tough, man.

1054
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 2: It's like you got to you gotta sacrifice, man. And

1055
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 2: you know, so we had the fan was back home,

1056
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 2: y'all are watching on the news, like what were you

1057
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 2: thinking when like you seen me win, and like like

1058
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 2: the whole world has stood still to watch.

1059
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it was it was amazing. It was exciting

1060
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: that number one, that you actually are here and you're

1061
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: doing everything that you said that you were going to do.

1062
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: But then to see you just knocking these dudes down

1063
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: like one at a time, Like oh my gosh, he's

1064
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: in the next round, he's moving up he's in the

1065
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: next round. I mean, it was pretty surreal watching it

1066
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: at home. But at the same time, it's an interesting

1067
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: feeling because you know, in your in your mind you're

1068
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: fully persuaded that this is going to happen, right like

1069
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: when it happened, because you said it. You know, like,

1070
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: this is this is the goal, this is what we're

1071
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: gonna do. He's going to have that gold. But then

1072
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: and watching it, it's just like this surreal moment, like

1073
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: this is actually happening.

1074
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

1075
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: So, I mean, it was pretty awesome. I mean, seeing everything,

1076
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: you know, play out exactly what we had talked about.

1077
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 2: I'm heading home after I want to go medal, and

1078
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 2: then you know, I'm talking to some managers, but really

1079
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 2: I'm talking to James Prince. You know, that's that's the

1080
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: manager I was locked in on at that time. And

1081
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 2: then my flight gets diverted from getting back to the

1082
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 2: Bay to Houston, and you're like, why are you going

1083
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 2: to Houston. I'm like, man, I'm just I'm gonna stay

1084
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 2: out there. A couple of days. You said, don't sign nothing.

1085
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 2: I signed nothing, and I had, you know, my business

1086
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 2: acumen and all that stuff. You know, I had good instincts,

1087
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 2: but I was still learning.

1088
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: I was like, if any contract comes across your table,

1089
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: I need to see it.

1090
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 2: I was like, look for sure, I got you. We

1091
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 2: ain't not here to do that. Then I signed a contract,

1092
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 2: signed the ion. What was you thinking about?

1093
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 1: I was mad? I was mad. I was pretty mad.

1094
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 2: So I held on for a couple of days though.

1095
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: Signed the contract and came home. And I think I

1096
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 1: read through some things afterwards, because I remember all saying,

1097
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: let me see the contract, let me see the contract,

1098
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 1: and he showed me, and I wasn't. I wasn't happy,

1099
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: yeah about the contract.

1100
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's just, you know, man, that's a lesson.

1101
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 2: I didn't have to learn the hard way. But you know,

1102
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 2: for me that changed everything in terms of like like

1103
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 2: growing up from a business standpoint, you know. And it

1104
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 2: wasn't like, you know, Jay is getting over and nothing

1105
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 2: like that, but it's just you know, in negotiations, this

1106
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: party's gonna try to keep as much as they can

1107
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,879
Speaker 2: and give as little as possible. And then you're trying

1108
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 2: to keep as much as you can and give as

1109
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 2: little as possible. You want to try to be fair,

1110
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 2: but sometimes that fairs is that's subjective.

1111
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,919
Speaker 1: Like you say all the time, you don't get what's fair,

1112
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: you get what you negotiate. And I think I understood

1113
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: that too, like really early on, Like, man, listen, and

1114
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: I'm thankful for Jay. You know, Jay has been a

1115
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: blessing and his family, you know, people around him, so

1116
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,800
Speaker 1: grateful for them. However, I think there's some things that

1117
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: could have been a little bit different, you know, had

1118
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: you listen to me and not signed that first contract.

1119
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, boy, through that cash on the bed by man,

1120
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 2: he through that stack. Boy, I said, ooh, I've never

1121
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 2: seen that much money in my life, much less in cash.

1122
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 2: But you learn, though, you know, I got you know,

1123
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 2: you learn, you learn, and me and him have had

1124
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 2: great conversations about that since then. We've talked about it

1125
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 2: on camera off camera, and it you know, I learned

1126
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 2: a lot, man. I learned to trust you more, and

1127
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 2: I learned to, you know, do my homework more. I

1128
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: just grew up, you know, And I think from there, man,

1129
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 2: we both just became bulldogs about contracts, about negotiation and

1130
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 2: just about you know, just really understanding that.

1131
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: Man.

1132
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 2: You know what, you got a team and it's a team.

1133
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 2: But like in this boxing game, no matter who walks

1134
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 2: into the ring with me. Everybody's walking down those steps

1135
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 2: and I'm the only one left, me and this other person.

1136
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 2: And if I lose tonight, you guys go on and

1137
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 2: managing and promoting other people what you should. But I

1138
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 2: have to there's a place where I have to understand

1139
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 2: that I need to get as much as I can.

1140
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 2: I need to secure and I just look at the

1141
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 2: number because a lot of time we just looked at

1142
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 2: how much am I getting? No, no, no, no, it's

1143
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 2: all that other lands right, it's the term, it's clauses

1144
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 2: in there. If you do this, this contract is voided

1145
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 2: all of that stuff. I learned that through you know,

1146
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 2: the early j situation and just you know, just finding

1147
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 2: my way. Man, I learned it. And I've also learned

1148
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 2: a lot of business from J. Man. You know, me

1149
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 2: and Jay haven't had any issues well, you know, throughout

1150
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 2: my career. All the time we ever have any friction

1151
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 2: is around contract time, which is understandable. You know, it

1152
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 2: comes with the territory. But you know, so my how

1153
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 2: was the pro game different? When you seeing me fight

1154
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 2: these pro fights? Now it's not for play, head gear off,

1155
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 2: shirt off, like, it's a different ballgame. You got somebody

1156
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 2: in the crowd talking about your mama. You got somebody

1157
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 2: in the crowd talking about your wife, like it's lit.

1158
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:24,959
Speaker 2: You're trying to fight, and you hear all these different things.

1159
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 2: Alcohol is served, they want blood. What was that that,

1160
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 2: you know, that early scene, Like for you.

1161
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:36,919
Speaker 1: It was interesting just being a you know, a fight,

1162
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 1: Like I watched fights growing up with my dad, but

1163
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: never thought that I would just be like thrust into

1164
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: that world. And it was interesting.

1165
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 2: You know.

1166
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: There were definitely moments of you know, just hearing people

1167
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: shouting and oh, he's gonna get murdered in there, all

1168
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff that people would say, Yeah,

1169
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:56,320
Speaker 1: it's just like, man, okay. I think through that I

1170
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:00,280
Speaker 1: learned like the value of holding my piece right, because

1171
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 1: I think sometimes people just want to fight, people want

1172
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: to be heard, people have a lot to say, and

1173
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: everyone's fighting for their opinion to be known and all

1174
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: of that. And I think I learned really early on

1175
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: the value of holding my peace, Like I don't have

1176
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: to defend. I don't have to you know, you're yelling

1177
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: in my ear behind me, Oh yeah, your husband's gonna

1178
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: you know or whatever. If they knew that you know

1179
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: you or my husband. I don't have to defend. I

1180
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: don't have to say anything I can. I can hold

1181
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: my peace because you're gonna do all the talking right

1182
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: here in the ring. Yeah, so at the end of

1183
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: the day, when your hand is raised, I could just yeah, okay, yeah,

1184
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: what was that you were saying?

1185
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 2: On? And I kept you in that winter circle too,

1186
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right circle, That's right. It's a different world,

1187
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,919
Speaker 2: you know, and it's you know, like we we found

1188
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 2: our way, you know, like like how much are we

1189
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 2: gonna show to people? And and you know how our

1190
00:57:58,200 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 2: kids are we gonna let them go to the fights.

1191
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 2: So all this stuff you got to figure out. And

1192
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 2: we're still young twenty one, two, twenty three, trying to

1193
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 2: figure out. We got more money than we ever had,

1194
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 2: we got family drama. You know what I'm saying, Hey,

1195
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 2: can I you know I'm your uncle, Can I get

1196
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 2: you know? All of that said, you're trying to figure

1197
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 2: it out out, You're trying to be a good business

1198
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 2: man and woman. You're trying to raise your kids. You know,

1199
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 2: I'm a believer in a sport that's like it ain't

1200
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 2: no rules. This was the wild wild West in fact,

1201
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: why are you how you're gonna be a Christian to

1202
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 2: be a boxer anyway? Like dealing with that, it was interesting.

1203
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 2: It was interesting just trying to mature in all these

1204
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 2: different areas. Like it wasn't like we had no kids,

1205
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 2: and it's like, man, we get to try to learn

1206
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 2: each other and grow together and then we're gonna have

1207
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 2: kids down the road, Like we had kids early, we

1208
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 2: got married early.

1209
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had to figure it out. And I'm grateful

1210
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: that we weren't figuring it out alone, Like we had

1211
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: the Lord to lean into and you know, I could pray, Lord,

1212
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: give me wisdom with this. I don't know what to do.

1213
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: I mean there were so many moments too where maybe

1214
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: a bad article or something would come out and I'm like,

1215
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: who is this? Per Oh John, what's your name is?

1216
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: I just want to take on my keyboard and you know,

1217
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, okay, reel it in, Like, Lord,

1218
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: help me to forgive this person. They have no idea

1219
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: what they're talking about. And really all this stuff is lies.

1220
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: This is crazy. You know, it was trial by fire, right,

1221
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: we were just on the job. Boom, here you go

1222
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: learn figure it out. And I see people blowing it. Right,

1223
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: we see people all the time in the news just there. Man,

1224
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: it's easy to blow it just making wrong decisions. I mean,

1225
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: there's hundreds of little decisions that have to be made daily.

1226
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: And like you said, even with kids, how much exposure

1227
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: do we give our kids? And you know, how much

1228
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: exposure do we allow, you know, like we want to

1229
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: protect our kids, right, and we don't want people just

1230
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: you know, having access, yeah, but also letting them see.

1231
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: You know, we're your regular average family. You know, we

1232
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: love our babies. And I'm at the school volunteering as

1233
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: much as possible in the classroom, you know, And this

1234
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: is who we are and this is what I love

1235
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: to do. Like I don't you talked about earlier just

1236
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: not being in the media and not being out there.

1237
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: I don't, yeah, for the wrong reason, Like I don't

1238
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 1: need my voice to be heard and I don't need

1239
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: to be the person that is standing up on a

1240
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: pedestal with something to say. It's like, no, I want

1241
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: my life to speak, you know. I want, you know,

1242
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: everything that I do to be Like we talk about

1243
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: all the time for an audience of one, and obviously

1244
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: we're talking about the Lord and that, but then also

1245
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: for you, like if if you're not pleased with me

1246
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: as a wife, as a mother, if my kids aren't

1247
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: pleased with you know, me as a as a mom,

1248
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 1: you know, man, then I'm not doing a good job,

1249
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: like I'm failing my family, and I don't want that,

1250
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: like I want to. People always talk about success, right, like, oh, yeah,

1251
01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: I'm successful. You're not successful until you have successful you know.

1252
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: And so that's always been really important, you know, for

1253
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: me personally, it's like my job here matters. It's important,

1254
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: like I'm training this next generation, you know. And I'm

1255
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: so grateful for every opportunity that I've had with our

1256
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: own kids, with other people's kids, I mean now being

1257
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: a youth pastor getting to pour into the lives of

1258
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: other teenagers and yeah, a minister and constantly being in

1259
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: the school system and you know, juggling dates and stuff

1260
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: like I gotta go talk to the junior high kids soon.

1261
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for those things. Like that's true success

1262
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: when you have successors behind you, and that's important.

1263
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 2: Talk to me about the ladies, like the ladies, like

1264
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 2: you know, how you how you dealt with like me

1265
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 2: being around women, you know, people I work with, you know,

1266
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 2: and then just people in the streets you just take

1267
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 2: a picture with y'all. Like and for me, like I've

1268
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 2: always tried to, you know, make sure that I'm honoring

1269
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 2: God but also honoring my wife with you know, like

1270
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 2: what how I'm moving, like what I'm doing. But then

1271
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 2: also optics like you know, subscription aboutle that said, don't

1272
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 2: even give the appearance of evil. And that's hard sometimes,

1273
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 2: you know, because stuff like you, you in the world

1274
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 2: and stuff is moving fast. And those times where you know,

1275
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 2: I done been out and about and somebody stick their

1276
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 2: head in here and take a picture real quick, and

1277
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 2: I'm like brou like dude, like you know, and it

1278
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 2: stuff happens. So it's like I got to trust God

1279
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 2: with those moments. But I'm just saying, like, really, my

1280
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 2: heart is to always honor you. So like if if

1281
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 2: I'm taking a picture, I'm not finna be hugged up

1282
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 2: with some female, you know, like a lot of times,

1283
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 2: like if I'm taking a picture with somebody, it's like

1284
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 2: I may not even be touching it back like that

1285
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 2: because I just I be trying to stay away from

1286
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 2: all that stuff just a out of respect for you,

1287
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 2: and then be I ain't got time for the drummer,

1288
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 2: you know, but from you perspective, just seeing me navigate

1289
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 2: throughout the throughout this whole thing, Like how's it been

1290
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 2: for you?

1291
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's it. What you said is honor,

1292
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: you know, And I think that's what has always come

1293
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: across to me, is that you honor and you respect me,

1294
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: and not just me, but first and foremost the Lord.

1295
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: You know, you have such a great honor and respect

1296
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: for the Lord that I want to do what's right.

1297
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 2: You know.

1298
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: I know that there's gonna be fans, there's gonna be

1299
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:34,439
Speaker 1: people male and female that come across, and I want

1300
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 1: to represent God, but I also want to represent my wife,

1301
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: my family well, and that's always come across to me.

1302
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's ever been an issue for me.

1303
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 1: I mean, there's times where there's some women in different

1304
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: locations we are that's just kind of like okay, But

1305
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: I've watched you just navigate so well with things like that.

1306
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 1: You know, you're not gonna take a picture with some

1307
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: naked or you know, you've you've had women, Oh can

1308
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: you sign right here? You're like, absolutely not, and you've

1309
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: done that. Whether I'm there or whether I'm not, you know,

1310
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: because you'll come home and you'll tell me, man, this

1311
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: girl try to get me to sign here and do this.

1312
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: And I think the transparency and openness, you know, is

1313
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: really big too, because I think sometimes people don't have

1314
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:29,439
Speaker 1: that kind of relationship where they're open and they're talking

1315
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: about things like that. But you would always come back

1316
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 1: and say, Man, this happened or that happened, or man,

1317
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: I got this random message on ig and blah blah

1318
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 1: blah blah. This person is blocked, you know. And I

1319
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: think just that openness and that truth I've never wavered in,

1320
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: like my faith or anything like that. I mean, probably

1321
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 1: because I think I remember one time I think, yeah,

1322
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: we were in one time.

1323
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 2: No, it was we were walking and people tell me

1324
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 2: I'm finna gonna meet andre Ward or something. They don't

1325
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 2: know my wife.

1326
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 1: You didn't have some of them too, Yeah, some of

1327
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: those moments are like there was a girl that was like, oh,

1328
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 1: that's my man right there, that's my man. I was like, no, honey,

1329
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 1: that's my man. You know, man, I gotta let it

1330
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: be known, you know, with something like like that, right,

1331
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: what did she doing back that she was like, Oh,

1332
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: you got it. You got it.

1333
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I got it.

1334
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 1: You know, so it is what it is. But you know,

1335
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: most of the time with things like that, you just

1336
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 1: you handle it.

1337
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 2: I'll be trying, man, like you know, again, it's trial

1338
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 2: by fire, learning on the job. I learned that from

1339
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 2: my pastor, Napoleon Kauffman. Is that, like you know, I like,

1340
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 2: if you creeping as a man, you may not appreciate this,

1341
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 2: But if you're trying to honor the woman that you're

1342
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 2: walking with that's next to you, then you may appreciate this.

1343
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 2: But like he was like, man with stuff like that,

1344
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 2: if anything like that, I mean, I try my wife immediately,

1345
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 2: and I just think it's a good it's a good

1346
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 2: system for us because it's like, you know, I had

1347
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 2: a crazy message the other day on Instagram. It's like,

1348
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 2: and I'm thankful to God. God really be shielding me

1349
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 2: from a lot of stuff because I know things could

1350
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 2: be a lot worse, and I think he protects me

1351
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 2: from a lot of it where I don't have to

1352
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 2: deal with a lot of stuff. Then people know kind

1353
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 2: of how I move and what I stand on, So

1354
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 2: I think that's part of it. But then ever, now

1355
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 2: and again something get through. So but I but I

1356
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 2: will show you, like, man, look at this. It's crazy.

1357
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 2: Look what she said, Look what she Look what she's

1358
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 2: trying to do. And I think that that that's that's

1359
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 2: good for us, fellas, I'm dropping some nuggets. That's good

1360
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 2: for us, like to build our relationship where you feel like, well,

1361
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 2: I ain't gotta really, you know, because you won't be

1362
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 2: checking my phone and stuff. And I'll be like, she

1363
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 2: don't never want to check my phone. You don't be interested.

1364
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 2: You know, you won't be interested. But like, I try

1365
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 2: to have that dialogue and I try to be open

1366
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 2: and I try to you know, it's tough out there,

1367
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 2: man like, and some women may get offended by this.

1368
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 2: And I've seen women like speak about this and be like,

1369
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 2: oh that's too much, or you think every woman is

1370
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 2: trying to trap you. But it's a lot going on

1371
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 2: in the world. So it's like for me, I try

1372
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 2: to have certain things that I do and I've been

1373
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 2: doing this since I've been young. And if you feel away, hey,

1374
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 2: I ain't nothing I can do about that because in

1375
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 2: my business and in my life, an accusation is a

1376
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 2: l Nobody sticks around to see how it worked out.

1377
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 2: Six months down the road, after your name been drugged

1378
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 2: through the mudd and you fighting for to clear your

1379
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 2: name or to prove whatever, nobody sticks. The first headline

1380
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 2: is this happened, yeah right. And for many people, even

1381
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 2: an accusation is like, yep, I knew he wasn't that clean.

1382
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 2: You know, people would believe what they believe. So, like,

1383
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 2: I have certain things that I do like And I

1384
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 2: learned this from the baseball player Apple Pull hosts. He said,

1385
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 2: I don't get on the elevator with a woman by myself.

1386
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 2: Yeah right. So when he said I was like, dang,

1387
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 2: that's interesting. So when I go into an elevator my

1388
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 2: friends be laughing at me. First thing I do is

1389
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 2: I look up. It's your camera, right, and I hope

1390
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 2: his own. But if I'm gonna be on that elevator

1391
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 2: with that woman by myself, I don't know what you

1392
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:07,959
Speaker 2: on since I don't know you. But that's the point.

1393
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 2: I don't know you. I'm not assuming that you're looking

1394
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 2: at me, want nothing from me, or gonna try to

1395
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 2: do anything or say anything. But I like what we've built.

1396
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 2: It's too valuable to be lazy about it. And for

1397
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 2: some people I've had people in my life I ain't

1398
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 2: gonna say no name. Early on they thought that was like,

1399
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 2: come on, man, really you doing all of that? But

1400
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 2: have sense later down the road was like I get

1401
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 2: it now. And this was before the me too movement

1402
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 2: and all of that, and it ain't got nothing to

1403
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 2: do with that. This is just me trying to keep

1404
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 2: myself in the best position to win represent God but

1405
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 2: also to honor you. So it's like stuff like that,

1406
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 2: or like, yeah, I just try to move the way

1407
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 2: that I feel I need to move. And however people

1408
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 2: feel about it, they feel about it because it ain't

1409
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 2: gonna be your name drug through the muzz gonna be mine, right,

1410
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 2: So I gotta do what I feel I need to do.

1411
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 2: But it's just certain things like that or certain other

1412
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 2: things I do that like I just feel like now

1413
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 2: I need to get up out of here, or nah,

1414
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 2: let me let me bring my wife over here, Hey

1415
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 2: come here, Like if I just I just I just

1416
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 2: try to move like that, man. And that's not for everybody,

1417
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 2: but you know it's been for us, and I you know,

1418
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 2: I've always tried to like just make sure that you

1419
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 2: you feel comfortable, whether I'm in your presence or away

1420
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 2: from your presence, you know, because you know I'm gonna

1421
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 2: bring it some crazy abb and I'm gonna bring it up.

1422
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:21,560
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about it.

1423
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 1: No, that's always been felt over the years, and it's

1424
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 1: a blessing. It's a blessing. Like you said, I don't

1425
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 1: I don't have to check your phone, Like I don't

1426
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 1: feel the need to check your phone. You know, a

1427
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 1: woman's gonna know, a woman is gonna know.

1428
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 2: You know, this is what it is. That's why y'all

1429
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 2: can get caught because you don't respect the instincts and

1430
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 2: the intuition that these women have. Bro Listen, you start tripping,

1431
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 2: they don't know, So don't even do it. Just just

1432
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 2: don't do it, because they gonna know. You have a

1433
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 2: phone in the in the attic, a third phone in

1434
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 2: the addict, not a not a second phone, but a

1435
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 2: third phone in the addict. It's in the attict. All

1436
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 2: of a sudden, you come home that phone right there

1437
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 2: on this Yeah, I don't know. I was up in

1438
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 2: the attic. I just felt like I needed to go

1439
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:08,679
Speaker 2: in there. There's a phone up there. It was turned

1440
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 2: off straight up. So just don't do it.

1441
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 1: It never put me in that kind of position, Just

1442
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:15,560
Speaker 1: don't do it.

1443
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 2: I've always thought we was younger though before we got married,

1444
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 2: you know, we both as tripping you know, here and there.

1445
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 2: But even then it'd be like, I'm gonna leave that alone.

1446
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 2: But just say the instincts, Eutrey, I'm gonna just say that.

1447
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say that training camp started off four week

1448
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 2: camps early on, you know, five weekends, and then you

1449
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 2: get into a championship level fights. For like from two

1450
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:42,719
Speaker 2: thousand and eight nine to the rest of my career,

1451
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:44,600
Speaker 2: we're doing we're doing eight week camp, seven seven eight

1452
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 2: week camp, Like, how was that for you?

1453
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: Training camp was was tough? How was I?

1454
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 2: In training camp?

1455
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 1: You were you were not great good, You had some

1456
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 1: good days, you have some good days, but most of

1457
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 1: the time it was it was tough, right because I

1458
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: cried every time you left, you know, when the day

1459
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:09,679
Speaker 1: came and you were getting ready to pack up everything

1460
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 1: and you were driving off to go stay you know

1461
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 1: in an apartment or whatever. I mean, I cried every

1462
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 1: single till the very last fight. I cried every day, sorry,

1463
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 1: not every day that first day, every single camp, and

1464
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 1: you know I would feel just that heaviness and that depression,

1465
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 1: and you know, it was tough because I couldn't even

1466
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:37,759
Speaker 1: sit in it. I couldn't. I had little ones depending

1467
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 1: on me to you know, what's for dinner? What's you know? Okay,

1468
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 1: we've got basketball or football practice, soccer practice, you know,

1469
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 1: piano lessons or whatever was going on where I just

1470
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: wanted to just sit in a dark room and just oh,

1471
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 1: my husband is gone training camp, you know, and I

1472
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 1: just I think it goes back to what I was saying,

1473
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 1: just that training as a kid, to just get up

1474
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 1: and go, come on, pull yourself together and get it done. Yeah,

1475
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 1: so it would be you know, tough, and that may

1476
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 1: be like a pizza night that night, right for the kids.

1477
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 1: I'm not cooking, you know, we're gonna go to sports

1478
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 1: and all the stuff we have to do. Here's some pizza, Okay,

1479
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 1: everybody go, y'all are good? All right, I'm going over here.

1480
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: And you know, I kept thinking, oh, the next time,

1481
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 1: it'll get easier. But it never did. It never did.

1482
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 1: It was very hard. I try to keep you in

1483
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 1: the loop as much as possible when you're away for

1484
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,719
Speaker 1: those eight weeks. You know, hey, this is what happened.

1485
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:43,679
Speaker 1: With Dre Junior. This is what's going on with Emira,

1486
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 1: you know, things like that. But I also knew when

1487
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 1: to kind of let you be like, Okay, I don't

1488
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 1: need to bring you into that. I'll just kind of

1489
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: handle this and deal with that. I'll let you know,

1490
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:59,719
Speaker 1: you know, up the road. This is what happened, because

1491
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: I know that, man, if you weren't on your way

1492
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: to training getting up in the morning, pushing a car

1493
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 1: doing some kind of crazy something. You know, then you're

1494
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,719
Speaker 1: resting because you're getting ready for the next training session

1495
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:14,679
Speaker 1: and the last thing you wanted to hear is well,

1496
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: the boys were fighting and this happened, and that happened.

1497
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 1: It's like, no, I got it. Let me just handle this,

1498
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 1: deal with that, and I'll loop you in up the road,

1499
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 1: you know. But it was hard because you know, it

1500
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 1: was like my best friend is gone, and I want

1501
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:32,680
Speaker 1: to tell you, you know, man, I was at the

1502
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: store today and this happened, and that happened, but it's

1503
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 1: it's not yeah, and it just wasn't like time for that,

1504
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 1: Like I can't tell you what happened at the store,

1505
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 1: and you know, Costco had to sell or whatever's going on,

1506
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 1: you know, that wasn't important right now. So those moments

1507
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 1: were really really tough, and I had to be you know,

1508
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 1: kind of a single parent you know, for that, Yeah,

1509
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 1: for that period of time. And so it's interesting because nowadays,

1510
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,560
Speaker 1: you know, I have you know, moms come up to

1511
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 1: me and and they'll ask me about that, like, man,

1512
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:07,600
Speaker 1: how in the world did you do that? Like my

1513
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 1: husband leaves for a weekend and I'm losing it, you know,

1514
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 1: with the kids, and and I'm like, oh, I can

1515
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 1: speak to that. I can I can lend to that.

1516
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 1: And it's a tremendous blessing to be able to, you know,

1517
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 1: help other people because it is tough. It's tough. Your

1518
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 1: your life kind of gets shaken up for that period

1519
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:29,559
Speaker 1: of time and you're trying to you know, be mom

1520
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 1: and dad and manage and and especially when you're talking

1521
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 1: about you know, you've got teenage boys going through puberty,

1522
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 1: and like, you know how boys can be too with

1523
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 1: you know, they love their mamas. But it's also like, oh,

1524
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 1: dad's not here, I can kind of test the waters

1525
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 1: a little bit, and it's like I've got to be

1526
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit tougher. You know, they're like, nah,

1527
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 1: that's not what we're doing. That's not what we're not

1528
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 1: getting away with nothing, you know. And so you know,

1529
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 1: the boys will they have those stories where it's like, man,

1530
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 1: I can't I believe mom left me at school that time.

1531
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 1: Like I had to let them know, No, I mean business.

1532
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 1: You know, Oh, y'all want to play around when I

1533
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 1: come up to the school and you're you know, I

1534
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:12,759
Speaker 1: gotta go find you with your friends. No, I'm leaving.

1535
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 1: You're you're gonna walk home. You're gonna figure it out,

1536
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 1: you know. And uh And as a blessing because you know,

1537
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 1: it shaped them to who they are. But I mean

1538
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 1: when you would come home from training camp, it was

1539
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 1: just like you come right on in and Okay, dad's home.

1540
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 1: Here we go, and it was an adjustment you talk

1541
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 1: like yeah.

1542
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 2: And fixing itself, like, hey, why that's like that? Now

1543
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 2: we're not doing that? Hey, why they going to be

1544
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 2: so so early? They can stay up a little bit later.

1545
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:44,560
Speaker 2: I have my sister and you come in here and

1546
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 2: being being letting them stay up another hour, Like yeah,

1547
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 2: training camp is the hardest thing for me, not the

1548
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 2: physical work. I'm a grinder. I'm gonna work. That's one

1549
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 2: thing but like it was that and then like being

1550
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 2: away from y'all, like to me, being a training camp,

1551
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 2: it was like a sick feeling and a pit of

1552
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 2: my stomach, like I knew. The encouraging thing was I

1553
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 2: knew I was supposed to be in training camp. I'm like, Lord,

1554
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 2: you gotta help me. If you want me to do this,

1555
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 2: you gotta help me. You got to take care of

1556
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 2: my family. I need you to give me the strength,

1557
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 2: give my wife the strength. That was like one of

1558
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 2: my biggest prayers. You was like, Lord, just give it

1559
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 2: a strength.

1560
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: Because the other part of it, too was that it

1561
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 1: wasn't always like a convenient time like we chose like, oh, okay,

1562
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 1: you know March, there's nothing really happening in the family,

1563
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 1: You'll go for eight weeks. It would just be like, hey,

1564
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 1: here's a fight date, make it work. And a lot

1565
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 1: of a lot of those dates were in November, so holiday,

1566
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 1: you know holidays, or it's like the end of November,

1567
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:37,560
Speaker 1: so it's like you're gone. How many Thanksgivings were you

1568
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 1: not home? And it was hard. It was very, very hard,

1569
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 1: and I thank God for you know, family, friends, church, family,

1570
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 1: people that you know were very supportive during those times.

1571
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 1: But it was it was rough.

1572
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 2: You know.

1573
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 1: It was like, man, do I cook and do the

1574
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 1: whole Thanksgiving thing? I don't have my other half here.

1575
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:01,559
Speaker 1: This is very difficult, but wanting to maintain certain things

1576
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:04,679
Speaker 1: for the kids, and man, it was it was rough.

1577
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 1: It was rough. And people don't see that part, right,

1578
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 1: They just see lights, camera action. They see oh, you

1579
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 1: winning and getting your hand raised, but they don't see

1580
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 1: the journey. They don't understand the process. And I think

1581
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:21,639
Speaker 1: that's just a lesson for you know, everyone out there. Man,

1582
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 1: you can see a person on a pedestal. That's amazing, man,

1583
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:29,640
Speaker 1: handclap all those things. But man, understand, there was a

1584
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:33,600
Speaker 1: journey to get to that pedestal. There was a process

1585
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 1: that that person had to go through and a lot

1586
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 1: of times will never know we'll never know the you know,

1587
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 1: the underlying things that had to take place to get

1588
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:47,640
Speaker 1: that person to that point. And yeah, people, people just

1589
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:49,759
Speaker 1: didn't see that part of the journey.

1590
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 2: They're part training. Care was the worst because I was

1591
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 2: away from y'all, the training part, getting together with my guys.

1592
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,560
Speaker 2: I let it. But yeah, that was that was a

1593
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:01,639
Speaker 2: tough point for me. What about the surgeries and stuff

1594
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 2: I didne have had injuries through wearing tear. I had,

1595
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 2: you know, my big knee injury came from playing basketball.

1596
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 2: For me, It's difficult, you know, but it helped me

1597
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 2: grow up. I start realizing that, man, ain't nobody here

1598
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 2: three in the morning, four in the morning, we head

1599
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 2: into the surgery center. But but you yeah, right, nobody's

1600
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:21,439
Speaker 2: here when I wake up from surgery. But you yeah,

1601
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:23,600
Speaker 2: it was nobody else. I really had to grow up

1602
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 2: with that. With that, and I really learned to take

1603
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 2: care of my body to try to keep myself out of,

1604
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 2: you know, the surgery room. And but you know, also

1605
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 2: grind it really hard. You know what I'm saying. It's

1606
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:33,680
Speaker 2: like I just I work my body. So you do

1607
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 2: that fifteen twenty years, you gonna have stuff come up.

1608
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 2: But like, you know, how are you dealing with that stuff?

1609
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 2: You know, being in surgery, being off six months, eight

1610
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 2: months whatever? It was?

1611
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:47,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that was you know, another one of

1612
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,800
Speaker 1: those Yeah, it was another one of those things that

1613
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 1: was pretty difficult at times trying to you know, trying

1614
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 1: to work through it, but trying to be supportive and

1615
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 1: be there for you and help you up the stairs

1616
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 1: or in the bed or whatever needed to happen. Just

1617
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:10,640
Speaker 1: taking care of you was such you know, it was

1618
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 1: it was a privilege, right in an honor and like

1619
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:17,680
Speaker 1: you're my husband, and I want like you to be

1620
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 1: at your best. And it was so hard seeing some

1621
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:25,640
Speaker 1: of those moments, like the shoulder surgery or even the

1622
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 1: knee surgeries. I mean they were pretty scary, like wait

1623
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 1: a minute, is this career ending? What's going to happen?

1624
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 1: Like what are we going to do? And you know,

1625
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 1: I think, like you said, not really having a big

1626
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:42,720
Speaker 1: support system. You know, people there like, hey, do you

1627
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 1: guys need any meals? We had you know, we definitely had.

1628
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 2: That, but I'm like moment to moment, like day to day.

1629
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 2: You know, my mom helped out, you know, really would

1630
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 2: help out, like we had some help, but you know,

1631
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 2: like like them them two three in the mornings, it's

1632
01:19:59,160 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 2: just you.

1633
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't always easy. Yeah, and like you said,

1634
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 1: even the physical therapy. I mean, I remember, you know,

1635
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 1: you're going to San Francisco early. We would drop you know,

1636
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 1: kids off at school and then take the drive out

1637
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 1: there and I usually had one of the little ones

1638
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 1: in tow and just coming to support, just trying to

1639
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 1: be there for you every step of the way, you know,

1640
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 1: and wanting you to get back to a place of health.

1641
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 1: But then also like if I'm down, You're there to

1642
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 1: pick me up right, Like we can't both be like

1643
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 1: struggling and be knocked down and like, oh what are

1644
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 1: we gonna do? And you know, so those were moments

1645
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 1: where you were knocked down and it's like I knew

1646
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 1: that I had to be there to help to pick

1647
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 1: you up right, and it was just important not just

1648
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: for your career whether you come back and continue on

1649
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 1: this path of success, but for you as a man.

1650
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 1: You know, this is this is my reasonable service as

1651
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 1: a wife, like I want to support you in every way.

1652
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:09,599
Speaker 1: So you know, I didn't want you going to Pete alone,

1653
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 1: you know, unless I absolutely could not be there because

1654
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 1: of kids or something like that. I didn't want you,

1655
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 1: you know, going to surgery just with you know, oh,

1656
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna have someone just drop me off, and no,

1657
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:24,760
Speaker 1: I want to be there.

1658
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 2: You know.

1659
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:27,640
Speaker 1: I want my face to be the face that you

1660
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 1: see when you wake up from surgery. You know, I

1661
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 1: want to make sure these doctors are doing everything right

1662
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:34,680
Speaker 1: that they're supposed to be doing. I wanted to be

1663
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 1: there to be praying over you while you're in surgery.

1664
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 1: You know, just all of those things were really important

1665
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 1: for me.

1666
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,719
Speaker 2: Man. But God, you know, the cool thing, the cool

1667
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 2: thing about our faith, man, and the blessing about our

1668
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:51,000
Speaker 2: faith is Man, God likes saw through everything. There was

1669
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 2: lessons that we learned, things that you know, I gained

1670
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 2: certain things through these different seasons. You gained certain things,

1671
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 2: and it just it really just strengthened our faith and

1672
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 2: taught us a lot. And it's like, man, something else

1673
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 2: we overcame, something else we got through, and I'm super

1674
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 2: grateful for that, you know. And then we had like

1675
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 2: a two year period with the lawsuit that was the

1676
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 2: whole thing. But then you know, God rewards us coming

1677
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:16,760
Speaker 2: out of that season with this rock Nation situation. You know,

1678
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 2: we negotiated hard with that situation. That was a blessing, man,

1679
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,560
Speaker 2: and that really was the table being set for me

1680
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 2: to make my last run before you know, my career was,

1681
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:29,679
Speaker 2: you know, getting ready to be over what happened fifteen

1682
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 2: to like with three fights, two years and some change.

1683
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 2: So you know, when we fought Cold at the first time,

1684
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 2: obviously I'm keeping you on the loop on the on

1685
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 2: the knee stuff and all that kind of stuff. How

1686
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 2: was you feeling going into that fight, giving all the

1687
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 2: trouble I had in training came with money.

1688
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I was pretty confident that get in there. Yeah,

1689
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:53,719
Speaker 1: I was confident.

1690
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 2: You said pretty confident. I was pretty confident.

1691
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 1: I mean there's a part of you for sure that

1692
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:04,640
Speaker 1: you have to battle right the what ifs, you know,

1693
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 1: that's always there, no matter what it is that we're

1694
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 1: gonna take on in life. You know, the what ifs

1695
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:15,520
Speaker 1: are always swirling around in your mind. But the confidence

1696
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 1: was there that, man, you know what, this is the date,

1697
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 1: this is what you signed up to do. This is

1698
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 1: what you're going to do. You know, God is with you. Man,

1699
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 1: God's been faithful, He's going to continue to be faithful.

1700
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 1: You know. I saw how hard you worked, how hard

1701
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 1: you pushed all of those things. It was a beautiful

1702
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:37,760
Speaker 1: balance between faith and works right, and so I knew

1703
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 1: that no matter what, you're gonna be victorious. You know.

1704
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 1: But there's all this stuff going on, right, all the

1705
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 1: stuff in the media, Oh he killed a man, all

1706
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:49,920
Speaker 1: the you know, all these things were real things. But

1707
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 1: just having that faith and having that confidence that man

1708
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna have your hand raised at the end of

1709
01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 1: the day.

1710
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:58,639
Speaker 2: What about what I got knocked down?

1711
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 1: Though, I think think I was angry. I think people

1712
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 1: see like people talk about that clips where they showed

1713
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 1: my face. I mean, in my mind, I was like,

1714
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 1: you better get up right now, you better get up,

1715
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 1: You better knock him out. You're gonna win this fight,

1716
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 1: you know, No, no, no, absolutely not. So I knew

1717
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 1: that you were going to get up. And then when

1718
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:24,680
Speaker 1: you looked at me and you winked and let me

1719
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 1: know like you're good, I'm like, okay, okay, we're good.

1720
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 1: Come on, let's go, let's go, you know, handle business.

1721
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 2: I took yeah, going into that last fight. We have

1722
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 2: been talking about the retirement thing for a long time,

1723
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 2: and you know, I go through tough periods in the sport.

1724
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I'm you know, tired of this. Man,

1725
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 2: I just want to be I just want to be done.

1726
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,519
Speaker 2: And for for me, like being done was like like

1727
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:48,680
Speaker 2: maintaining my autonomy and my independence build. So I don't

1728
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:50,679
Speaker 2: need to do this, you know. And you would alway

1729
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 2: be like, hey, I don't know hear you, but like,

1730
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 2: you know, I don't think it's time and even going

1731
01:24:56,479 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 2: through the lawsuit, like I wrote up a retirement speech.

1732
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, listen, man, I feel like what I'm fighting

1733
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:06,680
Speaker 2: for is the right thing. You know. These these these arbitrations, uh,

1734
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 2: with the with the CALIFORNI instead of letic commission is

1735
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:10,600
Speaker 2: not going my way. I don't agree with this. I

1736
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 2: don't think I'm getting a fair shot. The way that

1737
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 2: I can maintain my independence is to walk away. You

1738
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 2: can't stop me from doing it, you know. And I

1739
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 2: let you see it, and he was like, ah, good speech.

1740
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 2: I don't think that's it. It ain't time, you know.

1741
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:28,559
Speaker 2: Then I let pastor. I let past He's like, ah,

1742
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:33,760
Speaker 2: it ain't time, you know. And but covid ev one ended.

1743
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 2: I didn't go to the gym for three months. I'm like, man,

1744
01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 2: these people ain't never happy. I just deal with a lot.

1745
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 2: In this training camp, I fought the dude y'all said

1746
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 2: nobody wanted to fight, got off the campus, did it

1747
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 2: the way I did it, beat him, and y'all still

1748
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 2: got something to say. I don't lie. I think I'm done,

1749
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:50,439
Speaker 2: and boom. We ended up taking a second fight. And

1750
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 2: but me and you knew that was it though, you know,

1751
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 2: I told that to Verse for the first time or day.

1752
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:58,560
Speaker 2: He didn't know that. I've never told him that that.

1753
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 2: I knew that that was gonna be my last fight.

1754
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:02,640
Speaker 2: I didn't want him to change anything in training. I

1755
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 2: didn't want him to and I wanted the opportunity to

1756
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 2: back out of the situation if I changed my mind too.

1757
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 2: But but but we knew that was going to be

1758
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:09,680
Speaker 2: the last fight.

1759
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:12,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we had talked about it for a

1760
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 1: little while. Like you said, you wanted you didn't want

1761
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:19,760
Speaker 1: to make it like a permanent thing, just in case.

1762
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 1: And I remember after the second fight with Coovi Lev,

1763
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:27,600
Speaker 1: you were like, you know what, let me just let

1764
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 1: me go to the gym. Let me just go to

1765
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 1: the gym. Let me just kind of shake out a

1766
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 1: little bit, go do what I gotta do. With opportunities

1767
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:38,920
Speaker 1: to pay that pay. They was getting ready to everybody

1768
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:39,720
Speaker 1: was trying to re up.

1769
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1770
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 1: So it's in the morning, I'm getting ready to take

1771
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:45,599
Speaker 1: the kids to school, and then all of a sudden,

1772
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 1: it's like you're on the floor in our room, and

1773
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is going on? And You're like, I

1774
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:53,120
Speaker 1: don't want to go to the gym, man, I just

1775
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 1: I can't do it. I just don't want to take

1776
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:58,160
Speaker 1: any more punches. I don't want to give any more punches.

1777
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 1: And I'm just looking like, whoa, okay, are you gonna

1778
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,559
Speaker 1: be okay? Because I gotta go take these kids to school.

1779
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 2: I'll be back and salted because I'm like, bro, I'm

1780
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 2: out here and spilling my guts you got and You're like, yeah,

1781
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 2: we gotta talk later. I gotta take the kids. I'm

1782
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:15,720
Speaker 2: ever feeling like, Bro, what.

1783
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe you should just go ahead and go

1784
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 1: to the gym and kind of get it all out

1785
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 1: there and then we'll.

1786
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 2: Ever again.

1787
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:28,640
Speaker 1: And I came home and then we started having that conversation,

1788
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 1: and you know, you were so serious, like, you know what,

1789
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 1: I'm done. I don't want to take any more punches.

1790
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 1: I don't want to give any more punches than I

1791
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:39,680
Speaker 1: never really heard you talk like that before. And I

1792
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 1: was like, I think that's it. I was like, babe,

1793
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 1: I think you're done.

1794
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1795
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:46,680
Speaker 1: And when I when I said that, I feel like

1796
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 1: it just kind of did something in you. You were

1797
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 1: like yeah, you were like, man, that's it. My wife

1798
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 1: is in agreement, like that's it. I'm done. I'm done.

1799
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 1: Let me start making phone calls.

1800
01:27:56,040 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 2: I'm done that night. Yeah, that night I didn't sleep

1801
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:03,640
Speaker 2: order and then I just started making phone calls that night.

1802
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:07,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you were happy. I saw you just kind

1803
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 1: of like light up, like, you know what I did

1804
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do in this sport. I mean,

1805
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:15,840
Speaker 1: there were other things that you could have done and

1806
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 1: could have pursued, but for what, for what? You know, yeah,

1807
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 1: in the ring, but it's like for what. It's so

1808
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:29,640
Speaker 1: sad and so tragic to see, you know, some of

1809
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 1: these ex fighters and the condition that they're in, and

1810
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 1: you know, they walk into these rooms just to get

1811
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:39,800
Speaker 1: a little bit of this, you know, but their health

1812
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 1: is bad. You know, they can't put you know, two

1813
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 1: sentences together. I mean, it's just devastating people about it.

1814
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:53,639
Speaker 2: He's punchy, cham I get a picture, but they wish

1815
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:54,760
Speaker 2: stook it, man, And.

1816
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:58,680
Speaker 1: It just breaks my heart to see that. And I knew, like,

1817
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 1: that's not going to be our testament, that's not gonna

1818
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 1: be our story. So you know, I always knew that

1819
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 1: we were gonna know when it was time for you

1820
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 1: to walk away from the sport. Like, hey, appreciate y'all

1821
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:13,679
Speaker 1: did everything. I came here to do you know, set

1822
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 1: my family up in a great position, you know, and

1823
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:20,600
Speaker 1: I'm done. That's it. You know, I care about my

1824
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 1: life beyond boxing, you know, more than a fighter. You know,

1825
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 1: I'm a husband, I'm a dad. You know, I'm a minister,

1826
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 1: I'm a pastor, all those things. Yeah, right, Because retirement

1827
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:33,880
Speaker 1: has been a journey in and of itself. Right, there's

1828
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 1: so many times where you know you're an athlete through

1829
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:40,200
Speaker 1: and through. So it's like you could be retired for

1830
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 1: ten years, twenty years, thirty years, there's still that itch there, like, man, man,

1831
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:47,679
Speaker 1: I still I still got it. Man, I still feel

1832
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:50,760
Speaker 1: it right, And so that's been its own battle. But

1833
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 1: I've seen you just really battle that well, you know,

1834
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 1: and have those moments of man, maybe I could come

1835
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 1: back just for one more, you know, Nah, nah, Man,

1836
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:04,000
Speaker 1: I just I don't want to do it.

1837
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 2: Man.

1838
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good. And I know that's tough. That's

1839
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:11,800
Speaker 1: not just a fighter thing. That's for all athletes, you know,

1840
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 1: it's tough.

1841
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:12,680
Speaker 2: Man.

1842
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:16,519
Speaker 1: When it's time to step away from a sport that

1843
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:20,120
Speaker 1: you've dedicated your entire life to, you know that your

1844
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:25,639
Speaker 1: livelihood is wrapped up into it's hard to walk away.

1845
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 1: From that, you know. But that's why it's so important

1846
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:32,680
Speaker 1: that your identity is not in that thing, because at

1847
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 1: some point you're going to have to walk away. At

1848
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:36,040
Speaker 1: some point, you're going to have to give that up.

1849
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:40,600
Speaker 1: And that goes from even a school teacher, right, It's like,

1850
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:44,559
Speaker 1: my identity can't just be in I'm a school teacher.

1851
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 1: It's like you've got to have something else. You know,

1852
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 1: you're going to walk away from that too. At some point,

1853
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:51,800
Speaker 1: what do you have to fall back on? You know,

1854
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:56,880
Speaker 1: who are you really? And I think that's why we see,

1855
01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:00,479
Speaker 1: you know, how hard, how different the cool that it

1856
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 1: is for a lot of these athletes because and maybe

1857
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 1: that's a good title, What do I do now?

1858
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 2: I got? Yeah, we'll write a book on that one,

1859
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:12,479
Speaker 2: because people need to hear that. You know, it is

1860
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:15,960
Speaker 2: destruct and retire a lot of athletes, but just people.

1861
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:19,600
Speaker 2: They self destruct because they're looking for the dopamine. They

1862
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:21,559
Speaker 2: looking for the hot they're looking for identity, they look

1863
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 2: at they looking for purpose, and when that thing is gone,

1864
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 2: whatever day you be CEO. I'm not a CEO no more.

1865
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 2: I'm just Bob. You know what I'm saying.

1866
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:33,599
Speaker 1: They struggle with that, and people hang on to titles. Right,

1867
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:36,640
Speaker 1: it's all about CFO of this. I'm CEO of this,

1868
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:39,120
Speaker 1: I'm tied to this, I'm tied to that. And it's like,

1869
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:43,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'm so grateful for that just in my

1870
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 1: own life too personally that you know, I'm not tied

1871
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 1: to anything, you know, I'm not. I don't have this,

1872
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:54,320
Speaker 1: this title that. And I think, like you said, when

1873
01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 1: people go wear hats, yeah I do. I like to

1874
01:31:57,439 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 1: wear all my hats. But you know it's like people

1875
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:01,680
Speaker 1: will come and they're like, well, what do you do.

1876
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm just me, man, I'm just I'm just

1877
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:07,799
Speaker 1: living my life. I don't have to have a title,

1878
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 1: a description, something I tell you know, Oh, I do

1879
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:14,360
Speaker 1: this all day long. Like man, sometimes I'm a minister.

1880
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:19,439
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm just mommy. Sometimes I'm lawyer because I'm working

1881
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 1: through a certain contract. Right now, today i'm designer, you know,

1882
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:30,280
Speaker 1: and remodeling a full home, and you know, tomorrow I'll

1883
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:33,600
Speaker 1: be horse whisper dealing with my horses. So it's like

1884
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:34,960
Speaker 1: it is what it is.

1885
01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:38,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I appreciate, you know, our pastors Passion Napoleon

1886
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:41,599
Speaker 2: and Passion of Coal, cause they did it. They basically

1887
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:44,080
Speaker 2: lived our life. Yes, several years before we did. So

1888
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:46,040
Speaker 2: we went to that church, you know, Pastor being a

1889
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 2: you know in the NFL, playing for the Raiders for

1890
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 2: six years and then boom, just retiring. Like he was

1891
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:54,640
Speaker 2: the blueprint for me, you know, and then seeing how

1892
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:57,200
Speaker 2: passionate call his wife handled and you were able to

1893
01:32:57,640 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 2: pull from her and glean from her. Man. So I

1894
01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:01,759
Speaker 2: just want to shout them out, just giving us a picture,

1895
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:03,680
Speaker 2: but then also being there when we need it, like

1896
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:06,000
Speaker 2: when I got when I got questions, you know, like

1897
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:08,720
Speaker 2: he was the one that basically talked me, talked me

1898
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:10,439
Speaker 2: into taking that second fight, because I was like, man,

1899
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:12,400
Speaker 2: past I'm done. Man, I ain't, And I thought he

1900
01:33:12,479 --> 01:33:14,639
Speaker 2: was gonna agree with me, and he was like yeah,

1901
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:17,680
Speaker 2: he said you'd be good, You'll be fine, rather you

1902
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 2: do another one or not. But he said, I think

1903
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:21,200
Speaker 2: you got one more left in you. And I remember

1904
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:24,519
Speaker 2: being like what, man, Like I came in here to

1905
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:27,760
Speaker 2: get some agreement, brothers, so I could be done. He

1906
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:30,720
Speaker 2: was like, you could be done, but you know, and

1907
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:32,679
Speaker 2: I'm happy he told me that. So I was able

1908
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:34,920
Speaker 2: to even though they you know, people gonna always talk,

1909
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:36,080
Speaker 2: but like you know, I was able to shut the

1910
01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:39,600
Speaker 2: noise down about the first fight, get another check, you

1911
01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:42,439
Speaker 2: know what I mean? And really see me in my legacy. Man,

1912
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:47,120
Speaker 2: So you you gotta have people famer, Yeah, hall of Famer,

1913
01:33:47,240 --> 01:33:51,760
Speaker 2: with or without the second fight. But she said of fame.

1914
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:53,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm saying like that.

1915
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 2: Don't hear what y'all say? It was locked after the

1916
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 2: supersits people think they want to marry your professional athlete.

1917
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:11,240
Speaker 2: This is my last one. My mindset is a little different.

1918
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 2: I'll be locked in, you know, and I got a

1919
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:16,400
Speaker 2: certain type of drive and it doesn't stop just because

1920
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 2: you retired.

1921
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:18,880
Speaker 1: Like how's it.

1922
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:21,960
Speaker 2: Being married to me? In some of my ways? Just

1923
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 2: being locked in and like yoh, we gotta do it

1924
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:26,320
Speaker 2: like this man, and the intensity and stuff like that.

1925
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:26,920
Speaker 2: You know.

1926
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:31,200
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I didn't have dreams and aspirations

1927
01:34:31,240 --> 01:34:33,760
Speaker 1: to be married to a professional athlete, So I'll put

1928
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:38,200
Speaker 1: that out there. But I definitely got blessed. So it's

1929
01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:41,600
Speaker 1: interesting when you know, to hear you say that, like people.

1930
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:45,400
Speaker 2: Are like, oh, you know, everybody kind of on the

1931
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:47,560
Speaker 2: hunt a good idea.

1932
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:50,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, there is a lot that comes with it.

1933
01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:54,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you do everything with a spirit of excellence. Hell, first,

1934
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:58,280
Speaker 1: of all, and it's really great, especially when it comes

1935
01:34:58,360 --> 01:35:01,600
Speaker 1: to like your sport, right because it allows you to

1936
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:06,559
Speaker 1: achieve things where most people won't. But it's really annoying

1937
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:10,639
Speaker 1: in other areas where it's like, you know what, listen,

1938
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:13,800
Speaker 1: this doesn't have to be perfect, and you have this

1939
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:17,960
Speaker 1: mindset of well why not, why can it be? It's

1940
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:21,040
Speaker 1: like due because I said it's not. That's why. You know,

1941
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 1: we're just gonna, you know, put this together. It's gonna

1942
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:27,519
Speaker 1: be like this, Okay, that's it, you know, And it

1943
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:30,519
Speaker 1: could be it could be tough because you're a person

1944
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 1: that's constantly tinkering with things, you know, and it's like,

1945
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:38,640
Speaker 1: you know what, you have to have the right perspective,

1946
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:42,200
Speaker 1: you know, when that is the person that you're with

1947
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:45,840
Speaker 1: that's constantly no, I mean, this is good, but I'm

1948
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna tinker with it because I want it

1949
01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:52,559
Speaker 1: to be great. And I think sometimes people don't always

1950
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:56,120
Speaker 1: value that and it can cause conflict and it can

1951
01:35:56,280 --> 01:36:00,240
Speaker 1: cause you know, yeah, just resentment and certain things instead

1952
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:03,479
Speaker 1: of seeing it from a different perspective like Okay, you're

1953
01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:05,519
Speaker 1: trying to make me great, that's what it is. So

1954
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:09,280
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I'm doing this, I'm taking care of

1955
01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:11,760
Speaker 1: the kids, I'm doing certain things, whatever it is, and

1956
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 1: then you come tinkering with it. But it's like, Okay,

1957
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:17,680
Speaker 1: you're trying to make me great. You're not nitpicky, you know,

1958
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:21,760
Speaker 1: or telling me, hey, this needs to change, even though

1959
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:24,439
Speaker 1: I spent maybe hours doing something, and it's like, nah,

1960
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 1: I think it should kind of go like this. It's

1961
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 1: like the perspective has to be there. You go again

1962
01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:32,920
Speaker 1: trying to make me great, you know, And it's a blessing.

1963
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:35,760
Speaker 2: We balance each other out. Yeah, And I've grown a

1964
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:39,960
Speaker 2: lot throughout the years because you know, like you have

1965
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:42,200
Speaker 2: a spirit of excellence too. You just go about your

1966
01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:44,519
Speaker 2: spirit of excellence a different way. You a little bit

1967
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:47,240
Speaker 2: more chill, a more intensive mind. And if we do

1968
01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:50,160
Speaker 2: this marriage thing right, this relationship thing right, will know

1969
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:52,519
Speaker 2: when the other person is not the answer, like you

1970
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:54,400
Speaker 2: know it right now, I need to be less of

1971
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 2: me and more her. And then right now you nah,

1972
01:36:57,160 --> 01:36:59,120
Speaker 2: you gotta come over here, because I got the answer

1973
01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:01,720
Speaker 2: when we do when we're doing it right, man, you know.

1974
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 2: But you know, yeah, I don't know if you was

1975
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:10,679
Speaker 2: just like me. Yeahb be rough, might be might be rough,

1976
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:15,479
Speaker 2: might be rough, But yeah, man, we here. Man, we're

1977
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:18,840
Speaker 2: still going strong, y'all. Let us know. Man on seat,

1978
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:21,920
Speaker 2: see them vis go up, man go crazy. In the

1979
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:26,560
Speaker 2: comments section, it's a whole extended interview, man. And you know,

1980
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:28,040
Speaker 2: we got a lot more content. We got a lot

1981
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:29,519
Speaker 2: more stuff we can talk about. We've been locked in

1982
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:34,599
Speaker 2: for over two decades quarter century total time between being

1983
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:37,720
Speaker 2: married and being in a relationship, and we got some

1984
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:38,880
Speaker 2: stuff man, we could talk about.

1985
01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:39,040
Speaker 1: Man.

1986
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:41,280
Speaker 2: So we appreciate you. I appreciate you taking time about

1987
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:44,439
Speaker 2: your busy schedule and letting these cameras be all in

1988
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 2: your house and man until next time. That's the art

1989
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:51,679
Speaker 2: of war. The best accomplishment we've had as a couple,

1990
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:54,400
Speaker 2: I think, really it's just trying to raise these kids up, man,

1991
01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:57,840
Speaker 2: and raise these babies, you know, because it's these gonna

1992
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:00,160
Speaker 2: be the ones that's gonna take care of us as

1993
01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:05,040
Speaker 2: things that we can do beyond business building anything. It

1994
01:38:05,120 --> 01:38:06,320
Speaker 2: is how we raise these kids.

1995
01:38:07,479 --> 01:38:12,280
Speaker 1: One of the great accomplishments as well is just our marriage,

1996
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:16,200
Speaker 1: you know, giving them an example. You know that, man,

1997
01:38:16,360 --> 01:38:19,559
Speaker 1: you can do this. It is harder to push through

1998
01:38:19,800 --> 01:38:22,000
Speaker 1: and to say, man, you know, what what do we

1999
01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:25,880
Speaker 1: need to do to work through this situation, you know.

2000
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:30,000
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, if I'm busy

2001
01:38:30,160 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 1: scratching your back and you're busy scratching my back, man,

2002
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:34,080
Speaker 1: no one is lacking.

2003
01:38:34,360 --> 01:38:38,000
Speaker 2: It's a powerful thing. Man. I appreciate the times for

2004
01:38:38,040 --> 01:38:39,280
Speaker 2: having We got to go. We've got things to do

2005
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:40,599
Speaker 2: with peace. That's all the world