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Speaker 1: And good morning everybody. Steve Schmidt with the Warning, joined

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Speaker 1: by Ken Harbaugh of the Ken Harbaugh Shaw Show, joined

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Speaker 1: by Denver Riggelman. Denver, good morning, and we're casting out

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Speaker 1: across the Save America Movement channel as well, and all

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Speaker 1: of us are affiliated with the Save America movement as well.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Ken, How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing good, Steve. It is upsetting every day watching

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Speaker 2: the incompetence with which we're prosecuting this new war of choice.

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Speaker 2: But otherwise, I guess, how honest do you want us

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Speaker 2: to be.

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Speaker 1: When you talk about the incompetence? How do you assess it?

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Speaker 3: Right? Right now?

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Speaker 1: Is what is the the greatest incompetence that you are

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Speaker 1: dialed in on?

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Speaker 2: Well, there's multiple domains of incompetence, and this administration is

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Speaker 2: excelling at all of them. I guess the first one

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Speaker 2: has to be the total lack of a rationale, which

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Speaker 2: we've discussed before. I think we're almost past that point now.

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Speaker 2: Sad to say, the fact that we have to move

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Speaker 2: on to even more important things, then why the heck

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Speaker 2: are we even doing this? Is it regime change? Is

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Speaker 2: it obliterating the nuclear program which we were assured was

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Speaker 2: obliterated months ago. Is it degrading their missile capability? Well,

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Speaker 2: we're in the fight now. We're in the fight now,

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Speaker 2: and the question has to be what is the plan,

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Speaker 2: what is the goal at this point, and how are

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Speaker 2: we going to achieve it? And furthermore, how are we

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Speaker 2: going to protect our own force disposition and our allies

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Speaker 2: in the course of achieving those objectives. And that's what

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Speaker 2: I care most about is someone who has friends down range,

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Speaker 2: as someone who has a special emotional connection to the military,

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Speaker 2: and any time I see service members killed because of

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Speaker 2: the incompetence of their civilian leadership in depenaon, it makes

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Speaker 2: me angry.

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Speaker 1: The end of World War Two, the United States has

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Speaker 1: complete absolute mastery of the air. The decisive year of

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Speaker 1: nineteen forty four, the United States produces eighty eight thousand aircraft.

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Speaker 1: Ukraine produced during wartime cut off from the United States

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Speaker 1: seven million drones. Seven million drones. And the future of

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Speaker 1: war was clearly being written in Ukraine. And both of

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Speaker 1: you have been there. Ken made a movie The Drone

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Speaker 1: Catchers of Kirsan and drone is a droneers or hunters can.

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Speaker 2: Every once in a while when they're when they're unlucky.

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Speaker 2: It's drone catchers. Ninety nine percent of the time, it's

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Speaker 2: drone hunters. That's that's what we were doing.

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Speaker 1: Drone Hunters of Kirsan is the name of the movie.

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Speaker 1: And you said, Denver, there are twenty two different types

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Speaker 1: of Shahad drones, and this is one of the principal

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Speaker 1: reasons why we're supposedly fighting in Iran. It's been regime change,

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Speaker 1: it's been their ballistic missile capacity, it's been their drone capacity.

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Speaker 1: But we've not been very effective at fighting back against

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Speaker 1: the Iranian drones that have caused American casualties. So before

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Speaker 1: we watch a clip from the movie that Ken did

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Speaker 1: from one of his many trips, and I know you've

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Speaker 1: been to Ukraine, tell us a little bit about these drones.

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Speaker 3: What what is.

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Speaker 1: A drone for the imagination of the person who is

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Speaker 1: watching this.

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Speaker 4: Now, Yeah, drones are just simply small or large unmanned

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Speaker 4: aerial vehicles or unmanned aerial systems, which means they can

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Speaker 4: actually act in tandem. So it's really just a remote

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Speaker 4: depending on how it's used. It's really that's it's something

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Speaker 4: you know that's what a drone is. And you know,

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Speaker 4: it's interesting about the twenty one to twenty two different

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Speaker 4: types of shahads. It's anywhere, and Ken and I can

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Speaker 4: talk about this. It's anywhere from a small explosive where

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Speaker 4: hundred kilogram bomb on a jet propelled large shah head.

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Speaker 4: So you're talking about shah heads with wooden propellers which

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Speaker 4: to jet propelled jet propulsion shaheads, right, And the Iranians

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Speaker 4: and the Russians have perfected this over a long period

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Speaker 4: about Ken and the drone hunters of kersone. Ken had

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Speaker 4: fact that a former congressman could be there is pretty

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Speaker 4: interesting and it gives me insight onto why even though

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Speaker 4: Do you know, Steve, that the United States is so

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Speaker 4: far behind that we actually copied the Shahead on a

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Speaker 4: why this show is so important. What Ken is doing

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Speaker 1: Okay, can we watch a clip of this of this

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Speaker 1: movie this, because this is this is the future of

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Speaker 1: warfare and this is this is an insight into what's

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Speaker 5: The context between who gets who first, do they get

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Speaker 2: We're that close to the front or the orble everywhere,

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Speaker 2: but people are still smoking. We just kind of learned

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Speaker 2: that there is a wave of twelve ship heads buying

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Speaker 2: in full of the black seat. That's the amazing thing

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Speaker 2: about this war. It's a blend of trench warfare and terminator.

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Speaker 3: Wow. What was it like to be there?

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Speaker 1: Did you feel hunted by those drones or did you

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Speaker 1: feel like you were.

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Speaker 3: The hunter with the team at.

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Speaker 2: I definitely felt exposed, Steve, but I was with literally

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Speaker 2: the best fighters in the Ukrainian military, which may well

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Speaker 2: this point. They were incredibly professional and those with maybe

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Speaker 2: military backgrounds might notice that they're shooting down these FPV drones,

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Speaker 2: which are tiny, the size of maybe a pigeon, flying

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Speaker 2: the kill envelope of the drone, and Denver and I

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Speaker 2: But every one that gets through results in a casualty,

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Speaker 2: in the case of these drone hunters, they're doing it

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Speaker 2: to put themselves in between the Russian kamikaze drone launchers

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Speaker 1: Dever, I have an Old Life magazine addition from nineteen forty.

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Speaker 1: It has a special on the US Navy at maneuvers

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Speaker 1: in the Pacific against the foe unnamed it's the Japanese,

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Speaker 1: Hundreds of American sailors aboard the Indianapolis or eaten by

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Speaker 1: sharks at sea. It's a horrendous tale at the at

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Speaker 1: the end of the war. But you watch all of

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Speaker 1: this through the pages of this magazine knowing what's going

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Speaker 1: to happen next. For eighty years. Now we're involved in

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Speaker 1: something where you don't have a particular clear view of what's.

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Speaker 3: Going to happen next. And I want to I want

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Speaker 3: to talk about that.

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Speaker 1: But but but where are we right right now in

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Speaker 1: this is that the US military. I think if you

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Speaker 1: has said, uh, it was an invincible force that Iran existed.

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Speaker 1: At Trump's whim that the bombing would topple the Iranian regime.

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Speaker 1: The purpose of the military strike was to topple the regime,

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Speaker 1: which isn't which isn't toppled. Ranian regime has exerted full

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Speaker 1: control over the Straits of Hormuz Ken and I talked

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Speaker 1: But where are we right now on the edge of

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Speaker 4: Goodness gracious, that's a that's a hell of a question.

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Speaker 4: I think at this point when you're talking about Iran,

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Speaker 4: and what we said at the beginning when you're talking

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Speaker 4: Steve and I don't know if you brought this all together,

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Speaker 4: because it's about the seven million drones you talked about.

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Speaker 4: We have multiple issues with that number. One, there's ninety

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Speaker 4: if we have to deploy ground troops. But the thing

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Speaker 4: want to swarm?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 4: Swarming drones means multiple drones working in tandem, are together

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Speaker 4: using artificial intelligence or data links to execute on a target,

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Speaker 4: to prosecute a target, Steve, think about a ship and

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Speaker 4: in the future, what if there's a swarm of eighty

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Speaker 4: And we've already seen that happen. Ken had talked about

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Speaker 4: initially that our first casualties came from a shahead. Are

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Speaker 4: you kidding? And we're still talking about US dominance when

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Speaker 4: Ukraine just took out and Ken, please remind me. I

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Speaker 4: think it was ten Ukrainians took out what multiple NATO

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Speaker 4: killed them all with ten guys with drones. So, Steve,

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Speaker 4: I think that's what we're talking about here, is we're

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Speaker 4: talking about multiple things. We're talking about having to deploy

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Speaker 4: difficult time with the asymmetric warfare being employed by the Iranians.

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Speaker 4: And the fact is we're not leveraging the Ukrainians for

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Speaker 4: quantity and quality of drone production overwhelms what we can

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Speaker 2: Well, the most important caveat is that the only way

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Speaker 2: So, Marco Rubio in a rare moment of honesty, which

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Speaker 4: I will say this, if you may cut in, Oh,

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Speaker 4: You know you stayd those reasons. I don't want to

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Speaker 4: You're right, the imminent threat is also the revelatory imminent threat, right,

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Speaker 1: It's always encouraging to think about that.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's hard not to laugh when you're saying it,

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Speaker 1: It's just anybody who dismisses what it is that you're saying,

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Speaker 1: And it's any type of religious nationalism is incompatible with democracy.

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Speaker 3: And you cannot.

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Speaker 2: some Iranian oil. They are making money off of this war,

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Speaker 2: even as the price at the pump for Americans has

436
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Speaker 2: shot through the roof, so amphibious assault is going to

437
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Speaker 2: be very difficult, if not impossible, with the straits being closed,

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Speaker 2: especially if we're talking about carg Island, which is much

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Speaker 2: closer to Kuwait than it is to the open side

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Speaker 2: of the strait. So we're going to have to get

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Speaker 2: our guys there with ospreys or God help us throw

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Speaker 2: them out the back of planes.

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Speaker 5: And that.

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Speaker 2: Is dangerous in and of itself. But when you look

445
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Speaker 2: at the logistical long tail and the fact that a

446
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Speaker 2: marine expeditionary unit only as about fourteen days of supplies,

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Speaker 2: I do worry about your worst case scenario, Steve, which

448
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Speaker 2: is America and troops in contact cut off.

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Speaker 3: Denver.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah. So if you go back to that map

451
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Speaker 4: right there where you had the UAE, Oman and Cutter

452
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Speaker 4: all on the same line, and if you if you

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Speaker 4: go in on Uae to the northern tip, they're of UAE.

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Speaker 4: There's a little place called Russell Kema, right. Rassell Keima

455
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Speaker 4: has four hundred thousand people. That's actually one of the

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Speaker 4: emirates if you go a little bit north, if you

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Speaker 4: go up a little bit. So I was in Russell

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Speaker 4: Keima just a few months ago, and I and I

459
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Speaker 4: was imagining myself there. You go looking north into Bandora

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Speaker 4: bas there's a couple of things here. It's it's Ken's

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Speaker 4: flown the straits or her horr moose. You know, I've

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Speaker 4: I've been in oman Uae and cutter right, I in

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Speaker 4: the Straits of Horror Moves and they think thing and

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Speaker 4: Ken will probably laugh at this. It's not small, it's

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Speaker 4: it's it's pretty right, yeah, I mean it's huge, right,

466
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Speaker 4: and it's so funny. Oh, we're just going to close

467
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Speaker 4: you know, We're just going to open up the straight

468
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Speaker 4: it's so horror moves, or we're going to be able

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Speaker 4: to actually have complete dominance there. It's massive. Ken's Wright. Again,

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Speaker 4: when we talk about drones and asymmetric warfare, there are minds,

471
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Speaker 4: and again it goes down to poor planning, doesn't rationalize

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Speaker 4: or doesn't wish away going after a bad enemy, and

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Speaker 4: poor planning and bad geopolitical decision making actually puts Americans

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Speaker 4: in harm's way. But when I was standing there at

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Speaker 4: wressel Kama, when I'm looking at that whole area there,

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Speaker 4: when you're looking at the Straits of Horror Moves, people

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Speaker 4: need to understand that there's countries there that have nothing

478
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Speaker 4: to do with this conflict that are in harm's way also,

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Speaker 4: and you know there's seven emirates in the UAE when

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Speaker 4: you look at Oman. I was there for certain other things, Steve,

481
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Speaker 4: you know, back in two thousand and two thousand and one.

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Speaker 4: But you know it's just an and cutter. You know,

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Speaker 4: I was there for certain other things, as you know,

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Speaker 4: howud'd air bases there and things like that. But what

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Speaker 4: I want to tell people that are watching this show

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Speaker 4: is that this is a massive task and people need

487
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Speaker 4: to heed the warnings you know of people like Steve,

488
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Speaker 4: people like Ken, people like me, people that have been there,

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Speaker 4: done that either on the geo political spectrum or the

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Speaker 4: military spectrum. People done the mission planning in the flying

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Speaker 4: like Ken and the Navy, Me and the Air Force.

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Speaker 4: Right and Steve, you've seen every political decision I think

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Speaker 4: known to mankind. Right when it comes to these type

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Speaker 4: of geopolitical decisions, is that Iran is a big deal.

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Speaker 4: It's a big objective, and if we're not careful, we're

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Speaker 4: going to get caught up, as Ken suggested, in a

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Speaker 4: war that's going to be almost impossible to actually leave

498
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Speaker 4: because we're going to get to a point. Are we

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Speaker 4: going to control the oil field?

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Speaker 2: Steve?

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Speaker 4: As you said, right, what are we going to do there?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: As Ken said, are we going to destroy every fishing boat?

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Speaker 4: It's so ludicrous that we don't have a specific mission

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Speaker 4: objective on why we did this. That's why you put

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Speaker 4: troops in harms way, That's why you need adults in

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Speaker 4: the room. And right now you have this sort of infantalized,

508
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Speaker 4: sort of authorized use to military force, this AMUF action

509
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Speaker 4: that really has no basis right and why we should

510
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Speaker 4: be there right now because the reasons don't make sense,

511
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Speaker 4: and that puts people in harms way, and it makes

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Speaker 4: Americans less safe.

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Speaker 1: How right our people to be worried? I know that

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Speaker 1: I am ken about the use of ground troops, marine

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Speaker 1: expeditionary units, airborne units, air assault units of the US

516
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Speaker 1: Army Ranger regiments, all of the tip of the spear

517
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Speaker 1: units in an environment where the Pentagon is releasing a

518
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Speaker 1: lot of puerile, juvenile propaganda. And you watch Pete Hagsath

519
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: unable to take accountability, unable to accept responsibility, constantly aggrieved,

520
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: beating on the press, evading accountability for all of this

521
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Speaker 1: going off the rails.

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Speaker 3: How worried are you or.

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Speaker 1: Should we be about the emotional immaturity of the war

524
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Speaker 1: planners with American lives at stake and the storied history

525
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Speaker 1: of these units, wanting to use the eighty second Airborne

526
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Speaker 1: to go brag about the eighty second Airborne's combat jump

527
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Speaker 1: out onto Corg Island or somewhere else, you know, just

528
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Speaker 1: in time for the Sean Hannity Show, just in time

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Speaker 1: for for Fox and Friends, the you know war by

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Speaker 1: the former Fox host and Fox contributor, you know, made

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Speaker 1: to titillate the appetites of the Fox News audience.

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Speaker 3: What is that? Is that fair to worry about?

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Speaker 2: I think that is very fair to worry about. What

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Speaker 2: worries me most of all is that I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: there is anyone left in the administration that is telling

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Speaker 2: the President what could go wrong, that is laying out

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Speaker 2: the worst case scenarios. And that is the most frustrating

538
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Speaker 2: thing for me. Because we have probably a dozen contingency

539
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Speaker 2: plans for the closing of the strait of horror moves.

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Speaker 2: We have been practicing this for literally decades. It's something

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Speaker 2: that I drilled as an ISR pilot with Fifth Fleet,

542
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 2: knowing that on page one of the Iranian military's playbook

543
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Speaker 2: was closed the Strait of Horror. Mus We've got all

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Speaker 2: kinds of worst case scenarios mapped out and reactions to them,

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Speaker 2: and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the first

546
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Speaker 2: person who threw that worst case scenario plan on Donald

547
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Speaker 2: Trump's desk was summarily dismissed. He does not want to

548
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Speaker 2: hear how badly things can go, as evidence by the

549
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Speaker 2: fact that he reportedly told the military, let's do this

550
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Speaker 2: one like we did Venezuela. They are totally different. And

551
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Speaker 2: if you don't have anyone who is willing to tell

552
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Speaker 2: the president that things could go sideways and you need

553
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Speaker 2: to be prepared for this, then you're going to get

554
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Speaker 2: in situations like we're in right now. The very fact that,

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Speaker 2: when asked why we weren't prepared for all of these

556
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Speaker 2: drones hitting our allies, hitting embassies, hitting high rises, the

557
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Speaker 2: President said, well, it all happened so fast, or that

558
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Speaker 2: Pete Hegseth, when challenged about the closure of the Strait

559
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Speaker 2: of Hormus, said well, it's not closed except for the

560
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Speaker 2: Iranian missiles and mines. As you said, infantilization of the

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Speaker 2: military planning that went into this. As as scary as

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Speaker 2: things look right now, when you're talking about the eighty

563
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Speaker 2: second Airborne or a marine expeditionary unit, when you're talking

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Speaker 2: about thousands of American boots on the ground, this could

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Speaker 2: get exponentially, exponentially worse if you don't have someone briefing

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Speaker 2: the president on what could go wrong.

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Speaker 1: Does an amphibious assault on Carg Island mean that the

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Speaker 1: Marines will be under fire coming around that closest point

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Speaker 1: of proximity on their way to Cargo Island the entire way,

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Speaker 1: what does that look like?

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Speaker 2: I think that's off the table. I don't know how

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00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 2: you can get those landing ships that far through the

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Speaker 2: Straits of Hormuz along the coast of Iran. I think

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Speaker 2: they're going to have to leave an osprey's from Kuwait

575
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Speaker 2: or nearby Allied territories and try to take the airfield.

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Speaker 2: People forget that Carg Island also has twenty thousand people

577
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Speaker 2: on it. It's not some desolate oil production terminal. It

578
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 2: has twenty thousand people on it, and it is going

579
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Speaker 2: to be reinforced. And the real nightmare scenario is the

580
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Speaker 2: kind of urban environment that we found ourselves in in

581
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Speaker 2: a rock, and the minute we find ourselves in that

582
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Speaker 2: kind of situation, it's a rock, I would say two

583
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Speaker 2: point zero, but it's really a rock on steroids because

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Speaker 2: Iran is bigger, it's it's more hardened, and they have

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Speaker 2: four hundred and sixty kilogram of enriched uranium. The canard

586
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: that got us into a rock weapons of mass destruction

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Speaker 2: is actually real with Iran, and we have only made

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Speaker 2: it worse.

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Speaker 4: You know, I can't really can sort of can? He

590
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Speaker 4: had to perfect, right, it's perfect. And here's the other

591
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Speaker 4: thing too, When he talks about the twenty thousand people

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Speaker 4: and Ken, that was perfect segue for what I was

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Speaker 4: about to say, because that's what was this setup is

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Speaker 4: are we prepared for drone warfare now in that region?

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Speaker 4: Are we mission planning appropriately based on the Iranian threat?

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Speaker 4: When you're talking about that at this point, If there's

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Speaker 4: twenty thousand people there, and I think Ken's go. You know,

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Speaker 4: we were in carsone, right, there's twenty thousand people there

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Speaker 4: and people have drones or there's drones there with specific

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Speaker 4: types of units. Are the Marines ready for drone warfare?

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Speaker 4: Literal drone warfare, especially with any type of entry. Any

602
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Speaker 4: egress or ingress into the island itself is going to

603
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 4: be fraught, right with threats. I mean, if I'm an

604
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Speaker 4: intelligence mission planner, after what I've seen so far, I'm like, hey, guys,

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Speaker 4: we're gonna look at We're gonna have to look first

606
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Speaker 4: before we go there. How about I look at where

607
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Speaker 4: maybe drone launch points are and what the ranges are

608
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Speaker 4: for all the different types of heads and fpvs. As

609
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 4: we're doing our mission plan. It's not just initial points,

610
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Speaker 4: it's not just ips, right, it's not just landing zones

611
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Speaker 4: or time over targets. Let's look at what the actual

612
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Speaker 4: uav UAS threat's gonna be. The unmanned aerial vehicle on

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Speaker 4: unmanned aerial systems, the combined system threat is going to

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Speaker 4: be on our troops as our lands. So Ken's exactly right.

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Speaker 4: Everything that he said beaming to the punch, he knows

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Speaker 4: this so well, wonderful. But also are they mission planning

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Speaker 4: for the asymmetric threat? And I have this bizarre almost

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Speaker 4: expectation that they might not be taking that threat seriously yet,

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Speaker 4: even on everything that we've seen.

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Speaker 3: And so the mission will involve.

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Speaker 1: Taking the airport at bound or Boss and taking the

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Speaker 1: peaks around bound or Boss, you know that are up

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Speaker 1: to seven thousand feet that we'll have to control all

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Speaker 1: of that territory in order to resupply the mission for

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Speaker 1: American forces on Cork Island and other places. And we'll

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Speaker 1: be doing so in a country with ninety three million troops.

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Speaker 1: And I just I think back to Donald Drumsfell too,

628
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Speaker 1: through his arrogance, wanted to invade Iraq with a number

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Speaker 1: in his head that was insufficient to the task. And

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Speaker 1: in this case, we're going to have some number of

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Speaker 1: American troops. That's a fraction of the American troops that

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Speaker 1: took down the Saddam regime in one hundred hours before

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Speaker 1: setting off an insurgency that turned the hundred hours into

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Speaker 1: America's longest war. But that's unfathomable to think about that.

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Speaker 1: We're going to put thirty thousand or twenty thousand or

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Speaker 1: fifteen thousand American worses on the ground.

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Speaker 3: Without a plan for what comes next.

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Speaker 1: And it's very easy to see how that number expands

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Speaker 1: exponentially and geometrically in a country of ninety three million

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Speaker 1: million people. It's a horrifying prospect. Do you think I'm

641
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Speaker 1: overreacting to.

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Speaker 2: To that or I don't. And this administration lives in

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Speaker 2: a complete fantasy world when it comes to military planning.

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Speaker 2: Military planners are taught to let the reality dictate the requirements,

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Speaker 2: the reality of the combat environment, the reality of the

646
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Speaker 2: geopolitical situation that needs to determine the requirements for achieving

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Speaker 2: the desired outcomes. This administration does it backwards. They decide

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Speaker 2: what their requirements are, what they have, and they adjust

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Speaker 2: the reality to what they have. So if they've only got,

650
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Speaker 2: you know, a few thousand troops, if they only want

651
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Speaker 2: to risk an EMU, well then they adjust the reality

652
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: to comport with that. And it is exactly what Donald

653
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 2: Rumsfeld did when the military briefers told him, you are

654
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 2: going to need three hundred thousand people to achieve your

655
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: stated end goals in Iraq, he said, well, we can

656
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: only politically afford one hundred thousand, so let's adjust the

657
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: reality to the fact that I can only get one

658
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 2: hundred thousand people in a rock. And we saw what happened.

659
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 2: We are doing that much worse this time. Like on steroids,

660
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 2: we are inventing new realities. We being the Trump administration,

661
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: the Trump regime to comport with the fantasy of being

662
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 2: able to pressure the Iranian regime with airpower alone, ignoring

663
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: the threat to the Strait of horror moves, ignoring the

664
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Speaker 2: fact that they have four hundred and sixty kilos of

665
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: enriched uranium, again and again and again, and no one's

666
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 2: going to bail Trump out on this. NATO's not going

667
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 2: to bail them out. Uh, the the golf Allies are

668
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: not going to bail them out. I've done a lot

669
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: of these interviews, Steve, and I keep getting asked, what's next.

670
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: I don't know. Pandora's box has been opened and and

671
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 2: we're in it now.

672
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no doubt, no doubt about that. Ken.

673
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Speaker 1: When you were in Kirsan and you were making that movie,

674
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: I know that you were caught at the front because

675
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: of the historic attack the Ukrainians had made using drones,

676
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: penetrating deep into Russian territory. And I forget the details

677
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: of it other than the eighteen wheelers that that that

678
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: that the drones deployed from the roof the top of

679
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: the trucks popped open, the drones flew out, and maybe

680
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the details of that mission.

681
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: But I want you to talk about it in the

682
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: context to the threat warnings the FBI has made about

683
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: the Iranian ability to operate drones on American territory, in

684
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: the United States, in the American homeland and target an

685
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: American base in American city and American public gathering.

686
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 3: And to.

687
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: Ask you to assess if you think or if you

688
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: feel that that's a credible threat.

689
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 2: Well, I'll do the first half and then I'll punt

690
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: to Denver who runs a tech company and is focusing

691
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 2: on drones. When we were in Ukraine during Operation Spiderweb,

692
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: which was the name of the Ukrainian mission that prepositioned

693
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,479
Speaker 2: probably around a million dollars worth of drones, not much,

694
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: but over the course of many months they planned this

695
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 2: mission out. They staged these container trucks near Russian strategic

696
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 2: Base is the panels opened up, the drones launched, and

697
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 2: they did just incalculable damage to Putin's strategic fleet. Close

698
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 2: to a third of his strategic ISR platforms and bombers

699
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: were destroyed. By the way, the US was not advised

700
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 2: about this mission at any point. There was zero confidence

701
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: that I see that our president could keep it a secret.

702
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 2: So the Ukrainians planned this by themselves, They deployed by themselves.

703
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 2: They launched these attacks by themselves and did incredible damage

704
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 2: to Putin's strategic fleet. We were there as it was unfolding,

705
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: obviously had nothing to do with it. But in the

706
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 2: aftermath Putin launched what was at that point his largest

707
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 2: air assault of the war, both against Ukrainian cities and

708
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 2: Denver and I found ourselves in Odessa on the receiving

709
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: end of one of those waves of attacks, and on

710
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 2: the front. I was the night before as Operation Spider

711
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: Web was going down. I was in a trench with

712
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: Ukrainian commons Kasi drone pilots and we were pinned down

713
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,959
Speaker 2: for twenty hours because I imagine the order went out, throw

714
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 2: everything you have at the Ukrainians. Vladimir's is angry. In

715
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 2: terms of the threat to the US homeland. We have

716
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 2: no answer for anything like this. And it doesn't have

717
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 2: to be drones popping out of a container on a flatbed.

718
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: It can be on a container ship, it can be anything.

719
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: A drone, the kind of drone that takes out a

720
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 2: two hundred million dollar bomber can fit in the palm

721
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: of your hand. Denver. You want to run with it.

722
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean, and you know it's so incredible Steve,

723
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 4: what Ken is talking about as me. And you know,

724
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 4: Ken and I were actually in Carson during operations Spider Web,

725
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 4: and I remember being on the radio and Ken, this

726
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 4: is a personal thing, Steve, I think you appreciate it.

727
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 4: I remember I think I was coming out of carosone

728
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 4: on the carosone Miklive Highway, were radio contract trying to

729
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 4: make sure Ken was okay. So Ken, as you know,

730
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 4: you know, we were a little worried, you know, on

731
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 4: that twenty hour roll. And I was driving a left

732
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 4: handed stick Honda that was given to And by the way,

733
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 4: if nobody's driven a left handed stick right hand drive ever,

734
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 4: even if you're a stick shift driving full like I am,

735
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 4: it's a little bit weird coming out of Caro Son

736
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 4: as fast as you can right in a Honda that

737
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 4: keeps breaking down and we have to push start. So

738
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 4: really good for drone stuff, But when you're talking about drones,

739
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 4: we're building surveillance drones. And right now, what I've asked

740
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,479
Speaker 4: my guys to do. If you're talking about drone warfare, Steve,

741
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 4: and you're talking about how how awful it can be,

742
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 4: I've asked my guys if I can build a drone

743
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 4: in twelve minutes using three D printers, because I think

744
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 4: we can build a drone on stage very very quickly,

745
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 4: and I wondered if that was possible. Also, when you're

746
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 4: looking at motors, when you're looking at the ability to

747
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 4: weaponize a drone, it's quite easy. There's a reason I

748
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 4: think North Korea doesn't allow drone sales, right, So I

749
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 4: think I think that's where we're at. But when you're

750
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 4: talking about drone warfare, buddy, when you're talking about threats

751
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 4: to the homeland, I mean we're getting to a point.

752
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 4: If people aren't aware by this point or this time

753
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 4: that drone warfare is the future, there is no doubt,

754
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,479
Speaker 4: there's no way around it. And when you're talking about

755
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 4: AI and you're linking that with drones and their ability

756
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 4: to communicate over radio links, and the fact is, Steve,

757
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 4: do you know you can buy a radar for a drone,

758
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 4: a low weight radar. You can build it for about

759
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 4: two hundred dollars.

760
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 3: Right.

761
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 4: That radar can actually see way out right, you can

762
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 4: actually see other drones coming in. So now you have

763
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 4: radar and weaponize drones that are out there rolling around

764
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 4: that talk to each other, can identify targets and take

765
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 4: humans out of the loop for a lot of these things.

766
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 4: And it's not that hard now, it's just it's not

767
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 4: just easy. But when you're building deployable surveillance drones like

768
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 4: we're doing using AI back you know, using AI backhaul, right,

769
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 4: and you're able to identify targets out to six hundred

770
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 4: meters even license plates, people need to realize that drone warfare,

771
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 4: drone surveillance, this isn't going away. This is the future,

772
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 4: and we better get our arms around it.

773
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: When you look at what's going on in Iran, can't

774
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: I can't process it in any way right now outside

775
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 1: of a binary in the sense that I can't see

776
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: how Donald hasn't cornered himself into a position where he

777
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: can only go forward meaning escalate, or backwards meaning withdrawal

778
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 1: in and retreat.

779
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 3: He has no other option.

780
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: Is that he's fighting alone without allies. That there are

781
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: multiple rationales that were offered for the war, there is

782
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: no broad public support for it, there is no tolerance

783
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: for sacrifices for difficulty.

784
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 3: That is required.

785
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: So his ego is pulling him forward towards an escalation

786
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: because no one can tell him the truth and no

787
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: one can tell him no and and reality, the core

788
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: facts on the ground, should be pulling him backwards, uh,

789
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: towards a retreat from this position to declare victory and

790
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: to and to step back. But it doesn't look like

791
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: he's doing that. It looks like he's moving forward to

792
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: an escalation. When when I when I look at this

793
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: and I assess this through that frame that he has

794
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 1: cornered himself and that directionally he's got forward and he's

795
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 1: got backward, he's got escalation where he's got withdrawal or retreat?

796
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 3: Am I missing something?

797
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: I think the wild card you're missing, Steve, And I

798
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 2: hate to even bring it up, but this president views

799
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:16,720
Speaker 2: himself in historic terms, thinks he is and everyone around

800
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 2: him is telling him he is the greatest president in

801
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: American history. The things he talks about doing are the

802
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 2: kinds of things that he thinks make a president's reputation

803
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 2: for the next one hundred two hundred thousand years. I

804
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 2: think he thinks in those epical terms, and I don't

805
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: think we can rule out the potential use of nuclear

806
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:44,240
Speaker 2: weapons when you have a president that is that megale

807
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: maniacal and who has that few options and for whom

808
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 2: retreat is becoming increasingly untenable. I wouldn't be surprised if,

809
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 2: in his dark moments he's thinking about how the use

810
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 2: of a nuclear weapon would etch his name in the

811
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 2: history books, which leads to the the ultimate question for

812
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 2: me as a as a veteran and someone who writes

813
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 2: a lot about the US military and constitutional crises. Will

814
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: the military hold will our culture of fidelity to the

815
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 2: constitution survive this moment? And will the will the military

816
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 2: leadership be able to say no in a moment of

817
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 2: maximum danger when asked to do something that catastrophic And frankly,

818
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 2: I don't know the answer.

819
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 3: Denver, and.

820
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 4: I never thought as a mission planner myself that one

821
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 4: of my courses of action would be while we could

822
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 4: go nuclear? Right, Steve again, like, you know, it's one

823
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 4: of those things you're like, this is this is bizarre,

824
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 4: it's crazy, But I also look that, you know again,

825
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 4: I know this might be a slant angle here, but

826
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 4: it's almost like he's really taking this rehemisphering from the

827
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 4: Project twenty twenty five playbook to a new level, and

828
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 4: it's just incredible to me when you're talking about the

829
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 4: US controlling certain parts of the world and splitting that

830
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 4: up between Russia and China, which is part of the

831
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 4: rehemisphering sort of strategic direction the Project twenty twenty twenty

832
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 4: twenty five laid out, but also sort of what he

833
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 4: used and what is people use, like Hegseth for us

834
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 4: going into Venezuela. When you combine that with a guy

835
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,919
Speaker 4: who's not made one rational decision yet when it comes

836
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 4: to this Iranian war, I don't think Ken's out of bounds.

837
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,720
Speaker 4: I mean that's the thing that people need to realize.

838
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 4: When you have somebody who doesn't seem to have a

839
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 4: real decision tree based on reality and foreign policy, it

840
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 4: gets pretty nuts. And then there's this other thing that

841
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 4: Ken and I and Steve you too probably have to

842
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 4: deal with or former American troops manant we don't want

843
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 4: another American service member hurt in any way, we don't

844
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 4: learn any more casualties. And then you get caught in

845
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 4: this weird thing, Steve, where you're like, Okay, it's bad people,

846
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 4: but we're there maybe for the wrong reasons. With awful

847
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,720
Speaker 4: policy and mission planning. They lied about why they're there.

848
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 4: But now we're like, do we got to get out

849
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 4: there as quickly as possible? Do we need to get

850
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 4: this conflict over as quickly as possible? Yes, So now

851
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 4: you're caught between this rock and a hard place. If

852
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 4: you can think in a nuanced way, is that now

853
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 4: we have to support our American troops in any way

854
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 4: that we can because we need to get out of

855
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 4: there fast. We need to get this over with. Now,

856
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 4: we got to get out right one way or the other.

857
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 4: Now is that complete victory or is it us just saying, Hey,

858
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 4: we just declare complete victory and get out. And my

859
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 4: biggest fear, and I think Ken downstream, is this is

860
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 4: what he's voicing. Is that based on this sort of

861
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 4: irrational decision tree that you have that comes from his legacy,

862
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 4: from prophecy, from whatever it's coming from, Iran is now

863
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 4: part of his legacy thinking and his this narcissixts a

864
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Speaker 4: way of looking at the world. And I don't know

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Speaker 4: above more on Steve and Ken right when it comes

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Speaker 4: to I Q so, but it's very difficult to see

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Speaker 4: what the extraction point is unless he thinks it's actually

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Speaker 4: annihilation of certain portions of the Iranian land mass or

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Speaker 4: parts of their capabilities, whether it's an energy or oil

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Speaker 4: where he thinks the next nuclear place is because he

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Speaker 4: said it was obliterated, but we're still going after it.

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Speaker 4: So that's what scares me as a military mission planner,

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Speaker 4: and this take politics out of it, is that what

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Speaker 4: does that look like for American troops on the ground,

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Speaker 4: What does it look like for airman and sailors? What

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Speaker 4: does it look like for marines? Because I love those people,

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Speaker 4: and that's the that's the conundrum I always find myself

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Speaker 4: in when we have this discussion.

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Speaker 1: Really frightening stuff. The war will continue to escalate this week.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trumps no way out. He knew already out of

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Speaker 1: plan and we had a real crisis on our hands.

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Speaker 1: Bank both Ken Harbaugh and Denver Regelmann for the hour

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Speaker 1: for the conversation this morning will be We will be

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Speaker 1: back next week. I'm Steve Schmidt with the warning Can

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh of the Count Harbaugh Show, and find Denver Riggelmann

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Speaker 1: on substack as well. The former member of Congress the

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Speaker 1: January sixth Committee, Denver, great pleasure to have you on

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Speaker 1: this Sunday morning as well.

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Speaker 3: Thank you both.

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Speaker 1: Thank you everybody for taking some time to join with

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Speaker 1: us to talk about this war, pay attention to it. Tragically,

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Speaker 1: it is not going well and it is going to

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Speaker 1: get worse and more dangerous as Donald Trump moves forward

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Speaker 1: with introducing ground troops regular forces into combat in Iran.

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Speaker 1: And we'll talk more next week. I'm Steve Schmidt. Have

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Speaker 1: a good day.

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Speaker 2: Thanks