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Hello everyone, I'm a dd Kinkabala, 18 00:01:10,026 --> 00:01:13,506 Speaker 1: joined as always by the fabulous Mike Yam and we 19 00:01:13,586 --> 00:01:17,506 Speaker 1: are here for NFL explained By the way. I love 20 00:01:17,546 --> 00:01:19,266 Speaker 1: when you call me fabulous and I did catch it 21 00:01:19,306 --> 00:01:21,386 Speaker 1: on NFL Now the other day when you were promoting 22 00:01:21,386 --> 00:01:24,706 Speaker 1: the podcast. It did make me smile. Belladitia. This week, 23 00:01:24,826 --> 00:01:27,906 Speaker 1: we're all about the trade deadline. We are knocking on 24 00:01:27,946 --> 00:01:31,026 Speaker 1: the door for I think a time of the season 25 00:01:31,066 --> 00:01:34,586 Speaker 1: that gives anxiety to some players, maybe more so in 26 00:01:34,626 --> 00:01:36,386 Speaker 1: other sports, but certainly in the NFL. When you think 27 00:01:36,386 --> 00:01:38,186 Speaker 1: there's a chance you could be on the move, there's 28 00:01:38,306 --> 00:01:40,786 Speaker 1: some upheaval in your personal life, which you know, what 29 00:01:41,106 --> 00:01:45,626 Speaker 1: is a great segue to this, Mike. You know that 30 00:01:45,666 --> 00:01:49,626 Speaker 1: I love trivia. What do Doug Flutie, Carson Palmer, and 31 00:01:49,706 --> 00:01:53,026 Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo all have in common? You know, normally you 32 00:01:53,026 --> 00:01:55,226 Speaker 1: ask questions and I don't know the answer. When I 33 00:01:55,266 --> 00:01:58,226 Speaker 1: hear the trivia music time, I know this one. Quarterbacks. 34 00:01:58,226 --> 00:02:05,226 Speaker 1: Here we go, quarterbacks, fruit quarterbacks who were on the move. 35 00:02:05,266 --> 00:02:09,706 Speaker 1: We'll keep with the theme of today's shill quarterbacks who 36 00:02:09,746 --> 00:02:12,026 Speaker 1: are no longer with their teams and they've been shipped 37 00:02:12,026 --> 00:02:15,306 Speaker 1: out of town. Yeah, trade deadline exactly. They were all 38 00:02:15,346 --> 00:02:18,706 Speaker 1: traded on the NFL's trade deadline. You know, Mike, there 39 00:02:18,826 --> 00:02:21,346 Speaker 1: is just a lot more to learn about trades and 40 00:02:21,426 --> 00:02:25,226 Speaker 1: trades in general, and why the NFL treats the whole 41 00:02:25,266 --> 00:02:29,586 Speaker 1: trade deadline differently than perhaps the NBA or Major League Baseball, 42 00:02:29,786 --> 00:02:32,426 Speaker 1: So I think this is a really good opportunity to 43 00:02:32,586 --> 00:02:35,786 Speaker 1: dive into that as fans think about the makeup of 44 00:02:36,066 --> 00:02:38,386 Speaker 1: their team's rosters. Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. 45 00:02:38,506 --> 00:02:41,306 Speaker 1: Not to mention, I think getting the perspective from someone 46 00:02:41,346 --> 00:02:44,666 Speaker 1: who's been traded is always unique. I actually reached out 47 00:02:44,666 --> 00:02:46,146 Speaker 1: to a couple buddies that played in the league, and 48 00:02:46,186 --> 00:02:49,906 Speaker 1: none of them were actually traded, which also speaks to 49 00:02:50,186 --> 00:02:52,546 Speaker 1: sometimes the lack of movement that the NFL has, which 50 00:02:52,546 --> 00:02:54,826 Speaker 1: we'll get to. But Vernon Davis is going to be 51 00:02:54,866 --> 00:02:57,226 Speaker 1: stopping by a little bit later in this show. Certainly 52 00:02:57,266 --> 00:03:00,426 Speaker 1: pumped too to hear your conversation add with him. But 53 00:03:00,466 --> 00:03:03,866 Speaker 1: as you made reference to trade deadline coming the Tuesday 54 00:03:03,946 --> 00:03:08,466 Speaker 1: after week number eight so this season, four pm Eastern time, 55 00:03:08,906 --> 00:03:11,946 Speaker 1: November two this year. And I think there's actually a 56 00:03:11,986 --> 00:03:14,386 Speaker 1: lot of different ways we can dissect this. But the 57 00:03:14,466 --> 00:03:17,706 Speaker 1: first question is like why even have a trade deadline? 58 00:03:17,746 --> 00:03:20,146 Speaker 1: I think understanding trades is one thing, but add why 59 00:03:20,186 --> 00:03:22,626 Speaker 1: even bother? Well, first of all, the NFL is indeed 60 00:03:22,626 --> 00:03:29,986 Speaker 1: a deadline league. People like having deadlines a b Well, people, okay, 61 00:03:30,026 --> 00:03:32,066 Speaker 1: that's you know what, Mike, That's a much better way 62 00:03:32,106 --> 00:03:34,906 Speaker 1: to phrase it. People do need deadlines in the NFL 63 00:03:34,986 --> 00:03:38,266 Speaker 1: is certainly a league that needs deadlines too. I think 64 00:03:38,306 --> 00:03:42,466 Speaker 1: the timing of this deadline is tremendously notable. You know, 65 00:03:42,506 --> 00:03:45,586 Speaker 1: it used to be week six. It was moved back 66 00:03:45,666 --> 00:03:49,706 Speaker 1: to week eight starting in two thousand twelve. But even 67 00:03:49,786 --> 00:03:53,786 Speaker 1: though there is a movement, there are agents that wish 68 00:03:53,866 --> 00:03:57,346 Speaker 1: that trade deadline would be moved back even further. I 69 00:03:57,426 --> 00:04:00,586 Speaker 1: don't necessarily see that happening. And I'll give you a 70 00:04:00,586 --> 00:04:04,786 Speaker 1: few reasons. Number one, the NFL loves the idea of 71 00:04:04,906 --> 00:04:09,946 Speaker 1: competitive bows and parody, and the trade deadline being where 72 00:04:09,946 --> 00:04:14,666 Speaker 1: it is effectively prevents teams that are winning from stacking 73 00:04:14,666 --> 00:04:18,186 Speaker 1: their rosters as the playoffs get closer. The flip side 74 00:04:18,226 --> 00:04:23,306 Speaker 1: to that is it prevents teams that are sitting at 75 00:04:23,546 --> 00:04:27,546 Speaker 1: whatever one in six from having a fire sale. And 76 00:04:27,786 --> 00:04:29,626 Speaker 1: did I do the math on that right, No, I didn't. 77 00:04:29,626 --> 00:04:31,986 Speaker 1: It would have to be one in seven unless the 78 00:04:32,026 --> 00:04:33,946 Speaker 1: one in six team was on a by then it 79 00:04:33,946 --> 00:04:36,266 Speaker 1: would make sense of some money. We'll make the numbers 80 00:04:36,306 --> 00:04:38,546 Speaker 1: work either way. Well, I read well, and we'll got 81 00:04:38,546 --> 00:04:40,346 Speaker 1: to that because we will have to talk about making 82 00:04:40,386 --> 00:04:42,466 Speaker 1: the cap numbers work. But in any case, when you 83 00:04:42,466 --> 00:04:45,466 Speaker 1: think about the competitive balance here, the way the NFL 84 00:04:45,506 --> 00:04:49,506 Speaker 1: does its schedule is obviously you play your division mates 85 00:04:49,546 --> 00:04:53,306 Speaker 1: and then you're matched up against another division out of 86 00:04:53,346 --> 00:04:57,346 Speaker 1: the conference. So let's pretend, Mike that I'm an a 87 00:04:57,426 --> 00:04:59,466 Speaker 1: f C North team and this year I have to 88 00:04:59,546 --> 00:05:04,346 Speaker 1: play the NFC East and I end up playing the 89 00:05:04,386 --> 00:05:08,066 Speaker 1: Eagles and the Giant in in September and October. But 90 00:05:08,226 --> 00:05:11,546 Speaker 1: let's say you another a f C North team play 91 00:05:11,666 --> 00:05:15,106 Speaker 1: the Eagles and the Giants in December, when both of 92 00:05:15,146 --> 00:05:17,266 Speaker 1: them are already out of it and both of them 93 00:05:17,266 --> 00:05:20,146 Speaker 1: have basically gotten rid of all their great players. Well, 94 00:05:20,186 --> 00:05:23,586 Speaker 1: then I'm not playing the same type of team that 95 00:05:23,666 --> 00:05:26,146 Speaker 1: you are playing, and that's not particularly fair. I think 96 00:05:26,146 --> 00:05:27,826 Speaker 1: it's a really good point, and I think the reality 97 00:05:27,906 --> 00:05:30,666 Speaker 1: is that competitive balance is a really important distinction to 98 00:05:30,706 --> 00:05:32,666 Speaker 1: d D because the NFL has done a tremendous job. 99 00:05:32,786 --> 00:05:35,946 Speaker 1: Look no further than this season. I mean, every single 100 00:05:36,306 --> 00:05:40,186 Speaker 1: Sunday or Thursday or Monday, we're getting results with these 101 00:05:40,386 --> 00:05:43,746 Speaker 1: razor thin advantages and edges. You know that that old 102 00:05:43,786 --> 00:05:46,706 Speaker 1: cliche the game's battle of inches. Well, in a lot 103 00:05:46,786 --> 00:05:49,786 Speaker 1: of ways, it's kind of proved to be that way, 104 00:05:49,826 --> 00:05:51,786 Speaker 1: So it is really important to try to maintain that 105 00:05:51,826 --> 00:05:55,306 Speaker 1: competitive balance. I think it's also notable to say, you know, 106 00:05:55,346 --> 00:05:58,266 Speaker 1: you talked about this before, that we don't necessarily see 107 00:05:58,306 --> 00:06:01,706 Speaker 1: the same number of trades in the NFL that we 108 00:06:01,786 --> 00:06:05,266 Speaker 1: do maybe in baseball. So let's get into why that is. 109 00:06:05,786 --> 00:06:08,586 Speaker 1: You have give me, give me one idea. There's multiple reasons, 110 00:06:08,586 --> 00:06:10,186 Speaker 1: but go ahead and throw one at me. Look, the 111 00:06:10,386 --> 00:06:12,706 Speaker 1: biggest one you got to say, is this hard salary 112 00:06:12,706 --> 00:06:15,546 Speaker 1: cap in this idea of limiting the amount of dollars 113 00:06:15,586 --> 00:06:19,426 Speaker 1: that you can allocate for your team, and it is different. 114 00:06:19,466 --> 00:06:20,986 Speaker 1: You know, I spent a long time in my career 115 00:06:21,026 --> 00:06:23,466 Speaker 1: covering in the n b A. You don't necessarily have 116 00:06:23,506 --> 00:06:25,066 Speaker 1: to worry about that. If you've got a team owner 117 00:06:25,066 --> 00:06:27,106 Speaker 1: that's got some deep pockets, you know that soft cap 118 00:06:27,186 --> 00:06:29,186 Speaker 1: is something that is okay as long as your team 119 00:06:29,186 --> 00:06:32,066 Speaker 1: owner is willing to pay a luxury tax at the 120 00:06:32,146 --> 00:06:34,026 Speaker 1: end of the season. And then, of course you've got 121 00:06:34,026 --> 00:06:36,026 Speaker 1: a league like Major League Baseball where you can get 122 00:06:36,066 --> 00:06:39,306 Speaker 1: these mammoth mega deals and not have to worry about it. 123 00:06:39,306 --> 00:06:43,346 Speaker 1: Because Baseball doesn't have a salary cap, so the trade 124 00:06:43,386 --> 00:06:47,106 Speaker 1: deadline as a whole is just less busy just because 125 00:06:47,106 --> 00:06:49,466 Speaker 1: of the restraints that NFL teams have, and managing that 126 00:06:49,546 --> 00:06:53,346 Speaker 1: cap is a very hard mathematical equation. It needs to 127 00:06:53,386 --> 00:06:55,946 Speaker 1: be put into place, you know, Mike, you say that, 128 00:06:55,986 --> 00:06:58,186 Speaker 1: and it's very interesting who you talk to, because I 129 00:06:58,186 --> 00:07:00,426 Speaker 1: actually talked to an agent who has been a part 130 00:07:00,426 --> 00:07:03,666 Speaker 1: of a lot of negotiations over the last few years 131 00:07:03,786 --> 00:07:07,746 Speaker 1: leading up to the trade deadline, after offseason whatever, and 132 00:07:08,106 --> 00:07:10,466 Speaker 1: he kind of pooh pooed this idea, and he said, 133 00:07:10,546 --> 00:07:12,546 Speaker 1: if you want to make the mathwork, you can make 134 00:07:12,586 --> 00:07:14,986 Speaker 1: the mathwork. It's kind of like what we saw in 135 00:07:15,306 --> 00:07:19,066 Speaker 1: the movie Draft Day. But on the flip side, I 136 00:07:19,106 --> 00:07:21,626 Speaker 1: talked to a team executive who's really in charge of 137 00:07:21,786 --> 00:07:25,226 Speaker 1: managing his team's cap, and he was saying that there 138 00:07:25,266 --> 00:07:29,066 Speaker 1: are not a lot of teams that have flexibility, especially 139 00:07:29,626 --> 00:07:34,706 Speaker 1: when you're looking for somebody who's a high priced player. 140 00:07:34,826 --> 00:07:36,626 Speaker 1: Look at what just happened a couple of weeks ago, 141 00:07:36,706 --> 00:07:39,186 Speaker 1: Mike with a former Defensive Player of the Year in 142 00:07:39,226 --> 00:07:43,986 Speaker 1: Stefan Gilmour. How many teams could maneuver things to have 143 00:07:44,266 --> 00:07:48,546 Speaker 1: the cap room to acquire a player of that caliber 144 00:07:48,906 --> 00:07:52,066 Speaker 1: with a salary like that, not that many and so 145 00:07:52,106 --> 00:07:54,626 Speaker 1: the Panthers were indeed able to make that happen. But 146 00:07:54,786 --> 00:07:57,826 Speaker 1: I don't know how many other potential suitors there would 147 00:07:57,826 --> 00:08:00,466 Speaker 1: have been who could have done that. It's a great call, 148 00:08:00,786 --> 00:08:03,786 Speaker 1: and you know, I just remember even being here in 149 00:08:03,946 --> 00:08:06,666 Speaker 1: the San Francisco Bay area heading down until you buy 150 00:08:06,666 --> 00:08:09,226 Speaker 1: a stadium before the season had started, and there was 151 00:08:09,266 --> 00:08:12,906 Speaker 1: obviously this big back and forth among fans. Hey is 152 00:08:12,946 --> 00:08:14,466 Speaker 1: it Trey Lance, is it Jimmy G. What are you 153 00:08:14,506 --> 00:08:16,826 Speaker 1: supposed to do? Hey, we should go and trade Jimmy Garoppolo. Well, 154 00:08:16,866 --> 00:08:19,146 Speaker 1: the reality is, you know, at the beginning of the season, 155 00:08:19,146 --> 00:08:20,746 Speaker 1: as you made reference to a d D, there's not 156 00:08:20,906 --> 00:08:23,266 Speaker 1: many teams that have the room to take on a 157 00:08:23,306 --> 00:08:25,506 Speaker 1: salary cap hit. And if I'm not mistaken, it's like, 158 00:08:25,546 --> 00:08:28,346 Speaker 1: well into like the mid twenty millions is what Jimmy 159 00:08:28,426 --> 00:08:30,746 Speaker 1: G would bring to the table. So you know, there's 160 00:08:30,786 --> 00:08:33,826 Speaker 1: not a line of teams that you can say, Okay, 161 00:08:33,866 --> 00:08:36,946 Speaker 1: let's just make this work. And because it's the quarterback position, 162 00:08:36,946 --> 00:08:38,826 Speaker 1: and Daniel Jeremiada I think does a great job on 163 00:08:38,906 --> 00:08:43,826 Speaker 1: NFL Network when he's evaluating not only players, but talking 164 00:08:43,826 --> 00:08:45,986 Speaker 1: about sometimes the cap hit that some of these players 165 00:08:46,146 --> 00:08:50,266 Speaker 1: will will cost their teams, and they value at certain positions. Now, 166 00:08:50,306 --> 00:08:52,226 Speaker 1: the quarterback, you know, is the most important position on 167 00:08:52,266 --> 00:08:55,226 Speaker 1: the field. That position is going to allocate a larger number. 168 00:08:55,306 --> 00:08:57,626 Speaker 1: So when you're plugging and playing and trying to build 169 00:08:57,666 --> 00:09:01,026 Speaker 1: your roster, you're gonna allocate according to position in a 170 00:09:01,026 --> 00:09:02,906 Speaker 1: lot of ways, and some of those spots just have 171 00:09:02,986 --> 00:09:05,826 Speaker 1: higher value. But you know what, it's not only the cap, 172 00:09:05,986 --> 00:09:09,146 Speaker 1: it's also that there's no like huge feeding system. You know, 173 00:09:09,266 --> 00:09:12,186 Speaker 1: if you're if one quarterback goes down, what are you doing? Basically? 174 00:09:12,266 --> 00:09:15,146 Speaker 1: So think about it. If let's pretend we're playing baseball, 175 00:09:15,146 --> 00:09:19,946 Speaker 1: Mic and you are my first baseman, and I may 176 00:09:20,026 --> 00:09:22,426 Speaker 1: really like you at first base, but I've got two 177 00:09:22,786 --> 00:09:27,546 Speaker 1: unbelievable star first base prospects in my farm system. Well, 178 00:09:27,586 --> 00:09:29,986 Speaker 1: I don't need three great first baseman, so I may 179 00:09:30,026 --> 00:09:32,946 Speaker 1: as well move you In the NFL. Your fifty three 180 00:09:32,986 --> 00:09:35,146 Speaker 1: is kind of your fifty three. There's not necessarily a 181 00:09:35,146 --> 00:09:38,026 Speaker 1: feeding ground like that. There's not necessarily a place to 182 00:09:38,146 --> 00:09:40,906 Speaker 1: plug somebody in, and you never know what can happen 183 00:09:40,946 --> 00:09:44,426 Speaker 1: on the injury front. I'm thinking about before this season 184 00:09:44,706 --> 00:09:48,026 Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers, James Washington seemed to be a receiver 185 00:09:48,146 --> 00:09:50,986 Speaker 1: who was sort of an odd man out, a tremendously 186 00:09:51,106 --> 00:09:55,266 Speaker 1: talented player, especially down the field, but with Deonte Johnson 187 00:09:55,386 --> 00:09:58,546 Speaker 1: and Chase Claypool and Juju Smith Schuster, you know, James 188 00:09:58,546 --> 00:10:00,746 Speaker 1: Washington just felt like there weren't a lot of snaps 189 00:10:00,786 --> 00:10:05,066 Speaker 1: to be had, and he or his representation approached the 190 00:10:05,106 --> 00:10:07,346 Speaker 1: Steelers about trade. The Steelers didn't want to do it, 191 00:10:07,386 --> 00:10:09,826 Speaker 1: and then lo and behold, Juju Smith Schuster gets hurt 192 00:10:09,826 --> 00:10:12,226 Speaker 1: and his loss for the year. The Steelers need James Washington. 193 00:10:12,586 --> 00:10:15,026 Speaker 1: Had they moved on from him, then where would they 194 00:10:15,026 --> 00:10:16,706 Speaker 1: be a d D. To be clear, you're not going 195 00:10:16,786 --> 00:10:18,946 Speaker 1: to trade me. I'm a locker room guy. Not only 196 00:10:18,946 --> 00:10:21,386 Speaker 1: do I put up historic numbers every single season, and 197 00:10:21,426 --> 00:10:23,586 Speaker 1: I'm always in the m v P conversation. I'm good 198 00:10:23,586 --> 00:10:25,786 Speaker 1: in the locker room. Oh come on now, Mike, don't 199 00:10:25,786 --> 00:10:29,106 Speaker 1: you know that anybody is tradeable? I knew a coach 200 00:10:29,146 --> 00:10:31,266 Speaker 1: who once said that he'd considered trading his wife if 201 00:10:31,266 --> 00:10:34,146 Speaker 1: he could get two first round picks. Sounds like the 202 00:10:34,186 --> 00:10:37,026 Speaker 1: happiest of marriages. By the way, when I hear something 203 00:10:37,146 --> 00:10:40,026 Speaker 1: like that, although two first rounders is sort of a 204 00:10:40,146 --> 00:10:42,546 Speaker 1: king's ransom there, we know, how if you're throwing in 205 00:10:42,586 --> 00:10:45,266 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, right, if it's Aaron Rodgers and two first rounders, 206 00:10:45,266 --> 00:10:47,786 Speaker 1: well then uh, but then maybe it is something that 207 00:10:47,826 --> 00:10:50,546 Speaker 1: you need to consider, you know, a d The one 208 00:10:50,546 --> 00:10:52,506 Speaker 1: thing that's I think we've done a pretty good job 209 00:10:52,546 --> 00:10:56,746 Speaker 1: of on this podcast is give people answers. And there's 210 00:10:56,826 --> 00:10:59,706 Speaker 1: one question that we can't answer with the trade deadline 211 00:10:59,746 --> 00:11:02,826 Speaker 1: basically a week away. Who's on the move? We don't 212 00:11:02,906 --> 00:11:05,826 Speaker 1: know who that player or players are going to be you, 213 00:11:05,866 --> 00:11:07,586 Speaker 1: But when we come back, we'll give you a sense 214 00:11:07,626 --> 00:11:08,986 Speaker 1: of some of the big name guys as we go 215 00:11:09,066 --> 00:11:11,826 Speaker 1: down memory lane who worshipped and maybe it was a 216 00:11:11,826 --> 00:11:14,506 Speaker 1: surprise to not only those players but those fan bases. 217 00:11:14,826 --> 00:11:18,346 Speaker 1: And add your conversation with a guy who was traded 218 00:11:18,386 --> 00:11:22,226 Speaker 1: in Vernon Davis from the Niners to the Broncos. It 219 00:11:22,386 --> 00:11:24,426 Speaker 1: actually ended up not being the worst thing in the world, 220 00:11:24,466 --> 00:11:27,226 Speaker 1: because he's got some blaing on his hand because of it. 221 00:11:27,346 --> 00:11:28,706 Speaker 1: But can't wait to hear some of the things that 222 00:11:28,746 --> 00:11:30,426 Speaker 1: he had to tell you. I don't know if he 223 00:11:30,466 --> 00:11:32,986 Speaker 1: was necessarily happy or sad about it. We'll get into 224 00:11:33,026 --> 00:11:35,426 Speaker 1: it with him how he found out, if he even 225 00:11:35,466 --> 00:11:40,866 Speaker 1: suspected it, and whether he did the happy dance or 226 00:11:40,986 --> 00:11:43,786 Speaker 1: if all he could think about was crap. 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A 259 00:13:29,346 --> 00:13:31,146 Speaker 1: DD will get to that in just a second here. 260 00:13:31,186 --> 00:13:34,866 Speaker 1: But I think as we were trying to explain why 261 00:13:34,906 --> 00:13:37,586 Speaker 1: you don't necessarily see a ton of trades around the 262 00:13:37,586 --> 00:13:40,026 Speaker 1: trade deadline in the NFL compared to some other sports, 263 00:13:40,226 --> 00:13:43,106 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick a couple of years ago back in actually 264 00:13:43,106 --> 00:13:46,026 Speaker 1: gave some really good context as to why that is. Well, 265 00:13:46,026 --> 00:13:48,986 Speaker 1: we brought up baseball before right in the comparison that 266 00:13:49,026 --> 00:13:52,146 Speaker 1: there's not necessarily a feeding system, the cap is not 267 00:13:52,306 --> 00:13:57,226 Speaker 1: hard like that. Belichick actually talked about getting a player 268 00:13:57,506 --> 00:13:59,986 Speaker 1: up to speeds, so listen to this is what he said. 269 00:14:00,266 --> 00:14:02,706 Speaker 1: It's so hard to get a guy ready in a 270 00:14:02,786 --> 00:14:05,466 Speaker 1: short amount of time. I don't know that much about 271 00:14:05,466 --> 00:14:07,666 Speaker 1: base ball, but maybe you take a third baseman on 272 00:14:07,706 --> 00:14:09,386 Speaker 1: this team and put him at third base on the 273 00:14:09,426 --> 00:14:11,746 Speaker 1: other team and let him hit. How much is there 274 00:14:11,786 --> 00:14:14,866 Speaker 1: involved in that? I'm sure there's some, but it's not 275 00:14:14,986 --> 00:14:18,306 Speaker 1: like playing left guard and having twenty different protections and 276 00:14:18,426 --> 00:14:21,386 Speaker 1: two dozen running plays and a dozen different defenses you 277 00:14:21,426 --> 00:14:26,066 Speaker 1: have to block on every week. It's a lot more involved, 278 00:14:27,146 --> 00:14:29,826 Speaker 1: I have to say really quickly. Are you surprised that 279 00:14:29,946 --> 00:14:33,826 Speaker 1: Belichick is making football sound way more intellectual and smarter 280 00:14:33,946 --> 00:14:37,506 Speaker 1: than baseball? Uh? No, but I think he is onto 281 00:14:37,546 --> 00:14:39,946 Speaker 1: something with his observation there, at least when it comes 282 00:14:39,986 --> 00:14:41,906 Speaker 1: to baseball. I think you can make an argument, even 283 00:14:41,986 --> 00:14:44,026 Speaker 1: on the basketball side at dB. I think that that's 284 00:14:44,106 --> 00:14:47,786 Speaker 1: very fair true, and that's why you may see a 285 00:14:47,866 --> 00:14:50,946 Speaker 1: veteran player more likely to be traded at the trade deadline, 286 00:14:51,066 --> 00:14:52,946 Speaker 1: someone who could get up to speed a little bit 287 00:14:52,986 --> 00:14:57,226 Speaker 1: more quickly, but ultimately, Mike, it is very very hard 288 00:14:57,386 --> 00:15:02,146 Speaker 1: in football for one player to be the absolute difference maker. 289 00:15:02,826 --> 00:15:05,706 Speaker 1: Unlike in basketball. If we're talking about the NBA right now, 290 00:15:05,906 --> 00:15:09,186 Speaker 1: one guy in you're starting five can make an enormous difference. 291 00:15:09,506 --> 00:15:12,866 Speaker 1: One guy in you're starting twenty two. In the NFL 292 00:15:13,546 --> 00:15:17,186 Speaker 1: is not necessarily completely changing the way you play. Could 293 00:15:17,266 --> 00:15:19,586 Speaker 1: not agree with you more. Talk about this all the 294 00:15:19,626 --> 00:15:22,666 Speaker 1: time and the NBA, one single player really can be 295 00:15:22,826 --> 00:15:25,666 Speaker 1: the difference. And while you can make an argument you 296 00:15:25,746 --> 00:15:27,266 Speaker 1: got the quarterback, you've got a chance to win. In 297 00:15:27,266 --> 00:15:29,866 Speaker 1: the NFL, there are a lot of moving parts, especially 298 00:15:29,906 --> 00:15:32,266 Speaker 1: in front. I mean, if an offensive line can't get 299 00:15:32,306 --> 00:15:34,746 Speaker 1: it done, or you know, from a defensive perspective, you 300 00:15:34,746 --> 00:15:37,586 Speaker 1: can't get enough pressure on your opposing quarterback. Like, there's 301 00:15:37,626 --> 00:15:40,066 Speaker 1: a lot of moving parts the NBA, that one on 302 00:15:40,066 --> 00:15:43,146 Speaker 1: one isolation game sometimes can put you over the top. 303 00:15:43,226 --> 00:15:46,586 Speaker 1: But all of these factors aside. You know, Ded, we 304 00:15:46,626 --> 00:15:50,546 Speaker 1: actually have had notable trades for big name players around 305 00:15:50,546 --> 00:15:52,666 Speaker 1: the deadline, and I do want to throw out a 306 00:15:52,706 --> 00:15:55,106 Speaker 1: couple of those players. Leondard Williams, speaking of defense, is 307 00:15:55,106 --> 00:15:57,066 Speaker 1: one of those guys who remember was the six overall 308 00:15:57,106 --> 00:16:00,546 Speaker 1: pick back and a couple of years ago in twenty nineteen, 309 00:16:00,586 --> 00:16:02,706 Speaker 1: traded from the Jets to the Giants. Not a good 310 00:16:02,706 --> 00:16:04,506 Speaker 1: thing for him, and you made reference to it when 311 00:16:04,546 --> 00:16:07,826 Speaker 1: we were teasing Vernon d of his packing is never fun. Uh, 312 00:16:07,986 --> 00:16:10,666 Speaker 1: didn't necessarily have to pack. I don't think to to 313 00:16:10,786 --> 00:16:14,426 Speaker 1: move too far if you are Leonard Williams from that perspective, 314 00:16:14,826 --> 00:16:17,386 Speaker 1: Golden Tate the wide receiver, remember he was at the 315 00:16:17,386 --> 00:16:19,866 Speaker 1: time the leading of receiver on that football team. Goes 316 00:16:19,866 --> 00:16:23,586 Speaker 1: from the Lions to the Eagles back in eighteen. Jimmy Garoppolo, 317 00:16:23,666 --> 00:16:25,146 Speaker 1: I know we've made reference to him a couple of 318 00:16:25,186 --> 00:16:28,346 Speaker 1: times in this show. And Bill Belichick Patriots to the 319 00:16:28,426 --> 00:16:31,506 Speaker 1: Niners in exchange for a second rounder. Sodd. You're seeing 320 00:16:31,546 --> 00:16:33,866 Speaker 1: some of these names of some players who have actually 321 00:16:33,906 --> 00:16:36,906 Speaker 1: had a pretty good impact on their respective teams post 322 00:16:36,946 --> 00:16:39,146 Speaker 1: that trade, like Carson Palmer when he moved from the 323 00:16:39,186 --> 00:16:41,866 Speaker 1: Bengals to the Raidiers, still for the first and second 324 00:16:41,946 --> 00:16:45,266 Speaker 1: round picks. Right, Roy Williams, wide receiver, you know, Lions 325 00:16:45,306 --> 00:16:48,546 Speaker 1: to the Cowboys. You know you think about the impact 326 00:16:48,546 --> 00:16:50,946 Speaker 1: that some of these guys are able to put together. 327 00:16:51,106 --> 00:16:54,466 Speaker 1: What you think about the extra guys to the ancillary guys. 328 00:16:54,466 --> 00:16:57,186 Speaker 1: So you're talking about major, mega trades. What about the 329 00:16:57,186 --> 00:17:01,026 Speaker 1: herschel Walker trade was back in he went from the 330 00:17:01,026 --> 00:17:04,826 Speaker 1: Cowboys to the Vikings. There were eighteen players along with 331 00:17:04,906 --> 00:17:07,226 Speaker 1: draft picks and of don that. So think if you're 332 00:17:07,266 --> 00:17:09,786 Speaker 1: like the third string tight end and you're just showing 333 00:17:09,866 --> 00:17:11,666 Speaker 1: up to do your job and play special teams, and 334 00:17:11,666 --> 00:17:13,786 Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're telling your wife up, we 335 00:17:13,866 --> 00:17:16,106 Speaker 1: gotta back up, and we're leaving all of a sudden, 336 00:17:16,106 --> 00:17:17,906 Speaker 1: and you're just like, I didn't even know anybody on 337 00:17:17,946 --> 00:17:21,226 Speaker 1: any team new that I existed, you know. And it's 338 00:17:21,386 --> 00:17:23,386 Speaker 1: that's across the board, right and every single sport when 339 00:17:23,386 --> 00:17:26,106 Speaker 1: you're trying to make some of those numbers work. When 340 00:17:26,106 --> 00:17:28,186 Speaker 1: you were having that conversation with you know, I don't 341 00:17:28,186 --> 00:17:30,826 Speaker 1: know whether it's agents or other players around that time, 342 00:17:31,146 --> 00:17:35,186 Speaker 1: the life stuff that gets involved. How difficult has is 343 00:17:35,226 --> 00:17:37,346 Speaker 1: there like any perspective that you got from any of 344 00:17:37,386 --> 00:17:39,746 Speaker 1: that group about just how difficult it is to be 345 00:17:39,786 --> 00:17:42,026 Speaker 1: on the move when you're not necessarily like the star 346 00:17:42,146 --> 00:17:45,066 Speaker 1: player in a trade. Actually, Mike, this is really funny. 347 00:17:45,106 --> 00:17:48,666 Speaker 1: This is reminding me of earlier this year, and again 348 00:17:48,866 --> 00:17:52,426 Speaker 1: I'm sticking with I'm just sticking with the a f 349 00:17:52,506 --> 00:17:56,226 Speaker 1: C North year. But Joe Schobert, who was a linebacker 350 00:17:56,306 --> 00:17:58,626 Speaker 1: with the Browns for a long time and then was 351 00:17:58,666 --> 00:18:02,466 Speaker 1: playing down in Jacksonville, was traded to the Steelers just 352 00:18:02,586 --> 00:18:06,906 Speaker 1: before the start of the season. And he's a I Megan, 353 00:18:07,306 --> 00:18:11,106 Speaker 1: they have a young child. Uh, they have a baby. 354 00:18:11,226 --> 00:18:15,346 Speaker 1: And Megan took to Twitter or TikTok or somewhere on 355 00:18:15,426 --> 00:18:21,386 Speaker 1: social media and basically made a joke of being traded 356 00:18:21,706 --> 00:18:24,546 Speaker 1: after they had just bought their first house together with 357 00:18:24,626 --> 00:18:27,786 Speaker 1: a baby, while her husband was already gone to his 358 00:18:27,866 --> 00:18:31,146 Speaker 1: new team, so she had to pack up her house, 359 00:18:31,626 --> 00:18:33,986 Speaker 1: manage the child, figure out where they were moving, do 360 00:18:34,066 --> 00:18:36,626 Speaker 1: the whole entire thing by herself. And she basically made 361 00:18:36,626 --> 00:18:38,506 Speaker 1: this joke like the NFL does this and they're not 362 00:18:38,546 --> 00:18:42,626 Speaker 1: sending me wine. And a few weeks later, she tweets 363 00:18:42,626 --> 00:18:45,986 Speaker 1: a picture of herself with like a case of wine 364 00:18:46,066 --> 00:18:48,466 Speaker 1: or you know, six bottles of wine, and she goes, 365 00:18:48,546 --> 00:18:53,586 Speaker 1: thank you Steelers. So I guess somebody from the Steelers 366 00:18:53,586 --> 00:18:56,506 Speaker 1: decided to take pity on her and send her reinforcements. 367 00:18:56,786 --> 00:18:59,186 Speaker 1: Those are the best reinforcements you could possibly have that 368 00:18:59,226 --> 00:19:01,626 Speaker 1: will get you through some rough packing moments, for sure, 369 00:19:01,666 --> 00:19:04,066 Speaker 1: and some tense moments as things are trying to get 370 00:19:04,066 --> 00:19:07,226 Speaker 1: loaded out onto that truck, well for sure. But you 371 00:19:07,226 --> 00:19:11,306 Speaker 1: know what I think would be super super interesting is 372 00:19:11,346 --> 00:19:16,066 Speaker 1: the trades that almost happened at the trade deadline and 373 00:19:16,106 --> 00:19:19,026 Speaker 1: then didn't. And I bring that up because I have 374 00:19:19,346 --> 00:19:23,466 Speaker 1: a friend, Peter Schaefer, who is one of the smartest, 375 00:19:23,786 --> 00:19:26,906 Speaker 1: most accomplished NFL agents and has been at this game 376 00:19:26,946 --> 00:19:30,106 Speaker 1: for a long time in the NFL, and I was 377 00:19:30,146 --> 00:19:32,106 Speaker 1: picking his brain a little bit about some of his 378 00:19:32,186 --> 00:19:35,266 Speaker 1: best stories. And actually one of his best stories is 379 00:19:35,306 --> 00:19:37,986 Speaker 1: about our good friend Joe Thomas, says. We all know 380 00:19:38,066 --> 00:19:40,506 Speaker 1: Joe Thomas, a likely future Hall of Famer, played his 381 00:19:40,706 --> 00:19:45,346 Speaker 1: entire career in Cleveland. Joe felt very strongly about the 382 00:19:45,466 --> 00:19:50,506 Speaker 1: organization and the city and felt loyalty to the Browns, 383 00:19:50,826 --> 00:19:52,826 Speaker 1: although considering how much losing he did and how many 384 00:19:52,906 --> 00:19:55,706 Speaker 1: quarterbacks he had to play with, one questions why he did. 385 00:19:55,826 --> 00:20:00,346 Speaker 1: But he did, and so he would never actively seek 386 00:20:00,386 --> 00:20:03,266 Speaker 1: a trade and he didn't want anybody to know that 387 00:20:03,386 --> 00:20:06,306 Speaker 1: he wanted to be traded. But their him of time 388 00:20:06,826 --> 00:20:10,826 Speaker 1: when he and his agent had a conversation and he 389 00:20:10,826 --> 00:20:13,946 Speaker 1: heard that there was some potential interest out there for him, 390 00:20:14,026 --> 00:20:16,906 Speaker 1: or there was always interest, but that maybe the Browns 391 00:20:16,986 --> 00:20:19,866 Speaker 1: would be willing to move him at the right price. 392 00:20:20,226 --> 00:20:24,146 Speaker 1: And so Joe said, well, I don't actively want to trade. 393 00:20:24,186 --> 00:20:27,106 Speaker 1: I don't actively want to go, but you know, if 394 00:20:27,266 --> 00:20:30,946 Speaker 1: you want to see what's out there, there are certain 395 00:20:30,946 --> 00:20:35,706 Speaker 1: places that I could potentially listen to. So let's fast 396 00:20:35,746 --> 00:20:39,546 Speaker 1: forward and the Denver Broncos same year that Vernon Davis 397 00:20:39,546 --> 00:20:42,546 Speaker 1: was traded at the trade deadline, John E. White was 398 00:20:42,706 --> 00:20:45,306 Speaker 1: kind of a mover and shaker that year in two 399 00:20:45,346 --> 00:20:48,626 Speaker 1: thousand fifteen, and so the Denver Broncos and the Cleveland 400 00:20:48,706 --> 00:20:52,506 Speaker 1: Browns and Joe Thomas's agent all sort of had these 401 00:20:52,546 --> 00:20:56,506 Speaker 1: conversations about whether Joe Thomas should go to Denver. And 402 00:20:57,066 --> 00:21:01,306 Speaker 1: you know, Peter Shaffer told me that these conversations started 403 00:21:01,346 --> 00:21:04,106 Speaker 1: maybe a week before the deadline. As they got closer 404 00:21:04,146 --> 00:21:06,706 Speaker 1: to the deadline, both teams were a little bit more 405 00:21:06,706 --> 00:21:11,226 Speaker 1: willing to give. And you know, Joe was again like 406 00:21:11,386 --> 00:21:16,066 Speaker 1: very adamant, I'm not looking to be traded, but if 407 00:21:16,106 --> 00:21:18,666 Speaker 1: this is the best thing for all sides, Denver would 408 00:21:18,666 --> 00:21:22,306 Speaker 1: work for him. And so it almost got done, and 409 00:21:22,346 --> 00:21:25,306 Speaker 1: then it ultimately didn't and Peter didn't even he doesn't 410 00:21:25,346 --> 00:21:27,906 Speaker 1: even remember what exactly blew up the whole thing, but 411 00:21:28,146 --> 00:21:31,466 Speaker 1: they worked right to the wire, couldn't get a deal done. 412 00:21:32,106 --> 00:21:34,666 Speaker 1: And I was just stunned at the idea of Joe 413 00:21:34,706 --> 00:21:39,986 Speaker 1: Thomas potentially going to Denver, protecting Peyton Manning's blindside and 414 00:21:40,026 --> 00:21:42,786 Speaker 1: winning a Super Bowl, which would be a completely different 415 00:21:42,826 --> 00:21:46,586 Speaker 1: identity than Joe Thomas, who spent his entire career with 416 00:21:46,906 --> 00:21:50,226 Speaker 1: a Brown's team that was just kind of levable losers. Yeah, 417 00:21:50,306 --> 00:21:51,906 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's wild too, because you think about 418 00:21:51,906 --> 00:21:53,866 Speaker 1: a legacy that a player has when they spend their 419 00:21:53,986 --> 00:21:57,226 Speaker 1: entire career in one spot, and you see that more 420 00:21:57,266 --> 00:21:59,746 Speaker 1: often than not in the NFL, and I think in 421 00:21:59,826 --> 00:22:02,786 Speaker 1: other sports there's somewhat of a jealousy from some of 422 00:22:02,826 --> 00:22:05,506 Speaker 1: the other players that don't always get to do those 423 00:22:05,546 --> 00:22:07,546 Speaker 1: type types of things. Like you know, you think about 424 00:22:07,786 --> 00:22:10,386 Speaker 1: you know, Dirk, for example, in a Dallas Mavericks uniform 425 00:22:10,426 --> 00:22:12,466 Speaker 1: for a long period of time, Jeter and Baseball wearing 426 00:22:12,466 --> 00:22:15,426 Speaker 1: that Yankees uniform. There's something special about being able to 427 00:22:15,426 --> 00:22:18,866 Speaker 1: be a city's person. You mentioned some of the deals 428 00:22:18,906 --> 00:22:20,666 Speaker 1: that that were at least one deal on Joe Thomas 429 00:22:20,706 --> 00:22:23,786 Speaker 1: that didn't get done as they're creeping too that deadline 430 00:22:23,866 --> 00:22:26,386 Speaker 1: and adety. I can't even imagine what the truck was 431 00:22:26,386 --> 00:22:30,586 Speaker 1: actually filled like. From a Vernon Davis family perspective, coming up, 432 00:22:30,746 --> 00:22:33,226 Speaker 1: something tells me that Vernon Davis wasn't the person who 433 00:22:33,266 --> 00:22:35,306 Speaker 1: was actually doing the packing when he was going from 434 00:22:35,306 --> 00:22:39,026 Speaker 1: the Niners to Denver. 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He 466 00:24:39,026 --> 00:24:43,266 Speaker 1: is a seasoned actor and I'm thinking that playing for 467 00:24:43,386 --> 00:24:46,666 Speaker 1: multiple different teams and having to be a different person 468 00:24:46,746 --> 00:24:49,946 Speaker 1: for different teams kind of prepped you for this life 469 00:24:49,986 --> 00:24:53,386 Speaker 1: as an actor. Vernon, Yeah, I mean it's um. I 470 00:24:53,386 --> 00:24:55,746 Speaker 1: feel like everything that you go through in life always 471 00:24:55,786 --> 00:24:58,746 Speaker 1: prepares you for the next moment, whatever that is going 472 00:24:58,786 --> 00:25:01,306 Speaker 1: to be. And in this case, it's been football. Football 473 00:25:01,346 --> 00:25:03,826 Speaker 1: has been my journey, it's been my life, It's been everything, 474 00:25:04,266 --> 00:25:08,026 Speaker 1: and I learned some valuable lessons throughout the journey. Okay, 475 00:25:08,026 --> 00:25:10,266 Speaker 1: so we want to talk to you about one very 476 00:25:10,386 --> 00:25:14,346 Speaker 1: very specific moment in that football journey. You, my friend, 477 00:25:15,066 --> 00:25:18,386 Speaker 1: the day before the trade deadline in two thousand fifteen, 478 00:25:19,506 --> 00:25:22,706 Speaker 1: somehow find out that the longest tenured player on the 479 00:25:22,746 --> 00:25:26,466 Speaker 1: San Francisco forty Niners, you were going to leave town. 480 00:25:27,306 --> 00:25:29,866 Speaker 1: And what I read is that you were actually very 481 00:25:29,986 --> 00:25:33,386 Speaker 1: very surprised by this. So can you tell us were 482 00:25:33,386 --> 00:25:36,426 Speaker 1: there any inklings at all? Why were you so surprised 483 00:25:36,506 --> 00:25:39,386 Speaker 1: and how did you find out? Let me tell you. 484 00:25:39,426 --> 00:25:43,826 Speaker 1: So this time I went down. Let me take you back, right, 485 00:25:43,866 --> 00:25:47,706 Speaker 1: So we we just finished the game, I believe, yes, No, 486 00:25:48,026 --> 00:25:51,146 Speaker 1: I vividly remember we were playing the St. Louis Rams, 487 00:25:51,186 --> 00:25:53,066 Speaker 1: the old Ramps when they were playing in St. Louis, 488 00:25:53,306 --> 00:25:55,546 Speaker 1: So we just finished that game, and I believe I 489 00:25:55,626 --> 00:25:59,266 Speaker 1: led the team in receptions that day. So go home, 490 00:25:59,386 --> 00:26:01,066 Speaker 1: get up. That next morning, I see my phone. I 491 00:26:01,066 --> 00:26:03,706 Speaker 1: got a text from Trent Balk, the general management of 492 00:26:03,746 --> 00:26:08,506 Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty nine. He said, when you get this, 493 00:26:08,826 --> 00:26:11,626 Speaker 1: come in and see me. So automatically already knew what 494 00:26:11,666 --> 00:26:13,746 Speaker 1: it was because I heard stories about me going to 495 00:26:13,826 --> 00:26:16,466 Speaker 1: another team and this and that, but I wasn't quite sure. 496 00:26:16,546 --> 00:26:18,186 Speaker 1: So I go in and sit down in front of him. 497 00:26:18,186 --> 00:26:19,746 Speaker 1: I was like, I sit in front of him, I 498 00:26:19,786 --> 00:26:24,226 Speaker 1: take a deep breath. Am I being traded? He looked 499 00:26:24,266 --> 00:26:26,426 Speaker 1: at me, and I looked at him. He said, yes. 500 00:26:28,266 --> 00:26:30,506 Speaker 1: At that moment, let me tell you, I felt like 501 00:26:31,146 --> 00:26:34,946 Speaker 1: everything was spending so fast. I saw my whole entire 502 00:26:35,026 --> 00:26:36,986 Speaker 1: career with the San Francisco for you now to just 503 00:26:37,026 --> 00:26:40,546 Speaker 1: go back so fast. And it was very, very heartbreaking 504 00:26:40,906 --> 00:26:43,866 Speaker 1: to hear that I was being traded. It's like one 505 00:26:43,866 --> 00:26:45,466 Speaker 1: of those things like when the team that you've been 506 00:26:45,466 --> 00:26:48,066 Speaker 1: playing with for so long they want to get rid 507 00:26:48,066 --> 00:26:49,666 Speaker 1: of you. That's that's how you feel. They just want 508 00:26:49,666 --> 00:26:51,146 Speaker 1: to get rid of you. They don't want you know more, 509 00:26:51,706 --> 00:26:54,066 Speaker 1: And uh, it's only right to feel that way because 510 00:26:54,066 --> 00:26:56,506 Speaker 1: I'm a human being. I mean, we're humans, and humans 511 00:26:56,746 --> 00:26:59,346 Speaker 1: have feelings, we have emotions. But I sat there and 512 00:26:59,386 --> 00:27:00,866 Speaker 1: we kind of went through some of the teams that 513 00:27:00,906 --> 00:27:03,466 Speaker 1: were interested in me, and the Denver Broncos came up 514 00:27:03,506 --> 00:27:07,946 Speaker 1: at the time, and uh, I was like, okay, I 515 00:27:07,986 --> 00:27:11,266 Speaker 1: guess I'll be going to Denver, right And you know, 516 00:27:11,306 --> 00:27:14,186 Speaker 1: I had done my research after that meeting, and you're 517 00:27:14,186 --> 00:27:15,826 Speaker 1: just kind of looking at the teams, and to me, 518 00:27:15,906 --> 00:27:18,546 Speaker 1: I felt like Denver had a great chance of winning 519 00:27:18,546 --> 00:27:21,106 Speaker 1: the super Bowl. And as we all know, I was 520 00:27:21,226 --> 00:27:26,386 Speaker 1: right about that winning a Super Bowl year sixteen. Back 521 00:27:26,426 --> 00:27:31,266 Speaker 1: and leave stadium where where I was sent out. Wait, 522 00:27:31,306 --> 00:27:33,306 Speaker 1: but okay, so Vernon take me back then. So when 523 00:27:33,306 --> 00:27:35,986 Speaker 1: trump Bulky called you in, he was saying, we do 524 00:27:36,146 --> 00:27:38,266 Speaker 1: need to move on from you. But he didn't already 525 00:27:38,266 --> 00:27:40,426 Speaker 1: have a trade partner. He allowed you to have some 526 00:27:40,586 --> 00:27:42,946 Speaker 1: say in where he sent you. Well, he had like 527 00:27:43,026 --> 00:27:45,346 Speaker 1: three teams that he was showing me, and it was 528 00:27:45,506 --> 00:27:48,826 Speaker 1: like it was kind of weird, you know, in my 529 00:27:48,906 --> 00:27:51,706 Speaker 1: opinion from what I've heard, you know, what guys get traded, 530 00:27:51,746 --> 00:27:53,626 Speaker 1: they're going you don't really have any say, so in 531 00:27:53,666 --> 00:27:56,386 Speaker 1: this case, it was almost as if I had an 532 00:27:56,426 --> 00:27:58,746 Speaker 1: opportunity to pick with team I wanted to go play with. 533 00:27:59,106 --> 00:28:00,786 Speaker 1: Do you think that was out of respect for the 534 00:28:00,826 --> 00:28:03,186 Speaker 1: ten years you'd given the forty Niners? I think that's 535 00:28:03,186 --> 00:28:05,186 Speaker 1: probably out of respect, you know what I mean? He 536 00:28:05,306 --> 00:28:08,306 Speaker 1: was they were being They wanted to be uh kind 537 00:28:08,466 --> 00:28:10,786 Speaker 1: and you know, just kind of you know, part ways 538 00:28:10,826 --> 00:28:12,626 Speaker 1: and the spirits. What can you tell U you the 539 00:28:12,666 --> 00:28:14,546 Speaker 1: other two words? She wasn't? I think one team was 540 00:28:14,626 --> 00:28:17,506 Speaker 1: Miami and another team Gosh, I can't remember because it 541 00:28:17,546 --> 00:28:20,106 Speaker 1: happened so fast, but it was Miami and it was Dimmer. 542 00:28:20,266 --> 00:28:22,426 Speaker 1: Those are the two teams that I remember. Did you 543 00:28:22,426 --> 00:28:24,826 Speaker 1: ask him? Why did you say? I've given you ten 544 00:28:24,906 --> 00:28:27,386 Speaker 1: years of my life. I just caught more balls than 545 00:28:27,426 --> 00:28:30,306 Speaker 1: anybody else? Why? What was your what's the decision on this? 546 00:28:30,426 --> 00:28:32,026 Speaker 1: What He's like? We just feel like we want to 547 00:28:32,026 --> 00:28:33,986 Speaker 1: go in another direction, That's all he said. He kept 548 00:28:33,986 --> 00:28:35,706 Speaker 1: it short and sweet. I feel like we want to 549 00:28:35,706 --> 00:28:38,186 Speaker 1: go in another direction, all right. That just feels like 550 00:28:38,186 --> 00:28:40,386 Speaker 1: a guy saying to me, it's not you, it's me. 551 00:28:40,706 --> 00:28:42,666 Speaker 1: When he said that, I had this little tip just 552 00:28:43,786 --> 00:28:49,026 Speaker 1: like and they landed in my right hand. Oh who 553 00:28:49,026 --> 00:28:51,386 Speaker 1: did you call? Who did you call first? You walked 554 00:28:51,386 --> 00:28:53,546 Speaker 1: out of Trent bal Key's office, Who'd you call first? 555 00:28:53,666 --> 00:28:55,266 Speaker 1: And the time I called my kids mom, and then 556 00:28:55,306 --> 00:28:58,306 Speaker 1: I called my grandmother, called my brother, um. Yeah, And 557 00:28:58,346 --> 00:28:59,946 Speaker 1: I was just letting you know hey and moving on 558 00:29:00,026 --> 00:29:02,666 Speaker 1: and being traded, and that's how it all went down. 559 00:29:03,066 --> 00:29:06,306 Speaker 1: And then how many days after that converse ation did 560 00:29:06,306 --> 00:29:07,866 Speaker 1: you find out you were actually going to Denver? I 561 00:29:07,906 --> 00:29:11,026 Speaker 1: knew right away that. Oh okay, so you had the meeting. 562 00:29:11,066 --> 00:29:13,026 Speaker 1: He said who do you like? You said Denver and 563 00:29:13,066 --> 00:29:15,106 Speaker 1: he said, okay, it's going to be Denver. Yeah, it 564 00:29:15,186 --> 00:29:16,546 Speaker 1: was kind of he was saying who do I like? 565 00:29:16,626 --> 00:29:18,506 Speaker 1: But he was kind of pushing, really pushing Denver on 566 00:29:18,586 --> 00:29:21,626 Speaker 1: me because they were that John Elway was, you know, 567 00:29:21,706 --> 00:29:24,946 Speaker 1: he was really he was very interested in bringing me in. 568 00:29:25,106 --> 00:29:27,586 Speaker 1: So it was almost as if that was the team, 569 00:29:27,666 --> 00:29:29,506 Speaker 1: you know it was, that was the TEA made sense 570 00:29:29,546 --> 00:29:31,946 Speaker 1: for for me, it made sense for everyone. I mean, 571 00:29:31,986 --> 00:29:34,866 Speaker 1: I guess it just worked out that way. Okay, So 572 00:29:35,026 --> 00:29:37,306 Speaker 1: how quickly before you got into plane to go to Denver? 573 00:29:37,466 --> 00:29:39,786 Speaker 1: And what were the like? Did you stay home and 574 00:29:40,186 --> 00:29:42,866 Speaker 1: helped pack up your house or did you say, see 575 00:29:42,906 --> 00:29:45,186 Speaker 1: you let me tell you stuthing They wanted to getting 576 00:29:45,146 --> 00:29:47,906 Speaker 1: on the plane right then and there that day they went. 577 00:29:47,946 --> 00:29:50,506 Speaker 1: But I said, whoa, I can't get on the plane 578 00:29:50,586 --> 00:29:52,546 Speaker 1: right now. Let me go home. I got kids. I 579 00:29:52,626 --> 00:29:54,866 Speaker 1: talked to my family, and I'll come the next day, 580 00:29:54,906 --> 00:29:57,186 Speaker 1: the next night. So I went that very next day. 581 00:29:57,466 --> 00:29:59,546 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, So when you go home and you 582 00:29:59,586 --> 00:30:03,226 Speaker 1: tell your then partner, the mother of your children, all right, 583 00:30:03,266 --> 00:30:06,106 Speaker 1: I'm leaving see you, and she has to pack up 584 00:30:06,146 --> 00:30:08,066 Speaker 1: the kids and find a new school and find a 585 00:30:08,066 --> 00:30:10,066 Speaker 1: new place to live, or did you decide we're just 586 00:30:10,106 --> 00:30:12,586 Speaker 1: going to stay. It was a crazy session. But this 587 00:30:12,746 --> 00:30:15,346 Speaker 1: normally doesn't happen, but it happened to me because she 588 00:30:15,346 --> 00:30:17,226 Speaker 1: didn't want to leave my side. So what we did, 589 00:30:17,466 --> 00:30:20,506 Speaker 1: which is crazy, we said there, we talked about it, 590 00:30:20,986 --> 00:30:23,226 Speaker 1: and she's like, no, I'm going with you. We're gonna 591 00:30:23,226 --> 00:30:31,066 Speaker 1: put the kids in my high academy. She's like, I 592 00:30:31,066 --> 00:30:32,946 Speaker 1: heard the great school. We're gonna live in Long Street. 593 00:30:33,066 --> 00:30:35,426 Speaker 1: We're gonna put the kids there. And when I left, 594 00:30:35,466 --> 00:30:37,386 Speaker 1: she came a week later and next thing you know, 595 00:30:37,506 --> 00:30:40,346 Speaker 1: the kids were old in Mouth High Academy. She did 596 00:30:40,386 --> 00:30:42,346 Speaker 1: the whole thing, She packed up the whole household and 597 00:30:42,386 --> 00:30:46,986 Speaker 1: moved with two kids, packed up the whole house. I 598 00:30:47,026 --> 00:30:49,586 Speaker 1: hope that he shipped the car and I ended up 599 00:30:49,586 --> 00:30:53,546 Speaker 1: buying a pickup truck. Well, I hope you appreciated that, 600 00:30:53,586 --> 00:30:58,186 Speaker 1: because no one likes moving. Tell me about the transition 601 00:30:58,586 --> 00:31:01,186 Speaker 1: when you are learning a new scheme. I mean, you've 602 00:31:01,186 --> 00:31:02,866 Speaker 1: been on Dancing with the Stars. Is it kind of 603 00:31:02,906 --> 00:31:07,186 Speaker 1: like learning a new dance or is it totally or 604 00:31:07,306 --> 00:31:09,746 Speaker 1: is it for everybody who can't see right now Vernon 605 00:31:09,826 --> 00:31:13,146 Speaker 1: is showing us some fancy dance moves. What was the 606 00:31:13,186 --> 00:31:15,666 Speaker 1: process of picking up I mean, you don't have an 607 00:31:15,666 --> 00:31:17,586 Speaker 1: off season with this new team. You don't know your 608 00:31:17,586 --> 00:31:20,026 Speaker 1: new teammates. You just plopped into a new locker room. 609 00:31:20,386 --> 00:31:23,346 Speaker 1: Did you even know anybody? It's a tough situation, you 610 00:31:23,346 --> 00:31:24,946 Speaker 1: know what, Actually, when I walked in the locker room, 611 00:31:24,986 --> 00:31:28,226 Speaker 1: I probably knew half of the team, But doesn't always 612 00:31:28,266 --> 00:31:31,346 Speaker 1: work that way because I played for so long, and 613 00:31:31,426 --> 00:31:33,066 Speaker 1: you know, I played for ten years and by that 614 00:31:33,106 --> 00:31:35,266 Speaker 1: time you've seen just about everybody. So I walked in, 615 00:31:35,306 --> 00:31:38,266 Speaker 1: I knew half of the team, and everyone knew me, 616 00:31:38,386 --> 00:31:41,426 Speaker 1: and they were welcoming me. Payt Manning called me right away. 617 00:31:44,426 --> 00:31:50,186 Speaker 1: Where you get here, I'll come, said, I said. I said, 618 00:31:50,186 --> 00:31:51,626 Speaker 1: all right, Payton, not be there. I can see soon 619 00:31:51,666 --> 00:31:54,146 Speaker 1: as I get in, buddy. So yeah, I get there 620 00:31:54,186 --> 00:31:55,986 Speaker 1: and next thing, you know, I don't know. I don't 621 00:31:55,986 --> 00:31:58,346 Speaker 1: know anything about Denver. You know, I don't know about 622 00:31:58,386 --> 00:31:59,946 Speaker 1: the snow there. But it didn't take long for me 623 00:31:59,986 --> 00:32:02,946 Speaker 1: to find out about the snow. You know, three days there, 624 00:32:02,986 --> 00:32:05,386 Speaker 1: I'm driving and it starts knowing it's coming down hard 625 00:32:05,426 --> 00:32:07,866 Speaker 1: to next day, you know, I got ice all over 626 00:32:07,906 --> 00:32:10,266 Speaker 1: my window. I'm out there scraping, and I'm like, oh, 627 00:32:10,346 --> 00:32:13,186 Speaker 1: my fitness. I had to go to my neighbor's door. 628 00:32:13,386 --> 00:32:15,586 Speaker 1: I knocked on, do you have a scraper? I just 629 00:32:15,586 --> 00:32:17,226 Speaker 1: moved here, and I got an ice all stuck on 630 00:32:17,266 --> 00:32:20,666 Speaker 1: my window. Get up, and I had to go to practice. 631 00:32:21,986 --> 00:32:24,746 Speaker 1: I'm struggling right now. I'm struggling. So I stayed in 632 00:32:24,746 --> 00:32:27,026 Speaker 1: the hotel for about end up standing the hotel for 633 00:32:27,066 --> 00:32:29,146 Speaker 1: about a week. And then I found something. I rented 634 00:32:29,146 --> 00:32:31,106 Speaker 1: a house there, a lone tree. But it was tough. 635 00:32:31,146 --> 00:32:33,066 Speaker 1: And then, you know, being in Denver, I had to 636 00:32:33,106 --> 00:32:36,186 Speaker 1: go through the climate change. I had my nose. I 637 00:32:36,186 --> 00:32:39,826 Speaker 1: had nose bleed for maybe an entire month, right and 638 00:32:39,986 --> 00:32:43,026 Speaker 1: what about the playbook was that really difficult to pick up. 639 00:32:43,546 --> 00:32:47,786 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, let me tell you something, girl, Yeah, 640 00:32:47,906 --> 00:32:50,826 Speaker 1: that was extremely hard. I didn't think about it before 641 00:32:50,866 --> 00:32:54,386 Speaker 1: I wrapped the Denver. I didn't think about it, I said. Normally, 642 00:32:55,266 --> 00:32:59,186 Speaker 1: for an offensive player to really grasp a playbook and 643 00:32:59,506 --> 00:33:01,746 Speaker 1: get it to like when you know it like the 644 00:33:01,746 --> 00:33:05,746 Speaker 1: back of your hand, it takes months. It takes months, 645 00:33:05,786 --> 00:33:08,506 Speaker 1: takes up an offseason, O t a s off scenes training, 646 00:33:08,826 --> 00:33:11,826 Speaker 1: it takes training camp. So basically it takes from April 647 00:33:11,906 --> 00:33:13,746 Speaker 1: from the time you arrived all the way up to 648 00:33:14,186 --> 00:33:16,706 Speaker 1: summer camp to really know that playbook the way you 649 00:33:16,706 --> 00:33:19,386 Speaker 1: need to know. So that's April, May, June July. That's 650 00:33:19,426 --> 00:33:21,866 Speaker 1: like two three months, you know what I mean. But 651 00:33:22,146 --> 00:33:24,786 Speaker 1: I'm getting dead way through, so I need at least 652 00:33:24,826 --> 00:33:27,026 Speaker 1: two months to digest this playbook to get it the 653 00:33:27,026 --> 00:33:29,506 Speaker 1: way I know it. You know, especially in an effic 654 00:33:29,586 --> 00:33:34,066 Speaker 1: system like Peyton Manning, because you know Peyton, he has 655 00:33:34,386 --> 00:33:36,626 Speaker 1: his stuff that he likes to do and it comes 656 00:33:36,666 --> 00:33:38,506 Speaker 1: with him. I mean, everything that he's running, he's been 657 00:33:38,546 --> 00:33:41,506 Speaker 1: running for years, and you know he's like a general 658 00:33:41,506 --> 00:33:43,906 Speaker 1: when it comes to those meetings, he he pretty much 659 00:33:43,946 --> 00:33:47,466 Speaker 1: takes over the offensive coordinator sits down and he's up 660 00:33:47,506 --> 00:33:50,226 Speaker 1: there and he's offensive coordinated. He's the most impressive quarterback 661 00:33:50,226 --> 00:33:52,786 Speaker 1: I've ever said. So let's put this in perspective, because 662 00:33:52,866 --> 00:33:56,426 Speaker 1: zach Ertz was just traded. He scored a touchdown with 663 00:33:56,466 --> 00:33:59,186 Speaker 1: the Eagles, he gets traded, and the very next week 664 00:33:59,386 --> 00:34:02,266 Speaker 1: he scores a touchdown for his new team, the Arizona Cardinals, 665 00:34:02,746 --> 00:34:04,386 Speaker 1: and the ball in his gloves are going to the 666 00:34:04,426 --> 00:34:08,386 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Because that never happened. From what you're saying, 667 00:34:08,386 --> 00:34:10,666 Speaker 1: you don't feel that that's really that surprising that that's 668 00:34:10,706 --> 00:34:13,786 Speaker 1: never happened. That is wild to me. Yeah, that was greaty. 669 00:34:13,786 --> 00:34:16,186 Speaker 1: Don't it never really happens like that, because it is 670 00:34:16,226 --> 00:34:18,706 Speaker 1: that much of an adjustment. What about within the locker room, Like, 671 00:34:18,826 --> 00:34:20,626 Speaker 1: was it hard to get to know you said you 672 00:34:20,746 --> 00:34:23,826 Speaker 1: knew guys, but like to feel like family. Did it 673 00:34:23,866 --> 00:34:27,506 Speaker 1: take a while or did you feel like all right, yeah, okay, 674 00:34:27,626 --> 00:34:29,866 Speaker 1: let me tell you. It's a lot of pressure riding. 675 00:34:29,906 --> 00:34:32,626 Speaker 1: I mean from learning the playbook, getting the playbook to 676 00:34:32,706 --> 00:34:36,506 Speaker 1: getting acclimated and cultivating relationships with the team your new teammates. 677 00:34:36,946 --> 00:34:39,146 Speaker 1: I mean it's a lot. I mean it's a lot 678 00:34:39,226 --> 00:34:41,506 Speaker 1: for a guy to take on. But sometimes it could 679 00:34:41,546 --> 00:34:44,346 Speaker 1: be worth like in my case winning a championship with 680 00:34:44,386 --> 00:34:48,466 Speaker 1: the Demo Broncos, it was definitely well worth it. But yeah, 681 00:34:48,546 --> 00:34:50,746 Speaker 1: when you look back now, you said that you cried 682 00:34:50,826 --> 00:34:53,266 Speaker 1: when Trent Balkie first said that they were moving on. 683 00:34:54,146 --> 00:34:56,266 Speaker 1: How long did it take before you kind of got 684 00:34:56,306 --> 00:34:58,506 Speaker 1: over that? Are you still mad at him? No? No, 685 00:34:58,506 --> 00:35:00,146 Speaker 1: I don't, Holp Gergies, I'm not mad. I'm not upset. 686 00:35:00,546 --> 00:35:02,346 Speaker 1: You know, understand the nature of the business, and I 687 00:35:02,386 --> 00:35:07,906 Speaker 1: know that things don't last, you know, they you know, everything, 688 00:35:08,146 --> 00:35:10,626 Speaker 1: especially opportunities like playing in the NFL. I mean, you're 689 00:35:10,626 --> 00:35:12,306 Speaker 1: not gonna always be on the same team. You're gonna 690 00:35:12,306 --> 00:35:15,106 Speaker 1: go on and you know, maybe maybe you get traded, 691 00:35:15,186 --> 00:35:18,786 Speaker 1: maybe your your career in something, it's gonna end. Everything 692 00:35:18,826 --> 00:35:21,186 Speaker 1: has an expliration date, so you know, I just it 693 00:35:21,226 --> 00:35:23,306 Speaker 1: took me a little bit time. Maybe after like a week, 694 00:35:23,346 --> 00:35:25,466 Speaker 1: I was kind of over it and I was like, uh, 695 00:35:26,026 --> 00:35:27,826 Speaker 1: it's cool, it's cool. It's time for me to move on. 696 00:35:28,586 --> 00:35:31,266 Speaker 1: If you're mentoring a young guy right now and he 697 00:35:31,306 --> 00:35:34,346 Speaker 1: gets traded, what's your advice to him. First thing you 698 00:35:34,386 --> 00:35:36,146 Speaker 1: do when you get to make sure you get everything 699 00:35:36,186 --> 00:35:38,546 Speaker 1: that you need, especially the playbook. Make sure you get 700 00:35:38,586 --> 00:35:41,586 Speaker 1: that right away. Start digesting that playbook as much as 701 00:35:41,626 --> 00:35:44,626 Speaker 1: you possibly can, because that's always the toughest part is 702 00:35:44,786 --> 00:35:47,906 Speaker 1: being able to really feel comfortable in the system, a 703 00:35:47,906 --> 00:35:51,066 Speaker 1: different system, something you've never been in or seen before. 704 00:35:51,146 --> 00:35:53,266 Speaker 1: So just make sure you find a you know, some 705 00:35:53,266 --> 00:35:57,506 Speaker 1: somewhere comfortable to live and um, just enjoy. That's that's 706 00:35:57,506 --> 00:36:00,026 Speaker 1: pretty much the only thing, um that I can think of. 707 00:36:00,386 --> 00:36:02,866 Speaker 1: You know, something I would even tell myself. Just continue 708 00:36:02,906 --> 00:36:06,066 Speaker 1: to be happy, smile, make new friends, make new team needs, 709 00:36:06,586 --> 00:36:09,066 Speaker 1: and do everything you've been doing and be the best 710 00:36:09,106 --> 00:36:12,226 Speaker 1: you can be. But what about inside football here, who's 711 00:36:12,226 --> 00:36:14,026 Speaker 1: the one person in the building you need to make 712 00:36:14,026 --> 00:36:16,866 Speaker 1: friends with right away? If you were tight in or 713 00:36:16,906 --> 00:36:19,426 Speaker 1: wide receiver, the first person you need to go to 714 00:36:19,506 --> 00:36:21,626 Speaker 1: before you hit on that get on that plane. You 715 00:36:21,666 --> 00:36:26,786 Speaker 1: better get the quarterbacks number. That's fair. You better get 716 00:36:26,826 --> 00:36:30,186 Speaker 1: that quarterbacks number, buddy. I'm trying to tell you, yes, yes, 717 00:36:30,266 --> 00:36:33,946 Speaker 1: make sure now. Defensively, I think just being a just 718 00:36:33,946 --> 00:36:35,626 Speaker 1: they're going they're want to reach out to you anyway, 719 00:36:36,106 --> 00:36:39,706 Speaker 1: the general manager, the president of the organization. They I mean, 720 00:36:39,746 --> 00:36:41,946 Speaker 1: they started texting me right away, vernon very We're excited 721 00:36:41,986 --> 00:36:43,426 Speaker 1: to get you, but I can't wait to get you here. 722 00:36:43,746 --> 00:36:45,386 Speaker 1: They make it, you know, they go out their way 723 00:36:45,426 --> 00:36:47,386 Speaker 1: to make sure they reach out to you. All right, 724 00:36:47,506 --> 00:36:51,586 Speaker 1: super last one. We've seen these elevated different practice squads. 725 00:36:51,626 --> 00:36:53,546 Speaker 1: Now the rules have been different the last few years, 726 00:36:53,586 --> 00:36:56,386 Speaker 1: and teams keep picking up players that have played on 727 00:36:56,426 --> 00:36:59,626 Speaker 1: another team. When you were in Washington, did you have 728 00:36:59,666 --> 00:37:03,026 Speaker 1: any qualms talking about what Denver or San Francisco did? 729 00:37:03,466 --> 00:37:06,066 Speaker 1: Would you ever reveal what you knew about a previous 730 00:37:06,066 --> 00:37:10,506 Speaker 1: to your new team? You know, just you know, just 731 00:37:10,546 --> 00:37:13,266 Speaker 1: a little things like how do certain players play against 732 00:37:13,306 --> 00:37:15,866 Speaker 1: certain positions? Like you know, they might ask we played Denver, 733 00:37:15,906 --> 00:37:17,826 Speaker 1: if von Miller, we gotta go against vom Miller. Coach 734 00:37:17,866 --> 00:37:20,066 Speaker 1: might coming to me and say, how what do we 735 00:37:20,066 --> 00:37:22,546 Speaker 1: need to know about von Miller on this particular play? 736 00:37:22,746 --> 00:37:25,506 Speaker 1: I said, you might want to go inside because once 737 00:37:25,586 --> 00:37:28,026 Speaker 1: the running back, if he's going this way, Von's gonna 738 00:37:28,066 --> 00:37:30,266 Speaker 1: jump outside. He's gonna turn his butt out and he's 739 00:37:30,266 --> 00:37:32,746 Speaker 1: gonna press with his right hand, so we have a 740 00:37:32,826 --> 00:37:35,866 Speaker 1: chance to get that tight end on his upfield shoulder 741 00:37:35,866 --> 00:37:38,146 Speaker 1: and just kind of just drop, you know, So a 742 00:37:38,146 --> 00:37:43,466 Speaker 1: little little little things like little things, uh, little things 743 00:37:43,546 --> 00:37:46,826 Speaker 1: but um, that's about it. But yeah, and you know, 744 00:37:46,906 --> 00:37:48,746 Speaker 1: I think that's the nature of this game. That's what 745 00:37:48,786 --> 00:37:51,586 Speaker 1: makes this game what it is, right because guys come 746 00:37:51,626 --> 00:37:53,946 Speaker 1: from different teams and now they're able to give us information. 747 00:37:53,986 --> 00:37:57,106 Speaker 1: Now it's up to that team to be really creative 748 00:37:57,146 --> 00:38:00,226 Speaker 1: and not give out what they're doing, you know, so 749 00:38:00,266 --> 00:38:02,586 Speaker 1: they don't give their plays in their scheme away. But 750 00:38:02,826 --> 00:38:04,706 Speaker 1: I think for the most part, teams are really good 751 00:38:04,786 --> 00:38:06,986 Speaker 1: like that. I know when I was playing with Washington 752 00:38:07,186 --> 00:38:09,906 Speaker 1: before I retired, when you know, with Kirk Cousins, we 753 00:38:09,946 --> 00:38:12,506 Speaker 1: would make sure we changed about signals from time to time, 754 00:38:12,946 --> 00:38:15,146 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, so the guys couldn't figure 755 00:38:15,226 --> 00:38:18,866 Speaker 1: us out. So we're really good about that. Awesome, great well, Vernon, 756 00:38:18,946 --> 00:38:22,386 Speaker 1: I so so appreciate this time, especially coming straight off 757 00:38:22,426 --> 00:38:24,866 Speaker 1: of plane from Rome. And like you said, it's all 758 00:38:24,906 --> 00:38:27,826 Speaker 1: worked out. You got the ring, you got another few 759 00:38:27,906 --> 00:38:30,386 Speaker 1: years in a fun city, and you got prepped for 760 00:38:30,426 --> 00:38:34,546 Speaker 1: a new career. Yes, Vernon Davis, you're the best. Thank 761 00:38:34,586 --> 00:38:42,586 Speaker 1: you so so much. Thank you Pew is all I 762 00:38:42,706 --> 00:38:45,106 Speaker 1: have to say, Mike after listening to Vernon Davis, Thank 763 00:38:45,146 --> 00:38:49,306 Speaker 1: goodness your rap sheet tweet was fake because I'm not 764 00:38:49,386 --> 00:38:51,826 Speaker 1: quite sure I could pack up this family and move 765 00:38:51,906 --> 00:38:54,866 Speaker 1: across country and learn a new offense and do it 766 00:38:54,906 --> 00:38:58,946 Speaker 1: all in eight hours. And I think it does scream 767 00:38:59,106 --> 00:39:01,506 Speaker 1: to what Bill Belichick was talking about as we made 768 00:39:01,586 --> 00:39:04,906 Speaker 1: reference to earlier in this show, about how complicated sometimes 769 00:39:05,066 --> 00:39:08,506 Speaker 1: these moves can be from a player's perspective, but really 770 00:39:08,506 --> 00:39:10,986 Speaker 1: telling and very appreciative of earning given us some time 771 00:39:10,986 --> 00:39:13,746 Speaker 1: and really explaining what it's actually like for a player 772 00:39:13,826 --> 00:39:16,186 Speaker 1: to be dealt at that trade deadline. I know you 773 00:39:16,226 --> 00:39:17,826 Speaker 1: and I both love hearing from a lot of people 774 00:39:17,826 --> 00:39:19,626 Speaker 1: that are listening to the show. We will do a 775 00:39:19,666 --> 00:39:21,986 Speaker 1: mail bag episode at some point, so if you have 776 00:39:22,066 --> 00:39:25,066 Speaker 1: some questions about the NFL that you want answers to 777 00:39:25,306 --> 00:39:28,626 Speaker 1: at Mike Underscore, yam at a ki kabwala. I am 778 00:39:28,706 --> 00:39:30,786 Speaker 1: keeping a running tab a deity of a lot of 779 00:39:30,786 --> 00:39:33,186 Speaker 1: these questions, and I promise we will get to them 780 00:39:33,226 --> 00:39:35,586 Speaker 1: at a later episode. But wherever you get your podcast, 781 00:39:35,666 --> 00:39:39,426 Speaker 1: make sure you follow the NFL Explained Podcast not so mention. 782 00:39:39,466 --> 00:39:40,866 Speaker 1: We always love to hear what you think. 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