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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody. Thursday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show kicks off right now. Verdict Watch. We don't

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Speaker 1: have a screen to put that up on for all

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Speaker 1: of you, but your ears are the screen. Verdict Watch

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Speaker 1: is where we are right now for the New York

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Speaker 1: City Trump business records trial. It still feels weird to

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Speaker 1: say that out loud. The jury has it. Will update

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Speaker 1: you on what happened after our show yesterday. There there

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Speaker 1: was some back and forth with the jury and we

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Speaker 1: have the deliberations still underway, so they've got the case

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Speaker 1: and they're going to get to decide. We'll dive into

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Speaker 1: it here momentarily. Also play more fallout from the very

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Speaker 1: obvious pressure campaign slash hit job against Supreme Court Justice Alito.

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Speaker 1: Now people are noticing, really weird there's some hit piece

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Speaker 1: against Amy Cony Barrett's husband as well, for the crime

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Speaker 1: of being a lawyer. That's interesting. That seems kind of strange.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with anything he's done, but they're just

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Speaker 1: digging into his clients and digging into his firm and

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Speaker 1: trying to create a focus on the spouse once again

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Speaker 1: of a Supreme Court justice. While there are major decisions

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Speaker 1: coming down. I think we should have a discussion about that. Plus,

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Speaker 1: our friend and trump ally Cash Patel, formerly of Trump's DoD,

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Speaker 1: will be joining us in the second hour to give

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Speaker 1: us his thoughts. It is possible, as we all sit here,

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Speaker 1: we know this today or tomorrow during our show live,

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Speaker 1: we will have a verdict for you. Right, it could

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Speaker 1: stretch into next week and have it knows, but there

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Speaker 1: is a very real possibility that today or tomorrow. So

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Speaker 1: I want you to make sure you're listening all three

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Speaker 1: hours and listening intently, because we may be able to

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Speaker 1: tell you what the future of the republic is slash

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Speaker 1: did Clay make the right prediction? Or did I make

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Speaker 1: the right prediction? Play says hung jury. I say, wampwomp

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Speaker 1: guilty verdict, which is very sad. But I will say Clay, uh, Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll get into our where we're seeing it going here

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Speaker 1: in a second. Just let's let's hear from Trump first

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Speaker 1: on this one. He spoke before the before the you

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Speaker 1: know trial got going again this morning. This is cut

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Speaker 1: wand leg the CNN.

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Speaker 2: The crime here is not easy to explain or to

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Speaker 2: understand it.

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Speaker 1: It's just not understanding. But in other words, there is

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Speaker 1: no crime.

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Speaker 3: This is a.

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Speaker 4: CNN Catherine Christian from ms NBC.

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Speaker 2: I call it ms DNC legal analyst.

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Speaker 5: It's difficult because it's a very nuanced argument.

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Speaker 1: It's never been prosecuted before. This is an argument that has.

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Speaker 2: Never been prosecuted before, and hopefully they'll never been prosecuted again.

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Speaker 1: Clay, I think he stumbled onto a key argument here,

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Speaker 1: or not stumbled onto, but I think he's making key

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Speaker 1: argument and a legal philosophical one as well. If you

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Speaker 1: can't understand what the crime is, can it really be

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Speaker 1: a crime?

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Speaker 6: Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: If if you tell a jury, this is the bad

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Speaker 1: thing the person did, we should take his freedom away,

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Speaker 1: we should punish him, and they go, what's the bad thing?

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Speaker 1: There is no bad thing. I think that speaks volumes.

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Speaker 7: There are a couple of things that are standing out

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Speaker 7: to me here as the deliberations go on. And I

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Speaker 7: and there was not a jury verdict. This is a

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Speaker 7: good sign that would suggest to me, And the fact

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Speaker 6: Out and they heard all of these all.

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Speaker 7: These instructions again, and I think we need to have

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Speaker 7: a discussion about these jury instructions as well. But let

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Speaker 7: me start with where I see us currently sitting. They

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Speaker 7: have been hearing evidence in this case for a month.

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Speaker 7: They had a full week before the closing arguments from

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Speaker 7: both the prosecution and the defense, to be back home,

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Speaker 6: Have to me.

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Speaker 7: The fact that we are sitting here on Thursday. They

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Speaker 7: didn't immediately have a verdict yesterday. With every minute that

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Speaker 7: to vote to convict. Now, that doesn't mean that the

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Speaker 7: that their pressure on them if it's eleven to one.

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Speaker 7: The dynamics on this are so strange. It requires you

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Speaker 6: We know it.

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Speaker 7: This is an anti Trump jury. The longer they are out,

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Speaker 7: that jury's come back really quick and give a not

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Speaker 7: So to me, it's either conviction or hung jury. And

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Speaker 7: the longer this goes on, the more likelihood there becomes

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Speaker 7: of a hung jury. If we make it through today's

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Speaker 7: I think it would be almost impossible to argue that

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Speaker 6: Willing to vote for conviction.

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Speaker 7: I think that would be twenty four hour period, all

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Speaker 7: the time that they've had to sit around, nobody wants

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Speaker 7: to be on jury duty. I don't buy any people

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Speaker 7: Duty sucks. Most people don't want to do it. They

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Speaker 7: want to get back to their life. They want to

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Speaker 7: get back to their families. They don't want to have

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Speaker 7: and debate. People are like, oh, they're getting free lunches.

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Speaker 7: Trust me, the lunch ain't that good. They want to

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Speaker 7: be done. So that's where I would analyze it. Do

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Speaker 7: you agree with that analysis?

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Speaker 6: What do you think's going on?

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Speaker 1: Ah? I think if you have to put if you

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Speaker 1: longer this goes, the likelier it is that there's a

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Speaker 1: hung jury. I think that's conventional wisdom. But going a

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Speaker 1: at some level there may be a desire among members

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Speaker 1: evidence before they decide, yeah, we're just going to convict

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Speaker 1: think that the prosecution has shown itself to be effectively

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Speaker 1: relying on a unfair jury pool. The prosecution here didn't

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Speaker 1: any meaningful way. So we'll see about all of these bets. Right,

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Speaker 1: everyone is making assumptions, and everyone involved in this is

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Speaker 1: who were fighting the brass knuckles media brawl that was

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Speaker 1: Russia collusion, to see Andrew Weissman Muller's pit bull.

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Speaker 6: Do you remember this?

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Speaker 1: Muller's pit bull is what they called him. He was

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Speaker 1: with despection Judge Marshawn.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I am I am like now you know,

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Speaker 8: that the jurors wouldn't have the same impression. And he's

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Speaker 8: just you just keep on thinking if you looked at

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Speaker 1: This is a reminder one that lives are delusional, emotionally unstable,

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Speaker 1: and disconnected from reality. But also Clay Weissman may maybe

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Speaker 1: the one guy, more than anyone else who tried to

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Speaker 1: weaponize the law. Wild Trump was president before all of this,

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Speaker 1: and you just see what a partisan, lunatic fraud he is.

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Speaker 1: This is that's where my cynicism comes from. If someone

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Speaker 7: I think that's all true. What we still don't know

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Speaker 7: is what do we know about these twelve jurors? We

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Speaker 7: did the jury reading. We got very bare biographical information,

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Speaker 7: know whether there's diehard Trump people who got on this jury.

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Speaker 7: He is the foundation of this entire case. In an honest,

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Speaker 7: unbiased jury pool, I don't think there's any doubt this

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Speaker 7: a reasonable doubt. In a just jury pool, this would

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Speaker 7: feeld that there's gonna be saying somebody saying there's a

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Speaker 7: into the weekend without a verdict is a monster win.

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Speaker 7: The analogy I made Bucket was Trump entered this game.

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Speaker 7: If you want to consider in the context of sports,

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Speaker 7: like a twenty eight point underdog in a football game,

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Speaker 7: and we're now in the second half and the game

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Speaker 7: is still undecided, which is often a victory for the underdog.

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Speaker 7: To keep it close. Doesn't mean he can't get convicted.

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Speaker 7: But I think if you asked the prosecution, they're starting

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Speaker 5: Thank it's great to be with you guys. And the

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Speaker 1: Hey Cash, it's buck good to have you on as always,

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Speaker 5: Then you have the government Alvin Bragg here, painting together

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Speaker 5: So you have no idea what he's going to do

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Speaker 7: Gosh, how nervous do you think the prosecution is right now?

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Speaker 5: exonerated Donald Trump. They have had a limited scope of information.

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Speaker 5: So even with that limited scope of information, they're sitting

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Speaker 5: back there saying, wait a second, We're in day two,

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Speaker 5: and the prosecutor's got to be freaking out a little

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Speaker 5: bit because they've already returned with questions that directly speak

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Speaker 5: to the elements of the crimes charged and questions about

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Speaker 5: the burden of proof. To me, that show that they

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Speaker 5: are considering across the board whether or not the prosecutors

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Speaker 5: have met their burden approof So if I were the

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Speaker 5: prosecutor in this case, I'd be a little scared. And

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Speaker 5: the longer goes on, I think it ignores the benefit

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Speaker 5: of President.

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Speaker 1: Trump cash again a timeline question. Having been in the

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Speaker 1: role of federal prosecutor yourself, do you think that Jack Smith,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, switching gears here. I know we're all waiting

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Speaker 1: for the New York City verdict, but do you think

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Speaker 1: the Jack Smith is going to try to at least

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Speaker 1: begin the January sixth DC based trial before the election

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Speaker 1: or is it just functionally impossible for him to do so?

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Speaker 5: Well, right now, what we call it is is he

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Speaker 5: and Judge Tucktan are seized of jurisdictions. The presidential immunity

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Speaker 5: presidential privileged question is before the United States Supreme Court,

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Speaker 5: so they can't even issue a scheduling order or request

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Speaker 5: the judge issue scheduling order because they do not have

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Speaker 5: the authority under the law with the case of the

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Speaker 5: Supreme Court to do anything at the trial level. Should

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Speaker 5: the court return a verdict or suit the a decision

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Speaker 5: this summer, which I think they will in June or July,

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Speaker 5: remember that whole clock restarts and they have to take

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Speaker 5: the case based up the direction of the Supreme Court decisions,

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Speaker 5: and then the defense is going to rightfully so file

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Speaker 5: motions to dismiss the case outright or a number of

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Speaker 5: charges based on the Supreme Court decision. So I just

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Speaker 5: don't see it getting there. And this is why I

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Speaker 5: think everyone's so focused on Alvin braggs it was the

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Speaker 5: last case everybody anyone cared about because they thought Georgia

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Speaker 5: would come in first. They thought Washington, DC would come

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Speaker 5: now they see that through the exposition of all the

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Speaker 5: New York And I think that's what they're putting all

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Speaker 7: Else do you think we should know about this case

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Speaker 7: case in particular here as this jury deliberation continues, what

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Speaker 7: do you want our audience to know?

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Speaker 5: You know, as a former officer of the court who's

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Speaker 5: been on both sides of this thing, I want the

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Speaker 5: audience to think of the following. Do you want constitutional

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Speaker 5: come down upon you and your community and say you

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Speaker 5: disagree with how we want to conduct our government, so

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Speaker 5: I think for me, this is the existential judicial question

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Speaker 5: of our time. Anyone who wants to see Donald Trump

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Speaker 5: cannot have that just because you disagree with his political orientation.

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Speaker 5: To me, is the most important case of our lifetime,

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Speaker 7: High stakes. Indeed, he's kosh Bateel. We appreciate the time.

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Speaker 7: I'm sure we'll be talking to you again soon.

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Speaker 1: it the next day, maybe this hour, maybe tomorrow, who knows.

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Speaker 1: The jury is out, The jury is sitting around discussing,

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Speaker 1: thinking this one over. We've talked about some of their requests.

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Speaker 1: They wanted some clarification on some things, and so we

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Speaker 1: are in a state of waiting one thing that we

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Speaker 1: had not thought of or anticipated as a possibility. And

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Speaker 1: I don't want to disagree with Professor Dershowitz on this

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Speaker 1: one without knowing for sure, although we did on debate

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Speaker 1: guns on CNN, and I know more than he does

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Speaker 1: about guns by a lot. So nobody's perfect. But this

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Speaker 1: is the law, so this is in his wheelhouse. This

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Speaker 1: is a different thing. Firearms more my thing, the law

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Speaker 1: more his thing.

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Speaker 7: What's up worth mentioning he was totally wrong on four

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Speaker 7: trials will be complete? Remember last year, yes said all

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Speaker 7: four trials will be complete.

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Speaker 6: And I gonna be honest with you.

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Speaker 7: I don't like to be on the opposite side with

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Speaker 7: the legal mind like Alan Dershowitz. But I said about

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Speaker 7: this time last year, there's no way they're gonna get

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Speaker 7: four done. And it looks like they're gonna get one done.

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Speaker 7: So he was wrong there. I don't think there's any

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Speaker 7: way what he suggested today is going to happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. He also thought states that allow concealed carry

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Speaker 1: all have much higher rates of violence. And I was like,

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Speaker 1: you should check out this place called Vermont, where there's

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Speaker 1: basically no violence. Anyway we should get in. This was

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Speaker 1: years and years ago, by the way, But here's what

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Speaker 1: he said. I just want to note that he's this.

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Speaker 1: He's saying that there's a possibility if there is a

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Speaker 1: hold out in the jury, that the jury could rather

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Speaker 1: the judge could replace that. I have never heard of

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Speaker 1: this before. I have not tried cases. I have been

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Speaker 1: in the room when cases were being brought against terrorism defendants.

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Speaker 1: So I'm, you know, meaning the actual creation of the

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Speaker 1: case that is given to the prosecutor or, that the

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Speaker 1: prosecutor is a part of. But I've never been in

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Speaker 1: the courtroom prosecuting one, nor have I been a judge.

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Speaker 1: Let's just hear what Dersh has to say about this one.

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Speaker 1: He's great on a lot of stuff, and this is

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Speaker 1: what he's saying on this one. We'll see play it.

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Speaker 2: The judge hears from the juris, and the judge hears

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Speaker 2: that they're eleven to one. And then the judge says, well,

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Speaker 2: is that other jura, the twelfth jura?

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Speaker 1: Is he negotiating?

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Speaker 2: He is he involved in the in the conversations and

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Speaker 2: the format of the jury says no, he's refusing. He's

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Speaker 2: sitting there with his arms folded saying, guys edosent, Sorry,

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Speaker 2: guys innocent, I'm not gonna listen to you, the guys edosent.

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Speaker 2: There's no case here, the guys edocent.

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Speaker 4: If areround the jury, that's what I'd be doing.

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Speaker 1: And then the judge has the power.

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Speaker 4: Rarely rarely exercised, but he has the power I've seen

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Speaker 4: it done to say, well, if this jura won't deliberate,

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Speaker 4: then he's violating his oath, and I'm going to substitute

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Speaker 4: one of the alternate.

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Speaker 2: Jurors for that jury, Dura, and then immediately they come

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Speaker 2: back with a twelfth to nothing verdict of conviction.

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Speaker 1: Now we all heard what he said there. He said

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Speaker 1: he's seen it done before. So I have to assume

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Speaker 1: that this. I can't fathom that Professor Dershowitz here would

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Speaker 1: get this one so wrong. So let's assume that this

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Speaker 1: is true. There's the possibility here that the one person,

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Speaker 1: let's say that we keep talking about it as one,

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Speaker 1: it could be more, but the one person who sees

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Speaker 1: this sham for what it is, gets replaced by an

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Speaker 1: alternate I mean, Clay at some point. This really is

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Speaker 1: just the Soviets show trial. It's just too absurd.

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Speaker 7: I can't imagine they would do that. And again he's

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Speaker 7: telling a story about a specific incident where he's arguing

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Speaker 7: that the juror is violating his oath by refusing to

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Speaker 7: engage in deliberations. What I will say, as we sit

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Speaker 7: here with fifty minutes left in our show today, as

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Speaker 7: it comes up a little bit after two ten, we've

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Speaker 7: had news it feels like break regularly.

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Speaker 6: Right after we go off the air, we'll tell you, hey.

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Speaker 7: Something might happen, and then at three point fifteen Eastern time,

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Speaker 7: I think there has to be genuine nervousness setting in

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Speaker 7: at this point, as we come up on a ninth

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Speaker 7: is not of the opinion that this was a slam

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Speaker 7: dunk and that Trump is guilty. Immediately, I think they

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Speaker 7: would have expected to get a verdict by now. If

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Speaker 7: and they had had to say, Okay, when's this verdict

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Speaker 7: gonna come down. I think they thought they'd get a

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Speaker 7: verdict yesterday if they finish today. And again, we still

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Speaker 7: got about four hours of deliberations that could take place today,

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Speaker 7: but over half the day has passed. If they make

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Speaker 7: it through today without a verdict, tomorrow gets super interesting

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Speaker 7: because if they go into the weekend, my goodness, somebody

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Speaker 7: is one hundred percent I think locked and loaded on

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Speaker 7: I'm not guilty. And again, I don't believe there's anybody

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Speaker 7: out there that wants to stay in this jury room

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Speaker 7: any longer than they have to, and this is not

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Speaker 7: a case where they haven't had lots of time to think.

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Speaker 7: The longer this goes on, I think, the better it

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Speaker 7: is for Trump.

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Speaker 1: There's also a possibility here that I don't think we've

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Speaker 1: really discussed, at least as it pertains to what happens

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Speaker 1: after the verdict. As we are talking now, we are waiting,

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Speaker 1: and if trust me, every news outlet, everybody across the country,

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Speaker 1: and a lot around the world, will be tuned into

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Speaker 1: this because it is a very big deal, not just

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Speaker 1: to have a former president. If Trump never planned on

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Speaker 1: running again, this would be a big deal. Right. If

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Speaker 1: and they scooped him up on this nonsense, that would

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Speaker 1: be a big deal. The fact that he is the

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Speaker 1: the polls, so a very likely next president of the

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Speaker 1: United States, makes this a really big deal. That is

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Speaker 1: all true. However, there's also this scenario. Klay, tell me

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Speaker 1: if this is too crazy, all right, this may be

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Speaker 1: too crazy. Let's say it is guilty. Just for the

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Speaker 1: purposes of discussion, Let's say it's a guilty verdict and

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Speaker 1: the judge says, all right, well, the the you know,

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Speaker 1: the now the I won't call him the convict, right,

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Speaker 1: but the defendant is released pending you know, pending a

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Speaker 1: future hearing about about what the sentencing will be or whatever.

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Speaker 1: What really changes. The media is gonna say, see, he's

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Speaker 1: you know, he's guilty. I mean they've already said he's

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Speaker 1: an insurrectionist, he's a he's a rapist, he's a white nationalist.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they've said far worse things about Trump and

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Speaker 1: and asserted that far worst things about him are true,

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Speaker 1: then that he falsified a business record. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: that their entire mo here is to get it to

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Speaker 1: the place where they can say convicted fellon Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: I feel like the mugshot situation might be a little

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Speaker 1: bit more telling than we've given it credit for. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure even if he gets convicted, anyone is going

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Speaker 1: to care. The media at MSNBC, they'll be popping champagne

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Speaker 1: corks for a day or two, and then when they

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Speaker 1: see the polls next week, they're gonna say, uh, we

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Speaker 1: got a problem. Here, guys, what are we gonna do?

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Speaker 7: This goes to my underlying thesis. I think people have

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Speaker 7: already made up their mind, I mean, and just put

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Speaker 7: it in your own world. I appreciate our caller from

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Speaker 7: North Carolina who called in. He said he voted Trump

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Speaker 7: in sixteen, he voted Biden in twenty twenty. I would

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Speaker 7: love to hear from anybody else out there listening eight

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Speaker 7: hundred and two two two eight a two if you

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Speaker 7: voted for Trump and or Biden, you've split your voter.

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Speaker 7: Maybe you voted for Hillary and then you voted for

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Speaker 7: Trump in twenty What makes you the swing voter in

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty four? What is your decision going to be?

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Speaker 7: And that gentleman who called in said it was Trump's behavior,

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Speaker 7: and I hear that a lot. I totally get it.

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Speaker 7: I think now, unlike in twenty twenty, you have the

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Speaker 7: contrast of Trump's behavior but results that you might like,

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Speaker 7: versus Biden's behavior, which frankly I don't think has been sterling,

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Speaker 7: and results that you definitely don't like.

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Speaker 1: I remember the late writer Christopher Hitchins a long time

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Speaker 1: ago talking about in a very different context, but this

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Speaker 1: test that he had in mind for what kind of

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Speaker 1: a crime. If you sat down to lunch with somebody.

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Speaker 1: There are things that somebody could tell you they were

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Speaker 1: convicted of, and you'd just be like, oh man, that

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Speaker 1: must have been rough. You know, what are we getting?

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Speaker 1: You know? What bottle of wine do you want? Or

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Speaker 1: you know, pass the salt. And there are things that

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Speaker 1: somebody could say where you'd go, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: sit here at lunch anymore. Like, and we all know

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Speaker 1: there's this different lun Both of them are crimes, but

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Speaker 1: there are the crimes that you you know, and he

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Speaker 1: said the one he noted as not He's like, look,

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Speaker 1: if someone got nailed for taxes, do you think they're

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Speaker 1: a bad person. You might think they're a little greedy

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Speaker 1: or a little bit you know, unwise, but you're not

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Speaker 1: scared to sit in the same room with them. And

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Speaker 1: our tax code isn't anyway, get you get the point

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Speaker 1: right with this? What person is going to say to

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Speaker 1: them even if even if he's convicted. You know, I

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Speaker 1: was really thinking Trump. But since the Business Record's entry

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Speaker 1: issue of twenty seventeen has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt,

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Speaker 1: So this is great. Never before has there been so

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Speaker 1: much attention on a verdict that may mean so little.

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Speaker 6: I think that's true.

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Speaker 7: I think the end result here, if Trump is found guilty,

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Speaker 7: nobody's changing their mind. And this is why I think

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Speaker 7: the polls have been pretty fixed, because everybody knows what

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Speaker 7: they think of Trump Man.

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Speaker 1: But also on the other side of this, I mean,

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Speaker 1: to be fair, Let's say it's a hung jury, which

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Speaker 1: you've been you've been predicting, and I'm you know, getting

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Speaker 1: a little more nervous about because Clay being right is

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Speaker 1: always obviously just you know, wampwomph. But it's very possible.

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Speaker 1: Let's say it is a hung jury. Does that actually

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Speaker 1: show us any change in sentiment or fear feeling in

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Speaker 1: any of the swing states? Is this is just a

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Speaker 1: reiteration what you're saying, how people have decided if it

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Speaker 1: is a hung jury. I think people look at this

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Speaker 1: and they go, what, like what everybody who's gonna who

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Speaker 1: says this is an outrage, it's an injustice, it's horrible,

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Speaker 1: already feels that way. Everybody who is excusing to themselves

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Speaker 1: and going through the mental gymnastics of a business records

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Speaker 1: case anything to get Trump, They're they're gonna feel that way.

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Speaker 1: No matter what I'd I find that this case, it

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Speaker 1: is almost impossible. I think the Democrats and brag and

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Speaker 1: the rest of them believed that just getting the stamp

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Speaker 1: of a guilty felon on Trump would finish him off.

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Speaker 1: But I think they also thought that January sixth would

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Speaker 1: finish him off. I think they also thought that two

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Speaker 1: impeachments would finish him off. You know there's a pattern

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Speaker 1: here that we keep playing out.

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Speaker 10: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anyone sees this thing. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: if someone told you at lunch they got convicted of

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Speaker 1: a business record's misdemeanor, you'd be like, Okay, whatever, who cares?

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Speaker 7: And I think that's ultimately surprising to Democrats, and to

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Speaker 7: be fair, we've never had this precedent apply and so

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Speaker 7: trying to figure out exactly how the voting public is

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Speaker 7: going to respond to it. I think basically what it

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Speaker 7: comes down to is if you're out there, you are

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Speaker 7: frustrated about what everything costs, You are super angry about

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Speaker 7: things costing way more than you think they should, and

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Speaker 7: you hold the incumbent president responsible for that.

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Speaker 6: When you go to.

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Speaker 7: Fast food restaurants like I did in Birmingham, Alabama driving

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Speaker 7: resources to be able to afford it. I just think

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Speaker 7: to myself, this upsets me. It should have never cost

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Speaker 7: this much. And I think most people are focused on

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Speaker 7: their own individual lives and see this as what it is,

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Speaker 7: a show trial. I think there are ten percent of

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Speaker 7: people that hate Trump that desperately want him convicted, and

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Speaker 7: maybe fifteen percent of the population. Those people are already

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Speaker 7: voting against Trump. I don't think this is moving in

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Speaker 7: any way favorable for Democrats. I do think if this

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Speaker 7: is a mistrial, if this is a hung jury, the

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Speaker 7: panic that's gonna set in an MSNBC and CNN make

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Speaker 7: sure we're running on their broadcast because if they can't

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Speaker 7: get this conviction of Trump in New York City, the

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Speaker 7: panic on Biden is really gonna take off because, at

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Speaker 7: least in their minds, Buck, you and I might disagree

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Speaker 7: with it, but they think this is what they put

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Speaker 7: the hat on. This is the hangar that gets Trump

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Speaker 7: once and for all. And if they don't even get that,

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Speaker 1: This was the X factor. This was what was going

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Speaker 1: Biden his stability and the rule of law and Trump

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Speaker 1: is a convicted felon. But I don't I don't think

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Speaker 1: the verdict is here, And like we said, we're going

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Speaker 1: Joe says the Factor. Earlier caller from North Carolina called

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Speaker 1: for Donald J. Trump in twenty sixteen. Much less is

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Speaker 1: this email from VIP Gigi. Hello, I am speechless. The

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Speaker 1: But I'll just say people, okay, everyone who wrote in

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Speaker 1: every email here, every email is in response to our

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Speaker 1: one on the fence caller whom we welcomed on the

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Speaker 1: that individual. All right, here we go, Dennis and Syracuse

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Speaker 1: we got we got another one. Voted for Trump over

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Speaker 1: the fence. What's up, Dennis?

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Speaker 10: Yeah? Do I want to stick my neck out here? Anyways? Yeah,

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Speaker 10: definitely voted uh, Trump over Hillary and then Biden over Trump.

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Speaker 10: Because with Biden you kind of got bamboozled. You really

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Speaker 10: tired of all the Trump rhetoric. And you know, we

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Speaker 10: his mouth shut do his job? Wait?

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Speaker 1: But so given that, though, given that you feel bamboozle'

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Speaker 1: sorry to jump in, but this is important. Why are

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Speaker 1: you still I mean you're not You're still on the fence.

869
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Speaker 1: Are you saying you're voting Trump this time?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 10: No, I'm on the fence because can I deal with

872
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Speaker 10: four more years of of what we got and I

873
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Speaker 10: have to deal with with all the rhetoric we're gonna

874
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Speaker 10: get for four years where they're going after Trump, Trump's

875
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Speaker 10: going after them. I want some business, not for what?

876
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Speaker 7: But so wait, But I understand that. But like in

877
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Speaker 7: you voted for Biden in twenty twenty. If I go

878
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Speaker 7: to a restaurant, if I go to a restaurant and

879
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Speaker 7: I get a bad meal, I probably won't go back

880
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Speaker 7: to the restaurant. But if I get a bad meal

881
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Speaker 7: four straight times, which basically you have from Biden for

882
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Speaker 7: four straight years, why would you vote for a fifth

883
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Speaker 7: year of Biden?

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Speaker 10: Because I know what I got with him. I'm not

885
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Speaker 10: gonna have to deal with all the rhetoric from Trump Trump?

886
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Speaker 6: Just so wait?

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Speaker 1: Could I Are you also like the other caller that

888
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Speaker 1: you find? Wait? But this is important you. Is it

889
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Speaker 1: Trump's persona that bothers you?

890
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Speaker 10: It's Trump is But I want Trump to be more

891
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Speaker 10: professional in doing his job and not go after people

892
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Speaker 10: or be baited by people you know, that's that's my

893
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Speaker 10: problem with Trump. He debated and and you know.

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Speaker 1: What, could Dennis, real quick one more for you, because

895
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Speaker 1: we've got a lot of people lined up and want

896
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Speaker 1: to wait on this one too. But what could Trump

897
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Speaker 1: do to win you over at this point? What could

898
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Speaker 1: happen that would finally push you on to the right

899
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Speaker 1: side of the fence.

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Speaker 10: The debate's gonna show if he gets up there and

901
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Speaker 10: in these professional and doesn't beat up Biden, which I

902
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Speaker 10: Biden deserves to be beat up, but that's not his job.

903
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Speaker 10: You know, get up there, be professional, tell the people

904
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Speaker 10: what you're gonna do. You know, Biden will do himself

905
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Speaker 10: in if he if he's gonna you know that. That's

906
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Speaker 10: where I'm at.

907
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Speaker 1: All right, Dennis and Syracuse, thank you, Clay. Can I

908
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Speaker 1: just say remember what I said before we even took

909
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Speaker 1: these callers. I remember from the Trump years there were

910
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Speaker 1: there were always people for whom the policies they liked,

911
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Speaker 1: but the style just bothered them to the point where

912
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Speaker 1: they were open to other ideas. I never I mean

913
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Speaker 1: to me that, I just I can't imagine. That's just

914
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Speaker 1: not how I would approach politics. But it was a

915
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Speaker 1: common enough thing that you would hear from some people

916
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Speaker 1: who had voted for Trump before, but then they you know,

917
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Speaker 1: this is kind of the mean tweets thing. I don't

918
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Speaker 1: know what we'll see.

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Speaker 7: John into the time. By the way, those are women.

920
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Speaker 7: I haven't heard that many men that are like, oh,

921
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Speaker 7: Trump was too mean. I understand women, suburban women. But

922
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Speaker 7: we've got two men who basically have said that they

923
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Speaker 7: voted for Trump once and not sure if they can

924
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Speaker 7: vote for him again. But yes, John and Princeton, North Carolina.

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Speaker 7: Young voter, you voted for Biden in twenty twenty. How

926
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Speaker 7: old were you then?

927
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Speaker 3: I was eighteen and it was the worst mistake I

928
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Speaker 3: ever made.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, Well, come to the righteous and the truthful

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Speaker 1: over here.

931
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Speaker 7: So what made you vote for Biden in twenty twenty

932
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Speaker 7: when you were eighteen? And now you say you're switching.

933
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Speaker 7: You're a North Carolinian and voting for Trump in twenty

934
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Speaker 7: twenty four. I'm just curious how you came to make

935
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Speaker 7: the decision in twenty twenty, first time voting if you're eighteen,

936
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Speaker 7: and what's made you change your mind for twenty four.

937
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't even say, because I think Trump's behavior is

938
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Speaker 3: amazing I think I love it. I think some of

939
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Speaker 3: the earlier callers I don't know what they're talking about.

940
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Speaker 3: I love how he goes at it. He almost didn't

941
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Speaker 3: feel is aggressive enough. But I love right now that

942
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Speaker 3: he's you know, staying on topic. He's going after people.

943
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Speaker 3: He needs to be more aggressive, you know, Biden. I

944
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Speaker 3: think the biggest thing he's just not talking about the economy.

945
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Speaker 3: He hasn't even mentioned it. I mean, we need to

946
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Speaker 3: know that we're going to be spoken about the middle class,

947
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Speaker 3: the dying middle class, as you know Trump likes to

948
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Speaker 3: call it. I think we need to be spucking about.

949
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Speaker 7: So, but what made you vote Biden in twenty twenty?

950
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Speaker 7: Did you feel pressure because you're a high school age guy,

951
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Speaker 7: young college age guy.

952
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Speaker 6: What did he.

953
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Speaker 7: Convince you of in twenty twenty that made you vote

954
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Speaker 7: for him? That's different now.

955
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Speaker 3: I would say it was more pressure from other people.

956
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Speaker 3: It was from pressure from other people, the media. I

957
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Speaker 3: started listening to y'all show when y'all first came on,

958
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 3: and I was like, this is a new perspective that

959
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 3: I've never heard before. Now I've heard it from other people,

960
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 3: you know, in my area. But I'd say after listening

961
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Speaker 3: to y'all like I completely changed my mindset.

962
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Speaker 1: Well, that's excellent. We're doing our job then, John, So

963
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Speaker 1: that makes me hear listening to us. Thank you for

964
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: being a part of our extended radio family, and please

965
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Speaker 1: spread the word all over Princeton, North Carolina. I didn't

966
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Speaker 1: even know, Clay, Honestly, did you know there was a Princeton,

967
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Speaker 1: North Carolina before? I only knew about the one in

968
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Speaker 1: New Jersey.

969
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Speaker 6: I don't think I did know there was a Princeton,

970
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 6: North Carolina. So we're learning.

971
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Speaker 7: And by the way, North Carolina one of the battleground states.

972
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Speaker 7: We've had several callers in the bra in North Carolina

973
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Speaker 7: who's been talking about that, and uh, I just I

974
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 7: really do find it interesting. I understand. Let me say,

975
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Speaker 7: in twenty twenty, it felt like the world was coming undone,

976
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Speaker 7: and if you were a swing voter, I understand how

977
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 7: you could say the Trump chaos, COVID everything felt like

978
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 7: it was coming undone, the riots. I understand how you

979
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 7: could buy into Biden saying I'll make things normal again.

980
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Speaker 7: It's not going to be chaotic. I don't understand how

981
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 7: after four years of Biden being awful, prices up on

982
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:43,720
Speaker 7: everything basically all of us got big pay decreases because

983
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 7: you've had to make like twenty five percent more over

984
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 7: the last four years to be in positive territory. I

985
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 7: don't understand how you could buy vote Biden now if

986
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 7: you're a swing voter. I'm not talking about a diehard Democrat.

987
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 7: He hasn't fulfilled any of the promises that he made

988
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 7: to me, So I don't understand how you could buy

989
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 7: in now.

990
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to get past. When we had

991
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: some of these callers, and I suppose this has to

992
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: be reflected in some of the undecided sentiment in the

993
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Speaker 1: swing states. Voted Trump then felt like, Oh, the world's

994
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: crazy Biden. You know, I obviously I don't agree with that,

995
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: because I voted Trump twice and I think that Biden's horrible.

996
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 1: But at least I can see the train of logic.

997
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: But with that in mind, voted Trump, voted Biden. Voting

998
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: Trump again to me seems like the obvious and inevitable decision.

999
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 6: Do you know what I'm saying?

1000
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 1: Yes, Like, if you've ever gone Trump and then you

1001
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: went Biden, I can't imagine you go Biden again based

1002
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: on again, you know, people that have gone Biden twice.

1003
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: That doesn't count Trump Biden, you gotta go Trump again.

1004
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: I don't see how, Like, I just don't see how

1005
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 1: the why. You know, the synapses in the brain don't

1006
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: fire in that direction.

1007
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 6: Again.

1008
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 7: You bought into I'll bring things back to normalcy and

1009
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 7: then Biden has failed to do that across the board

1010
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 7: if you're not a diehard Democrat. And again, we've been

1011
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 7: taking calls from people who voted Biden or Trump and

1012
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 7: are going to swing back and forth, and there is

1013
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 7: there are millions of people out there. I don't and

1014
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 7: I love talking. I love the fact that there are

1015
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,240
Speaker 7: people who are undecided like that, twenty one year old caller.

1016
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 7: Twenty two year old caller from North Carolina said.

1017
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: I love that we're like the special Forces of Freedom

1018
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: spreading here on the airwaves because you know, we got

1019
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: we're forced multipliers. Now He's like, I listen to you guys,

1020
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: and I totally get it, and I'm all in on

1021
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: the team. That's what we're hoping for anybody who is

1022
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: not already on the team. That's what we're hoping to

1023
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: accomplish day in and day out.

1024
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Speaker 7: And I would also add he said he felt some

1025
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 7: pressure which I get to vote Biden because there was

1026
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 7: a lot of pressure in the larger cultural universe.

1027
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: I'll tell you when I was a single guy, before

1028
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: I was involved in politics, I maybe dabbled in a

1029
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,919
Speaker 1: little on libertarian when I was at cocktail parties because

1030
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to have friends.

1031
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 12: I'm just gonna tell you, I was like, eh, I'm

1032
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 12: kind of a libertarian. I'm sort of, you know, fiscally conservative,

1033
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 12: but socially liberal because like you know, if you want

1034
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 12: you know miss so and So's phone number, I get it,

1035
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 12: you know what I mean. I'm just saying this was

1036
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 12: a long time ago, and I'm sorry it ever happened.

1037
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 1: But that's that's the truth.

1038
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Speaker 6: When you're a single guy. I've made that. I've made

1039
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 6: this argument.

1040
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 7: Before you give me ugly conservative or liberal good looking girl,

1041
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 7: I'll roll the dice that I can convince a liberal

1042
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 7: good looking girl down the line that she you can't

1043
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 7: change the ugly say it is a single guy, the

1044
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,720
Speaker 7: ugly sticking the politics might shift.

1045
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: Hey, you know, if you're a single guy and you

1046
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: want to get to that first date, you know your politics.

1047
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 6: Maybe you know you change him up for.

1048
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: A day or two. You know what I mean, Just

1049
00:55:58,520 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: you gotta do what you gotta do to get the

1050
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Speaker 1: eight number one. And then to your point, you can

1051
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: start slipping or some some books by von Mises and

1052
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: uh Hayek and Burke, and you know what I mean,

1053
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: you get you can slowly start to try to bring

1054
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: her around. But really, you know, if the communist is

1055
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 1: a hot chick, which is very rare, you gotta do

1056
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: what you gotta do.

1057
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Speaker 6: I agree. Uh, by the way, we come back, we'll

1058
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 6: take some more of your call.

1059
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 7: Still, no jury verdict probably means five minutes after we

1060
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 7: go off the air, it'll happen. But if you're looking

1061
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 7: for something to do tonight, maybe you're gonna be watching

1062
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Speaker 7: the timber Wolves play against the Mavericks. Game five. T

1063
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Speaker 7: Wolves up in Minnesota a cursed sorry, Minnesota's a cursed

1064
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Speaker 7: sports metropolis in terms of championship dating all the way

1065
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Speaker 7: back to the Minnesota Twins in the early nineties. Maybe

1066
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Speaker 7: they can win game five, force a game six, start

1067
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Speaker 7: to put a little bit of pressure on the Dallas Mavericks.

1068
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Speaker 7: And even if you're not into that, NHL playoffs rolling

1069
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Speaker 7: really entertaining. You've also got Major League Baseball. Every single

1070
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Speaker 7: night and you can have some fun with price picks.

1071
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Speaker 7: You can pick a bunch of different players out there

1072
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Speaker 7: and make a decision will they score more or less

1073
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Speaker 7: in terms of the points that they're going to be

1074
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Speaker 7: putting up. Whether it's golf, whether it's basketball, baseball, hockey,

1075
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Speaker 7: whatever your sport is, you get up to one hundred dollars.

1076
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Speaker 7: All you have to do is go to prizepicks dot com,

1077
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Speaker 7: use my name Clay, and you get up to one

1078
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Speaker 7: hundred dollars match no cost at all. I'm down in Florida.

1079
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Speaker 7: I can play here. You can play in Georgia, you

1080
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Speaker 7: can play in Texas, you can play in California, thirty

1081
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