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Speaker 2: Bald, right, Nobody wants to be bald. Nobody wants to

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Speaker 2: be joked on about their edges or hair loss. That's

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Speaker 1: You can't say anything because those edges are gone.

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Speaker 2: You just got to blink and just say apologies, pardon me,

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Speaker 2: I overstepped, like I.

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Speaker 1: Will come back to this conversation on later.

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Speaker 2: We will reconvene tomorrow. But tomorrow you can come back strong.

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Speaker 1: Right, you need an argument, wig and yesterday you got me.

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Speaker 1: But today I'm ready. I'm ready. Edges missing were rare,

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Speaker 2: Here, I'm t T and I'm Zakiah and from Spotify Studios.

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Speaker 2: This is Dope Labs. Today we're talking about hair.

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Speaker 1: All of y'all's hair, man hair, lady hair, non binary hair.

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Speaker 2: Some of y'all's hair that don't lay down that you

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Speaker 2: keep trying to lay.

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Speaker 1: Down, straight hair, curly hair.

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Speaker 2: Places where there used to be here, but now there's none.

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Speaker 1: Hair in places where there was no hair before.

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Speaker 2: People have been obsessed with hair since the beginning of time?

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Speaker 2: So why are we talking about it today? Well, recently

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Speaker 2: we started to notice something different about how we're talking

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Speaker 2: Let's see it up for the people.

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Speaker 1: So all of this started because Safari was doing some

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Speaker 1: interviews and the age old tale was that Safari was

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Speaker 1: writing Nicki Minaj's rhymes for her. Yes, but he was

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Speaker 1: doing these interviews and people were asking him, did you

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Speaker 1: write you know, Roman's Revenge? Did you like some of

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Speaker 1: her best songs? And he wasn't saying yes, but he

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Speaker 1: wasn't saying no either, right, And so she just started

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Speaker 1: going off on social media about him and how like

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Speaker 1: and all she did was help him and everything like that,

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Speaker 1: and he was trying to clap back, and she came

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Speaker 1: with the ultimate clap, the thunderclap, the thunderclap, and said, well,

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Speaker 1: I paid however much for you to bring that hairline

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Speaker 2: It was it was like the whole internet. You could

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Speaker 1: It was a wave, yes it was. It was a gasp,

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Speaker 1: but it just would travel through time, and so of

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Speaker 1: course we immediately run to the internet and did our

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Speaker 1: googles image do Google dot com exactly, and you see

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Speaker 2: But then we also started noticing regular regular Joe blow

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Speaker 2: even just interest on the hairline. I'm talking about bundles. Okay,

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Speaker 2: we got man added bundles to the front. And so

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Speaker 2: I feel like it happened overnight. It was like I

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Speaker 2: didn't know anything about it. And then the videos were everywhere.

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Speaker 2: It's blowing up all over Instagram.

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Speaker 1: You've seen those those viral videos man men going from

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Speaker 2: You remember those things where they dragged the magnet. You

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's like.

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Speaker 2: You got mister potato hair hair like you went from

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Speaker 1: A spud last week, exactly.

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Speaker 2: Like by Nicki Minaj out in Safari right talking about

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you.

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Speaker 2: And now I feel like people are like, look at

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Speaker 2: my new transformation. It's like when the wind blew and

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Speaker 2: going and we can see all these men's edges. All

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Speaker 1: All these dudes have been lurking in the shadows and

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Speaker 1: So you've never seen it before? I have not.

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Speaker 6: But I also don't think it's fair to say that

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Speaker 1: Do you think you would ever get a hair piece

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Speaker 5: I want to knock on wood, but I don't see

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Speaker 2: Let's start with what we know. And the one thing

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Speaker 2: Hair loss is natural, just like hair turning gray is natural.

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Speaker 1: So one thing that I think I know already is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I hope you in my mind you would

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Speaker 2: Coffee grounds. Let me tell you, it's power in the coffee.

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Speaker 1: People are taking way more selfies these days than they were,

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Speaker 2: So it's time for the dissection. That's our deep dive

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Speaker 2: And for today's dissection, we're talking to doctor Monty Oid Harris.

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Speaker 7: Yep, doctor Monty Oid Harris. I am a surgeon, scholar, entrepreneur,

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Speaker 2: But before we talk to Manty, let's all get on

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Speaker 2: the scalp. Your scalp is hosting about one hundred thousand hairs,

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Speaker 2: One of the reasons we wanted to talk to doctor

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Speaker 1: Right, He's not just telling you to rub this oil

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Speaker 7: A big part for me is that I've been really

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Speaker 1: So I get to do good hair, got to do it.

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Speaker 1: The very first question we got to ask doctor Harris

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Speaker 1: is the bedrock question. What is hair loss? What are

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Speaker 1: the different types of ways that people lose their hair?

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Speaker 1: And why do they lose their hair?

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Speaker 2: The first type of hair loss is called traction alopecia.

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Speaker 7: Neice hair loss related to like prolonged pulling intension, you know,

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Speaker 1: Name central centrifugal sickatricial alopecia. Try saying that's six times

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Speaker 7: When I see it, it's like, hey, we got to

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Speaker 7: And so those things can be all accelerated by your life.

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Speaker 7: When you're stressed, right, your body is basically and your

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Speaker 1: So basically what my body was saying was T T

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Speaker 1: Doctor Harris has applied his holistic treatment and prevention methods

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Speaker 7: That's how you know, transplanting a lot of these other

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Speaker 2: All right, So we're back. We asked doctor Harris about

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Speaker 1: Is there some type of correlation between the two.

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Speaker 7: There's been no other time probably in the history of

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Speaker 2: So doctor Harris thinks that looking at yourself obsessively with

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Speaker 1: We wanted to ask, y'all, do you think social media

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like millennials like us are consumed with ourselves?

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, honest, there are some of us that are

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Speaker 4: To look like some I think absolutely social media is

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Speaker 3: I just feel like we need to be able to

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Speaker 4: Do you think you take a lot of selfies? No,

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Speaker 1: it's all babies. Okay, let's see I elf as you

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Speaker 1: we call it zee a man weave getting his man

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the Roberts cutting down most of it, so

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Speaker 2: But wait, looks like this is this magic marker they

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Speaker 7: Oh no, I think this is about to be though.

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Speaker 2: There, right, Yeah, what do you think about that?

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Speaker 7: So it's like magic, you know, it's like boom bam,

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Speaker 7: I've looked out like whoa. I think it starts to

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Speaker 1: That's that self image rss a self fat thing. So

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Speaker 1: when you see that flower crown, you don't have those sparkles,

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Speaker 1: you don't have glitter raining down on you. Your chin

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Speaker 2: And the whites are definitely not that bright. Mostly all

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Speaker 1: All this talk about self perception and aspirations to look

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Speaker 1: we were growing up. Do you think you can guess who?

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Speaker 1: I'm hard to know who you're talking about. It's Brandy.

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Speaker 2: Brandy had those box braids and I was like, that's

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Speaker 1: I want to be her. I want that burn those ends,

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Speaker 1: sing it Tuta eat Tuta Moosha. When Brandy first came

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Speaker 2: And recently, you know, now we can kind of we

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Speaker 2: They're saying those were wigs, And I said, Brandy, you

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, and so that brings up a really

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Speaker 2: Brandy knew her hair was amazing, Okay, but it had

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Speaker 2: I can't live up to that. It's like you're supposed

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Speaker 1: Exactly. You're supposed to just wake up like that.

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Speaker 2: And that's not the case. It's not and you learned

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Speaker 1: Kind of kind of, maybe that's what that's what we'll

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Speaker 7: Here's probably biggest misconception. It just clicked, this notion of

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Speaker 1: Oh no, this is a problem. A protected style is

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Speaker 2: But people are attributing everything to protective styles. My hair

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Speaker 7: So I'm not saying there isn't a sort of a

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Speaker 2: So it's protected for five weeks, but not five years.

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Speaker 1: It is a kia. I can think of a time

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Speaker 2: Well, everybody gather around the fireside, okay, because let me

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Speaker 2: tell you a tale as old as time, and it

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Speaker 1: She's gonna try and blame me.

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Speaker 2: I'm not blaming t T. I should have known not

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Speaker 2: Went to this hair shop where she was getting You

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Speaker 2: used to get that whip shay butter. Yes, it was

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Speaker 2: they have, and you were like, it's a banana egg,

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Speaker 2: some oil and you blend it all together, or you

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Speaker 2: mix it all together and you put it on your

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Speaker 2: hair and you let it sit and then you wash

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Speaker 2: it out right.

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Speaker 1: And I just want to preface this story because that

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Speaker 1: was very accurate the way you said it.

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Speaker 2: I never told you to do it. Yes, you never said,

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Speaker 2: but you said proceed. She transferred the information, and thinking

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Speaker 2: that this was a credible source, I said, I have

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Speaker 2: those things at my house, right, got a very right

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Speaker 2: banana Okay, well, saving it for banana bread. Little did

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Speaker 2: I know that's what I was making in my hair.

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Speaker 2: I mixed that stuff together. I mashed it up with

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Speaker 2: a fork. I'm in my I was in my bathroom

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Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, yes, because when I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: put this stuff on, I put a little shower cap on.

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Speaker 2: Because back then the YouTubers were telling us that you

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Speaker 2: need to basically collect greenhouse gases to really let stuff

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Speaker 2: penetrate into the cuticle of the hair. Okay, So I

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Speaker 2: was like, I'm gonna put this stuff on. I put

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Speaker 2: that little shower cap little like from a hotel shower

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Speaker 2: cap I let it sit. I said, oh, yes, it's

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Speaker 2: gonna hoo, gonna be shiny when I take this off.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, all right, I gotta get this

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Speaker 2: stuff out of my hair. So I rinsed it and

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Speaker 2: I got the shower. This was on my natural hair journey,

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Speaker 2: and I was like, huh, still got some little chunks

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Speaker 2: in here. I'm like, I'm it's probably the water is

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Speaker 2: not hot enough. So I get back in the shower.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna really get this stuff out of here now.

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Speaker 2: I didn't really think about what I was doing, because

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Speaker 2: basically what I had done was I'd already had all

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Speaker 2: the ingredients for banana bread and then I just turned

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Speaker 2: the oven on, right, I turned the temperature of the

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Speaker 2: water up, I just turned the oven off, and I

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Speaker 2: basically baked the cake.

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Speaker 1: So Midro, I have to go to the lab the

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Speaker 1: next day.

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Speaker 2: I'm texting TT like, girl, I don't know, I'm really

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Speaker 2: having a hard time getting this stuff out, and she's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure to be fine. I was like, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: do one more washing. That's it, because I'm tired. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to bed. So I go to work the next

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Speaker 2: day and I'm just like, is all the banana stuff out?

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Speaker 2: Tt you came by the lab, what did you see.

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Speaker 1: The next day? She makes it sound like she was

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Speaker 1: very pleasant. When she asked me. She wasn't okay. She said,

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Speaker 1: this banana is still in my hair. I was she

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Speaker 1: was living and I said, okay, well, let me come look.

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Speaker 1: Her lab was right across the street from my lab.

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Speaker 1: So I get over there, and when I tell you,

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Speaker 1: from down the hall, I could see this banana. She

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Speaker 1: had banana chunks in her hair. And I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, She's gonna kill me if I say

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Speaker 1: I could see this banana. So I'm like, oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: this is just a little bit in there. So I'm

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Speaker 1: like trying to pick up out, but there's millions of

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Speaker 1: banana pieces in her hair.

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Speaker 2: You know, when you embarrassed like that, you lash out

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Speaker 2: at the ones you love. I was very upset with

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Speaker 2: T and I was like, you told me that this

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Speaker 2: was work. You told me that this was supposed to

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Speaker 2: be conditioning.

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Speaker 1: And I said, I didn't tell you anything. I told

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Speaker 1: you with somebody else that told.

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Speaker 2: Me, so be careful of the messenger. Don't let any people.

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Speaker 1: She's gonna kill the Messenger. I definitely was ready to

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Speaker 1: kill the messenger that day. I was just embarrassed. I

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Speaker 1: was hurt, but it was fine. You know, you had

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Speaker 1: a snack if you needed one. Hey, come on, I

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Speaker 1: was getting all the servants of fruit. Hello friends.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it was like my eyes were open,

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Speaker 2: but somebody peeled the film off of them.

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Speaker 1: Cataract surgery. Yes, I feel like I just had LASiS

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Speaker 1: exactly right, because I knew hair was important, but I

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Speaker 1: didn't even think of it as like how the stress

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Speaker 1: ties in all these things are connected, Like we got

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Speaker 1: to start from the inside out with these edges.

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Speaker 2: And I went straight to Whole Foods after that, because

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Speaker 2: what did you get? Kale, leafy greens, all the healthy

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Speaker 2: things that I felt like were gonna nourish me from

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Speaker 2: the inside out.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot of fiber. I hope your tummy doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Hurt when I go from this shortcut to a bob.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna be wondering how I did it fiber.

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Speaker 1: I guess. Another thing that was surprising for me was

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Speaker 1: how he was talking about how with this increase of

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Speaker 1: visibility and looking at yourself with social media, that he's

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Speaker 1: seen a rise in people who are coming to get

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Speaker 1: hair restoration and plastic surgery and things like that, and

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Speaker 1: it's not just women.

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Speaker 2: When he said self image versus self fat fact read.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, I was like, I chill one up. I feel

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Speaker 1: like there's definitely things I can do differently with my hair.

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Speaker 1: I need to unlearn everything that I thought I knew

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Speaker 1: about protective styling and what it was doing for my hair.

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Speaker 1: So like, if I get braids, maybe not have them

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Speaker 1: in for a long time and still making sure that I'm,

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Speaker 1: you know, doing things that are good for my scalp

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Speaker 1: and everything like that while they're in, so that when

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Speaker 1: I take them out, I could feel like it was

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Speaker 1: a protective style and that my hair benefited from that process.

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Speaker 1: Protected for a season, not for a year. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: to be clear, no, I have for a year braids

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Speaker 1: for a year. I have these people thinking that my

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Speaker 1: hair smells like an old carpet.

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Speaker 2: Apologies, let me put on my arguing wig.

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Speaker 1: Are you going to get an arguing wig? Still? I

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Speaker 1: think everybody should invest in an argument wig just in case.

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Speaker 1: What about you? Are you gonna do anything differently with

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Speaker 1: your hair?

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Speaker 2: With my spirit, I feel like not a protective hairstyle,

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Speaker 2: but a protective lifestyle about to cut the stress out out. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I feel like since we kind of can predict this,

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Speaker 2: if there's anybody out there listening, what is the correct

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Speaker 2: stop to invest in?

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Speaker 1: Because I predict that this thing is going straight to

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Speaker 1: the talk. Got to wrap on Lab two of Dope

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Speaker 2: Can people use armpit hairs?

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Speaker 7: Yeah? They can use hair from all over the body,

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00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 7: pubic hair too, Yeah, folks who do that right? And

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Speaker 7: then yeah, so.

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Speaker 2: M I feel like my chin is a great donor region.

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Speaker 2: And why is it so? I read this thing that

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Speaker 2: said that I know