1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news, single. 2 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 2: Best idea on a Friday in the summer. But it's 3 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: not a normal Friday in the summer. There have been 4 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 2: other August Fridays. Nineteen ninety eight is seared in my memory. 5 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 2: It was something I've had the honor not once but 6 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: twice to speak at length with the Nobel Laureate Myron 7 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 2: Shoals about the August of nineteen ninety eight, to speak 8 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: to cliff Asnas John Boegel about it extraordinary. This isn't 9 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 2: like nineteen ninety eight, but what we have all been 10 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: through in the last ten days is just absolutely extraordinary. 11 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: I'm not going to take time here in a six 12 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: minute podcast to go into the details or frankly my 13 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: thoughts on it, but the resiliency, the depth of the 14 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: American financial system is jaw dropping. I mentioned Arthur Levitt, 15 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: of course, of Bloomberg, the former SEC chairman who brought 16 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 2: stability to the individual investor, and I really think some 17 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 2: of this depth started with his first principal work at 18 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 2: the SEC years ago. Kaptain Kaminski is absolutely expert at 19 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 2: this prodigious academics out of the Massachusetts Institute of technology 20 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 2: trend was shattered. Katie Kaminski on trend. 21 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 3: What happens when you have such a big move is 22 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 3: that its trend signals a lot. So you have to 23 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 3: think a little bit about the type of trend filter 24 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 3: that you're using. Some models are going to be much 25 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 3: more like your classic moving averages, and those really adjust 26 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 3: aggressively when you have that type of move. But you 27 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 3: can also use other types of models that may sort 28 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 3: of windsor eyes or remove some of the outliers, and 29 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 3: those may not be as much affected. But the truth 30 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 3: is there may be information in this recent event that 31 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 3: could be foreboting for potential trends to come. 32 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: Katie Kaminsky off simplex. I can't say enough about this. 33 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: There's two basic types of trading and investing. What is 34 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: trend based, where you get you know, you have a 35 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: belief system, and you get on a trend, and you 36 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 2: stand the trend, the trend's broken, you get out. I mean, 37 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 2: we all understand that. The other is what's called stochastics, 38 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: which is trying to be much more cute, much more 39 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 2: find the perfect point less get in the trend and 40 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 2: find the perfect moment. Of course, the cliche is to 41 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: catch a falling knife in the dark. But stochastics versus 42 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 2: trends and everything I've done here with Bloomberg on the 43 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 2: economy in Bloomberg's surveillance is about trend following, trend persistency, 44 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: and a great respect for getting out when the trend 45 00:02:55,520 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: is shattered. Kaminsky hesitant, but I really have say still 46 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 2: says there is a bull market trend that is hugely 47 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 2: in sync with IF. In devot of Monetta, arguably the 48 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 2: most prestigious academics of anyone we speak to. Her set 49 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 2: of academic excellence out of Ireland, out of the United 50 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 2: Kingdom is jaw dropping her work. Really, I really really 51 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: listen to IF and devt really with some great perspective 52 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 2: here she is on into twenty twenty five. 53 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not going to I think sixty forty to 54 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 4: use your expression no longer cuts the mustard. It would 55 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 4: be clearly a balanced portfolio that has gone somewhat out 56 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 4: of favor. We saw that in twenty twenty two. Both 57 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 4: sides of that portfolio behave poorly, and now we have 58 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 4: a situation where even the smallest retail vester is starting 59 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 4: to look around the corner at alternatives so I wouldn't 60 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 4: say sixty forty. I would actually advocate for far more 61 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 4: diversification today than than sixty forty. But I also wouldn't 62 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 4: say staying in cash is going to work so well 63 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 4: when we all know that interest rates are coming down. 64 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 2: Evan Dubitt of Mondetta, what a joy. Last week they 65 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 2: have David Gura, surveillance lobster correspondent. We got a huge 66 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 2: response to that August tradition, so much so that Gura 67 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 2: sent in a photograph from Reds was cast it what 68 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 2: he does. You can't believe this, Boks. I mean, you 69 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 2: talk about criminal activity. Gura and missus Gurra leave the 70 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 2: kids in the line at Reds which stretches halfway to 71 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 2: Calais while they go antique shopping, and wiscast it. It's unbelievable, 72 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 2: the cruel and unusual punishment. And we said good morning 73 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 2: to Reds and all the great lobster houses that are 74 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 2: part of the surveillance world. This week it was the 75 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: image of hot dogs and what does that mean? Thank 76 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 2: you to the Warrington family, Mamaronick, New York, just north 77 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 2: of New York City. Our w Apple Junior at the 78 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 2: New York Times years Ago called it the best hot 79 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 2: dog in America. It is a hot dog of one 80 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: hundred and five years. Walter's Dogs celebrates their one hundred 81 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 2: and fifth anniversary of employing kids in Mamarnac with muster Damien, 82 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: says our expert on Walter's Dogs. Here is surveillance hotdog 83 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 2: correspondent Eric Ween or Bloomberg News. 84 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 5: It's a tiny little hot dog stand. It's been there forever. 85 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 5: It's legendary. People do come from distances to go there, 86 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 5: but it's really a locals thing. Like every little league's 87 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 5: team goes there after they win. My Fabrica childhood exactly exactly, 88 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 5: And the hot dogs are excellent. They like do this 89 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 5: weird thing with the They like dip them in butter 90 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 5: or whatever, and then they put them on the griddle 91 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 5: and oh it's awesome, and then they split it and 92 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 5: so it's sort of crispy, and the bun is excellent. 93 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: Gotta go, I'm hungry. So other is my childhood of 94 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 2: this was swegelhots, reds and whites, zwigelhats and good morning, 95 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 2: Don and Bob's in Western New York. I don't think 96 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 2: it's there anymore. Walter's Dogs is there still and always forever. 97 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 2: It's been a great week. Look for us on Android Auto, 98 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 2: on Apple car Play. Look for us on YouTube. 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