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Speaker 1: What's Up, Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode of

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Speaker 1: The Mets The Podcast, another off season one for you.

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Speaker 1: We've got some more roster moves to talk about, some

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Speaker 1: things going on in the Mets world as always, and

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Speaker 1: Might be a little dated now that baseball is over.

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Speaker 1: But James, how we feeling? What's going on? Feeling good?

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Speaker 2: Excited I did for Thanksgiving, decided to go back and

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Speaker 2: hang out with my family.

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Speaker 1: Excited. Hopefully this doesn't get dated.

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Speaker 2: To watch Ourhiose State play football this weekend, getting ready

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Speaker 2: for that, Like twenty five percent chance I wind up

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Speaker 2: going there, So we'll see how that winds up. But oh,

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Speaker 2: really small chance, small chance of Samy and I are

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Speaker 2: really just thinking about hopping in the car and just

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Speaker 2: sending it is it?

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Speaker 1: Is it in Columbus or is it in Michigan and Arbor?

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Speaker 1: Never been? Whoa, I know you've never been. I've been

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Speaker 1: to the I've been to the campus in the city,

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Speaker 1: but I've never been to the stadium to a game there.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, and this is like, this is most important

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Speaker 2: college football game ever played, So this is this is

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Speaker 2: the one time to go. Yeah, this could kill Michigan. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this could kill Michigan at the university. But that's not

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Speaker 2: this You guys don't like when we talk.

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Speaker 1: About college fotball. John's not even.

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Speaker 2: Here to make us talk about it because he would

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Speaker 2: ask twenty five questions about it.

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Speaker 1: But wait, can we briefly mention that we we have

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Speaker 1: possession of the funniest clip ever of a producer, John

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Speaker 1: stat John.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that's actually true. We should so John

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Speaker 2: is a big Indiana basketball fans. You guys know. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you guys love the beginning to get podcast

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Speaker 2: starting with this.

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Speaker 1: But we promised if you're watching this on YouTube, it

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Speaker 1: will be worth it if John allows it.

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Speaker 2: If John allows it, yeah, more like Vito allows that.

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Speaker 2: I don't really John sent us the video we have

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Speaker 2: in our possession. Whatever John wants to do it. John

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Speaker 2: just loves the camera. He's happy to be on it.

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Speaker 2: But John was in a contest at the Indiana Georgetown basketball.

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Speaker 1: Game last week on you kind of sure, Oh he's

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Speaker 1: you kind of you right?

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Speaker 2: It's the Ray Allen jersey and he it was like

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Speaker 2: one of the things where it's like you're on a

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Speaker 2: and go as fast as you can.

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Speaker 1: John got smoked. John got smoked first of.

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Speaker 2: All by the woman who was competing against She beat

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Speaker 2: While he is a father of one in his thirty

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Speaker 1: I get this is why I love John though, because

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Speaker 2: And if you guys watch this on YouTube a lot

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Speaker 1: Be something you appreciate greatly. Yeah, John, we love you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for sending us that video. Really really brought

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Speaker 1: a smile to my face in the morning, which is

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Speaker 1: is a great thing. So now to talk about the Mets,

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Speaker 1: like you said, I think the biggest thing to talk

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Speaker 1: you would say that. And the Mets have gotten rid

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Speaker 1: of a couple fan favorites. They've gotten rid of a

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Speaker 1: couple of players that, especially on this podcast, maybe we

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Speaker 1: third big one being for of course this podcast, Jeff Brigham.

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Speaker 1: Where do we want to start James, which guy which

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Speaker 1: is over or May?

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Speaker 2: Because Jormy now was a guy who spent a lot

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Speaker 2: of years of this team, just a lot of years

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Speaker 2: with this organization. You or May overall had over eight

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Speaker 2: hundred play the periods hasn't met He appeared in over

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Speaker 2: we're all going to look back at Luis ki Army's

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Speaker 2: I think I think he will catch on somewhere and

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Speaker 2: oh totally.

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Speaker 1: I mean he has value because like we said, he

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Speaker 1: be important. He's gonna get three hundred played appearances, and

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Speaker 1: he was a league average hitter with an above average glove,

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Speaker 1: something that helped that team win over or win one

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Speaker 1: CERN's the Mets just kind of assessed that Giorme is

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Speaker 1: as well, There's plenty of players just like him available

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Speaker 2: And the other big thing that made gior May in

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Speaker 2: Mets have a lot of open roster spots, which we're

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Speaker 1: But he was like he was the backup shortstop in.

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Speaker 2: and it seems like those two being on the roster

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he I think that based on what we gave

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Speaker 2: Vocal back that it was a move at the trade

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Speaker 2: It was what like late June twenty twenty one, two

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Speaker 2: we need the hydh right now, and we all have

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Speaker 2: that much stuff to give up, so let's give up

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Speaker 2: this and get that. And Garma was great that year.

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Speaker 2: He was he was significantly worse last year. He was

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Speaker 1: You don't hear it.

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Speaker 2: He had the highest WRC plus or any player traded

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Speaker 2: the twenty two deadline, and that was like what we needed.

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Speaker 2: But then it just didn't turn out to be exactly that. Again,

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Speaker 2: Yes, and Steamer Projections came out about a week week

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Speaker 2: Guy should definitely use it if you play fantasy baseball

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Speaker 2: And Steamer projects Dj Stewart for one ninety five ISO.

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Speaker 2: This is the weekend. This is the weekend Florida State,

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Speaker 2: he got that fastball life back, I think that makes

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Speaker 2: him just getting an invite to spring training worth it.

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Speaker 2: The fact that we can get him back in the

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Speaker 2: pitch lab and put get his change back to a

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Speaker 2: play's going to be And I'm not telling you Cole

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Speaker 2: Saltzer is going to be you know, the Mets sevenup

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Speaker 2: mad and the Mets future closer here, But I'm just

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Speaker 2: telling you that I think he's someone who similar to

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Speaker 2: Coon Rod and bring up last year where it's like, okay,

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Speaker 2: this is a picture who I think he.

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Speaker 1: Has an option.

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Speaker 2: I'm a double check that right now. But he has

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Speaker 2: stuff that has been good in the major leagues before

447
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Speaker 2: and probably can do well. Something else funny about col Sols.

448
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Speaker 2: Yes he does have an option that makes that makes

449
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Speaker 2: also a lot more sense here. But him and his

450
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Speaker 2: wife have written a children's book whoa about baseball. I

451
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Speaker 2: think it's called Benny Takes a Bat. I'm the double

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Speaker 2: checker right now, Benny the Pitch. It's called Benny the Picture.

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Speaker 2: It's a paperback. It was released in twenty twenty, so

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Speaker 2: as you know, he.

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Speaker 1: He was hot on my mind.

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Speaker 2: Him his wife were, you know, multitasking here during the

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Speaker 2: pandemic as well, which is really cool. And I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you guys this right now. If Cole Solcer get to

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Speaker 2: save this year for the New York Mets, not only

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Speaker 2: will I purchase this children's book and we'll do a

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Speaker 2: reading of them on the podcast. My mom works in

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Speaker 2: a school. I'll go and read the book to some

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Speaker 2: for students.

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Speaker 1: Ooh, okay, see, I was gonna say we should just

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Speaker 1: read the book. I think just in general, like in

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Speaker 1: spring training. At some point he gets an appearance. Let's

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Speaker 1: get Cole Solcer's book out there a little bit.

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Speaker 2: But to stay for the Mets, I will I will

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Speaker 2: go to an elementary school my mom teaches shatout che

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Speaker 2: and I will read the book to some students.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I like that. I'll join along too. I'll film.

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Speaker 1: I'll video Markel video, Marco video. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's

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Speaker 1: called that's the cole sulcer. A minute question for you, James,

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Speaker 1: as the pitching nerd, the pitching guru, as we say,

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Speaker 1: do you feel vindicated when like the Mets have a

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Speaker 1: smart guy like David Searn's making the decisions and then

477
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Speaker 1: he hops on immediately to one of the guys you've

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Speaker 1: been saying for a couple of years now. Amazing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, thats why fell last year. Jef brigam too,

480
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Speaker 2: I was writing about Jeff Brigham like twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: I was writing for Pitcher List. I was like, this

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Speaker 2: guy's closer stuff, and I'm like, yes, but a little

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Speaker 2: different now. The fact that David Starin's like one of

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Speaker 2: his first his first order business in Mester all manager

485
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Speaker 2: was let me get a niche relieve for them, James

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Speaker 2: talked about two years ago.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, nice, that's really cool. Maybe he's a big

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Speaker 1: fan of your writing.

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Speaker 2: You know, if David Star's ever read anything I wrote

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Speaker 2: by any of my relievers stuff, I'd be crazy. That'd

491
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Speaker 2: be so funny. I mean that's what we got to

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Speaker 2: talk to me. I'd be like, how what do you

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Speaker 2: think about Caul Salzer? But I digress.

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Speaker 1: Alright now in terms of moves, I think that's pretty

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Speaker 1: much it for the Mets. Everybody else got tender to contract,

496
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Speaker 1: so you'll see them again next year, and then just

497
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Speaker 1: some like kind of off season house keeping stuff before

498
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Speaker 1: we start talking about free agency and some moves going

499
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Speaker 1: around the division. Francisco Lindoor and Pete Alonso both got

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Speaker 1: some down ballot MVP votes. Francisco Lindoor finishing inside the

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Speaker 1: top ten for the second time in three years as

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Speaker 1: a New York Met. Uh so the haters can what

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Speaker 1: did you say, back to back years? Oh, back to

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Speaker 1: back years, I know, but second time in three years.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying in general, just as a New York Met,

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Speaker 1: he's been top ten and MVP twice. I'm saying that

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Speaker 1: again for all you out there so you can listen

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Speaker 1: to it. Top ten and MVP twice at the shortstop position,

509
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Speaker 1: also on the silver Slugger as we know. And Pete

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Speaker 1: Alonso finished seventeenth, receiving MVP votes for the third time

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Speaker 1: in his career in five seasons with the New York Mets.

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Speaker 1: To shout out to them, obviously, we know how good

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Speaker 1: they are as well. We have to talk about code

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Speaker 1: I Sanga, who finished inside the top ten, honestly finished

515
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Speaker 1: a little bit lower than I thought he should have.

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Speaker 1: I think he should have been a top five guy.

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Speaker 1: I think seven was a little well disrespectful. I don't

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Speaker 1: agree with that, but seven, as a rookie in his

519
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Speaker 1: first season in Major League baseball, not too shabby, no,

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Speaker 1: not bad at all. Got some third place votes as well.

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Speaker 2: I think I was a little surprised with how high

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Speaker 2: Logan webweud finishing, but then when I look at how

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Speaker 2: much he actually pitched it, it seems like, though, like

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Speaker 2: every year with the cy Young the writers go back

525
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Speaker 2: and forth and what they want to value.

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Speaker 1: It is kind of just like choose your own venture.

527
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Speaker 2: Like a few years ago when it was Wheeler versus Burns,

528
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Speaker 2: I was like Wheeler through like sixty more innings. It

529
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Speaker 2: was basically as effective, Like why is the other guy

530
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Speaker 2: getting the credit for not throwing as many innings while

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Speaker 2: being barely more effective? But I digress. There's no rhyme reasons.

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Speaker 2: That's just a bunch of right is voting, And I'm

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Speaker 2: happy Sanga did get that bit.

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Speaker 1: Of an accolade as a rookie.

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Speaker 2: I think Senga should have finished ahead of Justin Steel. Oh,

536
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Speaker 2: I think Justin Steel should have been in the top ten.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like I think he should have finish ahead of Steel.

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Speaker 1: I think he should have finished ahead Wheeler. I think

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Speaker 1: he has an argument to finish Ahad a Spencer Strider

540
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Speaker 1: because that fraud almost had a four ra Yeah, fourth

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Speaker 1: with a four yr get real?

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Speaker 2: No, And I mean the Braves happen active. We'll talk

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Speaker 2: about them briefly, But Sanger had an incredible year and

544
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Speaker 2: you know what, honestly good more people doubt him. I

545
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Speaker 2: just want one bigger chip on his shoulder. I don't

546
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Speaker 2: really care, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: Shout out of Francisco Alvarez turned twenty two this week,

548
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Speaker 1: which means the twenty one year old meme that me

549
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Speaker 1: and James have been yelling about on this podcast for

550
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Speaker 1: the last year is officially over. He's a twenty two

551
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Speaker 1: years old. In two days, November nineteenth was his birthday.

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Speaker 1: James put out a great little meme. Was that? Is

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Speaker 1: that the Ninja Turtles? Was that? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: No, it was such a stupid meme. We were like,

555
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Speaker 2: when do you think of a meme for Francisco Alvarez

556
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Speaker 2: turning twenty two? And that we can't think of anything.

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Speaker 2: I was like, sos, Taylor Swift. You're like, yeah, but

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Speaker 2: I don't know how. I was like, yeah, I don't

559
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Speaker 2: really know either. I get what you're saying, but I

560
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Speaker 2: just had this something stupid. Yeah, he feeling twenty two

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Speaker 2: yet Now he's what.

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Speaker 1: We should have We should have done like highlights of

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Speaker 1: him with the Taylor Swift song in the background. That's

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Speaker 1: what it would have been. Dang, we missed it. Why

565
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Speaker 1: have to be a Sunday?

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Speaker 2: Why that's a football that's a football day.

567
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Speaker 1: I mean, if the birthday was a Tuesday, would have

568
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Speaker 1: been much more focused with much of lines with that

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Speaker 1: Tuesday before Thanksgiving locked in Sunday of some big football games.

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Speaker 2: Not locked in, we could have literally just done like

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Speaker 2: twenty two different home runs for Alvarez.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's just bad. This is bad, all right, all right,

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Speaker 1: So forget about that. Let's get a little bit sad now.

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Speaker 1: David Wright on the Hall of Fame ballot, just so

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Speaker 1: sad really hits in the fields. The Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: ballot is out, and I think maybe we'll save this

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Speaker 1: for an episode when John is on with us, because

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Speaker 1: I know John's really passionate about one one player in

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Speaker 1: particular that's on the Hall of Fame ballot because john

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Speaker 1: is a trader and just wants to stab and twist

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Speaker 1: the knife in our hearts every chance he gets. But

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Speaker 1: that's also why we make fun of him. That's the

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Speaker 1: give and take you yet with Johnny stats. So we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about the Hall of Fame ballot a little bit more,

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Speaker 1: probably in an upcoming episode. He didn't come on this ballot.

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Speaker 1: That just showing any more. He has his own show.

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Speaker 1: Now we're cant Strokes ego. It's all fist was for him,

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Speaker 1: It's true, But how can you talk about his favorite

589
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Speaker 1: non med ever Chase?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course I do think though it is it's

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Speaker 2: funny like to look at this Hall of Fame ballot

592
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Speaker 2: and see that a guy like David Wright is on

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Speaker 2: it the same year as a guy like Adrian Belchray

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Speaker 2: is on it. Were Belchray debut and like nineteen ninety

595
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Speaker 2: eight and had played like seven hundred games before David

596
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Speaker 2: Wright came to the midjor leagues and then played after

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Speaker 2: he retired, And it's.

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Speaker 1: Just doing this.

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Speaker 2: I just I don't know, we gotta talk about it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I just seeing seeing David Wright's name in

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Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame ballt was like something I've like

602
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Speaker 2: dreaded for years where I'm like, damn it. The fact

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Speaker 2: that like him and Rice around the same time. It's

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Speaker 2: also kind of interesting. And then like, like Bartolo Colonne,

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Speaker 2: think about when Bartolo Colone started playing baseball, when David

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Speaker 2: Rice started playing baseball.

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Speaker 1: The fact they're in the same Hall of Fame ballot.

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Speaker 1: It sucks miserable, but Bartolo Colone's about to go play

609
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Speaker 1: in that league in Dubai. I think they're having like

610
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Speaker 1: their showcase this week in the Baseball United It's crazy

611
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Speaker 1: that guy's still gonna be pitching technically professionally.

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Speaker 2: Portolo Coloone is ten years older than David Wright. He

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Speaker 2: was born nineteen seventy two. Right, I was born nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 1: Bartolo Colon David Wright equally Mets legends according to some

615
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Speaker 1: now to actually talk about the offseason. To wrap up

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Speaker 1: this episode here before we go and announce the giveaway

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Speaker 1: winner of the DJ Stewart Signed Baseball to which you

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Speaker 1: should follow us on Twitter at Mets Up. Yoshinobu Yamamoto,

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Speaker 1: the best available free agent not named show Heyo Tani

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Speaker 1: has become officially posted this weekend, I think technically yesterday

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Speaker 1: on Monday. So that means that teams can now put

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Speaker 1: in their offer sheets, put in their their bids to

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Speaker 1: be able to then sign Yoshinobu Yamamoto, who you guys

624
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Speaker 1: have heard us talk about him at nauseum on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: We're going to continue until he's signed by a team.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully it will be the Mets best picture available on the

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Speaker 1: market right now, without a doubt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's not even close, and that speaks

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Speaker 2: to both how how much potential Yamo Tho has as

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Speaker 2: well as what else is on the market, especially now

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Speaker 2: Aaron Nola is off the market.

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Speaker 1: I think that there was a great clip that was

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Speaker 1: going around this week of the s n Y booth.

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Speaker 2: First of all, the fact that Adam Alavino is over there,

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Speaker 2: he's on sitting on the cap she give us some

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Speaker 2: gray analysis.

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Speaker 1: He's I think he'd be great there.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's done playing, but I think if

639
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Speaker 2: he ever did decide to step into being an analyst,

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Speaker 2: he would be fantastic.

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Speaker 1: He's just he's passionately knowledgeable. I feel like he could

642
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Speaker 1: almost be like Bill Waltony about like baseball, just because

643
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Speaker 1: he's like a little he's a little out there with

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Speaker 1: Like again, we asked him, what are you listening to

645
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Speaker 1: before the game? We're like lo fi hip hop, Like,

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget that answer for the life of me,

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Speaker 1: just like whoa, you know, it's not even a song,

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Speaker 1: It's just a playlist of sounds.

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Speaker 2: I just think I like, I like just like music.

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Speaker 2: I don't like anyone singing it necessarily, but yeah, I

651
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 2: think it would be good there. I think that I

652
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 2: think everyone wants to pretend right now in Baseball Towyer

653
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 2: baseball analysts. Everyone wants to be like, my team is

654
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 2: a favorite for you, Amo, though, when realistically no one

655
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 2: knows anything, because even like today when we're recording this

656
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: Tuesday is the first time anyone can actually even make

657
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 2: an offer to him. I think anyone can even really

658
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 2: talk to him. And Andy Martine was talking to our

659
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: favorite BALLD analyst, so I'm not gonna say his name,

660
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 2: and uh so Martina was like, hey, so like the

661
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 2: Red Sox, what beetle Juice, Yeah, beetle Juice s piel Jewess.

662
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 2: Of course, it's kind of similar. Actually, if we think

663
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 2: about it where it's like, oh God and roundheads. But up,

664
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 2: Martino goes, the Yankees, the Mets, and the Red Sox

665
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 2: are all really strong candidates.

666
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: And then the guy goes, oh, yeah, so those are

667
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: the strongest cans.

668
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 2: Martina goes, no, no, no, no, no, there are lots of candidates,

669
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 2: he says, So they're not top three. Martin goes, they

670
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 2: are not top three. They are just people who are

671
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,360
Speaker 2: going to make strong offers. These are not the only

672
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 2: people making strong offers. Everyone's going to make a strong offer.

673
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: And I think that is like where we should leave

674
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 2: the discussion. Because everyone wants this guy. There's like probably

675
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 2: seventeen teams they're going to make a bit on him

676
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 2: and trying to offer him a contract legitimately, like everyone

677
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: wants a front line starting pitcher.

678
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: He's twenty five years old, he throws in the upper nineties.

679
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 2: With a devastating splitther, and he's he's been pitching a

680
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 2: big games Japan. He wants the spotlight, and he's shown

681
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 2: the ability to improve, learn new pitches, and do new things.

682
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: Cod that just came over last year and showed people

683
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 2: the high end of what can happen when the Japanese

684
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 2: pitcher can throw that hard with the devastating off speed pitch,

685
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 2: everyone's going to be in I think the Mets have

686
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 2: a really good chance to get him, but I just

687
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 2: everyone temper your expectations.

688
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: I'm scared. Yeah, it's not a shoe by any means.

689
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, it's also going to

690
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: come down to where he wants to go as well.

691
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: Like if he wants to play in New York, he's

692
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: gonna play in New York. He wants to play out West,

693
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 1: he wants to go play for the Kansas City Royals.

694
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: He can make that decision. He's gonna have that option.

695
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: Don't stress. There's nothing we can do as fans, literally nothing,

696
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: just to hope that Yoshinobu Yamamoto is playing for the

697
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: right team in New York next year with the New

698
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: York Mets. Would love to see him here and join

699
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: Code I Sanga in that rotation because, like you said,

700
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: he is absolutely disgusting. Now to talk about the other

701
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 1: Japanese player on the market who would also love on

702
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: the New York Mets. I think everybody would love him

703
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: on their team. Maybe not the Angels since they couldn't

704
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: win with him, but Sho Heo Tani. Of course the

705
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 1: best free agent that we are probably gonna ever really

706
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: see hit the free agent market in our lifetime, just

707
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: because of his ability to pitch and hit. It's absolutely

708
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 1: disgusting allegedly supposedly taking secret meetings and part of these

709
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 1: secret meetings or that if he hears that it's being leaked.

710
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 1: So let's just say that the Cubs, you know, the Cubs,

711
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 1: that's a team that could be taking some secret meetings

712
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: with Shoe hey o Tani. If it gets leaked that

713
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: he's taken this secret meeting with the Cubs, apparently he's

714
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: gonna hold that against the team. He's gonna be like, hey,

715
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: no leaks. This is my free agency, this is my show.

716
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: You don't get to to tell people when I'm talking

717
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: to you. That's on me. I absolutely love it. Balls

718
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: in your court. This is sick.

719
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 2: No, I legitimately love this, especially when you know a

720
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: free agent has like so much leverage where it's like

721
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: some of the most leverage ever we've seen any any

722
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: athlete have in the open market. This does remind me

723
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 2: of the Lebron days like twenty ten, where he was

724
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna I want you to give me a

725
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 2: pitch and like James, don't give him like a PowerPoint

726
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 2: presentation and you're pat ray, like drop the rings on

727
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 2: the table and like most people do their thing where

728
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 2: it's like okay, Like this is really like like woo me,

729
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 2: like tell me that, yeah, get me to come here,

730
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 2: court man. And if you leak, if you say anything,

731
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 2: you're out. I don't trust you. I don't trust you.

732
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 2: I can't do this.

733
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: It's like he has the power and I do it.

734
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: And this is a call off to every reporter in

735
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: the world who covers the Mets. If the Mets were

736
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 1: to ever take a secret meeting and you leak it,

737
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: I'll never forgive you. I'll never forgive you. You're dead

738
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 1: to me. You're dead to me. I don't care if

739
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: you If the Mets somehow get one of these secret

740
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: meetings with Shoeyo Tani and you and you leak it,

741
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: dead to me, and you should be dead to the

742
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: Mets world. You should never exist.

743
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 2: No. I mean, if any person who's like not involving

744
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 2: decision making process hurts the ability for the decision to

745
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: be made and like actually deal get done. I I

746
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 2: the one to ever think that like us. People in

747
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 2: the normal world can affect these things like in the

748
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 2: risen world over here. But if it does, you're special

749
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 2: kind of evil.

750
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, special kind of evil. I'm talking to you on

751
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: fan side, whatever article publication you're write for it, don't

752
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: be that guy. Don't be that guy. You're not that guy. Pal,

753
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: it's not worth it. Another guy that could maybe be

754
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: that guy for the Mets one day. Little connections to

755
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: David Stearns as well. How about Brandon Woodruff getting non tender.

756
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: That one was the most surprisingly surprising move that happened

757
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: during the non tender deadline because it makes sense with

758
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: the Brewers, the way that they're operating and the fact

759
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: that they weren't able to make a trade. Brandon Woodroff's

760
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: most likely not pitching this upcoming season in twenty twenty

761
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: three or twenty twenty four, well, twenty twenty four, that's

762
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: the year we're going to be in. But when he

763
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: comes back, you do have one of the best pictures

764
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: in baseball available at your disposal. So Brandon Woodrif to

765
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: the Mets, what do you think, James, I mean, you

766
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: do theoretically, but like a guy like Woodriff, like that

767
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: This injury definitely scares me.

768
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: The fact that like it's it's not an elbow, it's

769
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: to shoulder. And he's a pitcher who is early in

770
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 2: his thirties. He's a pitcher who also has been pitching

771
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: with Reynauds syndrome for over two years now, which Raynold

772
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 2: syndrome for people don't know what cuts off circulation your extremities.

773
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: So as a pitcher, he had a lot of pressure.

774
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 2: This was the twenty one season, right that this happened

775
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: with twenty twenty two.

776
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty two, because remember he started off bad and

777
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: then he started like taking the pills or whatever that

778
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: you were telling me about. He got like medicated and

779
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: then he was like, oh my god, I'm better.

780
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: I really thought it was twenty one because I'm seeing

781
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: his injury log right here, it says twenty one missed illness.

782
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: That's illness maybe, well maybe that's what it was discovered. Yeah,

783
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 2: and this that's not like something that's like necessarily death

784
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 2: sendens at all. Like Tom Glavin pitch most of his

785
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame career also with Raynaud syndrome. But it

786
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: really yeah, yeah, definitely, but it does affects like the

787
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: way you can feel pressure in your fingers. So as

788
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: a picture, not being able to feel pressure in your fingers,

789
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: to me feels really difficult because seems like that's a

790
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: lot of what you're doing a lot, especially wood. If

791
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: a guy that throws a sinker, like that's a picture

792
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: where you kind of need to apply pressure with your

793
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 2: fingers a certain degree. And I also fear sometimes that

794
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 2: you okay, oh it was just coughing, Okay, good job.

795
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

796
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,479
Speaker 2: It makes me think that, like because we always hear

797
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 2: the way the pictures get their injuries.

798
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: We talked.

799
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: We heard about guys splithers who are saying, like the

800
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 2: way they hold the splither effects their elbow, or the

801
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: way they're gripping the ball hurt themselves, the way they're

802
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 2: squeezing it too hard. I fear that this like massive

803
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: shoulder injury. It is the anterior. It's the anterior capsule

804
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: on the back that's what ruptured. So that's a pretty

805
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: serious or no, I.

806
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: Don't think so, Okay, I mean that's good at least.

807
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, but it makes me scared that someone

808
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: who has access to him has seen a picture of

809
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: the cy Young level for his entire career is like,

810
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 2: we can't. It's not it's not where I spending like

811
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: fifteen mil this season to see if we can get

812
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: them back.

813
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if there if there was anybody to

814
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: have that kind of knowledge of what Brandon Woodruff could

815
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: be or what this injury looks like, it's going to

816
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: be the guy who used to be his general manager.

817
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: So no, for sure, I'm just I'm giving some devil's

818
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: advocate because like just reading with the writing on the walls,

819
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know, he probably could come back

820
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: and be a very good picture. Like I'm not a

821
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,719
Speaker 2: medical expert at all, but just like it's it's crazy

822
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:14,959
Speaker 2: that they just let him go like that.

823
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: I mean it is they're saving money, Like this is

824
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: a call saving thing for the Birds as well. He

825
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: was not going to play this year, and it seems

826
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: like no one was offering them any trades worthwhile, so

827
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: they were just like, all right, let's just save whatever

828
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: that six to ten million dollars or whatever it would

829
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: probably be for Brandon Woodruff and just move on and

830
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: use that to help our team this year. You know,

831
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: it's true.

832
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: And I also wonder where his free agency market goes

833
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: just knowing this because like he is as high profile

834
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 2: as a picture like upside wise that we've seen. Yeah,

835
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: of course can be two years. Yeah, two years, that's

836
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: what I mean, of course. But it's like where who

837
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 2: makes that deal? Because like we've seen deals like this

838
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 2: happened across the league. The Mess did last year with

839
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: John Curtis, the Dodgers did a few years ago Jimmy Nelson,

840
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: and they did it with Blake Tranon as well, But

841
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: those guys were all relief pictures, like I can't recall.

842
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: I mean there was who did this was starting? Oh,

843
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: the Red Sox did this.

844
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 2: With James Paxton and it worked to a varying degree,

845
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: but then he also stopped being effective when he came

846
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: back after a few months.

847
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: I really just don't know.

848
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: And he was so good last year but also dealt

849
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: with injuries, including a shoulder injury that he missed almost

850
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: the entire year with came back and then it popped

851
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 2: at the end.

852
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think a lot of different ways.

853
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: I don't think it's as cut and dry as a

854
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: lot of people want it to be, where it's like

855
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: rehabs for a year, comes back ace again, like, I

856
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: think it's more like rehabs for a year, comes back,

857
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: let's see what we have.

858
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we'll take it by ear and if

859
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: he comes to the Mets, we'll talk about a little

860
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: bit more. A couple of things going on in the

861
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: division as well. Aaron Nola, one of the top free

862
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: agent pitchers, took a little bit of a price cut

863
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: to go back to Philadelphia, which I mean, good for him. Whatever,

864
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: that's fine. Aaron Nola. Obviously, I think we're a little

865
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: bit higher on Aaron Nola than it seems like a

866
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: lot of the baseball world, which I find fascinating because

867
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: he's a really good pitcher. So I don't know what

868
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: everybody else was watching. I know he had some struggles

869
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: this year with the pitchclock, especially earlier on in the season,

870
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: but he he still I mean, did you see how

871
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: he pitched in the postseason. He was cash money. He

872
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: was pretty disgusting.

873
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: No, he's truthfully one of the most like trustworthy independental

874
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,719
Speaker 2: pitchers in all baseball. He just turned thirty this season.

875
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: He has a chance, I read an article after the signing,

876
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: to be one of the longest tenured Phillies. He plays

877
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: out like in the history of the franchise, he plays

878
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: out the extend. Yeah, I'll have I think Steve Carlton

879
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 2: was fifteen years and Nole's already spent one.

880
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight nine.

881
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: It'll be sixteen years if he throws all seven with

882
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 2: the Phillies, So sixteen years. I like the fact that

883
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: someone could be an all time, like an all time

884
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: player for their franchise. I don't like it the guy

885
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 2: that we have to pitch every single year in our division,

886
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 2: but exceptually it's a cool thing in baseball.

887
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: We don't see in sports that much anymore.

888
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 2: And I think he pitched so much better last year

889
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 2: than his four four six era will indicate, and I

890
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: think that a lot of that is going to be fine.

891
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: Like and at the end of the day, the Phillies did.

892
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: And we talked about this a lot, especially a couple

893
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:49,959
Speaker 2: episodes ago when we were going through all the free

894
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: agent pitchers, where you kind of have to decide, do

895
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: I want to like take the moon shot for the upside?

896
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: Do I want to like get some innings.

897
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Phillies right now, based on their team context, they like,

898
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: we want to get some innings. We want to make

899
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: sure we can get to the dance, because affilies have

900
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: kind of had this equation in the last few years where

901
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: it's like, get us to the postseason, get us in

902
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: the tournament, and we know we have we know we

903
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 2: have the dogs to run there.

904
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: So like, that doesn't the phrase the dogs to run? Yeah,

905
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: what was that? That's not the phrase at all, But

906
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 1: they don't.

907
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: Once they're getting the tournament, they have as good shot

908
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 2: as that needs to actually get through there. And they

909
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,479
Speaker 2: do that with a lot of innings from they're pitching,

910
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 2: a lot of power from their bats, and a lot

911
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 2: of vlossity from their relievers.

912
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: It's that's it.

913
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 2: They just put it together and they hope they get there.

914
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 2: So Nola is again probably more of a guy that

915
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 2: gets you to the playoffs rather than wins you a

916
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 2: World Series. But he's not a guy that will hurt

917
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 2: your player rotation. Just probably don't want him pitching Game one,

918
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: which in this team he doesn't, So it's a great

919
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: deal he doesn't.

920
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, although maybe this also complicates Zach Wheeler's a free

921
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: agency next year, but worry about that in the twenty

922
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: twenty five offseason, which I don't like saying that number.

923
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 2: No, not at all, And I think I think there's

924
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 2: also like a good brief time to talk about the

925
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: fact that if a players with a team for a

926
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: long time and they have massive differences in their contract

927
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: negotiations they're trying to renegotiate during like the season or

928
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: two before they become a free agent, it doesn't necessarily

929
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 2: mean they're ready to leave immediately when free agency happens.

930
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: A lot of what happens in negotiation is posturing, and

931
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: like last offseason, Nola basically rejected a deal that was

932
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 2: almost exactly the same as this one, yep, and then

933
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: came back and then took it when he didn't play

934
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: as well and the market didn't dictate he gets significantly

935
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: more than that, and he wanted poor family where he's

936
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: been his whole career.

937
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: Apparently, though I think it was Rosenthaler passing one of

938
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 1: them put out of things, saying that Nola had better

939
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 1: offers from other teams he wanted to come back to Philly,

940
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: And that's that's something I also keep in mind with.

941
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: You know, with anything else going on, especially in any

942
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 2: mess players possibly doing the same thing right now. But

943
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: I think they said he had better offers but they

944
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 2: were marginally better. Like it wasn't like anyone blew him

945
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 2: out of the water where it was like a few

946
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: million more here, and he got the seventh year from

947
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 2: the Phillies. But I think it was the biggest thing

948
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: he wanted anyway.

949
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: So again it just.

950
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 2: Goes to show you that sometimes when your players on

951
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 2: your own team are in these intense renegotiations and he's

952
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: been there a long time, it doesn't necessarily mean they're

953
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 2: really ready to leave.

954
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: No, And a lot of it is done by the agents.

955
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: A lot of it's done by the agency trying to

956
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: get the most money possible. Never never will slight anybody

957
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: for trying to get their bag out the agents. Shout

958
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: out the agents. They always just anankless job.

959
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 2: A lot of them are not the coolest people ever seen,

960
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 2: but they do good They did, they did good work objectively.

961
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: There's one particular agent I will not shout out, and

962
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: I think you know who it is, and I think

963
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: everybody in the Mets world knows who knows who it is.

964
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: I will not shout them out. They're excluded from the

965
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: shout out.

966
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 2: Yes, that that agent is very EXCLUDI from the shout out,

967
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 2: But with Digress. One more thing happening division before we

968
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 2: do some little Thanksgiving talk about to give away and

969
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 2: wrap it up, Pil. The Braves made some big moves

970
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 2: this week. By big moves, I mean they got two

971
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: former White Sox relievers, which is not something that's usually said,

972
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 2: but it did a lot.

973
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: I am going to take the side of the hater

974
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: here because why not. I don't, Okay, I understand why

975
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: they made the Aaron Bumber trade, Like they got rid

976
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: of five guys or six guys that essentially we're gonna

977
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: get cut from their roster that weren't going to be there.

978
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: Describe it more for the people who may not be

979
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: aware of what happened. Yeah, so the Braves, but right

980
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: before the non tender deadline, like like eleven o'clock at night,

981
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: we were hanging out right that night, were football, Oh,

982
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: Thursday night football, that's right. So the Braves made a

983
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: trade with the White Sox, which normally you would go, wow,

984
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: what did the White Sox give up for nothing from

985
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: the Braves, But I actually really like this move from

986
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: the White Sox perspective and don't really care for it

987
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: from the Braves. The Braves got Aaron Bummer, left handed

988
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: reliever who I'll let James talk about a little bit

989
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: more here in a second. But they gave up Briley Gowans,

990
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 1: who's a prospect, Nicki Lopez, middle and field utility player

991
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: Branden Schumak, who's a borderline major leaguer, Jared Schuster for

992
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: former first round picking. The big one to me is

993
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: Mike Soroka, who was a top five soy young guy

994
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. Now I know he's not

995
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: the same pitcher, sad some injuries, hasn't looked great. But

996
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: to me, the Braves gave up four major league players

997
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: for Aaron Bummer, who's a left handed reliever who I

998
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: know the underlying stats have some really there's some really

999
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: good stuff there underlying, like his era is non indicative

1000
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: of how well he actually pitched. His FIP is three

1001
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: points lower than what his ERA is. But just from

1002
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: hearing me and you talk about relievers a lot the

1003
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: last few years, like they're so volatile, it seems like

1004
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: it's not as much of a slam dunk as Brave

1005
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: Sins are making it out. To me, feels a little

1006
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: bit more like and I'm going to draw some comparisons

1007
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: here because I caught a lot of flak for it

1008
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: feels like Gregor Risoto all over again, Like I don't

1009
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: really care. It's a left handed reliever who walks a

1010
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: lot of guys. Congrats.

1011
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that again, it was a move that

1012
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 2: worked out really well for both sides because the White

1013
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 2: Sox were just like, we need we need bodies, like

1014
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 2: we want to fill this forty man roster at and

1015
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: we think you guys can give us some major leaguers.

1016
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 2: And I do think that. I don't think Mike Soroka

1017
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: is really any good anymore. I just think those like

1018
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: injuries really zapped him. That's a shame because he was such

1019
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 2: a bright young player. And I think Nicky Lopez is

1020
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 2: like at best rotational infielder who can like keep your

1021
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: train moving, not straight, good glove, good glove, the great

1022
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: glove of course, a lot of different positions. And he's

1023
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: a Chicago kid. I think he I'm pretty sure X

1024
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: anim almost positive that, so that's a cool story for him.

1025
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 2: And Jared Schuster is a high draft pick that never

1026
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 2: panned out and also doesn't really have great stuff. So

1027
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 2: it's really like, again from the brace perspective, feels like,

1028
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 2: and Brandon.

1029
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: Shoemaker was the other guy, the minor league short stop. Correct, Yes, yeah,

1030
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: Brandon Shoemake he was. I'm gonna look it up real

1031
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: quick here.

1032
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 2: I've heard I've heard good reviews of his glove, but

1033
00:38:58,880 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 2: not very much of his bat.

1034
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's pretty fair.

1035
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that at that point, if you're

1036
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: the Braves, you kind of look at your roster and

1037
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 2: you're like, why didn't we win last year? Big reason

1038
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 2: why is because all of our star players decided to

1039
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 2: turtler when when the bright lights are on. But the

1040
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 2: second reason is probably their bullpen wasn't really good enough

1041
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 2: in a high leverage situation and everyone's lauging the Brais

1042
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: bullpen right now where it's a lot more depth over

1043
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 2: high end talent. So I think they just had to

1044
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: take a moonshot and a guy like Bummer who like

1045
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: last two years weren't very good. We know the White

1046
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 2: Sox don't use computers, Excel or any kind of high

1047
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 2: high tech information in the system, so he's that's something.

1048
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,959
Speaker 2: Do you say that maybe they will now, Chris gets

1049
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 2: is a kind of move that may maybe Sharper GM

1050
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 2: would make kind of but He is someone who twice

1051
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 2: in the last five years has been one of the

1052
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 2: best relievers in baseball.

1053
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: He's a lefty who throws hard. He strikes out.

1054
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: He could strike out a lot of people when he's

1055
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: at his best. Actually doesn't throw that hard. It's like

1056
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 2: only ninety five. But yeah, that's still kind of hard

1057
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: for lefty.

1058
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: But sink. Yeah, the sweepers electric. The sinker's really good.

1059
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: He's gonna give up a lot of ground balls, and they,

1060
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, another high leverage lefty like that is

1061
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: something that every team can use when you think, when

1062
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 2: you think in your head you're giving up nothing, that

1063
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 2: I will take him for nothing for sure.

1064
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they relatively did give up nothing. I

1065
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: just thought it was more of a like, this is

1066
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: a trade. I go at the end, they're like, who cares.

1067
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: I don't care about either of them. And it's just

1068
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: fun to say that the White Sox fleece them. Yeah.

1069
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 2: And the other fun thing about this not actually a

1070
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: fun thing. Actually, the awful thing is that now in

1071
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: the Braves, like the stupid Atlanta Braves, we just got

1072
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 2: this amazing player press releases that they started citing like

1073
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 2: legit stackcast stats in it, Ooh, we don't like that.

1074
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: They talked about Aaron Bummer's like barrel rate aloud. They

1075
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 2: talked about is ground ball rate. I was like, damn,

1076
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 2: I don't like that because those are the two things

1077
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 2: that he does the best. You'll never barrow the ball

1078
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 2: against Aaron Bummer, and he gives up like some of

1079
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 2: the most ground balls in the league over sixty percent,

1080
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 2: going for years and years now. When he was at

1081
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 2: his best, over seventy percent, which is like completely unheard of. Yeah,

1082
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty one when he was really good seventy

1083
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: seven percent round ball rate, which is insane nine percent

1084
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 2: of fly ball rate.

1085
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: You know who else was good in twenty twenty one,

1086
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: Aaron Loop?

1087
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 2: You know, sure, Yeah, But I think I think I

1088
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: think Bummer's skills are a little more repeable and the

1089
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: fact that he stricken out a lot more guys and

1090
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 2: throwing ninety five. But I don't know, hopefully we'll hit him.

1091
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 2: I think he's good. I don't think he's amazing. Could

1092
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: be amazing.

1093
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: He could also be like slightly blow average.

1094
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: He's like he's a reliever where it's like his range

1095
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 2: of outcomes something you probably want your team.

1096
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. I could see it. I could see that.

1097
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: And then they made another move for another White Sox,

1098
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: for former White Sox player and Ronaldo Lopez, who I

1099
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: saw that the classic Braves fashion nobody knew. Press release

1100
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 1: was how you found out three years three year contract

1101
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: to Ronaldo Lopez, And I was like, Oh, wow, that's

1102
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: like an interesting high leverage arm that they're gonna put

1103
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: in their bullpen. And then they talk about they're going

1104
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: to stretch them out during the spring and try and

1105
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 1: make them a starter again, to which I go, did

1106
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: you not learn from watching him attempt to be a

1107
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: start of the first time? He was horrendous, he had nothing.

1108
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 2: I think that, yes, but it's also like again, like

1109
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 2: I trust the Brace to do something like that more

1110
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: than the White Sox, even though the Braves still haven't

1111
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 2: gotten a ton out of that. They're pitching in the last

1112
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 2: few years, like their good pitchers have been Max Freed,

1113
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: who was really high draft pick who got together, Spencer

1114
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: Streyither who did seemingly the way he talks about almost

1115
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 2: everything on his own he takes a hit, and Charlie Morton,

1116
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 2: who's one hundred years old and has been good for

1117
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 2: the last seven years and everything else kind of like

1118
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 2: high draft picks that they were not able to convert

1119
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 2: to real pictures. And Lopez is also weird to me

1120
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 2: because he basically got his career back on track last

1121
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: year by fully committing to being a reliever because his

1122
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 2: fastball had fine velocity and like okay shape in the rotation,

1123
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 2: and then he went to the bullpen, it was okay

1124
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: shape with amazing velocity, like he was throwing pitches one

1125
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 2: hundred miles an hour, like that was the thing that

1126
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: made him so good. So I feel like if he's

1127
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: not able to hold that, it's it'll make him worse.

1128
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: Like maybe they's just they want to cut the middle,

1129
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 2: make him like a fifty forty pitch guy, but no

1130
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 2: one ever does that as much as like keep saying

1131
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 2: team should probably try that with some.

1132
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: Of these guys like that.

1133
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: But I don't know, Like maybe they think they're gonna

1134
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 2: catch like Seth lugual lightning in a bottle, but I

1135
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: think that they're probably much better. I think, I don't know,

1136
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: maybe they're just trying to hedge them their own cells

1137
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 2: and starting pitcher market, Like we give an agent less

1138
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: leverage by saying that loud, you know, like tell Ken Rosenwald,

1139
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: Jeff passing that so you can get like nine million

1140
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: dollars off Sunny Gray's contract, Like that's probably what that is. Like,

1141
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 2: that's just me Galaxy brading the Braves. But I think

1142
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: it'd be foolish if you try to put him back

1143
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: in the rotation. I think he'll end. I think he'd

1144
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 2: be a really good high leverage reliever, possibly the best

1145
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: on their roster. That's my hot take there. I think

1146
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: he definitely better than rystell Iglesias.

1147
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that. I mean, throw a hundred.

1148
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: Do you have the opportunity to be fantastic no matter

1149
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: what you do. I'll tell you this, I really hope

1150
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: to see, right Ronaldo Lopez start a couple games against

1151
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: the Mets. Yeah, I'm gonna throw that out into the

1152
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: world with und ether right now, the Lopez is starting

1153
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: games against the Mets this year. We're in a good spot, no,

1154
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: so I get I think it'd be weird if they

1155
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: did that, But I also think it was the White Sox,

1156
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,919
Speaker 1: so yeah, anything can happened. Yeah, definitely. All right, let's

1157
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: wrap this episode up here by getting a little thankful

1158
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving week. Hopefully everybody gets home safe, has a good Thanksgiving.

1159
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: Remember to be careful deep frying your turkeys. If you're

1160
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: doing it, very very careful, keep it away from the house.

1161
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: Do it in a big open space. Uh crazy, how

1162
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: dangerous deep frying his turkey is. I'll tell you this.

1163
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: Shout out Dan civicis. His videos every year of him

1164
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: deep frying his turkey give me life. I watch it

1165
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 1: from start to finish.

1166
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 2: Their electric There's probably like a handful of people that

1167
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: we went to high school with a listening to this podcast.

1168
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: I definitely know a few of them, and they only

1169
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 2: them specifically, are gonna laugh out loud at what you

1170
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:51,479
Speaker 2: just said.

1171
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: That's fine. I'm doing it for a couple of laughs.

1172
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: I'm doing it for a couple And I hope Dan

1173
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: gets this message because I want him to know.

1174
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 2: I live for that video every single year, Live too

1175
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: on Facebook five Live eleven in the morning on Thanksgiving.

1176
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: There's nothing better.

1177
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 2: But as you guys know, if you so listening, we

1178
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: ran a little giveaway this week. We're gonna be giving

1179
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 2: out a DJ Stewart signed ball to commemorate both Thanksgiving

1180
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: and the fact that that thankfully's back in the team,

1181
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 2: the fact he is back in the team. And we

1182
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 2: asked you guys to share some of your Mets memories,

1183
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: mess men, moments you're most thankful of, and.

1184
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: We have a few here. Mark, I was wondering where

1185
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: you want to start. Yeah, I'll start off with Richard.

1186
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: We'll end it with the person who's gonna end up

1187
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: winning the giveaway. We have selected the winner as well,

1188
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: but we'll start off with Richard Hernandez, who said a

1189
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: random moment in time when the Mets were not in

1190
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: a good spot, Jose Bautista walk off Grand Slam against

1191
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: the Rays, electric moment when all was kind of bland

1192
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: and Mets landed. Yeah, the Jose Bautista era of the

1193
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: New York Mets is one of the most peculiar ones.

1194
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you look back at that twenty eighteen season

1195
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 1: and look at some of the guys around this team.

1196
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 1: Adrian Gonzalez was on this team, Jose Bautista, Jay Bruce,

1197
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: Austin Jackson. I think Jose Ray has got some time

1198
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: during that season as well. Yeah, got a little bit

1199
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: more than time. He played one hundred and ten game games.

1200
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: Ty Kelly was still running around City Field. This was Uh,

1201
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: this was an interesting team to say the least.

1202
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: That also is funny because Reyes and Batista are both

1203
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 2: on the Hall of Fame belt right now and that

1204
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: was that was both their last ross and major league bits.

1205
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: But with that, with that roster there, there were also

1206
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: we had so many responses here about just like people

1207
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 2: being games with their dads, like went to this game

1208
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: that game, and then a lot of Johann talk and

1209
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: then another one from our buddy Javier I want to

1210
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,479
Speaker 2: read out right now. It was, uh, David the David

1211
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 2: Right World Series home run. Talking about dad right a

1212
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 2: little bit of this episode. He said, God be the

1213
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: moment that made every Mets fan believe again a well

1214
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: deserved David Right World Series home which I know that

1215
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: World Series didn't go well for the Mets in total,

1216
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 2: and that sits with me every single day, especially this

1217
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 2: time of the year. But just the fact that he

1218
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 2: was able to be on that roster and hit a

1219
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 2: huge home run in City in City Field during the

1220
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 2: during a World Series game, and.

1221
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: I believe the one game the Mets actually won the

1222
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: World Series. Yes, that that was that.

1223
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 2: Was a cool moment. That's the moment I look on

1224
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 2: really fondly for Mets fans. I I think I've told

1225
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 2: the story a few times this I'll say briefly again

1226
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: that when he hit the home run, it was on

1227
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 2: the Halloween.

1228
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 1: Party in college.

1229
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 2: My buddy Ryan, some other friends and I just went

1230
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: completely feral. I had a flight home next morning surprise

1231
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 2: my mom for a birthday. It was a ten am flight.

1232
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 2: I missed it so badly. Like the guy who ran

1233
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 2: one of the best bars in Ohio State's campus, like

1234
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 2: as the time, when you're it's a bad bar, but

1235
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 2: when you're that age is a good bar.

1236
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: He was a huge mess fan. He saw me and

1237
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: my buddy wearing Mess tras.

1238
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 2: He's like, you, guys, anything you want, anything you want

1239
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 2: right now, just tell me anything you want. And yeah,

1240
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 2: I missed the plane. It was one of the two

1241
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 2: planes in my life I've ever missed. And you know what,

1242
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: that doesn't matter.

1243
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like you said a lot about Johann, a lot

1244
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: about you know, families and go to the games with

1245
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: their kid or their dad, which definitely I think we

1246
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: both can relate to on the dad's side of going

1247
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: to games with our dad. Some of our best memories.

1248
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: If you guys want to see a funny picture of Veto.

1249
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: He posted one from June first, twenty twelve. You guys

1250
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: know the date well, so if you want to see

1251
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: Veto about ten years ago, you can get a picture there.

1252
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: One of my favorite ones too, I liked from where did.

1253
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: I just had it from Shane Kreigstein saying the day

1254
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: we learned to the Lindor trade. A little bit more recent,

1255
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: a little bit more new, But I remember being in

1256
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: the apartment in Astoria and running around making a TikTok,

1257
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: being like, we got Francisco Lindor. Oh my god. We've

1258
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: been joking about it forever, Like, man, how great would

1259
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: it be? A Francisco Lindor could be the shortstop of

1260
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: this team, Like we need a shortstop. The Guardians don't

1261
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: want him, we could make the trade happen. We got him.

1262
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: Was super super pumped and still am super excited that

1263
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: he's on this team. Yeah, he is our superstar and

1264
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: now the winner. This was this.

1265
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: We got some style points for this. One shall servester Tweetycat.

1266
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 2: As Tweetycat, he put up a picture of himself as

1267
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 2: a child after the game five the nineteen sixty nine

1268
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 2: World Series, saying, I'm thankful for this Mets moment taken

1269
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: after Game five ninety sixty nine World Series, which I

1270
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 2: was lucky enough to attend. And he's just decked out

1271
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: in a sweet orange jacket, a cool New York Mets

1272
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: white T shirt with a black undershirt. He's posing up

1273
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: real nice. He's got an old school blue Mets head on.

1274
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 2: He's staring in through the back chain link fence a

1275
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 2: many of us remember so well at Shae Stadium, just

1276
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: looking back into the stadium after a Mets World Series.

1277
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: I think that was I think that was the win.

1278
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: Wasn't the clincher? I think they won that game absolutely

1279
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: crushing in that picture, Sylvester. That's that's also awesome that

1280
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: he like still has that like readily available. He's like,

1281
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: this is probably, I mean, it's one of his favorite

1282
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: Mets moments. Of course he has on his already. That

1283
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: was very That was very literally the clincher. That was

1284
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: very good in the game. Metsag just won the World

1285
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: Series and that was him just stunning on us. And

1286
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: I think it's also cool the.

1287
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 2: Fact that we talked about this a lot, like whenever

1288
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Speaker 2: it comes up, but he said this was after Game five,

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Speaker 2: nineteen sixty nine World Series.

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Speaker 1: It is light outside, it is bright and needs a child.

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Speaker 1: He missed school for this game. I'm assuming. Let me

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Speaker 1: check what day of the week this World Series game

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Speaker 1: was on. But I mean he looks quite young. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. He looks like he's like maybe five or

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Speaker 1: six years old at this time, so could be debatable

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Speaker 1: whether he's probably in kindergarten then kindergarten first grader. We

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Speaker 1: can get October's sixty nine. What day the week was this?

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Speaker 1: This is such great podcasting here right before we get

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Speaker 1: we get out of here. I mean the pictures killer again,

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Speaker 1: will send it to Veto so he can put it

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Speaker 1: on screen for you guys watching at home on YouTube

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Speaker 1: so you can get a visual, but just a killer look.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, he has his glove with him too.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you notice that he's ready to

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Speaker 1: catch a ball. Yeah, to catch it. That's cool.

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Speaker 2: Nice, Sorry, so, sy Vester, great moment you're thankful for,

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Speaker 2: of course, a Mets World Series victory. There were a

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Speaker 2: lot of those Game six, nineteen eighty six as well. Thanks,

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Speaker 2: We're thankful for We hope to be thankful for that again. Soon,

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Speaker 2: but as far as this episode goes, I think I

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Speaker 2: think we're good here.

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Speaker 1: Mark Yep. Sylvester will reach out to you on Twitter

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Speaker 1: to get your information to send you that DJ Stewart

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Speaker 1: Baul appreciate all of you guys at home, wherever you are,

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Speaker 1: at work, in the car listening to us, supporting the

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Speaker 1: podcast that you have for the three years that we've

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Speaker 1: now been doing this. Hope to continue to do it

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Speaker 1: more and more for you guys. Make sure you're following

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Speaker 1: us on all social media at METS up on Twitter, Instagram,

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Speaker 1: and TikTok. Subscribe to the New York Mets YouTube channel

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Speaker 1: so you can see the video version of this and

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Speaker 1: you can see that awesome picture of Sylvester rocking that

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Speaker 1: Mets you know, outfit at the World series. If you're

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Speaker 1: listening to us Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Odyssey, drop

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Speaker 1: us a rating, drop us a review, download and subscribe,

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Speaker 1: We really do appreciate you. We'll read out reviews on

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Speaker 1: the next episode, so if you want to shout out,

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Speaker 1: go drop us a review. That way you'll be able

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Speaker 1: to get shout out on that one. Follow James on

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Speaker 1: Twitter at James Underscore Chiano and me at draffneck Mark

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Speaker 1: with a C. Thank you guys for listening. Thank you

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Speaker 1: Fort and we'll talk to you next week on the

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Speaker 1: next episode of the Mess Up Podcast, peace Out, Beat

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Speaker 1: us Up, See you guys next time. Happy Thanksgiving,