Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Monday, April thirteenth, and a papal
Speaker 1: clapback with that, Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes.
Speaker 1: This was the kindest, gentlest clapback you're ever going to hear.
Speaker 1: But I don't need the idea of Trump versus Leo.
Speaker 1: Sounds ridiculous, but that's kind of what we got going on, Robes.
Speaker 1: But we just heard from Pop Leo and he is
Speaker 1: bringing the temperature down.
Speaker 2: Yes, but I do actually appreciate the fact that he
Speaker 2: isn't shying away from his earlier comments about promoting peace,
Speaker 2: about asking people to call their elected officials to urge
Speaker 2: their leaders for calm, for no more bombs. He's not
Speaker 2: backing down from anything he said. And if anything, a
Speaker 2: little bit of his Chicago side came into it, I
Speaker 2: think a little because he couldn't help himself. He had
Speaker 2: it a little jab at the end, but it was
Speaker 2: in the most tasteful, respectful way a pope could possibly
Speaker 2: poke a president back.
Speaker 1: Okay, this all started because the President took the pope
Speaker 1: to task in a way that really shocked a lot
Speaker 1: of people. And at this moment, as we're recording this,
Speaker 1: here the top trending topics on x are Pope, Catholic, Vatican, blasphemy, Antichrist, gospel.
Speaker 1: Those are all in your top ten. Wow, this is
Speaker 1: being talked about roled in such a way because it's
Speaker 1: one thing we were used to the president actually saying
Speaker 1: calling women piggy. We're used to the president calling people
Speaker 1: all kinds of names. There was something robes about the
Speaker 1: idea of him going after the Pope that I think,
Speaker 1: isn't it fair? Just went a little while You've been saying,
Speaker 1: why is he even a question of this going over
Speaker 1: the line.
Speaker 3: He didn't just go a little over the line. He
Speaker 3: went a lot over the line.
Speaker 2: He called Pope Leo week, He called him terrible. He
Speaker 2: said that Leo should be grateful to him, claiming that
Speaker 2: he is the reason why Pope Leo was elected pope.
Speaker 2: And it was it was brazen, it was disrespectful, and
Speaker 2: some could even say slightly delusional.
Speaker 1: Ah, and we didn't even mention the picture.
Speaker 2: I didn't even mention the picture which could be considered,
Speaker 2: as you point out, one of the trends on social media, blasphemous.
Speaker 1: He depicted himself as a if not like if not
Speaker 1: Jesus at least a Jesus type character healing the sick,
Speaker 1: a saint.
Speaker 3: At least, at the very least, But mostly.
Speaker 2: It looked a lot like Jesus Christ with Trump's face,
Speaker 2: that would be the best way I could describe it.
Speaker 2: But he had light emanating from his hands, healing someone
Speaker 2: like having supernatural powers.
Speaker 3: That's what it.
Speaker 1: Looked like, Okay, And that's how the President went after
Speaker 1: the Pope. Yes, the Pope has been you could argue
Speaker 1: robe some would say, not critical of the president, but
Speaker 1: critical of war, critical of anybody who is promoting death,
Speaker 1: critical of anybody who would suggest that we want to
Speaker 1: wipe a civilization out. The Pope is saying he is
Speaker 1: a messenger and he is using the Gospel, what he
Speaker 1: believes in, what he knows, to speak out against what
Speaker 1: he sees in the world. I think that's what all
Speaker 1: popes have said they've done, but this president has taken
Speaker 1: issue with it. But the Pope was on a plane
Speaker 1: we just got earlier today some responses that were kind
Speaker 1: of trickling out. The Pope had been on a plane
Speaker 1: heading to Algeria, where he is now, and he had
Speaker 1: made some comments. Those comments started trickling out, and now
Speaker 1: we've actually gotten the video and we hear the audio
Speaker 1: that we're going to let you hear in a moment.
Speaker 1: But robes generally speaking the response that he made. Obviously,
Speaker 1: he wasn't attacking Trump directly. He wasn't saying Trump needs
Speaker 1: to do He's nothing like that has ever come out
Speaker 1: of his mind.
Speaker 2: No. In fact, I think the best way to describe it,
Speaker 2: he's not come after or even named President Trump specifically,
Speaker 2: but he has come after the Trump administration policy. And
Speaker 2: so whether it's immigration and ice or now, yes, multiple wars.
Speaker 2: It's not necessarily a war that we went into Venezuela,
Speaker 2: but certainly we went in and took a world leader
Speaker 2: and imprisoned him here in our own country. So I
Speaker 2: don't know how you want to describe that, but we
Speaker 2: went in and disrupted a country because we didn't like
Speaker 2: what he was doing. And now we've gone in and
Speaker 2: bombed the heck out of another country because we don't
Speaker 2: like what they're doing.
Speaker 1: And again, when we say the critical of the administration,
Speaker 1: it's all through gospel, right. He is seeing and he's
Speaker 1: not a guy who's taking a left or a right
Speaker 1: on anything. He's like, I got this in my hand,
Speaker 1: this Bible, this Gospel and what it tells me that
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing in the world, no matter if you're
Speaker 1: left or right, what I'm seeing in the world, and
Speaker 1: he speaks out on that is what I think.
Speaker 3: Popes do call for peace.
Speaker 1: That is what Pope's So after all this this morning,
Speaker 1: we weren't able to get this ahead of time. Again,
Speaker 1: this happened just a short time ago. To the actual
Speaker 1: video and the audio is coming out. But this is
Speaker 1: the Pope's response. Again. He's on the plane. You'll hear
Speaker 1: a little noise in the background, but he's surrounded by
Speaker 1: reporters doing a little gaggle, and of course they asked
Speaker 1: the Pope, Pope Leo about Trump's comments and criticism. This
Speaker 1: is what he said. He goes about a minute and
Speaker 1: a half. So we'll take a listen to the Pope.
Speaker 4: My message, the message of the Gospel blessed other peacemakers.
Speaker 4: I do not look at my role as being political politician.
Speaker 4: I don't want to get into it to make with him.
Speaker 4: I don't think that the message of the Gospel is
Speaker 4: meant to be abused in the way that some people
Speaker 4: are doing.
Speaker 1: And I will continue to speak out.
Speaker 4: About listens against war, looking to promote peace, promoting dialogue
Speaker 4: and multilateral relationships among the states, to look for just
Speaker 4: solutions the problems. Too many people are suffering in the
Speaker 4: world today. Too many innocent people are refilled, and I
Speaker 4: think someone has to stand up and say there's a
Speaker 4: better way to put this. I have no figure either
Speaker 4: the drunk administration nor speaking out loudly about the message
Speaker 4: in the gospels. And that's what I believe. I am
Speaker 4: called to do what the church is called to do.
Speaker 4: If we're not politicians, we're not looking to make foreign policies.
Speaker 4: He calls it with the same perspective that he might
Speaker 4: understand it. But I do believe the pro mess of
Speaker 4: the Gospel, Blessed of the Peacemakers is a message of
Speaker 4: the ward needs to hear.
Speaker 1: Tim Blessed are the peacemakers, Robes, Blessed are the peace makers,
Speaker 1: and that's a message the world needs to hear. That's
Speaker 1: how you wrap that up. But Robes, it flies directly
Speaker 1: in the face of what we are seeing. Right, But
Speaker 1: we can't see everything through a religious lens. I understand,
Speaker 1: but his job is to do so.
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean he is there basically as.
Speaker 2: A leader to guide the one point four million or
Speaker 2: sorry million, I was gonna say billion, right, it's billion.
Speaker 1: Why am I.
Speaker 2: Questioning one point four billion Catholics around the world. Sorry, yeah,
Speaker 2: fifty plus million here in the United States alone.
Speaker 3: But he is leading them through the lens of Christ.
Speaker 3: And what is Christ's name? We're taught as we come up,
Speaker 3: at least I was through Catholic school. He is the
Speaker 3: Prince of Peace.
Speaker 2: That is what Jesus Christ's moniker is. And so yes,
Speaker 2: it would not be surprising. And frankly, it's what his
Speaker 2: job is. It's what he was elected to do, to
Speaker 2: promote peace, to promote the word of God, to promote
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ's teachings around the world.
Speaker 1: Suffering of innocent people. I mean, he spoke, and I'm
Speaker 1: not sure. We haven't gotten a response yet from the president,
Speaker 1: and I hope we don't get into some it is.
Speaker 1: You see, this is what political pundits do. This is
Speaker 1: what hell celebrities even do podcasters do, right, They go
Speaker 1: after each other back and forth, and then you see
Speaker 1: the headline so and so on, claps back again, so
Speaker 1: and so on, so on. It's back against and someone's accusations.
Speaker 1: I do not want to see a pope versus president
Speaker 1: every day in the headline.
Speaker 2: I don't either. But Iran, Waydan, which I thought was
Speaker 2: quite interesting. We have a president Mussud Pozsessshikian of Iran.
Speaker 2: He put this out on social media after he saw
Speaker 2: this back and forth. He said, I condemned the insult
Speaker 2: to your excellency on behalf of the great nation of Iran.
Speaker 1: Good Lord, have mercy. Even Iran is taking up for
Speaker 1: the pope correct against the president of the United States. Yes,
Speaker 1: there was some sarcasm in there. Sure, Yes, there's some
Speaker 1: snarkiness in there. Sure, but Robes, there is some symbolism
Speaker 1: in there as well. Uh.
Speaker 2: Yes, And look you've got basically the leader of a
Speaker 2: Muslim nature nation.
Speaker 3: Condemning up for your excellency, Pope Leo.
Speaker 2: And yes, condemned what President Trump said about him. That
Speaker 2: is something I honestly did not think I would ever
Speaker 2: see in my lifetime.
Speaker 1: Defending him again, this is what the President said. If
Speaker 1: you didn't get the details, we'll give you some of
Speaker 1: the verbatim of what's set all those back and forth
Speaker 1: off there. All right, we continue here on Amy and TJ.
Speaker 1: On this Monday, which was it's been an interesting one
Speaker 1: that we got the pope versus the prayers in a
Speaker 1: back and forth that has taking place a lot of
Speaker 1: it on social media. Robes will remind folks it was
Speaker 1: a long post, but this we do need to remind
Speaker 1: you what the President actually said today about the pope
Speaker 1: that set all this off in the first place. You
Speaker 1: have that one in front.
Speaker 3: I do have it, yes, he said.
Speaker 2: Pope Leo is weak on crime and terrible for foreign policy.
Speaker 2: He talks about fear of the Trump administration, but doesn't
Speaker 2: mention the fear that the Catholic Church and all other
Speaker 2: Christian organizations had during COVID when they were arresting priests, ministers,
Speaker 2: and everybody else for holding church services, even when going
Speaker 2: outside and being ten and even twenty feet apart. I
Speaker 2: like his brother Lewis much better than I like him,
Speaker 2: because Lewis is all maga.
Speaker 3: He gets it, and Leo doesn't.
Speaker 2: I don't want to pope who thinks it's okay for
Speaker 2: Iran to have a nuclear weapon. I don't want to
Speaker 2: pope who thinks it's terrible that America attacked Venezuela, a
Speaker 2: country that was sending massive amounts of drugs into the
Speaker 2: United States and even worse, emptying their prisons including murderers,
Speaker 2: drug dealers, and killers into our country. And I don't
Speaker 2: want a pope who criticizes the President of the United States,
Speaker 2: because I'm doing exactly what I was elected in a
Speaker 2: landslide to do, setting record low numbers in crime and
Speaker 2: creating the greatest stock.
Speaker 3: Market in history.
Speaker 2: Leo should be thankful because, as everyone knows, he was
Speaker 2: a shocking surprise. He wasn't on any list to be
Speaker 2: pope and was only put there by the church because
Speaker 2: he was an American and they thought that would be
Speaker 2: best be the best way to deal with President Donald J.
Speaker 3: Trump.
Speaker 2: If I wasn't in the White House, Leo wouldn't be
Speaker 2: in the Vatican. Unfortunately, Leo's week on Crime, week on
Speaker 2: nuclear weapons doesn't sit well with me, nor does the
Speaker 2: fact that he meets with Obama sympathizers like David Axelrod,
Speaker 2: a loser from the left who was one of those
Speaker 2: who wanted churchgoers and clerics to be arrested. Leo should
Speaker 2: get his act together as pope, use common sense, stop
Speaker 2: catering to the radical left, and focus on being a
Speaker 2: Great Pope, not a politician. It's hurting him very badly,
Speaker 2: and more importantly, it is hurting the Catholic Church. Now,
Speaker 2: I do think it's cool, but Leo did get a
Speaker 2: little spicy, and he did ask. He did say when
Speaker 2: was asked specifically about Trump's comments on True Social he said,
Speaker 2: it's ironic the name of the side itself say no more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't find that part of the video, but
Speaker 1: I was looking for it. But yeah, that was as
Speaker 1: and it wasn't even mean. But you don't know if
Speaker 1: it'll set off a back and forth this with oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we didn't mention the reason the president got upset. Apparently
Speaker 1: this message went out not too long after. He was
Speaker 1: watching his favorite.
Speaker 2: Check sixty Minutes on CBS, where Yes Nora O'Donnell, a
Speaker 2: correspondent there, interviewed three archbishops who were.
Speaker 3: Critical of the Trump administration policies.
Speaker 2: And again, I never heard anyone say anything specifically about
Speaker 2: the president.
Speaker 3: Himself, just his policies.
Speaker 2: And that is something that has been accepted and is
Speaker 2: something that we have seen happen since the beginning of time.
Speaker 2: That is usually what politicians do or even perhaps world
Speaker 2: leaders or folks who have mass followings. You if you
Speaker 2: don't like something that's happening, you may criticize the policy,
Speaker 2: but not the person. That's not what Trump does. When
Speaker 2: he's upset with someone's words or an action by anyone
Speaker 2: or a country, he gets personal, and that's what he did.
Speaker 1: This is almost This sounds like a breakup. This sounds
Speaker 1: like somebody who actually got who was emotional over something
Speaker 1: that somebody in their relationship did and just decided to
Speaker 1: say the meanest stuff to make them hurt. You're weak
Speaker 1: and remember that thing you did five years ago during
Speaker 1: COVID that was messed up too. And you know what,
Speaker 1: I like your brother better anyway. So mmm, and you
Speaker 1: know what, you wouldn't be anything without me. I'm the
Speaker 1: only reason you have that job. You need to get
Speaker 1: it together. You just hanging out with all these losers robes.
Speaker 1: It sounds like an emotional breakup. It sounds like somebody
Speaker 1: when we calmed down, you wouldn't say this stuff I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It sounds that low. I'm saying. This doesn't sound like
Speaker 1: the two most powerful men in the world exchanging ideas.
Speaker 1: That sounds like a petty It really is. You know
Speaker 1: you wouldn't even have a job if it wasn't for me.
Speaker 2: When you put it in that tone, it's exactly exactly
Speaker 2: what he said, and that's exactly where it's coming from.
Speaker 2: And look, hy predicted. I didn't think the Pope would
Speaker 2: clap back at all. I'm kind of surprised he did,
Speaker 2: but I appreciate how he did it.
Speaker 1: We should stop saying clapback.
Speaker 3: Even the New York Times saying clap they really are
Speaker 3: and that's how everyone's describing it.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't mean spirited. I know it gives people
Speaker 1: to click on stuff that is, but the guy responded
Speaker 1: the only way, the best way. He answered these questions.
Speaker 1: You knew he was going to get robes, but we
Speaker 1: wanted to give you all the update. We didn't expect
Speaker 1: to see the video we wanted to pass along. We
Speaker 1: saw that the Pope had in fact made these comments
Speaker 1: on camera. More to come on this, We're sure, and
Speaker 1: we will be updating you here. As always, we appreciate
Speaker 1: you spending time on TJ on behalf of my dear
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