WEBVTT - Pope Leo's Unexpected Clapback to President Trump's Attack

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, folks, it is Monday, April thirteenth, and a papal

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<v Speaker 1>clapback with that, Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes.

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<v Speaker 1>This was the kindest, gentlest clapback you're ever going to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't need the idea of Trump versus Leo.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds ridiculous, but that's kind of what we got going on, Robes.

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<v Speaker 1>But we just heard from Pop Leo and he is

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<v Speaker 1>bringing the temperature down.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but I do actually appreciate the fact that he

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<v Speaker 2>isn't shying away from his earlier comments about promoting peace,

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<v Speaker 2>about asking people to call their elected officials to urge

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<v Speaker 2>their leaders for calm, for no more bombs. He's not

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<v Speaker 2>backing down from anything he said. And if anything, a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of his Chicago side came into it, I

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<v Speaker 2>think a little because he couldn't help himself. He had

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<v Speaker 2>it a little jab at the end, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>in the most tasteful, respectful way a pope could possibly

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<v Speaker 2>poke a president back.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, this all started because the President took the pope

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<v Speaker 1>to task in a way that really shocked a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people. And at this moment, as we're recording this,

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<v Speaker 1>here the top trending topics on x are Pope, Catholic, Vatican, blasphemy, Antichrist, gospel.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are all in your top ten. Wow, this is

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<v Speaker 1>being talked about roled in such a way because it's

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<v Speaker 1>one thing we were used to the president actually saying

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<v Speaker 1>calling women piggy. We're used to the president calling people

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of names. There was something robes about the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of him going after the Pope that I think,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it fair? Just went a little while You've been saying,

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<v Speaker 1>why is he even a question of this going over

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<v Speaker 1>the line.

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<v Speaker 3>He didn't just go a little over the line. He

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<v Speaker 3>went a lot over the line.

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<v Speaker 2>He called Pope Leo week, He called him terrible. He

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<v Speaker 2>said that Leo should be grateful to him, claiming that

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<v Speaker 2>he is the reason why Pope Leo was elected pope.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was it was brazen, it was disrespectful, and

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<v Speaker 2>some could even say slightly delusional.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, and we didn't even mention the picture.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even mention the picture which could be considered,

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<v Speaker 2>as you point out, one of the trends on social media, blasphemous.

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<v Speaker 1>He depicted himself as a if not like if not

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus at least a Jesus type character healing the sick,

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<v Speaker 1>a saint.

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<v Speaker 3>At least, at the very least, But mostly.

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<v Speaker 2>It looked a lot like Jesus Christ with Trump's face,

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<v Speaker 2>that would be the best way I could describe it.

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<v Speaker 2>But he had light emanating from his hands, healing someone

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<v Speaker 2>like having supernatural powers.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what it.

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<v Speaker 1>Looked like, Okay, And that's how the President went after

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<v Speaker 1>the Pope. Yes, the Pope has been you could argue

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<v Speaker 1>robe some would say, not critical of the president, but

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<v Speaker 1>critical of war, critical of anybody who is promoting death,

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<v Speaker 1>critical of anybody who would suggest that we want to

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<v Speaker 1>wipe a civilization out. The Pope is saying he is

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<v Speaker 1>a messenger and he is using the Gospel, what he

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<v Speaker 1>believes in, what he knows, to speak out against what

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<v Speaker 1>he sees in the world. I think that's what all

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<v Speaker 1>popes have said they've done, but this president has taken

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<v Speaker 1>issue with it. But the Pope was on a plane

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<v Speaker 1>we just got earlier today some responses that were kind

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<v Speaker 1>of trickling out. The Pope had been on a plane

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<v Speaker 1>heading to Algeria, where he is now, and he had

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<v Speaker 1>made some comments. Those comments started trickling out, and now

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<v Speaker 1>we've actually gotten the video and we hear the audio

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<v Speaker 1>that we're going to let you hear in a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>But robes generally speaking the response that he made. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't attacking Trump directly. He wasn't saying Trump needs

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<v Speaker 1>to do He's nothing like that has ever come out

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<v Speaker 1>of his mind.

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<v Speaker 2>No. In fact, I think the best way to describe it,

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<v Speaker 2>he's not come after or even named President Trump specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>but he has come after the Trump administration policy. And

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<v Speaker 2>so whether it's immigration and ice or now, yes, multiple wars.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not necessarily a war that we went into Venezuela,

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<v Speaker 2>but certainly we went in and took a world leader

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<v Speaker 2>and imprisoned him here in our own country. So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how you want to describe that, but we

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<v Speaker 2>went in and disrupted a country because we didn't like

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<v Speaker 2>what he was doing. And now we've gone in and

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<v Speaker 2>bombed the heck out of another country because we don't

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<v Speaker 2>like what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, when we say the critical of the administration,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all through gospel, right. He is seeing and he's

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<v Speaker 1>not a guy who's taking a left or a right

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<v Speaker 1>on anything. He's like, I got this in my hand,

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<v Speaker 1>this Bible, this Gospel and what it tells me that

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm seeing in the world, no matter if you're

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<v Speaker 1>left or right, what I'm seeing in the world, and

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<v Speaker 1>he speaks out on that is what I think.

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<v Speaker 3>Popes do call for peace.

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<v Speaker 1>That is what Pope's So after all this this morning,

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<v Speaker 1>we weren't able to get this ahead of time. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>this happened just a short time ago. To the actual

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<v Speaker 1>video and the audio is coming out. But this is

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<v Speaker 1>the Pope's response. Again. He's on the plane. You'll hear

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<v Speaker 1>a little noise in the background, but he's surrounded by

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<v Speaker 1>reporters doing a little gaggle, and of course they asked

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<v Speaker 1>the Pope, Pope Leo about Trump's comments and criticism. This

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<v Speaker 1>is what he said. He goes about a minute and

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<v Speaker 1>a half. So we'll take a listen to the Pope.

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<v Speaker 4>My message, the message of the Gospel blessed other peacemakers.

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<v Speaker 4>I do not look at my role as being political politician.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to get into it to make with him.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think that the message of the Gospel is

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<v Speaker 4>meant to be abused in the way that some people

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<v Speaker 4>are doing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I will continue to speak out.

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<v Speaker 4>About listens against war, looking to promote peace, promoting dialogue

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<v Speaker 4>and multilateral relationships among the states, to look for just

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<v Speaker 4>solutions the problems. Too many people are suffering in the

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<v Speaker 4>world today. Too many innocent people are refilled, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think someone has to stand up and say there's a

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<v Speaker 4>better way to put this. I have no figure either

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<v Speaker 4>the drunk administration nor speaking out loudly about the message

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<v Speaker 4>in the gospels. And that's what I believe. I am

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<v Speaker 4>called to do what the church is called to do.

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<v Speaker 4>If we're not politicians, we're not looking to make foreign policies.

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<v Speaker 4>He calls it with the same perspective that he might

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<v Speaker 4>understand it. But I do believe the pro mess of

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<v Speaker 4>the Gospel, Blessed of the Peacemakers is a message of

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<v Speaker 4>the ward needs to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Blessed are the peacemakers, Robes, Blessed are the peace makers,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's a message the world needs to hear. That's

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<v Speaker 1>how you wrap that up. But Robes, it flies directly

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<v Speaker 1>in the face of what we are seeing. Right, But

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<v Speaker 1>we can't see everything through a religious lens. I understand,

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<v Speaker 1>but his job is to do so.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I mean he is there basically as.

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<v Speaker 2>A leader to guide the one point four million or

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<v Speaker 2>sorry million, I was gonna say billion, right, it's billion.

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<v Speaker 1>Why am I.

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<v Speaker 2>Questioning one point four billion Catholics around the world. Sorry, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>fifty plus million here in the United States alone.

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<v Speaker 3>But he is leading them through the lens of Christ.

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<v Speaker 3>And what is Christ's name? We're taught as we come up,

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<v Speaker 3>at least I was through Catholic school. He is the

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<v Speaker 3>Prince of Peace.

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<v Speaker 2>That is what Jesus Christ's moniker is. And so yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it would not be surprising. And frankly, it's what his

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<v Speaker 2>job is. It's what he was elected to do, to

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<v Speaker 2>promote peace, to promote the word of God, to promote

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus Christ's teachings around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Suffering of innocent people. I mean, he spoke, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure. We haven't gotten a response yet from the president,

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<v Speaker 1>and I hope we don't get into some it is.

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<v Speaker 1>You see, this is what political pundits do. This is

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<v Speaker 1>what hell celebrities even do podcasters do, right, They go

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<v Speaker 1>after each other back and forth, and then you see

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<v Speaker 1>the headline so and so on, claps back again, so

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<v Speaker 1>and so on, so on. It's back against and someone's accusations.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not want to see a pope versus president

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<v Speaker 1>every day in the headline.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't either. But Iran, Waydan, which I thought was

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<v Speaker 2>quite interesting. We have a president Mussud Pozsessshikian of Iran.

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<v Speaker 2>He put this out on social media after he saw

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<v Speaker 2>this back and forth. He said, I condemned the insult

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<v Speaker 2>to your excellency on behalf of the great nation of Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>Good Lord, have mercy. Even Iran is taking up for

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<v Speaker 1>the pope correct against the president of the United States. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>there was some sarcasm in there. Sure, Yes, there's some

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<v Speaker 1>snarkiness in there. Sure, but Robes, there is some symbolism

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<v Speaker 1>in there as well. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And look you've got basically the leader of a

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<v Speaker 2>Muslim nature nation.

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<v Speaker 3>Condemning up for your excellency, Pope Leo.

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<v Speaker 2>And yes, condemned what President Trump said about him. That

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<v Speaker 2>is something I honestly did not think I would ever

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<v Speaker 2>see in my lifetime.

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<v Speaker 1>Defending him again, this is what the President said. If

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't get the details, we'll give you some of

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<v Speaker 1>the verbatim of what's set all those back and forth

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<v Speaker 1>off there. All right, we continue here on Amy and TJ.

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<v Speaker 1>On this Monday, which was it's been an interesting one

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<v Speaker 1>that we got the pope versus the prayers in a

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth that has taking place a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>it on social media. Robes will remind folks it was

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<v Speaker 1>a long post, but this we do need to remind

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<v Speaker 1>you what the President actually said today about the pope

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<v Speaker 1>that set all this off in the first place. You

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<v Speaker 1>have that one in front.

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<v Speaker 3>I do have it, yes, he said.

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<v Speaker 2>Pope Leo is weak on crime and terrible for foreign policy.

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<v Speaker 2>He talks about fear of the Trump administration, but doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>mention the fear that the Catholic Church and all other

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<v Speaker 2>Christian organizations had during COVID when they were arresting priests, ministers,

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody else for holding church services, even when going

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<v Speaker 2>outside and being ten and even twenty feet apart. I

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<v Speaker 2>like his brother Lewis much better than I like him,

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<v Speaker 2>because Lewis is all maga.

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<v Speaker 3>He gets it, and Leo doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to pope who thinks it's okay for

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<v Speaker 2>Iran to have a nuclear weapon. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>pope who thinks it's terrible that America attacked Venezuela, a

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<v Speaker 2>country that was sending massive amounts of drugs into the

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<v Speaker 2>United States and even worse, emptying their prisons including murderers,

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<v Speaker 2>drug dealers, and killers into our country. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want a pope who criticizes the President of the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm doing exactly what I was elected in a

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<v Speaker 2>landslide to do, setting record low numbers in crime and

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<v Speaker 2>creating the greatest stock.

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<v Speaker 3>Market in history.

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<v Speaker 2>Leo should be thankful because, as everyone knows, he was

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<v Speaker 2>a shocking surprise. He wasn't on any list to be

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<v Speaker 2>pope and was only put there by the church because

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<v Speaker 2>he was an American and they thought that would be

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<v Speaker 2>best be the best way to deal with President Donald J.

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<v Speaker 3>Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>If I wasn't in the White House, Leo wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>in the Vatican. Unfortunately, Leo's week on Crime, week on

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear weapons doesn't sit well with me, nor does the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that he meets with Obama sympathizers like David Axelrod,

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<v Speaker 2>a loser from the left who was one of those

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<v Speaker 2>who wanted churchgoers and clerics to be arrested. Leo should

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<v Speaker 2>get his act together as pope, use common sense, stop

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<v Speaker 2>catering to the radical left, and focus on being a

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<v Speaker 2>Great Pope, not a politician. It's hurting him very badly,

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<v Speaker 2>and more importantly, it is hurting the Catholic Church. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I do think it's cool, but Leo did get a

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<v Speaker 2>little spicy, and he did ask. He did say when

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<v Speaker 2>was asked specifically about Trump's comments on True Social he said,

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<v Speaker 2>it's ironic the name of the side itself say no more.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I couldn't find that part of the video, but

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<v Speaker 1>I was looking for it. But yeah, that was as

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<v Speaker 1>and it wasn't even mean. But you don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>it'll set off a back and forth this with oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't mention the reason the president got upset. Apparently

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<v Speaker 1>this message went out not too long after. He was

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<v Speaker 1>watching his favorite.

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<v Speaker 2>Check sixty Minutes on CBS, where Yes Nora O'Donnell, a

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<v Speaker 2>correspondent there, interviewed three archbishops who were.

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<v Speaker 3>Critical of the Trump administration policies.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, I never heard anyone say anything specifically about

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<v Speaker 2>the president.

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<v Speaker 3>Himself, just his policies.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is something that has been accepted and is

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<v Speaker 2>something that we have seen happen since the beginning of time.

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<v Speaker 2>That is usually what politicians do or even perhaps world

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<v Speaker 2>leaders or folks who have mass followings. You if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't like something that's happening, you may criticize the policy,

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<v Speaker 2>but not the person. That's not what Trump does. When

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<v Speaker 2>he's upset with someone's words or an action by anyone

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<v Speaker 2>or a country, he gets personal, and that's what he did.

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<v Speaker 1>This is almost This sounds like a breakup. This sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like somebody who actually got who was emotional over something

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<v Speaker 1>that somebody in their relationship did and just decided to

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<v Speaker 1>say the meanest stuff to make them hurt. You're weak

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<v Speaker 1>and remember that thing you did five years ago during

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<v Speaker 1>COVID that was messed up too. And you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>I like your brother better anyway. So mmm, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, you wouldn't be anything without me. I'm the

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<v Speaker 1>only reason you have that job. You need to get

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<v Speaker 1>it together. You just hanging out with all these losers robes.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like an emotional breakup. It sounds like somebody

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<v Speaker 1>when we calmed down, you wouldn't say this stuff I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds that low. I'm saying. This doesn't sound like

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<v Speaker 1>the two most powerful men in the world exchanging ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds like a petty It really is. You know

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<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't even have a job if it wasn't for me.

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<v Speaker 2>When you put it in that tone, it's exactly exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what he said, and that's exactly where it's coming from.

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<v Speaker 2>And look, hy predicted. I didn't think the Pope would

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<v Speaker 2>clap back at all. I'm kind of surprised he did,

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<v Speaker 2>but I appreciate how he did it.

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<v Speaker 1>We should stop saying clapback.

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<v Speaker 3>Even the New York Times saying clap they really are

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<v Speaker 3>and that's how everyone's describing it.

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<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't mean spirited. I know it gives people

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<v Speaker 1>to click on stuff that is, but the guy responded

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<v Speaker 1>the only way, the best way. He answered these questions.

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<v Speaker 1>You knew he was going to get robes, but we

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to give you all the update. We didn't expect

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<v Speaker 1>to see the video we wanted to pass along. We

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<v Speaker 1>saw that the Pope had in fact made these comments

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<v Speaker 1>on camera. More to come on this, We're sure, and

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<v Speaker 1>we will be updating you here. As always, we appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>you spending time on TJ on behalf of my dear

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<v Speaker 1>auntie Tucks