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Speaker 1: On today's episode, we're talking about mergers, Nintendo and more. Hello,

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Speaker 1: my name is Jason Contemnio.

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Speaker 2: Hell, I'm Rosie Night and welcome back to x ray.

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Speaker 1: Vision of the podcast where we didep to your baby shows, news,

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Speaker 1: comments and pop culture comedy of Myron Podcast. We're reading

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Speaker 1: three episodes of week Class News and.

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Speaker 2: It's News, It's News, Today's News. In today's previously on episode,

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Speaker 2: we are catching you up on the biggest geek news

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Speaker 2: of the week, including we will be bringing in super

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Speaker 2: producers Aaron and Carmen to talk about Nintendo Direct reactions

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Speaker 2: in their top three news drops from the latest Nintendo Direct.

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Speaker 2: We will also be talking to one of the biggest

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Speaker 2: comic book names for our generation who is currently on

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Speaker 2: the recently launched Batman Number one.

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Speaker 1: That is matp Fraction, one of our favorites. Fun, such

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Speaker 1: a fun combo, But first, what's antitrust? We don't care

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Speaker 1: about it doesn't exist. Mere weeks after completing It's It's

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Speaker 1: merger with Paramount Larry Ellison, currently by some metrics, the

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Speaker 1: World's Richest Man. Yes, and sky Dance. Now I want

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Speaker 1: to swallow up Warner Brothers Discovery and they want to

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Speaker 1: do it Hole and David Zaslav must be like, yes, the.

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Speaker 2: Final this is crazy news.

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Speaker 3: They're not even done firing everybody at Paramount like they

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Speaker 3: need to do, like the true, the true merging of

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Speaker 3: Sky downs Paramount has not even happened, and they're looking

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Speaker 3: to swallow up yet another studio and media conglomerate. This

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Speaker 2: I want to say that this is or we were

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Speaker 2: right yes to a point, because we have said for

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Speaker 1: Be two channels.

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Speaker 2: At some point Three was really desperate to get Warner

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Speaker 2: Brothers Discovery off his hands. The thing we assumed, we

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Speaker 2: had assumed based on a lot of reporting that's been

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Speaker 2: going on since the days Aslav bought Warner Brothers. No

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Speaker 2: joke emerged it with Discovery that they would probably be

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Speaker 2: bought by Universal. That was the understanding was Universal was

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Speaker 2: looking for ip that Universal could extend some of their

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Speaker 2: parks into Warner Brothers lot space or Universal lot space,

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Speaker 2: depending on what they decided to do. That was what

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Speaker 1: Sky dance, certainly not after after acquiring paramount, which had

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Speaker 1: been you know, that had been dragging on forever until.

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Speaker 2: They and also speaking about quickness, this is also literally

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Speaker 2: the moment basically that Warner Brothers Discovery is allowed to

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Speaker 2: be sold after being merged because there is a certain

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Speaker 2: amount of years that you can before you can resell it.

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Speaker 2: So Warner Brother's Discovery, this is all anyone really cares about.

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Speaker 2: Is the stock opened at thirteen dollars on the day

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Speaker 2: very high for them. It has not been a growth

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Speaker 2: stock for a long time. This is honestly just kind

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Speaker 2: of yeah, it's what we what we expected. What does

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Speaker 1: Only rumor at this point.

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Speaker 1: Being reported as pretty serious.

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Speaker 2: Being reported as serious fact. And also the other thing

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Speaker 2: is it's going to be a mostly cash bid. Warner

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Speaker 2: is very good for them. Plus the other thing that

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Speaker 2: is really interesting is this will happen before Warner Brothers

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Speaker 2: and Discovery split, and everyone assumed what was going to

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Speaker 2: happen was David Zaslav would want to keep Discovery and

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Speaker 2: then sell the Warner Brothers aspect, no selling both and

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Speaker 2: and zaz Lav, terrible news for all of us, is

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Speaker 2: financial officer and hatchetman. So this is a very messy thing.

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Speaker 2: That does not mean we're going to have no more

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Speaker 2: because you know what I mean, he did his job.

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Speaker 2: He did it. This is what the whole He did

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Speaker 1: To Dizaz anybody in the position to have that job,

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Speaker 1: this was always going to be the goal.

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Speaker 2: This was what they had, This was what they were

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Speaker 1: What they were going to do, and this is what

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Speaker 1: might be wondering, how do I describe this merger or

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Speaker 1: potential merger in terms of Love Island. And luckily one

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Speaker 1: group chots, please that analyzes the potential merger in terms

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Speaker 1: of Love Island quote. Skydance enters the villa as a

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Speaker 1: bombshell Disney's like, you're not hot enough to be here

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Speaker 1: The audience at home finds out that Skynants is a

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Speaker 1: Paramount knows Skydance is rich, so throws themselves at them. Then,

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Speaker 1: inviting Warner Brothers to soul Ties, but Warner Brothers is

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Speaker 1: not interested because they're like, you already are in a

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Speaker 1: the OG's will become single. America wants to vote to

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Speaker 1: their dad, who is like, this show is stupid and

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Speaker 1: find real love in the villa, and Warner Brothers is like, wait,

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Speaker 1: Brothers pick Skydance in a challenge and twerks in their

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Speaker 1: mean anything. People are telling sky Dance they just want

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Speaker 1: don't care. I want to be with Warner Brothers. They

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Speaker 1: I'll help you. I'll take care of the hot baby

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Speaker 1: that's not crying a lot. Everyone in the villa is like,

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Speaker 1: as we get to keep the hot baby. Ariano Maddox like,

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Speaker 2: And that's it.

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Speaker 1: That is a analysis of the potential Skuidance and Warner

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Speaker 1: let's bring our super producers, Aaron and Carmen in to

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Speaker 1: talk about the latest news from Nintendo Direct. Hello, what's

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Speaker 1: going on with Nintendo?

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Speaker 4: Well, we had a very exciting Nintendo Direct this morning.

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Speaker 4: Aaron and I were watching it together live. Oh, we

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Speaker 4: have some some top things we want to hit.

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Speaker 5: First of all, I know you were all worried. Is

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Speaker 5: there going to be a sequel to the Mario movie?

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Speaker 5: There is, and it's called Super Mario Galaxy.

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Speaker 2: We have no news. I love that I saw that news.

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Speaker 5: No Zelda movie news, which I think would have been fun,

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Speaker 5: but we know what's happening, and we know they've done

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Speaker 5: some casting. It is a little bit harder to make

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Speaker 5: an animated trailer for a movie that's going to be action.

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Speaker 2: There's also a they're bringing back Virtual Boy.

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Speaker 5: Wait seriously, yes, yeah, so there will be a Virtual

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Speaker 2: Oh, I probably love. I love when they had the

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Speaker 2: crazy cardboard. They had cardoard, really weird stuff. Yeah. When

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Speaker 2: like a you know, a VR set, But it makes sense.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how it is for you guys,

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Speaker 2: that is their console. They have five nights of Freddy's

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Speaker 2: So it is I think this is a smart move

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Speaker 6: Well, this isn't gonna look anything like that. It's gonna

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Speaker 2: Red and it's gonna be the old school.

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Speaker 5: They also announced Final Fantasy seven Integrade will be coming

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Speaker 5: And they did have moments within direct where they were

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Speaker 2: I'm like, guys, I literally the reason I buy a

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Speaker 2: It'll be like I really got to pay good pizza,

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Speaker 2: like I'm playing Breath of the Wild on my console.

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Speaker 5: This is not It's not one of our top moments, Rosie.

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Speaker 5: But they did announce Sweak, a new version of Sweaker

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Speaker 2: It's one of the best games.

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Speaker 5: Also, there's a new Resident Evil. But none of those

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Speaker 2: Which is kind of crazy to me. I feel like

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Resident Evil games, I'm too scared to play personally,

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Speaker 4: but these, Yeah, it's it's going.

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Speaker 4: It's true, I'm too scared of Resident Evil games, but

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Speaker 4: I will be playing Fatal Frame two the Spify.

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Speaker 4: Biggest news for me was Hades two. They did an

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Speaker 4: amazing new trailer for Hades two. The full game is

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Speaker 1: About DLC. There must be a reason, there must be

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Speaker 1: This is how this is. We should just do this.

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Speaker 2: That's what I agree with confusing. Otherwise.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, One thing I think though, and Jason, one of

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Speaker 5: the reasons I asked too, is because I think PlayStation

439
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Speaker 5: in Xbox frequently will have like enhanced versions of a

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Speaker 5: title you.

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Speaker 1: Can buy, but it's dl It's like it's like it

442
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Speaker 1: comes with the art book and here's the the you

443
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Speaker 1: get extra but it's more actual content.

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Speaker 2: I think the first thing I ever really recall having

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Speaker 2: a big d l C, and this is just because

446
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Speaker 2: this is the kind of games I play was Batman,

447
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Speaker 2: Arkhamsyling and the Arkham trilogy that they did, and those

448
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Speaker 2: were always about extra characters, extra suits, extra like side missions,

449
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Speaker 2: and so those I would usually get, but again it

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Speaker 2: would be when I rebought it on a different console,

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Speaker 2: I'd just buy the bundle, you know, so, but I'm

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Speaker 2: definitely interested. I also think something that is probably affecting

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Speaker 2: this and let me know if I'm totally off based listeners.

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Speaker 2: But you know what is very much one of the

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Speaker 2: biggest played games of all time is Fortnite, and you

456
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Speaker 2: know how Fortnite, but you know how Fortnite like, it

457
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Speaker 2: makes a lot of its money from selling Godzilla skins

458
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Speaker 2: basketball player skins. You can have Godzilla and you can

459
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Speaker 2: he can be wearing Miles Morales is Jordan Wand's like,

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Speaker 2: I think that the elements of how people play games

461
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Speaker 2: are changing, and I think the idea of new content

462
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Speaker 2: and constantly buying new content, whether you're playing Roadblocks, which

463
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Speaker 2: is making my every single day, by kids just constantly

464
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Speaker 2: downloading new costumes on new knives or yeah, their parents'

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Speaker 2: credit cards, just raising that stuff up. I think that

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Speaker 2: that is so normalized in the way that younger people

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Speaker 2: play games that it makes sense that Nintendo's trying to.

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Speaker 5: Kind of Yeah, look, there are plenty of there are

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Speaker 5: plenty of games that have micro transactions throughout their lifespan

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Speaker 5: that make ridiculous amounts of money. And then there are

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Speaker 5: plenty of games that release a DLC one year, two

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Speaker 5: years into the life cycle. And there are plenty of

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Speaker 5: games like Stardu Valley, which I joke about, which also

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Speaker 5: has a four players twist screen coming to Nintendo Switch two.

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Speaker 5: There are games like Stardoo that just drop free DLC's.

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Speaker 5: It's just strange, I think for so many of these

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Speaker 5: games to have a DLC announced on launch that is

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Speaker 5: a paid DLC that just seems like you're buying a

479
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Speaker 5: couple extra Pokemon for twenty guys.

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Speaker 2: Who knows what this is? Uh, this is just like

481
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Speaker 2: late stage capitalism.

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Speaker 6: Yeah it is.

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Speaker 2: I think that's what I think. That's what it is,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 5: But all in all, a fun Nintendo Direct. It went

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Speaker 5: over an hour. Carmen and I clearly had different things

487
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Speaker 5: that we were most excited about. Even Joelle was super

488
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Speaker 5: excited about Virtual Boy, and we were like, that was

489
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Speaker 5: like a cool thing.

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Speaker 2: We're not on top of our Well, that show's they're

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Speaker 2: still able to do that appealing to everyone.

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Speaker 5: Nice to see Nintendo can have a lot of different

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Speaker 5: things still to announce, so we're very happy with it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you guys so much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for joining us. We're going to take

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Speaker 1: a quick break and we'll be back with our interview

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Speaker 1: with Matt Fraction and now our interview with one of

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Speaker 1: our favorite comic book creators of all time, Matt Fraction.

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Speaker 2: Hello, X ray Vision listeners. We are very excited to

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Speaker 2: have one of our favorite comic book writers, Matt Fraction

501
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Speaker 2: with us, who you may know from many different things

502
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Speaker 2: like The Invincible Iron Man, More I amphis uncunny X Men,

503
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Speaker 2: one of my favorite comics, Casanova, Sex Criminals, Superman's pal

504
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Speaker 2: Jamie Olsen, and so much more. But we're here today

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Speaker 2: because Matt is going to be the writ on Batman

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Speaker 2: issue number one and continuing with soups the artist Ja Jimenez.

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Speaker 8: Matt, how you doing, I'm good. My dog is going

508
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Speaker 8: off in the background, so I apologize if you can

509
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Speaker 8: hear it, but he's very large and will not be silenced.

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Speaker 8: Yes you say that, I can get you on today

511
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Speaker 8: for thirty bucks. He's got his papers.

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Speaker 2: I'll take it.

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Speaker 8: He's one hundred and thirty six pounds. He puts his

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Speaker 8: paws on my shoulders and looks me in the eye.

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Speaker 1: Matt, tell us about your approach to Batman, as this

516
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Speaker 1: is kind of a return to the big two for

517
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Speaker 1: you after a little while out and loved Batman number one.

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Speaker 1: Tell us about your approach to this story.

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Speaker 8: You know, I Batman was the first comic I ever read.

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Speaker 8: It was the comic that made me fall in love

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Speaker 8: with comics. A Man three sixteen. I was three years

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Speaker 8: old in July nineteen seventy nine, and I'll be dead soon,

523
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Speaker 8: so you know, I and that that. You know, it's

524
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Speaker 8: gonna reflect a certain era. It's obviously, you know, it's

525
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Speaker 8: a little bit like maybe reading X Men or watching

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Speaker 8: Saturday Night Live, like the cast you fall in love

527
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Speaker 8: with is always the best, and there's ups and downs

528
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Speaker 8: since then, but like you know, you never forget your

529
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Speaker 8: first or whatever. But but you know, it was a

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Speaker 8: very you know, the sort of superhero forward Cape Crusader era.

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Speaker 8: You know, it was it was a superhero comic. It

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Speaker 8: was it could be scary, and it could be a mystery,

533
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Speaker 8: and it could be adventure, and it could be all

534
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Speaker 8: these different things, but it was sort of superhero forward first,

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Speaker 8: and that was that was a thing that that that

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Speaker 8: was kind of the key to my approach, and just

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Speaker 8: as a as a fan, as a reader, it had

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Speaker 8: been a while, it felt like, and since that had

539
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Speaker 8: kind of been front and center and sort of starting

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Speaker 8: with how do you how do you get the book

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Speaker 8: to that place? You know it would be how do

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Speaker 8: you get Batman to that place? And sort of thinking

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Speaker 8: about what I maybe wanted to try and say, oh,

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Speaker 8: why would I want to spend all this time with

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Speaker 8: Batman and Bruce Wayne in my head? So you know,

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Speaker 8: that was kind of the on The sort of thing

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Speaker 8: I was looking for was was was through that lens

548
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Speaker 8: of like Superhero Forward Caped Crusader stuff, and and the

549
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Speaker 8: rest came from there. And then it kind of pitched

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Speaker 8: it to Marie and Rob and they really dug it.

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Speaker 8: So so here, so here we are, and now there's

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Speaker 8: a Batman number one out in the.

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Speaker 2: World there is. How are you feeling about that? How

554
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Speaker 2: does it feel to have you know, it's only like

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Speaker 2: the fourth ever Batman number one?

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Speaker 6: As well, I think for the very.

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Speaker 8: For the very fourth time. I frankly it's it's it's overwhelming.

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Speaker 8: And I was like, look, I'm I'm certainly guilty in

559
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Speaker 8: life of under selling things and being self deprecating to

560
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Speaker 8: the to the point of of of of derision or

561
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Speaker 8: I don't know, but I genuinely had no idea how

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Speaker 8: big this was going to be. It wasn't until San

563
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Speaker 8: Diego that I got a sense of like, oh, oh

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Speaker 8: this is this is different, this is really different. So no,

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Speaker 8: it's it's great. I mean, I used this metaphor the

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Speaker 8: other day, but like it's it's like Marty McFly and

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Speaker 8: I think I'm pitching a ride on the back of

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Speaker 8: a truck and taking a lazy, you know, a lazy

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Speaker 8: ride on my skateboard to school, but the truck is

570
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Speaker 8: actually the truck from Sorcerer and Roy Scheider's but somewhere to.

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Speaker 2: Be already happy to be back in the big two.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I know that. And it's been great, and you

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Speaker 8: know I've been This is the other thing, too, is

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Speaker 8: like I've been doing this for like fifteen months now,

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Speaker 8: like it's been happening a long time. I'm crazy far

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Speaker 8: ahead and like, uh, it has yet to actually feel

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Speaker 8: like work. So it's been great. It's been awesome.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot to love about the first issue, including

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Speaker 1: where his gorgeous artwork but I think the thing that

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Speaker 1: really resonated with me, especially after you're anecdote about your

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Speaker 1: first comic being Batman through sixteen, and is the way

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Speaker 1: that Batman resolves, you know, what could be a knockdown,

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Speaker 1: all out brawl with Kroc that turns into something else.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if you could talk about that moment in

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Speaker 1: that in the issue, which I find really heartwarming and nice.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I you know, I think that the sort of

587
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Speaker 8: question gets asked in the opening scene like do people

588
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Speaker 8: really change? Yeah? You know, and has change really possible?

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Speaker 8: And you know, look at the sort of on a

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Speaker 8: metal level, what does that mean in a superhero comic?

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Speaker 8: Like and is there is there a different way?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 8: Is is there a malleability to Batman's approach as malleable

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Speaker 8: as the character himself is. You know, he's capable of

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Speaker 8: facing all these different things, but does he face them

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Speaker 8: all kind of the same way? And I don't know,

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Speaker 8: it's just sort of felt like a thematic. It surprised

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Speaker 8: me in the writing where I thought I was gearing

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Speaker 8: up for a Batman Croc fight and then he turned

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Speaker 8: the gloves off, and it was like You're like, oh, oh, okay,

601
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Speaker 8: this is not a this is interesting what happens what

602
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 8: happens when he sits down, instead of let's see what happens.

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Speaker 8: So it felt like an on ramp into the idea

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Speaker 8: of things changing and things evolving. You know, he still

605
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 8: runs his car into a bunch of sex pests that

606
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Speaker 8: that torment women that dare to go jogging in a parks,

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Speaker 8: Like it's not it's still like it's it's it's still Batman,

608
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Speaker 8: but like, yes, maybe yeah, maybe, you know, maybe maybe

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Speaker 8: to a the whole world looks like nails. So so

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Speaker 8: I don't know, it was it was it was it

611
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Speaker 8: was something I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Is that something that we can expect to see continued

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Speaker 2: as a theme throughout this the idea of kind of

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Speaker 2: how a superhero like Batman can evolve.

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Speaker 8: Maybe we will uh uh, we'll see, you know. And

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Speaker 8: part of that is me not wanting to to give

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Speaker 8: the game away. But also part of me is not

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Speaker 8: wanting to give the game away, right, It's just it's

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Speaker 8: certainly it's certainly in my head mm hmm. But also

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Speaker 8: I don't want to see every No, I want to

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Speaker 8: see bad guy. I want to see bat Batman punching

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Speaker 8: bad guys. I want to see fights. I want to

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Speaker 8: see action and violence. Uh I don't do you know.

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Speaker 8: I'm I'm I'm into that. Uh So, so no, there's

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Speaker 8: not gonna be a lot a lot of you know,

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Speaker 8: Fraser Crane talking to you, talking talking, you know, but

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Speaker 8: but like, no, it's but it's it's the the idea

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Speaker 8: is in the mix now and and and just as

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Speaker 8: a kind of opening gambit, and well we'll see where

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Speaker 8: it takes us.

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Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about the setup to your

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Speaker 1: to your Batman story. What is the state of Gotham

633
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Speaker 1: we head into this, and what's the state of the

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Speaker 1: Cape Crusader.

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Speaker 8: I mean, it sort of just picked up where where

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Speaker 8: where Chip left off and then sort of where I

637
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 8: know Jim and Jeff are leaving things and and you know,

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Speaker 8: I'm trying to make it as clean an entry point

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Speaker 8: as as possible. But you know, it's it's it's still Gotham.

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Speaker 8: It's you know, as the Board of Tourism says, you

641
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 8: don't have to be crazy to live here, but it helps.

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Speaker 8: And uh, you know, but I'm looking for new shapes

643
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Speaker 8: and colors out of the place. You know, I'm I'm

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Speaker 8: I'm kind of weary and tired and bored of of

645
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Speaker 8: a Gotham that is, you know, decorated entirely as a

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Speaker 8: wet factory. That's that's the color of a of a

647
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Speaker 8: decayed avocado. And I don't, I don't, I don't look

648
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Speaker 8: at pictures of Gotham and think I need a tetanus shot. Right,

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00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 8: So Gotham is still Gotham. It's still larger than life

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Speaker 8: and strange and and gothic and deco and and bigger

651
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Speaker 8: than big and and you know, it's it's it's all

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00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 8: of New York and Barcelona and Tokyo and Paris, uh

653
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 8: and and and London smashed together, and you know, larger

654
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 8: than larger than life. You know, it's it's it's Metropolis's uh,

655
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 8: spooky goths, the sister and but it's it's capable of

656
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 8: of all this color and flavor and yeah, and and

657
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 8: you know, it's kind of picking up all of the threads.

658
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 8: You know, the bad guys are running the police department

659
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 8: and the good guys are on their heels and and uh,

660
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 8: you know, he doesn't live in that mansion anymore, but

661
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 8: he's got a pretty nice house. And you know, it's

662
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 8: it's uh, you know, I I don't want to punish

663
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 8: anyone for how having read the book before, and I

664
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 8: don't want to punish anyone for not having read the

665
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 8: book before it. Hopefully you can just kind of click

666
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 8: in and take the ride, and if you've got questions,

667
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 8: you know, good news. There's been Batman's stories told the

668
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 8: last one thousand and thirty six consecutive months of human history.

669
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 8: You can you can dig into, you know, But I

670
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 8: want to write a clean, open first issue that he's

671
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 8: a superhero. Come come, come, come, come watch him do

672
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 8: his thing.

673
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 2: You talked about got them looking a little different here,

674
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 2: a little bright. So what was it like working with

675
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: jje and then obviously Tommyo's Murray's incredible colors that really

676
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: bring Gotham to life in a way that is a

677
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: bit brighter, a bit more hopeful.

678
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 8: Maybe, Oh oh, I mean it's a it's a dream

679
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 8: like I love Horey's work, and he and Tummy you

680
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 8: work so well together and have such a a singular

681
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 8: vision between them where each one can kind of augment

682
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 8: the other in these kind of brilliant ways, and it's

683
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 8: just all was sort of in my approach, is you know,

684
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 8: And it kind of had to, you know, pitch an audition,

685
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 8: not just for uh Marie and Rob, but kind of

686
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 8: for Jorge as well. And you know the sort of

687
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 8: the I mean, because like he was fixed. He was

688
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 8: he was the fixed. He was the known quantity, right,

689
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 8: he was the one they knew what was drawing the book,

690
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 8: so you know, but it came in and like, I

691
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 8: would kind of like to put him back in the

692
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 8: blue and gray and I would like to, you know,

693
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 8: get away from wet factory, and and Jorge's eyes just

694
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 8: let up said yes, you know, he was so excited

695
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 8: and ready for that. You know. The first line in

696
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 8: the book is no rain, And it doesn't mean that

697
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 8: the Gotham's in a drought. It means that, like it's

698
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 8: I don't want to spend time in the dreary Gotham

699
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 8: for a little bit. You know. I'd spend a lot

700
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 8: of time in Tokyo the last year, and it's such

701
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 8: an incredible looking city, especially at night, especially outside of

702
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 8: the kind of big clusters and hubs, you know, where

703
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 8: it's it's not necessarily the science fiction, you know, millions

704
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 8: of signs and things like that, but just the quality

705
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 8: of light at night in Tokyo was was really striking

706
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 8: to me. And yeah, I wanted it to happen in

707
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 8: a place that that I understood why people lived there,

708
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 8: you know, and and so much of that just kind

709
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 8: of spoke to the tone, the tonal ambitions and and

710
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 8: and just kind of personal reference of that that kind

711
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 8: of caped Crusader era and and they were ready for it.

712
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 8: And and it's great, like like they are parts of

713
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 8: you know, or his pages where he'll leave notes for Tony,

714
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 8: like like here's this is where you'll do this or pop,

715
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 8: you know, and he knows how to queue things up

716
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 8: for the color to to to to carry and and

717
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 8: they just they work together so incredibly well and so beautifully.

718
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 8: And you know, I'm just trying to serve that and

719
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 8: serve them. Uh and and and just as as a

720
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 8: fan to kind of write the book, I most wish

721
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 8: I could see them, do you know?

722
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: You could really feel that kind of ethos in the

723
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: panels where Batman is gliding over the city or even

724
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: driving through Robinson Park, tell us about that moment you

725
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: get the I mean, you've mentioned you've been at this

726
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: a while. You've been writing comics and creating comics and

727
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: for various places and independently on your own for a

728
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: long time, with many different collaborators. But what is it

729
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: like to get the first pieces of art back, to

730
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: see the vision coalescing.

731
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 8: It's it's kind of like going on a first date,

732
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 8: you know, Or it's like that the first time you're

733
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 8: you're at someone's place, and like you're seeing their stuff

734
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 8: and and you know, it's it's it's like, I like collaborators.

735
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 8: I want collaborators, I want partners. I don't want employees.

736
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 8: You know, I don't think my job is done when

737
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 8: I hit send on the script, you know, I think

738
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 8: I think comics are primarily a visual medium, even though

739
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 8: we're in such a kind of writer driven era, and

740
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 8: I think it's my job to serve the visuals as

741
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 8: a matter of primacy. Like like, you know, there's the

742
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 8: it's the difference between the lightning bug and the lightning right,

743
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 8: Like it's a quote Mark Twain, Like it's just like

744
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 8: I want to you know, my my favorite part of

745
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 8: the process is taking out as many words as I

746
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 8: can once once the art is back, you know, and

747
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 8: and and and and it's it's not enough to just

748
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 8: go off of thumbnails. I can make a pretty good

749
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 8: guess off of thumbnails. But but once the color is

750
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 8: in place and the inks are down and all of

751
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 8: the acting is rendered and and the thing is complete,

752
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 8: like like then I really have to then that's then

753
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 8: then get the work with an eraser, you know, And

754
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 8: and I want to get rid of as many words

755
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 8: on a page as I can, to leave as much

756
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 8: art as possible. That's part of the reason it decided

757
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 8: to do away with first person narration from Batman, right

758
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 8: like that just be a lot of words everywhere. And

759
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 8: and when you're dealing with such tremendous and gifted artists

760
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 8: as these guys, like like they can do this, they

761
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 8: can tell this with with their work, I don't have

762
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 8: to tell it with mine.

763
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: Have there been any moments, you know, in that scripting

764
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: process where you get the pages back and you're like, oh, yeah,

765
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: that's better than.

766
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 8: Every page, every every every single every single like like

767
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 8: I'm sorry that I miss understand undersell that everything anyone

768
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 8: has ever responded to about my work is because of

769
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 8: the artists. I'm I just like like Zelig, like popping

770
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 8: my head up in the corner like oh hey, I'm

771
00:40:59,280 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 8: here too.

772
00:40:59,640 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 7: Guys.

773
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 8: Look we did it. Yay, yeah, no, every single page,

774
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 8: every single page.

775
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: It strikes me as well, your idea for Gotham and

776
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: creating a space that you kind of understand why there

777
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: isn't this steady tide of flight from the city that

778
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: people are like, Hey, that's actually exciting.

779
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 8: Is kind of do you live in the Do you

780
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 8: live in the toxic chemical district or the giant prop

781
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 8: manufacturing district? Oh no, I live I live next to

782
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 8: the three empty prisons in the burning hospital, right. Oh sure,

783
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 8: rents are so expensive.

784
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: There is also I think reflected in the in the

785
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: title of the issue, vast Colors in the Dark. Where

786
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: did the title come from? Because it really struck me

787
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: when I when I was reading it, like, oh, what

788
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: a cool title.

789
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 8: I don't know, it's kind of a there is kind

790
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 8: of a I mean really, there's a couple of like

791
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 8: there's like a Gallow film that I don't know, I

792
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 8: don't know, it just.

793
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: It felt go on the Giallow. I love where we're going.

794
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, you know, there's there's there's a there's a

795
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 8: I think it's called Colors in the Dark, And there's

796
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 8: a there's a movie a couple of years back called

797
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 8: I think that the vastness of night that I liked.

798
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 8: And but but but it was that that you know,

799
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 8: we did it, we we we We shot in Tokyo

800
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 8: for almost two weeks, and like only three or four

801
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 8: of those were during daylight and everything else was a

802
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 8: night shoot. So I spent a lot of time in

803
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 8: Tokyo at night. And it's there's just an entirely different

804
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 8: palette that exists, right, and and and that that idea

805
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 8: of the quality of color at night and in the dark,

806
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 8: and and he's the dark night and how do you know?

807
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 8: And what does this look like? And and the the

808
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 8: I don't know, it just it felt it's it's yes,

809
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 8: it's still night. It's still dark. He's still the dark night.

810
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 8: It's still there's still wait. But also like, there's beauty here, right,

811
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 8: there's there's incredible things to be seen if you've got

812
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 8: the eyes to see it and you stay up late.

813
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 8: My dog looks at the moon. Have you ever seen

814
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 8: a dog look at the moon?

815
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: Yes? I have, I've seen my dog. My dog loves

816
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 1: to look at the moon.

817
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I just it's just like and especially when

818
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 8: it's full, he'll just stare at it and like and

819
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 8: and you you're out in the dark long enough and

820
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 8: like your eyes adjust and you start to see things

821
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 8: you don't see before. You know, as your your your

822
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 8: your eyes adapt to the darkness. You see colors in

823
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 8: that in that in that light, whether it's a full

824
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 8: moon in the Pacific Northwest or you know, downtown Tokyo

825
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 8: or whatever it's, it's there's, there's, there's, there's a vast

826
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 8: palette to be explored there beyond black and green and gray.

827
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 1: I think another thing that was really fun and thought

828
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: of working for me was the presence of Alfred, you know,

829
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: in the field. Alfred's been a presence throughout Batman's history,

830
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: you know, in the earpiece and on the walkie talkie

831
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: in various ways. But to have him actually in a

832
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: I'm less interested in the A the ape a part

833
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: of it. Then the fact that he's there with Bruce, like, actually.

834
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 8: He's not a he's not he's not a I.

835
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 1: Or excuse me, however, the hologram.

836
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 8: Version, he's not a he's not a hologram. It's not

837
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 8: technology very interesting.

838
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: Well, I'm I love the fact that he's there, And

839
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: how does that change the approach for Bruce.

840
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 8: Oh, it's great, there's no escape. Yeah, he's like he's

841
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 8: he's he's Jimminy Cricket and he's the shiniest, sharpest needle

842
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 8: for all of Batman's darkest balloons. And you know, he's

843
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 8: he's the he's the It's like, oh, there's no escape

844
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 8: from that regulating voice, right, Like I love that the

845
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 8: that there is something fundamental in the relationship that is

846
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 8: like I've got to keep you grounded, you know, And

847
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 8: it's that it's that tether like you're my you know.

848
00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 8: You don't don't get grandiose, right, like don't don't, don't

849
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 8: don't start thinking about things and levels of like primal archetypes.

850
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 8: You're a guy, he's a guy. Have the conversation or whatever,

851
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 8: you know, like it's nice to have a a And

852
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 8: also like, look, because I got rid of the first

853
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 8: person captions, like it helps to have.

854
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 1: Someone to talk to sure, for sure, Yeah, you.

855
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 8: Know, and I don't want to do the cutting back

856
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 8: and forth on the radio necessarily all the time. So

857
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 8: like it was it was like, oh, okay, this is

858
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 8: this is this is this is good, this is this

859
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 8: is the presence of self regulation and quality control, right,

860
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 8: and that difficult job of being able to say no

861
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 8: to the most intimidating person in the world, right, and

862
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 8: Alfred excels at that first and foremost. Alfred is the

863
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 8: one to say you're full of shit, right, like dial it,

864
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 8: dial it down, linatic and it's great. It's just fun.

865
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 8: It's fun, it's bouncy and nice, it's it's it's if

866
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 8: nothing else, that's someone not afraid of Batman.

867
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: Yes, which is a dynamic that he's not used to

868
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 1: all the time.

869
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 7: I don't know what you guys talked about while I

870
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 7: was being while I was in my t pay moment,

871
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 7: but I was going to ask about just getting to

872
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 7: visualize a new world of Gotham with Joe and Tommy.

873
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 8: So what was that Like, It's just it's it's been great,

874
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 8: and it sort of drove me to like, you know,

875
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 8: I've sort of been building a map, Like it became

876
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 8: really important to me, not just as a writer to

877
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 8: like know where does this happen? Like what's here, but

878
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 8: like to to think of you know, there's a it's

879
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 8: an old cliche that I think some desperate writer said

880
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 8: in a pitch meeting and sold a show on it,

881
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 8: so it gets repeated all the time, but like the

882
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 8: city is a character, but like it's especially true in

883
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 8: DC comics. It's not New York, it's Metropolis. Right, it's

884
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 8: not Chicago. It's it's Gotham or whatever whatever your your

885
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 8: your your reference or antecedents are precedents are like, Okay,

886
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 8: so this is a character, then I should know what

887
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 8: it's like, you know, and and and so that means

888
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 8: the neighborhoods. And and once they started to kind of

889
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 8: like really plan a flag in the geography, start to

890
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 8: have an idea about where the money flows and what

891
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:17,439
Speaker 8: happens here and why and what bad guys are headquartered here. Oh,

892
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 8: and they're here because the boats are here. And that

893
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 8: means this is where this happens, and this is where

894
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 8: that you know it all. It all just kind of

895
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 8: makes it real. And so, you know, kind of worked

896
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 8: with Clayton to introduce a like a you know, we

897
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 8: really literally took the New York City Metro Transit Authorities

898
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 8: Design Handbook from like nineteen seventy and use that as

899
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 8: a basis, you know, for like subway signs and like

900
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 8: like introducing that as part of the visual language of

901
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 8: the book and trying to make Gotham feel real as

902
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 8: a city by giving it all of the kind of

903
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 8: texture and grain that that the real cities have, you know,

904
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 8: and and so it was cool and so we know, like, oh, okay,

905
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 8: well this is the neighborhood is this and it's going

906
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 8: to feel like that, And that just inspires everything that

907
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 8: that tells me what the buildings are going to be like,

908
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 8: So when the fight happens, what are they going to

909
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:08,959
Speaker 8: be near?

910
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 7: Right?

911
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 8: Are they skyscrapers? Are they? Are they brownstones? Are they? Apartments?

912
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 8: Are they? Are they? Is it a is it a

913
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 8: warehouse district? Like what? You know? Just all of that

914
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 8: kind of informs everything else and is it kind of

915
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 8: built out the series and it becomes kind of more

916
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 8: crucial you'll see in this kind of first six seven issues,

917
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 8: like like the geography is important for a reason. It's

918
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 8: sort of all the parts of the map are are

919
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 8: are realized for a reason. So so just as a

920
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 8: writer doing that, and then the joy of then kind

921
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 8: of putting down vague thoughts about a place on paper

922
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 8: to Jorge and Tommy and Clayton and seeing what they

923
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 8: come back with is like, oh, perfect, nailed it. This

924
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 8: is exactly what what little Tokyo. This is exactly what

925
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 8: little Tokyo looks like. This is exactly where the big

926
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 8: money goes to live that aren't old money, right, Like,

927
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 8: this is where the tech bros would live, and this

928
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 8: is where the people who have been millionaires, and you know,

929
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 8: all that kind of stuff. Like it just informed the

930
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 8: the whole, the whole of the book. It's also great

931
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 8: when I don't know what else to write. It feels

932
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,240
Speaker 8: like work. It's not really writing, but it feels like writing.

933
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 8: So I can like figure out how Adobe illustrator works

934
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 8: and drawing a map and pretend I'm writing, when in

935
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 8: fact I'm just dicking around.

936
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: With that in mind. Let's say I'm a I'm a

937
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm a young person.

938
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 6: I just got out of.

939
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: Smallville Community College and I'm not a bright man.

940
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 2: Then huh, I want to move.

941
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: I want to move to the you know, it was

942
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: what was available. I want to move to the big

943
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: city and you know, feel the excitement, get a.

944
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 8: Job like Axel Rose at the beginning of the Jungle video.

945
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: You got a right, god, yeah, and you know and

946
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: I don't but I don't want that stepping off the

947
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: bus and easy straddling accosting me as I come off

948
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: the bus with the sprig of weed in my mouth,

949
00:49:59,280 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: right right?

950
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 8: Where do where?

951
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: Where am I looking to live in Gotham?

952
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 8: What's your job? Where are you going to work?

953
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: I think I would love to get a job writing

954
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: for like the Gotham Free Weekly, like doing music.

955
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 8: That's going to be Old Gotham. There's a newspaper. There's

956
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 8: a newspaper row. It's sort of in the central island,

957
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 8: kind of on the southeast. You know, it's it's close

958
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 8: to the water. You can see, uh, you can see

959
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,720
Speaker 8: the new towers. Off to the left. You've got alley

960
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 8: Town just up a little sketchy, a little little not

961
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 8: so much a red light district, but you get the

962
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 8: pink light district just to the north. But always a lead,

963
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 8: always a story there. And yeah, and uh, you know,

964
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 8: look for the look for the newspaper, the Gotham iye.

965
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 8: You know, they're the tower like the big eye and

966
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 8: the pyramid that rotates around and you'll, uh, you'll you'll

967
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 8: know where your your neighborhood is. And then yeah, so

968
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 8: find the Gotham iye. And then look for the sirens

969
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 8: and that's where the Free Press is. Going to be.

970
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 7: I'm very excited to hit more about Jason's future and

971
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 7: Gothamsea Late to Day.

972
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 6: I can't wait.

973
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 7: Thanks so much for joining us. Matt.

974
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Matt, thank you so much.

975
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 8: That's it. We're done.

976
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 7: Come back anytimes. Usually we have better internet. But yeah,

977
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 7: it's great to talk to you, really really big fans.

978
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 8: Oh, thank you so much, and thanks for reading the book.

979
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 8: It's it's uh crazy. Today is really great. It's been

980
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 8: a it's going to be a crazy couple of couple

981
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,919
Speaker 8: of weeks, a couple of months. So there's a fun

982
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 8: way to start Batman Day for me. Thank you very much.

983
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: On next week's episode of X ray Vision, we're diving

984
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: into episode four, Peacemaker and the finale of Foundation with

985
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: our interview with the showrunner, David Scoyer. That's it for news.

986
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.

987
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