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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my.

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Speaker 3: Name is Noa. They call me Bed. We're joined as

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Speaker 3: always with our super producer, Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan.

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Speaker 3: Most importantly, you argue you are here. That makes this

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Speaker 3: the stuff they don't want you to know. It's time

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Speaker 3: for some news and spoiler, friends and neighbors. This news

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Speaker 3: is going to be strange. If you are tuning in

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Speaker 3: to our program the evening it publishes. Let us welcome

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Speaker 3: you to July twenty eighth, twenty five. Guys. I don't

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Speaker 3: know about you. I feel like it's important for us

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Speaker 3: to say the date because we're creating time capsules. Maybe

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Speaker 3: that was really prescient. Or maybe we'll look back in

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Speaker 3: a few years and think, oh, Epstein got away with it.

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Speaker 2: I think we're gonna think that.

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Speaker 4: I think so.

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Speaker 2: Uh No, matter what.

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Speaker 3: We're thinking it now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of people got away with a lot

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Speaker 4: of things.

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Speaker 2: But like got away. How did he get away with it?

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Speaker 2: I guess he nobody had to learn the truth really,

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Speaker 2: the extent of what was going on, I would say.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I guess if we're waxing philosophical here, mortality

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Speaker 3: means that everybody gets away at some point. Oh boy, uh,

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Speaker 3: weird energy. Right. One thing we want to mention at

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Speaker 3: the top is our friends at Microsoft have spent one

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Speaker 3: one point seven billion dollars on poop burial.

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Speaker 4: I'm sexplain, I don't understand.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they've got a partnership with a company called

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Speaker 3: Vaulted Deep, which is a carbon removal company, and their

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Speaker 3: ideas they're going to remove four point nine million metric

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Speaker 3: tons of carbon emissions over the next twelve years, so

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Speaker 2: Is this a story I saw about?

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Speaker 3: It?

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Speaker 2: Is Microsoft?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: You said, am I Microsoft investing a bunch of money

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Speaker 2: to help places that don't have any kind of sewer

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Speaker 2: access or like traditional septic access. So it's like a

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Speaker 2: new version of that or is that is that the

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Speaker 2: same story?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, you nailed it. Vaulted Deep collects manure, sewage,

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Speaker 3: and agricultural byproducts. How's that for euphemism? These things would

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Speaker 3: normally block up water ways, or they would rot in landfills.

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Speaker 3: So this company makes them into like an in and

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Speaker 3: out kind of milkshake, viscous substance, and then they bury

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Speaker 3: it about five thousand feet underground.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty it's pretty specific. Yeah, So shout out to Microsoft,

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Speaker 3: Shout out to burying your poop. We've got a lot

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Speaker 3: more stuff to get to. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 3: some crime, We're going to explore some just desserts abroad.

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Speaker 3: We're going to have a parable about MRIs, we might

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Speaker 3: talk about monks a little bit. But before we do

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Speaker 3: any of that, we've got a We've got a lot

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Speaker 3: lot of friends and neighbors, fellow conspiracy realists who are

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Speaker 3: perhaps fans of sports memorabilia. So what say we pause

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Speaker 3: for word from our sponsors and then deliver the mail

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Speaker 3: I think we must.

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Speaker 2: And we've returned. I can't stop thinking about burying a

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Speaker 2: And it feels like some kind of long game to

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Speaker 2: create geo thermal power. If you can put mass quantities

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've really been doing the new Donkey Kong game,

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Speaker 4: wherein you smash your way through the Earth's crust or

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Speaker 4: I'm just imagining now, Donkey, poor Donkey Kong encountering a vein.

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Speaker 3: Of poo pooh. We also Lord of the Rings. We

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Speaker 2: Well, guys, speaking of mass quantities of let's talk about

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Speaker 2: something that just came to light weirdly enough. If you

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Speaker 2: We have a few things that my dad has passed down,

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Speaker 2: It's not an active hobby for any of us. But

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Speaker 2: for people who are active in that hobby, they're always

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Speaker 4: A jersey, perhaps, some sort of like you know, game

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Speaker 3: Those are really big assigned artifact of some sort, right, yes.

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Speaker 2: And this basic concept of having a human being sign

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Speaker 2: and then you getting that thing puts you one step away,

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Speaker 2: less than one step away, one pen away from that

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Speaker 3: It's a reliquary. Yes, it's similar to it's similar to

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Speaker 3: religious adoration of saints. Yes, if we're being honest, because sport,

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Speaker 3: oh god, sport whatever, keep it at because sports become

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, I remember the like nineteen ninety two

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Speaker 2: I get that thing. Well, when you feel that way,

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Speaker 2: when you're interested in getting stuff like that, you really

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Speaker 3: You get it?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: You can put it on your wall, you can put

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Speaker 2: You could talk with your friends about it. That's the

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Speaker 2: real thing. That is a Jordan pair of tennis shoes.

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Speaker 2: I don't know Jan Chipper Jones.

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Speaker 3: That's the mit that Chipper Jones was using in the

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Speaker 4: Donnie Freeman's Dirty Gym sock.

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Speaker 2: My dad and I were just talking about it. I

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Speaker 4: It's cool, Matt. I do imagine they're at professional authenticatures

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Speaker 2: There are big companies that their entire job, their entire

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Speaker 2: Yes, very I would say, very difficult to exactly replicate.

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Speaker 2: Do, definitely, but there are a lot of people that

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Speaker 3: Wow, well he's not saving it for the swim back.

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Speaker 3: I think he's speaking maybe in past tense.

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Speaker 3: No, this is strange news to me. I don't know

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Speaker 3: Wow, there's a market for everything. All you have to

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Speaker 4: I saw a headline that included to real problematic letters,

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Speaker 3: what's a country you want to go to? Let's say, uh, Thailand, Okay, So.

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Speaker 3: will come into play when they give you that black

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Speaker 3: box price. So if Dylan is going on a round

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Speaker 3: trip to Thailand and then back to the States, that

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Speaker 3: price is going to be goosed a little bit. Since

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Speaker 3: we've been using the word goost, which I quite love. Really, Yeah,

439
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Speaker 3: is on, and let's talk a little bit about this

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Speaker 3: before we before we move on. I just think you

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Speaker 3: absolutely nailed it with the idea of things being a

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Speaker 3: black box. Now full disclosure, folks, Matt Nol and Dylan

443
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Speaker 3: and I have often had to dive into research for

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Speaker 3: booking a flight, you know what I mean. I remember

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Speaker 3: Noel specifically when you and I would be looking at

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Speaker 3: different airlines and we both knew that we had to

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Speaker 3: be somewhere by like Thursday.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, when the company is

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Speaker 4: paying for stuff, we do try to be thoughtful about that,

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Speaker 4: and of course when we're paying for it, we try

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Speaker 4: to be thoughtful. We just tend to try to be thoughtful,

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Speaker 4: and you typically do get goosed when you're buying too

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Speaker 4: close to the takeoff time.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah. So the concept here is that Delta

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Speaker 3: will have a pricing algorithm that they describe as a

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Speaker 3: super analyst, and it will constantly, continually calculate what price

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Speaker 3: point it takes for a passenger to book a seat,

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Speaker 3: or essentially, like put bluntly and undiplomatically, they're going to

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Speaker 3: figure out the maximum amount of money you will pay

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Speaker 3: for a trip. The company itself is portrayed this as

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Speaker 3: a matter of efficiency, a matter of convenience. Yet to

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Speaker 3: say that at part allowed for all our fellow travelers.

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Speaker 3: The concern is that this will be a kind of discrimination,

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Speaker 3: a new kind of discrimination that isn't really addressed in

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Speaker 3: the current laws of the United States.

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Speaker 4: So how okay, how is it targeting folks in a

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Speaker 4: discriminatory fashion?

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Speaker 3: Right? Right? It really depends on the vocabulary of information

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Speaker 3: or data that exist right in this system. So if we,

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Speaker 3: for instance, know that Matt Frederick is a guy who

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Speaker 3: always travels to meandmar in September, then will that price

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Speaker 3: for that known trip, Will it be higher? Will it

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Speaker 3: be lower? Because they want to keep them? I don't

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Speaker 3: you know. It's difficult because this is a precedent. The

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Speaker 3: discrimination is going to be financial socioeconomic discrimination, not necessarily

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Speaker 3: race creed ideology anything like that. These are very dangerous times.

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Speaker 4: I agree. I guess my counterpoint is that isn't it

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Speaker 4: already to a degree, Like you know, even being able

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Speaker 4: to fly Delta is financially discriminatory because it is inherently

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Speaker 4: more expensive than like budget airlines, and they do already

481
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Speaker 4: have access to your data if you're a frequent flyer

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Speaker 4: and booking directly through Delta and likely through other means

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Speaker 4: because it's ultimately at the end of the day going

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Speaker 4: to end up with Delta in terms of you know,

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Speaker 4: ticketing you so, aren't they already doing stuff like this?

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Speaker 4: And do we really have any transparency into the ticket

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Speaker 4: prices as it is? Are there any laws that require that?

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Speaker 4: Is this not inevitable?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: Those are great questions and I like the way you're

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Speaker 3: framing them, because we have to be honest. Travel aviation

492
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Speaker 3: especially is a commodity. It is not a human right,

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Speaker 3: similar to water or shelter food.

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Speaker 4: They depending on who you ask.

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Speaker 3: We're on the same page. No, everybody deserves certain things.

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Speaker 3: We know that there are there are opportunities for shenanigans here,

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Speaker 3: and the big concern is that aviation companies in general,

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Speaker 3: airlines will leverage this stuff not to be more efficient,

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Speaker 3: not necessarily to help their passengers, but instead to squeeze

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Speaker 3: as much financial blood from the stone as possible. If

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Speaker 3: we go to UH, folks like Sam Hollander, who's a

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Speaker 3: co founder at Autopilot, we'll see this put in pretty

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Speaker 3: simple terms. Sam says, quote, if Delta's AI knows you

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Speaker 3: consistently book premium cabins and expense through corporate accounts, why

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Speaker 3: would it not test higher price points. This algorithm will

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Speaker 3: identify customers with lower price sensitivity and adjust accordingly. Right, Okay,

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Speaker 3: So I.

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Speaker 4: Wait at basically saying like, if you can afford it,

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Speaker 4: they're going to get it out of you. Yes, that's

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Speaker 4: what lower price sensitivity means. Like, I don't really care.

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Speaker 4: I'm willing to throw down the extra. It doesn't mean

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Speaker 4: all that much to me.

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Speaker 3: Right, I am Jack's corporate expense account. There you go

514
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Speaker 3: kind of thing. Yeah, this is UH, this is something

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Speaker 3: that we'd love to hear more about, folks. We know

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Speaker 3: this is not just going to be limited to one usline.

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Speaker 3: This will probably roll out throughout the globe, and we

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Speaker 3: want to hear your take on this. We hope you

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Speaker 3: travel safely. We hope that you are very careful with

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Speaker 3: where you decide to go and how you decide to

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Speaker 3: get there, which means it's time for a segue. All right,

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Speaker 3: We've got to give you a breaking news story. Everybody

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Speaker 3: who has lived in the United States at some point

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Speaker 3: has thought should I live somewhere else? Especially in these

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Speaker 3: our current divisive times. A lot of our fellow US

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Speaker 3: residents have said, maybe there's a better place for me.

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Speaker 3: And this is the best way to introduce Derek Huffman,

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Speaker 3: a forty six year old man who moved to Russia

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Speaker 3: with his wife and his fortune children in search of

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Speaker 3: what he saw as traditional values to escape wokeism. UH

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Speaker 3: to do this, and Russia does have some programs we

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Speaker 3: discussed previously. They want people to immigrate there. UH. To

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Speaker 3: do this, Derek had to sign up for the Russian

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Speaker 3: military so that he could gain citizenship for himself, his spouse,

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Speaker 3: and his kids. Before we go on, do you want

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Speaker 3: to sign up for this program?

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Speaker 4: I'm listening.

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Speaker 3: You'll have my interest, now you have my attention or whatever.

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Speaker 3: However that so this guy, Derek Kuffman, he felt that

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Speaker 3: the Western world, the US in particular, was in doctrinating

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Speaker 3: the public with what he calls LGBT propaganda. So he

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Speaker 3: thought the world in which he lived was getting too woke.

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Speaker 3: He said that he had been just isolated and discriminated

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Speaker 3: against because his ideology was being suppressed, and so he

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Speaker 3: wrote to He learned about the Russian citizenship offers, and

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Speaker 3: he moved to Moscow from Texas. He joined the military,

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Speaker 3: and he got a guarantee in writing that he would

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Speaker 3: not be assigned to a combat position. Spoiler alert. He

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Speaker 3: was immediately put into a shake and bake program of

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Speaker 3: combat training. He was deployed to the front line.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Ben, this is ringing a bell now. We talked

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Speaker 4: about this program a while back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the ex pat sort of what's the word not clemency,

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Speaker 4: But I don't know a path to that given some

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Speaker 4: of the issues at play here in this country. Though.

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Speaker 4: Russia maybe is not the place that I would necessarily

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Speaker 4: want to hang my hat if I were trying to

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Speaker 4: escape this particular oppressive regime, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: It's sort of like out of the frying pan into

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Speaker 4: the fire kind of, if you ask me, literally, in

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Speaker 4: this guy's situation, very much into the fire.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, he got rushed into combat training immediately, and

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Speaker 3: it only got two weeks of training. His wife, Dianna Huffman,

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Speaker 3: said that her husband feels like he is being thrown

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Speaker 3: to the wolves and he is having to quote lean

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Speaker 3: on faith. This is terrible. I was talking with some

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Speaker 3: of our colleagues while I was on the road about

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Speaker 3: this story in particular, and the main thing we have

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Speaker 3: to remember is that those four, those four American born

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Speaker 3: children did not have the ability to consent. They're stuck

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Speaker 3: in a suburb of Russia right now with no clear

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Speaker 3: exit plan. Not great, not ideal. It's what we call

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Speaker 3: a non ideal situation. Derek Huffman is I think now

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Speaker 3: an icon. It's an example for the class about Russia's

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Speaker 3: visa program. The visa program. You'll love this. It's called

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Speaker 3: Shared Values, and the idea is it will allow foreigners,

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Speaker 3: non Russians, who are dissatisfied with their government for any reason,

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Speaker 3: to seek Russian residency so long as they agree with

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Speaker 3: the Kremlin's moral and spiritual principles. We hate the gays too,

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Speaker 3: something like that. I mean, honestly, it's culture worst up

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Speaker 3: is Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 4: I can't say I have too much empathy for the

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Speaker 4: guy in this particular situation. And we know we try

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Speaker 4: to exercise empathy even with folks that we don't agree with.

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Speaker 4: But kind of had it come in a little bit.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry I had you know I do have empathy

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Speaker 4: for Ben as I know you do, as well as

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Speaker 4: you mentioned as the kids, because they have no agency

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Speaker 4: in any of this.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it's some real fa f o stuff. That

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Speaker 3: is that like it's f around and find sorry, I

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Speaker 3: got you, you got it because we know that. Look,

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Speaker 3: we know that most people are not happy with their governments.

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Speaker 3: Just statistically that is true. But I love your frying

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Speaker 3: pan into the fire analogy.

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Speaker 4: Into the line of fire. I mean, yeah, find a

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Speaker 4: point on it.

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Speaker 3: But Jesus, yes, from the frying pan to the front lines, right,

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Speaker 3: this guy is this guy is not a unique case.

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Speaker 3: We are going to see a lot of international movement

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Speaker 3: or attempts of individuals and families to relocate across the globe.

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Speaker 3: And please, please, please, folks, let this be a parable,

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Speaker 3: Let this be a moral Make sure you know what

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Speaker 3: you are getting into. Check research as much as you can,

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Speaker 3: and if you are planning to live in a land

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Speaker 3: that is new to you, I'm just going to say it,

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Speaker 3: visit first treat it as though you would do the

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Speaker 3: same thing you would do if you were moving to

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Speaker 3: a different town in the same country. Yes, visit little weekend.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? You love Chicago? Will go

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Speaker 3: spend a weekend in Chicago during winter?

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Speaker 4: Try some Lord? Make sure? Oh my god, don't really don't.

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Speaker 3: Do you think anybody really likes Milord?

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Speaker 4: People say they do. My friend THEO says he does.

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Speaker 4: He bought me a bottle of it as sort of

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Speaker 4: a housewarming gift, and I don't drink that kind of

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Speaker 4: stuff anymore at all. But even when I did, that

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Speaker 4: was I would have had to be real many sheets

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Speaker 4: to the wind before I would take a nip off

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Speaker 4: of that bottle. How on earth anyone curious? It doesn't

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Speaker 4: know what we probably talked about him. The Lord is

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Speaker 4: a very Chicago centric liqueur or. I don't know if

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Speaker 4: you'd even call it that. That tastes the way vomit smells.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like have you ever witnessed a war crime

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Speaker 3: and wish it had had to taste Milord? Lord is

627
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Speaker 3: just straight not great. Give us your hot takes. I

628
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Speaker 3: think it's just nostalgia or team spirit for Chicago conspiracy

629
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Speaker 3: at iHeartRadio dot com. Please defend malort to us. Dylan

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Speaker 3: Tennessee Pall Fagan, shout out to you and your brother

631
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Speaker 3: in law. Dylan says, My brother in law says he

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Speaker 3: loves my Lord right like I said.

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Speaker 4: THEO says it as well.

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Speaker 3: I love THEO.

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Speaker 4: He also is a bit of edge. Lord is the

636
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Speaker 4: wrong words. He unironically likes a lot of terrible stuff.

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Speaker 3: You know. I'm friends with the.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well there you go, and then you

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Speaker 4: know what I'm talking about. He is also my short

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Speaker 4: short spirit animal spirit guide. Yeah. I look up to

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00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 4: him in many ways, and I love the man, and

642
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Speaker 4: I think nothing but the world of him. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know if one can truly

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Speaker 4: like my Lord.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, tell us your thoughts. Folks, Please describe the taste

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Speaker 3: of alert as you see it. Tell us if you

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Speaker 3: are a fan. We don't mean to cast aspersion on.

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Speaker 4: Anybody's no yucks of yums.

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Speaker 3: We don't know. Yu. Fine, I'm being so diplomatic, and yeah,

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Speaker 3: thank you for talking me back from the edge. We

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Speaker 3: don't have time to get to the Moldovan oligarch who

652
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 3: just got detained in Greece. I don't know how much

653
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 3: news that will make in the West, but he got

654
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 3: away with something like a billion dollars US. So we

655
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 3: are going to pause for a word from our sponsors.

656
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 3: We're gonna go in and out of Metallic Chain's MRIs

657
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 3: and of course Monks.

658
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 4: And we have returned, sadly no longer joined by our compatriot,

659
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 4: Matthew Frederick, who is having a lovely cabin get away

660
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 4: weekend with his family and apparently the internet the bed,

661
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 4: so he had to drop off. But I hope he's

662
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 4: playing some lovely Mario Kart arcade in the incredible game

663
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 4: room that this place is furnished with, so all the

664
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 4: love there to Matthew and his family. We are going

665
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 4: to start off. I'm going to start off with a

666
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 4: mild spoiler really quickly for a movie that's that's kind

667
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 4: of definitely within spoiler territory in terms of the statute limitation.

668
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 4: It is file Destination Bloodlines, which I thought was quite

669
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 4: a lot of fun, quite a romp, very funny, very gory, exciting.

670
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 4: I do recommend folks check it out. This is a

671
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 4: real life final destination kind of story. One of the

672
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 4: set pieces in the film involves an MRI machine. I'm

673
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 4: just going to leave it at that without spoiling any

674
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 4: more about the mechanics of that, because, as we all know,

675
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 4: the fun of those movies is seeing the way the

676
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 4: Rube Goldberg, you know, murder machines kind of play out.

677
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 4: This is also a sad story. I'm not I'm not

678
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 4: trying to make light of it. This is an individual

679
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 4: who has lost his life and left behind a wife

680
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 4: who is very much grieving. But lest you wonder if

681
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 4: this type of thing is possible, it apparently very much is.

682
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,479
Speaker 4: NBC reports man wearing heavy metallic necklace dies after being

683
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 4: sucked into MRI machine. A sixty one year old man

684
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 4: has died after he was sucked into a magnetic resonance

685
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 4: imaging machine a medical center while he was wearing a

686
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 4: heavy metal necklace. The man entered a room at Nasau

687
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Speaker 4: Open MRI in Westbury on New York's Long Island without

688
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 4: permission as the MRI machine was running. Nassau County Police

689
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 4: Department set His wife, who spoke to the BBC, said

690
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 4: that she had called him into the room after her

691
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 4: scan and his very heavy chain necklace. We're not talking

692
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 4: about like a little thin metal chain. We're talking about

693
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 4: the kind of heavy chain that you might use to

694
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 4: secure a bicycle, you know.

695
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a brack, it's like a bike chain.

696
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 3: We're talking pounds of weight.

697
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 4: I think that's right, twenty pounds in fact, nine kilos

698
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 4: if you are in the region where the BBC reports

699
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 4: from a chain with a lock that he used for

700
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 4: weight training. Seemed like a tough fella at that instant,

701
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 4: she said. The machine switched him around and pulled him in.

702
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 4: This is terrifying, and he hit the MRI. This comes

703
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 4: from Adrianne Jones McAllister. Victim was not named, however, she

704
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 4: told local TV say she didn't speak directly BBC there

705
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 4: reporting from News twelve Long Island that it was her husband, Keith,

706
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 4: who sadly passed away. She said the visit on the

707
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 4: sixteenth of July was not her and her husband's first

708
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 4: time at the facility. It was also not the first

709
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 4: time the employee had seen her husband's weight that he

710
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 4: used for training. She claimed an employee and her husband

711
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 4: previously quote had a conversation about it before. Oh that's

712
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 4: a big chain. It's a big chain right there.

713
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 3: And he used it for weight training. That's what we Seeah,

714
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 3: it was a decorative.

715
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 4: No, I know, it's interesting, it's true, Ben, I do

716
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 4: wonder you know, I mean, maybe it's someone who likes

717
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 4: to wear their swollness on their sleeve or on their neck.

718
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 4: You know, it's a little bit of a flex but

719
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 4: maybe it's an ongoing kind of weight training, you know,

720
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 4: to have that around your night to beef up those

721
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 4: those neck muscles. So makes sense. Not something that I'm

722
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 4: familiar with, but yeah, it's a sad thing that happened.

723
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 4: The BBC contacted Nasau open Mri for comment. I guess

724
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 4: the question a lot of people are asking is will

725
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 4: there be a lawsuit? You know, it does seem that

726
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 4: the gentleman went in there into a restricted area wearing this,

727
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 4: and I would imagine that there are waivers that are signed,

728
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 4: or that there's some understanding that you know, if you

729
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 4: trespass more or less into an unauthorized area, then you know,

730
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 4: it's kind of on you. What do you think, Ben,

731
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 4: do you think there's grounds for a lawsuit? We're going

732
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 4: to talk a little bit more about does this thing

733
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 4: happen often? In a second, right, there is precedent for this. Look,

734
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 4: we have accounts from other people who are MRI techs.

735
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 4: I'm thinking of at Nicole, the MRI tech literally her

736
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 4: name on social media. She shows how silver and gold

737
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 4: jewelry kind of similar to the lightweight gold necklace that

738
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 4: you wear, that's not going to cause a fatal injury

739
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 4: toward an MRI machine. But I think the question all

740
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 4: of us will have in the audience tonight is why

741
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 4: didn't the tech just turn off the MRI instantly? That

742
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 4: is a big question. And I imagine that there was

743
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 4: some you know, what's the word hustle involved, right, I mean,

744
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,439
Speaker 4: I can't imagine that there wouldn't be, but who knows.

745
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 4: There's a lot of reasons that might be the case.

746
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 4: I would also imagine or wonder why if not, that

747
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 4: there wasn't some sort of failsafe mechanism, you know, given,

748
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 4: But I guess I don't fully understand how that would

749
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 4: be implemented. Maybe it does require a manual shut off

750
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 4: because according to the US Food and Drug Administration this

751
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 4: is from the BBC, MRI machines have magnetic fields that

752
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 4: will attract magnetic objects of all sizes than when you

753
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 4: are going in for one of these things. The texts

754
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 4: and the personnel of the hospital have to be very

755
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 4: FASTIDI is making sure that you don't have any keys,

756
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 4: mobile phones, oxygen tanks for example, things like that that

757
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 4: could cause damage to the equipment or severe injury to

758
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 4: the patient or medical personnel, because this essentially could weaponize

759
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 4: these type of objects, turning them into projectiles. In two

760
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 4: thousand and one, a six year old boy did pass

761
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 4: away from a fractured skull at a New York City

762
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 4: medical center while undergoing an MRI after its magnetic force

763
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 4: propelled an oxygen tank across the room. So we're talking

764
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 4: magnedo level powers, you know, weaponizing all metal things in

765
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 4: the area. So something to follow, interesting to see, Interested

766
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 4: to see if there will be any follow up litigation

767
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 4: here and how that'll play out.

768
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it goes to folks. It goes to the

769
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 3: idea of Pharaoh magnetism. So in our earlier example, nol

770
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 3: with with your chain, the metals that are commonly used

771
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 3: to make jewelry, like silver, platinum, gold, those are not

772
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 3: feroh magnetic.

773
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 4: We're talking about particles right, largely right right.

774
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 3: Steel, scissors, oxygen tanks.

775
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 4: Alloys, things that have a mix of these types of metals.

776
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 3: Even tools, also bike chains. We would love to hear

777
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 3: from you folks, friends and neighbors about why the machine

778
00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 3: was not instantly turned off. Is there no kills? Which

779
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 3: is there no? As Noel mentioned built in safety safety mechanism.

780
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 3: But it's a tragedy all the way round.

781
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 4: For sure the US. So there's another piece from ABC

782
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 4: out of Australia. I believe this is that ABC. Now

783
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 4: this is something. This is a different ABC. It's an

784
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 4: Australian news agency, not the American broadcast company. They have

785
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 4: a piece about this case where they talk about the

786
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 4: risks of an MRI scan. The risks personally to an

787
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 4: individual in terms of the impact of the technology on

788
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 4: a body are really really low. It's not the same

789
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 4: as ionizing radiation that is used in X rays. It's

790
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 4: why this is a preferred mechanism for scanning folks or

791
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 4: even CT imaging. However, it does replace that with a

792
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 4: very very strong magnetic field, a field that can of

793
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 4: course extend well beyond the machine itself that can exert

794
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 4: forces on objects made of iron. To your point, been

795
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 4: some steels and other magnetizable objects. So it's important that

796
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 4: patients notify their doctors if they have any implants for example,

797
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 4: that could be problematic.

798
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent, similar to pacemakers and microwaves.

799
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 4: Correct, And this news agency ABC dot AU does report

800
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 4: a stat from the FDA again who we mentioned earlier

801
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 4: that about three hundred adverse events reports for MRI scanners

802
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 4: and coils each year from manufacturers, distributors and patients are

803
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 4: submitted to the FDA. And then, of course we mentioned

804
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 4: that tragic case of a six year old who had

805
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 4: his skull fractured by a very similar type of incident

806
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,959
Speaker 4: where a magnetic force propelled this oxygen tank.

807
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 3: Noel, have you ever had an MRI.

808
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 4: I have not. I think the claustrophobic nature of it

809
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 4: would would really stress me out. Have you been.

810
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 3: Yes? Actually I kind of dug it.

811
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 4: Doesn't it make a nice humming drone kind of sound

812
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 4: as well?

813
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 3: You know, claustrophobia aside. I know that's not everybody's jam.

814
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 3: It was kind of like a sensory deprivation take For me.

815
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 3: It was one of the few times where I didn't

816
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 3: have to constantly check on emails, so that alone made

817
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 3: it kind of a cool experience.

818
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, I can totally see that and you're reminding

819
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 4: me then that I need to have one of those

820
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 4: experiences myself, because I have been meaning to do a

821
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 4: float tank situation and we have places here in the

822
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,760
Speaker 4: Atland area to do that. So thanks for the reminder.

823
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 4: I'm going to put that to my list of new

824
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 4: experiences to experience. If you are looking for a new

825
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 4: experience to experience in the culinary fast food realm and

826
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 4: you haven't found yourself on the West Coast or Texas,

827
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 4: you might be in for a treat if you were

828
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 4: ever intrigued by the idea of In and Out Burger

829
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 4: from watching like The Big Lebowski or any other kind

830
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 4: of California lore. The good news here is that In

831
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 4: and Out the company that is untill now been exclusively

832
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 4: located their chain restaurants that make really delicious burgers. Their

833
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 4: fries are quite divisive, as we talked about with Dylan

834
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 4: off air. They're only located in the Pacific regions of

835
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 4: the US, and I think some in Texas as well. No,

836
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,439
Speaker 4: definitely some in Texas, but mainly it's a California company.

837
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 3: That's correct. It's due to their supply chain philosophy.

838
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 4: Which is a good thing. Frankly, I mean, it does

839
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 4: make for a fresher burger. They don't ship frozen beef.

840
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 4: That is a big part of it. So they insist

841
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 4: that their supply warehouses and facilities be within driving distance

842
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 4: of their restaurants. This that's not going to change, But

843
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 4: what will change is the potential for new in and

844
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 4: out franchises in the on the East Coast. Because the

845
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 4: billionaire owner and president and heir to the originators of

846
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 4: the California based burger chain in an out Burger has

847
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 4: announced their company is well. It's a little bit confusing

848
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 4: because initially on a podcast that she was on, she

849
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 4: made it sound like they were pulling up routes, pulling

850
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 4: up rude Vegas from California, which is where they got

851
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 4: their start, of course, and moving to Tennessee, moving their

852
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 4: corporate headquarters. That was the original reporting. However, that is

853
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 4: not the case. They are not picking up and completely

854
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 4: relocating all of their restaurants and headquarters and enfranchising offices,

855
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 4: et cetera to the East Coast. They are just expanding,

856
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 4: and I think that's good news for a lot of

857
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 4: burger fans out there because it really is, as John

858
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 4: Goodman would say, a tasty burger.

859
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Actually, we are on record being fans of

860
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 3: in and Out burgers. If okay, if the fries are controversial,

861
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 3: we can all agree with respect that Dylan that the

862
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 3: burgers slap.

863
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 4: We also had animal style.

864
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, animal style is nice. The secret menu thing might

865
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 3: be a fun pop culture episode for us to do

866
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 3: on stuff they don't want you to know in the future.

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Speaker 3: We also need to hear your favorite local fast food

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Speaker 3: sleeper hits. This is very much again.

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Speaker 4: Can we talk about the ones you mentioning Ben Air ones?

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Speaker 3: Yes, so. Examples would be Pals. Pals is a legendary

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Speaker 3: fast food place in h in the part of the

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Speaker 3: world where Dylan and I have roots. Their fries are amazing.

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Speaker 3: They made some Dylan, how would we say it our

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Speaker 3: style of fry. We're talking cartoonishly specific aesthetic choices.

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Speaker 4: A crinkled cut fry. We're talking to curly. I gotta

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Speaker 4: yeah for this.

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Speaker 3: Matt's back, Hey, Matt, oh.

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Speaker 2: Boy, Hey, sorry about that, guys. Cabin Wi Fi is

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Speaker 2: a tricky one. What we made it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we did. So we're talking about the aesthetics of

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Speaker 3: regional fast food sleeper hits, referencing Pals of course, out

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Speaker 3: in East Tennessee. The aesthetic of the place is cartoonishly specific.

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Speaker 3: I'm being diplomatic. We're talking about a big, big fiberglass

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Speaker 3: anthology of sculptures in every pals location you run to us.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking up some images now, yeah.

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Speaker 3: They're great and no all to your question regarding the fries,

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Speaker 3: we're looking at more a thin shoe string heavily seasoned fry's.

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Speaker 4: It's a good I love a seasoned fry, and they

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Speaker 4: refer to them in the Pal's parlance. Let's talk about

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Speaker 4: sudden service in a minute too. By the way, as

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Speaker 4: frenchy fries the frenchy fries. What is this sudden service

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Speaker 4: methos philosophy? Sounds aggressive, right? You mentioned that previously a

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Speaker 4: fair too.

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Speaker 3: Uh, Pal's sudden service is this idea? You know what?

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Speaker 3: It's marketing, I'll say it. It's marketing. It means that

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Speaker 3: you it's always a drive through place, like a checker's. Maybe.

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Speaker 3: So it means that you don't have to wait in

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Speaker 3: the drive through line that long, you don't have to

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Speaker 3: pull over.

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Speaker 4: Just suddenly your service.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just like oh I want a burger is granted. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Did you see they also have a thought I was

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Speaker 2: about to make today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I have.

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Speaker 4: And they have something called a sauce burger. It's great.

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Speaker 3: It slaps.

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Speaker 4: It's a top all beef patty with Pal's famous sauce

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Speaker 4: ketchup based mildly spicy.

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Speaker 3: Did you know? Okay, I don't want to get political here,

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Speaker 3: but I was watching an interview with the former president

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Speaker 3: Barack Obama and he said, with a full straight face.

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Speaker 3: He sounded very serious. He said that he doesn't believe

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Speaker 3: anybody over the age of eight should he catch up?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the Chicago thing too. I mean, like, should

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Speaker 4: catch up on a dog in Chicago is for boten

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Speaker 4: mustard only.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. Actually I was talking with good friend

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Speaker 3: of the show, chef Ben about this, and you guys know, Ben,

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Speaker 3: I hope it's okay if I say this. Our chef

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Speaker 3: has some experience in the Chicago area.

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Speaker 4: We had a land area.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we had a pretty illuminating conversation about the hot

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Speaker 3: dog high hierarchy. We also, to your earlier question, we

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Speaker 3: mentioned Buddy's Barbecue out there in Tennessee. I just feel

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Speaker 3: like America is great for this. There are so many weird, regional,

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Speaker 3: amazing chains and franchises.

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Speaker 4: I do think it's funny too, how Like, you know,

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Speaker 4: on the East Coast it's called what is it Parties?

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Speaker 4: On the West coast it's Carl's Junior.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's a confusing one. That's a conspiracy as well, Matt.

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Speaker 2: We were so wait, why are we talking about all

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Speaker 2: of this stuff?

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Speaker 4: Guys?

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Speaker 2: What's happened?

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Speaker 3: So much happened while you were while you were a

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Speaker 3: hunting with the WiFi. Sorry, we know you were playing

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Speaker 3: Mario Kart.

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Speaker 2: No dude, but my cousin came up here and got

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Speaker 2: like thirteen million on this Simpsons pinball machine and I

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Speaker 2: was like, I, guys, I know you're you're doing really good,

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Speaker 2: but I think the WiFi just came on and he's like,

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Speaker 2: oh okay, and he turned it off reluctantly. It was

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Speaker 2: like crazy.

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Speaker 4: And the good news is we're about to wrap so

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Speaker 4: you can get back to it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we would, uh, we have pitched each other an

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Speaker 3: episode idea pop culture conspiracy episode on Oh dang it, No,

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Speaker 3: we nailed it just a few minutes ago. What was

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Speaker 3: our pop Oh secret menus, secret menu.

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Speaker 4: Your menus? Yeah, and talking just in general, Matt, to

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Speaker 4: answer your question about how In and Out Burger is

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Speaker 4: expanding to the Northeast with a new, uh huge corporate

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Speaker 4: office in Tennessee. I don't think I got into exactly

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Speaker 4: where it is going to be near Nashville. And also

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Speaker 4: the CEO is moving there with her family, and that

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Speaker 4: was a big part of or a source of some

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Speaker 4: of the hubbub online with folks accusing her of abandoning

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Speaker 4: her root. She's born and raised in northern California, and

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Speaker 4: obviously In and Out has been a California staple for generations.

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Speaker 4: So she did come back in and clarify after some

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Speaker 4: of these out of context things taken from this podcast

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Speaker 4: interview that she did that they are not relocating, they

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Speaker 4: are not pulling up their roots in California. They're simply expanding,

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Speaker 4: which makes a whole lot of sense. She did make

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Speaker 4: some comments about how she wants her associates to be

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Speaker 4: able to own homes, and In and Out does, you know,

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Speaker 4: have a reputation for treating their associates very well, you know,

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Speaker 4: with fair pay and benefits and things like that. And

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Speaker 4: so she did make some somewhat negative comments about the

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Speaker 4: California economy, about how difficult it is to own a

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Speaker 4: home there. So she wants to give, you know, folks

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Speaker 4: who are working for the company the opportunity to move

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Speaker 4: up that American dream letter, which I can respect. That's awesome.

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Speaker 2: We heard good things I remember about what's the chicken

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Speaker 2: chain at the Workaholics guys quadruple handedly got from California

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Speaker 2: raising Caines. Yeah, we've heard good things about you know,

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Speaker 2: other companies that have moved their way east who tend

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Speaker 2: to have those kinds of practices where you're actually gonna

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Speaker 2: give your employees a livable wage. Pretty dopey.

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Speaker 3: Great IDEA quick trip is another example. Going back to

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Speaker 3: our gas station truck stop episodes and discourse, I am

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Speaker 3: so excited you guys to hear about these regional sleeper

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Speaker 3: hit restaurants and fast food places. Also, I want to

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Speaker 3: take a moment for all our fellow Tennesseeans and shout

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Speaker 3: out my brother Dylan for mentioning doctor Enough. It's the

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Speaker 3: soda you will love that you've never heard about. Look

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Speaker 3: it up. It's spelled e ed uf on purpose.

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Speaker 2: Whoa like, it's the def beer of enough doctor soda.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, step aside, sheer wine. You've had your time in

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Speaker 3: the sun.

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Speaker 2: Well, guys, did you already talk about the MRI.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Matt, we'll talk a little bit off air, but

993
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Speaker 4: we did kind of get into this idea of the

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Speaker 4: precedent being said and if there may or may not

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Speaker 4: be a lawsuit coming down the pike, and also how

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Speaker 4: this is a real life example of something that happened

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Speaker 4: in a recent horror movie and it is a sad story,

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Speaker 4: but it is something that I think is definitely captures

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Speaker 4: the imagination. It is possible, this is something that people

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Speaker 4: should be aware of and be very careful. And I'm

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Speaker 4: curious as to whether the hospital will be held liable.

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Speaker 3: That's a question where Also, Matt, another thing we've got

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Speaker 3: to talk about off air, this AI pricing for airlines,

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Speaker 3: the dynamic pricing that Delta is rolling out. I didn't

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Speaker 3: mention this earlier, but I see the shadow of data

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Speaker 3: aggregation and perhaps vallunteer.

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Speaker 2: Delta's doing.

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Speaker 3: Delta's doing it. Bro. Yeah, and with that, folks, we

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Speaker 3: are off to adventures. We want to know your opinion

1010
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Speaker 3: of dynamic pricing and how much of a problem or

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Speaker 3: opportunity you see with these companies gathering so much information

1012
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Speaker 3: about you. Do you think Microsoft is right to spend

1013
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 3: billions of dollars bearing poop? Would you right get it

1014
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Speaker 3: out of here? Would you move to Russia? What is

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Speaker 3: your experience with Mr I's tell us your favorite sports memorabilia.

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Speaker 3: We're going to get to a scandal with monks in

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Speaker 3: Thailand a little bit later in the coming weeks. For now,

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Speaker 3: we can't wait to hear from you again. Cannot over

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Speaker 3: emphasize this. Forget all of the other things happening in

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Speaker 3: the world right now. Your main priority is to tell

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Speaker 3: us your favorite regional sleeper hit fast food franchise. You

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Speaker 3: can find us online. You can send us an email,

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Speaker 3: you can give us it's a call.

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Speaker 4: Correct. You can do all of those things by finding

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Speaker 4: us online at the handle conspiracy Stuff, where we exist

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Speaker 4: on Facebook with our Facebook group Here's where it gets

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Speaker 4: crazy where you Yes, you can get in on the

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Speaker 4: conversation with your fellow conspiracy realists. We are also conspiracy

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Speaker 4: Stuff on x FKA, Twitter and on YouTube. We have

1030
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Speaker 4: video content galore for you to enjoy on Instagram and TikTok. However,

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Speaker 4: we're Conspiracy Stuff Show and there's more, and Matt's back

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Speaker 4: to tell you about it.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, we have a phone number. It is one

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Speaker 2: eight three three std WYTK. When you call in, know

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Speaker 2: that you're inside a voicemail. It's exciting that you're in there.

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Speaker 2: It's a little weird. But while you're in there, why

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Speaker 2: not give yourself a cool nickname and let us know

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Speaker 2: if we can use your name and message on the air.

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Speaker 2: If you've got words to send us, maybe links, hyper links,

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Speaker 2: maybe even attachments, why not instead send us a good

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Speaker 2: old fashioned email.

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Speaker 3: We are the entities that beat each piece of correspondence

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Speaker 3: we receive. Be well aware, Yet Una Fred sometimes writes back,

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Speaker 3: what are we talking about? Is it true that if

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Speaker 3: you send us a note, you make it a note

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Speaker 3: in return? There's one way to find out conspiracy at

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