1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger. 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: On the side, we are two working parents who love 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to Best of both Worlds. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: and time for fun. From figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to Best of Both Worlds. 10 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode one hundred and fifty seven. 11 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: Today we are going to be talking about Best Laid Plans, 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,639 Speaker 1: which is Sarah's wonderful new podcast on all things planners 13 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: and planning. We're also going to be answering a few 14 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: more listener questions that came in through our Instagram account, 15 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 1: which is Best of Both Worlds podcasts. So Sarah tell 16 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: us all about the exciting launch Best Laid Plans. Yeah, 17 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm very nervous because now the pressure is 18 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: on since I we are recording this before you know, 19 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: I did get the okay from the we're working with 20 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 1: the I'm working with the exact same group that Laura 21 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: and I have been working with for Best of Both Worlds. 22 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: So I do feel very confident that they know what 23 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: they're doing, and then I kind of know what I'm doing, 24 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: which is kind of cool to be at that point 25 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: where I'm like, actually, I do know the pieces that 26 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: it takes to launch a podcast. And it's funny because like, 27 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: you accumulate that kind of knowledge without realizing that you are, 28 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: because I know that it can seem very daunting, but 29 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I do kind of know how 30 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: to do this. So I'm working with the same group 31 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: and they have told me that we are going to 32 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: be good for a launch on Monday, August third. I 33 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 1: have a couple of little pieces to put in place, 34 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: but all my first three episodes have been recorded, so 35 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: that part is done and I'm going to be releasing 36 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: two of the first episodes on the launch date. So 37 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: tell us why you decided to do this and what 38 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: exactly listeners are in for when they when they tune in. Yeah, 39 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: so this is not a replacement Best of Both Worlds. 40 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: They're very different content focused podcasts. But you guys know 41 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: how excited I get when we've done our planner related episodes, 42 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: like we had a plan of Palooza in I think 43 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,119 Speaker 1: our first year, and then we did a part two, 44 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: and I just have so much fun talking about those 45 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: topics and writing about them on my blog, and there's 46 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: been at least a small demand for more of that content. 47 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: And while writing about it is fun and I do 48 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: it and I can show pictures and everything, I felt 49 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: like it would also be really fun to talk about. 50 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: And I do listen to a few solo podcasters who 51 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: help me feel like it's possible to have an engaging 52 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: podcast with that kind of content. So instead of being 53 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: you know, about just life and work and making it 54 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: all happen, like this podcast is going to continue to be, 55 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: this one is going to be about planning strategies, planning practices, 56 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: and then the actual tools we love to use while 57 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 1: doing so, so the actual paper products that I love 58 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: and love to learn about, as well as a focus 59 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: on some other you know, planning philosophies and techniques that 60 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: I will bring in guests periodically for. But I don't 61 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: plan on having guests quite as often as we do 62 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: on this podcast, in part just because I don't want 63 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: to sign myself up for more than I you know, 64 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to buy more than I can choose, 65 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 1: so to speak, And I know that, you know, planning 66 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: and recording a podcast on my own is something that 67 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: can be done in a really reasonable amount of time, 68 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: but it takes more work to coordinate with a guest. 69 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: And also because I'm hoping, hoping that my voice is 70 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: going to add something and that I'll have enough to 71 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: talk about, and I can always revisit that and change 72 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: the structure if I don't. Now the plan is to 73 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: be weekly. Correct, Yes, So my tentative structure as it 74 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: stands right now is basically to have one week of 75 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: the month be just like about planning techniques of some kind, 76 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: the second week of the month to be about some 77 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: beloved product or system, the third week of the month 78 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: to be a guest and then and by the way, 79 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: the product or system could be like a review, like 80 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: maybe I'll order something to try and kind of go 81 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: through a deep dive of what makes it good, who 82 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: could use it, what's functional about it, what's not? Again, 83 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: the third week would be our guest one, and then 84 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: the fourth is going to be like a mailbag Q 85 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: and A. Because recently I've listened to some podcasts that 86 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: I've enjoyed, then incorporate that, and it feels like there's 87 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: never any end to great questions on certain topics, and 88 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: I think planning is no exception to that. And then 89 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: if there's a bonus fifth month, fifth week and a 90 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: given month, I don't know, TBD, maybe another technique or 91 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: maybe some kind of concept deep dive, we will see excellent, 92 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: sounds great. Well, I plan to subscribe, and I hope 93 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: that everyone listening to this will do so as well 94 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: and pick up some great planning techniques and maybe discover 95 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: a love of washy tape and markers. Oh, I hope. So. 96 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: So it's going to be available on all the platforms 97 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: including like Spotify, and it should be on Apple, and 98 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: it should be on Stitch and all that. Fully that 99 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: will go off without a hitch. And as this airs, 100 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: that podcast will have launched, hopefully yesterday, So that means, 101 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: as you're listening to this, you can go ahead and 102 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: search for it. And it's called Best Laid Plans with 103 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: Sarah Hartunger, but I believe Best Laid Plans should hopefully 104 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: pull it up. It has a picture of little notebook 105 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: on it. If you're looking for the graphic and the 106 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: first two episodes that are available are episode one, which 107 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: is just kind of a hello and my planner journey, 108 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: and episode two, which is a deep dive into my 109 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: weekly review process. So I hope those are a good 110 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: kickoff and you can look forward to having some guest 111 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: episodes in the future. Oh and if you have suggestions 112 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: for guests, I am wide open. I can imagine having, 113 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: you know, bullet journal experts from Instagram. I can imagine 114 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: having somebody who manufacturers planners, or someone who really has 115 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: a unique planning technique that they talk about or teach about. 116 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: So I'm open to all angles of this, and if 117 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: you have a thought or want to pitch yourself, please 118 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: let me know. Yeah, so please is check that out. 119 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: I'm very excited about the launch. It's always good to 120 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: hear Sarah's new stuff that goes out into the world. 121 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 1: So let's all go and subscribe to that right now, 122 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: thank you. I think it's just going to be fun, 123 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 1: you know. I have no idea where it's going to 124 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: go or how long it will last, but no matter what, 125 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 1: I feel like it's going to be worth playing with. 126 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: So podcasting is fun. People, like, you know, yeah, you 127 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: should all do it. It's work. It's also work, like 128 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: it's not. It's fun. It's structured fun. You use your brain, 129 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: you get to you know, get your voice out into 130 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: the world. You get to hear other people's voices. And 131 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: that's actually Laura and I love that by the way, 132 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: she will forward me and I will forward her, like 133 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: if we hear from one of you guys and how 134 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: something we said either helped or you know, made you 135 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: think in a different way. And when you write back 136 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: to us, we absolutely like if it gets sent to 137 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: one of us, we forward it to the other one. 138 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: A are like, hey, look at this. It makes us 139 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: very happy. So that's a very fun thing about podcasting, 140 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: very much. All right, Well, let's go back into our 141 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: listener Q and A because we got a ton of 142 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: great questions over on our Instagram account, so we did 143 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: several last week. We're going to go ahead and start 144 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: up where we left off. So, Sarah, we are four months, 145 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: five months whatever it is into this pandemic. Any habits 146 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: that you're hoping to keep as life returns back to normal. Yeah, 147 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: so there definitely are some habits that I think will 148 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: probably stick. I've been very into taking walks outside in 149 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: the middle of my work day, whether I'm at home 150 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: or at work in my medical office building, and I 151 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: think that's going to continue. It was like, Oh, I 152 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: have permission to do this, like somehow now that they'll 153 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: like button seat expectation. Oh it's thundering. I don't know 154 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: if you can hear that, but that's right here too. Parly, 155 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: it's the holiest coast I don't know. That is why 156 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: walking outside in Florida in the summer can be a 157 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: little difficult, but when it's weather permitting, it's a nice 158 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: way to get a break in my day. So that's 159 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: been a new kind of pandemic really to have it. 160 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: I will say that working more remotely in general, just 161 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: with a lot one, just as many companies have kind 162 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: of embraced that for their employees. I'm hoping that my 163 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: institution will allow me to continue to do some of 164 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: my non clinical work in a remote setting if I 165 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: want to, because it does take time to commute, and 166 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: if I can remove that from my day, then I 167 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: can actually get more done. And I think I've spoken 168 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: before about how sometimes during my GMME time, my clinical 169 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: stuff will just encroach upon it just because I'm there. Well, 170 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: being at home has really helped that not be so 171 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: much of an issue, and I find that I'm actually 172 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 1: able to sometimes be more productive than I would have 173 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: been in my office. So I think that I will 174 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 1: continue to do more work remotely when possible. So Tellenthealth, Yeah, 175 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: I think patients really like it. It's more convenient, and 176 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 1: while I don't think it's going to for place in 177 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: person visits, I think it's going to be something that's 178 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: here to stay. And finally, I have developed a habit 179 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: of using a bullet journal because I felt like the 180 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: flexibility and the ability to focus on day at a 181 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: time was even more conducive to pandemic living than my 182 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: normal planning methods, although if we're being fair, my prior 183 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: planner probably could have done just a good at the job. 184 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: I think it's just been more fun to experiment with 185 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: a different medium. But I think it's going to be 186 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: here to stay. I really enjoy doing it, and you know, 187 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,839 Speaker 1: adding additional pages and I don't know, it's been like 188 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: a fun, relaxing hobby for me on the side, so 189 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: I don't think that's going anywhere. Very cool. We've started, 190 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: you know, we order in for dinner on Thursdays, and 191 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 1: I think that may continue as a new habit. We 192 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: never had much of a takeout or delivery habit before, 193 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: but you know, it's been kind of nice to have 194 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: that going. And we've actually been using the sun Basket kits, 195 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: one of our sponsors that we use those, and that's 196 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: been kind of fun to have that. We may keep 197 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: going with that past the pandemic as well. How about 198 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: things you want to stop doing. There are things that 199 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: you've changed as a result you've stopped doing with the 200 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,599 Speaker 1: pandemic that you don't plan to resume. Got me to 201 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: go first, Okay, going not. I don't want to stop 202 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: date nights necessarily, but I think I don't miss them 203 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 1: nearly as much as I thought I might, So I'm 204 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: going to be looking forward to us probably reducing those 205 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: in the future. Especially we used to do a lot 206 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 1: of going out to nice restaurants and hiring a babysitter, 207 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: and those evenings could easily run three hundred dollars between 208 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: the cost of a Miami restaurant and you're well compensated childcare. 209 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: So I think that's just not going to be something 210 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: we do as a matter of routine, so that's going 211 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: to be different. I think I am committed to not 212 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: overscheduling the kids. The abrupt stop in everything just made 213 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: me realize that I think we were trying to do 214 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: too much and I don't think it was really benefiting anyone. 215 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: So that has been a really important lesson learned. And 216 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: then finally, I have noticed that a lot of meetings 217 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: have gotten a lot shorter now that they're held in 218 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: virtual format, and it seems like people are more willing 219 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: to cancel something if there's really nothing to talk about, 220 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: because I think there's maybe something about not having the 221 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: sunk cost of having reserved a room and like the 222 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: idea that people have carved out time to go to 223 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: a specific spot. So I'm hoping that we can stop 224 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: having long standing meetings, although again not entirely under my control. Yeah, 225 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: I mean the overscheduling kids thing is such a hard 226 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: one because you can wind up overscheduled when you have 227 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: lots of kids, even though any individual kid isn't doing 228 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: anything that is over the top. I think I will 229 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: definitely have no interest in pushing them to do stuff 230 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 1: they don't want to do. My interest in arguing people 231 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: into the car is minimal, but the problem is sometimes 232 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: other kids have to get argued into the car for 233 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: a sibling going somewhere. So yeah, I recognize that's just 234 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: going to be part of life again, and I will 235 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: just try to view this break from it as a positive. 236 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 1: And I but the kids are so looking forward to 237 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: having more time with friends and Slutch in the future, 238 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: so you know they miss that as well. So you 239 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: mentioned little life luxuries you recently cut out. This is 240 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: another question from a listener since Sarah has been a 241 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: little bit more on fire as it were, and really 242 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: the financial independence to retire early, well at least just 243 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: thinking about budgeting more seriously, right, Yes, yes, well, I'd 244 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: say what we've cut out is as I said, date nights, travel, 245 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: but I miss it, so I don't plan on leaving 246 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: that out of my life long term or our family life. 247 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: One thing that I actually, I will say, I'm not 248 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: sure is worth the prior effort and expense with Salon 249 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: Manny Petties, because I can do a barely approximate I'm 250 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: working on in my skills and I'm not quite as good. 251 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: But honestly, I'm not sure I'm like fifty dollars less 252 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: good so I think, yeah, maybe I'll become a home 253 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: manicure artist. That sounds good. Yeah, we're not doing date 254 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: nights right now either, but I really do hope to 255 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: add those back in, so it's not a luxury I'm 256 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: cutting out forever. All right, Well, let's take a short 257 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: break and we'll be right back. So we're answering a 258 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: bunch of listener questions in addition to earlier in this episode, 259 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: we were talking about Sarah's new podcast, Best Laid Plans. 260 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: Please go check that out if you haven't already, I'll 261 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: listener wrote in with what are your tips for a 262 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: great home workstation set up? So this is, you know, 263 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: different for everyone, kind of depends what kind of work 264 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: you are doing. You definitely need a desk, you need 265 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 1: a chair, you need hopefully some light. Being by a 266 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: window is really helpful for not feeling like the world 267 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: is ending a door to your office if at all possible, 268 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: and if you have one that locks nice, definitely good. 269 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: But beyond that, I think a lot of it is 270 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: more based on your preferences and what kind of work 271 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 1: you do. Sarah, you have an additional monitor, right, Why 272 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: did you wind up doing that? For our medical chart 273 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: stuff for our electronic medical record. The laptop is very 274 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: bad because it's designed for a wide screen, and also 275 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: a lot of times it's helpful for me to have 276 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: two screens in addition to the screen where I see 277 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: my patients, because like for my diabetes patients, I can 278 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: be doing my notes in the large EMR screen, I 279 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: will be looking at the patient's download information on my 280 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: small screen, and then actually looking at the patient on 281 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: my phone screen. So I do sometimes have all three 282 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: going at once, and I found that that setup is 283 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: actually pretty good. It is not an expensive setup. So 284 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: my laptop is expensive because I invested in a nice 285 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: laptop years ago, but that wasn't specific to this. This 286 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: is I have like a wide screen, pretty cheap HP 287 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: monitor and just a cable that connects to my laptop 288 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: that allows the image to be shown on two screens 289 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: so I can move windows around and then we actually 290 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: use our EMR interface allows for you to chat with 291 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: patients on the phone, and I find that works just fine. 292 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: I just set it up kind of to the side, 293 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: and they know I'm looking back and forth at them 294 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: and typing notes just like I would be in person, 295 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: so they don't care that I'm not staring at their 296 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: face the whole time. Yeah, and it works. I don't 297 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: use a microphone I have it needed to, although I 298 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: was just thinking like, oh, maybe that would help my 299 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: patients hear me more clearly. I don't know. Yeah, so 300 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: that's my setup. I mean I have two microphone setups, 301 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: one for the solo podcasts and then one for this 302 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: that plugs into the laptop, since I just use recording 303 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: equipment for the other podcast not on my laptop. But yeah, 304 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: you know, just anything you can do to have some 305 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: privacy and to be comfortable. I think that's a key 306 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: thing because a lot of people when they first started 307 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: working for Home in March, like grabbed whatever was available. 308 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: And there are people like I need a flat surface 309 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: and a chair. Let me use my dining room table 310 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: or let me use my kitchen table. But there are 311 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: some downsides to that. I mean a that those chairs 312 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: may not be comfortable long term. You probably can't close 313 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: the door to your kitchen in the way that you 314 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: could with say a bedroom, even if you have to know, 315 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: some people are like, oh, I don't like the idea 316 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: of working in my bedroom, but if that's the only 317 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: place that has light, and a door that locks. You 318 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: may be better off there and just try to do 319 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: what you can to not look at your bed or 320 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: to you know, close off your workstation for when you 321 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: want to sleep and relax. Then to try to have 322 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: a less good space just so that you are avoiding 323 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: that bedroom problem. Yeah, and I agree comfortable is key 324 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: because this is no longer a stopgap measure. I think 325 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: we all have to accept that this is this is 326 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: now just your your regular work from home setup, not 327 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: some sort of emergency contingency plan. All right, Number twelve, 328 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: I would direct the person to check out our episode 329 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: on this tap we had a guest. Oh my gosh, 330 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: I'm blanking on her name, but I'm going to look 331 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: it up while you're talking on managing energy. Yes, thank you, 332 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: Molly Fletcher. So what tips other than the great tips 333 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: that Mollie gave us do you have for managing energy? 334 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: So we are both big fans of doing the hard 335 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 1: stuff in the morning. Now what time of morning maybe 336 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: a different matter depending on when you wake up, but 337 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: most people have more discipline and energy and focus in 338 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: the morning. You have that cup of coffee, You're like, yes, 339 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: I can conquer the world, So use that conquering the world, 340 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: feeling on stuff that matters. Usually going through your inbox 341 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: may not be the best use of that high octane 342 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: morning energy, Whereas you can do those sort of inbox 343 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: cleaning tasks at two thirty in the afternoon when you're 344 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: feeling a little bit more of the h and you 345 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: won't be able to tackle your big, tough work, but 346 00:17:55,880 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: you can respond to easy, easy messages and take breaks. Right, 347 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: how are you sort of managing your breaks? Do you 348 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: look at your calendar and see where it can fit 349 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: in or what do you do? Absolutely I think about 350 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: because for me, my best break in the day is 351 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: going outside if I can do it, because that's just 352 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: something I found helps my concentration and mental health. So 353 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,239 Speaker 1: that is what I look for when I look at 354 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: my patient's schedule and what I'm doing with the kids, etc. 355 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: Are like, hey, where can I go outside for a 356 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: minute and take a walk. And so that often has 357 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: to be after the traditional lunch hour because a lot 358 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: of times I have meetings that are like twelve fifteen 359 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: to one, And it's funny because there's this little part 360 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: of me that's like, oh, but it's one o'clock, Like 361 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 1: that's work time, that's not break time. But if you 362 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: just went to a meeting from twelve fifteen to one, 363 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: you were working. So I think we all have to 364 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: remind ourselves that, like, we're not designed to sit down 365 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: and work for nine hours straight, and nobody really probably 366 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: expects you to, so please yeah, break. And I would 367 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: challenge people to rethink those stories you're telling yourself too, 368 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: Like where did you get that story that like one 369 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: o'clock you absolutely have to be working or I don't 370 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: know the world will fall apart, I'll get fired, and 371 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: I don't know what'll happen. So you know, if you're 372 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: a professional, you're getting your job done. You don't have 373 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: to stare at the computer screen all day, and in 374 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: many cases you're probably better off not doing so, Like 375 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: if you're trying to get yourself in a better headspace 376 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 1: for answering a difficult question or for coming up with 377 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: a good idea, in many cases, it helps to remove 378 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 1: some of those inputs and do something that is effortless 379 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 1: and habitual, like walking, driving, that can help you get 380 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: a good idea, solve those problems you were trying to do. 381 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: And I will say it's very easy to take almost 382 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: zero steps in your day when you're working from home, 383 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: and I think that can add to the very sluggish, 384 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: like the feeling at the end of the day. So 385 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: I do think making some sort of effort to move 386 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: around in some fashion will help your energy. Yeah, all right, 387 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: so kids, books and non device activity ideas. First of all, 388 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: let's say that devices and screens are not horror. I think, 389 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: you know, made our peace with having a few more 390 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: hours devoted to those activities than you would if the 391 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: kids were in school or camp all day. And that's 392 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: you know whatever. Like probably a lot of the gen 393 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: X types so could recall having come home from school 394 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: at three o'clock and watching TV until like six thirty 395 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: and it didn't kill them. So, oh my god, I 396 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: just had flashbacks to like all the shows that I 397 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,959 Speaker 1: would pick and watch in a row. And I'm sure 398 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: I'm not the only one. That's so funny, I will say, 399 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: I think there's like there's like a balance, and I 400 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,719 Speaker 1: think this person they actually know. I don't know if 401 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: I know this particular person, but somebody like me, I 402 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: absolutely like we probably give a thousand versions exactly. I've 403 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: accepted screen time as a reality. But then I also 404 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: am like, well, at some point, it's probably good to 405 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: have some alternatives, just because if my kids are on 406 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: the screen for eleven hours on the day, that's probably 407 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 1: a little over the toughts and nobody needs ideas for 408 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 1: a screen time that parts easy. I do think it's 409 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: helpful to come up with a structure that you're happy 410 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: with so and that your kids are no is the structure, 411 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: so you're not continuing to negotiate. Like, my kids know 412 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: they can watch screens starting at one pm and it's 413 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: pretty much a free for all until dinner these days. 414 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,479 Speaker 1: To be completely honest, sometimes I drag them outside at 415 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: four or five pm, but that means that they're not 416 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: watching screens in the hours before that, and so it's 417 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: like kind of I don't know, nice to have boundaries. 418 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: Of course, the age of your children is going to 419 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: impact those kinds of decisions and ability to control so ideas. 420 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: I mean, my kids are getting a little bit more 421 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: into books, which is so like duh, obviously that's a 422 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 1: good nonscreen activity, but you do have to make sure 423 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: to have good books around, and that can be something 424 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: that you forget. So I mean I would check out 425 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 1: your online bookstore. I would check out the library if 426 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: they're doing curbside pickup or other kinds of pickup. Ours is, 427 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: which is amazing. So I recently like put in an order. 428 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: I used a list that I found of books with 429 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 1: like more diverse characters, so I could fine. I don't know, 430 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: I just I've been more conscious of kind of what 431 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 1: my kids' books look like, and I want them to 432 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: be more varied. And so I just got a bunch 433 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: of books and they loved it. They love having a 434 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: haul of new things. In particular, Annabelle has been reading 435 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: the Magnificent Maya Tibbs series by Crystal Allen, who is 436 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: a black woman and the protagonist is a cute, little 437 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: plucky eleven year old girl, And so yeah, there's I 438 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: think books are an obvious one, but don't forget your library. Yeah, definitely. 439 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: And you know there are things you can do on 440 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: screens too. My kids have done a few virtual camps. 441 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: This has been something of a stopgap solution. But if 442 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 1: there's like one kid who seems to have had nothing 443 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: for a while and I'm feeling like they're getting a 444 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 1: little antsy, I will sign them up for something and 445 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: then you know, they do two to three hours devoted 446 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 1: to that virtual activity. At least it's somewhat interactive and 447 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: structured for the time that they're going to be online, 448 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: you know, having projects like Jasper's writing his novel. He 449 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: cranked out a couple hundred words yesterday, two thousand words 450 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: on Monday, like he's you know, it's it's good. We 451 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: keep going with it, you know, Legos obviously now is 452 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: the time to sort of encourage the longer project that 453 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: if you are going to we we had the question 454 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: in the last episode, what do you splurge on? Now 455 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: that I'm remembering this, I'm I'm splurging on more things 456 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: than I'm thinking of. Apparently I'm not tracking my spending, 457 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: but I've been Legos. Legos. I've been buying a ton 458 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: of Legos because this can entertain kids for a while 459 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: as they work through a big set. You know, normally 460 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: you'd think, like wow, a thousand pieces. That sounds like 461 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: a lot, But that's not a bad thing at the moment. 462 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 1: We have a couple of kits from different things. I 463 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: had this science camp that one of my kids was 464 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: signed up for that got canceled and they converted into 465 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: you could then buy these diy kits, so you watch 466 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: a video and do the experiment. So they've been doing 467 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: some of those with our nanny. We just picked up 468 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: the Vacation Bible School do it Yourself kit, so there's 469 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: some projects with it. I'm not a project person, but 470 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 1: like it's good to have people who are taking care 471 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: of your kids. And then you know, we go in 472 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: the pool like almost every afternoon just because it's a 473 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: They like it. It's good, get out you have it, 474 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: we should use. It can kill an hour pretty easy, 475 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: and then if you have the time before and time after, 476 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: that kills like ninety minutes. And it's a good thing 477 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: to do at that time of day when everything is 478 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 1: falling apart, like four o'clock. I aim for four o'clock 479 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: be done with my work so that can take them in. 480 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: I will say, the pool is so much more fun 481 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: if all your kids can swim. Like we had a 482 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: sweet spot. But when Genevieve was like a little baby 483 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: and I could like lay by the pool and let 484 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: the two kids swim, that lasted like two seconds. And 485 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 1: then Genevieve wanted to swim and she can't swim yet. Yeah, 486 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,479 Speaker 1: sough the pool. I mean, I'm taking Henry in and 487 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: holding him, you know, and of course have to pull 488 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: them the whole time. But once he starts like really 489 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: moving around and trying to do stuff, it will be 490 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: a lot less calm. So this summer is okay. I 491 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 1: think next summer will be problematic. But the big four, yes, 492 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: can all swim, so they you know, you watch them, 493 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: of course, but they don't to be have someone on them. 494 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: That's the good. One kid you watch is better than 495 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: trying to watch two kids who can't swim, which, let 496 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 1: me tell you, not fun. Yeah, that's just almost like 497 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: I think I do remember a very brief phase like 498 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: when my kids were like, yeah, three and a half 499 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: and one or something like that, and I was like, 500 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,719 Speaker 1: I am not going in the pool with both children. 501 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: No terrifying, terrifying, terrifying. So yeah, doing that cooking projects, 502 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: I will add my kids will love that. Even if 503 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: the finished product doesn't always turn out so amazing. It 504 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: will definitely take some time, does make a mess, but 505 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: it is something to do. You may want to think 506 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: about a kid's cookbook so that they might have some 507 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: more success in their project. I don't know. Experimentation is 508 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: part of the fun, right and just also, if you 509 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: have a backyard, feel free to just shove them outside 510 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: and see what happens. Absolutely all right, Oh, I'm interested 511 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: in your answer to number fourteen. What US city would 512 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: you move to if you had to relocate? Oh, dear, 513 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: I mean I like where we are and we didn't 514 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: have to move here, So in some level, it's kind 515 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: of like like I would pick the next town over, 516 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: the next ton over, that's true, like we'd be in 517 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: Brinmar instead of the one we're in. So no, I 518 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: think it's Pennsylvania's got a lot of good things going where. 519 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: We're close to mountains, we're close to beach. You know, 520 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: it's big city. Philadelphia has all your good stuff, like 521 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: you know, if you want, museums and sports teams, although 522 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: now we can't go to them because they've canceled all 523 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 1: I'm not canceled, but no fans for indoor events for 524 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: like the rest of the year. But you know, so 525 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: I like where we are. I do love someplace like 526 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: San Diego, which is just the issue is San Diego 527 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: is an awesome place to visit. And while I would 528 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: certainly love to, you know, have morning runs on the beach, 529 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: there are a lot of problems with like I think 530 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: a residency in California. I mean, as we talked about, 531 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: with the you know, higher taxes, higher cost of living, 532 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,719 Speaker 1: not being able to get as much space for the money, 533 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 1: you know, the just various issues like that, more crowded, 534 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: probably more of a visitation type plerson. I like Seattle. 535 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: Obviously it's a nice place too, but you try to 536 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 1: you know, we go to these places, we visit them 537 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks, and usually that's that's fine. 538 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: My husband loves Colorado. I think the same thing. He'd 539 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: enjoy the skiing for like a month a year, but 540 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 1: then I think he'd be done with it. So, you know, 541 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: these are all good places to visit. I'm not sure 542 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: if there's any place i'd particularly want to relocate too, 543 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: how about you. I yeah, probably where I'm from or 544 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: where I've been, which is I'm sure biased just based 545 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: on my own experiences. If I really had to pick 546 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: right now, I still get so jealous anytime I hear 547 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: of anybody from the Triangle area. And my sister still 548 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: lives there, and I so nice, like for my niece 549 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: Miriam to get to hang out with Genevieve all the time, like, 550 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: how fun would that be? And my parents have expressed 551 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: interest in moving there, especially if we move there, So 552 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: I would probably go to the Triangle, Durham Chapel Hill, 553 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: Raleigh kind of area, or Asheville the Mountains, and that's 554 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: pretty close too. And you did say Seattle in Portland. 555 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: I do kind of love that area too, So yeah, 556 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: those would probably be my top on Vancouver's beautiful. I mean, 557 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 1: I don't I'm not going to become Canadian, but that's 558 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: another US city that's not a US city, So that 559 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: absolutely came to mind. But then I was like, oh 560 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: US city, Yes, yes, exactly. It's funny. I think Vancouver 561 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 1: doesn't Canada have something like if you spend a certain 562 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: amount of money in Canada, like you are able to 563 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: come more easily. That's one of the things I think 564 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: that has been driving up the real estate market in Vancouver. 565 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: There's a lot of people who buy a condo for 566 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: that reason that Canada's uh, you know laws on that. 567 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: So anyway, I don't know, but no, no plans to 568 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: become Canadian and become Canadian anytime soon. I think I 569 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: have some well, I have a grandmother that was Canadian, 570 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: and I think I was researching it and there's some 571 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: sort of like loophole you could somehow become Canadian if 572 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: you have ancestry. Let me know exactly anyway, all right, ooh, 573 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: this is a good one too. How often do you 574 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: get away with your spouse pre COVID or during or 575 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: both during? Never? Yeah, during or literally never? Agree, we 576 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: have not had a single get away, no or date 577 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: night or anything. Yep. Pre we used to go on 578 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: date nights most weekends if we were not on call, 579 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: so two to three times a month. We didn't go 580 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: on like big trips together all that often. Maybe once 581 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: a year for like a weekend, or maybe like one 582 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: weekend and then one like slightly longer. But I will 583 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: say we were not. I would like to do more 584 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: of those in lieu of the date nights. I think 585 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: in the future, like maybe try every few months to 586 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: do like a night or two to get other somewhere. 587 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, it's kind of polling, falling down 588 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: the priority list at the moment of like this is 589 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: like post pandemic fantasy. See exactly, all right, you have 590 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: to answer the Netflix one because I'm not you know, 591 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: we had our guest from Netflix recently, but yes, that's true. Well, 592 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: I mean your favorite series ad. Maybe I will have 593 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: to put this one in the comments and then our 594 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: listeners on Instagram can give their recommendations because I don't 595 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: have too many. I like Glow that's on HBO, not Netflix, 596 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: but you know, you know. And then I have not 597 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: watched it yet, but I have heard that the adaptation 598 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: of Little Fires Everywhere is awesome and it sounds very 599 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: much up my alley, so I'm going to check that out. 600 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: I already told you guys about never have I ever 601 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: if you haven't watched that, I thought that was excellent, 602 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: and they said, aside from Babysitters Club, but if you 603 00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: have not watched the baby check recommend Yeah, exactly, all right, 604 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: And then what are we going to do differently with 605 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: our routines. Let's say let's change this because we've discussed 606 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: some of this, but when our kids are back in school, 607 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: will that change anything about our routines? So they think 608 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: fall as well when summer turns to fall, which for me, 609 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: like there's a weather, I don't know. Our summer sucks, 610 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: so I do. Look. I know it's like backwards, but 611 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: I look forward to like any other season than summer. 612 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: So to me, I'm like, ooh, fall, although our fall 613 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: starts in like November. From a weather perspective, Yeah, No, 614 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: I don't really have specifics. I am very much looking 615 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: forward to, hopefully my younger to attending school in person 616 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: and having so much needed and quiet around here. And 617 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: I think I might run more again when the weather 618 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: gets less disgusting, because I am starting to miss it. 619 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: Although it's been fun to do something different with my 620 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: fitness over the summer. Yeah, I'm looking forward to being 621 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: a to record my solo podcasts at normal work hours 622 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: without worrying about noise all over the place. I don't yeah, 623 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: being in the house by myself. Just I honestly, I'm 624 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: trying to think what am I even going to do 625 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: with myself? Like I feel like I've really had to 626 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: sort of all the productivity stuff I talk about, fears 627 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: I have to go on so like fundamentalist about this 628 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: to deal with like the all the kids being around, 629 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: so the interruptions with that, breastfeeding a baby every couple 630 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: of hours, having sort of the limited energy that comes 631 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: from not sleeping very well, you know, all of this 632 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: staff is forced me to be very good about like, okay, 633 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: limited priority list for the day, get through these things. 634 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: Here's a chunk of time I have execute on that 635 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,239 Speaker 1: next thing. So I don't know what I'll I mean, 636 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: I guess maybe I'll just lie around and loaf. That 637 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: sounds fun. Maybe you'll read more books and watch Netflix exactly, 638 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: and I'll take that sounds great, all right. So our 639 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: love of the week, Sarah, what do you have this week? 640 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: I'm holding it up so you all can't see it. 641 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: This is my papermate Flair fine Point, not to be 642 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: confused with a regular Papermate Flair. This is my new 643 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: favorite planner pen. I do cycle through many different favorite 644 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: planner pens, but I enjoy this one, so you may 645 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: want to check it out. It's very inexpensive, can be 646 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: found in like large boxes on Amazon, and it's good. 647 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: And there'll be more tips like that over at Best 648 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: Blade Plans. Thanks Banner Sarah's new podcast, which we want 649 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: you to go check out. So my love of the week. 650 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: I have been transitioning my Instagram feed into like beautiful 651 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: pictures of interior design as well as miniatures. I really 652 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: like Dollhou's furniture and there's a bunch of really awesome 653 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: miniature devoted Instagram feeds, as you can imagine, like any 654 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: niche right out in the universe, there's somebody who's doing it. 655 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: So I figure, if all my Instagram can be like 656 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: floral arrangements, gorgeous interior design and miniatures like, then looking 657 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,399 Speaker 1: at it is just this like wonderful little respite from 658 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: the world and trying to avoid you know, accounts where 659 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 1: people are just arguing with each other over their school 660 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: plans for the fall. So I like that. I bet 661 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: there's still fights that break out on the met the 662 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: floral floral arrangement. There probably are because people can't help 663 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: themselves and so be like, yes, you posted a photo 664 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,240 Speaker 1: of a miniature sofa which is like her miniature sofa 665 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: that's at my office that is closed doors. I don't 666 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: heard that miniature company trace their workers buy this brand 667 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: and not that one. But yes, if you if you 668 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: focus on the pictures, probably just the pictures, just the pictures. Yes, 669 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: So there we go. All right, Well, this has been 670 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,879 Speaker 1: Best of Both Worlds episode one hundred and fifty seven, 671 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 1: mostly tackling moral listener questions. We will be back next 672 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: week with more on making work in life fit together. 673 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 674 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, 675 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: and you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. 676 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 1: This has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please 677 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: join us next time for more on making work and 678 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:21,760 Speaker 1: life work together.