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Speaker 3: Boom, Well Up America. Doug Gottlieb in for Colin, This

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Speaker 3: is the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you

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Speaker 3: may be, listened to the show. Happy Fourth of July

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Speaker 3: to you. I hope you're ready for a great day.

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Speaker 3: great show for you. I do mean great because in

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Speaker 3: this hour alone, Tugle NBA basketball talk with the fuming

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Speaker 3: Major League All Star about a bunch of different topics.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk a little UFC, we got some old school NBA,

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Speaker 3: on the show. Is it's great to be with you

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Speaker 3: in the herd. Obviously we're live in places like Los Angeles,

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Speaker 3: and I always laugh at when we post things from

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Speaker 3: my show, The Doug Outleap Show, which follows this show

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Speaker 3: on most Fox Sports radio stations, how people go, like,

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Speaker 3: get another topic, don't talk about Lebron. By the way,

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Speaker 3: Mike Colin doing the outside voice thing, right Colin, anyway,

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Speaker 3: you can accuse me of a lot of things, Chasing

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Speaker 3: Lebron topic is not one of them. Lebron topic is

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Speaker 3: a real topic that's really been discussed. And oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: by the way, it pops up in your algorithm because

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Speaker 3: it's what people are talking about right now. So, hey, kids,

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Speaker 3: if you just got back from a vacation with your

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Speaker 3: weird thing that happened with Lebron James and the Lakers

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Speaker 3: over the past week or so. Right free agency period

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Speaker 3: open now. Lebron James is not a free agent, but

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Speaker 3: could have been. Instead, he opted in to his player option,

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Speaker 3: which you'll pay him roughly fifty three point nine million

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Speaker 3: dollars next season. But after opting in and signing or

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Speaker 3: picking up his player option, his agent Rich Paul released

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Speaker 3: a statement saying, and I'm not going to quote it's

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Speaker 3: not forbatim, but basically it's like, hey, Lebron wants to

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Speaker 3: win a championship, so the Lakers are on a different

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Speaker 3: you to know Lebron wants to win a championship. It

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Speaker 3: insinuates that he, you know, Pass Tens relationship kind of

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Speaker 3: over or coming to an end, and he doesn't think

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Speaker 3: So he's open to any possibilities. The number one thing,

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Speaker 3: one on one takeaway you should have. You're like, why

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Speaker 3: should I care? Again? I'm not going to sit here

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Speaker 3: and argue with you whether or not you think Lebron,

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Speaker 3: Magic Bird Jordan, Wilt Kareem are the greatest players of

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Speaker 3: There's just you know, this is like the Lebron Jordan

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Speaker 3: argument is like the abortion argument. You know what, have

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Speaker 3: fun trying to win that one on social media? There

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Speaker 3: is no win. So this doesn't come from a place

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Speaker 3: of I don't think Lebron James is the best player

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Speaker 3: of let's just kind of be honest. Is there anyone

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Speaker 3: the car, and you're saying, all right, that's reasonable, top ten, minimum,

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Speaker 3: And you know, well, we didn't have the top five

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Speaker 3: And as much as we talk about the West, as

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Speaker 3: So all these things were like oh, the West is

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Speaker 3: a year away, maybe two away from really competing atop rockets.

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Speaker 3: you're gonna get declining return on Kevin Durant's it's there's

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Speaker 3: better depth. Denver has no bench, right, they're fragile, they're

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Speaker 3: it lands on everybody. They're not good enough to win

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Speaker 3: two top fifteen, top ten players in the league, then boy,

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Speaker 3: what Lebron and everybody else is admitting without knowing their

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Speaker 3: admitting is Lebron's no longer a top fifteen, top twenty player.

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Speaker 3: He's for forty. He's amazing, but in reality he's just not.

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Speaker 3: he's not. If he was, then there's no way in

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Speaker 3: hell anybody would say that the Lakers can't win a championship.

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Speaker 3: things have changed, Lebron has to adjust to where he is,

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Speaker 3: but he still wants to play for a championship contender

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Speaker 3: that Lebron is pouting because now they're doing everything to

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Speaker 3: focus on Luca and what makes Luca his the best

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Speaker 3: that Lebron James is in fact the bigger man. Lebron

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Speaker 3: James has nothing. He just wants to win, wants to

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Speaker 3: be part of a champion. Doesn't see it, doesn't feel

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Speaker 3: it because he knows in his heart he's not nearly

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Speaker 3: as good as he used to be. Well, if that's

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Speaker 3: be solely focused on winning a championship over the past

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Speaker 3: It's like Nana, Na, we want Russell Westbrook. You want

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Speaker 3: Russell Westbrook, not Tomrtre Rosen. Sure, let's overpay to get

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Speaker 3: Russell Westbrook. They get Russell Westbrook. The good vibes last

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Speaker 3: all of I don't know among two months, and then

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Speaker 3: After moving on from from you know, Frank who wins

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Speaker 3: they draft Bronnie and kind of forced themselves to go, yeah, no, no,

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Speaker 3: Bronni has earned all of this. Then they play Bronnie James,

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Speaker 3: the NBA. They've done all these things. Oh, the only

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Speaker 3: I don't think the win disparity is that great. Like

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Speaker 3: wanted to do is reconfigure themselves, make themselves the most

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Speaker 3: But the it's not that big of a win. But

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Speaker 3: it's a win, and anybody would argue as such. Right,

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Speaker 3: So what are you actually mad about that the Lakers

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Speaker 3: from me, This comes from colin, This comes from government,

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Speaker 3: This comes from teachers, comes from parents, comes to from athletes.

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Speaker 3: I can take your opinion if it's the opposite of mine.

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Speaker 3: What I can't take or your ideas or your thoughts

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Speaker 3: What you can't take is hypocrisy. If you want to

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Speaker 3: of your career is winning a championship, well then just

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Speaker 7: This if I may, If if, are you interested in

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Speaker 6: been up to.

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Speaker 3: So now, Okay, they have these popcorn stands where they

429
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Speaker 3: make it fresh. But more than anything, they have the

430
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Speaker 3: fresh butter. Obviously it's in their state. When I tell you,

431
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Speaker 3: it's the best popcorn I've ever had my life. It's

432
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Speaker 3: not like I've just had popcorn and I've gone to

433
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Speaker 3: the movies, like I've gone through stretches of having popcorn

434
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Speaker 3: every night before I go to bed, like when I do.

435
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 3: I've done college basketball games. I did college basketball games

436
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 3: for twenty two years, Okay, and now as a head coach,

437
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 3: I always have popcorn in Lockerike, they got popcorn can

438
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 3: get me just because it's so easy to get to.

439
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 3: A little salt fills you up, a little bit, smells good, whatever.

440
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 3: So I've had a lot of popcorn in my life.

441
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Speaker 3: I've probably chicken is probably the one thing I've had

442
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Speaker 3: more than anything else. But outside of chicken, I'm not

443
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 3: sure popcorn isn't right there with hamburgers. Okay in terms

444
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Speaker 3: of how many times I have had a p saved

445
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Speaker 3: popcorn on a day in my forty nine years on

446
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Speaker 3: this earth. Okay, I'm telling you. The popcorn, the fresh

447
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 3: the fresh made popcorn with the real butter at Miller

448
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 3: Park or now it's called Amerit. Oh man, I need

449
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 3: to know this because it's an insurance company that's big

450
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Speaker 3: and family. Oh God, what's the name of the park

451
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 3: that they used to be called American?

452
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Speaker 7: American Family Field.

453
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 3: At American Family Field. American Family is an insurance company. Anyway,

454
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Speaker 3: it's I'm not kidding. It's the best popcorn I've ever

455
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Speaker 3: had in my life. And I would challenge anybody now

456
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Speaker 3: if you're one of those I like dry popcorn, I'm

457
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Speaker 3: not really sure you should should exist on this earth.

458
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Speaker 3: But that's okay outside of people who like plane dry popcorn.

459
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Speaker 3: It's the best popcorn ever had. I don't know how

460
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Speaker 3: I got that aside.

461
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Speaker 6: That surprises me because they have to mass produce those things,

462
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Speaker 6: and you shoually do get the kind of the stale

463
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Speaker 6: and a bag popcorn at the ballpark.

464
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Speaker 3: No, but they have the regular popcorn at the regular concessions.

465
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Speaker 3: But then they have these red carts and they're like

466
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Speaker 3: big red carts. They're not like the little ones that

467
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Speaker 3: you can get like in your your game room at

468
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Speaker 3: your house, like a big red cart, and there's a

469
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Speaker 3: a you know, a woman or a man who's working there.

470
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Speaker 3: And then so they have like the popcorn being pop fresh,

471
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Speaker 3: and then next to it they have the butter that's

472
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Speaker 3: just like boiling right there next to like real butter,

473
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Speaker 3: and they take like a ladle and they like sprinkle

474
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Speaker 3: it on and then you take a little salt. You're like,

475
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Speaker 3: this is the great thing of ever have my life.

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Speaker 6: That sounds amazing.

477
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 7: It really amazing that way, and it's still Yeah, I

478
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Speaker 7: think I haven't had.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how they do it.

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Speaker 4: Memory.

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Speaker 3: There's a trick to it though, because again, when you

482
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Speaker 3: try and do the real butter at home, the popcorn

483
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 3: can become mushy, still delicious, become mushy, right whatever. They

484
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 3: especially use a hot butter. The cold butter doesn't work.

485
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Speaker 3: So I don't know how they do it. But the

486
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Speaker 3: the popcorn still maintains its consistency though it has real

487
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Speaker 3: butter spread. How we get it? Oh, we're talking about Jason, Jason, Jason.

488
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Speaker 3: Now we're talking about Joey Chess, Joey Chestnut. Yeah, I

489
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Speaker 3: just I don't know, guys. I just I love the

490
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: pump and circumstance and the sarcasm and how the Nathan's

491
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 3: people approach the whole thing. I do. It's fun, it's light,

492
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 3: nothing else going on. But I gotta be honest with you,

493
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 3: it is like Home Run Derby. We're like, I've seen

494
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Speaker 3: this before, I know how it.

495
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Speaker 6: Ends, and it's a tough watch.

496
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Speaker 3: Like I did.

497
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Speaker 6: I caught the summary to see how he ranked against

498
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Speaker 6: his other his other events and everything else. But there's

499
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Speaker 6: a TV and studio here, and I could have watched

500
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Speaker 6: all seventy one dogs go down. I can't watch these

501
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Speaker 6: people eat those hot dogs, and I don't understand the

502
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Speaker 6: thirst for that, like people love watching people eat. Like

503
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 6: it just seems it's just unsettling to me. I'm sorry,

504
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 6: it's not for me.

505
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Speaker 7: I think it's different from watching people eat because I

506
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 7: like plenty of those what do they call them on YouTube?

507
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Speaker 7: It's like a Korean word mu muckbang or whatever. It's like,

508
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Speaker 7: what is it called mukbang m uk b a ng.

509
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Speaker 7: I haven't said anything.

510
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 6: It's not. I swear, I swear to God it's not.

511
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 3: But I google that is. If I google that will.

512
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Speaker 6: Be I think you're safe.

513
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 7: But I think this is different from watching someone just

514
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 7: have a nice meal. This is like watching someone forcing

515
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 7: down hot dogs well past their limit, like not even

516
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 7: enjoying the food as they're just shoving it down their

517
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,479
Speaker 7: gullet and like working out the water and everything. This

518
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 7: is this is not This isn't how this I think

519
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 7: what turns people off from the hot doggie and contest

520
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 7: is like, this isn't how food is supposed to be consumed,

521
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 7: and yet somehow we're just doing something grotesque, beyond beyond

522
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Speaker 7: even gluttony.

523
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Speaker 3: I feel like I think people watch to see somebody

524
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Speaker 3: throw up.

525
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's too, but that also just makes.

526
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Speaker 3: It's like it's like it's like we were talking about

527
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 3: this earlier, about you know, QFC potentially having a fight

528
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Speaker 3: on the White House lawn in a year, Right, there's

529
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Speaker 3: a part of me that watches because I like, because

530
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 3: at the end of some of these fights, you might

531
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Speaker 3: have somebody lose an eyeball, you know, you might. They're

532
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 3: just you know, everybody knows that meme with that woman

533
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 3: who just looks like her her face got rained over

534
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 3: by a tractor, right, and she's doing a post postmatch interview. Like,

535
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 3: there's part of me that watches that for somebody's arms

536
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 3: gonna get Oh that's gross. So I do think that

537
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 3: there's a portion of people that watch eating contests because

538
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 3: they're secretly rooting for somebody to just like in stand

539
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 3: by me throw up of everybody else anyway, there's a

540
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Speaker 3: recap Joey Chestnut still the world's greatest Nathan's Hot Dog Eating.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

542
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: in noon Eastern not a em Pacific's.

543
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 3: Doug Gottlieb Show, Oh sorry, Doug Gollibin for Collins.

544
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 4: The Herd.

545
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Speaker 3: Fox Ports Triot Doug Gotlieb Show follows this show on

546
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Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio. I thought we contextualize a little bit

547
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 3: of what Clayton Kershaw was able to accomplish earlier this

548
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 3: week with his three thousandth strikeout with a guy who

549
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 3: faced him both in the regular season, in the playoffs,

550
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 3: and played with him in the All Star Game at times.

551
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 3: Matt Holliday joins us. He played fifteen years in the

552
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Speaker 3: Big Seven, time All Star, member of the Saint Louis

553
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 3: Cardinals World Series championship team in twenty eleven. And before

554
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 3: we get to Kershaw and some other stuff in baseball,

555
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 3: we are today's fourth July, so we're roughly what nine

556
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 3: days away from the Major League Baseball Draft. And for

557
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 3: people know Jackson Holliday, who is a starter for the Orioles.

558
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Speaker 3: Matt's oldest son, Ethan Holiday, is a prospect expected to

559
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Speaker 3: be selected in this year's first round. Matt, What's what's it?

560
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Speaker 3: Like waiting around this time when Jackson went off the

561
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Speaker 3: board at one and now you're waiting to see on Ethan,

562
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Speaker 3: who was the national high School Player of the Year.

563
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Speaker 8: Well, it's, uh, you know, it's kind of an awkward

564
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 8: time as far as for these kids and stuff because

565
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 8: the season ended, you know, for their high school season

566
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Speaker 8: ended in May, and then you know they've moved the

567
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Speaker 8: draft to the All Star Game, and so there's this

568
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Speaker 8: kind of you know, six seven week period of waiting.

569
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Speaker 8: But we've been we've been keeping busy. We just went

570
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Speaker 8: to Dallas to watch Jackson with the Orioles playing the

571
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Speaker 8: Rangers and had a lot of family down there. So

572
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Speaker 8: just been working out and staying keeping him, keeping him

573
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Speaker 8: as ready as you can without playing games. And then

574
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Speaker 8: you know, in about like you said, nine or ten days,

575
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Speaker 8: we'll have an idea of who's selecting him and what

576
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Speaker 8: what that looks like and then kind of have a

577
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Speaker 8: plan going from there.

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Speaker 4: So just kind of enjoying our.

579
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Speaker 8: Last bit of uh, you know, summer at home for

580
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Speaker 8: a while for him.

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Speaker 4: So it's been great.

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Speaker 8: We've we've enjoyed it and had some good family time

583
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Speaker 8: together and taken a couple of trips and but yeah,

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Speaker 8: so just kind of wait and see what happens. And

585
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Speaker 8: you know, at this point nine days out, we're not

586
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Speaker 8: sure where he's gonna end up.

587
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Speaker 3: Did you when did you know Jackson was going number one?

588
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Speaker 8: Like literally like thirty five seconds before Manford announced it.

589
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Speaker 8: I mean, it's a it's one of these things where

590
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 8: you know, seemingly in basketball and football, uh, there's a

591
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 8: great idea, you know, and and leading up to the

592
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Speaker 8: draft of who's going number one, and they seemingly have

593
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Speaker 8: all the details of the contract already worked out. In baseball,

594
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Speaker 8: it's a little different with the with the draft pool

595
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Speaker 8: and the slotting and then you know, teams trying to

596
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Speaker 8: figure out if they can negotiate down on on the

597
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 8: on the slot of the first and second third picks

598
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Speaker 8: to to try to save money for for picks following that,

599
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Speaker 8: maybe kids want overslought, or you know, it's just it's

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Speaker 8: a it's a it's kind of a different animal, i'd

601
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Speaker 8: say than the other major sports drafts.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

603
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Speaker 4: But yeah, with Jackson.

604
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Speaker 8: Literally uh maybe maybe like you know, literally the commissioners

605
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Speaker 8: walking up to the podium and you know, kind of

606
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 8: agreed to to the the term and then kind of

607
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 8: let Leslie and my wife and and Jackson find out

608
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 8: what the announcement in the rest of the family. So

609
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 8: it was it was chaotic and and right down.

610
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Speaker 3: To the wire and and this time around, do you

611
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Speaker 3: have any idea?

612
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 4: No, we really don't.

613
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Speaker 8: It's it's uh, it's like I said, it's it's it's

614
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Speaker 8: kind of a strange deal.

615
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Speaker 4: You know.

616
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Speaker 8: You have talks with with teams and and uh a

617
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 8: lot more in the spring and kind of leading up

618
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 8: to it, and then there's kind of this quiet period

619
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Speaker 8: where I think teams collect their front office and and

620
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Speaker 8: and their scouts and they start breaking down the potential

621
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Speaker 8: prospects of it. And you know, I think that that's

622
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 8: the kind of the process. And then I think, you know,

623
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Speaker 8: we might go right up to the day of before

624
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 8: we have a real clear idea of what's going to happen.

625
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 3: Matt Holidays, our guest. You're a seven time All Star.

626
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 3: Fifteen years in the Bigs won a World Series with

627
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 3: the Saint Louis Cardinals. The Cardinals were famous for having

628
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 3: whatever the elixir was to Clayton Kershaw in the playoffs, Right,

629
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 3: was what was the approach when you guys would meet

630
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Speaker 3: before you're facing Kershaw in the playoffs. This is prime

631
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 3: peak Clayton Kershaw, best pitcher in baseball? What was the

632
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 3: approach that allowed you guys to be successful in the

633
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 3: playoffs against it?

634
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Speaker 8: You know, I think it was a combination of a

635
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 8: couple of things. I think we had teams the couple

636
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 8: teams that seemingly got to him a little bit. We're

637
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 8: guys that hit the ball in the middle of the field,

638
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 8: weren't weren't relying on pulling the ball, did a good

639
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 8: job of hitting with runners in scoring position. I think

640
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 8: he probably would tell you that he made more mistakes

641
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 8: over the plate in the middle of the plate, uh,

642
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 8: in those games. Then then he's accustomed to and and

643
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 8: he would would make traditionally in his career. So I

644
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 8: think it was a combination of things. We just uh,

645
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Speaker 8: and then once you have a little bit of confidence

646
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Speaker 8: like that you.

647
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Speaker 4: Can do it. And and then you know, as hitters

648
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 4: you feel like, uh, you know you.

649
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Speaker 8: Can you can get to him. Then that that helps.

650
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Speaker 8: I mean, you know, he's such a dominant pitcher, and

651
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Speaker 8: if he gets rolling and and can kind of get

652
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Speaker 8: going and and start executing pitches, and if.

653
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Speaker 4: They give him a lead.

654
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Speaker 8: It's very difficult to get to a guy like that,

655
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Speaker 8: but once you get to him, once you feel like

656
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Speaker 8: maybe you can get to him again. And that that

657
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 8: certainly adds to the team's confidence that you know, if

658
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 8: we keep it close, we can we can get a

659
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Speaker 8: big hit and and possibly beat a guy like Clayton Kershaw.

660
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Speaker 8: So uh, I would say there was nothing that you

661
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Speaker 8: know was was a secretive or you know, like that

662
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 8: we had this special plan that somehow got to Clayton Kershaw.

663
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 8: Was you know, you have to beat Kershaw when when

664
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Speaker 8: he makes mistakes, just like any good pitcher, if they

665
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 8: throw the ball in the middle play, you can't miss it,

666
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 8: you can't foul it off, you can't take it.

667
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 4: You got to be ready to hit.

668
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 8: And if you if he throws you on that's it's

669
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Speaker 8: a that that's a.

670
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 4: Good, good pitch to hit. You've got to hit it.

671
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Speaker 8: And we seemingly were able to do that, uh pretty

672
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 8: well off of him in the postseason. And you know

673
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Speaker 8: there was times that particularly and you know at the

674
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Speaker 8: time when people thought we had his pitches or we

675
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 8: were stilling signs and none of that was true. I

676
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 8: mean we we we just like I said, we didn't

677
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Speaker 8: miss the mistakes.

678
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 3: Okay, then you have like a like, for example, a

679
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 3: Madison Bumgardner, a fraction of the total career of a

680
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 3: Curse Shop. But in the playoffs, had you know, had

681
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 3: at least one far more dominant playoff run the Kershaw

682
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Speaker 3: kind of really ever had I guess in your mind,

683
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 3: and you're somebody who's an honest broker, is is he

684
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 3: the best lefty you ever saw? Like? Where where is

685
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 3: Clayton Kershaw in terms of the best lefties you you've

686
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 3: ever faced?

687
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 4: Yeah?

688
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Speaker 8: I mean, look, I mean three thousand strikeouts. I mean

689
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Speaker 8: you're talking about very rare air. I think if for me, uh,

690
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 8: you know, the I got to face Randy Johnson at

691
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 8: the end of his career. I didn't face peee Randy Johnson,

692
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 8: so uh, you know, as far as just facing a

693
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 8: guy with stuff, but as far as you know, facing

694
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 8: two of the best lefties you know of all time,

695
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 8: and a couple of guys that I faced, I mean,

696
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 8: I think you know Pete Clay Clayton Kershaw who I faced,

697
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 8: you know, I would say is the best lefty I

698
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 8: ever saw. But I don't want to discount the fact

699
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 8: that I did get to face Randy Johnson. His you know,

700
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 8: his fastball at ticked down, but he was still very difficult. Uh.

701
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 8: But yeah, those those two are are certainly the best

702
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 8: lefties that I ever faced. And I would put Clayton, uh,

703
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Speaker 8: you know, up there with with an all time obviously,

704
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Speaker 8: you know, this body of his career was was has

705
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Speaker 8: been incredible and he's still doing it and you know,

706
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 8: a great guy. You know, I got a chance to

707
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 8: know him off the field and and uh and spend

708
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 8: some time with him, and just an incredible human and

709
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 8: uh just just uh, you know, really happy for him.

710
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 8: Three thousand, like three thousand career strikeouts, the longevity that

711
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 8: it takes, the health, the work and and and then

712
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 8: the you know, the ability to strike out three thousand

713
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 8: batters in the Major League. Some of these records, you know,

714
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Speaker 8: as far as now that everybody is his starters only

715
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 8: going five innings and uh, you know two times through

716
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 8: the order. This this uh sort of new new uh

717
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 8: look at starting pitching. I'd be hard to uh to

718
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 8: think that somebody, you know, that might be one of

719
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Speaker 8: those numbers that nobody really gets to anymore.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, there's We're not gonna have another three hundred

721
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 3: game winner, right, and he's a twentieth pitcher to have

722
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 3: three thousand strikeouts, and it seems very unlikely that in

723
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Speaker 3: the currently dscape of baseball, will you ever get to

724
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Speaker 3: that again? Mm hmm.

725
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean there's there's there's several of these numbers

726
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 8: you start looking at, you know, kind of the way

727
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,720
Speaker 8: that the game is trending, that we very difficult, uh,

728
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 8: you know, for anybody to ever get to again.

729
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 3: I did want to ask you about Jacob Misrowski. The

730
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 3: he's the six seven rookie with the Brewers who had

731
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 3: just been mowing everybody down and then you know, ran

732
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 3: into some trouble the other night against against the Mets.

733
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Speaker 3: One of the things I love is when and I've

734
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Speaker 3: asked you about this about people's swings, but also about

735
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Speaker 3: people's stuff and whether or not it lasts. Uh does

736
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Speaker 3: does he last? Obviously he just had one game where

737
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 3: people Other than that, he's just been completely dominant. But

738
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Speaker 3: it's very very early. What are your thoughts on the

739
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 3: longevity of Miserowski.

740
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I think that when you look at

741
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 8: his stuff, I think certainly, you know, when you're pitching

742
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 8: at the hundred mile an hour and then and then

743
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 8: a little bit over your margin peer is bigger than

744
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 8: everybody else's. It's very difficult to square up one hundred.

745
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 8: And if you look at the stats, I think, you know,

746
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 8: they did hit two homers back to back homers.

747
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 4: I think off of him, but uh, there's not.

748
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Speaker 8: A lot of homers hit one hundred minar plus fastballs,

749
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Speaker 8: And so that's that's certainly an advantage for a young

750
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 8: pitcher that that you know, you can make more mistakes

751
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 8: and guys tend to follow them off or or not have,

752
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 8: you know, swing through some of the mistakes you make

753
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 8: in the middle of the plate when you.

754
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 4: Throw that hard.

755
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 8: Really you know, to me, the longevity of it is

756
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 8: to see if you know when it's when his velo

757
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 8: comes down a little bit or as he as he

758
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 8: pitches in a long season in the major leagues.

759
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 4: And in there's days where you.

760
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 8: Don't feel great and you're you're not pitching in one

761
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 8: hundred min hour range, and you have to figure out

762
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 8: ways to get guys out when you don't have your

763
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 8: best fastball.

764
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 4: I think that's the true test of.

765
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 8: Longevity and whether or not you know you have a

766
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 8: chance to be one of the Alzheimer's or you know,

767
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 8: you certainly have the ability, and you look at his

768
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 8: size and body type, is is is what you would

769
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 8: want when you look at at starting pitchers and guys

770
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 8: that that really throw the ball with with a lot

771
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 8: of velocity, but don't have to to do a ton

772
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 8: to do that, like it comes out pretty pretty easy.

773
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 8: He's always been a hard thrower, and so again I

774
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 8: think it goes back to how he can execute his

775
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 8: off speed pitches and then you know whether he can

776
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 8: really come up with you know, command that when you

777
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 8: don't have your best fastball, can you still get out?

778
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 4: So those are the greats.

779
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 8: The greats can do, is they can figure out different

780
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 8: ways to get you out even when there's stuff is is.

781
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 4: Tired or not quite what it usually is.

782
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 8: And so that to me is is the true test

783
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 8: of a guy that is is uh is in it?

784
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 8: You know, going to be a great pitcher for the

785
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 8: long haul.

786
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 3: You look at top the home run race in Major

787
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 3: League Baseball and there's some some of the usual you

788
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 3: know suspects, right, Otani's there, Judges there, Schwarper's there. But

789
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 3: then yet Kyle Rowley, who's leading the world in home

790
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 3: runs and he's got as many now as he has

791
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 3: in full seasons in his career. How sustainable is this,

792
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 3: especially for a guy who's playing every day as a catcher.

793
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean it's been very impressive. I think, you know,

794
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 8: people Seattle is not a good home run park, and

795
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 8: for him to be doing this in Seattle as a catcher,

796
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 8: I mean, he's had some amazing home run per at

797
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 8: bat numbers and in previous seasons for a catcher, So

798
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 8: I think it is a little bit you know, I

799
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 8: think how many he has already is eye opening. But

800
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 8: I think when you look at you know, like some

801
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 8: of the numbers per at bat that he's had in

802
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 8: this past, you know, it's not totally surprising that he's

803
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 8: he's hitting a bunch of home runs. But I do

804
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 8: think it's worth recognizing that in Seattle as a catcher,

805
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 8: he's doing.

806
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 4: Some amazing things.

807
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 8: So it'll be interesting to see I think moving forward.

808
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 8: Doug was with when you have a guy with this

809
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 8: kind of home run prowess, do you do you continue

810
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 8: to catch him and you know, in the long term

811
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 8: and possibly wear him down a little bit, or do

812
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 8: you start to look at more of whether he can

813
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 8: transition to a few more dhs and first base type

814
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 8: situations where you really optimally take advantage of the idea

815
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 8: that he could hit fifty homers a year if he's

816
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 8: rested and and.

817
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 4: You know, playing more games. So I think that's something

818
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 4: to think about.

819
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 8: But it's been it's been really cool.

820
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 4: As far as just to watch.

821
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Speaker 8: And he obviously has a great nickname when you call

822
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 8: somebody the big dumper, and he's totally fine with it.

823
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 8: I can get on board with rooting for a guy

824
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 8: like that.

825
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 3: Big dumpers and all timer, Big dumpers and all timer. Well, listen, man,

826
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Speaker 3: have a happy fourth always levelless to talk about baseball,

827
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Speaker 3: and we'll keep our figures trussed that Ethan doesn't have

828
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 3: to doesn't have to be the other brother not selected

829
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 3: number one overall in a week and a half. We'll

830
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 3: talk to you. Matt.

831
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Speaker 4: Okay, sounds a good, Thanks Doug, all

832
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Speaker 3: Right, that's Matt Holiday, good friend and fifteen year old

833
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 3: All Star, seventeen year Major leaguer, seven time All Star,

834
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 3: four time silver slugging the World Series champion in eleven

835
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 3: with the Saint Louis Cardinals,