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Speaker 2: She's just so much. There's so much different types of

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Speaker 4: No, I hear you, and I mean the.

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Speaker 1: like runs a business.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's kind of superman.

439
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Speaker 2: So how old is he now?

440
00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,600
Speaker 4: He is sixty?

441
00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,119
Speaker 2: Is like still in good shape?

442
00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,080
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I mean you're like, no, it's it's actually

443
00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,680
Speaker 1: annoying how all my friends talk about my dad being hot.

444
00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:28,240
Speaker 4: So it's.

445
00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,200
Speaker 2: So you go to school to study opera? Mm hmm,

446
00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,080
Speaker 2: what in the world do you know about opera?

447
00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,119
Speaker 1: You know. It was one of those things where so

448
00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,639
Speaker 1: I started taking singing lessons when I was twelve. I

449
00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,080
Speaker 1: auditioned for like a school musical. My teacher was like, hey,

450
00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,000
Speaker 1: you have a good voice. Do you want to take lessons?

451
00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,040
Speaker 1: And the person that they set me up with, you know,

452
00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,280
Speaker 1: her focus was more like opera, and I guess because

453
00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,760
Speaker 1: I had this really big, powerful voice, I had a

454
00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,080
Speaker 1: big range. She was like, you're going to sing opera?

455
00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,239
Speaker 1: And I was like, at the time, it was kind

456
00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:57,520
Speaker 1: of just.

457
00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:58,960
Speaker 4: Like, oh, this is cool. Didn't know my voice could

458
00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,879
Speaker 4: do this? Find you kind of yeah, but I was.

459
00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,000
Speaker 1: I liked it because it was it was cool just

460
00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,880
Speaker 1: even discovering what my voice could do. And I think

461
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,840
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, I liked that I was

462
00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:10,520
Speaker 1: learning how to read music and so there was a

463
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,600
Speaker 1: lot of valuable things there and I was definitely like

464
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,400
Speaker 1: interested and passionate about singing. But it wasn't until I actually,

465
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 1: you know, so when I was looking at schools, I

466
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,399
Speaker 1: mean a lot of the schools in Canada anyway. I

467
00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 1: really wanted to go to the school in the US

468
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,280
Speaker 1: actually because there's some incredible music programs, but it was

469
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,000
Speaker 1: crazy expensive and a lot of the Canadian programs, I

470
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,000
Speaker 1: feel like, are still very like traditional and kind of

471
00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:30,400
Speaker 1: like like.

472
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Speaker 4: You can study jazz, so you can study opera.

473
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Speaker 1: I feel like there's and it might be different now,

474
00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,120
Speaker 1: but there wasn't as many options that were like outside

475
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 1: of that kind of rigid thing. And so I did

476
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,200
Speaker 1: like one year and I was like, I hate this.

477
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:42,960
Speaker 4: This is terrible.

478
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,360
Speaker 1: I'm not passionate about this genre and the people who

479
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 1: are in this program like really are and it was

480
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,360
Speaker 1: very clear to me I was not fitting in. And

481
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 1: I had met a couple guys that were in the

482
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,479
Speaker 1: jazz program, these horn players, and they were starting a

483
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,320
Speaker 1: band and so they asked me if I wanted to sing.

484
00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,480
Speaker 1: So it was a nine piece, nine guys and me,

485
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,119
Speaker 1: and we were called the New Groove Orchestra, and so

486
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,880
Speaker 1: that kind of pushed me more towards like being interested

487
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,120
Speaker 1: in jazz it was at least something that felt more

488
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,920
Speaker 1: like what I was into. And you know, we toured

489
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 1: and we made a couple of records. We got to

490
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 1: open for Aretha Franklin at Montreal Jazz Fest, and that

491
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 1: was like my first taste of really like touring and

492
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 1: being on the road.

493
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 2: And I loved it with jazz. And have friends who've

494
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,640
Speaker 2: played jazz music, like jazz bassed jazz piano, and they

495
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 2: talk about how you just you kind of have your

496
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 2: own lane that you can experiment and play around it,

497
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:32,200
Speaker 2: but you got to stay in the lane. Like you

498
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 2: can totally can't hop in a different key. But as

499
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 2: a vocalist, is it the same, Can you kind of

500
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 2: move around as long as you stay in the selected space?

501
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think.

502
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 1: Well, I mean when you get into like scatting and stuff,

503
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,919
Speaker 1: which was always like equal parts fun for me and

504
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 1: like terrifying because you're just kind of like.

505
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 4: Going for it.

506
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,120
Speaker 2: Did you do that with you gat? Yeah?

507
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 1: I mean I did it, and we had to do

508
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 1: it in class all the time, and you'd have to

509
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 1: like do it in front of the class and it

510
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 1: was so awkward because you're literally singing gibberish. Yeah, totally

511
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 1: it's like, so you always feel kind of like silly,

512
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 1: But I also feel like it gave me a really

513
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 1: great grasp of just like melodies over progressions and figuring out, okay,

514
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,399
Speaker 1: where can I go and which I think in the

515
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 1: end translated into the songwriting aspect of just being able

516
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 1: to find cooler melodies and different melodies and stuff like that.

517
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 2: Ever hear of Meltormet, Oh yeah.

518
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he like wrote one of the books

519
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 1: that we had in class.

520
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 2: Yet when I think of jazz singers, especially scat, it's

521
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 2: like Meltormete to me was like the guy not that

522
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 2: I have this, you know, robust cheryld's a girl for me. Yeah,

523
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: like robust history of jazz. I don't yeh. But I

524
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 2: definitely had my phase where I was like, let me

525
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 2: just explore all the jazz music I can possibly find. Skipoo,

526
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 2: you know. I thought that's super cool. I thought I

527
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 2: could do also like a freestyle.

528
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Speaker 3: A let's take a quick pause for a message from

529
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Speaker 3: our sponsor. This is the Bobby Cast.

530
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Speaker 2: So when does the bluegrass thing come about?

531
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: So after I ended up switching into the jazz program

532
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: at McGill and again was still just kind of like,

533
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: I don't.

534
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 4: I'm not feeling this just doesn't feel like it's for me.

535
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: And so I found out that Humber College in Toronto

536
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 1: had a little bit of like a broader and there

537
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,959
Speaker 1: was also some more classes to do with like music business.

538
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: And because at this point, I'm starting to feel like

539
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: I just want to like get a record deal and

540
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: tour and write songs and like get a publishing deal

541
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 1: and be a songwriter.

542
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 2: Could you do that in Canada?

543
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:33,239
Speaker 1: Though?

544
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 2: Did you feel?

545
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 4: I didn't?

546
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: I mean it obviously it existed, but it was not

547
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: the same as like growing up here for sure, And

548
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: because Mitchell and I have talked about that a lot,

549
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 1: and you know, I just hadn't seen a lot of

550
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 1: people that I grew up around or with that had

551
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: like really made it doing, you know, as a songwriter

552
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: or as an artist. But so I was like, well,

553
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, I'll just finish school, but maybe

554
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to try this program. So I transfer over

555
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: to Humber and find out that that they used to

556
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: have a bluegrass ensemble. So I ended up meeting some

557
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: guys that also love bluegrass, and we end up convincing

558
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: them to revive this bluegrass ensemble and I like, oh

559
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: my gosh, we have so much fun. It was. It

560
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: was incredible. I was like, this is the music. I

561
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: love this music. I love the harmonies and like the

562
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: vocal parts. I love the instrumentation. And at that around

563
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: that time, I had started going back home to Bowmenville

564
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: and I met this guy, Sam Balsan, and he was

565
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 1: playing this open mic and we became friends and we

566
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 1: started like jamming together and playing some songs.

567
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 4: Together, and for a while we were also like a duo.

568
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: We also dated this whole time and started a band

569
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 1: called The Stone Sparrows. And that's when I decided to

570
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: drop out of school. I called my parents and I

571
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,239
Speaker 1: was like, I know that this is going to bum

572
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: you out, and I'm really sorry, but I just I know.

573
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 4: What I want to do.

574
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Speaker 1: And at that point, you know, I was working part time,

575
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: I was in classes, and I was trying to play

576
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: shows every weekend. I was like, I can't do all

577
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: these things anymore, and I just don't need a degree

578
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 1: to do what I want to do. And so they

579
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: kind of were like, well, I mean, you know, we're

580
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 1: not going to stop you. I mean we're going to

581
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: stop paying for things. But you know, we'll support you.

582
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: And I'm actually really glad that they they didn't really

583
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: help me, like or give me money to do this,

584
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: because I had to.

585
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 4: I had to work really hard. I had to figure

586
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 4: it out.

587
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: I busked on street corners in subways to make ends meet.

588
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 1: I took every like gig I could, playing in bars.

589
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: I would play for hours for you know, a few

590
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: hundred bucks maybe in a bar tab And at this point,

591
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: you know, we started playing more regular gigs with my

592
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: my bluegrass band and made some records and again like

593
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: got to play some really big shows and it was

594
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: it was awesome.

595
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 4: And then Sam and I broke up.

596
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 2: Was that when that dissolved the group?

597
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: No, we played together for a yearly c Yeah, let

598
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 1: me tell you a ten out of ton do not recommend.

599
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, in anyway, not even just this like people

600
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 2: to get divorced live in the same house.

601
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 4: Ye, yeah, it was. It was rough.

602
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we we it was just a

603
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: hard thing because I mean we were together for four

604
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: years and he I'm so grateful for him because he

605
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: was such an incredible musician and I know that he

606
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: had a huge impact on my musicianship, and you know,

607
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: my songwriting and just kind of finding my own voice.

608
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 4: So I'm very grateful for that. So I don't regret

609
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 4: any of it.

610
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: But the year that we we when we broke up,

611
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: we were like, well, we have this band, like it

612
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 1: isn't just about us, and we can't just.

613
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 4: Like bail we had.

614
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we had my bass player he was playing

615
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: upright bass, our buddy Jim, and then my friend Oliver

616
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,479
Speaker 1: was playing fiddle, and so we felt like, okay, well

617
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: we started this and we were kind of like peeking,

618
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: like we were crushing it as a band, and it

619
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: was like I felt responsible, like, well, we can't just

620
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: like bail on the band because we broke up and

621
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: we were adults.

622
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 4: We could do this. This will be fine.

623
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 1: And then he started dating one of my friends and

624
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: we went on tour together and it was horrible.

625
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would imagine just the proximity, right, it was rough.

626
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 4: It was rough.

627
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 2: It was like the Eagles because now you know, they

628
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: don't even know it.

629
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like they just come out on you know.

630
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 2: It was.

631
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: It didn't end like really badly it honestly, it also

632
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: came down to the other players. So Jim and Allie

633
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: ended up starting a brewery in our hometown, and so

634
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: it kind of just came down to, like, everybody else

635
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: in the band had other things they were interested in

636
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: and like kind of backup plans or other jobs, and

637
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: I didn't. This was it for me, and so we

638
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: kind of went ways like on on good terms. Everyone

639
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: was just kind of gonna do their own thing. And

640
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: that was when I that was the first time in

641
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: my life I was ever Megan Patrick, a solo artist

642
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: and not like part of a band.

643
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 2: Did you regret dropping out of school for a minute?

644
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 4: Absolutely not it.

645
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: No, I mean I just once I got a taste

646
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: of like being on the road and writing songs, I

647
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: was like, this is exactly what I want to do,

648
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: and like I'll do whatever it takes to do this.

649
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 4: I mean, to me, school was just like a waste

650
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 4: of my time. It was getting in my way.

651
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: I don't I don't regret going because I met a

652
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: lot of incredible musicians and I had some great teachers

653
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: and like so I think I definitely gained a lot

654
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: from that.

655
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 4: I didn't gain a diploma, but I did get a

656
00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 4: lot from the experience.

657
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 2: When did you start thinking that Nashville could be a.

658
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 4: Destination probably about ten years ago.

659
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: Where is that in the timeline? So you you guys

660
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 2: break up the band?

661
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we actually before the band was broken up,

662
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: we actually came. We went to Bonneroo, and we drove

663
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: down from Canada and we decided we were going to

664
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: go early and like.

665
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 4: Check out Nashville, see see what it was all about.

666
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: And I was really really broke. I mean I could

667
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: barely afford this trip. And so everybody like went to

668
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: Broadway and they're going to go out and drink. And

669
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: I saw somebody playing guitar on a sidewalk.

670
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 4: So I was like, I can do that.

671
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go make some beer money and all you

672
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: guys you're gonna do that now? I was, yeah, I

673
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: was like they were gonna go drink. I went to

674
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: the hotel, I grabbed my guitar and found like a

675
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: sidewalk corner on Broadway and just started playing. And like dude,

676
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: I made I made enough money. I bought my first

677
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: pair of Cowboy boots at boot Barn, and I got

678
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: very drunk on Broadway that night, and uh, and I

679
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: was just like, man, this city is like awesome, Like

680
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: there's just music everywhere, like I'd never really seen anything

681
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: like it, and that definitely planted a little bit of

682
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: a seed for me.

683
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 4: And then also I really loved the South.

684
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: I loved the people and just like the energy and

685
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: just the way people loved country music. And yeah, there

686
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: was just a culmination of a lot of things that

687
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: really drew me towards here. And after that I ended up.

688
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: I probably would have moved sooner had I not signed

689
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: my deal with Warner in Canada. In fact, around the

690
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: time I signed with them, I was about to move

691
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: to Nashville. Then I get this record deal, so I'm like, Okay,

692
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: it makes sense to stay in Canada, build a career,

693
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: do some touring, and kind of maybe revisit this move in.

694
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 4: A couple of years.

695
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: So a couple years later, I got to a point

696
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: where if I wasn't on the road, then I was

697
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: in Nashville writing, and every time I came back home,

698
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: I just I felt like I was trying to be

699
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: two different people. Like I was trying to be this

700
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: Megan that everyone had grown up with that wasn't a

701
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: touring artist with a record deal and everything, and these

702
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: people had totally different lives in me at this point

703
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: and I was loving what I was doing on the road.

704
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: I was loving being in Nashville, and I was having

705
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: a hard time reconciling that with who I was who

706
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: they had known me to be back home. And I

707
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: also felt like I just wasn't inspired, Like I wasn't

708
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: working when I was home. I was trying to just

709
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: do what everyone else was doing when what I really

710
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: wanted to be doing was like writing and creating. And

711
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: so I eventually I had a long term relationship to

712
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: at the time, and we broke up. I went on

713
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: tour with Tom cochrane for like a month, and I

714
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: was like, I got to figure out where I'm going

715
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: to live, and I realized, like, well not Nashville.

716
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 2: Life is a highway to con.

717
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 4: Sang that song many times, That's the one.

718
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: It was a random I don't know, he saw something,

719
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: he saw something that I did, and he asked for me.

720
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 4: I guess, and I was like, awesome, And it was great.

721
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 4: It was a great experience.

722
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: It was a great challenge playing for a crowd and

723
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: demographic that wasn't really my normal crowd in demographic.

724
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 4: I think I learned a lot as a as an entertainer,

725
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 4: like how to read the.

726
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: Crowd and how to play for different people and kind of,

727
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: you know, figure out what they're what they want, and

728
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: give it to them. But yeah, I came back from

729
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: that and you know, my mom is American, my dad's Canadian,

730
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: so I have dual citizenship. And I was like, man,

731
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: why would I even stay here? Like this is the

732
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: time to move to Nashville. So I reached out to

733
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,959
Speaker 1: a friend who was living here and I barely even

734
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: knew her. She was just another Canadian. And I was like, Hey,

735
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: what's a good place to live in Nashville? And she's like, well,

736
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,959
Speaker 1: actually I need a roommate. Do you want to live

737
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: with me? And so she found us a place. I

738
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: came off the road and probably thirty six hours later

739
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: I had a truck and a trailer backed up and

740
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: drove down here.

741
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: What year was that?

742
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 4: That was six years ago? I think was that twenty seventeen?

743
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 2: What times? All weird and melted now?

744
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 4: But totally yeah.

745
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 2: I saw I've been to Toronto before and that's Ontario, right, yep?

746
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: And Ontario you can tell me if I'm right Ontario.

747
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: Those are like states. So Ontario is the state you

748
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: got dumb it down for us?

749
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:03,959
Speaker 4: Here.

750
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, the state was the province was Ontario. Yes, so yeah,

751
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 2: where was your town in relation to Toronto? Because I

752
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 2: know where that is.

753
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I grew up about it's about forty five

754
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: minutes to an hour east of Toronto.

755
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: What do we considered a suburb?

756
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 4: I mean, like now.

757
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: Probably it was pretty small and rural when I was

758
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: growing up. It has changed a lot since I moved

759
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: and it's a lot more developed now. It's right, it's

760
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: right on Lake Ontario, so it's close.

761
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 4: To the water.

762
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: First time I met you, I think I was doing

763
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: a series of shows working on material at a small

764
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: theater down in Franklin, and I would do like to

765
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 2: today today, and Mitchell had come out and you were

766
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:38,959
Speaker 2: with him.

767
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

768
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: I don't know that you guys were married yet.

769
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 4: We were not. Now we just got married last October.

770
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: Then for sure you wouldn't have been married out yet.

771
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I was a few years ago now.

772
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: And maybe you were just I don't know how long

773
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: you has dated. But I remember them being like yeah,

774
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: and this is probably where my impression of you comes in.

775
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: They were like, yeah, that's Megan Patrick. She's a country

776
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: artists from Canada. She's a real fire cracker. I remember

777
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: somebody saying that who calls people a firecracker? I remember

778
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: it being like, oh, I should, I should probably watch

779
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: out then, And so that was my first time meeting you.

780
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 2: But I don't think I really ever saw you perform

781
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: until did you do a showcase for iHeart? Have you

782
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 2: ever done here in Nashville? Yeah?

783
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 4: I did.

784
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: I did do something like just acoustic thing or with

785
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: a band, No, it's acoustic.

786
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did do something for it was like the

787
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 4: iHeart Summit or something.

788
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: Exactly, that's what it was.

789
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

790
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: That's the person I ever saw your perform. Yeah, because

791
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of radio people in there, right, And

792
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: I was like, God, actually good and so I'd always

793
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 2: you know, I kept up with you because of Mitchell,

794
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 2: because I know Mitchell a bit. And I saw you

795
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 2: at uh at Rumbule and I was like, Hey, what's

796
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: the deal, And you said you're now with Riser House.

797
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 2: Is that so to explain that to me?

798
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, you know, Warner Canada and I parted ways

799
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: at the end of last year, and you know, I'm

800
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: super grateful to everything. I mean, they started my career

801
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: and we did a lot of great things together, and

802
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: I think, you know, there's a lot of changes in

803
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: personnel over there, and we.

804
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 4: Just we had it. We had different ideas of where

805
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 4: we needed to go.

806
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 2: Also, do they want to keep you in Canada?

807
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 4: No?

808
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: I mean when I signed at Warner Canada, I'd made

809
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: it very clear to them that my intention was to

810
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: come to the US and to I wanted to be

811
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,959
Speaker 1: like an international artist, and so that was always really clear.

812
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: And I actually structured my deal in a way that

813
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: if Warner Canada had not procured me, I guess an

814
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,439
Speaker 1: American deal in Warner Nashville passed on me, they'd first

815
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: rites refusal. Then I could take back the US territory.

816
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: I would own that again, and I could then go

817
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: sign with whoever I wanted after a certain I think

818
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: it was my third record or something. So that's what happened,

819
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 1: and I went to Riser and then yeah, we Warner

820
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: and I parted ways at the end of last year,

821
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: and so now I'm just with Riser and it's been awesome. No.

822
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 4: I love new beginnings and fresh starts, I really do.

823
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: And you know, like I said, I think it had

824
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: just run its course, and I had felt very stifled

825
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: and kind of suffocated and really stuck for the last

826
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: couple of years just creatively and like just feeling like

827
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: I couldn't move forward and do what I wanted to do.

828
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: And so now I feel like I have a clear

829
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: road ahead of me. I also got new management. I

830
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: signed at make Wake and my manager, Randy, is killing it,

831
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: and I just feel like I finally have the right

832
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: people around me that we share the same ideas about

833
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: how we find success, and we share the same ideas about,

834
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: you know, putting fans first and building things organically and authentically,

835
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: and also, you know, I mean, it takes a lot

836
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 1: of courage to truly be yourself as an artist, and

837
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: it takes a lot of courage to manage someone who

838
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: is doing that and be on that ride with them

839
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: and take the leaps with them and trust in what

840
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: they do and allowing them to take those chances and

841
00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: step outside of the box.

842
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 4: And I definitely have that. So I'm very grateful for that.

843
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 3: The Bobby Cast will be right back. Welcome back to

844
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 3: the Bobby Cast.

845
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: What's the hardest thing about managing.

846
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 4: You, Randy?

847
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 2: What do you think it is? I'll give you a

848
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 2: second thing I can I can vamp for a second.

849
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 2: For me, I think it's probably that I have seventeen

850
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 2: things going at once, and I'm bouncing quickly one to

851
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: the next one or the next day. What about this,

852
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 2: It's just I'm all over the place. But I feel

853
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: like in a very disciplined and deliberate way. If it's

854
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 2: I'm working on a book, I always got the radio show,

855
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 2: I'm doing this today. For me, I know that's difficult

856
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: for my team sometimes.

857
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

858
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 2: Sure, For you, what is it? What's the hardest thing

859
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: about managing you?

860
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know. There's a couple of things

861
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 4: that come to mind.

862
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: Well, One, I love to hunt, and I spend a

863
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: lot of time outdoors with no service, and so I'm

864
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: not always I really like it's necessary for me to

865
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: get off the grid sometimes, which is probably not ideal

866
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 1: for management.

867
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 4: And I don't know, probably just like managing.

868
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: My expectations and like or when I get frustrated about something,

869
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: like I get very frustrated by people not being honest

870
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: with me, being like lazy or complacent about things, because

871
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: I am I get up every morning like I'm going

872
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: to do everything today and I'm going to absolutely crush

873
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: it and and so does my manager Randy. But when

874
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: other people around me, like when I feel like they're

875
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 1: not being honest with me, or they're kind of dancing

876
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: around the truth, or they're just not getting stuff done,

877
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: I get very agitated.

878
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 4: And she probably takes that. She kind of absorbs a

879
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 4: lot of that on my behalf. Sorry.

880
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 2: When you make music and you listen to music, and

881
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: by the way, your new EP's out great to show

882
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: on dirt, but even this for example, for an example,

883
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 2: are you just so particular? Are you listening to it

884
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 2: a hundred times picking out notes, or are you going,

885
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 2: this is good, it makes you feel good, It's exactly

886
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: what we wanted to push out, Like which version are you?

887
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 4: I think I'm like a happy medium.

888
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm very very picky about my vocals

889
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: because that's one thing that like I'm in control of

890
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: and I know what I'm capable of, and I know

891
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: what I can and you know can't do. So if

892
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: I feel like if it's if I feel like it's

893
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: not where it needs to be, then I'm gonna do.

894
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: And my producer has been like, Megan, it's good.

895
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 4: I was like, it's not good enough.

896
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: But I mean, I don't get I kind of like

897
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: to let the band like do their thing and and

898
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: not be like micromanaging the music too much. But yeah,

899
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: I mean I'm fairly I'm fairly picky for sure, But

900
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: I think I'm pretty good at like deferring to my

901
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: team too and my producers and saying like, Okay, I

902
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: feel like this is like bothering me, but maybe I'm

903
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: being crazy or you know, what do you guys think?

904
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: And then you know, I think we have I think

905
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: we have a lot of trust amongst ourselves and we

906
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: can have great conversations where we defer to each other

907
00:38:59,280 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: when we need to.

908
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 2: So I feel like one of the best things to

909
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 2: happen to me in therapy is awareness. At least I

910
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 2: never am fully self aware, but having some self awareness.

911
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: Do you feel like therapy has helped you be more

912
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: self aware even of the expectations you have of people.

913
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean, first just therapy as a whole. I mean,

914
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: I could not advocate for therapy more. I've been in

915
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: therapy for the last couple of years. I'm going to

916
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: shout out Porter's Call because they are incredible what they

917
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: do there, and it's changed my life.

918
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 2: Explain what that is real quick.

919
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, Porter's call.

920
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a free service to artists, and

921
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: they have therapists that are like specifically knowledgeable in our

922
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: career and what we do in this industry, so they're

923
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: you know, they have that information and understanding of like

924
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: the particular things that we might struggle with in our industry,

925
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: which is incredibly helpful because I've done other therapy before and.

926
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 4: You don't have that. And yeah, and it's free for artists.

927
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 4: It's incredible.

928
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: So that's been important to you.

929
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 4: It's Yeah, it's.

930
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: Been a huge help for me, and you know, just

931
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: figuring out like why I am the way I am,

932
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: and you know, figuring out how to how to work

933
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: on some of the parts of myself that I that

934
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: I didn't like or that I knew were very reactive

935
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: to just past trauma and things that I'd been through

936
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: and traumatic relationships, abusive relationships, manipulative relationships with people that

937
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: have made me doubt myself and second guess myself and

938
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: my confidence in myself, and also recognizing like I'm an

939
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 1: I'm a very direct person and I'm a very blunt person,

940
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: and I do that because I think that's like a

941
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: sign of respect to speak to someone that way, because

942
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: that's how I want to be spoken to. I don't

943
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 1: like it when I feel like someone.

944
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 2: Is bsing me like directness is kindness to you.

945
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I think like honesty and directness is like

946
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: kindness and respect to me, because if you aren't willing

947
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: to do that for me, that makes me feel like

948
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 1: you don't respect me, or you don't like think I

949
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: can handle it, or something like that, and that bothers me.

950
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 4: But I recognize that some people they need a little

951
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 4: sugar on top, you know.

952
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: And I'm not being inauthentic to myself by reading the

953
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: room and just taking a different approach to get the

954
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 1: desired result and have a better relationship with the people

955
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: around me, especially the people I work with, because when

956
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: I get in business mode, like I said, I'm like,

957
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: here are the facts, here's what we need to do,

958
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: here's what you need to do, here's what you need

959
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: to do, and it can come off a little like

960
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 1: abrasive or scary. Sometimes I guess.

961
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: I get that too, and that's not always the goal.

962
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 2: And I think it, Yeah, everybody here to say that

963
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 2: about me too, that at times it can be a

964
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: little too direct where it almost feels rude and don't

965
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: mean it to be rude, but I'm just trying to

966
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 2: be extremely efficient.

967
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 4: That's right, efficiency, thank you.

968
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: And I've also had to learn that that's let's not

969
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 2: waste your time, absolutely, and that's ANIR based communication style though,

970
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 2: And I've had to also learn that that's on me

971
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: a little bit, yeah, because I will just go ABCD,

972
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: that's it. Break, that's just because it's my communication style.

973
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get it.

974
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: I gotta be like, all right, I know, I know

975
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 2: Reid needs to be hugged a little bit, right read

976
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: I need to say, Reid, you do this, I'm a

977
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 2: little hug and yeah. So I think that's what's been

978
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 2: good for me is my communication doesn't always have to

979
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 2: be just mostly it is right. I get email tone,

980
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 2: I get bad email tone all the time. Yeah, I'm like,

981
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 2: I'm not going mean, I just said, need to do this.

982
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: I cannot tell you how much I relate to that.

983
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: And I think, like two, it's even worse as a

984
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: woman because that kind of directness, especially in business, I

985
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,959
Speaker 1: think is more accepted amongst men, but when a woman

986
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: does it, it's it's.

987
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: Basically to be right, that's what they say.

988
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, I was just thinking about the office.

989
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 1: I think it was Dwight said something like, I'm not

990
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: going to waste your time, and I wouldn't dare waste mine.

991
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 4: That's kind of how.

992
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah about it? The CP that's out now, Greatest Show

993
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 2: on Dirt. I put one of that. I put the

994
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: title track on the Women of Buy Our Country. Right, yeah,

995
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 2: so Mike, play me a little bit of that. Now

996
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 2: I can say song.

997
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 4: Wish long.

998
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: So you wrote the song. I'm always curious to know

999
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 2: how the title, how the idea came about, or how

1000
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: you turned a title into means something else, because to me,

1001
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: I hear great Show on Dirt, that's baseball because we

1002
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 2: had an arkanesal traveler for a baseball team with the

1003
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: Greatest Show on Dirt. However, that is not this song specifically,

1004
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 2: it's not about the Orchestral Travelers. No, no, it is not.

1005
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: Well, first, I can't I can't take credit for that title.

1006
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: That was Trany Anderson, whose incredible songwriter just had her

1007
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: first number one with Laney Wilson's Heart Like a Truck.

1008
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 1: We've been writing together a ton, and we were on

1009
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: writer's retreat with Jake Mitchell and Matt McGinn, and she

1010
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 1: just like casually drops this title and we're like that's amazing,

1011
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: Like how what? And I was like, okay, how do

1012
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: we not screw this up? And my first thought you

1013
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: you went to baseball? I thought about like rodeo, you know,

1014
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: and I mean I did own a horse once, but

1015
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: it was mostly just so I could like ride trails

1016
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: and drink beer. I was by no means any kind

1017
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: of like rodeo queen. And so I was like, okay,

1018
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: well that doesn't feel like authentic to me, so what

1019
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: else could it be? And I just was thinking about, like,

1020
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: you know, summer love, summer romance when you couldn't really

1021
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: there wasn't much to do where I grew up, so

1022
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: you mostly just rode around in back roads and you know,

1023
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: pull up somewhere, lay down a blanket, hang out, have.

1024
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 4: Some beers whatever.

1025
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: And I was like, so what if it's that, you know,

1026
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: just this throwback to this nostalgic relationship and where this

1027
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: guy is just he's he's handsome, and he's got all

1028
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 1: the right lines and you're just like in this dreamy

1029
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: cinematic thing. And I think what was cool about it

1030
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: is that you know, it's obviously implied that the relationship

1031
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: didn't work out in the end, but that wasn't the

1032
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: point of the song. It wasn't about the breakup or

1033
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: why they broke up. And I think it's cool that

1034
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: recognizing that, like, sometimes relationships are just meant to be

1035
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: for a period of time. They teach you something thing,

1036
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: or they just make you feel good, they make you happy,

1037
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: and then you move on and that's okay, and it

1038
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be like this painful breakup. You can

1039
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 1: still kind of look back on those moments fondly.

1040
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 3: Hank Ty, the Bobby Cast will be right back, and

1041
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 3: we're back on the Bobby Cast.

1042
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 2: Another song that I had programmed into the National show

1043
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: was She's No Good for Me? Is that the single?

1044
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 4: Now? Is that the That was the first one that

1045
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 4: came out, that was the lead single?

1046
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: Got it?

1047
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1048
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: I just picked songs.

1049
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, this one perfect.

1050
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,439
Speaker 2: So She's No Good for Me? Mike repla A little

1051
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: bit of that.

1052
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 4: I guess es how good for me?

1053
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: Give me? Give me that story a little bit too

1054
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 2: on this one.

1055
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1056
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: That was another different writers retreat, but also with Tranny

1057
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: and Jake Mitchell and Michael Whitworth. And I I can't

1058
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: even remember because it took us a while to actually

1059
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: come around to this idea. I think I had come

1060
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 1: in with this title learning how to Leave Her, and

1061
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: I was like, this is just feels like a cool title,

1062
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: but I'm like, I.

1063
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 4: Guess it would just be a guy song.

1064
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: And then we kind of talked around a bunch of

1065
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: different things, and I think it was Witworth it said, well,

1066
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: what if it was you speaking about like yourself, like

1067
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: learning how to leave her?

1068
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 4: And then we ended up landing on She's no good

1069
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 4: for me as being that hook.

1070
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: But we did leave learning how to Leave Her in

1071
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: the bridge, so it still made its moment.

1072
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 4: But we just kind of started talking.

1073
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: About you know, as I said, the last couple of

1074
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: years went through a lot of therapy. Obviously, the pandemic

1075
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: was rough for everyone, and I know for me it

1076
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: forced a lot of like self reflection, and you know,

1077
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: I had a lot of time to think about things

1078
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: and think about what kind of person do I want

1079
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: to be? Am I living a life that's that's a

1080
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: good life? Am I truly happy? Am I doing things

1081
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: that make me happy? Or am I my own worst enemy?

1082
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: And just kind of recognizing some of my behaviors that

1083
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: were probably fun at a time in my life, but

1084
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: we're no longer serving me just you know, just drinking

1085
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 1: too much and going out and drinking for the wrong

1086
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: reasons and then ending up in these toxic relationships and

1087
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: going back to these toxic relationships and just like being

1088
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: kind of this like pathetic, screwed up version of myself.

1089
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 4: And I just was like, I was just so tired

1090
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 4: of that, And.

1091
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: You know, I think it was part of that that

1092
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: journey is recognizing that, you know, your progress isn't always linear.

1093
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: Sometimes you slip up and you know you have a

1094
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: few too many or whatever, but as at least when

1095
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: you recognize that, you can start like moving forward towards

1096
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 1: a better version of yourself.

1097
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 2: So with you and Mitchell both being in music, and

1098
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 2: we struggle, my wife and I because I'm gone a lot.

1099
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 2: I can't imagine if she had a job that kept

1100
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 2: her away a lot. Yeah, it would be doubly as hard.

1101
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: So and you're both at that part of your career

1102
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: right now too where you just got to go yep, yeah,

1103
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: So how hard is that?

1104
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: You know, it's weird, It is really hard, But the

1105
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: fact that we both are doing that. I mean, yes,

1106
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,959
Speaker 1: it means less time together, but it's kind of also

1107
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: why it works because I think for both of us

1108
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: in the past, like previous relationships, like a lot of

1109
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: the issues and are both of our previous relationships was

1110
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 1: like I know, for me, was just feeling constantly guilty

1111
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: for doing my job and feeling like I always had

1112
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: to defend that, like doing certain things like going out

1113
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: to a party or a bar or an event where yes,

1114
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: people are drinking and having fun, but it is still work,

1115
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: it is still a networking opportunity or you know, things

1116
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: like that, and defending that like, no, this is work,

1117
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: this is part of my job, and feeling guilty for

1118
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: being gone all the time and prioritizing my career and music.

1119
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: And I've literally said to more than one boyfriend, like, listen,

1120
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: if you push me to choose, like, I won't choose you.

1121
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:55,479
Speaker 4: You know, I just won't.

1122
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: I've loved music, this has been my dream forever, like

1123
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: I and I don't feel like I should have to choose.

1124
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 4: And so when I met.

1125
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: Mitchell, you know, we both were actually really specifically trying

1126
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: to not date anybody when we met. He was he

1127
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: ended up signing he was talking with Sony at the time,

1128
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: so he signed his deal like maybe a month after

1129
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 1: we started seeing each other, and I was like, in

1130
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: the thick of it in Canada, I was touring a bunch.

1131
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: I mean after we met, I went on tour for

1132
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: like a month, and I just figured, well, you know,

1133
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: he'll just he'll go to me in like a week.

1134
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: He's another artist, songwriter, you know, guy in Nashville who

1135
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: thinks he's God's gift to the country and women and

1136
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 1: you know whatever. And he wasn't he We talked every day,

1137
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: and you know, he ended up saying to me about

1138
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: three chords the way through the tour, Yeah, I kind

1139
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 1: of want to lock this down.

1140
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 4: So do you want to date?

1141
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: And I was like, all right, cool, and then I

1142
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: was like, I'm not really sure what that means. He's like,

1143
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: I mean like like I'm committing to you.

1144
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 4: And I was like all right. And then I think

1145
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 4: it was forty five minutes later, I'm on the bus

1146
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 4: and I get a text. He's like, so just to

1147
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 4: be clear, like I can.

1148
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: Tell people you're my girlfriend, right, But it's that weird thing,

1149
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 1: like does that even what do these terms mean?

1150
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 4: What does dating? See each other, what does that even

1151
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 4: mean anymore?

1152
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 2: So?

1153
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: But it's you know, I just Mitchell, there is nobody

1154
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: happier for my successes than my husband. And you know,

1155
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: because he's been through it and he goes through it

1156
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: and he's lived here his whole life too.

1157
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 4: He just he understands what I have to do. And

1158
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 4: you know, he called me.

1159
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: I was I think it was after we did the

1160
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: Luke com Show in Detroit and I called him and

1161
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: I was just like, I'm so happy, babe, Like everything

1162
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: is happening that I've dreamed about and I miss you,

1163
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 1: but I'm so happy.

1164
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 4: And he was like, you got to go out and

1165
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 4: get it. He's like, don't worry about me.

1166
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: We got forever. Like it's all good. You know, you

1167
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: got to go out there and get it. And I'm

1168
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: proud of you.

1169
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 4: So I don't think I could do this without him

1170
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 4: doing that. I mean, I give me that support and

1171
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 4: I kind of love him to. Yeah, he's pretty awesome.

1172
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 2: Is it difficult to, you know, have some success in

1173
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 2: a place and then go to some place.

1174
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 4: Where nobody cares about you.

1175
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost how I feel. State to state.

1176
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 4: Uh huh.

1177
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 2: I can go somewhere and it's like, yeah, everybody's like, oh,

1178
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 2: I got then I'll go to other places like they

1179
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 2: don't care. It's like, hey guy, get out of the road.

1180
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 2: And I've come to enjoy that now. Yeah, going to

1181
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 2: the places where they like get out of the road. However,

1182
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 2: it's got to be a weird feeling for you to

1183
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 2: have people know you and then start over.

1184
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1185
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll say this like I had already been

1186
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: coming down to Nashville pretty regularly to write before I

1187
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: ever moved here, and really like took a real run

1188
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: at trying to build a career here, and so I

1189
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: was I knew what it was going to be, Like,

1190
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: I knew that was going to happen. That wasn't That

1191
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: wasn't any kind of shock to me. That doesn't mean

1192
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: that I haven't had moments where I've been really frustrated,

1193
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: you know, because it's like, I don't know, feeling like

1194
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: people are treating you like like you just stepped off

1195
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: the bus yesterday, and it's like, look, i know that

1196
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: I'm new here, but I'm not new to this industry.

1197
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: I've been I've been playing in bands and touring and

1198
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: doing this since I was like fourteen years old, and

1199
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: I already built a really successful career in cana to

1200
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: doing things this way? Can you give me a little

1201
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: credit here that I know what I'm doing, you know,

1202
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: and I know that it is. There are definitely differences

1203
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: in the two industries for sure, between Canada and the US.

1204
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: But you know, I think it's just yeah, I mean

1205
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: it's it's humbling, for sure, But it just didn't matter.

1206
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 4: I just wanted it and I just was like, well,

1207
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 4: it's just what it takes. You're just gonna have to

1208
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 4: what are you gonna do?

1209
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: Quit?

1210
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 4: No, So just suck it up. It is what it is,

1211
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 4: and you figure out a way around it.

1212
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: You just keep getting up every day and convincing people

1213
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 1: you deserve to be there and keep proving them wrong.

1214
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 4: And that's all you can do.

1215
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 2: I mean, it feels very much like you're training for

1216
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 2: something like when you yeah, that's how you had to

1217
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 2: prepare to trailing for whatever it is, if it's being

1218
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 2: a gymnast, if it's I mean, it's the same mindset, absolutely,

1219
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 2: and you've maintained it and you've just put it somewhere

1220
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 2: else totally.

1221
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1222
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: I just can't picture you flying and landing upside down

1223
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 2: your head.

1224
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,479
Speaker 1: I mean that is yeah, I mean thankfully I didn't

1225
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: have to see it happen. I think it was probably

1226
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: scarier for the people that saw. I mean, my friend

1227
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: Matt was right behind me on the hill and when

1228
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: he got to me, I was unconscious.

1229
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 4: I bit my tongue, so.

1230
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: There was like blood everywhere, and I was like laying

1231
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 1: there in this like very unnatural position, like not moving.

1232
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 4: I still feel bad for that. For Matt, I think,

1233
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 4: I think, I.

1234
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 2: See he's not the one that feel bad for Megan.

1235
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 4: No, he went He went to two Olympics actually, so

1236
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 4: he crushed it.

1237
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you think you could have got there?

1238
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 4: You know, I've never put a lot of thought into

1239
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 4: that because it just it's just not to grow to me.

1240
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 4: I'm glad I didn't. I'll say that.

1241
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: I listen, I couldn't have gotten NFL. It doesn't matter

1242
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 2: if I was not getting to the NFL. Do you

1243
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 2: think with the proper training you could have gotten you

1244
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: get a professional? Yeah? I think so.

1245
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 4: I mean I think that, like, you know, there's a

1246
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 4: lot of factors.

1247
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: I mean, one is injury, and there's not much no

1248
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: matter how great you are, there's not a lot you

1249
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: can do about injuries obviously, but I don't know. I

1250
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: just I'm a very, very driven and ambitious person and

1251
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 1: nothing fuels me more than someone thinking I can't do something. Yeah,

1252
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: and I'm just very competitive, So I like to believe

1253
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: I would I would.

1254
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 4: Have figured it out.

1255
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 2: I admire that about you just fifty minutes that we've

1256
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 2: been here, Like, I really admire that because I can

1257
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 2: just see it in different parts of your life. But

1258
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 2: you know, that same energy, that same dedication, it's just

1259
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 2: insert something else. Well, I got hurt here, I can't

1260
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 2: do this. Let me find my next passion, and I'm

1261
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 2: going to put equally as much time and effort and

1262
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 2: energy into it.

1263
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: Well, I think that, Like I get a lot of

1264
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 1: that from my dad, you know. And he was just

1265
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: kind of the kind of guy was like, well, if

1266
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: you're going to do it, don't do it half assed.

1267
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 2: I imagine he was like he had to be right

1268
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 2: to be I mean, great of an athlete.

1269
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a great athlete. Business owner, boat builds.

1270
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:45,919
Speaker 2: Boats and like hog ainny ones even.

1271
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, he plays guitar a little bit too. Yeah, he's

1272
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 4: pretty bad.

1273
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 2: When did you start playing guitar? Was with the first

1274
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 2: after the car Wreck.

1275
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: I didn't really start. I kind of messed around with

1276
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: it a little bit in high school. But the band

1277
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: that I played in in high school, I didn't play guitar.

1278
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,760
Speaker 1: I just SA So I never actually got really serious

1279
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: about guitar until I was in the bluegrass band, because

1280
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: I mean I'd already been playing, and I was like

1281
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: self taught, and I learned some like covers or whatever,

1282
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: and written a little bit. But when I met Sam,

1283
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: he was a great guitar player, and he basically when

1284
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: we started writing songs together, he would just write guitar

1285
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 1: parts that were, like he knew were above my skill

1286
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: set because he knew I would rather die than admit

1287
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: that I couldn't play them, and I would go sit

1288
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: there and play untill I had blisters on my fingers

1289
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 1: and figured it out.

1290
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 4: So again I'm grateful to him for that.

1291
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 2: What is success to you now?

1292
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 4: Like, what do I see as like the ultimate success or?

1293
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 2: Like I'm not pinpointing, You're not gonna imagine. I'm just

1294
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 2: asking the question, and I just want to see where

1295
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 2: your head goes, Like what's what's your definition of success?

1296
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 4: Okay?

1297
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: So I mean right now, currently, in this moment, I

1298
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: feel very successful because I just made a record that

1299
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: I love. It's exactly the record I wanted to make,

1300
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 1: and I'm on the right and I'm touring, I'm doing

1301
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: this podcast, I'm doing a lot of I'm living in

1302
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: a lot of one day.

1303
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 4: I hope this happens moments.

1304
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 1: So I think that's amazing, and I'm trying to get

1305
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 1: better at living in the current successes as opposed to

1306
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: just always thinking about the next. But in the bigger picture,

1307
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: for me, success is that I can sell a lot

1308
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: of tickets for as long as I want to be

1309
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: on a stage. I mean, obviously I'm going to work

1310
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: for awards and radio number ones and all of that,

1311
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: but there's just nothing more fulfilling to me than a

1312
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: sold out crowd and a big stage. I love performing,

1313
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: so yeah, so if I can be selling out stadiums

1314
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,879
Speaker 1: one day, that's success. But if it's not stadiums, it's

1315
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: still going to be great.

1316
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 4: But I'm going to aim for that.

1317
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 2: Are you neurotic if you're doing a Megan Patrick show?

1318
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 2: Are you neurotic about ticket sales when they go on

1319
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 2: ticket sales right before the show? Or are you like

1320
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 2: it is what it is? I'm going to go just

1321
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 2: attack whatever.

1322
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: At that point, it is what it is, because is

1323
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: getting nervous and neurotic is only going to affect my show.

1324
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: And I can't be thinking about the people that didn't

1325
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: buy tickets while the people who did buy tickets are

1326
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: sitting there expecting a show.

1327
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 2: So good for you. I can't do that.

1328
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's easy. I'm just saying that's what

1329
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 4: I tell myself.

1330
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, good for you. I was with Jordan Davis probably

1331
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 2: a week or so ago, and we were we were

1332
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 2: playing golf actually, and his tickets were going on Selle

1333
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 2: for his tour because he's doing bigger venues, he's doing amphitheaters,

1334
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, tickets just went on sale,

1335
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 2: like they literally just went up like noon on that Friday.

1336
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 2: We were together and I was like a little nervous,

1337
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 2: and he'd was like, well, I said, hey, you can

1338
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 2: tell me because I'm I do theaters and I look

1339
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 2: at every single sit like a log on and he's

1340
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 2: like yeah, he said, I am, and I think, and

1341
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 2: we kind of bonded over that moment because it's I

1342
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 2: think I get nervous and eurotic because I don't want

1343
00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 2: I guess I value too much that people buying tickets

1344
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 2: or not buying tickets is reflective of health, your value,

1345
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 2: how valuable I am. Yeah, And so when nobody buys,

1346
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I guess I suck and I'm not.

1347
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 2: And I think that that's just that's just the stuff

1348
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 2: I have to work on on me. But I think

1349
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 2: a lot of us deal with that. But I feel

1350
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 2: like I like your answer better than I'm just start

1351
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 2: using that one.

1352
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: Like, I think, like a lot of that is just

1353
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a million things in like metrics in

1354
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: this industry that we use to like measure artist's value,

1355
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: you know, and some of them are good metrics and

1356
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: some of them aren't. And I mean, at the end

1357
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: of the day, like look when I did my first

1358
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: headlining tour in Canada, I was doing theaters, and yeah,

1359
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: I was terrified.

1360
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 4: I had nightmares all the time of like walking out

1361
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 4: on stage and there was no one in the crowd.

1362
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,479
Speaker 4: And we ended up doing great. We had some sold

1363
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 4: out shows, some close to sold out shows. I mean,

1364
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 4: it was incredible, But.

1365
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: You know, I just have to remind myself of like

1366
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: I just don't see the value in letting something like

1367
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: destroy your sense of worth or or make you depress

1368
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: about it, because to me, that's just affecting your work ethic.

1369
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: You could just be looking at it like, Okay, so

1370
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: I didn't do what this hoped it would do. So

1371
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: now I can sit and address why that happened, and

1372
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just do better next time and just use

1373
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: it as a motivator as opposed to letting it like

1374
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: bring you down.

1375
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 4: I just I just think that's like not helpful. I'll

1376
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 4: make your general energy.

1377
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 2: All that sounds good and I wish.

1378
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I tell myself this all the time. You

1379
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: don't always feel that way, but you just yeah, you

1380
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: just gotta find a way to keep pushing through.

1381
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: Did you write today?

1382
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 4: I did not write today.

1383
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 2: What did you do today? How was your day today?

1384
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 4: I just got up and worked out and started packing

1385
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 4: for Key.

1386
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 2: West Big The Big Writers is the songwriter festival.

1387
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we'll be there.

1388
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: Mitchell and I get to go together, which will be fun.

1389
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: And then I'm headed to Chicago. I'm headlining the Whiskey

1390
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: Jam stage at the Luke homb Show the tailgate party.

1391
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's going to be a good, good week.

1392
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 2: When do you leave for that.

1393
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna to leave from Key West on Friday.

1394
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when do you leave to Key West?

1395
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 4: Did you say tomorrow? Yeah?

1396
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 2: And you're excited about that?

1397
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 4: Yeah. I love key West. It's kind of like where

1398
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 4: Mitchell and I really sort of fell in love. It

1399
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 4: was the first time.

1400
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: It was the first trip we ever took together after

1401
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: we had like technically been dating for months but had

1402
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: barely seen each other because I'd been on tour. So

1403
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: it was the first time we spent like a full

1404
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: week together and it was awesome. I also just made

1405
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,439
Speaker 1: some of my best friends that week, to Jordan Rager,

1406
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: who's my my manager's husband and a great songwriter, and

1407
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: Michael Whitworth. We wrote my song Wild is Me, which

1408
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: was about Mitchell, and they actually just surprised me at

1409
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: the Opry and it was my first gold record as

1410
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: an artist.

1411
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 2: Congratulations.

1412
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's a special place.

1413
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 2: You also just it was your first Opry performance too.

1414
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 4: Right, Deut Yeah?

1415
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 2: Last month? Yeah, how'd that go?

1416
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: It's still hard to put into words how incredible that

1417
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: night was. And I think, well, like I think going

1418
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: back to our conversation about you know, coming here as

1419
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: a Canadian and kind of like starting all over again.

1420
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: To me, that is it's like the ultimate yes from

1421
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: the industry, from country music, from Nashville. Like that felt

1422
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: like after years and years and years of trying to

1423
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: just like claw my way through, finally they said, hey,

1424
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: we see you, we accept you.

1425
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 4: We want you to play this stage.

1426
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: And yeah, I just it was just an amazing night

1427
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: with all the people that helped me get there. I

1428
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: had a lot of people that came in from back home,

1429
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: and a lot of my friends and co writers and

1430
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: stuff were there, and I just felt so loved and

1431
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: it was just an incredible moment because the last couple

1432
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: of years have been the most challenging and frustrating, depressing

1433
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: years of my life and career, to be honest, and

1434
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: it was the first time in my life that I

1435
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: actually allowed myself to consider that maybe I couldn't do this,

1436
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: that maybe I didn't have what it takes.

1437
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 4: And it kind of broke me for a second.

1438
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: And then you know, I decided that that was crazy,

1439
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:56,959
Speaker 1: and like, what else was I going to do besides music?

1440
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: And I just started focusing on writing and just writing

1441
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: the songs that I wanted to write and trying to

1442
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: figure out what my next step was and my manager Randy,

1443
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: when she came into the picture. For me, that was

1444
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: a huge catalyst because I really finally had someone that

1445
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 1: believed in me and understood me and had the courage

1446
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 1: to take the path that I wanted to take and

1447
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: do things the way I wanted to do it. And

1448
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: it just gave me a little extra fuel to just

1449
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: keep pushing. And then next thing I know, I'm playing

1450
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 1: the Opry and it was like, this is why, this

1451
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,479
Speaker 1: is why you stay, and this is why you keep working.

1452
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: When you think you can't work anymore, and when you

1453
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: think it's not going to happen, that's when a lot

1454
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: of people give up.

1455
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 4: And you got to be the one that doesn't give up.

1456
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 4: That's how you end up playing the Opry.

1457
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 2: Final two questions, Why didn't you give up?

1458
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,439
Speaker 4: I wouldn't never, like I could have never. I don't

1459
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 4: give up. I just don't.

1460
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: And it's just not it's not in my DNA. And

1461
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: it also was just like I mean there, I don't

1462
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: exist like without music. It's such an integral part of

1463
01:02:58,800 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: like who I am.

1464
01:02:59,480 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 4: I love me.

1465
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: I think about it all day every day, think about

1466
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: songs all day every day. I've never been happier or

1467
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: felt more myself than in those moments on stage when

1468
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: I'm playing for a crowd singing songs that I wrote, like,

1469
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 1: there's just there's absolutely nothing I don't think I could

1470
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,439
Speaker 1: ever find that would feel like that, So it would

1471
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: just I mean, I would just be miserable.

1472
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 2: Best concert you ever you've ever been to?

1473
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 4: Oh, that's so hard.

1474
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 2: Can't be a festival. Okay, that's like a greatest hits album.

1475
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 4: That's tough. Yeah, because I was gonna say some of

1476
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 4: the shows, some of the artists that I saw.

1477
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 2: At Bonner, that's like going counting Crow's greatest Hits, no

1478
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 2: Loser kicking the album, best single concert you have ever

1479
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 2: been to? Then there has to be no specific reasons.

1480
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 2: Have to sound the best it could. Okay, an experience

1481
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 2: you had.

1482
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,439
Speaker 1: I saw No Doubt play like a long time ago

1483
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: when I was like younger, and I would say that

1484
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: because Gwen Stefani is amazing and it was the first

1485
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: time I ever saw a female artist not only like

1486
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 1: be a great singer, but like an entertainer.

1487
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 4: I mean, she was all over that stage.

1488
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: Her energy was crazy, she looked so cool, like her

1489
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: voice was like she was just amazing and so that

1490
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: was like a catalyst for me being like I want

1491
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: to be her, I want to do that.

1492
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, I saw Bush once when I was young

1493
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 2: and it was awesome. And then you know they're planning

1494
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 2: breathe in, breathe on Glassereene whatever. What I remembered about

1495
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 2: it though, And I never remember the band name, it

1496
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 2: didn't for a while, but they had some There was

1497
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 2: this crazy opening act they had for them, and this

1498
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 2: lead singer was like climbing stuff and was still able

1499
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 2: to like sing even though that, and it was no doubt.

1500
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 2: It was what's so funny because they end up getting married, right,

1501
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, And so that was Bush's

1502
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 2: opening act. Wow, And I remember I was like, I

1503
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 2: think it was like doubting yourself for something I saw

1504
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 2: my friends, but it was no doubt and it was

1505
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 2: an amazing show. Yeah awesoy is Yeah. All right, well

1506
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 2: look we've done an hour. They could do another half. Congratulations,

1507
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 2: thank you on. I liked your answer about why you

1508
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 2: didn't give up because I don't give either.

1509
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 4: It's not I feel like I should, but well I

1510
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 4: can I give up on like shitty men. That's what

1511
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 4: you should think you should give up.

1512
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 2: On you give crappy men as well. Now I just

1513
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 2: have good ones Mike and Read.

1514
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: And that's it.

1515
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 2: Those only two men. Here's what I want to say.

1516
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 2: You guys, go follow Meghan Meghan Patrick music. But there's

1517
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 2: an age in Meghan Patrick music. So it's M E.

1518
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: G H A N.

1519
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 2: And I really like how you're doing this.

1520
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: Thank you, you know.

1521
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 2: And I'm not just saying that.

1522
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 4: Because I know you wouldn't just say it.

1523
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. And I've also taken your songs and placed

1524
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 2: them in things just to go thank you, like I

1525
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Speaker 2: like it, respect it, thank you. I like what you're doing.

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01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 2: I like how you're doing it. And so I mean,

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01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 2: if I just said that but hadn't shown anything, you

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01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 2: could say like, well, why don't you show me? But yeah,

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Speaker 2: just you're not gonna not make it because you're not

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Speaker 2: gonna stop.

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01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 4: That's that's pretty much it.

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01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 1: That's the only way you guarantee success, honestly, is that

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01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: you just agree that you're never gonna stop.

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Speaker 2: Don't quit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just don't quit.

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Speaker 2: Don't quit. Congratulations, good luck you know out with the

1537
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 2: Loot deal and the Rider deal and all the deals

1538
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 2: you got and your manager seems cool. She seems like

1539
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 2: of a dealer brought up eight times. But also right there, Randy,

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01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 2: you're sitting right.

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01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 1: You got to give credit where credits due. I would

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01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 1: still talk about her if she wasn't here.

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Speaker 2: So congratulations and everything. Thank you, and you guys check

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Speaker 2: it out. We talked about it before the show started here.

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01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 2: But the Greatest Show on Dirt EP it is out now.

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01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 2: The first single was She's No Good for Me? But

1547
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 2: what is it? Is the Greatest Show on Dirt? The

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01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 2: single now what is there? A single?

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01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: The Greatest Show on Dirt came out with the pre

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01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 1: save and I think we're kind of flipping focus to

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01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 1: red roses and red flags.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Mike, can you play a little bit of that?

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01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 2: All right? Here we go. That's good.

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01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 3: That's good, that's good.

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01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 1: That's a really it's probably my favorite maybe my favorite song.

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01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 1: It's my favorite song to play live for sure. We actually,

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01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to just toot my own horn for a second.

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01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: We did get a standing ovation at the Opry for

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01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 1: this song.

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Speaker 2: That's just a cool, that's just good. These red roses

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Speaker 2: might as well be ready.

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01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 1: Well, my many failed relationships with toxic men led me

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01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 1: to this, so thanks.

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01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 2: I wrote a whole book on failure.

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01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 4: Totally Taylor swifted them, you know, I.

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01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 2: Mean, you show them all right, you guys following Megan, Meghan,

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Speaker 2: good to see you. And that's it for this week.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.