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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 2: I'm Bizarre, Bizarre and Lazarre.

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Speaker 3: Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined as always by our bars.

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Speaker 2: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars.

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Speaker 3: Calebon chase On fifteen million right now per years around

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Speaker 3: where you know over the Cap has.

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Speaker 2: A three year forty north of that three year forty.

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Speaker 3: Five million dollars total contract fifteen million aav.

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Speaker 1: How much do you value you know it works, familiarity, yep,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 2: And do they want a guy?

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Speaker 1: I think we all like he's a one beat and

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Speaker 1: maybe Mafe becomes the one A or somebody you draft

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Speaker 1: or Hendrickson. I don't think you get it's not going

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Speaker 1: to be chase On in one of those guys.

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Speaker 2: It's tough. Fifteen plus million. Who's Zion Johnson has a third?

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Speaker 3: What favorite design does Ian rappaport ow to Zion Johnson

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Speaker 3: has him?

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Speaker 1: Had four years, fifty one million, twenty seven guarantees.

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Speaker 3: Banana land, Banana lands for Zion Johnson. Well, some of

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Speaker 3: those guys signed in the last couple of days.

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Speaker 1: Alex Years, Zion Johnson.

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Speaker 3: Banana Land, I repeat banana Land. Uh, the Patriots got

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Speaker 3: the better player for less money with Elijah.

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Speaker 1: Very well, there's yeah, they got the better player for

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Speaker 1: less money's on the field.

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Speaker 3: Yeah whatever, better player, he's a better player anyways, Hello,

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Speaker 3: hard Heart open there, Evan. Was our Alex bars Patriots

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Speaker 3: catch twenty two with you for the next couple of hours.

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Speaker 3: Talking of course, free agency, we are we are very close,

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Speaker 3: Alex to this being no longer tampering, legal tampering. We

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Speaker 3: are now getting into the actual league Year's is.

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 1: They changed that.

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Speaker 3: It's four o'clock Eastern time this afternoon where teams can

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Speaker 3: officially start putting pen to paper. And as somebody that

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Speaker 3: when we write up our free agent and see breaking

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Speaker 3: news things and have to put reportedly seventeen hundred times

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Speaker 3: in the post the Max Crosby trade last night, is

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Speaker 3: exactly why they wait until four o'clock to start putting

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Speaker 3: out transactions as a team, because these things can fall through.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm not saying anything has happened like that on

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Speaker 3: the Patriots side, but these things can fall through, as

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Speaker 3: we saw. So four o'clock today is the official start

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Speaker 3: happy new year of the league year, and that's when

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Speaker 3: players can start coming in and signing pen to paper

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Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff. So we're going to

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Speaker 3: talk about the reported signings for the Patriots here today.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about what they still have to do,

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Speaker 3: and there's still a lot of balls up in the

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Speaker 3: air that they need to navigate through. But I wanted

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Speaker 3: to use a little bit of an analogy. It evan

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Speaker 3: to Alex Marine behind the glass today, not Ace Marine

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Speaker 3: behind the glass. I want to use a little bit

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Speaker 3: of nowogy. You remember in two thousand and one when

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Speaker 3: John Madden famously said I would play for overtime here

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Speaker 3: at Super Bowl thirty six. Right, He's like, they have

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Speaker 3: no timeouts, there's like a minute twenty left. You know,

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Speaker 3: first you're starting quarterback, you know, against the greatest show

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Speaker 3: on Terrif I'd play for overtime. Then Brady like completes

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Speaker 3: a few checkdowns to j R. Redman, gets them sort

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Speaker 3: John Madden goes, I kind of like what they're doing?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: That was sort of how I felt about free agency

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Speaker 3: a downer that Alec Pearce never actually hit free agency

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Speaker 1: A run second two years in a row with the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess this, this one I feel like was

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Speaker 3: goes back to the Colts and the Patriots first signings

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Speaker 1: Non ball noers don't get the full back.

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Speaker 3: probably my favorite signing that they've made so far. All

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Speaker 2: Is this isn't last year.

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Speaker 3: This isn't splash Milton Williams splash, Carlton Davis splash, Morgan Moses,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we knew they weren't going to have another

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Speaker 2: And just the season they're coming off of, they had less.

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Speaker 2: Didn't need to do that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you look at the teams that spent

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Speaker 2: The end even more than even they planned on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's all these teams that were bad last

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Speaker 3: of being bad. The two signings that I think all

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Speaker 3: A little bit happened in the last couple of days

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Speaker 3: to what's left and what needs to be done here

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Speaker 3: moving forward. But let's just start with the two big

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Speaker 2: It's open.

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Speaker 1: What do you want to start with the one they

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Speaker 3: We're gonna start with with Romeo Dobs, who hand up,

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Speaker 3: I'll admit. Paul Perrillo was telling me on Patriots Unfiltered

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Speaker 2: He didn't know anything.

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Speaker 3: He just kind of likes the player, right, and he

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Speaker 2: Like I'm just not like really crazy about it. But

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Speaker 2: So when you start to look at all the things

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Speaker 3: I think he's gonna play the Diggs role. Yeah, for

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Speaker 2: Apples to apples here at a higher volume.

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Speaker 3: Digs had fifty one first down catches, which led the

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Speaker 2: All these different things.

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Speaker 2: I can see this player working.

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Speaker 2: That's not saying that I think that he is the guy.

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Speaker 3: I think they still need more, especially, you know, someone

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Speaker 2: But if this is your typical Josh.

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Speaker 3: Edelman role, that this is a solid player for that role.

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Speaker 2: And I think Romeo Dobbs is maybe a.

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Speaker 3: Tiny little bit underrated because he doesn't have the name

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Speaker 3: brand recognition of a four time pro bowler like Stefan Diggs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean you covered a lot of good stuff there,

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Speaker 1: but I think, just to pick up where you ended that,

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Speaker 1: we talked about this for Alec Pierson, I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's the same level as Alec Pearce, but the same

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Speaker 1: idea applies, you're paying for upside, you're paying for potentially

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Speaker 1: not paying for production. At a career high seven hundred

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Speaker 1: fifty to sixty mark most of his career, you know,

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Speaker 1: looking at twenty twenty six, him and Diggs, you know,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five Digs versus him in twenty twenty six Dobbs, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But I mean, we were talking about last year four

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Speaker 2: And things like that. At the combine, his movement skills

440
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Speaker 2: and is a bit to.

441
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Speaker 3: Pass protect one on one are very good, like high

442
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,040
Speaker 3: level good. You know, he was featured a lot and

443
00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,840
Speaker 3: with the jetson zone blocking schemes. I'm not gonna look

444
00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,120
Speaker 3: too much into that and say because they signed Vera Tucker,

445
00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,840
Speaker 3: now they're gonna be all outside zone like, I'm not

446
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,919
Speaker 3: saying that necessarily, but you look at his ability to

447
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,680
Speaker 3: get out of his stance. You look at his lateral

448
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,320
Speaker 3: moment mobility to you know, move and reach blocks across

449
00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,560
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage, his ability to combo block, you know,

450
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,399
Speaker 3: kind of chip and then go up to the second

451
00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,880
Speaker 3: level and connect with moving targets on the second level.

452
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,920
Speaker 3: Very balanced player, squares up blocks. You don't really see

453
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Speaker 3: him like out of control or over his skis too

454
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Speaker 3: often when you watch him now, granted I had to

455
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,120
Speaker 3: go back to twenty twenty four like to watch him,

456
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:46,040
Speaker 3: but you don't see him too often falling off blocks,

457
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:50,640
Speaker 3: over his skis, out of control. He's very methodical, he's

458
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 3: very athletic. He's very just physically gifted, to be honest,

459
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,400
Speaker 3: for an offensive lineman and a guy that size. Now,

460
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 3: he played a little bit of everywhere with the Jets.

461
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,120
Speaker 3: He played a little bit of everywhere with the Trojans.

462
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Speaker 2: At USC.

463
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Speaker 3: He can in a pinch play tackle And I bring

464
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,359
Speaker 3: that up only because we know that.

465
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Speaker 2: Not last year.

466
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Speaker 3: But Morgan Moses is the type of guy that might

467
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,640
Speaker 3: miss a game or two yea at his age. If

468
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Speaker 3: you told me that for one or two games as

469
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 3: a spot starter they were going to move Veritucker out

470
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,680
Speaker 3: to right tackle and put Ben Brown in at left

471
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Speaker 3: guard to whether a you know, dinged up Morgan Moses,

472
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Speaker 3: I would say, doable, Like not the.

473
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Speaker 2: Worst thing in the world.

474
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Speaker 3: He's certainly more acquitted, you know, measurables wise and all that,

475
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 3: to play guard like he should play guard. He did

476
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 3: play guard right guard his last year with the Jets,

477
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Speaker 3: but he played left guard as a rookie. He played

478
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Speaker 3: the left side at USC. I don't think that that's

479
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,360
Speaker 3: going to be too big of a deal. But it's

480
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Speaker 3: kind of like how we've talked a little bit about

481
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Speaker 3: on WHENU. In the past, they've moved him all around

482
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 3: with the Jets, and I don't think that that's really

483
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:06,880
Speaker 3: been helpful for him.

484
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Speaker 1: No, you gotta let these guys sit in a position.

485
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to point fingers, but.

486
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 3: When you move guys around like that and then all

487
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 3: of a sudden they start popping up with a bunch

488
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 3: of different injuries, it does bring up the fact that

489
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,400
Speaker 3: you're messing with everything right like you are. Now his

490
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,160
Speaker 3: plant leg is different than his you know, his off

491
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 3: hands different from his main. It's like, we're messing it

492
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Speaker 3: all up. So when I hear that a guy that

493
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Speaker 3: keeps moving around the line as it gets a torn

494
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 3: achilles injury, I'm like, well, did you switch sides? And

495
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 3: then now you're pushing off the different foot, and so

496
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 3: you pushed off that foot and then all of a sudden,

497
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,120
Speaker 3: that foot's not used to being the foot that you're

498
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Speaker 3: pushing off of, and then boom, there goes the achilles.

499
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Speaker 3: Right Like, those things happen a lot. It happened with

500
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 3: Isaiah Winn here. Remember he played right tackle in the

501
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 3: preseason and blew out his achilles switching side. So I

502
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 3: think if you can get him into a spot where

503
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 3: you're in the Patriots strength and conditioning program, and they

504
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 3: do an excellent job down there, you know, Frank Pirno,

505
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 3: Doc Whalen, they're some of the best in the business

506
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 3: at it, whether it's managing injuries, sports science, all that

507
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. And you say to him tomorrow when

508
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 3: he comes in to sign the contract, you're playing left guard.

509
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 2: Get ready to play left guard. And that's where we're

510
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 2: putting you. And that's it.

511
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 3: That's where I stick right then, I think that that

512
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,120
Speaker 3: can go a long way as well, because he's tried

513
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 3: to just put out fires with the Jets.

514
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 2: They've moved him all around.

515
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Speaker 1: No, there is there is the you know, if you

516
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: want the optimistic side of the injury thing. They have

517
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: a good history of this of their medical staff figuring

518
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: things out. Remember when they signed Hunter Henry. Yeah, and

519
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: he's kind of the you know, poster for this. He

520
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: had a lot of injury troubles with the Chargers. Now,

521
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: the Chargers medical staff has its history, yep. And he

522
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 1: came here and when he played that first full season.

523
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Speaker 1: I remember the press conference he did where he was

524
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 1: just like effusively praising the medical staff, the training staff,

525
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 1: the strength and conditioning staff for changing the way he

526
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: you know, kind of operated. I remember he talked about

527
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: his workout plain he might have mentioned his diet, like

528
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff just kind of changed the way

529
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 1: he went about building up his body and maintaining his

530
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 1: body that he felt like allowed him to kind of

531
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: dodge some of those injuries. Now, let's not to say

532
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 1: they can do that for everybody. That's not to guarantee

533
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 1: that that Vera Tucker is gonna come here and play

534
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: seventeen games. But they have proven to do this. And

535
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: you look at the job they did last year and

536
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: how little the Patriots deal with injuries last year, Like, you.

537
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 2: Know, they've they've earned, they've earned, uh.

538
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 1: They've earned us basically saying like maybe maybe they can

539
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 1: figure it out and fix it. There's always some luck

540
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: that comes with injuries. It's just football, it's just sports.

541
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: But they've done a good job of managing these things

542
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: the last few years.

543
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 3: Okay, up next, Regie Gilliam, who you mentioned just now.

544
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 3: I love This is probably my favorite signing. And I

545
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 3: know that sounds crazy when they signed a starting guard

546
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 3: and a starting wide receiver and I'm telling you, the

547
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 3: full back is my favorite signing.

548
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 6: Up.

549
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Speaker 3: What are we doing this? This is a full back show.

550
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 3: This is a pro full back show. And I think

551
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 3: the whole thing about the full back to me. And

552
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,239
Speaker 3: he's a really good one too, so that helps you know.

553
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 3: Like he's he's a you know, a high level full back,

554
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 3: maybe a little bit different than James Devlin. Not quite

555
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 3: like the sledgehammer that James Devlon is, but much more

556
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 3: athletic and has like a lot of more ability to

557
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 3: get out in space and.

558
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 2: Run and he's that kind of stuff.

559
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: The big difference to me watching him, Like, so James

560
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: eviln was what six three right, yeah, So Reggie gill

561
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: Gilliam's six foot two forty Yeah, Like he's a low

562
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: center of gravity, low.

563
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 3: Center of gravity, and he's very he he's so He's

564
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 3: quick and he's explosive for a fullback, so when he

565
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 3: gets moving, he can generate a lot of momentum and

566
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 3: power simply, you know, by just converting the speed to power,

567
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 3: you know, like we talk a lot about with like

568
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 3: pass rushers and stuff like that, almost where he can

569
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 3: just create a car crash. The Bills used him in

570
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 3: all sorts of different ways in their zone, you know,

571
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 3: base run scheme, where either they're leading on outside zone

572
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 3: or they'd like wrap him up to the second level

573
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 3: on some of their wind back plays and things like that.

574
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 3: But the biggest thing I would say with the full

575
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 3: back to me is actually more about like the concept

576
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 3: of a full back than it is the full back itself,

577
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 3: and you just sort of have to have a fullback

578
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 3: that's good that allows you to get the defense kind

579
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 3: of react to the fact that you're in a full

580
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 3: back formation. So the big stat that stands out to

581
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 3: me with Regie gilliam is not actually the success that

582
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 3: the Bills had with him rushing. They did lead the

583
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 3: league in rushing and James Cook was the rushing king

584
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 3: last year with him playing like twenty one percent of

585
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 3: the snaps. But the bigger thing to me was Regie Gilliam.

586
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 3: They averaged almost nine yards per passe attempt when he

587
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 3: was on the field because the Bills would put Josh

588
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 3: Allen under center. They put Gilliam in the eye with

589
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 3: James Cook behind him, and they would run play action

590
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 3: and you're showing the defense run formation. You're showing them

591
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 3: run action where Gilliam's leading and James Cook's following, and

592
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 3: then now's carrying out the fake and it all looks

593
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 3: exactly the same as the run play that you just defended,

594
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 3: you know, two plays ago, and now all of a sudden,

595
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 3: it's the run play, it's a play action pass. So

596
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 3: the full back's ability to kind of sell the run

597
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 3: and what that formation gives to you, especially when you

598
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: have a good full back and a better running game,

599
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 3: I think that all of that stuff marries together very nicely.

600
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 3: And this is no disrespect to Jack Westover, but teams

601
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 3: just did not fear Jack Westover in that kind of way. Yeah,

602
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 3: So with the Bills, you know, you see a lot

603
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 3: of things with Buffalo last year where they would load

604
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 3: up on heavy people. They'd be in like twenty two personnel,

605
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 3: two tight ends, two backs, and really get heavy and

606
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 3: then they would run play action off of it, they'd

607
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 3: run spread formations off of it, where Gilliam would be

608
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 3: flexed out wide, and then you're creating matchups inside the

609
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 3: formation for guys like Shakir and the tight ends. Like,

610
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 3: there's just a lot of different formation things, a lot

611
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 3: of different you know, run game, pass game, you know,

612
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 3: play action sequencing that you can do when you have

613
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 3: a really good full back. There's blocking advantages to having

614
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 3: a really good full back because unlike an on the

615
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 3: line player, like a tight end, a full back being

616
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 3: in the backfield, he has he can go both ways.

617
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can.

618
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 3: Kind of build services to the left or to the

619
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 3: right with the fullback. So it allows you to have

620
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 3: that kind of flexibility that that's all a long way

621
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,719
Speaker 3: of saying, there's a lot of really good offense that

622
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 3: comes from just the concept of the fullback along with

623
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 3: having you know, what he can actually do as a blocker.

624
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 3: So when you have a fullback that's an impact blocker

625
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 3: like Reggie Gilliam, it just allows you to do a

626
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 3: lot of different things.

627
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,239
Speaker 2: You know, we can get into sort of the Patriots.

628
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 3: Full back usage last year, how it wasn't so hot

629
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 3: plus it was a little bit less than what Josh

630
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 3: McDaniels has done in his history typically. I think we're

631
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 3: going to see that go right back up to almost

632
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 3: thirty percent near the top of the league now that

633
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 3: they have Gilliam. But this is an exciting signing and

634
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 3: I have there's special teams angles to it as well.

635
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean plays on the special teams too, so

636
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: he'll help there. Now you covered a lot of it,

637
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: just again having a guy that can do it, and

638
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: teams have to respect. I just Jack Westover never really proved,

639
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: you know, he could be consistent in that role. Now

640
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: you have a guy that's done it for what five

641
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: years right in the NFL YEP. And it's it's an

642
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: investment to everybody yelled about it, you know, the team

643
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: ignoring Drake May. Is it the investment that a number

644
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: one wide receiver would be. No, But it's an investment,

645
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: or reminder Stevenson, it's an investment, Trevan Henderson. They're going

646
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: to have more of an ability to run the ball

647
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: between the tackles especially, They're gonna be able to develop

648
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: play action off of that. They're not gonna have to

649
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: be as predictable or as you know, one dimensional, I

650
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: should say, is a better term against some of these

651
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: better fronts that they're going to face.

652
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 2: It's going to open things up in the pass game.

653
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: So and that doesn't mean he's going to do that personally,

654
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: but it's just they They didn't have this dynamic last

655
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: year and for Josh McDaniels to really do what he

656
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: wants to do offensively the whole picture. You mentioned the

657
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: rate being lower. Yes, I don't think that was McDaniels

658
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: wanting to use the fullback less. I think it's you know,

659
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: you're not going to run something as much if you

660
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: don't feel like you can execute it.

661
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think they're going to go back to that.

662
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: It's going to allow them to be more multiple offensively,

663
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: which is something we talked about last year that they

664
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: needed to do. It's good signing.

665
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand that people roll their eyes about in

666
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 3: the waxing poetic about full back.

667
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: I'll admit it's sort of just my thing.

668
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 3: I would also say, just looking across the league and

669
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 3: not to do open this whole can of worms with you,

670
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 3: but my guys, my my tight pantskys all use fullbacks.

671
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan uses a full back.

672
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,239
Speaker 3: Mike McDaniel took alec Ingold with him from Miami to

673
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: the Chargers and told John Harbaugh or Jim with Jim Harbaugh, sorry,

674
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 3: I forget the Harbor gets get them confused. I told

675
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 3: Jim Harribor, Hey, I need my full back like I

676
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 3: need gold, Like we gotta go get this guy, you know.

677
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 3: Like they they really are very creative with how they

678
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 3: use these guys these days. This is not three yards

679
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 3: in a cloud of dust we have a full back anymore.

680
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 3: Like this is a much more creative gene that they

681
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 3: can kind of use, or schematic thing that they can

682
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 3: kind of use to their advantage.

683
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: Just quick on the percentages.

684
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 3: Josh McDaniel's last year with the Patriots was about a

685
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 3: twenty two percent full back usage rate in terms of

686
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 3: just two back formation in Vegas in twenty one and

687
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 3: or twenty two and the Patriots in twenty one his

688
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 3: last his other two last full seasons as a play

689
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 3: caller there he was up over twenty eight percent. So

690
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 3: there's a six percent decrease and how much they used

691
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 3: the full back. My guess is that we're going to

692
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 3: see that go right back up. A big reason why

693
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 3: they were so unproductive. You know, out of those full

694
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 3: back they weren't unproductive. They passed the ball, okay, but

695
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 3: they broke even with the full back on the field.

696
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 3: They were literally zero point zero zero EPA per play

697
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 3: right right, even like no no advantage, no disadvantage.

698
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: It was just in the middle.

699
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:36,959
Speaker 4: Uh.

700
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: And that's a package.

701
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: If you're going to use it, you expect it to

702
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: be an advantage.

703
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

704
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 3: The big reason why you know they were there is

705
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 3: because they couldn't run the ball out of it. And

706
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 3: I hear a lot about how the Patriots run game

707
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 3: struggled at times.

708
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: Last year.

709
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 3: They were twenty five fifth in the league in rush EPA.

710
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 3: Last year they were not a physical enough offense. Mike

711
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 3: Rabels talked about being more physical on offense. He talked

712
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: to us about it at the combine and said, they

713
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 3: we need to be more physical.

714
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: We need to get stronger, we need to lift, we need.

715
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 3: To uh be able to you know, control the line

716
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 3: of scrimmage better and run the football. Uh that we

717
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 3: can say all those things and act at the part.

718
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 3: And then they go and they sign a full back

719
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 3: and everybody was like, why are we wasting so much

720
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 3: time on a full back, right, It's like, well, you

721
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 3: if you want to get more physical and run the

722
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 3: ball better, then you need to get people that are

723
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: more physical and can help you run the ball better.

724
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 2: And that's what these guys can do. You know.

725
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 3: I'd say both of them, Barah Tucker and Reggie Gilliam

726
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: I think both check boxes in that regard. So hopefully

727
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 3: that does improve their rush offense. Hopefully they become a

728
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 3: more physical rush offense hopefully and improves their play action

729
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 3: passing game, you know, as well as a as a

730
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 3: counter to that, and that's where you can generate a

731
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 3: lot of those explosive plays.

732
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: All right, I've done enough. I've done enough.

733
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 3: I'm my soapbox about that one. H Draymond Jones, Yep,

734
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 3: my feeling on Draymont Jones. And I think what's interesting

735
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 3: about Draymon Jones is that I was looking up all

736
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 3: the metrics, right, pass rush, win rate, you know, PFF stuff,

737
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 3: you know all that, all the good you know, nerd

738
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 3: stuff that that we look at. It's all like very

739
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 3: very comparable to kylevon Chase on like it's you know, both.

740
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 3: I think Chason had seven and a half sacks. Draymont

741
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 3: Jones had seven in the regular season. Just to compare

742
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 3: apples to apples, Uh, Draymont Jones had fifty one quarterback

743
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 3: pressures Kaylevon Chase On was right around the same number

744
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 3: pass fresh win rate. It was like, Uh, Raymont Jones

745
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 3: is like forty sixth in the league out of eighty

746
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 3: qualified edge rushers. Calevon chase On was like forty fifth.

747
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 3: Their names were right next to each other, so in

748
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 3: a lot of ways. And I know Chase On just

749
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 3: signed with the Commanders, you know, I see this as

750
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 3: a kind of one for one replacement, sort of like

751
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 3: what they did with Romeo Dobbs and Stefan Diggs. You know,

752
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 3: we can talk a little bit more about, you know,

753
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 3: how Draymon Joe wins and all that good stuff, But

754
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 3: just from a roster building standpoint, did you see it

755
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 3: the same way and just how they're they're kind of

756
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 3: just filling you know, shoes here right like one in

757
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 3: one out with Draymont Jones and Chase On.

758
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: In my opinion, yeah, I mean they win differently, Like

759
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: you said, Draymont Jones a little bigger.

760
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 2: He's listed to eighty.

761
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: I know that there's some speculations not too eighty anymore.

762
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: But he's bigger definitely than Chase On.

763
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 7: More.

764
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going with two sixty five. I feel like

765
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 3: that is.

766
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: Going to hold up a little better, I think against

767
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: the run than Chase On. To me, Chase On was

768
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: like a boomer bus player. He's a flash flash player. Yeah,

769
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: Draymont Jones is less flash, but he's not gonna get

770
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: beat as much as Chase On either. She's more steady,

771
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: so you know, it goes against my thing about adding

772
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: the playmakers on defense, but again I think just gives

773
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: you more even keel on the edge there.

774
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, speed to power guy certainly that I would say

775
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 3: his his base, you know of his rush, but because

776
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 3: he's got decent speed to power, like a decent bull rush,

777
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 3: he can you know, dip and use the ghost move

778
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 3: and things like that to turn the corner and win.

779
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 2: With peer speed coming off the edge.

780
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 3: When I watched him, I didn't think of him as

781
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 3: like a big first step explosiveness guy.

782
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 2: The metrics say that it's a he's about on par

783
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 2: not quite.

784
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: As good as Landry in that regard, but Landry that's

785
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: kind of his thing, but basically on par with Chase

786
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 3: On in terms of like get off and all that

787
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. But eye test wise, I I don't

788
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 3: see him as fluid as as those guys. I think

789
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 3: he's more of a rigid player. That probably goes back

790
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 3: to what you were saying about his size. You know,

791
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 3: he's just bigger than those guys in terms of weight,

792
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 3: but a more powerful guy. I don't think he's necessarily

793
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 3: better against the run to be frank as Chase On like,

794
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 3: I think they're both kind of.

795
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 2: Does means like a plus run? Yeah. Yeah.

796
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 3: The one thing too that I wanted to talk to

797
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 3: you about about Jones is that he's really really good

798
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 3: at rushing.

799
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: At the three technique over the guard.

800
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,919
Speaker 3: His pass rush win rate, his pressure rate actually skyrockets

801
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 3: when you move him inside a little bit. Especially, you know,

802
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 3: he did a lot in Baltimore and their third down

803
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 3: fronts and things like that. We saw the Patriots try

804
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 3: to find ways for Keon White to play a similar

805
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 3: role where he had some inside outside versatility. They kind

806
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,919
Speaker 3: of settled on while we have Christian Barmore and Milon

807
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 3: Williams and these are game wreckers, like why would we

808
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 3: clog the middle, you know for these guys with a

809
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: third guy. I don't know if you're getting the best

810
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 3: out of Draymond Jones unless you find him some opportunities

811
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 3: to rush over the guard. Can you know, are they

812
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 3: going to be able to figure that out this time around?

813
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 3: Like if he's purely an edge player, you know, Chase

814
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 3: On was nine technique like outside the tackle, way outside

815
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 3: the tackle, like eighty five percent of the time last year. Yeah,

816
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 3: like that that's the way he was playing, was outside

817
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 3: the tackle. I think this is a guy because of

818
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 3: his you know, his size and his history as a

819
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 3: three technique at Ohio State that has a little bit

820
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 3: more inside outside versatility that's just not necessarily something that

821
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 3: they've done a ton with their edgress.

822
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 2: Should we be looking.

823
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: At him partially as a U Kiris Tonga replacement? Then

824
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: in addition to Chase On, I.

825
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 3: Guess maybe on third down, I mean obviously, yeah, maybe

826
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 3: on third down or you know, like a Corey Durden,

827
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 3: you know, maybe a little bit more explosive, a little

828
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 3: bit more dynamic.

829
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: Dirden to me is the guy that's replacing Tonga, right.

830
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: So maybe Turdin goes to more and then so he

831
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 2: goes into the dur role.

832
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe uh I just bring it up because I

833
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 3: do think that they had a Tweener type and Draymond

834
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 3: Jones I wouldn't call up here tweener. I think that

835
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 3: he can play well enough to be outside on the

836
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 3: edge consistently and play starter snaps out there. But we

837
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 3: did the Tweeter thing with Keon White and it did

838
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 3: not work. They just could not find a fit for

839
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 3: him in this system. Now, Keon White was a legit

840
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 3: to eighty like that that that's a different kind of uh,

841
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 3: you know, athlete than Draymond Jones, but just a you know,

842
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 3: I thought that I had in terms of ideally, I'd

843
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 3: like to see dre Amon Jones four or five times

844
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 3: a game, you know, rushing over the outside of the guard,

845
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 3: And I don't know if they have four or five

846
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 3: rush opportunities to give to him unless you know, they

847
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 3: get really creative with their alignment on the defense.

848
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: So it'd be interesting to see how they go about

849
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 2: fixing that. You know.

850
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 3: There's some things that I like about his game too,

851
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 3: in terms of how he works, like on games and

852
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 3: stunts and things like that. Up front, he's a really

853
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 3: physical player, really good at setting picks and you know,

854
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 3: bumping guys off of one another and things like that.

855
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 2: So I think that he can be disruptive.

856
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 3: And the Patriots were top five in the league last

857
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 3: year and how often they stunted their defensive line, They

858
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 3: did it a ton, So I think he's a productive

859
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 3: player in that way too.

860
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 2: So interesting signings.

861
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 3: You know, a couple of things that I wanted to mention,

862
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 3: you know that we have left over. I think you

863
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 3: know some of the other signings, what they signed kJ

864
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 3: Britt that just got reported on a couple of minutes ago.

865
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 2: We can hit on that.

866
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 3: You know, Jesse Luketta obviously was a pre pre agent signing,

867
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 3: pre free agent signing. But the one thing I wanted

868
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 3: to kind of set the table on and then we'll

869
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 3: open it up to the calls and emails, is just,

870
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 3: you know, where do they go from here? And I

871
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 3: think the two big spots that we're all looking at.

872
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 3: I agree wholeheartedly that, you know, depth on the offensive line.

873
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 3: You know, they obviously got to hit offensive tackle at

874
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 3: least once more probably in the draft, but they got

875
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 3: to start planning ahead and all that kind of stuff

876
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 3: on the offensive line. Yeah, but we're all we're all

877
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 3: zeroed in. I feel like on EDG drusher and wide receiver.

878
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 1: Right, let me ask you this talking about going ahead,

879
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: because I've used this kind of as the barometer for

880
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: did they do what I wanted them to do coming

881
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: out of free agency? And look, there's still we gotta

882
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: see what happens with Jayalen Hawkins. I'll throw that adendum

883
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: on it. But I don't know. This is just me

884
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: thinking out loud. You tell me, I feel like the

885
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: longer it goes, the better chance he's back. I don't

886
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: think there's much of a market for safety is given

887
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: what's in the draft. My kind of like, I don't

888
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: think it's where they had to get. But you know

889
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: what I would consider a good free agency period, Right,

890
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: Are they in a place where they can draft Blake

891
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: Miller thirty first overall? Yeah, and like get by with that,

892
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean that they have to fill every

893
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: need between now and then. There are other needs that

894
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: they can fill in the draft, but are like realistic

895
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: draft feels like take tight end, right, you don't need

896
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: to take that guy at thirty one. You probably shouldn't

897
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: be taking that guy at thirty one. Sadiq's not gonna fall.

898
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 2: I don't think there's anybody else on the.

899
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: Board as worth taking that high. But like you know,

900
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: when they cut digs, it's like, okay, so they they're

901
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: gonna need a receiver. They will need a receiver. You know,

902
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: they had jobs. They still could use more, but you

903
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: can get by if thirty one is not a receiver.

904
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: You know, guard was another one they could They're obviously

905
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: good at that position now, so Blake Miller would be

906
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: when's the last time we could talk about the making

907
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: a luxury pick with their first round pick.

908
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 3: I don't need a minute. It's been a minute, but

909
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 3: we're not in luxury pick territory.

910
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: Well I think Blake Miller would be a luxury pick. Yeah,

911
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: and I don't think we're in there, So you don't

912
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: think they're there, okay now, because they might be.

913
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: I think they're close.

914
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 3: I think that the two positions that we're looking at

915
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 3: right now. Yeah, there was news this morning that it

916
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 3: sounds like they're going to release Anthony Jennings as well.

917
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 3: So right now their edge rusher depth chart is Jones,

918
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 3: who's gonna play like Draymond Jones signed a good contract

919
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 3: and is going to be a starter for this team.

920
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 3: Harold Landry if he can get his knee right and

921
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 3: get himself healthy. Elijah Ponder, who I think that they

922
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 3: like and are clearly high on. But I think Elijah Ponder,

923
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 3: you're hoping as an undrafted rookie, is a rotational player

924
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 3: and a rotational pass pressure at that Braden Swinston, who

925
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 3: we just didn't see a ton of last year, was

926
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: up and down the roster pretty much, whether it was

927
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 3: you know, practice squad to start and then fifty three

928
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 3: towards the end of the season. And Luketta, who I

929
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 3: think is you know, again a low level signing, right

930
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 3: that a low level depth signing. So if we're just

931
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 3: assuming that they're one for one with Calebon, Chase on

932
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 3: and and Draymond Jones, they really haven't made any progress

933
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 3: at edge and it's a great edge class, so I mean,

934
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 3: they have that in their back pocket. I don't think

935
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 3: they're going back to Max Crosby, Like, I don't think

936
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 3: that thing is happening. So they we had the conversations

937
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 3: a start free agency that they kind of need a

938
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 3: dude in the pass rush off the edge. They still

939
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 3: kind of need that dude, like they don't have that yet,

940
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 3: And I think we can make the same argument about

941
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 3: receiver like they and I'll lump tight end in there.

942
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 3: I'm just more reluctant about tight end in the draft

943
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 3: being a day one impact type of player because that

944
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 3: doesn't happen very often, especially when you're not drafting him high.

945
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: And just this board doesn't like that guy doesn't exist

946
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: in this.

947
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 3: Draft, right, Like you know you're not drafting Tyler Warren

948
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 3: or Colston Lovelin that's going to come in and have

949
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 3: a year one impact. I guess Sam Laporta had a

950
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 3: year one impact as a as an a second round pick,

951
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 3: but those are rare.

952
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 2: But that position what I'm.

953
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: Saying about, like the Blake Miller thing, like they do

954
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: need another tight end. I'm comfortable with them getting that

955
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: guy on day two. We could debate edge, like if

956
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 1: you want them to go higher end than yeah, they can't.

957
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: If you like the depth of this class and you

958
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: think they can get a real guy on day two,

959
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: like there's you can make the case for it, is

960
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: my point. It doesn't mean they should go ahead and

961
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: do it, but like, are they at a point where

962
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: you can make the case for Blake Miller but you

963
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: still sound out on that? You sound like you want

964
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: the first because I don't.

965
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 3: I don't see how else you get impact players at

966
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 3: those times that even well what I mean, even if

967
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 3: it's trading.

968
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: The edge player will okay, So that's fair, you know,

969
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: like either way.

970
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 3: It just like using the thirty first overall pick as

971
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 3: an asset. I think you need to move the needle

972
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 3: with that pick like that, And I know that's maybe

973
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 3: easier said than done when you're picking at the end

974
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 3: of the first round, But when you go into some

975
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 3: of the strengths of the draft in terms of like

976
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 3: where the depth is, you know, I think that is

977
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 3: doable at edge rusher that you could get, you know,

978
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 3: a Mesador, a cash As Howell, a player that's going

979
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 3: to come in right away and make an impact later

980
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 3: on in the first round.

981
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 2: Does that receiver exist, I don't know.

982
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 3: Because they took you know, they take Romeo Dobs off

983
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 3: the board in free agency. I think that that makes

984
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 3: Omar Cooper junior case he can set if they were

985
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 3: there at thirty one, a little bit redundant. I would

986
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 3: say to a guy like Romeo Dobs, like you're really

987
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 3: looking for the Chris Brassel of the world, right, Like

988
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 3: the big outside guy that can stretch the field. It's

989
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 3: a little rich to take him at thirty one, but

990
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 3: can you manipulate the board and figure that out?

991
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 2: Maybe? I guess this is all me just saying.

992
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 3: I still think at thirty one you need a year

993
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 3: one impact kind of sign, you know, transaction, whether that's

994
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 3: trading the pick for aj Brown, drafting an edge rusher there, uh,

995
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 3: finding a way to make it make sense at wide

996
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 3: receiver there, you know, all those different things. I don't

997
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 3: think they're in a position where they're red shirting first.

998
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: Round pick fair enough.

999
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 3: So those two spots are definitely the big one. I

1000
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 3: think tight end is like a third, sneaky one. Yeah,

1001
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 3: that's you know, right there with it, especially after you

1002
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: know Austin Hooper going back to Atlanta. They really have

1003
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 3: no depth at that position behind Hunter Henry right now,

1004
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 3: no at least NFL caliber depth. So whether it's going

1005
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 3: out there and signing, you know, there's not a lot

1006
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 3: left in free agency. But you know, I'm not a

1007
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 3: big chickaqo quo guy. But we're three days into free agency,

1008
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 3: so you can't.

1009
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd still take unless he I tried to

1010
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: catch up when I was driving down here David Joke,

1011
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 1: who still don't signed.

1012
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, so that's the one that I think makes

1013
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 3: a lot of sense just from the connection with Rabel

1014
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 3: and Ashton Grant and the Cleveland people and that are

1015
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 3: in this organization.

1016
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 2: I'm still here even than Joke was older, so was

1017
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 2: Elliott Wolf Like's twenty nine. Maybe.

1018
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's where I'm at at tight end. I'm honestly

1019
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: okay at this point if they just do tight end

1020
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: in the draft, I don't know that that needs Like,

1021
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: I don't I'm wrong if they signed David Joku, solid signing,

1022
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: but yeah, the whole point they're supposed to be getting younger,

1023
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: getting the next guy in for Hunter Henry and David

1024
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: Joke who's entering his age thirty season, so he's not

1025
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: older than Hunter Henry, but he's not young either. Like,

1026
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: you're not talking about a guy who's gonna play for

1027
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: five or six years. So if you're gonna sign him

1028
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: or Chicka konk Wo, you still need to get the

1029
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: younger guy, which I'd like to see them take relatively

1030
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: high top one fifty, but now that guy's buried, I

1031
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: don't know. Am I nuts for thinking? Like if CJ.

1032
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: Dupreze the third tight end. I'm fine with that.

1033
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm saying no, if you and they use.

1034
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: A top one hundred pick on Sam Rousch or Oscar

1035
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: Delp in your room next year, is Hunter Henry that

1036
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: rookie and then maybe you draft a guy later, or

1037
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: you bring in a lower level free agent to complete

1038
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: with to compete with dupre for the third spot, for

1039
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: all the other things they have to do. I think

1040
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: that's a fine room. I think that's that would be

1041
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: enough for me.

1042
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 3: So I think the concern is and again I I'll

1043
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 3: concede that this is the recent history is a little

1044
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 3: bit better, yeah, than the long term history. But historically speaking,

1045
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 3: because of all the run and pass game responsibilities on

1046
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 3: a tight end shoulders, it is a slow developing position.

1047
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 3: So if you're drafting a rookie, and you're especially if

1048
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 3: you're drafting a rookie, uh you know at sixty three

1049
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 3: or ninety five or something like that, that's you know,

1050
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 3: further down the draft the expectation of him really being

1051
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 3: a contributor as a rookie is not very high.

1052
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: But again, this is somebody They're not gonna be the

1053
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: top tight end. It's still gonna be Hunter Henry. Yeah,

1054
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: and yeah, so you want to get that guy in

1055
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: so that you know Hunter Henry's kind of year to

1056
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: year at this point. I would think, right, he's in

1057
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: a contract year.

1058
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it depends on who it is. Like

1059
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 2: if it's somebody that I've.

1060
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: See talking about drafting, like a legit tight end has

1061
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: some real upside, then sure. So again, the two names

1062
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: I gave you, Delp and assuming his foot sealed and

1063
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: he's healthy, Delp and Roush would be the two that

1064
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: I would consider for that spot. Sure, or if they

1065
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: want to go really nuts Max Claire.

1066
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 7: Sure.

1067
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're gonna take guy that high,

1068
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: but he would fit that. I think about taking somebody

1069
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: in the sixth round.

1070
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 2: Right now, I know I would. I think I would

1071
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 2: feel better.

1072
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 3: Uh. You know, I'm glad you brought up in Joku

1073
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 3: with like an Njoku signing plus drafting one of those.

1074
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: But I don't know because but if they sign in joke,

1075
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: I don't want them to draft the tight end in

1076
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: the top one hundred.

1077
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: Why because that guy's not gonna play.

1078
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 3: No, I mean I why not, Like if you just

1079
00:47:58,280 --> 00:47:59,959
Speaker 3: is better than inn Djoku then why not.

1080
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: He's gonna be I don't think he's gonna better than

1081
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: a joking for you probably paying Joku like that would

1082
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: be a beat. Then then then why are you signing

1083
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: a Joku.

1084
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 3: Because you're gonna sign in Joku to like a one

1085
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 3: year contract as like somebody that is a backstop if.

1086
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: That's what you think he's getting.

1087
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Speaker 1: By all means, I mean, I feel like his market

1088
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: should be bigger than that.

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00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 3: It's Wednesday of free agency. What kind of market do

1090
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 3: you think he's gonna have. If he was gonna have

1091
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 3: this like huge market, then he would have already if.

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00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: It's a one year deal and it's two A to

1093
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: B with him as a rookie. By that's kind of

1094
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: what I said, you get all right, if it's not c. J. Dupree,

1095
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 1: you signed somebody compete with him. I was thinking more

1096
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: like a you know who's still available, like Tyler Higbee

1097
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: kind of guy.

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00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just feel like I just wouldn't necessarily count

1099
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 3: on a rookie tight end.

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00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: Adam Troutman.

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00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 1: You're stilling on Adam Trutn.

1102
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 2: I was in the draft.

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00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: You were a big and remember yeah.

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00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 3: I was a Day two pick at tight end, especially

1105
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 3: where their day two picks are, Like, I just wouldn't

1106
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 3: put all my eggs in the basket of that guy

1107
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 3: is gonna be.

1108
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: You know, now in in the league.

1109
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 3: Now, Like that's that's a big role, the second tight end,

1110
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 3: Like you're you're playing two tight ends in an NFL

1111
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 3: offense these days twenty five thirty percent of the time,

1112
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 3: you know, most likely like that, that's a that's not

1113
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 3: an insignificant role. And I just don't know if I

1114
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 3: would put all that on a rookie.

1115
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 2: And but you're.

1116
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: Saying, sign a guy and then have him be behind

1117
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: the rookie.

1118
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 3: If the rookie's better, then yeah, yeah, but I'm not.

1119
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I's getting a one year deal.

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Speaker 2: Fine, yeah, I.

1121
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 3: Mean it doesn't even necessarily have to be in Joku.

1122
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 3: We don't have to get bogged down by the Djoku.

1123
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Speaker 2: Of it all.

1124
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 3: Like just saying, like a serviceable veteran tight end, even

1125
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 3: if you want to say it's in like the Austin Hooper,

1126
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 3: like I think in djoku's a better player than Austin Hooper. Like,

1127
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 3: but yeah, even if it's in like that Austin Hooper.

1128
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 3: Realm me, you mentioned Tyler Higbee like somebody like that.

1129
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 3: I just need an NFL tight end that's in that

1130
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 3: room that's not you know, somebody like CJ. DePree who

1131
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 3: didn't play as a rookie, as an undrafted guy, and

1132
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 3: a third round pick like that, to me just isn't

1133
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 3: quite enough, especially with Hunter Henry's age, his injury history,

1134
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 3: some of the slumping with his blocking last year.

1135
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I'm maybe I'm giving the rookie class or

1136
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: the team too much credit for developing that guy.

1137
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 2: But it's a quick development at that position.

1138
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I the position. You didn't mention his safety,

1139
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: which I've said that, even if they keep Jalen Hawkins,

1140
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: I still want them to add like a legit third

1141
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 1: safety so they can do more three safety stuff if

1142
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: they lose him. You're not talking about a starter. You're

1143
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: not talking about a guy that's probably gonna.

1144
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 2: Be on the field sixty What how much Hawkins played

1145
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 2: last year? All?

1146
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:32,439
Speaker 1: Seventy eighty percent of the time.

1147
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 2: I want to say, was it more because a lot

1148
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 2: Woodson didn't come off the field? Yeah? Woodson was hawks

1149
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 2: of ninety last year. Wow?

1150
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, yeah, So you're talking about you know

1151
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: that that if they even say.

1152
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 3: If they lose Hawkins, I guess is they'll pivot in

1153
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 3: free agency's signing a NFL caliber player.

1154
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, yeah, that goes to the top of

1155
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: the needs if they lose Hawks.

1156
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 2: I I just bringing you.

1157
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 3: I know there's some chatter on Twitter about like Nick

1158
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 3: Cross or like somebody like that. You know, I'm sure

1159
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 3: if they if they lost Hawkins, I'm sure they would

1160
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 3: pivot to signing a start to.

1161
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: See them add another safety on top of that though.

1162
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 2: Okay, but they can do that in the third or

1163
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 2: fourth round. They don't have to do that using a

1164
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 2: lot of Day two picks.

1165
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 3: Now, what do you mean we're gonna draft an edge rusher,

1166
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,919
Speaker 3: wide receiver with the first pick. Whichever position you don't

1167
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 3: take with the first pick is probably going to be

1168
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 3: your second.

1169
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: We need to take a second round receiver.

1170
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 3: It depends on the skill set. Like if you know,

1171
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know. If you know, we

1172
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 3: can play the game, who's going to be there, who's

1173
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 3: not going to be there?

1174
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 2: You know?

1175
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 3: But if you're talking about a guy that can win

1176
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 3: on the outside and has some field stretching ability, then

1177
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 3: I think you still need to add that, Like, I know,

1178
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 3: we're all hoping that that can be Kyle Williams, and

1179
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 3: Kyle Williams is in a crowded room last year behind

1180
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 3: veteran players, if you want to use that as an excuse.

1181
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 3: But the track record of guys that caught ten catches

1182
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 3: as a rookie then going on to having a great

1183
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 3: NFL career is not very good, you know, like just

1184
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 3: being honest, like it's not you know, there's a reason

1185
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 3: why the five fifty club exists, right, Like that's you know,

1186
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 3: the barometer for rookie receivers being you know, big time

1187
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 3: players in the league. It doesn't happen very often if

1188
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 3: they're not you know, instantly contributing to a team. So

1189
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 3: I don't know, Like I guess you're putting a lot

1190
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 3: of credence in Kyle Williams, Kyshan Boody not having any

1191
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 3: like catch point regression, you know, like he had a

1192
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 3: lot of kind of crazy, you know, uh, contested catches

1193
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 3: last year. Mac Hollins like having the same level of

1194
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 3: juice of doing that you know sort of thing as

1195
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 3: a bigger receiver on the outside. It's just I think

1196
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 3: you need to start you need to keep looking for

1197
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 3: ceiling at that position, and the only way that you're

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1200
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1201
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1202
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Speaker 2: And most of it happens tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: So the Patriots will be introducing some players from their

1267
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Speaker 2: So that would be good.

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Speaker 3: all that good stuff. Get you guys involved. Sean is

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Speaker 3: in Vancouver.

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Speaker 2: What's up? Sean?

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Speaker 4: Hello?

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Speaker 3: How are we doing great?

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Speaker 12: Let's say in free agency they continue bringing in players,

1278
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 12: bring back Hawkins, a safety, get another edge like Arnold Abikiti,

1279
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 12: and then bringing tight end and David joke in the

1280
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 12: draft at thirty one? Would you go with Chris Brazil Junior.

1281
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 2: Who is the second one? Sorry?

1282
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 12: So bringing in na Jokeu for tight end? Yeah, and

1283
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:53,280
Speaker 12: bringing in Abikiti for another edge, and bringing in safety

1284
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,800
Speaker 12: Hawkins like bringing back Hawkins. So those those are the

1285
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 12: free agents were let's say that that happens. We're looking

1286
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 12: at thirty one? Are you thinking, okay, well, we need

1287
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 12: a big speed receivers. That's that's our need. So does

1288
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 12: Chris Basel Junior like match?

1289
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 6: That?

1290
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 13: Is that the guy you would go with if he's there?

1291
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:11,879
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1292
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 3: God, thanks for the call, Sean. Yeah, I think you

1293
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 3: know all those free agents are possible. I wouldn't be

1294
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 3: surprised if they added one more edge guy, you know,

1295
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 3: just to as depth. Uh, you know, we talk about

1296
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 3: this a lot, like you don't want to get to

1297
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 3: the draft and have a glaring need on the roster

1298
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 3: where you're forced to take a certain position. Now, wide

1299
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 3: receiver might be treading in that direction just because of

1300
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 3: supply and demand, Like they just don't be come available

1301
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 3: in free agency. Right if aj Brown and that trade

1302
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 3: has fallen through, and I'm not saying it has, but

1303
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 3: if it has, then you have you're really left with

1304
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 3: no other choice but to try to keep throwing darts

1305
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 3: in the draft, and that that's just the nature of

1306
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 3: that position. Nine times out of ten, those guys get

1307
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 3: traded or they get drafted. They don't hit free agency,

1308
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 3: as we see every single year. So Chris Brasel, you know,

1309
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 3: I'm you know, I'm a big fan of his, you know,

1310
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 3: just base off of where he was before the combine,

1311
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 3: and you don't want to you don't want to count

1312
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 3: the forty twice like you already knew he was fasty,

1313
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 3: so you don't want it now all of a sudden

1314
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 3: and say, oh, well, you know he ran a four

1315
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 3: to three, So now he's a Now he's you know,

1316
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 3: a first round pick when most boards had him what

1317
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 3: like maybe fringe top fifty, you know, going into the combine.

1318
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 3: But if you want him, he's not going to make

1319
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 3: it to your your second round pick. Yeah, So if

1320
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 3: you want him, then yeah, you have to take him

1321
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 3: that higher. I don't that's a tough one for me

1322
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 3: because I like the player, but it does feel a

1323
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 3: little bit rich for you know, the profile, Like I

1324
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 3: think that there are some question marks, especially you know,

1325
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 3: just the history of that Tennessee offense in those ways.

1326
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you move down a little bit. But

1327
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: the thing is, those guys are going to start going fast,

1328
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: right if I think Denzel Boston's going to be off

1329
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: the board when they pick, yeah, But if if Boston

1330
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: and concept you own are gone, and then you're assuming

1331
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: Tate Lemon and Tyson are gone, well, now there's probably

1332
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: gonna be a run early on day two between Omar

1333
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: Cooper Brasel. You know, I don't know how teams WI

1334
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: ultimately feel about Zach Ryan Branch, but like they're gonna

1335
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: start to go.

1336
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're gonna have to.

1337
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: I don't think you're It's not that you're not getting

1338
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: him at sixty two. I don't know that you're realistically

1339
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: moving up from sixty two without giving up the future first.

1340
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: But you don't want to do definite wouldn't give up

1341
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: the future first to move up and get brazzle.

1342
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 3: Let me ask you if throw a few names at

1343
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 3: you and well, let's just let's just brainstorm live on

1344
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 3: the air here.

1345
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:32,919
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Jerry Bernard I like, but he feels more

1346
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 2: of like a Z. Yeah he dobs wrong.

1347
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that he's quite a true X

1348
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 3: or really what we're looking for. Two names that you know,

1349
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 3: kind of stand out to me that I've watched recently.

1350
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 3: I think that we would be talking about Chris Bell from.

1351
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 2: Louis Don't do this to me, don't it is?

1352
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: It would have been so easy for him to be

1353
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: the guy at thirty one. It would have made all

1354
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: or he would have pushed Denzel Boston down. It would

1355
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,959
Speaker 1: have made all the sense in the world. That sucks

1356
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: that he got hurt.

1357
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 3: Okay, so he got hurt. He tours ACL late lately,

1358
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 3: very late December. Yeah, I have it right here. December

1359
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 3: or November twenty second was the date that he tore

1360
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 3: it sure.

1361
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 2: I thought that was in December. November twenty second was

1362
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 2: the day he tore it.

1363
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 3: So he Chris Bell gets hurt at the end of

1364
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 3: the college football season. I think it was the last

1365
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 3: last game that Louisville played in the regular season.

1366
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if they probably went to a bowl, right,

1367
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 2: Louisville's decent. Yeah, I mean he was right. So Chris

1368
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 2: Bell gets hurt. I watched two CHRISP. Bell games.

1369
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 3: I've watched Miami and Clemson, so too are pretty good competition.

1370
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: Well, Clemson sucks this year, where the corners are still good.

1371
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 3: He took two crossing routes, caught him in stride, and

1372
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 3: took them both to the house from like forty plus

1373
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 3: yards out, and you just see like the run after

1374
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 3: catchability and the explosiveness and you're like, whoa. You know,

1375
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 3: this guy's like destroying angles in the open field with

1376
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 3: the ball in his hands. There's big concerns about you know, injury.

1377
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 3: Obviously it happened lately late in the season last year,

1378
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 3: so you don't know if he's gonna contribute in twenty six.

1379
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 3: All those things aside, Uh, you know, we just watched

1380
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 3: Stefon Diggs come back quickly from an ACL and be

1381
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 3: ninety five percent Stefon Diggs.

1382
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, said, but he's also Stefan Diggs. Or he was

1383
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: doing this after years experience in the league. Yeah, been

1384
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: in a similar ruck.

1385
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 2: Okays before all fair?

1386
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 3: My question I feel facilitation here is as a Day

1387
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 3: two pick, as a team that is not looking for

1388
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 3: just another wide receiver. Three to use that praseology, you

1389
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 3: are looking for ceiling ceiling ceiling at that position. You

1390
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 3: need to hit a home run at that position. Is

1391
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 3: it worth the risk to say again on day two

1392
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 3: not at thirty one? On day two, we are just

1393
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 3: gonna this is a first round talent that we're getting

1394
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 3: on day two of the draft. Because he blew out

1395
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 3: his knee late in last year in the college football season.

1396
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 3: We're just gonna We're gonna bank on him being healthy

1397
01:01:58,960 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 3: and being the same guy.

1398
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 2: Not where he's going to go. I think he's still

1399
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 2: might go top fifty. You think he's still gonna I

1400
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 2: still think he might go top I guess it depends

1401
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 2: on Like I.

1402
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: Mean, let's let's say we're essentially talking about another I

1403
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:12,919
Speaker 1: guess it's not as bad because it's not the track record,

1404
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: But we're kind of talking about another Malcolm Mitchell the

1405
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 1: type situation.

1406
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, he doesn't have a debilitating the injury.

1407
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: Well, but you know, like these things can can change, right,

1408
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: It's just to me, it's got me a diet PEPSI.

1409
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 2: You you when we were.

1410
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 1: Talking before about Kyle Williams, and you mentioned like the

1411
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: track record of these guys having success their first year.

1412
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: Even if he does play as a rookie, he's not

1413
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: going to get mini camp, training camp. He's these throwing

1414
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: sessions in with Drake May. You know, he's not going

1415
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: to get as immersed in the offense as he probably

1416
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: needs to rite away. We've seen this with other receivers

1417
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: that have come here, have gotten hurt in the spring

1418
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: and summer, miss time in OTA's, miss time in training camp,

1419
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: and never really caught up. Now, maybe those weren't the

1420
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: most talented players to begin with, but it definitely impacted

1421
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: their development. So my my ceiling for Chris Bell for

1422
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: the Patriots, if you want to trade up into like

1423
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: the seventies or eighties from ninety six, that's where you

1424
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: can start to sell me on Chris Bell fun player

1425
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: again if he was and part of it, I gotta

1426
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: be consistent, explosive. I didn't want Josh Simmons last year. Yeah,

1427
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: I didn't think they're in position to take that risk.

1428
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 2: Well, I'm the reason why I bring it up is

1429
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 2: because I think they're more in that position.

1430
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 1: They're more in that position if it here's the if

1431
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: he played another position, I might be more inclined. Okay,

1432
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: I I what part of it is the wide receiver

1433
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: and just the way it works working at and.

1434
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 3: Sure you sound in on this, Yeah, I am, because

1435
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 3: I think that I keep coming back because he was

1436
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 3: gonna be my.

1437
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 2: Ceiling.

1438
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 3: They need they we do not need them to draft

1439
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 3: another uh you know, complimentary third receiver. They have five

1440
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 3: of those, right Like, they don't need any more of

1441
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 3: that middle.

1442
01:03:57,960 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 1: That's why I said to you, soo do you take

1443
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 1: Why are you taking wide receiver?

1444
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 2: On day two? I just look at this.

1445
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 3: Group and this is assuming that you know, Mike guy

1446
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 3: Brazzle is off the border, kind of in that doughnut

1447
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 3: range of like he's not good enough at thirty one,

1448
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 3: but he's not gonna make it to sixty five. I

1449
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 3: just look at this day two group and now I

1450
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 3: look at I'm kind of taking the slot Z type

1451
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 3: of guys out because they just paid Romeo Dobbs a

1452
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 3: crap ton of money to play that rung.

1453
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 2: That's a fair assumption.

1454
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna take those guys out, and I'm just

1455
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 3: gonna look at explosive down the field guys. Now, I

1456
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 3: think Chris Bell is more explosive with the ball in

1457
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 3: his hands, like catch and run explosive than he is

1458
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 3: like true vertical explosive.

1459
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 2: But I think he's good at the catch point though

1460
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 2: he's explosive. He's a big play dude. I talk stronger

1461
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 2: on offense.

1462
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 3: They need upside, they need they need high level talent,

1463
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 3: they need ceiling at that position.

1464
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 2: And yeah, you might have to take on a little

1465
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 2: bit of an injury risk.

1466
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 3: But and I know you're gonna say what you said

1467
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 3: about digs and these are proven guys and I get that. Yeah,

1468
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 3: medicine is a little bit of a different animal, like

1469
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 3: it just is. You know, I watched the Von Diggs

1470
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 3: come back from an acl in like nine or ten months. Uh,

1471
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 3: you know you knew I was gonna bring this up

1472
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 3: at some point. I will just I'm watching Jason Tatum

1473
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 3: play ten months after tearing in.

1474
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 1: A different sports, so I'm just saying I just wanted

1475
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: to mention Jason Tatum.

1476
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 3: Of course, I'm just saying good that we're talking about

1477
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 3: maybe a different like we're in the modern twenty twenty

1478
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 3: six medicine here where like a CLS or no, this

1479
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 3: isn't Willis mcgahey.

1480
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 1: So if I'm nuts first saying I expect Chris Brahel

1481
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: to develop into Stephan Diggs production. Yeah, and uh or

1482
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: sorry if I'm if I'm not just saying I expect

1483
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 1: Romeo Dobbs to develop in to Stephan Diggs production. And

1484
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: Dobbs has proven seven undred almost sven hundred fifty in

1485
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 1: the NFL. People, Oh, now I'm supposed to expect some

1486
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 1: kid coming off a torn ACL to step in and

1487
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 1: do that with limited practice time, Like I just I

1488
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 1: don't know.

1489
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 2: I I don't. I might take the bet on the upside,

1490
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 2: you know what, I yeah, but what realistically when is

1491
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 2: that upside hit.

1492
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty eight?

1493
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe I don't know.

1494
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: If he misses this year, if he's really that good,

1495
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: if he misses this year, if he's really that good.

1496
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 2: He's that good, we don't know. It's a tough adjustment

1497
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 2: from college to the pros. We don't know.

1498
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: He has no proven NFL. I like Chris Bell. I

1499
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 1: hate that they're making me do this.

1500
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 2: I like Chris Ball.

1501
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: You're the guy that turned me onto this. I would

1502
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: just rather some other team take the risk of this point. Okay,

1503
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 1: trust me. If he was healthy, I would be sitting here,

1504
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: Saint Chris Bell at thirty one. Next question, Okay, but

1505
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 1: I think you have to consider that.

1506
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 3: Okay, let me throw a few more names at you

1507
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 3: in this kind of role. The other guy that I

1508
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 3: keep seeing a lot that people are Patriots fans Patriots

1509
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 3: Twitter is Jacoby Lane from usc And I'll say this

1510
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 3: part about Jacoby Lane and then we'll get into the

1511
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 3: stuff that makes Jacobe Layane intriguing. Dan Brugler put a

1512
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 3: tweet out there that I thought was interesting in the

1513
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 3: reply to a Patriots fan about Jacoby Lane. This is

1514
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 3: Dan Burglar's reporting, not mine. Dame Brugler said, doesn't feel

1515
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 3: like he's a Rabel type of player, which tells me toughness, effort,

1516
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 3: and finish. Is he one of these guys that pulls

1517
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 3: his hamstring and you know I'm hert coach, you know,

1518
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 3: like like one of these types of things. That's what

1519
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 3: it tells me, because I don't think that he's a

1520
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 3: There's nothing about Jacobe Lane that spells that he's like

1521
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 3: a bad dude or anything like that, right, So I

1522
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 3: think that this is more about play demeanor, like football

1523
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 3: play demeanor that doesn't really scream vable Now. At the

1524
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 3: same time, enormous catch radius, like one of the biggest

1525
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 3: catch radius is in the draft, great hands highlight reel catches.

1526
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 2: I think the one thing that scares me a little bit,

1527
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 2: you know.

1528
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 3: Natural hands catcher by the way, too, like can pluck

1529
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 3: the ball outside of his frame, bring it in all

1530
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 3: sorts of different things. We saw him in the Gauntlet drill,

1531
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 3: like under the gauntlet drill, smooth as silk. The one

1532
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 3: thing that I think, you know stands out though, is

1533
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 3: he's got a little bit of that like Aaron Dobson

1534
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 3: Nikhil Harry, Like all of his highlights are these one

1535
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,080
Speaker 3: handed catches, but there's no step.

1536
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 2: What's in between them?

1537
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's just like okay, like this is a

1538
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 3: great highlight reel receiver. But you know the consistency there

1539
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 3: of consistently separating, especially once the routes get further down

1540
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 3: the field, Like, is he a guy that with his

1541
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 3: size and with his radius can be like a slant

1542
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 3: winner and stuff like that.

1543
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he.

1544
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 3: Could probably do that. He's gonna win jump balls. He's

1545
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 3: gonna war win you know, a handful of jump balls

1546
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 3: a season. But we've seen that type of movie before,

1547
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 3: like we know where that sometimes goes. It's why I

1548
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 3: have reluctance with a guy like Malachi Fields from Notre Dame,

1549
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 3: Like where do you stand right now on Jacobe Lane?

1550
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 3: Because I think this is another guy that a lot

1551
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 3: of people I keep seeing as like the day to

1552
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 3: guy right now in this like bigger receiver mold.

1553
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know somebody that big you'd like to see

1554
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 1: get off the line a little better too.

1555
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I agree with you. He's a builder

1556
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 2: of speed. He's he's not a he's a he's a train.

1557
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 1: If you, if you can drink, make make it work

1558
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 1: with a guy that's just fifty to fifteen can make

1559
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: that work regularly.

1560
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 2: I understand it.

1561
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 1: But he's gonna have I don't know, you know, when

1562
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 1: you're talking about the X, you're talking about a guy

1563
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:11,759
Speaker 1: that's gonna be on the field. What seventy eighty percent

1564
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 1: of the snaps a lot.

1565
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kishan Boodi was on the field of front.

1566
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 1: Do you trust him to give you what you need

1567
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 1: in that volume? He's probably more of a situational player.

1568
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1569
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 3: I think early on in his career he's probably like

1570
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 3: matchup red zone guy, where like, yeah, if you were

1571
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:30,719
Speaker 3: playing a team that has a bunch of small corners

1572
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 3: and you just feel like you can get him on

1573
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 3: one of those guys and he just can moss the

1574
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 3: corner down the field or it's red zone and you're

1575
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 3: trying to you know, throw him a fade or high

1576
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 3: point fade or use his size and things like that,

1577
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 3: you know, they need to improve their red zone offense.

1578
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 3: I think Romeo Dodson Gilliam actually helped in both those regards.

1579
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 3: Maybe something we didn't necessarily mention is that Romeo Dobbs

1580
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 3: to mention that, yeah, has like seventeen red zone touchdown relays. Yeah,

1581
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,640
Speaker 3: really good red zone player, really good playoff player so

1582
01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 3: far in his career with Dobbs. So maybe they already

1583
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 3: did a little bit of that, But I just thought

1584
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 3: bringing him up was important because he's Yeah, I keep

1585
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 3: seeing his name everywhere.

1586
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: Where you're at Ted Hurst, So I need to watch

1587
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 1: more of Ted Hurst. Uh A spoiler shocker.

1588
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 3: Georgia State Film is not very prevalent in the underground

1589
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 3: uh draft film market. Uh they also YouTube. Uh you

1590
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:21,600
Speaker 3: know we're on YouTube right now. So I should be

1591
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 3: careful with this. But at the same time, like they

1592
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 3: keep on like copywriting all of like the draft, you're you're.

1593
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: Only looking for the big time opponents he played. So

1594
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 1: I would look where you find just pulling up their schedule.

1595
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 1: I'd look where you find Old miss in Memphis film.

1596
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 2: I could try that. And Vanderbilt there's two guy, him

1597
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 2: and Skyler Beller are the two guys.

1598
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: Either give up seventy to Vanderbilt.

1599
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 3: I have a request, you know, with my people about

1600
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 3: trying to find film on those guys. You would think

1601
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 3: I could just go down the hall and ask, but

1602
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 3: I can't.

1603
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 1: I do like Skyler bell I guess he makes less

1604
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 1: sense now with Romeo Dobbs, but he's a good player.

1605
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know the other guys you know that I've

1606
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 3: watched recently, Like I I like Antonio will Let's bring

1607
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 3: that recency bias player. I like Antonio Williams from Clemson.

1608
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 3: But that's just not what they need right now. You

1609
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 3: know he's a shifty slot receiver. You know, a lot

1610
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 3: of different things going on there with him, recency, biased players.

1611
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 3: You know, I've been pretty free agency heavy this week.

1612
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:12,600
Speaker 4: So i.

1613
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 2: Haven't done a ton of of God.

1614
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 3: I'll give you one though, and I'm gonna butcher his

1615
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 3: last name because I'm just terrible with names. Uh is

1616
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 3: it Jackus Gabe Jackis acis Ares. The jay is silent,

1617
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 3: It's a it's a soft jay jogging.

1618
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: No Ja Jakis, no Acus, The jay is silent, Gabe

1619
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: Akus Gabe Acus from Illinois.

1620
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:39,759
Speaker 3: That guy is a dude. Is He's mean, He's nasty,

1621
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:45,560
Speaker 3: he is a Yeah, he just wants to bring his

1622
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 3: You know, he wants to bring the fight to you.

1623
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 2: He wants to hurt you. Yeah.

1624
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 1: I like he wants he wants to make people talk

1625
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 1: about the day they faced gave Akis.

1626
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:55,640
Speaker 3: You talk about fear and every finish right like you

1627
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 3: talk about guys that played to the whistle and play physical, Uh,

1628
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 3: stand up outside linebacker two Like that kind of fits

1629
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 3: their mold. If I don't know where ex like he

1630
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 3: might be like an early day Day two pick. It

1631
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 3: might be kind of like fringe second third round. Yeah,

1632
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 3: but he maybe top fifty.

1633
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:13,679
Speaker 2: He was fun.

1634
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 3: I mean I wrote down you know, just rugged, like rugged, splash,

1635
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 3: plays like all over the that.

1636
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 1: Team leader thing too. He's supposed to be great in

1637
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:22,679
Speaker 1: a room.

1638
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, fun player.

1639
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 1: I think he gets more violent just watching him, because

1640
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:30,680
Speaker 1: he really broke out last year.

1641
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1642
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 1: I think in another draft we're talking about him as

1643
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 1: like a sleeper pick a thirty one.

1644
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1645
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: In this draft, no, because there's so much depth at edge, right,

1646
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,599
Speaker 1: But in another draft he gets some buzz like he's

1647
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 1: the guy everybody's talking about. Is like, you know, nobody's

1648
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:48,680
Speaker 1: considering in the first round. And again he won't get

1649
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 1: that this year, but he's a Yeah, I'm a big

1650
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: fan of his.

1651
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a lot of fun to watch. I

1652
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 2: mean some of the words that I just wrote in

1653
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:55,560
Speaker 2: my notes.

1654
01:12:55,640 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 3: You know, rugged, violent, you know just bully Will is

1655
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 3: to just not just take on blocks, but play through blocks,

1656
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,639
Speaker 3: like he's trying to go through a poller, Like he's

1657
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 3: you know, that's not just a guy that's just looking

1658
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 3: to sort of survive the fight there.

1659
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 2: He's trying to bring the fight to you. Just feels

1660
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 2: like a rable type of player.

1661
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's gonna be in a reasonable

1662
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:19,599
Speaker 3: range for them if they.

1663
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 2: Don't go edge in the first round.

1664
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:22,680
Speaker 1: I think, and maybe they trade up a little bit,

1665
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 1: but with the way they've talked about their need at edge,

1666
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 1: I'm not rolling that out. Yeah, Like no, I think

1667
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:29,640
Speaker 1: he could be in realistic range for them, especially if

1668
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 1: some of these other guys ahead of them, you know,

1669
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 1: if if height falls because of his size, and if

1670
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 1: you know, Casius Howell takes a little bit of a

1671
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 1: dip because of his arm length and Zion Young And that's.

1672
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 3: My big draft take with this class. Yeah, Ruben Bain's

1673
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 3: going to be fine. Yeah, Rubin Bain's going to be

1674
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 3: a top five, top ten pick. He's going to go

1675
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 3: exactly where he would have gone regardless of the arm length.

1676
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 3: The guy to me that's gonna slip because of the

1677
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 3: measurables is cash is Well.

1678
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 1: The other thing too, is just see this. Sometimes when

1679
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 1: it's a great class at a position, right, guys end

1680
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 1: up going later because teams kind of know in the

1681
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:08,560
Speaker 1: back of their head, well, if I don't get this

1682
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 1: guy here, there's still talent down the board, and so

1683
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 1: everybody kind of waits. So I'm not running that out.

1684
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 1: I give you a RECNCY player for you. So I

1685
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 1: this is a TBD take. I don't know if I'm

1686
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:19,640
Speaker 1: saying the Patriot should pick this guy yet, I am

1687
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 1: just interested because he is interesting. Okay, it's a running back.

1688
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna assume you haven't watched him. Day three

1689
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:30,719
Speaker 1: player Adam Randall from Clemson. So he was a receives,

1690
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 1: a converted receiver.

1691
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 2: I probably saw him when I was watching the receiver

1692
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 2: from Clemson.

1693
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 1: Well, he is a converted receiver six three, two thirty two,

1694
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 1: and he still doesn't he's still learning how to play

1695
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:43,679
Speaker 1: running back. But he's got great burst take on contact.

1696
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 1: Obviously he's a plus in the past game.

1697
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 2: You so desperately you love them drafting running backs every year.

1698
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 2: I think they need a running back every year. You're

1699
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 2: un we just did.

1700
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 1: He was their third running back. You laughed at me

1701
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:56,680
Speaker 1: for saying that.

1702
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 13: It was.

1703
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 3: Rmandra Stevenson on a big high tracked and they just

1704
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 3: drafted Trevon Henderson in the second right. So the many

1705
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 3: more running backs do you want them to invest?

1706
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 1: You need three?

1707
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 2: Did you not see what happened last year?

1708
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 3: Okay, so we can go in there we have four

1709
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 3: six round picks. You can use one of those on

1710
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:11,680
Speaker 3: a running.

1711
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 1: That's where Adam Randall's supposed to go.

1712
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 2: Go okay, I'm off your chase, go ahead.

1713
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 1: So well, I just kind of told like he's a

1714
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 1: converted receiver. Yeah, so you can move him all around

1715
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 1: the formation.

1716
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 2: Josh likes to do that. Yeah, he's six three two

1717
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 2: thirty so he so the Navy kid is more like

1718
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 2: lighter and quicker than that. Yeah.

1719
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, he's got like he's X receiver profile. But

1720
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 1: he's lining up in the backfield and he stills to

1721
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 1: learn how to play running back. But if you can

1722
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 1: teach him how to hit a hole, and he's hitting

1723
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 1: the hole at that size returns, yes, actually very good

1724
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 1: kick returner.

1725
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 3: So this is Cordero Patterson, is what you're telling me.

1726
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:45,679
Speaker 3: Not as talented, obviously, you know it's.

1727
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 2: Not a boat.

1728
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 1: He ran a four or five forty. I'd like to

1729
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 1: be a little faster, but like I you're you're in

1730
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:51,520
Speaker 1: the ballpark.

1731
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, nailed it. Okay, I just watch him all right,

1732
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 2: you won't. Well, so now you want Reggie Gilliam leading

1733
01:15:57,960 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 2: the way on.

1734
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 3: The kickoff return for Clemson running Randall Adam Randy.

1735
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:04,679
Speaker 2: That could be fun house calls. That could be pretty fun.

1736
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 2: Solid it done, kickoff return a four or five shuttle. Okay,

1737
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 2: that's that's okay for that size. Patty's an aquam. What's up, Patty?

1738
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 13: Good afternoon, Jens.

1739
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 2: What's up?

1740
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 7: He so?

1741
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:19,640
Speaker 6: Uh.

1742
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 13: I'll go over a few things. First thing, real quick.

1743
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 13: I love Akis. He has a wrestling background, so he

1744
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,679
Speaker 13: understands leverage and he knows how to throw his weight around.

1745
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 13: I would love him. There's a few guys I love,

1746
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 13: But just regarding free agency, I would I wouldn't mind

1747
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 13: signing Chig Conquo because I think we're gonna need to

1748
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 13: find a like that, that f type tight end to

1749
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 13: replace Hunter Henry. Like you said, this is the last

1750
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 13: year of his contract. Who knows if he ends up

1751
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 13: coming back. Evan, I might be with you and Eldred,

1752
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:51,719
Speaker 13: I might be all in on just say and screw

1753
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 13: it and take Brazil at thirty one because you need

1754
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 13: that guy, you need that big, that big X receiver.

1755
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 13: I'm with you, guys. I don't think Denzel Boston going

1756
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 13: to be there, and I mean it from watching him,

1757
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:06,640
Speaker 13: like I took away a lot of stuff that you

1758
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:08,560
Speaker 13: said him. And he just seems to understand For a

1759
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 13: guy that big and fast, he seems to understand route

1760
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 13: spacing maybe better than a lot of these big receivers

1761
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 13: that we see coming out. And he didn't have the

1762
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 13: best quarterback playing Tennessee last year. And I'll end with

1763
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 13: a question, Alex, I was in on Blake Miller last

1764
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:24,560
Speaker 13: year when I thought he was coming out, when he

1765
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 13: was going to be like a day two pick. I

1766
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 13: would love Blake Miller at thirty one. I don't think

1767
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 13: he'll be there. But have you watched any of Austin Barber.

1768
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 13: He played predominantly left tackle with Florida, but he's built

1769
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 13: more like what we would what the Patriots would use,

1770
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 13: like a right tackle. He's like six foot six, six

1771
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 13: foot seven, like like three fifteen, three twenty. I just

1772
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 13: want to know, if you've watched any of them, if

1773
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 13: you think he could be like maybe a good project

1774
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:58,919
Speaker 13: guy like with like the round three pick or possibly

1775
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 13: if he falls into the four and I'll take it

1776
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 13: off their guys.

1777
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 1: Thanks pat thanks for the call. Any familiarity with Yeah,

1778
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 1: I mean he's in that. You know he is different

1779
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:12,680
Speaker 1: than Blake Miller, Like he's a day three. He's a

1780
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 1: project guy like I've talked about Emil Wagner. He's kind

1781
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:18,639
Speaker 1: of around that range. I know, some people like kge

1782
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 1: Casey from Boise State, A world from Morgan. He's one

1783
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 1: of those tackles that's maybe too tall for his own

1784
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 1: good mate's older. Yeah, so I mean looks as a date.

1785
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't take him in the third round.

1786
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 2: Is a day three picks? Is a developmental right tackle? Yeah? Sure,

1787
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 2: throw him the mix. Yeah, I remember, and I'm sure

1788
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 2: he won't mind me telling this.

1789
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 3: I was talking to Sebastian Volmer, who does a lot

1790
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 3: of work for our German side of things here now,

1791
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 3: and it's cool. A couple of years ago we were

1792
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 3: at the Combine and it was right before the Patriots

1793
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:49,679
Speaker 3: went to Germany in twenty three, I want to say,

1794
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 3: so he was doing a lot of stuff with our

1795
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 3: content team and I got a chance to kind of

1796
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 3: just chat with him one night at dinner and he

1797
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 3: mentioned that, you know, he was Volmer, I want to say,

1798
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 3: was like six seven maybe six likes right, like good

1799
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 3: height for a tackle, but not not yeah right, not

1800
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 3: a skyscraper, right, And he said that like a guy,

1801
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 3: like a guy like Nate Solder, he said, had a

1802
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 3: harder time because he was so tall that like getting

1803
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:22,679
Speaker 3: down low in the stance and like really mirroring those

1804
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:24,840
Speaker 3: those edg rushers, like you can almost it can work

1805
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 3: against you sometimes. I think certain guys it works for them,

1806
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 3: Like I think Trent Brown's just massive size is the

1807
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:34,640
Speaker 3: reason why he is sticking around in the league. Like

1808
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 3: I can't believe the Texans re upped him again. But

1809
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 3: certain guys are too tall. That's a real thing. Let's

1810
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:48,559
Speaker 3: get back to the phones. David is in Fairfax. What's up, David, David,

1811
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 3: he's still there.

1812
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 2: He was on hold for a while.

1813
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 3: David callback in If you wanna, we can get you on.

1814
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 3: Daniel is in California. What's up, Daniel?

1815
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 10: Hey, So sorry, if you guys already talked about this,

1816
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 10: I'm like just joining right now. But with the whole

1817
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:09,679
Speaker 10: Romeo Dobbs signing, I've just been like like on Twitter

1818
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:11,599
Speaker 10: and all that, just seeing a lot of like reports.

1819
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 10: I think Karen was one of them, just saying that, like,

1820
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:16,680
Speaker 10: you know, this necessarily doesn't mean that we're out on

1821
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 10: aj Brown. I understand like the whole June first situation,

1822
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 10: and but my question is like, do you think this actually,

1823
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,760
Speaker 10: like is the Romeo Dobs thing? Does it give us

1824
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 10: more leverage in these negotiations? And like as things stand

1825
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 10: right now, if you have to like put money on it,

1826
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 10: do you think AJ Brown will be an Eagle on

1827
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 10: Opening Day? And I can just take it off.

1828
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:41,600
Speaker 3: There, I guess, Yeah, Daniel, thanks for the call. I

1829
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 3: don't know if it gives them any more leverage. I

1830
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 3: think the thet no, it makes them a little bit

1831
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:47,719
Speaker 3: less desperate.

1832
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe, but.

1833
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 3: AJ Brown's a really great player that's gonna have high

1834
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 3: trade value, and it's gonna be it's gonna be a

1835
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 3: substantial trade regardless. In my opinion, I bring up the

1836
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 3: June first so often because to me, this is the

1837
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 3: number one snag other than the fact that the Eagles

1838
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:08,679
Speaker 3: might not want to give away one of their best players,

1839
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 3: you know, taking that whole thing of it out of it.

1840
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 3: Let's just say, and I'm this is purely speculative, but

1841
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 3: let's just say that the Eagles and the Patriots, the

1842
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 3: Eagles are ready to trade AJ Brown. The Patriots are

1843
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 3: ready to meet the asking price. They kind of have

1844
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 3: like a framework of a night of a deal in mind.

1845
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 3: But the snag is the contract like, and I think

1846
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 3: that's really what it all boils down to, whether or

1847
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 3: not this is going to happen or not. I'm pretty

1848
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 3: sure I have the numbers right. If the Eagles trade

1849
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 3: aj Brown pre June first, before June first, it is

1850
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 3: a forty million dollar dead cap pit on their charge.

1851
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 1: It's not that it's a forty million dollars dead cap hit.

1852
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 1: It's forty million comes off their current cap space. It's

1853
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 1: a dead it's a dead money charge which counts against

1854
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 1: the cap in addition to what he already counts no

1855
01:21:58,280 --> 01:21:58,759
Speaker 1: in total.

1856
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:01,800
Speaker 3: I thought it's okay, So his dead money would be

1857
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:05,000
Speaker 3: forty million dollars, which would count against their salary cap

1858
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 3: this year. It would immediately hit the twenty twenty six

1859
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 3: cap if they execute the cap.

1860
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:14,719
Speaker 1: Has it says seventy two million in dead money negative

1861
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 1: forty nine million in cap savings.

1862
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:20,720
Speaker 3: Okay, so maybe it's the cap savings whatever. If they

1863
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 3: do it post June one, they can split it over

1864
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 3: two years. They can they can separate it over two seasons.

1865
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 3: So it just it's all an accounting way of saying

1866
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 3: that contract is easierly easier to trade after June first,

1867
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 3: it's easier from an accounting perspective for the Eagles to

1868
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:43,639
Speaker 3: digest the contract if they trade him after June first.

1869
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 1: And it's extreme to the point based on the reporting

1870
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:48,639
Speaker 1: I saw that, like they really wouldn't have been able

1871
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:51,240
Speaker 1: to do free agency if they traded AJ Brown because

1872
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 1: the salary implication.

1873
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,760
Speaker 3: Now they could there's always ways around it. They could

1874
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 3: restructure contracts, they could advance salary, they could do all

1875
01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 3: the fancy things that teams do to circumvent that. But yes,

1876
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 3: ultimately at the end of the day, you know, they

1877
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:09,599
Speaker 3: might not even assuming that they don't, they don't even

1878
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:11,760
Speaker 3: probably have enough cap space to do it, Like they'd

1879
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:14,639
Speaker 3: have to make another move to figure out the cap

1880
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 3: space of it all to do it. So to me

1881
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 3: and I get as a from a Patriots point of view,

1882
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:25,680
Speaker 3: the snag with it with AJ Brown is that that's very,

1883
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 3: very difficult to just assume that AJ Brown is going

1884
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:31,920
Speaker 3: to be a Patriot June second, Like you can't just

1885
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 3: put all your eggs in that basket.

1886
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 2: We just saw this, you know, to an extent with Max.

1887
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 3: Crosby, like trades fall through, other teams jump in like

1888
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 3: you might think you have a handshake agreement with Howie

1889
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:47,559
Speaker 3: Roseman and the Eagles. But when you know, the draft

1890
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 3: passes and some team misses on their wide receiver target

1891
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 3: in the draft, and now all of a sudden they

1892
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 3: come back to revisiting the aj Brown thing, and here

1893
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:57,679
Speaker 3: we go, right, like now it's a higher asking price,

1894
01:23:57,760 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 3: or you're in a bidding war or something like that.

1895
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 3: It's very difficult to just put all your eggs in

1896
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 3: that basket if you're the Patriots. But if you're the Eagles,

1897
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 3: it's very difficult to trade him now. So this is

1898
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 3: a trade that if it does go down, you would

1899
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 3: think would probably go down sometime in August, like right

1900
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 3: before training camp. Similar timing to like Micah Parsons right

1901
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 3: last year with the Cowboys, which again is if you're

1902
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 3: the Patriots, like, are you willing to roll the dice

1903
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:24,599
Speaker 3: that you might go into next season not well?

1904
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:28,360
Speaker 1: And also like that, if you're negotiating for the Patriots, now,

1905
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 1: the Eagles are losing leverage because he's worthless, having not

1906
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 1: been having knocked gone through your offseason program, having not

1907
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:36,679
Speaker 1: had all that time to work with Drake May. Yeah,

1908
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 1: all that, you know, not being in your building. I'm

1909
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 1: not giving up the same frager Brown in August that

1910
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 1: I am in April. Absolutely not. Yeah, it's even June,

1911
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:48,680
Speaker 1: so you know when June, he's already gonna miss some time.

1912
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:51,599
Speaker 1: He's gonna miss some of OTA's and mini camps usually

1913
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:53,719
Speaker 1: in mid June, so maybe if they got it done quick,

1914
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 1: he could be back for that. I wouldn't give up

1915
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 1: a first form in August. Absolutely not.

1916
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, it's it's tough. It's a tough trade.

1917
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:06,639
Speaker 3: I think that there's interest from both sides, both from

1918
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 3: the Patriots side to trade for AJ Brown and the

1919
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 3: Eagle side to move AJ Brown. But it's just an

1920
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 3: accounting thing that I know is like kind of you know,

1921
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 3: gives you a popsicle headache trying to think of all

1922
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 3: the numbers and stuff like that. But it is what

1923
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 3: it is, a couple of emails here that I wanted

1924
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 3: to get to you that I thought were good. And

1925
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 3: we'll keep on taking these phone calls, lots of phone

1926
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 3: calls today. That's what it's an off season show.

1927
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:29,760
Speaker 2: This is what does for you.

1928
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 3: So I wanted to read this email from Chris and

1929
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:34,640
Speaker 3: Main because I get this question a lot, or this

1930
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 3: point made to me a lot about Kaishon Booty and

1931
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 3: his role and his usage. Uh, there's a lot of

1932
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:42,879
Speaker 3: I get a lot of pushback, a lot of emails

1933
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 3: about Kashan Booty being more of a Z receiver than

1934
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 3: an X receiver. And I don't want to get too

1935
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 3: bogged down in the Z slot of it all. But essentially,

1936
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 3: what we're talking about is a guy that typically aligns

1937
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 3: at X would be on the line of scrimmage on

1938
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 3: the backside to the formation. A Z receiver is a

1939
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 3: guy that's moving around, right, he's playing a little slot,

1940
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:05,559
Speaker 3: he's playing a little outside.

1941
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:06,639
Speaker 2: He's kind of hybrid.

1942
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's playing off the line of scrimmage so that

1943
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 3: he can move around the formation. The thing is about

1944
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 3: that is that we're kind of going back, in my

1945
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:19,800
Speaker 3: opinion with Kaishan Booty to LSU Kishan Booty when we

1946
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 3: say that, there's no doubt that early on in his career,

1947
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 3: like his freshman breakout at LSU definitely profiled more as

1948
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 3: like a power slot, like kind of not the same

1949
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 3: but not as dissimilar as like an AJ Brown type,

1950
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:35,720
Speaker 3: right that was going to catch and run with the

1951
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 3: football and be big.

1952
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 2: And strong and all that.

1953
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 1: After that year was Deebo Samuel.

1954
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,760
Speaker 3: Sure like something something like that. That's a true catch

1955
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:46,760
Speaker 3: and run artist. I don't see that kind of play

1956
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 3: speed in Kishan Booty anymore post his you know, freak

1957
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 3: ankle injury at LSU.

1958
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 7: And so.

1959
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 3: I hear this a lot that that's his natural position.

1960
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 3: The Patriots have been playing Adam position, yadi YadA. The

1961
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 3: other thing that I would go back to is and

1962
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 3: maybe this is out of necessity, you can make that argument,

1963
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 3: but in twenty twenty three, Bill O'Brien decided to develop

1964
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:13,760
Speaker 3: him as an ex and Bill Belichick in twenty twenty four,

1965
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:16,559
Speaker 3: Jirod Mayo and Alex van Pelt, which I know who

1966
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 3: I'm talking about, but Rod Mayo and Alex van Pelt

1967
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 3: played him at the X In twenty twenty five, Mike

1968
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 3: Rabel and Josh McDaniels played him at the X. So

1969
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 3: until an NFL coaching staff looks at Kaishan Boody and

1970
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 3: tells me he's actually we actually see him more as

1971
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 3: a hybrid player and more as a Z Yeah. I

1972
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:36,439
Speaker 3: just don't see that. I think his best trait right

1973
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 3: now is winning the ball down the field. So is

1974
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 3: he the kind of X receiver that you think they

1975
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:47,519
Speaker 3: want with Drake May long term NOU and that's not

1976
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 3: a knock on Kaishan Boody no style.

1977
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:50,719
Speaker 1: I'm talking stylistic.

1978
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 3: I think that there's a lot of too things that

1979
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 3: I like about his game that fit with Drake May,

1980
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 3: mostly the catch points stuff and his ability to win

1981
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 3: the football, you know, use his frame and his size

1982
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 3: to you know kind of you know, one, he kind

1983
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 3: of does that like slingshot thing where he kind of

1984
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:08,439
Speaker 3: wins late on the with the ball in the air.

1985
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 3: And then he also has a you know, good strong

1986
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 3: hands at the catch point. You know, obviously we saw

1987
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 3: the one handed catch against the Texans is just sick, right,

1988
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 3: you know, he makes plays like that on the football.

1989
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 2: But I think that ideally, I think ideally you.

1990
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 3: Get a little bit more speed in that role, right,

1991
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 3: like somebody that has a little bit more get up

1992
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:31,600
Speaker 3: and go in that type of role. I hear what

1993
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 3: people are saying about that's what he looked like in college. Uh,

1994
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:38,639
Speaker 3: he certainly does not have the downfield like third level

1995
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,240
Speaker 3: burner speed that would suggest that he'd be a great

1996
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:45,560
Speaker 3: outside receiver. I just again, three different coaching staffs and

1997
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:48,679
Speaker 3: two or three no offense to AVP that I really

1998
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:51,720
Speaker 3: respect them as like offensive minds in Bill O'Brien and

1999
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:54,719
Speaker 3: Josh McDaniels telling me that this is where we're playing

2000
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 3: him and right, So I just don't see that now.

2001
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:59,519
Speaker 3: The other part of it with Chris is in this

2002
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 3: email well, as he mentions Kyle Williams as more of

2003
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:05,840
Speaker 3: like a Z receiver than the peer X. I can

2004
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:08,680
Speaker 3: get behind that one a little bit more because I

2005
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:10,800
Speaker 3: do think that he has like the twitch and the

2006
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:14,560
Speaker 3: suddenness as a separator, especially against man coverage, to be

2007
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 3: able to maybe be a little bit better off inside

2008
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,479
Speaker 3: And he's not the biggest of guys right to be

2009
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 3: playing on the boundary all the time. The issue with

2010
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 3: him is rou conversions, like he's just not there yet

2011
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:30,560
Speaker 3: in terms of reading coverage and changing routes on the

2012
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 3: fly to the point where he's going to be in

2013
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 3: the right places all the time. And that's a big

2014
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 3: part of playing inside in this offense. That's the part

2015
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:42,839
Speaker 3: of playing inside in this offense is can you read coverage?

2016
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:45,599
Speaker 3: Can you understand man versus his own? Can you understand

2017
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 3: leverage where openings are? All those nuances are what made

2018
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 3: the guys that have been great here in that role.

2019
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:53,559
Speaker 2: Great.

2020
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:56,479
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's Kyle Williams. I agree that

2021
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:59,560
Speaker 3: he moves more like that as an athlete. I just

2022
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 3: don't know so if he's going to get there between

2023
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 3: the ears to be able to play that kind of role.

2024
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 3: The other names that they he mentioned were just you

2025
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:10,519
Speaker 3: know Iver, you know BTJ, which you know. I think

2026
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:14,600
Speaker 3: Schefter tried his best to pour cold water on that

2027
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:20,679
Speaker 3: rumor with him being available, Are you kind of taking

2028
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:22,680
Speaker 3: him at his word in terms of Schefter and say, if.

2029
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:25,000
Speaker 1: He's available, he traded thirty first pick for him. I

2030
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:28,240
Speaker 1: would do that today, but I don't think that never

2031
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:29,639
Speaker 1: made sense to me why he was available.

2032
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:30,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2033
01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:32,400
Speaker 3: Uh so the news in the NFL, I guess we

2034
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:34,920
Speaker 3: should probably talk a little bit about this, just going

2035
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:37,439
Speaker 3: through some of these emails. The news in the NFL

2036
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:39,720
Speaker 3: the last twelve hours has been Max Crosby, and we

2037
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 3: mentioned it a couple of times today, But this is

2038
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 3: from David Maine. He just wants our take on it, like,

2039
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 3: do we think Max Crosby really feeled his physical Do

2040
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 3: we think that they you know, got cold feet? They

2041
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 3: pivoted to Drey Henderson awfully quick. This one smells a

2042
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:58,479
Speaker 3: little bit, Alex, it does. It smells a little bit, uh,

2043
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 3: not unprecedented, but uncommon, Like I think that's pretty fair

2044
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:05,519
Speaker 3: to say, like it doesn't happen every year, right, that's

2045
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:07,960
Speaker 3: something like this. What do you think happened with Max Crosby?

2046
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you just look at how the timeline

2047
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 1: kind of played out.

2048
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:17,400
Speaker 2: I'm certainly looks weird. Yeah, I don't know.

2049
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:20,560
Speaker 1: Maybe they really were worried about his knee, but you

2050
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:23,960
Speaker 1: know it, it's really fascinating what's gonna happen with the

2051
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 1: Raiders now because they made all these moves and they

2052
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:29,839
Speaker 1: spend a bunch of money not accounting for Max Crosby

2053
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:33,280
Speaker 1: on the bucks. Well, now Max Crosby's back on the books,

2054
01:31:33,439 --> 01:31:36,559
Speaker 1: and they say that they're committed to paying all their

2055
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:39,559
Speaker 1: their free agents that they signed, and they're gonna keep Crosby.

2056
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:41,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if they have the room to do that,

2057
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:44,439
Speaker 1: if they're gonna have to renegotiate contracts because they're gonna

2058
01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 1: have to trade somebody else. But you know, and then

2059
01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:49,519
Speaker 1: you look at if if this does change the situation

2060
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 1: for other players, does that open up opportunities for teams

2061
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:56,000
Speaker 1: around the league? Like this thing could be or we're

2062
01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:57,800
Speaker 1: just getting started here. This thing could be a real mess.

2063
01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:01,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, now it's It sounds like the Raiders have the

2064
01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:03,800
Speaker 3: ability to go through with their free agent because they

2065
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 3: have spent a crap ton of money in free agency.

2066
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:08,800
Speaker 3: They had like a Patriot level free agency and meaning

2067
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:13,400
Speaker 3: last year's Patriot free agency spending spree Tyler Linderbaum like massive,

2068
01:32:13,479 --> 01:32:16,639
Speaker 3: massive contracts. It sounds like they're still able to make

2069
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 3: that work financially for the time being. But that's thirty

2070
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:22,519
Speaker 3: million dollars in cap space they were planning on having,

2071
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:24,920
Speaker 3: and not just cap space but cap cash on hand. Yeah,

2072
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 3: Like they weren't planning on paying Max Crosby, and now

2073
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:29,320
Speaker 3: they have to.

2074
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:30,760
Speaker 2: They have to.

2075
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:33,960
Speaker 3: I would think still facilitated trade, and not every team

2076
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:37,240
Speaker 3: is going to handle the injury the same, so some

2077
01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:41,000
Speaker 3: teams will overlook it and say sure. I remember famously,

2078
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick's told the story about Randy Moss and that

2079
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:46,680
Speaker 3: trade a million times and how quickly that had to

2080
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 3: come together and he had to pass his physical and

2081
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick was just like, yeah, he got him into

2082
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:54,640
Speaker 3: the room. Doctor. I said to the doctor, he's good, right.

2083
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:56,680
Speaker 3: The doctor said up and that was it, you know,

2084
01:32:57,000 --> 01:33:01,800
Speaker 3: like so like there's different levels of physical This one, though,

2085
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:04,519
Speaker 3: to me, does smell a little bit like I think

2086
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:08,680
Speaker 3: Drey Hendrickson maybe the market kind of dwindled on him.

2087
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:11,120
Speaker 3: It got the number got lower and lower. They're like

2088
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:13,760
Speaker 3: instead of trading our two first round picks. Like, I

2089
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:16,680
Speaker 3: don't think Trey Henderson's as good as Max Crosby, but

2090
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:19,439
Speaker 3: is he like eighty five to ninety percent?

2091
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:21,599
Speaker 1: Also the irony of the back out of the Max

2092
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:24,439
Speaker 1: Crosby deal because of the physical Yes, and now you

2093
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:28,639
Speaker 1: go sign a guy who's in his mid thirties, Yeah,

2094
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:30,280
Speaker 1: who's coming off a hip injury.

2095
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:32,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, to a four year deal.

2096
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 1: And I haven't seen the details on the contract. I

2097
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 1: do this guaranteed money in all four years, but you're

2098
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:38,560
Speaker 1: not doing a four year deal with one year money guaranteed.

2099
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:41,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, So got a little bit of cold feet.

2100
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 1: I was surprised they gave Hendrickson four years.

2101
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:44,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.

2102
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:50,000
Speaker 3: This is from Rick in Riverside, Rhode Island. This is

2103
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:53,280
Speaker 3: a good question because you mentioned Blake Miller earlier as

2104
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 3: kind of a luxury pick. If the Patriots get to

2105
01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:58,840
Speaker 3: the draft and they might be in a position they

2106
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 3: have eleven draft picks. All of those have a ton

2107
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:03,160
Speaker 3: of value. Let's be honest. For six round picks is

2108
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:03,880
Speaker 3: not going to get you much.

2109
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:05,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you can use me to help move up.

2110
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:07,760
Speaker 3: Is there world where you would trade up in the

2111
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:11,360
Speaker 3: first round? The target a player, and he asked if

2112
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 3: you would, who would that player be? How high up

2113
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:14,920
Speaker 3: would you go?

2114
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:19,040
Speaker 1: Not high. I still don't want to see them. I

2115
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:21,040
Speaker 1: still want to see them make three top one hundred picks.

2116
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:24,400
Speaker 1: And it's even fringy on that one at ninety six, right, So.

2117
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:26,280
Speaker 3: I feel like if you're trading up, you're giving up

2118
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:28,080
Speaker 3: something in twenty twenty seven to make it happen.

2119
01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:28,679
Speaker 6: Mmmm.

2120
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 2: I don't love that anything because there I don't think

2121
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:31,879
Speaker 2: you have enough capital.

2122
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:33,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess you could trade like your first,

2123
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:35,880
Speaker 3: second and third round pick of this year's draft, but

2124
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:38,160
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like I really do the math.

2125
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:40,960
Speaker 3: I don't if you're going to move up, I'm assuming

2126
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:42,840
Speaker 3: we're not sorry to cut you off. I'm assuming we're

2127
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:44,559
Speaker 3: not talking about moving up three slots here.

2128
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:46,640
Speaker 2: Okay, So that's what I was going to say. I

2129
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:48,280
Speaker 2: go back to round or something.

2130
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:51,599
Speaker 1: When the Patriots moved up or moved back for Gonzalez

2131
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:53,679
Speaker 1: in twenty three. It was a first in a fourth

2132
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:56,640
Speaker 1: to move up three spots. You know they have the

2133
01:34:56,680 --> 01:34:58,880
Speaker 1: two fourths. Would I consider using one of them to

2134
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:02,200
Speaker 1: do something like that. I don't think that that's unfair.

2135
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:04,800
Speaker 1: That's probably as far as I go. Now, moving up

2136
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:07,639
Speaker 1: those three or four spots could matter, right if you're

2137
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:11,280
Speaker 1: in the market for a receiver. The Chiefs at twenty nine,

2138
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:13,559
Speaker 1: the Chiefs are now there are twenty nine that might

2139
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:15,679
Speaker 1: be a wide receiver team if you're in the market

2140
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:18,200
Speaker 1: for a tackle. The Niners at twenty seven, the Chiefs

2141
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:20,559
Speaker 1: at twenty nine, Like you might be trying to jump teams.

2142
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 1: You want to get really aggressive. The Bears are the

2143
01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 1: Bills at twenty six could be a receiver team. I

2144
01:35:25,479 --> 01:35:27,479
Speaker 1: don't know that you're trading above twenty five. That's even

2145
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:30,120
Speaker 1: getting expensive. Again, it was a first in the fourth

2146
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:32,880
Speaker 1: to move up three spots. That that was fourteen to seventeen.

2147
01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:35,640
Speaker 1: What is that You can pull up the trades tar

2148
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:37,680
Speaker 1: and tell you later in a round that's going to

2149
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:40,760
Speaker 1: move you a little further. But like in increment, that's

2150
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:42,120
Speaker 1: probably as much as I would do it first in

2151
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:45,760
Speaker 1: a fourth. Yeah, okay, so hang on a second, I

2152
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 1: was thinking more, something bigger.

2153
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:54,000
Speaker 2: I'm out. I'm out on that. I was thinking save

2154
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:55,599
Speaker 2: the assets for next year. Two.

2155
01:35:55,720 --> 01:36:03,560
Speaker 3: There's two guys I was thinking specifically, is one of

2156
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:08,519
Speaker 3: like a Jordan Tyson or Mkaya Lemon or Carnel Tape.

2157
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:10,360
Speaker 1: By the way, trading your first in your according to

2158
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 1: the trade chart, you're first and your higher fourth. Yeah

2159
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:15,800
Speaker 1: gets you to twenty seven. Yeah, it gets you up

2160
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:18,560
Speaker 1: five spots. Well, it's not that jumping the chiefs for

2161
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:19,719
Speaker 1: receivers not nothing.

2162
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:22,519
Speaker 3: Wait, I know, but when we're talking about like trading

2163
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:24,360
Speaker 3: up in the draft, I thought we were talking about

2164
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:26,240
Speaker 3: like into a different tier of player.

2165
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, I'd rather trade back.

2166
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:32,640
Speaker 3: Does one of those receivers have some weird fall? And

2167
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:35,320
Speaker 3: I know people are like that not gonna happen. Probably not,

2168
01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:39,720
Speaker 3: But I don't know, Like justin Jefferson fell to like

2169
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 3: twenty two, you know, Ceedee Lamb was like the eighteenth

2170
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:45,360
Speaker 3: pick in the draft or nineteen or whatever, Like, it's

2171
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:46,440
Speaker 3: not inconceivable.

2172
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:47,720
Speaker 14: Uh.

2173
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:50,560
Speaker 3: The other guy that I thought would be interesting just

2174
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:52,479
Speaker 3: to get your take on, like, would you do it

2175
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 3: if Sadik were to slip a little bit?

2176
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:57,960
Speaker 1: You want my my take on Kenyon Cidek right now, Yes,

2177
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:01,120
Speaker 1: he's going to the Chiefs at nine. At nine, at nine,

2178
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:04,280
Speaker 1: that high? Doesn't it make all now that they have that,

2179
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:08,479
Speaker 1: because everybody at ear marked that spot for Jeremiah Love. Yeah,

2180
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:14,679
Speaker 1: they need a pass catcher. It's not especially if Tate

2181
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:19,240
Speaker 1: goes before them. Doesn't it kind of make a lot

2182
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:21,679
Speaker 1: of sense. He's gonna replace Travis Kelcey. We know Patrick

2183
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:24,000
Speaker 1: Mahomes like throwing to the tight end. It's a good

2184
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:25,760
Speaker 1: fit for the offense. He's a good fit from a

2185
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 1: home skill set. I just think that makes a whole

2186
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:32,560
Speaker 1: lot of sense. Okay, I think he's going to the

2187
01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:35,000
Speaker 1: Chiefs at nine. That's that's high. And I'll give you

2188
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 1: another one now that they have their pick back. Yeah,

2189
01:37:38,479 --> 01:37:40,479
Speaker 1: the Ravens really need a tight end, Yeah they do.

2190
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:44,160
Speaker 1: They just lost and likely again another guy that's a

2191
01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:46,040
Speaker 1: really good fit for the way. Well, I guess the

2192
01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:47,640
Speaker 1: way they run their offense might change a little bit

2193
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:51,200
Speaker 1: new coaching staff, but like, no, you know, yeah, if

2194
01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:51,479
Speaker 1: you're not.

2195
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:54,000
Speaker 2: Gonna if Amar is a pretty specific player and you're.

2196
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:57,560
Speaker 1: Not I like Jordan Tyson. Yeah, let's say Jordan or

2197
01:37:57,680 --> 01:38:00,680
Speaker 1: McKay lemon, Right, and you like him, But when you

2198
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:03,479
Speaker 1: look at specifically what's needed in that offense, and maybe

2199
01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:05,040
Speaker 1: you could argue more for m Kyle Lemon, but they

2200
01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:08,880
Speaker 1: have Zay Flowers. Just who's gonna produce more net offense?

2201
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:11,439
Speaker 1: Who's gonna have more output in that offense? Jordan Tyson

2202
01:38:11,479 --> 01:38:14,000
Speaker 1: or Kenyan Citek's dick. I mean, right, if there's one

2203
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:16,240
Speaker 1: throw that Lamar likes the most, it's the seam. He

2204
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:18,400
Speaker 1: loves throwing the seams. He loves throwing the middle of

2205
01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:21,160
Speaker 1: the field. He's always been a between the numbers, uh,

2206
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:24,320
Speaker 1: preferred between the numbers guy. That's why the Ravens have

2207
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:26,519
Speaker 1: always loaded up on tight ends, you know, That's why

2208
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:28,840
Speaker 1: they've been a tight I don't offense. Those are the

2209
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:30,560
Speaker 1: two spots I look at, and then you want to

2210
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:32,600
Speaker 1: throw in the Panthers really need. That's in nineteen The

2211
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:34,280
Speaker 1: Panthers really need tight end if he falls. But at

2212
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:36,439
Speaker 1: this point I think somebody maybe trades up. Yeah, you know,

2213
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:38,639
Speaker 1: even if you're giving up a lot, you're still probably

2214
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:40,719
Speaker 1: not getting above eighteen nineteen twenty.

2215
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:43,719
Speaker 3: The only reason why I brought it up is because

2216
01:38:44,439 --> 01:38:49,040
Speaker 3: great athletic profile. Yeah, great ball of clay, great in theory,

2217
01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:49,960
Speaker 3: great everything.

2218
01:38:50,120 --> 01:38:51,360
Speaker 2: They're not gonna get high enough.

2219
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:52,160
Speaker 1: They're not gonna be able to.

2220
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:54,400
Speaker 3: Are you willing to sell his future for I'm just

2221
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:57,680
Speaker 3: saying his production is not first round caliber tight end.

2222
01:38:58,360 --> 01:39:00,400
Speaker 3: And I know it's We've done this in the past

2223
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 3: of that Oregon offense. It's a weird offense. You know,

2224
01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:06,120
Speaker 3: it happens, right, like you know Justin Herbert did not

2225
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:10,880
Speaker 3: have it. You know, right, it happens, but it's from

2226
01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 3: a production profile. And I'm talking about statistically, Yeah, he

2227
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:16,879
Speaker 3: is not a first round caliber.

2228
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:19,719
Speaker 1: I will say this the last two years, Colston Lovelin

2229
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:22,639
Speaker 1: goes at ten, Tyler Warren goes at fourteen. Tyler Warren

2230
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 1: definitely has a tremendous success. Yeah, brock Bauers at thirteen.

2231
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:29,640
Speaker 1: It's a copycat league. The trend is go get your

2232
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:30,040
Speaker 1: tight end.

2233
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 3: And the first question was who would I would who

2234
01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:35,280
Speaker 3: would I what would peak my interest in a trade up?

2235
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:37,519
Speaker 2: And those are the only kind of guys that are picking.

2236
01:39:37,560 --> 01:39:39,800
Speaker 2: I just who's the first one? One of those were

2237
01:39:39,880 --> 01:39:44,880
Speaker 2: three receivers, Tyson, Lemon, Tait or Steek. That's it. I

2238
01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:46,719
Speaker 2: don't You're not gonna get high enough.

2239
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:48,759
Speaker 1: For all four of those guys are probably going top twenty.

2240
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:49,200
Speaker 2: I get it.

2241
01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:51,479
Speaker 1: You tell me one of those receivers is around twenty two,

2242
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:53,080
Speaker 1: twenty three, twenty four. I might start to get a

2243
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:53,759
Speaker 1: little aggressive.

2244
01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:55,000
Speaker 2: I get it. I just don't.

2245
01:39:55,160 --> 01:39:56,960
Speaker 3: I don't think that the difference between the player you're

2246
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:58,759
Speaker 3: gonna get it in a draft like this, the difference

2247
01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:00,760
Speaker 3: between thirty one and twenty seve having a slim. Now,

2248
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:03,760
Speaker 3: if somebody says to you you're a player, someone's taking

2249
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:05,759
Speaker 3: your player right, then that's different.

2250
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:07,920
Speaker 2: That's the difference. I will I will add this to

2251
01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:08,439
Speaker 2: to it.

2252
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:11,680
Speaker 1: If those receivers are starting to fall, yeah, doesn't that

2253
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:13,479
Speaker 1: probably mean Denzel Boston's going to be there?

2254
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:13,760
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2255
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:15,280
Speaker 3: But I think those guys are are in a different

2256
01:40:15,320 --> 01:40:18,080
Speaker 3: tier than Denzel Boston. Fair enough, all right, let's get

2257
01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:19,760
Speaker 3: back to the phones and we have some email, more

2258
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:22,800
Speaker 3: emails too that are good emails as well. William is

2259
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:24,000
Speaker 3: in Philly. What's up, William?

2260
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:25,479
Speaker 1: Hey?

2261
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:26,360
Speaker 10: What's going on over?

2262
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:27,200
Speaker 9: How are you doing good?

2263
01:40:27,240 --> 01:40:29,240
Speaker 2: How are you all right?

2264
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:29,880
Speaker 6: Hey?

2265
01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:30,560
Speaker 4: I'll tell you so.

2266
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:35,479
Speaker 13: Hey, what a well?

2267
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:40,280
Speaker 9: The prop from the last time I called Evan and

2268
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:42,799
Speaker 9: I was saying I was a little harsh basically towards

2269
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:45,400
Speaker 9: Alien Wolf, but the jurors did out. As far as

2270
01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:49,000
Speaker 9: I'm concerned, it doesn't have so much to do with Bill.

2271
01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:52,080
Speaker 9: It was just the fact when he drafted by you

2272
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:54,080
Speaker 9: got Drake made. We had Jail and Pope, we had

2273
01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:57,599
Speaker 9: Shabon Baker tight end all those guards and whatnot. Nothing

2274
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:00,599
Speaker 9: pinned out but only Drake May. And I was wondering

2275
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:03,559
Speaker 9: about his his his weapons around. This is the pointing cast.

2276
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:06,599
Speaker 9: Like nothing out of that draft King, you know, other

2277
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:09,640
Speaker 9: than Drake May was was a hit base, you know

2278
01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:11,760
Speaker 9: what I mean. So this is why we where we're

2279
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:14,800
Speaker 9: at now, basically, you know what I mean. And also

2280
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:16,760
Speaker 9: having what he was talking about, I mean, Alex when

2281
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:20,040
Speaker 9: you're talking about what's his name, A J.

2282
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:20,439
Speaker 6: Brown?

2283
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:23,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, I went, I went and overdo it though, But

2284
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:26,880
Speaker 9: it's this You're playing a waiting game here, and you know,

2285
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:29,200
Speaker 9: what's what's the backup plan?

2286
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:29,800
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

2287
01:41:30,240 --> 01:41:32,280
Speaker 9: Somebody can come in, yes, and that's all true, and

2288
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:36,000
Speaker 9: and give a first and that's that. So what do

2289
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:38,400
Speaker 9: you do after that? You I mean, yeah, what do

2290
01:41:38,479 --> 01:41:38,720
Speaker 9: you go?

2291
01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:40,960
Speaker 2: That's the Eagles leverage? Have a backup.

2292
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:43,200
Speaker 3: Thanks for the call, William. We're we're on the same

2293
01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:47,479
Speaker 3: page now. Receiver, receiver receiver. They they need more playmakers now. Uh,

2294
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:49,639
Speaker 3: that's where they're at with AJ Brown. I think that's

2295
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:51,600
Speaker 3: a big reason why they just handed this contract with

2296
01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:53,719
Speaker 3: Romeo Dobbs is they did not want to be stuck

2297
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:57,280
Speaker 3: in a position in Romeo Dobbs is an AJ Brown's caliber, but.

2298
01:41:57,280 --> 01:41:59,559
Speaker 2: At least not not worse at wide receiver. Thy world, Yeah, it.

2299
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:03,439
Speaker 3: Might be you have you have a competitive receiver room,

2300
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:06,000
Speaker 3: you know now with with Romeo Dobbs involved.

2301
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:09,000
Speaker 2: Jack is in New Hampshire. What's up Jack?

2302
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:13,280
Speaker 6: Hey, guys, thanks for dating McCall. I just wanted to

2303
01:42:13,320 --> 01:42:16,719
Speaker 6: get your thoughts on a potential like cave On Thibodeau

2304
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:19,080
Speaker 6: or even Dre green Law since he just got released

2305
01:42:19,080 --> 01:42:22,280
Speaker 6: from the Broncos, and what you guys think about that.

2306
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:24,759
Speaker 6: And I know you were just talking about a potential

2307
01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:27,120
Speaker 6: fall for some of those top receivers and if you

2308
01:42:27,240 --> 01:42:28,840
Speaker 6: think they even have a shot at a guy like

2309
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:30,080
Speaker 6: Jordan Tyson if he falls.

2310
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:34,479
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, Yeah, thanks Jack. No, they're not gonna have

2311
01:42:34,479 --> 01:42:35,200
Speaker 2: a shot at Tyson.

2312
01:42:35,240 --> 01:42:35,800
Speaker 1: I like Caleb.

2313
01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:40,160
Speaker 3: It's an interesting one. I'm not against it. I would

2314
01:42:40,240 --> 01:42:42,679
Speaker 3: rather was Greenard with the Vikings.

2315
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:44,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd rather him, probably, but it might be it's

2316
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:45,640
Speaker 1: a trade.

2317
01:42:45,479 --> 01:42:49,400
Speaker 2: It costs more. I mean, it's gonna cost more for

2318
01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:51,360
Speaker 2: Jonathan green I like, I.

2319
01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:54,479
Speaker 1: Think there's untapped potential with Thibodeaux anyway. He plays the

2320
01:42:54,520 --> 01:42:59,400
Speaker 1: high motor, plays mean really athletic. I'd be I I

2321
01:42:59,479 --> 01:43:01,240
Speaker 1: really liked them in the draft. Maybe I'm letting that

2322
01:43:01,280 --> 01:43:02,479
Speaker 1: sku my opinion a little bit.

2323
01:43:02,439 --> 01:43:05,040
Speaker 2: Now, but I think that that there's something there as well.

2324
01:43:05,200 --> 01:43:08,479
Speaker 3: I think Greenard is a better player and you know,

2325
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:10,960
Speaker 3: a more approved, a little bit older.

2326
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:11,960
Speaker 2: I think it's like twenty eight.

2327
01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:14,439
Speaker 1: I want to say, we're already paying for potential instead

2328
01:43:14,439 --> 01:43:16,080
Speaker 1: of production, Like that's kind of what they've been doing

2329
01:43:16,120 --> 01:43:16,920
Speaker 1: the last couple of years.

2330
01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:19,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I'm not opposed to it. I mean, I

2331
01:43:19,960 --> 01:43:23,040
Speaker 3: I think they're they're an edge short right now. I'm

2332
01:43:23,120 --> 01:43:25,880
Speaker 3: all for, like, you know, edge can be a draft

2333
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:28,360
Speaker 3: thing like that. That's I'm okay with that. If that's

2334
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:31,080
Speaker 3: a position that they're really going to aggressively target in

2335
01:43:31,160 --> 01:43:34,160
Speaker 3: the draft, I think they probably should anyways, Like.

2336
01:43:34,439 --> 01:43:36,240
Speaker 1: You know, even if they added Thibodeau, we'd still be

2337
01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:36,800
Speaker 1: talking about edge.

2338
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:39,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think that you know, they are probably

2339
01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:43,680
Speaker 3: one more like NFL caliber ed Dresher away because we

2340
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:46,760
Speaker 3: just really don't know about Harold Andrew right now and

2341
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:49,440
Speaker 3: what his longevity is going to look like and his availability.

2342
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:52,680
Speaker 3: So without that now, I think it's probably on a

2343
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:55,679
Speaker 3: little bit of a lower tax bracket than a Thibodeau

2344
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:57,720
Speaker 3: would be, or a green Art would be, would probably be.

2345
01:43:58,120 --> 01:44:01,360
Speaker 1: You know, and I would be Ibikeetty.

2346
01:44:01,439 --> 01:44:05,599
Speaker 3: Ebikeetty, I already say his name. You know, those types

2347
01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:08,080
Speaker 3: of guys that are still kicking around are probably more

2348
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:09,880
Speaker 3: you know, kind of like what they did last year

2349
01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:11,560
Speaker 3: with Chase on right. We're gonna sign this guy to

2350
01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:14,680
Speaker 3: a one year deal. That's I think Ebikeetty was an

2351
01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:17,880
Speaker 3: early second round pick, not a pure first round guy,

2352
01:44:17,960 --> 01:44:20,479
Speaker 3: but a guy that has upside, it has talent, and

2353
01:44:20,640 --> 01:44:21,920
Speaker 3: we're going to just see if we can get it

2354
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:24,120
Speaker 3: out of him for a year now. That probably makes

2355
01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:25,800
Speaker 3: a little bit more sense than one of these big

2356
01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:29,080
Speaker 3: splash moves. But I feel all that Matt is in

2357
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:29,679
Speaker 3: New Hampshire.

2358
01:44:29,680 --> 01:44:30,120
Speaker 2: What's up Matt?

2359
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:33,120
Speaker 5: Hey, guys, can you hear me?

2360
01:44:33,479 --> 01:44:33,679
Speaker 2: Yes?

2361
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:36,639
Speaker 4: So quick question.

2362
01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:38,679
Speaker 11: I didn't hear you mentioned him when you were talking

2363
01:44:38,720 --> 01:44:40,960
Speaker 11: about pick thirty one earlier. I know we've been talking

2364
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:44,000
Speaker 11: about wide receivers a lot, but I am curious what

2365
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:48,200
Speaker 11: do you guys think of edge TJ. Parker at thirty one.

2366
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:50,839
Speaker 11: I know we're all talking about wide receiver and everything,

2367
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:53,360
Speaker 11: but in the event that that price does come down

2368
01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:55,800
Speaker 11: on AJ Brown and we give up like this year

2369
01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:57,840
Speaker 11: second and next year second and we still have this

2370
01:44:57,960 --> 01:45:00,760
Speaker 11: year's first, I think TJ. Parker would be a great fit.

2371
01:45:01,120 --> 01:45:04,240
Speaker 11: Seems like somebody Vrabel would like, somebody who can rehabilitate.

2372
01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:06,599
Speaker 11: I know he didn't play at all in twenty twenty four,

2373
01:45:06,760 --> 01:45:09,920
Speaker 11: but the previous season he had, he was looking like

2374
01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:11,640
Speaker 11: a top ten pick. So I'm just curious to hear

2375
01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:14,080
Speaker 11: you guys thoughts on that. Thanks again, Uh.

2376
01:45:14,120 --> 01:45:16,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call, Matt. I you know, I

2377
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:17,479
Speaker 2: when I first watched TJ.

2378
01:45:17,640 --> 01:45:20,479
Speaker 3: Parker, uh at Josher out of Clemson, it's definitely in

2379
01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:22,360
Speaker 3: this cluster like he's in this thirty one.

2380
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:25,960
Speaker 2: So you did playing twenty four? Who did? Yeah Parker?

2381
01:45:26,120 --> 01:45:28,839
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I love the college they didn't clear anyways.

2382
01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:32,080
Speaker 3: Uh, when I first watched him, I I thought he

2383
01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:34,320
Speaker 3: was a little bit stiffer than some of these other guys,

2384
01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:37,960
Speaker 3: like word, I think both gravitating, but mes you know,

2385
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:40,919
Speaker 3: just talking about me specifically. You know, guys like Mesador,

2386
01:45:41,080 --> 01:45:42,800
Speaker 3: guys like hash Is Howl that have a little bit

2387
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:45,280
Speaker 3: more bend, a little bit more exposiveness to him.

2388
01:45:45,400 --> 01:45:45,519
Speaker 1: You know.

2389
01:45:45,680 --> 01:45:45,920
Speaker 2: TJ.

2390
01:45:46,080 --> 01:45:49,599
Speaker 3: Parker is more, in my opinion, like a power oriented player,

2391
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:52,280
Speaker 3: a little bit more physical at the point of attack.

2392
01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:54,760
Speaker 3: Kind of wins with power, wins with bull rush, sets

2393
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:56,559
Speaker 3: the edge, like that sort of thing.

2394
01:45:57,040 --> 01:45:57,160
Speaker 5: Uh.

2395
01:45:57,280 --> 01:46:00,080
Speaker 3: But I don't I think that he's right there in

2396
01:46:00,200 --> 01:46:02,120
Speaker 3: this group, and if like that's the one that they picked,

2397
01:46:02,160 --> 01:46:05,760
Speaker 3: that wouldn't be like, you know, blown away, like it

2398
01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:07,840
Speaker 3: would make sense in that range of the draft. And

2399
01:46:08,160 --> 01:46:10,880
Speaker 3: you know, maybe if they see it or the league

2400
01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:12,680
Speaker 3: sees it the same way I do. You know, I

2401
01:46:12,760 --> 01:46:14,720
Speaker 3: think guys like Mesidor and Hall have a little bit

2402
01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:17,160
Speaker 3: more pass rush upside because they're a little bit looser,

2403
01:46:17,160 --> 01:46:19,400
Speaker 3: They're a little bit more fluid with their movements, which

2404
01:46:19,479 --> 01:46:21,840
Speaker 3: tends to lend itself a little bit more uh to

2405
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:25,120
Speaker 3: pass rush abilities. So maybe that's that the league looks

2406
01:46:25,160 --> 01:46:25,720
Speaker 3: at it that way.

2407
01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:26,400
Speaker 2: And TJ.

2408
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:28,840
Speaker 3: Parker is the one that's you know, when the musical

2409
01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:30,840
Speaker 3: chair stopped in the first round with this edge rusher

2410
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:33,280
Speaker 3: class that's so stacked, like maybe he's the one that's

2411
01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:35,280
Speaker 3: still on the board at thirty one instead of those

2412
01:46:35,320 --> 01:46:35,760
Speaker 3: other guys.

2413
01:46:35,960 --> 01:46:37,400
Speaker 2: What do you do you like Parker?

2414
01:46:37,720 --> 01:46:40,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of with you, Like I don't think

2415
01:46:40,160 --> 01:46:41,680
Speaker 1: he's at the top of my list for thirty one,

2416
01:46:41,720 --> 01:46:44,040
Speaker 1: but he's a solid player. He's one of these guys

2417
01:46:44,120 --> 01:46:47,080
Speaker 1: that what do you believe more that he's the player

2418
01:46:47,120 --> 01:46:48,920
Speaker 1: he was in twenty twenty four? Yeah, it was a

2419
01:46:49,200 --> 01:46:52,120
Speaker 1: unquestionable first round pick or you know, and then he

2420
01:46:52,160 --> 01:46:53,640
Speaker 1: took a step back in twenty five? Was that just

2421
01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:55,559
Speaker 1: because Clemson took a step back and he got dragged

2422
01:46:55,560 --> 01:46:56,280
Speaker 1: down by the program?

2423
01:46:56,439 --> 01:46:57,840
Speaker 2: Or was twenty four and anomaly? Yea?

2424
01:46:57,880 --> 01:47:00,200
Speaker 1: And he maybe punched above his weight. So I really

2425
01:47:00,280 --> 01:47:01,760
Speaker 1: liked what he did in twenty four. I think he

2426
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:04,000
Speaker 1: got dragged down by the Clemson program a little bit.

2427
01:47:04,280 --> 01:47:06,720
Speaker 1: So That's where I'm at. So yeah, I mean he'd

2428
01:47:07,320 --> 01:47:07,720
Speaker 1: be legit.

2429
01:47:07,800 --> 01:47:10,720
Speaker 2: Ad you hate that Clemson program. They were not good

2430
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:12,960
Speaker 2: last year. You just hate it. No, No, it's just

2431
01:47:13,080 --> 01:47:14,720
Speaker 2: personal for you. You don't I do.

2432
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:15,519
Speaker 6: It is true.

2433
01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:17,160
Speaker 2: I do not like Clem, but I like you Clemson

2434
01:47:17,200 --> 01:47:19,960
Speaker 2: guys in the draft and then went seven and six.

2435
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:22,360
Speaker 2: You know, you hate Davos Sweeney though, just admit it.

2436
01:47:22,439 --> 01:47:22,840
Speaker 2: It's okay.

2437
01:47:23,160 --> 01:47:25,599
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of Clemson, not one of the teams.

2438
01:47:25,640 --> 01:47:27,000
Speaker 2: I generally said, that's.

2439
01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:29,560
Speaker 3: Such a diplomatic way of saying, you really don't like

2440
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:31,400
Speaker 3: but they were not good last year.

2441
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:34,120
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough. A couple of the same thing happened

2442
01:47:34,120 --> 01:47:36,320
Speaker 2: with the Penn State guys, that's true.

2443
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:39,680
Speaker 3: Uh, a couple more emails here and then we can

2444
01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:42,720
Speaker 3: wrap it up maybe with you know, a couple more

2445
01:47:42,760 --> 01:47:45,439
Speaker 3: things on free agency. But uh, there's you know, some

2446
01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:48,840
Speaker 3: people that mentioned Chris Alave's name. I know that name

2447
01:47:48,840 --> 01:47:50,800
Speaker 3: has been kicking around. I think Romeo Dobbs and him

2448
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:52,559
Speaker 3: are a little bit redundant at this point.

2449
01:47:52,840 --> 01:47:53,800
Speaker 2: I would have liked Chris A.

2450
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:57,360
Speaker 3: Lave though, Like I thought that that was a viable suggestion,

2451
01:47:57,640 --> 01:47:59,320
Speaker 3: you know, and I know New Orleans is kind of

2452
01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:01,840
Speaker 3: in this second year with a new head coach and

2453
01:48:02,520 --> 01:48:05,439
Speaker 3: sort of trying to change the complexion of the thing

2454
01:48:06,280 --> 01:48:08,840
Speaker 3: down there. You know, this emailer sends out, you know,

2455
01:48:08,920 --> 01:48:13,960
Speaker 3: Chris Alave, Brian Thomas Junior, Jordan Addison. Jordan Addison like

2456
01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:16,200
Speaker 3: always seems to get his name involved in these things

2457
01:48:16,280 --> 01:48:19,840
Speaker 3: because he's the other guy to Justin Jefferson in Minnesota.

2458
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:23,439
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's any there's any real credence

2459
01:48:23,479 --> 01:48:25,080
Speaker 3: to that. It just always seems to happen.

2460
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:28,080
Speaker 2: At this point. I'm not sure if.

2461
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:30,960
Speaker 3: Those guys are really are really it Like, I would

2462
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:35,400
Speaker 3: have really liked the Lave before the Romeo Dobbs signing,

2463
01:48:35,479 --> 01:48:37,240
Speaker 3: but now I feel like they kind of don't need

2464
01:48:37,320 --> 01:48:38,000
Speaker 3: that type of player.

2465
01:48:38,120 --> 01:48:42,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, some Oscar delt fans. Yeah.

2466
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:42,880
Speaker 11: In there.

2467
01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:45,920
Speaker 2: Here's a question from Craig in Vegas.

2468
01:48:46,280 --> 01:48:49,120
Speaker 3: A couple of different like kind of scenarios here looking

2469
01:48:49,160 --> 01:48:51,200
Speaker 3: at the people we signed, especially with Dobbs, do you

2470
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:54,400
Speaker 3: think Casey Concepcion is now completely out and are we

2471
01:48:54,479 --> 01:48:58,000
Speaker 3: looking for more of Denzel Boston type at thirty one?

2472
01:48:58,479 --> 01:48:59,479
Speaker 2: I personally do I have.

2473
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:02,880
Speaker 3: That's not inside information at whatsoever, but I think we're

2474
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:04,920
Speaker 3: kind of, you know, they kind of filled the Z

2475
01:49:05,120 --> 01:49:08,280
Speaker 3: slot role in my opinion with Romeo Dobbs. I think

2476
01:49:08,360 --> 01:49:10,640
Speaker 3: that's the role he's going to play, and they just

2477
01:49:10,720 --> 01:49:13,720
Speaker 3: gave him a decent amount of money to do it.

2478
01:49:14,160 --> 01:49:16,240
Speaker 3: So I think that that's kind of tied up there

2479
01:49:16,680 --> 01:49:20,120
Speaker 3: right now. In Romeo Dobbs, to me, they need an

2480
01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:22,240
Speaker 3: outside guy for Drake May. And I know that people

2481
01:49:22,360 --> 01:49:25,920
Speaker 3: like Keyshawan Boody mac Collins did a decent job with

2482
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:28,560
Speaker 3: the opportunities that he got playing that role. But a

2483
01:49:28,760 --> 01:49:32,880
Speaker 3: true bona fide like field stretching X receiver that Drake

2484
01:49:32,920 --> 01:49:35,160
Speaker 3: May can throw deep bombs to all the time, that

2485
01:49:35,439 --> 01:49:37,040
Speaker 3: that's the guy that I'm looking for. I don't know

2486
01:49:37,040 --> 01:49:39,320
Speaker 3: if that's Denzel Boston, but I don't think that that's

2487
01:49:39,439 --> 01:49:41,639
Speaker 3: like Omar Cooper Junior or Casey conception.

2488
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:44,519
Speaker 1: I also don't think Casey's going to be there for them,

2489
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:46,439
Speaker 1: But yeah, I know we're looking at the big outside

2490
01:49:46,479 --> 01:49:47,120
Speaker 1: guys at this point.

2491
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:52,559
Speaker 2: Yep agreed on Max Crosby. Let's just it's just us.

2492
01:49:52,920 --> 01:49:55,080
Speaker 2: Not do we think the Patriots would do anything with

2493
01:49:55,200 --> 01:49:56,800
Speaker 2: Max Crosby, Because I think the answer to that is

2494
01:49:56,840 --> 01:50:01,439
Speaker 2: probably no. Yeah, but just us. Would you re engage

2495
01:50:01,479 --> 01:50:03,040
Speaker 2: with the Raiders on Max Crosby?

2496
01:50:03,560 --> 01:50:03,680
Speaker 5: Uh?

2497
01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:07,000
Speaker 3: He throws out a first and a third to the

2498
01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:08,840
Speaker 3: Raiders because it's a little bit lower than you know,

2499
01:50:08,920 --> 01:50:09,800
Speaker 3: what they would have gotten.

2500
01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:13,400
Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor. I'd have to see the medicals.

2501
01:50:13,439 --> 01:50:15,599
Speaker 1: I don't know, like how how bad is his knee?

2502
01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:17,280
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not.

2503
01:50:17,439 --> 01:50:20,160
Speaker 3: Giving just assume that that the knee would pass, they

2504
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:24,240
Speaker 3: pass or is it like that It's like the Randy

2505
01:50:24,280 --> 01:50:26,240
Speaker 3: Moss thing, like he's fine, if he's fine.

2506
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:27,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would do that.

2507
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:30,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would do that. I think I would probably

2508
01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:33,040
Speaker 2: do it too. But they're not going to No, I

2509
01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:33,519
Speaker 2: don't think.

2510
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:33,920
Speaker 1: Uh.

2511
01:50:34,160 --> 01:50:37,720
Speaker 3: This is a question from Uh Linda and Georgia UH

2512
01:50:38,640 --> 01:50:42,120
Speaker 3: asks if we know if Elijah Vera Tucker's games were

2513
01:50:42,360 --> 01:50:44,120
Speaker 3: injuries happened in home games?

2514
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:47,560
Speaker 2: This is an interesting question, Linda. Now only one of

2515
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:48,960
Speaker 2: them is his lower body.

2516
01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:51,920
Speaker 3: So I'm right, should you take out For those people

2517
01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:55,120
Speaker 3: that don't know, I should probably explain the MetLife Stadium turf,

2518
01:50:55,200 --> 01:50:57,920
Speaker 3: where the Jets obviously played their home games, is notoriously

2519
01:50:58,479 --> 01:50:59,639
Speaker 3: awful playing service.

2520
01:51:00,120 --> 01:51:05,080
Speaker 2: Oh that has claimed many injuries. I don't know. I

2521
01:51:05,120 --> 01:51:07,320
Speaker 2: want to say twenty three. Yeah, I want to say

2522
01:51:07,320 --> 01:51:09,360
Speaker 2: twenty three. I don't know.

2523
01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:12,840
Speaker 3: But his other question, his other injuries have been upper

2524
01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:16,760
Speaker 3: body like torn trisaps, pecs like things like and that

2525
01:51:16,920 --> 01:51:17,439
Speaker 3: was at.

2526
01:51:17,439 --> 01:51:19,800
Speaker 1: Denver So and that's a I think I'm considered a

2527
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:22,559
Speaker 1: pretty good surface. Yeah, Mike Evan's going to play by

2528
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:23,080
Speaker 1: the substation.

2529
01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, not good.

2530
01:51:24,200 --> 01:51:26,320
Speaker 3: Not good for Mike no, that's a good signing. It

2531
01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:29,479
Speaker 3: kind of reminds me it's not quite I don't think

2532
01:51:29,479 --> 01:51:33,679
Speaker 3: he's quite as uh as good anymore as like DeVante

2533
01:51:33,680 --> 01:51:35,480
Speaker 3: Adams is for DeVante Adams.

2534
01:51:35,160 --> 01:51:37,680
Speaker 2: But like it kind of reminds him that, yeah, you

2535
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:37,920
Speaker 2: know that.

2536
01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:41,400
Speaker 3: I think those offenses they're so system based and getting

2537
01:51:41,479 --> 01:51:45,599
Speaker 3: catch and run and blocking receivers guys like Pukakua, Cooper

2538
01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:48,040
Speaker 3: Cup like players like that. But then they kind of

2539
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:50,519
Speaker 3: got into this world where like they needed a man beater,

2540
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:52,560
Speaker 3: like he just needed somebody that could get open and

2541
01:51:52,920 --> 01:51:55,040
Speaker 3: make tough catches against man coverage.

2542
01:51:55,080 --> 01:51:55,760
Speaker 13: And uh, the.

2543
01:51:57,240 --> 01:51:59,800
Speaker 3: The Rams went out and signed DeVante Adams and and

2544
01:52:00,200 --> 01:52:02,000
Speaker 3: that happened, and I think the forty nine ers kind

2545
01:52:02,040 --> 01:52:04,880
Speaker 3: of saw that and were like, we need our DeVante Adams.

2546
01:52:04,920 --> 01:52:05,519
Speaker 2: And that's my gut.

2547
01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:07,439
Speaker 1: I will say, though I saw a graphic. I don't

2548
01:52:07,439 --> 01:52:09,360
Speaker 1: know if he's officially gotten his number yet where they

2549
01:52:09,360 --> 01:52:10,360
Speaker 1: had him wearing number four.

2550
01:52:10,680 --> 01:52:11,679
Speaker 2: The aesthetics terrible.

2551
01:52:11,720 --> 01:52:13,639
Speaker 1: If he's wearing a single digit number in San Francisco,

2552
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:16,559
Speaker 1: it's going to be a bust. I get he's thirteen's taken.

2553
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:17,720
Speaker 1: I get that, but you got to get him a

2554
01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:18,400
Speaker 1: real number.

2555
01:52:18,320 --> 01:52:21,920
Speaker 3: Okay, what number is Romeo Dob's wearing. It's a good

2556
01:52:22,080 --> 01:52:25,719
Speaker 3: question because I I don't know it. It's been in question.

2557
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:27,880
Speaker 2: Eighty seven has been in circulation before.

2558
01:52:28,040 --> 01:52:31,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, but not as in a game. Trey Nixon was

2559
01:52:31,080 --> 01:52:33,519
Speaker 3: wearing it right, right, but he's playing which tight end?

2560
01:52:33,600 --> 01:52:34,200
Speaker 2: Was it so cool?

2561
01:52:34,280 --> 01:52:37,120
Speaker 3: Lacosts one of those titles, one of those tight ends

2562
01:52:37,160 --> 01:52:38,479
Speaker 3: wore eighty seven at one point.

2563
01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:40,800
Speaker 2: I would say, though that.

2564
01:52:41,760 --> 01:52:44,559
Speaker 1: Not that it was ever like I miss wide receivers

2565
01:52:44,560 --> 01:52:46,160
Speaker 1: wearing numbers in the eighties. I'd be all for him

2566
01:52:46,240 --> 01:52:47,040
Speaker 1: keeping number in the eighty.

2567
01:52:48,720 --> 01:52:51,400
Speaker 3: It's not that the the uh, that it was ever

2568
01:52:51,680 --> 01:52:55,560
Speaker 3: terrible relationship between the Patriots organization and Rob Gronkowski, but

2569
01:52:55,720 --> 01:52:59,000
Speaker 3: in recent years that relationship has definitely.

2570
01:53:00,200 --> 01:53:00,960
Speaker 2: Tremendous nice.

2571
01:53:01,479 --> 01:53:05,480
Speaker 3: And so now that Rob Gromkowski had his retirement ceremony

2572
01:53:05,880 --> 01:53:10,479
Speaker 3: as a Patriot here last year, he lives locally, he's

2573
01:53:10,680 --> 01:53:14,519
Speaker 3: in the community a lot. He's more patriot than he's

2574
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:18,160
Speaker 3: ever been post playing career. I would say, I think

2575
01:53:18,240 --> 01:53:21,160
Speaker 3: maybe it's a different story now at eighty seven.

2576
01:53:21,320 --> 01:53:24,600
Speaker 1: So he wore he wore four in high school, so

2577
01:53:24,680 --> 01:53:27,120
Speaker 1: maybe he goes back to it's available. He wore seven

2578
01:53:27,200 --> 01:53:29,120
Speaker 1: in college. That is Carlton Davis.

2579
01:53:29,360 --> 01:53:32,200
Speaker 2: Yes, four might be available.

2580
01:53:32,200 --> 01:53:33,400
Speaker 1: Don't want him taking seventeen.

2581
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:36,360
Speaker 2: No, we got to tell him about that. We do

2582
01:53:36,479 --> 01:53:38,160
Speaker 2: need to tell him if I see him tomorrow. I'm

2583
01:53:38,160 --> 01:53:38,920
Speaker 2: gonna be like Romeo.

2584
01:53:39,120 --> 01:53:40,720
Speaker 1: None of the open numbers right now.

2585
01:53:40,840 --> 01:53:42,200
Speaker 2: I think four is a good one. That's his high

2586
01:53:42,200 --> 01:53:43,960
Speaker 2: school number. He said four would be a good one,

2587
01:53:44,120 --> 01:53:46,799
Speaker 2: and at least one of his I just was Antonio Gibson,

2588
01:53:46,800 --> 01:53:48,160
Speaker 2: who is no longer on the team.

2589
01:53:48,200 --> 01:53:50,719
Speaker 1: I just looked up Romeo Dobbs high school and there's

2590
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:52,360
Speaker 1: a I don't know if this was like his whole

2591
01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:54,360
Speaker 1: career in high school, but there's pictures of him wearing four.

2592
01:53:55,080 --> 01:53:58,800
Speaker 1: So okay, four, I want to Nobody wears numbers in

2593
01:53:58,800 --> 01:54:00,880
Speaker 1: the eighties anymore. Miss Wider's were numbers in the Yeah,

2594
01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:05,559
Speaker 1: I mean an eighties number, and it's tough, bro Like, okay,

2595
01:54:06,200 --> 01:54:08,800
Speaker 1: I know guys don't like it. I especially certain numbers

2596
01:54:08,840 --> 01:54:12,320
Speaker 1: eighty eighty one, eighty five, eighty eight, like those still hit.

2597
01:54:12,439 --> 01:54:14,760
Speaker 1: I know people say doesn't have like or or whatever.

2598
01:54:14,920 --> 01:54:18,320
Speaker 1: But what is available in the eighties right now? Eighty

2599
01:54:18,439 --> 01:54:23,439
Speaker 1: eighty one, eighty three, eighty four, eighty seven, eighty eight.

2600
01:54:26,160 --> 01:54:29,240
Speaker 1: See him an eighty eighty slot wide receiver were in

2601
01:54:29,320 --> 01:54:30,120
Speaker 1: eighty for the Patriots?

2602
01:54:30,160 --> 01:54:30,519
Speaker 2: That works?

2603
01:54:30,600 --> 01:54:31,960
Speaker 1: Or eighty three the Welcher number.

2604
01:54:32,200 --> 01:54:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would play, okay, but not at any seven.

2605
01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:35,440
Speaker 2: Not any seven.

2606
01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:37,560
Speaker 3: I don't know if we need to retire eighty seven,

2607
01:54:37,640 --> 01:54:40,200
Speaker 3: but it needs to be real hired like Andre tippers

2608
01:54:40,360 --> 01:54:41,040
Speaker 3: Soft retire.

2609
01:54:41,200 --> 01:54:44,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I could play though. Here's the better question. Okay,

2610
01:54:44,480 --> 01:54:47,520
Speaker 1: what number is Reggie Gilliam gonna wear? The first two

2611
01:54:47,600 --> 01:54:49,520
Speaker 1: guys the Patriots signed both wore forty one.

2612
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:51,520
Speaker 2: Last year, which is obviously taken. Yeah. I do kind

2613
01:54:51,560 --> 01:54:53,480
Speaker 2: of like a low forty number for a full back.

2614
01:54:53,560 --> 01:54:55,720
Speaker 2: Forty four. Yeah, it's a good it's a good fold.

2615
01:54:55,840 --> 01:54:57,360
Speaker 1: I don't believe that's taken right now.

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01:54:57,400 --> 01:54:57,680
Speaker 6: It is not.

2617
01:54:58,280 --> 01:55:00,440
Speaker 3: Here's a one more question. We got one called then

2618
01:55:00,480 --> 01:55:03,080
Speaker 3: we got to wrap it up. Uh, Anthony, Oh no.

2619
01:55:03,120 --> 01:55:06,720
Speaker 3: It was chased on emails in and says, if the

2620
01:55:06,800 --> 01:55:10,120
Speaker 3: Patriots do trade for a J Brown or drafting their

2621
01:55:10,160 --> 01:55:13,120
Speaker 3: wide receiver, who is currently.

2622
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:15,960
Speaker 2: The odd man out on the roster. It's a good question. Uh,

2623
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:17,600
Speaker 2: there would be too many, right, you know?

2624
01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:22,480
Speaker 3: So you have Dobbs, Matt Collins, Kyle Williams, Kishon Boody

2625
01:55:22,560 --> 01:55:25,240
Speaker 3: Tomorrow Douglass ef chism right now. Yeah, So if you

2626
01:55:25,320 --> 01:55:28,640
Speaker 3: add another in the draft or uh via trade, and

2627
01:55:28,680 --> 01:55:29,880
Speaker 3: I think that that's all they would do.

2628
01:55:29,920 --> 01:55:32,560
Speaker 2: I don't think you're adding two more no, I mean,

2629
01:55:32,720 --> 01:55:33,520
Speaker 2: like obviously.

2630
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:36,840
Speaker 3: An underven rookie whatever, Yeah, but another guy that's gonna

2631
01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:39,320
Speaker 3: take up a roster's boy, you're at seven sevens too many.

2632
01:55:39,640 --> 01:55:41,920
Speaker 3: A lot of teams carry six now, so six is doable.

2633
01:55:42,120 --> 01:55:43,720
Speaker 3: But somebody's got to be the odd man out. I

2634
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:46,560
Speaker 3: think if you're looking purely at who would be the

2635
01:55:46,640 --> 01:55:49,000
Speaker 3: odd man out because of just fit and all that,

2636
01:55:49,360 --> 01:55:52,960
Speaker 3: it's probably Pop Douglas. I would think, just in terms

2637
01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:56,640
Speaker 3: of usage last year fit with Drake may that sort

2638
01:55:56,680 --> 01:56:00,360
Speaker 3: of thing. But if they were to acquire let's say

2639
01:56:00,400 --> 01:56:03,760
Speaker 3: it's a J Brown, like that's kind of Kishon Boody's

2640
01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:04,600
Speaker 3: role right like that.

2641
01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:08,440
Speaker 1: I also, you know, a lot of the reporting has

2642
01:56:08,440 --> 01:56:11,280
Speaker 1: been the Eagles want to play her back, so that would.

2643
01:56:11,320 --> 01:56:14,120
Speaker 2: Keep bringing that up and a lot of no inside information, but.

2644
01:56:14,600 --> 01:56:16,080
Speaker 1: No, it would make a lot of sense that Kaishan

2645
01:56:16,120 --> 01:56:18,200
Speaker 1: Boody goes back to Philly and then yeah, yeah, like

2646
01:56:18,320 --> 01:56:21,879
Speaker 1: it's a it's a functional X receiver for the Eagles

2647
01:56:22,160 --> 01:56:26,160
Speaker 1: to replace a j. Brown rather have a third round

2648
01:56:26,160 --> 01:56:28,080
Speaker 1: picker kash On Body. I would rather have Kashan, but

2649
01:56:28,240 --> 01:56:29,760
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. If it's safe the pick and

2650
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:31,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to move on from a receiver anyway.

2651
01:56:31,600 --> 01:56:33,680
Speaker 3: I don't know if Howie Rosmond would though Howy Resmond

2652
01:56:33,720 --> 01:56:36,920
Speaker 3: loves his picks, but I personally think I would because

2653
01:56:37,280 --> 01:56:40,360
Speaker 3: that gives you a viable player to play in twenty

2654
01:56:40,440 --> 01:56:41,880
Speaker 3: twenty six for the Philadelphia Eagle.

2655
01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:43,600
Speaker 1: Right, And if you're doing it after the draft, you're

2656
01:56:43,600 --> 01:56:45,640
Speaker 1: not gonna have a chance to replace right Brown.

2657
01:56:45,720 --> 01:56:48,839
Speaker 3: So all right, last call here. James is in North Carolina.

2658
01:56:48,920 --> 01:56:49,560
Speaker 2: What's up? James?

2659
01:56:51,920 --> 01:56:53,440
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, how you doing good?

2660
01:56:54,960 --> 01:56:55,320
Speaker 13: All right?

2661
01:56:55,360 --> 01:56:56,640
Speaker 4: I just wanted to make sure you could hear me.

2662
01:56:57,680 --> 01:57:03,240
Speaker 4: So I don't think enough it's being said about movement

2663
01:57:03,400 --> 01:57:07,640
Speaker 4: in the draft up or down. You don't want to

2664
01:57:07,680 --> 01:57:10,240
Speaker 4: take Brazls at thirty one, you don't think you don't

2665
01:57:10,280 --> 01:57:11,880
Speaker 4: think he'll be there at sixty three.

2666
01:57:13,480 --> 01:57:14,640
Speaker 8: Where do you think.

2667
01:57:16,080 --> 01:57:20,000
Speaker 4: Is a sweet spot to try and move to grab

2668
01:57:20,120 --> 01:57:25,960
Speaker 4: them before the next person that might want them? And

2669
01:57:26,320 --> 01:57:30,760
Speaker 4: is there anybody worth actually moving up for the spot

2670
01:57:30,880 --> 01:57:33,240
Speaker 4: that we're trying to fill and I'll take it off

2671
01:57:33,280 --> 01:57:33,560
Speaker 4: the air.

2672
01:57:33,920 --> 01:57:38,720
Speaker 3: Okay, thanks James, Right, we just ended up move up thing. Yeah,

2673
01:57:38,960 --> 01:57:41,320
Speaker 3: the move back thing is also in play. Like I

2674
01:57:41,400 --> 01:57:44,720
Speaker 3: know who people hate when they do that, but we're talking.

2675
01:57:44,560 --> 01:57:45,600
Speaker 2: It makes sense to do it this year.

2676
01:57:45,720 --> 01:57:49,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're talking about guys like brasl maybe an

2677
01:57:49,240 --> 01:57:51,560
Speaker 3: edge rusher. That's kind of you know, I think you're

2678
01:57:51,600 --> 01:57:53,960
Speaker 3: looking at whatever way you want to call let's call

2679
01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:55,520
Speaker 3: it tier two just for the sake of the argument.

2680
01:57:55,720 --> 01:57:59,160
Speaker 3: If you're looking at edgeresher and you're kind of stuck

2681
01:57:59,360 --> 01:58:02,000
Speaker 3: between tiers two and tier three of the edgeresher runs

2682
01:58:03,120 --> 01:58:05,680
Speaker 3: tackle like if that's you know, an area that you

2683
01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:08,520
Speaker 3: want to address early, it does feel like it could

2684
01:58:08,560 --> 01:58:10,280
Speaker 3: be like a sneaky year for that, Like if you

2685
01:58:10,360 --> 01:58:13,120
Speaker 3: are able to And I know this drives people nuts,

2686
01:58:13,160 --> 01:58:16,160
Speaker 3: so I apologize, but this is this show. If you

2687
01:58:16,240 --> 01:58:20,040
Speaker 3: were able to take go from thirty one to let's

2688
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:24,000
Speaker 3: say forty, right, and then you get extra capital back

2689
01:58:24,080 --> 01:58:26,960
Speaker 3: for that in subcapacity, and then you take a guy

2690
01:58:27,040 --> 01:58:29,360
Speaker 3: like Chris Brasel at forty instead of taking him at

2691
01:58:29,400 --> 01:58:31,280
Speaker 3: thirty one, that makes a lot of sense in a

2692
01:58:31,360 --> 01:58:31,840
Speaker 3: class like this.

2693
01:58:32,080 --> 01:58:39,000
Speaker 1: So looking at the top half of the second round Jets, Cardinals, Titans, Raiders, Giants, Texans, Chiefs,

2694
01:58:39,560 --> 01:58:42,920
Speaker 1: Texas Browns. Chiefs gets you to forty, right, So you

2695
01:58:43,000 --> 01:58:44,200
Speaker 1: know how many of those teams are going to be

2696
01:58:44,240 --> 01:58:45,720
Speaker 1: in the market for a guy like Chris Brasel A

2697
01:58:45,720 --> 01:58:50,680
Speaker 1: couple of them? Who's Tennessee's ex ert tennesseeo X.

2698
01:58:53,120 --> 01:58:55,120
Speaker 2: I don't know off the top of my head. You know,

2699
01:58:55,240 --> 01:58:57,840
Speaker 2: Chamari DK's you know, like a slot.

2700
01:58:58,120 --> 01:59:01,080
Speaker 1: Tennessee could be one. Becas's dog Kevin.

2701
01:59:00,920 --> 01:59:03,480
Speaker 3: Billy is still there technically right, Yeah, yeah, But I

2702
01:59:03,560 --> 01:59:05,960
Speaker 3: mean so you know, maybe the Jets, I don't think

2703
01:59:05,960 --> 01:59:07,280
Speaker 3: they're gonna wide receiver that high.

2704
01:59:08,440 --> 01:59:10,960
Speaker 1: The Cardinals probably aren't in that market. The Raiders have

2705
01:59:11,120 --> 01:59:14,080
Speaker 1: Dante Thornton already, have you know this kind of player? Yeah,

2706
01:59:14,320 --> 01:59:18,760
Speaker 1: the Giants maybe, depending on where the leak neighbors is at. Yeah,

2707
01:59:18,800 --> 01:59:20,760
Speaker 1: but are you gonna see that much better you're gonna

2708
01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:22,400
Speaker 1: use the thirty sixth pick on them?

2709
01:59:22,480 --> 01:59:22,880
Speaker 2: Probably not?

2710
01:59:23,080 --> 01:59:26,600
Speaker 1: But you know, the Giants maybe, depending on where Neighbors

2711
01:59:26,680 --> 01:59:30,560
Speaker 1: is at. The Texans probably not. They're pretty good wide receiver.

2712
01:59:30,680 --> 01:59:33,920
Speaker 1: The Browns maybe, So I don't know, maybe Tennessee's the

2713
01:59:33,960 --> 01:59:35,880
Speaker 1: team you swap with. You go from thirty one to

2714
01:59:36,080 --> 01:59:39,880
Speaker 1: thirty five, and that probably earns you a third or

2715
01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:40,680
Speaker 1: fourth round pick.

2716
01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:44,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like Cleveland makes sense just because you know they

2717
01:59:44,240 --> 01:59:45,720
Speaker 2: need everything. They need everything.

2718
01:59:45,800 --> 01:59:49,800
Speaker 3: They need receivers definitely, Yeah, And are they going receiver

2719
01:59:49,920 --> 01:59:50,720
Speaker 3: in the first round.

2720
01:59:51,400 --> 01:59:52,560
Speaker 2: If they don't, then they might.

2721
01:59:52,600 --> 01:59:57,440
Speaker 1: Be have Aomnor. Yeah, they're so they're wide receivers right now?

2722
01:59:57,480 --> 02:00:01,680
Speaker 1: Are Aoman or Van Jefferson, Calvin Ridley, James Proche They

2723
02:00:01,720 --> 02:00:04,600
Speaker 1: added Wandale Robinson, right, Samari d Kay.

2724
02:00:05,600 --> 02:00:09,040
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I'm not moved by that room though, Like

2725
02:00:09,120 --> 02:00:11,520
Speaker 3: if you're trying to really make cam Ward happen and

2726
02:00:11,720 --> 02:00:12,840
Speaker 3: like really load that up.

2727
02:00:13,360 --> 02:00:16,320
Speaker 2: All right, so maybe maybe you trade with the Titans.

2728
02:00:16,360 --> 02:00:19,160
Speaker 3: You let them go up in Browns always doing dumb stuff.

2729
02:00:19,360 --> 02:00:23,560
Speaker 3: So all right, that's gonna do it for today's show.

2730
02:00:23,720 --> 02:00:24,440
Speaker 3: A good episode.

2731
02:00:24,720 --> 02:00:26,360
Speaker 2: Have two first round picks, so they're probably not trading

2732
02:00:26,400 --> 02:00:27,520
Speaker 2: up in the first Oh that's true.

2733
02:00:27,600 --> 02:00:31,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, good episode. Free agency draft, that's right in our wheelhouse.

2734
02:00:32,760 --> 02:00:37,280
Speaker 3: We will be back next week, same time, same place. Really,

2735
02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:39,360
Speaker 3: at that point we'll probably have the fallout of all

2736
02:00:39,480 --> 02:00:42,000
Speaker 3: this free agency stuff and can really start to reset

2737
02:00:42,080 --> 02:00:43,360
Speaker 3: the board in terms of the draft.

2738
02:00:43,680 --> 02:00:44,480
Speaker 2: And look ahead to that.

2739
02:00:45,520 --> 02:00:49,000
Speaker 3: Like I said, we'll have one o'clock ish tomorrow, we'll

2740
02:00:49,040 --> 02:00:52,800
Speaker 3: have some free agency introductions from the Patriots. We're expecting

2741
02:00:52,840 --> 02:00:56,360
Speaker 3: to hear from Elliott Wolf. Patriots Unfiltered will be at

2742
02:00:56,440 --> 02:00:59,840
Speaker 3: noon tomorrow as well during all that chaos, so that'll

2743
02:00:59,880 --> 02:01:02,080
Speaker 3: be fun. So we'll definitely have you covered on that.

2744
02:01:02,480 --> 02:01:05,120
Speaker 3: Both Alex and I will have you covered tomorrow too

2745
02:01:05,520 --> 02:01:09,440
Speaker 3: for that introduction, but for Catch twenty two, I'll be

2746
02:01:09,560 --> 02:01:11,480
Speaker 3: back next Wednesday at noon.

2747
02:01:11,560 --> 02:01:14,560
Speaker 2: We'll see you guys then. Thanks for watching, Bye bye.

2748
02:01:17,600 --> 02:01:19,800
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2749
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:21,440
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02:01:21,600 --> 02:01:24,000
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02:01:26,520 --> 02:01:28,720
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2753
02:01:28,800 --> 02:01:30,880
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2754
02:01:30,880 --> 02:01:31,120
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