1 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to what Future. I'm your host, Joshua 2 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: to Pulsky. Nothing's on my mind. My mind is absolutely 3 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: vacant at this point. I'm so drained of ideas, I'm 4 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: so drained of inspiration. Right now, I'm a husk. I'm 5 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: a shell of a person. Like I'm walking around. It 6 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: looks like a person. I'm talking, I'm doing things, and 7 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: yet inside there's just nothing. It's empty, It's hollow in here, 8 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: and I'm just very tired. You know, it's the end 9 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: of January. I try to do dry January. I failed 10 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: Dry January became wet January, and I have to say 11 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: it makes me a lot happier to drink. And you know, 12 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: maybe that is a bad sign. Maybe that's maybe that 13 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: means there's something wrong with me. But there's something wrong 14 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: with everybody. I mean, it's not just me. It's all 15 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: people have a problem, and some people fill that problem 16 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: up with vodka, and some people, you know, I don't 17 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: know what other people do, because I'm I'm not going 18 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: to make assumptions about humanity or not. Maybe I'll make 19 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: assumptions about humanity, just not individual people that make up humanity. Anyhow, 20 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: this has nothing to do with the fantastic guests that 21 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: we have on the show today, who hopefully, if he 22 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: is not already a household name, he should become a 23 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: household name. Of course I'm talking about and you don't 24 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: know what I say, of course, like you know who 25 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: exactly who I'm talking about, but it could be literally anybody. 26 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: But I'm talking about fascinating and hilarious man named Dallas 27 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: gold Tooth. You may have seen his work on the 28 00:01:49,760 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: show Reservation Dogs. And he's here with me now. So 29 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say a few things about you. You're an actor, 30 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: is that true? I am in some In some circles, 31 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: they would say yes, a writer, is that correct? Yes, 32 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: that is correct, an activist, an organizer? True or false? 33 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: I would say true? Okay, co founder of comedy group. Yes, okay, 34 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: Wow that was intense. I felt that. Hold on, But 35 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: now before we get into all the interesting stuff. How 36 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: much sleep did you get last night? How many hours 37 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: did you got? I got two and a half hours 38 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: of sleep? Yes? Why why would you only sleep for 39 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: three hours? Because I I am horrible at time management, 40 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: I've always been, and I'm a procrastinator and I am 41 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: working on a draft for season three of Reservation Dogs, 42 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:58,679 Speaker 1: which I'm a writer on, and so I have to 43 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: work on a draft, had to turn an outline for 44 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: another show that I'm pitching with the buddy of mine 45 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: and we're trying to get into development. And in between 46 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: those two projects which I needed to get done, I 47 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: decided to play some video games. And you know a 48 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: good procrastinator. Wait, so um, yeah, it was a late night. Okay, okay, 49 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: this opens up a lot of the avenues of question, 50 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna start with the thing that I'm most 51 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: interested at this moment is what game were you playing? 52 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: And at what time were you playing? At as like 53 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: one in the morning, I was playing a game called 54 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: hell Let Loose. It was World War two first person 55 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: shooter game, hell Let Loose. I've I've never heard of 56 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: this game. This is a new game? Is it an 57 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: old game? It's like about three years old hell Let Loose. 58 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: I'm looking. I'm looking at this right now hard on. Yeah, 59 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: because I'm like, I'm a huge gamer. So how interesting. 60 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: It's a first person shoot. It's one of those like 61 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: it's in the realm of like realistic meaning it one shot, 62 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: one kill thing. It's a tactical game. You have to 63 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: work with your squad. Actually a chief objective it is. 64 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: I like it the fact that it's like you have 65 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: to communicate with people, so you can't just go and 66 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: be like I'm just gonna shoot click click click click. 67 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: You actually have to work as a squad, as a team. 68 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: So this is good. So this is a game, like, 69 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: you're a soldier, it's World War two? Is that easy? 70 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: World War two? You are what signed you want? Hold on, 71 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: let's make sure this is your wich? Side are you 72 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: fighting for in this game? It's a multiple really, you 73 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: could be you could be a Nazi and you can 74 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: be American, you can be rushing. Really. Wow, that's very 75 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: that's very spicy. That's very hot stuff. Hot button ship. 76 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: All right, okay, so you're a soldier and it is 77 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: um sorry, I know this is not what you came 78 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: to talk about. I can talk about anything and everything. 79 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: I'm here. Great, So it's one in the morning. You 80 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: fire up. Hell, let let lose. What platform are you 81 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: playing on? By the way, PC? P a your PC gamer? 82 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: Oh wow, we already have so much in common. I 83 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: love PC gaming. Okay, hold on before I go on 84 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: go off on a tangent. Okay, but I'm also very 85 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: a d D, A d H, whatever acronym it is. 86 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: So I'm super random. So I'm if you give me 87 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: the space, I'm going to take you on tangents here 88 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 1: and I'm just just the way it goes. Well, guess what, 89 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: So am I like severely a d D. So this 90 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: is gonna be a nerve shattering hell ride for all 91 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: of the listeners. So, okay, it's one in the morning. 92 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: You fire up hell Let Loose? Is it called helllet Loose? 93 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: Is that what it? And you have a you have 94 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: team members you play with like like online. Yeah, yeah, 95 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: I decided to join a gaming clan, so it's actually 96 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: a community, a group of gamers who all play the 97 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:35,119 Speaker 1: game hell Let Loose. And last night was the first 98 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: time we actually played as a squad. So it was 99 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: a bunch of folks all on the game together and 100 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: we were just talking, hanging out, getting to know each 101 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: other because we never really played together as a squad, 102 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: and uh, that was kind of cool. I've come to 103 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: a point in my life where one is, I don't 104 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,559 Speaker 1: have a lot of time to game, so it's usually 105 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: late at night, kids are asleep and I'm stressed out 106 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: on my eye. I'm just play some games. And because 107 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: of the nature of my work, actually I find myself 108 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: of looking for camaraderie. Right Finding a team, a squad 109 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: is enticing to me and to hold the space with 110 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: other folks, um rather than just you know, playing with 111 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: a bunch of randoms. For me, this is what I 112 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: need and want right now. Are they people you know? 113 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: Or these are just people you met and then no 114 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: clue who they are. They're just all coming together like 115 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: on the internet. Yeah, the squad I was playing with 116 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: last night, there was a Nigerian dude, there was a 117 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: Russian player, and then there was like two guys from 118 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: like like Fort Lauderdale of course Florida men, this woman 119 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: from Phoenix, so where everyone is everywhere. Yeah, so this 120 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: is like one of those stories. It's like the Internet 121 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: is so beautiful, Like this is such a because most 122 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: of the stories, and we talked about this a lot 123 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: on this on this podcast, like the Internet is a 124 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: pretty ugly place, but that's like a beautiful part of 125 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: the Internet. I'm curious, like, so, how long did you 126 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: play for? I put in about forty minutes. That's it. Okay, 127 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: you were in and out. Yeah, forty five minutes. It 128 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: was short. It was a short game. And do any 129 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: of these people know that you're on a like a 130 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: nationally or internationally airing television show. Okay, interesting, you don't 131 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: bring that up in casual conversation. I don't bring it 132 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: up in casual conversation. I'm curious. I actually I've been 133 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: thinking about whether I bring it up or at what 134 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: point do I bring it up? But you should be like, 135 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: this reminds me of um that when we were shooting 136 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: the scene on my on my show recently. Just like that, 137 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: like like they know, it's like, no big deal. I 138 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: feel like the fun ways you guys ever seen the show? 139 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: What do you think about it? What do you think 140 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: about this actor on the show named Dallas called what if? 141 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: They're like, I fucking hate that guy. He's so annoying. 142 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: I'll be like, Oh, I gotta go. Then you're gonna 143 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: have to leave the clan. I'm leaving the clan. I'm 144 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: burning the clan down out of the clan. Okay, So 145 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: you've got three hours of sleep or something you're writing 146 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: on season three reservation talks, which we're gonna talk about 147 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: and something new and then you were like, I gotta 148 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: play some video games. The families asleep, you fire up 149 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: the PC so you didn't go to bed ntil like 150 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: what three in the morning or something? Yeah? Three? Then 151 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: are you normally a night owl? Uh? I don't want 152 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: to be about I am. Yeah. My wife and I 153 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: we have we have five kids, and they all stay 154 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: up late. We have a whole crew. We have the 155 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: whole range. We have a three year old and we 156 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: have a twenty one year old. Oh my god, that's 157 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: a crazy range. That's the range we were dealing with 158 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: the one year old. You gotta put the twenty one 159 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: year old to work, like babysitting and stuff, right, yeah, yeah, 160 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: let babysitting watching the kids and all that stuff. Wow, 161 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: our youngest is in night owls. Like We've been struggling 162 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: to try to get him out of sleep schedule so 163 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: that he falls asleep earlier, but he ends up staying 164 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: up later. So and then I get up and get 165 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: the kids up in the morning. So that's why I 166 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: think about the exact in the morning. I like that. 167 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: Now that's daring, I have to tell you, And I'm 168 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: bad at this. I'm not a morning person. I am 169 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: a night owl and and my wife definitely gets up. Oh, 170 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: we only have one kid, so it's way probably way simpler. Boy, 171 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: if I knew I had to get up and they 172 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: were like gonna be five, Well hold on, let's see, 173 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: you got a twenty one year old, so you don't 174 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 1: have to worry about twenty one year old. What's the 175 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: next age down from twenty one? We have three that 176 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,719 Speaker 1: are have ten year old, a fourteen year old, and 177 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: a fifteen year old. Okay, so those are those are 178 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: the ones that got get up and getting get them 179 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: out of the door, right, Especially the teens. Teens need 180 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: a lot of sleep. There's a whole thing. It's like 181 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: we make like school really early for teenagers, but like 182 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: all the scientific studies show that they actually need a 183 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: lot more sleep, and we're like robbing them of their 184 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 1: precious hours. So but I don't know, but that's you know, 185 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: that's not your that's not your problem. You just gotta 186 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: get the kids up. Okay. So all right, what did 187 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: you have for breakfast? What was your what was you 188 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 1: how do you how do you like energize for the 189 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 1: day ahead? Well, I I love cooking for my family. 190 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 1: I'm not a good cook. But I love cooking. I 191 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: took my love language is cooking. I'm not a good cook, 192 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: but I like cooking. You haven't gotten good at it, 193 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: but you want to. You want to express yourself in 194 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: that way. That's beautiful. And also I make it a 195 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: thing is I cook for my kids before they go 196 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: to school every morning, so I make them food and 197 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: then I make their lunches. And so this morning I 198 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: just did something simple, just eggs, bacon, and then bagels. 199 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: But I toasted bagels with some cream. Yeah, so that's 200 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 1: why I had this morning. I haven't at dinner. That 201 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 1: sounds really good. Alright, So moving on from your night 202 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: owl and gaming and your breakfast situation. So you are 203 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: on this show Reservation Dogs on which is on effects. 204 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: You also write for it, right, yeah, like set the 205 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: show up, like talk about the show like for somebody 206 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: who's never seen it. And I started watching it because 207 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: I knew that we were going to talk. I have 208 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: been on my list and I'm like, oh, ship, like 209 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: that's got to move to the top of the queue. 210 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: And it is. It's super funny and super like heartfelt show. 211 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: But can you talk about a little bit like for 212 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: somebody who's never seen it like what the setup is. Yeah, 213 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: it is a coming of age story. It follows five 214 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: indigenous teens in Oklahoma, rural Oklahoma who go through the 215 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: trials and relations of being a teenager and also dealing 216 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: with the aspects of grief and having lost a friend 217 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: to tragedy. And it's a comedy, it's but it's really 218 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: like as you said, really um immersed in emotion and 219 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: a lot of feelings about how do we build community 220 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: and how how do we stay healthy as a community 221 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: when we're dealing with tragedy and hardships and guilt and 222 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: loss and all those other fields that come with life. 223 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: We just completed our second season this last fall and 224 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: we're now currently writing the third season. So and in 225 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: my character, I play spirit uh a k a William 226 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: knife Man and I'm a I'm a spirit. I'm a 227 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: spirit helper. I provide assistance and you could I use 228 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: assistance very loosely. And you will know why if you 229 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: watch the show. To one of the characters, of the 230 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: main characters, a young man who is trying to find 231 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: himself and understand what it means to be a man. 232 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: He's like, you know, fifteen, sixteen years old, and he 233 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: is still trying to figure out what what does it 234 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: mean to be a quote unquote warrior? Right? And like 235 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: I gotta say, like when when you first appear in 236 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: the show, I mean, listen, I'm gonna like, you know, 237 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: be a fanboy whatever. The character is a hilarious just 238 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: a hilarious vibe of a character I wasn't think I 239 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: was struck by. It's like it's kind of playing on 240 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: the trope of like I mean, you're seeing a lot 241 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: of like popular culture pop media, especially like not made 242 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: by indigenous people, Like where there's this character, like the 243 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,599 Speaker 1: Native American character who is like the guide or is 244 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: going to tell you what's going on or like explain 245 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: like the truth about something. Your character is kind of 246 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: like it's hard, hard articulate, but it's kind of like 247 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: fucking with that idea. It's kind of like in a 248 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: way making fun of the idea but also like not 249 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: fully not embracing that part of it where there is 250 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: like knowledge there, there is like history, there is like 251 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: a message to impart. But like you're definitely having fun 252 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: with that trope. Is that was that like as you 253 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 1: conceptualize this character, part of it, Oh, absolutely, I think 254 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: that there's a whole meta narrative to the show, and 255 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: and and I guess an intention as writers to take 256 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: ownership of our stories, and that this show doesn't exist 257 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 1: in a vacuum very much. We are as writers, as 258 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: indigenous writers who folks, all of us who grew up 259 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: in the eighties and nineties were well aware of how 260 00:12:55,320 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: Native people have been displayed on camera on TV movies, 261 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: were well aware of the stories that are told about us. 262 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: And so this show very much is mindful of that 263 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: context of how stories have been told and maybe even 264 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: continue to be told, and we want to take ownership 265 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: of them and say, well funk that we get to 266 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: decide how we tell our own stories, you know, and 267 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: be subversive in that so very much. My character is 268 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: totally making fun at the stoic Native American on horseback 269 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 1: who's here to give wisdom about one's life. It is 270 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: very much a spoof of sorts, just as a background 271 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: like I got my training, I guess you could say, 272 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: as as a performer doing sketch comedy and improv comedy 273 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: with our comedy group. I co created the Fortune on 274 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 1: Ones and fortunately Ones are are all a part of 275 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: the creative team for Reservation Dogs. The showrunner Sterling hard 276 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: Joe how you know, he was one of our co 277 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: creators of the Comedy Group, So we were able to 278 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: bring in a lot of elements of the characters that 279 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: we've been working on over years into the show. In 280 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: spirit is very much ja amalgamation of these different characters 281 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 1: who are over the top, hyper masculine characters who have 282 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: a lot of insecurities when they're being performative. It's all there, right. 283 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: Just the delivery is so it's very modern. It's like 284 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: part like okay, it is that classic trope, right, and 285 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: then it's also like you're just talking. Like the vibe 286 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: of it is very modern, and that mixture is also 287 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: really interesting because it's like a very unexpected like you're like, no, 288 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: I'm just walking with you or whatever, like in the 289 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: like the first thing you're and it's like okay, Like 290 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: that character would not say it like that in the 291 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: popular conception of like what we think of that Yellow 292 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: Stones version of that would not have that character, right, 293 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: or the avatar version of that. We're gonna talk about avatar. 294 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: I actually I have an avatar conversation for you in 295 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: a minute, but you very second I want to stick 296 00:14:50,880 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: on the show. You said you grew up in the nineties, right, 297 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how old you are, but 298 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: we're probably close in age. I'm thirty nine. Okay, you're 299 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: much much older than me. No, I'm kidding. That's you're 300 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: actually much younger than me, and that's very upsetting, uh 301 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: the U. But like you grew up in like the 302 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: Oliver Stone era, right, Like all Oliver Stone is like 303 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: one of these like directors who like over and over again, 304 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: is like using like indigenous people and as this like 305 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: kind of prop in a way. I mean, he's one 306 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: of many. But and maybe I don't know, maybe Oliver 307 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: Stone is like maybe he's doing it better than others. 308 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: But is a lot of the comedy in the show 309 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: are just like comedy you've done, like a reflection of that. 310 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: I just kind of happened to push back against those 311 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: like weirdly prevalent pop culture sort of ideas about who 312 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: you are and who people are. Yeah, I think really really, yeah, 313 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: it's it is. Um, it's a matter of giving the 314 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: opposite of what people expect. If I get up in 315 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: front of a crowd and say, okay, I'm now going 316 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: to share a Native American story. If this is your 317 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: average quote unquote American mainstream crowd here, I can literally 318 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: draw on the board what the images that come to 319 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: mind when I say that, because that's what they've grown 320 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: up with, that's what they learned every day, that's what 321 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: they It's been the story that's been told time after time. Right, 322 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: tell me what's on the board. What's the Native American story? Boom, 323 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: You're seeing tps, You're seeing Indians on horseback, You're seeing 324 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: eighteen eighties, right, You're seeing cowboys and Indians. What you see, 325 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: first thing is a story that exists in the past 326 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: as opposed to something that exists in the moment. Not 327 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: only that, you're also seeing a very oversimplified version of 328 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: what Native means. Because you know there's over five five hundred, 329 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: six hundred different distinct nations in this country. You know, 330 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: I'm in count in Canada, hundreds and hundreds of different 331 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: cultures and languages, and all you know is TPS. Right. 332 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: You might know wig moms, you might know something else. 333 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: But as a performer, I feel like as as me 334 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: as as a as a Dakota man might tribe, I'm Dakota, 335 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: like I have to be well aware of that when 336 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: I walk into the room, because in some ways people 337 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: are going to experience what I say, or it's a joke, whatever, 338 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: no matter what, there's to be a filter there that 339 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: it passes through. And I find comedy and jamming up 340 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: that filter as much as possible. We're like, well, what 341 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 1: the fund is I didn't expect this, you know, I 342 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: was not expecting this character, or this person or this story. 343 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: I was just thinking, like, it's also a tool, right, 344 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: because the fact that you are in control of like 345 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: how you can subvert the expectation is a really interesting 346 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,959 Speaker 1: and I think maybe it exists to some degree. I mean, like, 347 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: you know, like I'm a I'm like a Jewish guy, 348 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: and I look very Jewish, and I'm sure people if 349 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: I were to get up on stage and start talking 350 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: about like my you know, cranky Jewish parents or something, 351 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: there'd be an immediate you know, not the same thing. 352 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: I'm not saying there's a parallel, but like you have 353 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: that whole set of tropes that people start to think of, right, 354 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: and that's what like your character on the show is 355 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: like subverting that in a way that is like so 356 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: unexpected that it's it's like immediately hilarious, but then you 357 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: also start to go, oh yeah, right, like I see 358 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: this character in one way everywhere, and that's actually not 359 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: the entirety or the extent of of the story. You know, 360 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: you mentioned Avatar, or I believe you mentioned Avatar. I 361 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: was looking at your Twitter. I found a tweet that 362 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: I think is quite interested. Is an old tweet pressiant, 363 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: very Pressian tweet, in my opinion, and I'm gonna read 364 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: it to you. I just want to get your thoughts 365 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: on this. Tell me how you're feeling. One of my 366 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,479 Speaker 1: old tweets or is that someone else's. I think it's 367 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: one of your old tweets. I'm pretty sure this is yours. 368 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: There is a random tweet that I found, No one 369 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: of your old tweets. My most favorite recent Indian movie 370 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: has got to be Avatar. I'm really looking forward to 371 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: the return of Avatar, to the return of John Smith descendant. 372 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: This is a tweet that you did. Maybe like now 373 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: Avatar too is out? Okay, yeah it is. Have you 374 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: seen it? I have seen it. I actually just saw 375 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 1: it two days ago, really, and I didn't have to 376 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 1: pay for it because I'm in the writer's guild as 377 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: a writer be all the screenplays and then they send 378 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: the screeners And so I got a code where I 379 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: can go online and watch it streaming offline. That it's 380 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: for all the award seasons, right, so it's nominated for 381 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: Best Picture, right, Yes, So that's why I got it 382 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: to watch it, And I was like, Kelly, I don't 383 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: have to pay for it. I'll do it here. So 384 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: I watched it here at home. Um, I had to 385 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: watch in two cities that we can sit through it. 386 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: It's a long movie. There's a long movie. We started 387 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 1: watching at eleven o'clock at night, so like we we 388 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: have to stop. But I did see it. I will 389 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: say this, and this is like the context of that tweet. Hey, 390 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: I believe in your audience they're intelligent people. Only the 391 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: most intelligent folks listen to what Future podcast. So what 392 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: I'm about to say, maybe are They're already on the 393 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: same page. But for those handful of folks out there, 394 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: it is poke Honness in space like verbatim, it's the 395 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 1: same story. It's even the same acronyms, like the colonizers 396 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: come from a different planet to a new world to 397 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: discover and obtain natural resources. In the movie Avatar, it's 398 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: Jake Sully j s and Pocahona's John Smith j s 399 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 1: that Jake Sully John Smith gets saved, encounters the Princess 400 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: Pocahona Materi. She saves him like she throws her body. No, 401 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: don't kill him like it's the same story. It's but pocahonest. 402 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: It's literally pokehon on purpose, right. That is the part 403 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: of it is that I think it is on purpose, 404 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: but not for the same on purpose that you see 405 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: reservation dogs having an Indian on horseback like in my character. 406 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,239 Speaker 1: And I'm being very intentional where we are reclaiming that 407 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,719 Speaker 1: space and very mindful of the context of the images 408 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: that we're putting in front of an audience and using 409 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: that to subvert the conversation to uplift communities who have 410 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: been marginalized, who are have been on the margins, and 411 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: uplift their voices to take over that space. Avatar didn't 412 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: do that. It's just just telling you another Wild Wild 413 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: West show story. And at the core root of it, 414 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: it's another white savior story where the white man becomes 415 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: Indian and then becomes more Indian than the Indians, and 416 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: at the very end, he's saying, this is our land, 417 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: and everyone's like, yes, thank you white Man for becoming 418 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: one of us and showing us the way to save 419 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: our people. It's ridiculous, it's crazy, it's nuts. But also 420 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: I enjoyed the movie because it's entertainment. So I'm like, 421 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: I'm flying on dragons. I see it like like that part, 422 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't ignore the fact that this is 423 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: still entertaining even though highly problematic, and I have a 424 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: lot of conflict with that. You can make a really 425 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: fun movie and that's also like reductive in a bunch 426 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: of ways. And in fact, like probably some of the 427 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 1: most fun movies and we go back and look at 428 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: them are full of ship like wow, that's funking offensive 429 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 1: or stupid or like really shortsighted or reductive. Absolutely. You 430 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,959 Speaker 1: know how many movies now, like you go back and 431 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: how many like gay jokes are queer folks or trans 432 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 1: folks with the butt of the joke that back in 433 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: the tail, like, oh, that was funny, but now you're 434 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: like that doesn't age. Well. No. I was watching The 435 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls a couple of years ago, which I love. 436 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: By the way, you know, these two women are the 437 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,719 Speaker 1: main characters and they're very progressive or whatever, and like 438 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: one of the characters like that Bag is gay or whatever, 439 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 1: like and I'm like, this is from two thousand, three 440 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: years to four whatever, and I'm like, yeah, like that 441 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: would not fly. I mean that's a small thing. But 442 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: you know it's weird how just casual it was. It's 443 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: so interesting. I mean, so this is like stuff I 444 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: talked about with my parents because like their perspective is 445 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: so I'm a little bit more aware than they are, 446 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: but like you know, sometimes I'll be explaining it. It's 447 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: like you're trying to explain like the systemic stuff. It's 448 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: like they love this thing and you're like, well, let 449 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: me explain how this is actually really fucked up, and 450 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: like it's very hard. It's hard to like to pull 451 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: back to all those different layers and see how we've 452 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: just built the system of like a type of storytelling 453 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 1: like Avatar is a perfect example. And that's why The 454 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: Reservation Dogs is such an interesting new type of show. 455 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna be very honest, like that's a world 456 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: I don't feel like I know anything about. I don't 457 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 1: know what's up with, Like how what's happening on reservations. 458 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: I don't really know the modern story of indigenous people 459 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: in this country, Like we know the moments where it's 460 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 1: like the Dakota Access pipeline or like these like flashpoints 461 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: or whatever, or when people are critical something like Avatar 462 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: and people are talking about it. But like I think, 463 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: what's so fascinating about the show and so good about 464 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: it is it just is like it's like a modern story. 465 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: It pulls on all that stuff and and even in 466 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 1: some way has fun with it, like your character, but 467 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: it's also like resonating a lot of that history, right, 468 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: but not like the Pocahona story. It is something new, 469 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 1: and like there's not that much new right that we're 470 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: seeing in popular culture. Like the character name thing in 471 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: Avatar is kind of sucking me up, Like I've never 472 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 1: made that connection where it's literally the same initials and 473 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: the same setup, and like I haven't seen the new one. 474 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 1: Maybe they progress it like oh Avatary, No, No, it's 475 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: it's it's just this problematic. The thing is all right, 476 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: this is but it is an entertaining movie. James Cameron 477 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: knows how to make a blockbuster and the technology is amazing, 478 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: Like you are immersed in the world. It is fantastic 479 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: be swimming with alien whales. That happens. Okay, yeah, But 480 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: the issue that I have and a lot of folks 481 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: have brought up, is that it's not telling anything new, 482 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: like you said, it is it is. How do I 483 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: explain it? It's like it is the same story. Colin 484 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: are just come and they do bad things, and then 485 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: the original people's the indigenous people suffer and die and 486 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: because they are not able to adapt quote unquote is 487 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,959 Speaker 1: and it's all from a West perspective. It's because they 488 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 1: weren't able to adapt, they died. But there's one character 489 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: is the white guy who becomes native. He knows how 490 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 1: to adapt because he lives in both worlds, and he's 491 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: the savior. Here's the centerpiece of the story. And like 492 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 1: movies do not exist in a vacuum. Everything is context. 493 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: Whether you're going and you want to zone out, yes, 494 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: there's some movies, zombie movies where you can zone out. 495 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 1: But hey, also, zombie movies were created with a socially 496 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: conscious theme at the very root of it. I mean, 497 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: the first zombie movies were conversations about race and racism 498 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: in the United States and and so movies have a 499 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: context in them, and with that context, you're saying something 500 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: and the fact that you're telling another story about Indigenous 501 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: people in a way that's that sucks what happened to 502 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: them in the past. Yeah, what it does is it 503 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: really limits the ability for Indigenous voices now to say 504 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: we're existing now and we have stories we're telling now. Well, 505 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: it's crazy how hard coded it is in like the 506 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: people who are making it too right again, I have 507 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: seen the new one. I'm sure there are elements he had. 508 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: For sure. I saw the original and their elements who 509 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: were like, wow, that's thrilling. Like you said, like James 510 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: Cameron knows how to make a blockbuster, But like, it's 511 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: very likely James Cameron was not thinking I mean, who knows. 512 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: Maybe he's like totally nefarious and was like like, I'm 513 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: gonna just reuse this story and play on all these 514 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: tropes because it's really effective. But probably more likely he 515 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: kind of was like I'm telling this. Maybe he even 516 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: thought he was being like, I'm going to re contextualize 517 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: the story so that a modern audience understands the harm 518 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: we've done the white man has done too Indigenous people 519 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: or whatever. Meanwhile, he's just kind of like telling the 520 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: White Savior story version of that story. But it is 521 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: kind of hard coded in people that they can't see 522 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: past it. You know. It's like I think all the 523 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: time about J. K. Rowling, and I mean, it's got 524 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: lots of problems, but I don't know how if I 525 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: familiar are at the Harry Potter universe, but there's like 526 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: a whole sub group of characters they run the banks 527 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: and Harry Potter. They have like big noses and they're 528 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: like goblins and they're like fucking crazy Jewish stereotypes like 529 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: bad and like she'd be like, no, these are just 530 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: characters I created or whatever, Like I didn't that's not 531 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: what I was doing. And it's like no, like you 532 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: just took this like trope that exists and you re 533 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: contextualized it or you thought you not even she didn't 534 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: think about it. But it's like it's there, Like this 535 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 1: thing is there, And that's kind of like, again, I'm 536 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: not saying there's a direct parallel, but it is that 537 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: idea that there's a certain type of creator that creates 538 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: these massive properties that are like informing pop culture and 539 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: they're replaying these ideas that are like ancient ideas in 540 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: a way, like really kind of stuck in this weird 541 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: you know mode, my buddy, But we were just talking 542 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: about Harry Potter and you brought it up and she 543 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: was like, you know, what's fucked up about it? He's 544 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: like I was just thinking about it, and you know, 545 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: Harry Potter is so fucking classist. He's like, look, everyone 546 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: made fun Harry Potter because he was poor and his 547 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: friend Ron Weasley, they were seen as the poor kids. 548 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: But Harry Potter is a trust fund kid. He has 549 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: a fucking bankful of money from his parents. Oh yeah, see. 550 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: I started reading because like my daughter got interested in. 551 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, we'll read the books. I've never read 552 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 1: it because I always hated Harry Potter as a character 553 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 1: because I'm like, oh, he's like everybody's like, oh, he's 554 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: important and he's special and he's been taking care of 555 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: his whole life. And he came to Hogwarts and everybody's like, 556 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: oh you're Harry Potter, we love you. And it's like 557 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: I'm like, what's the struggle here? Like, like, dude, like 558 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: has been protected by all of these powerful wizards because 559 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: he's like the chosen one and like I'm supposed to 560 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: feel what like, yeah, he had like some bad foster 561 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: parents for a few years, like and now he's a 562 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: celebrity anyhow, But just in the weeds, perhaps on the 563 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: Harry Potter totally in the weeds, like my buddy went 564 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole, where I was like, I don't 565 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: know about that. He's Ron Weasley exactly. Ron Weasley seen 566 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: as poor, but his dad worked for the fucking ministry 567 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: and his dad was like a g man. His dad 568 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: was like part of the up level. So it's a 569 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: good point. I mean, that's only one. That's just one 570 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: of the many problematic things about Harry Potter. You is 571 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: fucking down the line. The Goblin ship is real, though, 572 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: I mean, like if you watch the movies I watched. 573 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: When I watched the first movie, I was like, this 574 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: is It's like George Lucas. He had all these characters 575 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: in the fucking New Star Wars movies that are like, oh, 576 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: that's like a crazy Asian stereotype. This is a crazy 577 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: Jewish stereotype. It's very much like the James Cameron thing 578 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: where he clearly is internalized. This ship doesn't even realize 579 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: it and then spits it back out. It's like you 580 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: feel like you're smart because you found parallels in real life, 581 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: but you're not given actually in depth commentary on it. 582 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: You're just replicating it anyhow. So like that's why I 583 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: hope everybody who's listening to watches the show, because it 584 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: is like such a different conversation about indigenous people in 585 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: this country, like their experience. I got totally sucked into it. 586 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: I think it's like fascinating. I'll just say, like that 587 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: close it out. So Sterling Hard as a show runner, 588 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: he's from Oklahoma, is very intentional across the board about 589 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: how he tells a story. First and foremost, the entire 590 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: show is filmed in Oklahoma on a reservation in native community. 591 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: They hire as many Native people on the crew behind 592 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: the camera just as much as the folks who are 593 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: writing it and in front of the camera. But then also, 594 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: we don't get preachy. We don't like to be preachy. 595 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: We don't like to be saying that this is this 596 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: is our commentary and society. It's like, really, what is 597 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: the experience of these kids, Like, let's get down to 598 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: this experience of what it means to be a Native kid. 599 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: In America and rural Oklahoma and let the fields flow 600 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: from there. So I really do hope folks check it out. 601 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: There is a kind of segue here that I wanted 602 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: to get into a little bit, which is I mentioned 603 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: before you're an activist and an organizer. Your father, Tom B. K. 604 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: Gold Tooth was, And I've done I've done my research. 605 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: I'm not saying like I've been reading up on this 606 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: for years, but I did some research. He was a 607 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: founder of the Indigenous Environmental Network. He's a well known 608 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: figure in the in the activism space. And the Avatary 609 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: is like they're not just sorry not to drop barrels, 610 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: like like there's like James Cameron's also like one of 611 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: his things is he's trying to be like, you know, 612 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: save the planet or protect you know, it's like this 613 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: whole thing about like protecting the ecosystem and being respectful 614 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: of you know, Mother Earth and all this, but you're 615 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: actually out there doing real world work where because we're 616 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: actually fucking up the real planet we live on, not 617 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: what is the what Pandora is that the name of 618 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: the planet Avatar. That's a that's a computer generated plan. 619 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: You can FuG it up really all you want. But 620 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: in the real world, we're we're actually destroying like the 621 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: planet we live on, while also totally violating communities that 622 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: have been here far longer than the people who are 623 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: trying to put a oil pipeline or whatever through their land. 624 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: And I've listened to some podcasts with you, I've read 625 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: some stuff, and and you talk a lot about joy 626 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: and the kind of joy of activism and organizing and 627 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: how you have to kind of go into that stuff 628 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: in a way where it isn't just about doom and gloom. 629 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: It is like about like seeing the possibilities and the potential, 630 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: but like also not to be a downer on this ship, 631 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: but like it feels like the potential and the possibilities 632 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: are getting like crushed to every at every angle. So 633 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: tell me about like the experience of trying to kind 634 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: of get people working towards a better tomorrow, like a 635 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: better version of this planet we live on in the 636 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: face of governments and corporations and and just a general 637 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: sense of like the apathy from a lot of the people, 638 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: like how do you do that? And and and and 639 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: are you still doing it? Do you feel like that's 640 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: still a big part of like what you do right now? 641 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: It's a good that's a good question. Sorry, that's a 642 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: kind of wide ranging. Yeah, I struggle with it. That's 643 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: the thing is, I'm not here to be the cheerleader. 644 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: Richard Simmons like, yeah, it's gonna be okay, you guys, 645 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: Let's just focus on the good stuff now, Like, Hey, 646 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: people have a right to be angry. People have a 647 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: right to be afraid and anxious and have an anxiety. 648 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: People have a right to have rage. And I'm not 649 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: here to police that. But I am here as an 650 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: individual too in my own journey try not to get 651 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: stuck in the muck that is climate anxiety. Like, man, 652 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: it's been hard. I got burnt out like so many times, 653 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: especially the past few years. And I on a personal level, 654 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: like I'm transitioning out of my work as an organizer 655 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: and going into this new realm as a writer, as 656 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 1: a performer. And a part of that is because I, yeah, 657 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: I burnt out. I struggled my own mental well being, 658 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: because it's the writings on the wall in many ways 659 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,719 Speaker 1: right where the path that we're on, and I do 660 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: feel at times like I don't know if we have 661 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: what it takes collectively as the human race to steer 662 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: the ship in the other direction where it needs to go. 663 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: But with that being set, like I refuse to give 664 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: into that, I still actively choose to find joy in 665 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: the work that I do in the world I am, 666 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: and I also put joy into what I want to 667 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: build and and not to like beat the horse, the 668 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 1: dead horse over the head or whatever the euphemism is. 669 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 1: Like going back to Avatar and the issues I have 670 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,760 Speaker 1: with this all it's all tied to down, it connected, 671 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: it's all connected. But look, Avatar to made two billion dollars, right, 672 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: two billion dollars? How much? And I don't know how 673 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: much money it costs them to make it, like I 674 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: imagine at least, but still a lot of money. Let's say, 675 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: even if you start with two hundred million dollars, you 676 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: have two hundred million dollars to build a world of future, 677 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: an entire universe where we did not sunk up the planet, 678 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: where we did not kill indigenous people's where we are. 679 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: Actually you live in a life that's far different than this, 680 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: and yet you choose this story like I think that's 681 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: where I want to put my energy into. And as 682 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: an organizer and as a storyteller is I want to 683 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: actively put my energy into radically imagining a future in 684 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: which I can exist on my own terms and that 685 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 1: my people in my community can exist on our own 686 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: terms in a way that's in line with our principles 687 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: as Native people's, as Dakota people's, but um in line 688 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: with our principles just being good relatives to each other. 689 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 1: So that's where I find my passion, That's where I 690 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: find my drive to encourage myself but to also embolden 691 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: others to radically imagine that future. Yeah, I mean, I 692 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 1: mean it's like, actually, when you put it that way, 693 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 1: like to your point about Avatar, if you can choose 694 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: to tell a story and you can tell a story 695 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: to to a larger group of people that does imagine that. 696 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: It's like, again, I don't want to take away anything 697 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,479 Speaker 1: from activists and organizers, but you know what, existing pop 698 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 1: culture is a powerful tool, right, Like what exists in 699 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 1: our shared sort of storytelling is really powerful. And you're 700 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: talking about like, can we make the two billion dollar 701 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: movie that imagines like the better version or the different 702 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: version or tells the different story, which I think is 703 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: maybe we haven't gotten there yet, but we could get there, 704 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 1: and there aren't maybe enough people trying. Our world is 705 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,800 Speaker 1: built on stories. Our entire existence, our society is nothing 706 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 1: but stories in myth, right, what's currency? Currency is nothing 707 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: but a story that we all agree upon and say 708 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: this has value, These things have value. What is the 709 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: concept of gender? You know? These are all stories and 710 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 1: it is the meta narrative, those subliminal messages that are 711 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: implanted in society that's keeping the current structure that is 712 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,760 Speaker 1: oppressing many for the benefit of a few. That really 713 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:06,280 Speaker 1: is the problem. And so like by countering those messages 714 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,959 Speaker 1: by by chipping away at the story, by saying, hey, actually, yeah, 715 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: those what are the goblins of hogwarts? Like you may 716 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: not understand it, but but folks who have been characterized 717 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,240 Speaker 1: in that way, they get what that's started trying to say, Yeah, 718 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:22,919 Speaker 1: we have to be better, we have to try better. 719 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying you have to water things on 720 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 1: and I don't. And also I'm not a big fan 721 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 1: of quote unquote WoT culture. I want to allow ourselves 722 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: to tell stories as we see fit and we don't 723 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: have to like give into a super politicized narratives. But 724 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 1: the core story we're trying to tell can be different. God, 725 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you've got me think about all this stuff. 726 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: We're probably gotta wrap up, and that's a great place 727 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: to like kind of end on. But I think that 728 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: idea of changing the story, it is so true what 729 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 1: you just said, like that that we are just living 730 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 1: story to story and if we can tell a different one, 731 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,399 Speaker 1: if we can get the next generation to like hear 732 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 1: a different and it can make a huge difference. Like 733 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 1: that's an awesome thought. Actually, like talking about like being optimistic, 734 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: I think that's the most optimistic idea in the world. 735 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: And you're working on it right now, Like you're doing 736 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 1: it right now, like you're coming off three hours of 737 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: sleep and but working on like writing projects that could 738 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 1: be you know, some one of those stories or or 739 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 1: these stories. So, Dallas, I gotta say, this has been 740 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 1: an amazing conversation, Like a super fucking interesting conversation. I 741 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: really appreciate you coming on and talking about all this 742 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,800 Speaker 1: stuff before we go. Anything you want to plug like, um, 743 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,720 Speaker 1: I mean obviously we talked about a lot of your projects, 744 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 1: but anything you know the standard follow me on social 745 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 1: media It's Dallas gold Tooth across the map TikTok Instagram Twitter, Facebook. Yeah, 746 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 1: I'm on TikTok dancing or you dancing dances. I've been 747 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: known to uh, to be the uncle on TikTok that 748 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: does some dances. And yeah, folks can follow me and 749 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: check me out, you know. In the season three I 750 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,280 Speaker 1: think I expected to come out for Reservation Dogs. Sometimes 751 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 1: this follow tone and um, pretty stoked for all of it. 752 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,799 Speaker 1: I'm so thankful for for you having me on the show. 753 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 1: And uh, yeah it's been it's been pretty awesome. Yeah, 754 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 1: this is awesome. Thanks so much. Well, that is our 755 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,760 Speaker 1: show for this week, and what a show, my goodness, 756 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: so many topics, so many thought provoking subjects. I'm I'm provoked, 757 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,359 Speaker 1: both on a thought level and also on a more 758 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: visceral kind of body level, which is interesting. But anyhow, 759 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 1: will be back next week with more what future, and 760 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: as always, I wish you and your family the very best.