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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 2: Chase Daniel The Mothership, NFL college football analyst and co

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Speaker 2: host of the Athletics Scoop City podcast. Also check out

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Speaker 2: the Chase Daniels Show on YouTube. He'll be on the

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Speaker 2: call for the Independence Bowl Coastal Carolina Louisiana Tech. That'll

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Speaker 2: be December thirtieth on the Mothership and he'll also be

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Speaker 2: in the radio booth for the Orange Bowl College football

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Speaker 2: playoff quarterfinal on New Year's Day. Good to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: Of all the tape you've been breaking down, give me

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Speaker 2: the one that stood out good or bad? Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean there's two in my opinion.

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Speaker 3: The first one is Josh Allen and just what he's

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Speaker 3: been able to do with so much less, And that

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Speaker 3: was sort of the MVP conversation last year. And you

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Speaker 3: break it down, the first half was awful. The Bills couldn't.

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Speaker 2: Move the ball at all. The Patriots had him figured

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Speaker 2: it out.

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Speaker 3: Bills defensively looked bad, and then you just turn on

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Speaker 3: the second half and they rolled.

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Speaker 2: And it's just every single time that the Bills need

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Speaker 2: to make a play, they.

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Speaker 3: Rely on Josh Allen and Josh Allen was put in

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Speaker 3: some crazy situations and he was able to make some plays.

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Speaker 3: The other one Dan that I really enjoyed watching, and

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Speaker 3: I think no one is talking about them as Jacksonville

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Speaker 3: Jaguars with Liam Cohne is doing with Trevor Lawrence. I mean,

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Speaker 3: this was, without a doubt, the best game Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 3: has ever played, maybe at any level.

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Speaker 2: And it's not only.

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Speaker 3: Because the six touchdowns, Right, that's nice, and you look

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Speaker 3: at the stats and you're like, oh, that's awesome, but

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Speaker 3: you look at the play calling, You look at the

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Speaker 3: place sequencing, meaning what plays are you running back.

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Speaker 2: To back to back? He has different plays and three.

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Speaker 3: Different variations that may make the defense react certain ways.

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Speaker 3: That the amount of play action, the trust that Trevor

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Speaker 3: Lawrence is throwing, and just it's it's been impressive to

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Speaker 3: bit out on Trevor Lawrence. Hey, how's he going to react?

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Speaker 3: How's he going to be with this third head coach,

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Speaker 3: however many it is. And then you see what Liam

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Speaker 3: Cohone's been able to do, and he's been able to

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Speaker 3: highlight the strong parts of Trevor Lawrence's game and that's

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Speaker 3: throwing the football down the field, and so it's just

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Speaker 3: been really impressive. The other one, real quick is Kayleb Williams,

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Speaker 3: Caleb Williams to me and Ben Johnson. If you just

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Speaker 3: look at what Ben Johnson's doing, he's worth fourteen points

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Speaker 3: a game because these he's scheming guys wide open. But

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Speaker 3: also Kleb Williams actually trying to find stuff open and

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Speaker 3: throw stuff open. And his growth has been really good.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe the Bears have ten wins right now.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but he's getting credit for that throw to DJ Moore. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that was risky. That was I mean, I honestly, I

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Speaker 2: broke it down on the YouTube. It'll be out today.

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Speaker 2: And when I see that throw made, it's so nonchalant, right,

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Speaker 2: of tosses it up like a prayer.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know, first of all, how the first

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Speaker 3: safety missed it and then and secondly the guy covering

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Speaker 3: DJ Moore it went right through his hands. And so

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Speaker 3: everyone's gonna be like, oh my gosh, that's amazing.

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Speaker 2: That's a great thrill. I think it's risky, you know.

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Speaker 2: Back to Josh Allen, and you know, trying to equate

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Speaker 2: what is value and do we it Is it equal

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Speaker 2: with being great in September and October to being great

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Speaker 2: in December? And this is where Josh Allen, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford's been great wire to wire, yes, no doubt,

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Speaker 2: But so I don't know if I was a voter,

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Speaker 2: how do I equate what he's doing now in December

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Speaker 2: as opposed to what Matthew Stafford has done the entire year.

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Speaker 3: I think Matthew Stafford still deserves the MVP and what

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Speaker 3: he's been able to do with this RAMS scene. But Dan,

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Speaker 3: here's my thing, and I'm not a voter. I know

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Speaker 3: some people who are voters, and everyone votes differently. If

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Speaker 3: you look at the roster that Josh Allen has and

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Speaker 3: what he has been able to do lately, you can't

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Speaker 3: even remotely compare it to the roster that Matthew Stafford has.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: Matthew's making some insane throws and Matthew's playing some of

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Speaker 3: the best.

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Speaker 2: Bowl of his career.

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Speaker 3: But you look at Kira and Williams, you look at

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Speaker 3: and I know Josh Allen has the running back, but

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Speaker 3: to me, I don't think that Josh Allen has overtaken

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Speaker 2: But this is the year for Josh Allen.

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Speaker 3: If there's any year that he's going to make some

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Speaker 3: it's going to be on the back of Josh Allen.

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Speaker 3: There's no Patrick Mahomes, there's no Lamar Jackson, there's no

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow. So Josh Allen it's going to be talked about.

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Speaker 3: If they can't, if they're limping into the playoffs, which

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Speaker 2: It just seems to me.

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Speaker 3: And they just beat the best team in the NFC

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Speaker 2: Josh Allen has to get it done. Man, did you

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Speaker 2: break down Philip Rivers? I did, Yes.

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Speaker 3: It didn't get a lot of views because I guess

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Speaker 3: no one cares about old man Rivers, but it's on

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Speaker 3: the YouTube channel. First of all, forget about any of

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Speaker 2: Old Waite are you grating differently? Are you grading differently

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Speaker 2: because you go, well, it's a forty four year old guy,

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Speaker 2: are you treating him the same way you would Shadoor Sanders?

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Speaker 2: Not even close.

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Speaker 3: And it's grading on a curve because Philip Rivers five

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Speaker 3: hasn't thrown a pass in five years.

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Speaker 2: So he's coaching his high school team.

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Speaker 3: And when you go on the road against that Mike

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Speaker 3: They can't really throw it outside the numbers because Phillip's

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Speaker 3: they barely fit in there. But in between the numbers,

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Speaker 3: and I would say the one thing that really stood

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Speaker 3: out to me is mentally meant he has not missed

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Speaker 2: You see him out there.

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Speaker 3: After the first like twenty plays where he's feeling it out.

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Speaker 2: He's getting the speed of the game.

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Speaker 3: He's changing plays left or right, he's motioning, he's doing this,

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Speaker 2: The pass plays. How do you have all this figured out?

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Speaker 3: You got there on Monday. Your first practice was Wednesday,

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Speaker 3: I mean, the stats aren't aren't there. It's a huge

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Speaker 3: Monday night game against forty hoe urs Zo.

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Speaker 2: He's Chased Daniel, the Mothership ESPN College Football and NFL

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Speaker 2: analyst and his show is on YouTube. He Chase Daniel Show.

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Speaker 2: I talked a little bit opening segment about Jackson Dart.

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Speaker 2: You know, the commander is going to shut down Jade Daniels.

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Speaker 2: They know what they have with him and let him

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Speaker 2: just get healthy in the off season. With Jackson Dart,

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Speaker 2: if you've been in the blue tent five times in

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Speaker 2: ten games, we have a real problem here. But I

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Speaker 2: don't know how you change somebody with their style. And

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Speaker 2: you as a quarterback, can you what do you say

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Speaker 2: to Jackson Dart If he was your teammate and he

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Speaker 2: played this way and you were his backup, well you

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Speaker 2: might say, hey, keep playing this way. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: get in games. Yeah yeah, But can he change modify

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Speaker 3: He's gonna have to and and it's it's been talked about.

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Speaker 3: And when you when you watch the.

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Speaker 2: Games and you and you do it.

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Speaker 3: It's not out of a place of like, oh, you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't care about my body. I think he's just

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Speaker 3: uber competitive, but it's borderline reckless right now. And I

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Speaker 3: Jackson Dart, in my opinion, is the franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 2: He's done that.

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Speaker 3: And yes, there are certain ways that you can run

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Speaker 3: an offense with the quarterback running, but you have to

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Speaker 3: ingrain it in the quarterbacks that if you keep doing this,

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Speaker 2: And it is a big part of his game.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, Dan, if you go back to his

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Speaker 3: It's it's just not the case. And when you get

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Speaker 3: it's just I mean, did you see the Commander's meeting

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Speaker 3: talking about how Jackson Dart is reckless and he has

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Speaker 3: he has no awareness of He's like, we have to

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Speaker 3: pop them, we have to hit him. Joe Joe Whitt

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Speaker 3: Jackson Dart has to like when he goes back this

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Speaker 3: offseason after the season and they picked the head coach,

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Speaker 3: They're gonna sit down and be like, this is the

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Speaker 3: number one thing we have to fix. You are uber talented,

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Speaker 3: but you have to be available for our football team.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know it's been ingrained in him that

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Speaker 2: his dad was a defenship back. I mean, he plays

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Speaker 2: like he's a defenship back playing quarterback.

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Speaker 4: And I just.

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Speaker 2: Wonder, or can you instinctively as you're running go oh,

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Speaker 3: I think the one thing that I saw change and

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Speaker 3: at Jaden Daniels in college, right, the one thing I

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Speaker 3: was worried about him was he did take too many hits,

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Speaker 3: whether it was sacks or running. And he's a true

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Speaker 3: pocket passer that can take off and is exceptional running

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Speaker 3: the football. He got smoked in college a few times,

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Speaker 3: and I was worried about his frame. I was worried

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Speaker 3: about him getting hurt more. In the NFL, He's done

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Speaker 3: a really nice job and dan Quinn's done a really

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Speaker 3: nice job of understanding. Same with Cliff Kingsbury. Hey you

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Speaker 3: gotta get down and you gotta do this. And it's

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Speaker 3: just maybe baby steps, but I think the first thing

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Speaker 2: Accountability for it.

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Speaker 3: And if you can't, I mean, you're not gonna sit

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Speaker 2: To a It just I don't know, man, It's it's

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Speaker 3: Situation, you know, these last three four games for teams

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Speaker 2: They're one and seven this year. And that's a huge

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Speaker 3: If you win four of those seven games, you're in

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Speaker 3: First of all, they played I think twenty three extra games,

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Speaker 3: those things where, hey, you know, it's just a different

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but when people make that comparison with Brady and Mahomes,

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Speaker 2: Mahomes needs his legs. Tom doesn't. Tom didn't get slower

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Speaker 3: And here's the thing though, I think it'll be good

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Speaker 3: And yes, Mahomes like to move around. Remember I mean

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Speaker 3: He was back in two weeks and so the ability

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Speaker 2: But if anyone can heal fast, I think it's Mahomes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll be after Christmas. So I got to get

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Speaker 3: It's those three at the top in my opinion, Dante More,

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Speaker 2: For sure. Have the Saints seen enough that they would

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Speaker 3: Look, I I know the people down there, and they've

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Speaker 2: I think Shuck's good, but.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's gonna be interesting to see what happens

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Speaker 2: Have fun in the Independence Bowl. Happy holidays to you

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Speaker 2: have you back. What took the NFL so long to

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Speaker 2: push forward and having stricter standards for playing surfaces? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: that is a great question. I saw.

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Speaker 6: I think I saw a graphic the other day of

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Speaker 2: Very very alarming.

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Speaker 6: And you know, I think the players want all grass,

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Speaker 2: And then when you're like twenty eight, twenty nine, you're like,

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Speaker 6: Then you want to get away from that turf. So

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Speaker 6: I think the NFL should if they want to prolong

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Speaker 6: At other positions, I mean, not quarterback, they should make

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I don't know, you know, Mahomes, I

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Speaker 2: could see the injury happening, and I could understand that,

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Speaker 2: but Michael Parsons non contact like those are the ones

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Speaker 6: And I'm glad you you want to have this conversation

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Speaker 6: that's also that technology is also bled into the cleats.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if the shoes.

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Speaker 6: Are as good as they were, but they'll tell you

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Speaker 2: So Now if you have a bigger, faster.

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Speaker 6: and the Magic Johnson's back in the day. So I

437
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Speaker 6: think it's a combination of the surface as well as

438
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Speaker 6: the athletes getting bigger, faster, and stronger, and it's kind

439
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Speaker 6: of working against each other.

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Speaker 2: But when you go back to that January twenty thirteenth

441
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Speaker 2: playoff game against Seattle and you got injured on that surface,

442
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Speaker 2: did you sue the Washington Did you sue your your

443
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Speaker 2: owner at the time?

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Speaker 6: I did not, Dan, do you have any do you

445
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Speaker 6: have any lawyers that.

446
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Speaker 2: It's a statute of limitations up? Because I mean I

447
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Speaker 2: think it is. I mean, that's malpractice, isn't it? With

448
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Speaker 2: a field as bad as that, I mean, that was

449
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Speaker 2: embarrassing that field.

450
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and there's so many guys that have been hurt

451
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Speaker 6: on that field, and that was that was actually grass

452
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Speaker 6: or saying whatever you want to call it.

453
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Speaker 2: You could you could see the dust flying.

454
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Speaker 6: Up everybody every time people were running fast on that field.

455
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Speaker 2: So I didn't, you know at that time. I think

456
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Speaker 2: a large part of it was it's really hard.

457
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Speaker 6: To sue the owner or sue the league and still

458
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Speaker 6: play in the league. But if there's a maybe there's

459
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Speaker 6: a lawyer out there who can, you know, call back

460
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Speaker 6: that statute of limitations, and I probably wouldn't be the

461
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Speaker 6: only guy that that would want to, you know, be

462
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Speaker 6: interested in that, because there's a difference between just having

463
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Speaker 6: grass or turf and really terrible grass and really bad turf.

464
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Speaker 6: So I think the league is going to continue to

465
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Speaker 6: see this happening when from an injury standpoint, and if

466
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Speaker 6: they don't mandate what the teams actually have to use,

467
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Speaker 6: and you know what company they need to use to

468
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Speaker 6: have the right type of grass that's going to be

469
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Speaker 6: the best possible for the players. You're going to continue

470
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Speaker 6: to see top level players go down, and I know

471
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Speaker 6: the league doesn't want that.

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Speaker 2: RG three Fox Football Analyst out of pocket with RG

473
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Speaker 2: three his podcast. What advice would you give Michah Parsons

474
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Speaker 2: and anybody else who's had a torn shape?

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Speaker 4: You know?

476
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Speaker 6: ACL, Yeah, I mean the number one advice I would

477
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Speaker 6: give to Michah Parsons and Patrick Mahomes right now is

478
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Speaker 6: to not play next year. And it's because of when

479
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Speaker 6: they got hurt. They both got hurt in December. You know,

480
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Speaker 6: you look at these injuries and we've seen guys come

481
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Speaker 6: back in six months, you know, eight months, nine months,

482
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Speaker 6: and it would be nine months for both of them

483
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Speaker 6: if they were ready to go week one. But you

484
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 6: don't really feel like yourself until about fifteen months after

485
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Speaker 6: the injury. And some guys will even tell you, hey,

486
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Speaker 6: it took me twenty four months to truly feel like

487
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Speaker 6: myself again. And don't get me wrong, eighty percent of

488
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Speaker 6: Micah Parsons is better than Dangner. Almost every pass rusher

489
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Speaker 6: in the NFL eighty percent of Patrick Mahomes is better

490
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Speaker 6: than almost every.

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Speaker 2: Quarterback in the NFL.

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Speaker 6: But I look at it from a stamp point because

493
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Speaker 6: of my own experience, and these guys aren't me. But

494
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Speaker 6: I told my ACL M I lcl the same injury

495
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Speaker 6: that Patrick mahomes head has right now, and I wouldn't

496
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Speaker 6: have played in twenty thirteen. I I if hindsight, which

497
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Speaker 6: it is twenty twenty, I wouldn't have played the following

498
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Speaker 6: year because I wasn't back to myself yet. And Mahomes

499
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Speaker 6: is a guy that runs around, is very creative, and

500
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Speaker 6: is a great second reaction quarterback, and he can play

501
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Speaker 6: from the pocket. But I would advise them to not

502
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Speaker 6: play next year so that when they come back in

503
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Speaker 6: twenty seven they can truly and fully be themselves and

504
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Speaker 6: it won't knock off years from their career. Now, I

505
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Speaker 6: say that knowing very well. Dan, you know, I've got

506
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Speaker 6: you know sources pretty close to the situation there that

507
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Speaker 6: that Mahomes is all in for Week one, and we

508
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Speaker 6: see Mica say that he's all in for Week one

509
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Speaker 6: as well. And it's because as players, we are wired

510
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Speaker 6: to have this gladiator mindset that we can overcome anything

511
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Speaker 6: and we're not normal and we're not normal. But at

512
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Speaker 6: the same time, I would advise them to sit out

513
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Speaker 6: the following season because of when they got hurt, and

514
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 6: then you can play for another ten fifteen years once

515
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Speaker 6: you're fully back to health.

516
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Speaker 2: Do I think that's what's going to happen.

517
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Speaker 4: No.

518
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Speaker 6: I think they're gonna come back and they're going to

519
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Speaker 6: play week one because that's how we're wired, and the

520
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 6: only people that can really protect them is the teams.

521
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Speaker 2: Does it matter that it's the left knee for Mahomes, Yeah.

522
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Speaker 6: So mine was the right you know, which is the

523
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Speaker 6: you know, the hip through knee as they would say,

524
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Speaker 6: the left knee. It becomes concerning because now most guys

525
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Speaker 6: would wear a brace on that knee. A lot of

526
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Speaker 6: times we get hit offensive linemen. That's the leg that

527
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Speaker 6: is straight for the most part, sometimes when you're when

528
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Speaker 6: you're throwing the football, though it shouldn't be, you know,

529
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Speaker 6: from a full technique standpoint, But I think if it

530
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Speaker 6: was the back knee and him pushing off, it would

531
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Speaker 6: be more concerning. So I think the left knee makes

532
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Speaker 6: it a little bit better, But It also raises the

533
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Speaker 6: risk for re injury because of the style of play

534
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Speaker 6: in the NFL and those big guys falling into you.

535
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Speaker 2: It feels like, Josh Allen, you know, the window is

536
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Speaker 2: wide open now because you don't have Mahomes, you don't

537
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Speaker 2: have the Chiefs, you don't have your kryptonite. Lamar's probably

538
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Speaker 2: not in Burrow, not going to be in as well.

539
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Speaker 2: Is it fair to look at Josh Allen and say, hey, man,

540
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Speaker 2: because I don't think their team is anywhere near what

541
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Speaker 2: it's been before, and now we feel like, well, these

542
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Speaker 2: quarterbacks aren't in there. Now is your chance to go

543
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Speaker 2: to the Super Bowl?

544
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Speaker 6: I think that Josh Allen and you know, Matt Stafford

545
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Speaker 6: might be the two guys that most people in the

546
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Speaker 6: media or most fans feel the most comfortable with right now.

547
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Speaker 2: It's a topsy turvy league.

548
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Speaker 6: If you ask most people, the average fan, hey, who

549
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Speaker 6: has the best record in the NFL.

550
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Speaker 2: Don't look at your phone, don't go to the standings.

551
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Speaker 2: Who is it? I promise you they wouldn't say it's

552
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Speaker 2: the Deno Broncos. They wouldn't.

553
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Speaker 6: And that to me makes it to where if there

554
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Speaker 6: was ever a year for Josh Allen the Buffalo Bills

555
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Speaker 6: to win the Super Bowl. It would be this season.

556
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Speaker 6: All the top guys for the most part that you

557
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Speaker 6: would expect to be there are not there.

558
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Speaker 2: Okay, But if Buffalo played Denver in Denver, yeah, who

559
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Speaker 2: you take it? Oh, I'm taking Denver. Okay.

560
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Speaker 6: So here and this is a great point, Dan, you

561
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Speaker 6: know you're great at this. And people are there hoarding

562
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Speaker 6: their decision about the Denver Broncos because they don't want

563
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Speaker 6: to be wrong about Bonnicks. And to me, that's not

564
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Speaker 6: how you do the job. Like I was a big

565
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Speaker 6: Bonnicks guy. I thought that him and Sean Payton would

566
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Speaker 6: be fabulous together. And they're twelve and two right now

567
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Speaker 6: in year two and absolutely bawling out with a great

568
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Speaker 6: defense in an offense that's good enough to win games.

569
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Speaker 6: So people have to stop being afraid of that and

570
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Speaker 6: just acknowledge what you see in you. The Denver Broncos

571
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Speaker 6: are the best team in the NFL. The Seattle Seahawks

572
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 6: are one of the best teams in the NFL. The

573
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 6: New England Patriots are one of the best teams in

574
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Speaker 6: the NFL. And it's not just because of their records.

575
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Speaker 6: They're just holding it against their quarterbacks because they don't

576
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Speaker 6: know if they believe in Sam Donald in the playoffs.

577
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Speaker 6: They don't know if Drake may is real or not

578
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Speaker 6: because they haven't seen him do it in the playoffs.

579
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Speaker 6: They don't know if bo Nicks is real or not

580
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Speaker 6: because they haven't seen him do it in the playoffs.

581
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Speaker 6: But this season is shaping up to be one where

582
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Speaker 6: we could have one of those three guys hoisting Lombardi

583
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Speaker 6: at the end of the season. And I think that's

584
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Speaker 6: great for the NFL, and I think some of the

585
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 6: Punnits need to catch up.

586
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Speaker 2: Convinced Bengal fans that they shouldn't be worried about Joe Burrow,

587
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 2: Oh no, they should be.

588
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Speaker 6: You can't anytime a guy that's that competitive, the one

589
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Speaker 6: who was smoking cigars and changed his last name on

590
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Speaker 6: the back of his jersey at LSU to Burrow.

591
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Speaker 2: You know the way that Louisiana and spell it.

592
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Speaker 6: That when that guy comes out and says, man, I

593
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 6: don't know if I love this anymore, like I got

594
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Speaker 6: a find the joy.

595
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Speaker 2: That's a problem.

596
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Speaker 6: And it's also weird because I've heard some people compared

597
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 6: to the Carson Palmer situation, whereas Carson.

598
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Speaker 2: I believe it was. We had t O and Oho

599
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Speaker 2: and he was just.

600
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Speaker 6: Like, Yeah, it's kind of tough to deal with these

601
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 6: guys and what's going on in building around me.

602
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Speaker 2: Joe's got his guys. I think there's more Andrew Luck

603
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, I could see that getting banged up. Luck

604
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,239
Speaker 2: was twenty nine when he walked away. Yep. You know

605
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 2: that the psychological there's the physical damage. The psychological damage

606
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Speaker 2: is it's hard to rehab the psychological damage of all

607
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: the injuries. We can do the physical parts, but the

608
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 2: psychological you know, those scars stay a lot longer.

609
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Speaker 6: And the psychological part that you're opening up there then

610
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 6: is because Joe played so well last year. You know,

611
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 6: sometimes as a quarterback, like when team, when your team

612
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,959
Speaker 6: doesn't play well and you don't play well, it can

613
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Speaker 6: kind of motivate you to be like, all right, let's

614
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 6: go back to the drawing board. Let's figure it out.

615
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 6: I didn't do this great in Boom Boom boom. But

616
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 6: when you go out there and you throw for a

617
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 6: gazillion touchdowns and seven thousand yards and you still lose,

618
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 6: and it's like not close, Like you're not close to

619
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Speaker 6: making the playoffs, and you're doing that year after year

620
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 6: after year, and then you're getting hurt year.

621
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: After year after year.

622
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Speaker 6: That's where I think Joe Burrow is kind of burning

623
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Speaker 6: himself out in a way of like he's made enough money,

624
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Speaker 6: which I understood why Andrew made the decision that he made.

625
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Speaker 6: If Andrew Luck was a fourth round quarterback and didn't

626
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 6: get paid a bunch of money, he probably would have

627
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 6: still been playing. But he was a first round pick

628
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 6: that had signed one hundred million dollar contract and just

629
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 6: was banged up, and he's like, you know what, I've taken.

630
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: Care of my family. I've enjoyed this game for a

631
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Speaker 2: long time.

632
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Speaker 6: I'm good, And I could understand why Joe Burrow would

633
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 6: be in that position. But I think if you're any

634
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 6: of those guys on that team, don't even worry about

635
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 6: the owners ownership and the GM and the head coach,

636
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 6: just the players. Do you want Joe Burrow to be

637
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 6: your quarterback? Because if you do, I'm taking them a

638
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 6: seventeen steak dinners over the next seventeen days. And I'm

639
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 6: trying to convince him like, hey man, I know this

640
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 6: is tough, but we need you. And I think that's

641
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 6: The only thing that'll get Joe Burrow back into it

642
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 6: is the guy's in that locker room, you know, really

643
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 6: putting their arms around him and say we got you back.

644
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: Man. This just came in. The Dolphins are going to

645
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 2: bench Tua and they're going to start quinn Ewers. Wow,

646
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: what kind of statement is this?

647
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Speaker 4: Now?

648
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 2: I know, all right, we can see what quinn Ewers

649
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: can do. Why not let him see what? But when

650
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: you bench a guy who's healthy and a big contract,

651
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 2: you got him for another year? Are the Dolphins moving

652
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:57,239
Speaker 2: on from Tua by making this decision? I think I

653
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: love quinn Ewers, Don't get me wrong.

654
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Speaker 6: I believe that Mike McDaniels put himself in a situation

655
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Speaker 6: that if quinn Ewers doesn't go out and absolutely bowl out,

656
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Speaker 6: that they will move on from him.

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Speaker 2: And it's because of the contract.

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Speaker 6: You've got two a tongue of alool who's got what

659
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Speaker 6: two hundred million dollar contract?

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Speaker 2: I think they're on the hook for, you know whatever,

661
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Speaker 2: fifty million next year. Correct.

662
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Speaker 6: So you're as a head coach now saying I don't

663
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Speaker 6: want this guy, you know, and that to me puts

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Speaker 6: you in a very pecurious situation as a head coach.

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Speaker 2: When you make those types of decisions, you have to

666
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Speaker 2: be right.

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Speaker 6: And the question you have to ask if you're a

668
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Speaker 6: fan of the Miami Dolphins, is is Quinn yours the

669
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Speaker 6: guy to make that decision? For I thought he handled

670
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Speaker 6: himself well at Texas. You know, I've had him on

671
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Speaker 6: our show out of Pock with RG three. He is

672
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Speaker 6: a god fearing, great young man who probably shouldn't have

673
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 6: fell in the draft as far as he did. But

674
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Speaker 6: are you that confident as the coach that Quinn Ewers

675
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Speaker 6: is the guy that I'm gonna move forward with because

676
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 6: I'm benching to a tongue of Ialoa. Or are you

677
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Speaker 6: saying we're gonna go drafting to the quarterback next year

678
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Speaker 6: and we're gonna pay to it to get out of

679
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Speaker 6: here in the same way that.

680
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Speaker 2: The Broncos did to Russell Wilson. Yeah, but I don't

681
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Speaker 2: know if Mike McDaniel is going to be back next year.

682
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Speaker 2: So if you have a better chance of ensuring that

683
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Speaker 2: if you play Tua right. It feels like.

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Speaker 6: I, well, he's put that he's putting himself on the

685
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Speaker 6: plank and saying quin Ewers is gonna save my job.

686
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Speaker 2: That's what he that's what he's saying.

687
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Speaker 6: And and and I think that's a bad I think

688
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Speaker 6: to a tongue of Ioloa should still be the starting quarterback.

689
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Speaker 6: And I think that Mike McDaniels is putting himself in

690
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Speaker 6: the wall against the wall in the corner. And if

691
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Speaker 6: quin Ewers doesn't go out there and win the rest

692
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Speaker 6: of these games, he's gonna be gone.

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Speaker 2: Great to talk to you, great stuff today, Happy holidays.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you guys, Mary Christmas ut. Robert Griffin Junior the

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Speaker 2: third is mcleven No Griffith. McLevin called him Robert Griffith

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Speaker 2: Junior the third.

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Speaker 2: How surprised are you quinn Ewers is starting for the

705
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: Dolphins in Tua has been benched.

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Speaker 7: I'm pretty surprised. I I don't think who saw that coming.

707
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 2: But you look at it.

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Speaker 7: The way he's playing right now, it's kind of been

709
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 7: somewhat up and down. Did not play well last week.

710
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Speaker 7: It's the end of the season. They're not going to

711
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Speaker 7: the playoffs. Is it one of those things? You know

712
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 7: he's got the concussion history. Do you want to keep

713
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Speaker 7: him safe? It looks like sometimes he doesn't want to

714
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 7: take a hit, but he's back there running around.

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Speaker 4: It seems like he's protecting himself.

716
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Speaker 7: But I think I think going forward with the Dolphins,

717
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 7: maybe they get it. They want to get a look

718
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 7: at Quinn because maybe this is the end of the

719
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Speaker 7: road for two. I don't know what's his contract situation.

720
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Speaker 7: That's something that you got.

721
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Speaker 2: To look at. Well, they got one more year. I

722
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 2: think it's around fifty million, so a big cap hit

723
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: if they move on. I don't know if this is

724
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Speaker 2: a situation that Sean Payton had when he inherited Russell Wilson.

725
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 2: You're gonna probably get a new coach in Miami and

726
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: then are they going to come in and you have

727
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 2: this to a contract and you got to deal with that,

728
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 2: or they try to do what Denver did and just

729
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 2: say to Russell Wilson, see you you know my coach

730
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: wants to get his quarterback in there.

731
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I could always certainly go that way to put

732
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Speaker 7: it on the coach. That takes some cajones. So, I mean,

733
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Speaker 7: especially with that cap hite, I think.

734
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Speaker 4: I like to.

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Speaker 7: I think when he's on, he's on. He can play really,

736
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Speaker 7: really well. Obviously, you know his best receiverent down Tyreek

737
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 7: and that that hurts you. But if the cap hit

738
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Speaker 7: is at that fifty million mark, I gotta believe that

739
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 7: they're gonna whoever's in there, I would keep him. I mean,

740
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Speaker 7: he's definitely plays well enough to you don't want to

741
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 7: take a fifty million dollar gap. I think Russell Wilson's

742
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 7: situation was a little bit different.

743
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Speaker 2: But what's it like to play with the quarterback who

744
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 2: doesn't have a strong arm.

745
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 7: Well, you know, I'm a tight ends, so I get

746
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 7: the eight to ten yard route, a couple of corner routes.

747
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 7: I'm not really burning them over the top, so that

748
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 7: doesn't bother me. It's like, hey, just give me the ball,

749
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Speaker 7: put it up highs and go get it. But yeah,

750
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Speaker 7: that that that limits you for sure? Do you think too,

751
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 7: I can't throw the depot, you.

752
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Speaker 2: Know, watching him against Steelers. That arm doesn't look like

753
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: you know, hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna have to worry

754
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 2: about him beating me over the top. I think he

755
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: has wide receivers or he did with Tyreek, who were

756
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 2: faster than anybody they were up against, and maybe created separation.

757
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 2: But he had a couple of passes against Steelers where

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Speaker 2: I went, I don't know, especially in this December on

759
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: the road in December. Not exactly Steve Young he was.

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Speaker 4: He was definitely fained this last week's game. I think

761
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Speaker 4: that put a bad taste in people's mouth.

762
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Speaker 7: But I'm also too, you know, towards the end of

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00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 7: the season sometimes he's they want to get a look

764
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 7: at the young quarterback and then they'll make that decision

765
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Speaker 7: going into you know, the offseason, and and you protect

766
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Speaker 7: your quarterback who's kind of sensitive obviously his head issues.

767
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Speaker 4: I take that Barry seriously.

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Speaker 7: I was one of the ones when he got hurt

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Speaker 7: before that said, I don't understand why you want to

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Speaker 7: keep playing with his concussion history, but maybe that's a

771
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 7: little bit that plays a little bit into it as well.

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Speaker 2: How many concussions do you think you had shoot?

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Speaker 7: I know for sure too, because but I went back

774
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 7: in the game. You know, it was a different game

775
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 7: back then. You got your bell wrong. Get back in there.

776
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 7: How many fingers I'm holding up? You're good, go back

777
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 7: in there. But yeah, I would say too, that was

778
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Speaker 7: I got.

779
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Speaker 4: I got lucky.

780
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: I think, wait, but that's almost in.

781
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Speaker 4: You.

782
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Speaker 2: You had thirteen hundred catches, didn't you.

783
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, run there.

784
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Speaker 2: I mean just the odds of even when you're not,

785
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 2: you know, catching a pass. Seventeen seasons, you think you

786
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: only had two.

787
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 4: Maybe I had a little bit more.

788
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 7: You know, my last season year seventeen in Atlanta, there's

789
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 7: a couple of times I caught the ball and landed,

790
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 7: you know, normal landing on the ground, and part of it,

791
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 7: your helmet hits the HS it's the pain the turf,

792
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 7: and uh, it was like a movie. Liked the it

793
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 7: opens back up, like the old school movies where it

794
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 7: goes dark and then opens up to the light. And

795
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 7: that's how my vision. That happened a couple of times

796
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 7: during that season. That was another reason I was like,

797
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 7: you know what, maybe it's time for me to go.

798
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 7: I don't know if it was necessary concussion, but over

799
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 7: the years, your head gets a little bit softer as

800
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 7: you as you as you get older, you can't take

801
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 7: the hits like you used to. So but like knocked

802
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 7: out type concussions, No, I never I was never knocked

803
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 7: out on the field or anything like that.

804
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 2: You reach tired. You were thirty seven, thirtyeven years old? Okay,

805
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 2: Kelsey's thirty six. What advice would you give him if

806
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 2: he hasn't made a decision about next year?

807
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 7: If he hasn't made a decision, By the way we were,

808
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 7: I was texting with him yesterday.

809
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 4: He told me, tell you hello, o ohil boys.

810
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think right now he's got a big decision

811
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Speaker 7: to make. Obviously, he can still play, he's still putting

812
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 7: up numbers, is getting it done in it It ain't what

813
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 7: it used to be, and everybody knows that, but I

814
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 7: think for him it's it's it's also what do you

815
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 7: come back for?

816
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 4: You have to look at that.

817
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 7: I mean, obviously the quarterback going down with pat is

818
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 7: are they rebuilding now? Probably heading towards that way? You

819
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 7: can you know, it's a tough decision. But for him,

820
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 7: what an amazing career. And I don't know what if

821
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 7: I was in his situation, I know what.

822
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Speaker 4: I would do.

823
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 2: Are you going to the wedding?

824
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 4: No, I don't think so, really think I didn't get

825
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 4: an invite, but.

826
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 2: Well no, I don't know if anybody's got invites. It's early,

827
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 2: it's a it's a.

828
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Speaker 4: If I was invited, absolutely I would go.

829
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Speaker 2: Okay, maybe a plus one I'll go with you. Yeah,

830
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: let's go to ten Rhode Island.

831
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 4: Is it in Rhode Island? I didn't know that. So

832
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 4: you got insight scooped.

833
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 2: Sources close to me tell me, yeah, that at jen

834
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Speaker 2: Rhode Island.

835
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 4: Uh.

836
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 2: What does this game tomorrow night come down to?

837
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 4: In your opinion, Sam Donald?

838
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 7: I think, I think, I think that's really it is.

839
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: The jury still out on Sam Donald.

840
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 4: I think in.

841
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 7: Big games, absolutely absolutely, and it should be That's the

842
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 7: way it should be until you show that you can

843
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 7: show up in the play. And this is any young

844
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 7: any quarterback out there, this is what I always say.

845
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 2: You can do.

846
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 4: Even like Drake May, you can.

847
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 7: You can say, hey, you're playing so well, such good football,

848
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 7: and I agree with you you're doing well, but let's

849
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 7: see what you do come playoff time. Ca the big

850
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 7: time games, big time stakes. Are you gonna be able

851
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 7: to control the ball? You're not gonna You're not gonna

852
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 7: turn it over. You're gonna be able to leave your team.

853
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 7: That's what the great ones do. That's what separates the

854
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 7: great ones from the from from average quarterbacks average good quarterbacks.

855
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 4: And so we'll see what sam Donal can do tomorrow.

856
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 7: He cannot go out there and throw four in the

857
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 7: steps is like he did last time. He's got to

858
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 7: play well because they've got a very good football. They

859
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 7: have a super Bowl team. If he plays well, this

860
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 7: team could win the Super Bowl.

861
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 2: Seems like there's a push happened yesterday with the NFL,

862
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: like now we got to start looking at these playing

863
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 2: surfaces and uh, you know he had the non contact

864
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: with Micah you know Patrick, obviously that was an injury

865
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 2: by contact. But what is the disconnect here? Is it

866
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 2: just owners are cheap and don't want to pony up

867
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 2: to get the best playing surfaces.

868
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 7: You know, owners are they're interested in saving money and

869
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 7: making money. Uh you know it's like the whole are

870
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 7: we gonna have eighteen games? I think that would be sillyupid,

871
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 7: but we always the name of money.

872
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, huh we are having eighteen games?

873
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think well, I think that's silly. I think

874
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 4: it's stupid. I don't understand it.

875
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 7: You look at guys are dropping my flies anyway as

876
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 7: it is right now, I don't understand why you would

877
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 7: want an extra game. But yeah, the surface, that's another

878
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 7: thing too. What is the safest surface out there? They

879
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 7: have data to prove it that grass is the best.

880
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 7: You can do it if you have, you know, just

881
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 7: put Pody up the extra money. You're making a lot

882
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 7: of money anyway. I don't understand it, but I guess

883
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 7: you know. Also, I don't own a football team.

884
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 2: I got some information yesterday and and I don't know

885
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 2: if it's been made public. PAULI have you Did you

886
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 2: see that information that I sent to you guys on

887
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: the injuries with the different playing surfaces. I didn't see

888
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 2: that out there. So it actually had it ranked surfaces

889
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: with acls, achilles, other injuries. So each category and all

890
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: of these stadiums, so it would either be low, medium,

891
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 2: or high risk and it's out there. That information is there,

892
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: and it's that specific each category. It would be like

893
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 2: Achilles tears, ACLS, sprained ankles. I mean, crazy, do you

894
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: want nat? Do you want regular grass? Is that what

895
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 2: you would want to play on regular glass.

896
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 7: I think you ask any planner, they all prefer grass.

897
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 7: It's easier on your body. It's just it's natural. It

898
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 7: gives that's the stuff you want to play on for sure,

899
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 7: without without a question.

900
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 2: I think you mentioned Seattle can go to the Super Bowl.

901
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 2: How good are the Rams?

902
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 4: Rams right now? They give my top nod.

903
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 7: A complete football team, and I loved how they've evolved.

904
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 4: Sean McVay is such a good coach.

905
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 7: They're using that heavy personnelity, using those two running backs

906
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 7: with Blake and Kyrien like it is. It's fun to

907
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 7: watch the schemes that he keeps coming up with. Than

908
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 7: Matthew Stafford. You protect him and he'll give you the world.

909
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 7: You know, he'll go out there and play at this.

910
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 7: He'll probably get the MVP this year. The defense looks great.

911
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 7: This is and they're still pretty young too. I mean,

912
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 7: they're gonna be pretty good for a while.

913
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 4: Right now.

914
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 7: For sure, they seem to be the most complete team

915
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 7: out there. Because of the way Matthew Stafford is playing

916
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 7: that it makes them very dangerous, specially obviously in the NFC.

917
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 4: I think that's they're the best team.

918
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 2: I forget who it was we had an analyst on

919
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: last week and they talked about the difference when you

920
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 2: get older at quarterback, like Aaron Rodgers doesn't want to

921
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 2: get hit. You know, you play because you're like, damn,

922
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 2: this is gonna hurt when you're younger. But then you

923
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: get older and you're like, uh, I know this is

924
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 2: gonna hurt. I'm not going to take take the hit,

925
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 2: and you play differently. But as a player who gets

926
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: hit on every play, how do you view your quarterback

927
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 2: when he hangs in there and knows that extra split

928
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 2: second it's he's gonna get crushed, but it could mean

929
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: a touchdown.

930
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 7: Yeah, That's that's where you have all the respect in

931
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 7: the world. And Matthew Stafford is one of the toughest

932
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 7: damn quarterbacks they ever played the position. The way he

933
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 7: goes out there and puts his body on the line

934
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 7: and keeps coming back, and it makes you want to

935
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 7: play harder for that guy. It makes you trust that,

936
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,439
Speaker 7: it makes you love that guy, and that all goes

937
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 7: into winning. And you've got a guy who's gonna put

938
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 7: his body online to get the win. You'll go to

939
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 7: the distance, You'll do whatever it takes for him.

940
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 2: Have fun tomorrow night. Thanks again for joining us. Tone,

941
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: Thank you guys, appreciate man. That's Tony Gonzalez, Hall of Famer.

942
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,719
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943
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944
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945
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946
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Speaker 2: Comment away. Reggie Aloysius Miller Junior, the third Hall of

958
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 2: Famer NBC Sports NBA Lead game Analyst. I'll start with this,

959
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 2: should they will they hang a banner in the garden

960
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 2: after winning the Cup?

961
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 4: Yes, they will, They absolutely they should. Yes, this is

962
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 4: a big moment for the Knicks. I think it's a

963
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 4: big moment for any team. Now, remember in the inaugural season.

964
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 4: When the Lakers won it, there was a lot of

965
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 4: ringling from the Lakers side of We're not gonna hang

966
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 4: out an end season championship banner. All we paying is

967
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 4: championship banners and re tired numbers. What did the Lakers

968
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 4: end up doing hanging a banner in crypto? So, yes,

969
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 4: absolutely if I'm the Knicks, because this is a great

970
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 4: building block for what's to come down the road. And

971
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 4: you can always revert back and look up into the

972
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 4: rafters and see that end season tournament banner hanging there

973
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 4: and say, hey, as a team, this is something that

974
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 4: we achieved, and this is something we have bigger goals.

975
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 4: Don't get me wrong with winning a championship, but this

976
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 4: is a building block for this team.

977
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,479
Speaker 2: All right, let me play conspiracy theorist. Do you think

978
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 2: maybe the commissioner asked the Lakers to hang the banner,

979
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: encourage them, we want this to be important, we want

980
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: this to be bigger, and probably would say that to

981
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 2: the Knicks.

982
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, I think it came down from the top. Yes,

983
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 4: So I think Commissioner Silver talked to the bus family

984
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 4: and said, basically, hang this banner because everyone else will

985
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 4: fall in line, MI, Milwaukee has done it. They won

986
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 4: last year. My only cautionary tale to this is the

987
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 4: last two winners of this tournament never got past the

988
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 4: second round. Again, this is an early sample size, but

989
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 4: the Lakers didn't get past the second round in the

990
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 4: playoffs two years ago. Milwaukee didn't get past the second

991
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 4: round in the playoffs a year ago. Again, small sample size.

992
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 4: But to me, the Knick or excuse me, the Yeah,

993
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 4: the Knicks are a better team than those last two champions.

994
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 4: I believe so in the East is not as dominant

995
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 4: as the West. So I think the Knicks are sitting

996
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 4: pretty good right now.

997
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 2: Do you feel robbed that you didn't get a chance

998
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: to play for the Cup?

999
00:47:58,560 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 4: No?

1000
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 7: One.

1001
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 4: I think it's a cool concept. I was being, Oh,

1002
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 4: I mean not really, do you.

1003
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 2: Get I mean, I think when you went to the

1004
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 2: finals and you guys lost, does the second place team

1005
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: get anything?

1006
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 4: A pat on the bat?

1007
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 2: That's it. You don't get a you don't get a

1008
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 2: runner up banner?

1009
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 4: Are you kidding me?

1010
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be something you would put in the rafters?

1011
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 2: That absolutely not.

1012
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 4: I would not put a runner up banner in at

1013
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 4: the time. Casco field House now is game bridge. Absolutely not.

1014
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 4: We have Eastern Conference champion banners I believe hanging in there. Okay,

1015
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 4: but I would not absolutely not. Am I going to

1016
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 4: put a runner up banner up? Absolutely? That would be

1017
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 4: painful to watch Theodore to look up every that's painful.

1018
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 2: But putting the Eastern confer friend's banner up is kind

1019
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 2: of saying we finished runner up.

1020
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 4: There you go up, you know.

1021
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 2: I I do like what this tournament meant for the

1022
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 2: Spurs because you want to play in some important games

1023
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 2: before you get to the playoffs. It's a young team,

1024
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 2: and I think playing in a big game, playing in Vegas,

1025
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,720
Speaker 2: playing for some extra money, and playing for the cup.

1026
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 2: In all seriousness, I think this is really something that

1027
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 2: could be beneficial for this Spurs team.

1028
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 4: What do you think, lad who did Milwaukee beat in

1029
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 4: the NBA Cup a year ago? I believe they are

1030
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 4: the current NBA champions. Am I correct? Building for young teams?

1031
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 4: So if you're the Spurs, you beat the Lakers in

1032
00:49:55,719 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 4: La Luca Lebron Austin Reevez, then not only that, you

1033
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 4: beat the defending champs in Vegas in the semi final

1034
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 4: game are great game? And then you lose in the

1035
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 4: Finals to the Knicks. If you're if you're Wimby and crew,

1036
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 4: these are great building blocks for our young team. And

1037
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 4: on top of that, Wimby's on minis restrictions, so we

1038
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 4: didn't see the full capability of him. If I'm the Spurs,

1039
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 4: I'm in a great position right now.

1040
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 2: How many teams can win the West? Five?

1041
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 4: Okay, see Denver Houston. A lot would have to happen

1042
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 4: with the Lakers, but they can four. I would say

1043
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 4: those four. Four.

1044
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 2: So I got the only careers you got thunder Nuggets, Rockets, Lakers.

1045
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 2: So these are the best odds as of today that

1046
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: the best starts with four teams in the West. Thunder Nuggets, Rockets, Lakers, Knicks, Pistons, Cabs, Spurs.

1047
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 2: So yeah, four teams, four teams.

1048
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 6: All right.

1049
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 4: The only thing on that odds list I would probably

1050
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 4: put lower, just because I have not liked how they

1051
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 4: played all season long, is the Cleveland Cavaliers. Very disappointing

1052
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 4: start to the season in my opinion, this is a

1053
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 4: team that had the second best overall record a year ago,

1054
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 4: they ran away with the Eastern Conference, and they were

1055
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 4: very disappointing in the playoffs, losing to my beloved Indiana

1056
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 4: Pacers in the second round, but they have not shown

1057
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 4: any fight or desire. I know injuries have been a

1058
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 4: little bit a part of it, but I've been very

1059
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 4: disappointed not to say that they can't. Right now, Detroit

1060
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 4: the Knicks are the two clear cut favorites in the East.

1061
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 4: Orlando is kind of looking over their shoulder a little bit,

1062
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 4: and then to me, this is where Cleveland falls in

1063
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 4: a little bit.

1064
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the window of opportunity for the Knicks

1065
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,760
Speaker 2: because now Detroit was a surprise last year. They've played

1066
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 2: really well, been consistent. The Cavs are a disappointment, Boston's

1067
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 2: banged up, Sixers banged up, So it feels like this

1068
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 2: is the year for the Knicks to go to the

1069
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: NBA Finals.

1070
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 4: I would be absolutely shocked if the Knicks do not

1071
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 4: represent the East.

1072
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 2: Okay, now, Dan, there's a lot of.

1073
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 4: Work to be done, and I love how Detroit has

1074
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 4: started the season and how they've played, But it comes

1075
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 4: down to this, and these two teams faced one another

1076
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 4: in last year's playoffs. Do you trust Kay Cunningham and

1077
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 4: Detroit in these big moments? Because I've seen, we've seen

1078
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 4: Jalen Brunson against Detroit in Detroit, I just trust the

1079
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 4: Knicks more. And you could say what you want about

1080
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 4: Brunson and Karl Anthony Towns defensively. Give me Josh Hart,

1081
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 4: give me o g give me the Carol Bridges, give

1082
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 4: me Deuce. I just trust those dudes more come playoff time,

1083
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 4: because I know at the end of the day, the

1084
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 4: ball is going to be in the hands of Jalen Brunson,

1085
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 4: and the dude just delivers. I just trust the Knicks more.

1086
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 4: Not to say that Detroit can beat them, because they

1087
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 4: certainly can, but Durham is going to have to continue

1088
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 4: to outshine and outplay cat, which he didn't do in

1089
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 4: last year's playoffs. So I just trust the Knicks more

1090
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 4: at this point, at this point because Detroit has to

1091
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 4: show me. They just have to show me.

1092
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 2: Did you know that there's a movie based on Dennis

1093
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 2: Rodman when he left the Bulls to go to Vegas?

1094
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 4: Right, And I heard they changed the league guy. It

1095
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 4: was Jonathan Major who was supposed to play Rodman, And

1096
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 4: now I believe it's.

1097
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:10,720
Speaker 2: Like the Keys Stamp.

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00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm in to see that because I've heard I've

1099
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 4: heard stories about that forty eight hours trips.

1100
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 2: For ther What what did you hear?

1101
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 4: Well, I just heard Rodman strip clubs alcohol, uh and

1102
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 4: twenty rebounds and who does that going?

1103
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 2: But how surprised are you? How surprised are you that

1104
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 2: Phil Jackson let this happen and Michael Jordan allowed this

1105
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 2: to happen.

1106
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 4: Why aren't we living in a different time? Could you

1107
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 4: imagine if there was TikTok and Instagram back then what

1108
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 4: this would have looked like. Okay, I mean again, I'm

1109
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 4: sure they sat down Dennis and recanted all the stories

1110
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,720
Speaker 4: and stuff and that's how they come up with the script.

1111
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 4: But we've we've could have we could have solved this

1112
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 4: in live time with Instagram and in Twitter and all

1113
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 4: that was.

1114
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 2: But I think Michael Jordan said, if we let him

1115
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 2: go to Vegas, she's not coming back in the last Yeah.

1116
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 2: But but in the in the when they were deciding on, hey,

1117
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 2: he needs to blow off some steam, we're going to

1118
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 2: let him go to Vegas, Like I can't imagine that

1119
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 2: Jordan would allow that to happen.

1120
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 4: Let me ask you a question, this is what I

1121
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 4: don't know. In that dog did they end up winning

1122
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 4: the championship that year? The season that this happened, yes, okay,

1123
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 4: end of line. I think at the end of the day,

1124
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 4: Mike knew as long as Dennis is happy, because Dinnis

1125
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 4: only really had two things. Rebound and get underneath the

1126
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 4: skin of Carl Malone. That was it. That was his

1127
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,919
Speaker 4: job with scripts and play defense. But I mean his job.

1128
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 4: It wasn't like he had to carry the scoring load

1129
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 4: like Mike in that time.

1130
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 2: Scott, it's still amazing when you look at at Rodman

1131
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 2: from you know, this springy kid with the Pistons to

1132
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 2: then becoming one of the faces of the NBA dating Madonna,

1133
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 2: coloring his hair and he couldn't wait to play against

1134
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 2: Karl Malone. Like it was still an amazing story when

1135
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 2: you think about it. He wasn't a big time recruit,

1136
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 2: not a score. He was a scorer in college, but

1137
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 2: you know, when he got to the pros, it's like,

1138
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 2: I don't care. I didn't even want to shoot free throws.

1139
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 4: I think the Bad Boys did a good job of

1140
00:56:54,800 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 4: defining his role when he got there, redown and play defense.

1141
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 4: And I think you've heard Isaiah tell this story about,

1142
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 4: you know, when they used to face the Boston Celtics

1143
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 4: and Larry would get upset having Kelly Tripuka and Kurt

1144
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 4: Vincent and those guys trying to guard him, and he'll say,

1145
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 4: you ain't got no brothers regard me. I mean, that's

1146
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 4: that's how very legend was. And then the year they

1147
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 4: brought in Rodman and Isaiah saying I got so we've

1148
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 4: got no one to God do now. And it was

1149
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 4: the worm, So defining his role and him accepting his

1150
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 4: role I think really catapulted his career.

1151
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 2: Talking to Reggie Miller, the Hall of Famer lead analyst

1152
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 2: on NBC Sports, I was watching a video where Isaiah

1153
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 2: Thomas took a swing at Rick Mahorne and I think

1154
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 2: he hit him and Mahorne laughed. So Mahorne is holding

1155
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 2: the ball like people don't may not realize how much

1156
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 2: of a bad dude Rick Mahorne was that. You know,

1157
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 2: we we we focus on Oakley and the Davis brothers,

1158
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 2: but Rick Mahorn was not to be messed with.

1159
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 4: Uh And think about that team Detroit had them all

1160
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 4: at one time, Bill Amber, Buddha, Rick m'horn, he was

1161
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 4: a part of that. I believe that's when he got

1162
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 4: traded or let go, or when he was with Philadelphia

1163
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 4: is when this happened, and it was almost like a

1164
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 4: mosquito hit him in the face when he was holding

1165
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 4: the ball like one of those He didn't even feel it.

1166
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 4: But that's when you could let go of some of

1167
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 4: your anger back in the day. You can't do that now.

1168
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 4: Now you see the whole everyone thinking and acting like

1169
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 4: they're gonna fight. Hold me back, hold me back. I mean,

1170
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 4: if Dylan Brooks and the wrong really wanted to get

1171
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 4: into it, they has gotten into it. But that's that's

1172
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 4: all for show.

1173
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 2: Come on, guys, I mean, who would you take if

1174
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 2: it was Draymond Green and Dylan Brooks in the cage

1175
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 2: in the octagon.

1176
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 4: That's a good one. Oh that's that's a good one.

1177
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 4: I I would take neither. There's one guy I would

1178
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 4: take over all these dudes current player on our tests,

1179
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 4: Oh no longer want to go to mess with my

1180
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 4: dude in the octagon. I'm going with Sir n our Test,

1181
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 4: one of my favorite teammates ever. He might have had

1182
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 4: a few screws, but I absolutely loved playing with. Our

1183
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 4: practices were better than the games because you I've never

1184
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 4: seen anything want to play. First of all, I've never

1185
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 4: seen anyone play defense like this before. He was so

1186
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 4: gifted defensively, but he was tougher than I mean.

1187
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 8: I talked about my Davis boys, but I wish I

1188
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 8: would I had wrong when I had my superpowers when

1189
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 8: I was younger, I got long when you know, it

1190
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 8: was really Jermaine's team.

1191
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 4: If I would have had him in my younger days,

1192
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 4: maybe I would have some damn jewelry. Maybe he would

1193
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 4: have been my wrong. See, I would have let him go.

1194
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 2: Wait, I would have let him do what you wanted

1195
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 2: to do. If I if Ron had to go to Vegas,

1196
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 2: but I thought Alvin Robertson's the one guy nobody wanted

1197
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 2: to mess with.

1198
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 4: No, we didn't. Ron and Alvin Robertson. Those dudes, now,

1199
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 4: that would be a cage man. I would put money

1200
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 4: on that. That's pay per view right there, pay per view.

1201
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 2: I love that. Your your buddy, Mark Jackson tells the

1202
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 2: story that he was playing dice and they were they

1203
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 2: were like fixed dice and Albert Robert Alvin Robertson was

1204
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 2: winning all the money. But Mark said that everybody was

1205
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 2: afraid of him. They weren't going to call him on that.

1206
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 4: They were going to challenge him no one was going

1207
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 4: to challenge him. They knew they were getting cheated skim,

1208
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 4: but no one was going to say anything to Alvin.

1209
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,919
Speaker 4: That was the first thing. John Law, John Long, who

1210
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 4: was my mentor. Yeah, do not look say suggest anything

1211
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 4: to Alban Robertson. Just let it go. If he fouls you,

1212
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 4: you say my.

1213
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 2: Bad when he fouls you. Back in the good old days,

1214
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 2: you know, back in the.

1215
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 4: Good old days. So when basketball was just clean and fun.

1216
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 2: Well, Vernon Maxwell, Vernon Maxwell's in that category. Two.

1217
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 4: He he's a loose screw too. And I love the

1218
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 4: part of those shooting guards you did not want to

1219
01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 4: mess with. I love me some bads. I love me

1220
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 4: some mad mats h.

1221
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 2: Happy holidays to you. Great to talk to you again.

1222
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 4: Thanks, Happy holidays, Theodore, and to my dan Ants, I

1223
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 4: love you guys. Oh ho ho.

1224
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 2: That's Reggie Aloishous Miller Junior. The third