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Speaker 1: Yeah, Friday, October first, twenty twenty one. Let me tell you, God,

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's a good way of putting it. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: Yes. Yes, I've never backed down from a fight, Luke,

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Speaker 1: All right, that's the show for us this week. No,

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Speaker 2: Let's bang two?

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Speaker 2: Like it's just brilliant. And Jiago Santo's how many great

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Speaker 2: including explosivity along the way. Now, he fought good fighters

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Speaker 1: Look on paper, it's batshit crazy. That's why we love it.

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Speaker 1: And the fact that I think you identified it properly

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Speaker 1: and now you've got a thirty seven year old Maheta,

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Speaker 1: And it's tough because I agree with you. I don't

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Speaker 1: At least he would have been beating first guy to

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if you listened to Johnny Walker

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Speaker 2: You I missed it? What do you say?

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Speaker 1: He basically said, I need to go to hell. I

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Speaker 1: how I want to win this fight. He's like, I

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Speaker 1: absolute fireworks and huge swings of momentum from these two. Now,

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying, I'm gonna spread the risk around a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's not forget the maheto was that guy who

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Speaker 1: that was a run. I just don't think he's that

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Speaker 2: then Taco Santos can like sit you down with one

431
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 2: if he has to. But I just feel like there's

432
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,680
Speaker 2: gonna be at least one scenario in this fight where

433
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 2: someone does get hit, but it's not the one hit

434
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,920
Speaker 2: or quitter. It's where they put someone on skates and

435
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 2: then the three stooges skit begins to catch an emotion,

436
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,639
Speaker 2: because that's what happened with Ryan Span, and ultimately it

437
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,160
Speaker 2: didn't work for Ryan Span. He over pursued and got

438
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,680
Speaker 2: hammer fisted along the fence into being finished. Like dude,

439
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 2: he was winning it and just until he wasn't. So

440
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 2: that's when that's one of these scenarios where like, I

441
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,199
Speaker 2: feel like this is a little bit different but in

442
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,359
Speaker 2: many ways kind of similar to the Ryan Span Johnny

443
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:42,880
Speaker 2: Walker fight.

444
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 1: Luke, what do you think you know? I mean, the

445
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 1: winner of this is is going to be in the mix.

446
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,359
Speaker 1: But what's the future looking like at this weight class

447
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,639
Speaker 1: in your eyes? When we have Janblohoitz defending against Glover

448
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 1: to share a Next, you've got Prohatsko ranked two, Ratkitch

449
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 1: rink three, your boy Anthony's Smith coming off a win,

450
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: rinked fourth in Maheta's five by the way, Johnny Walker ten.

451
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 1: So you see the importance of this. Obviously, the upside

452
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: in the short term with a win is is Maheta

453
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 1: at number five to get back in there. How big

454
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 1: of a name could he get off of this with

455
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 1: a win.

456
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 2: I still think that the UFC brass are probably gonna

457
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. You can't just beat Johnny Walker, right

458
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,439
Speaker 2: if you get a win over him where he walks

459
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 2: into something, it's a nice win for Thiago Santos and

460
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 2: it counts, and it's it's not like it's in any

461
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:36,120
Speaker 2: way illegitimate. But UFC brass probably have some question about

462
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 2: the guy, like what is left with him after everything

463
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 2: he's gone through and the age he's at and everything else,

464
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 2: Like I mean, the surgeries he had did he had

465
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 2: both of his knees were completely destroyed. It took a

466
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 2: long time to come back from that, and so again

467
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 2: even though he was ready to fight, maybe he actually

468
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 2: wasn't ready. It took some time, so I think they're

469
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 2: just trying to figure out what they've got. You can't

470
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 2: just beat Johnny Walker. If you're getting bludgeoned and you

471
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 2: throw like eyes closed Haymaker and it lands. You gotta

472
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 2: show that you got some life. You gotta show. And

473
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 2: by the way, if he shows he's got some life

474
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 2: even in a loss where you know, there's a way

475
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,640
Speaker 2: you could kind of say, Okay, it didn't go his way,

476
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 2: but I'm definitely seeing improvens. There's a lot of ways

477
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 2: he can improve his stock. But it's gonna take It's

478
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 2: gonna take some time to get back to Like I mean,

479
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 2: the Rackags fight wasn't close, right, it wasn't close, So

480
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 2: like to get back to a title shot, you're gonna

481
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 2: have to go through several I think of these guys again,

482
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 2: you know, I think.

483
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: The fight for for for Santos here maybe win or lose,

484
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 1: maybe you know, win or maybe lose, but look good.

485
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 1: It's another man on a three fight losing skid who

486
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 1: was once super elite in who he thought might actually

487
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 1: have beaten John Jones. And that's Dominic rayesli number six

488
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: in your rank.

489
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 2: He's lost three in a row. Yes, Jesus, how did

490
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 2: I not realize that?

491
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,360
Speaker 1: Well, thereat title and then he was in that absolute

492
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: war with with what Perhotsko?

493
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, which Perhatchka won, and that's that would be two.

494
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 2: So what's the third? All the Jones one? Well, I

495
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 2: thought he won the Jones fight. But okay, to your point, yes,

496
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 2: it's a three fight losing streak. That's interesting. I don't

497
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 2: really thought of it. Yeah, that's dude. It's in my

498
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 2: mind so much that rey has won that fight that

499
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 2: I forgot that the council is a loss. It's a loss.

500
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 2: You gotta count it. So that's it.

501
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 1: There was a period there, Luke, where I thought Johnny

502
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 1: Reyes was climbing up your dick rankings, like at almost

503
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 1: an Anthony Smith level pace, Like you love Anthony Smith,

504
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: You freaking love yourself some Volkanovski and Atisnia like these

505
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: are the mount Rushmoores of like on your ceiling when

506
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 1: you lay down that night, and you're just like, man,

507
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: I fucking love these guys. I thought Don Reyes was

508
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 1: getting carved, like they were carving out some face room

509
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 1: for him up there, whereas I got Rose and yo

510
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 1: wanna and you know, well.

511
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 2: I'll say I'll say this for Dominic Reyes. I mean,

512
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 2: obviously he's got some work to do to get back

513
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 2: to where he was. But the thing that I thought

514
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 2: that was really it was a two part process that

515
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 2: got me kind of sympathetic to him. One was that

516
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 2: I thought he fairly won, and then I thought the

517
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 2: Texas judges did him no favors. And like again we

518
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: go back to like forg about the arrest, which I

519
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 2: know you cannot but listen for just a moment time

520
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 2: out on that and just talking about John Jones at heavyweight.

521
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: Everyone just assumed there was gonna be this coronation like okay,

522
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 2: well the heavyweights an't going to fight him exactly like

523
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 2: Dominic ray Is. But dude, Dominic ray Is just gave

524
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 2: him a shit ton of problems like this, and they

525
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 2: didn't do all that great against Anthony Smith, and he

526
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 2: didn't do all that great against Thiago Santo's like this

527
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 2: idea that he was just going to go to heavyweight

528
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 2: and beat the fuck out of everybody, like as an

529
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 2: assumed thing. I'm like, did you not watch these fights?

530
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 2: Because they were they were close, and I thought he

531
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 2: lost the right rays one. The other part was hol

532
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 2: Reyes did it using motion to create openings and and

533
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 2: that kind of a thing. Like I really thought that

534
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 2: was a really admirable thing that he did in terms

535
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 2: of advancing his game. And he only been fighting professionally

536
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 2: since why twenty fourteen or something, So that was just

537
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 2: a really standout performance to me that wasn't properly honored.

538
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 2: And sometimes you know, you can assume that you get

539
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 2: a littlehead of yourself. But I still think he's very talented.

540
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 2: He's got some big wins in his future.

541
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: So well, just to close on this fight, I when

542
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 1: I know it's going to be crazy, I do tend

543
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: to go with the guy I think who has the

544
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: biggest weapon on the battlefield. I think that's Maheta here.

545
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with him to knock out Johnny Walker.

546
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,239
Speaker 1: Do you have a feel either way? I know you're

547
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: a little bit of a absolute bitch when it comes

548
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: to this part of the game, but do you have

549
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: a feel either way?

550
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: Again, this is one you have to admit, dude, If

551
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 2: you were betting, you might avoid this one, right.

552
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, Well bet the under bet the under for sure,

553
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that much.

554
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 2: I guess I will slightly lean toward now, you know what,

555
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,719
Speaker 2: I'll pick the upset. I'll take Walker. I feel like

556
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 2: Santos is in trouble. I recognize he could end it

557
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,719
Speaker 2: at a moment Dude, I completely recognize he could end

558
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 2: it at a moment's notice. But I'll take I'll take

559
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 2: the I'll take the underdog here.

560
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: What do you think about the reports that this is true?

561
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: Michelle Paedada is in Johnny Walker's corner on his team

562
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 1: ahead of this fight. I mean, this is like they're

563
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: just gonna rub their crazy balls against each other. Luke,

564
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 1: I don't know what we're gonna see after this.

565
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: Can't hurt to have a guy like that telling you

566
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 2: what to do in that part of the game. But

567
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: how much that will mat Dude, It's like, Oh, I've

568
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: got this scientist in my corner. I got this guy

569
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: in my corner, I got this expert in my corner. Right,

570
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: But dude, the donker restarts every time one of all

571
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 2: gets hit, Like, what good are they? I mean, here

572
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: are they? Once the three stooges gets into fucking you know?

573
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: You know that kind of as well, add coach Lotti.

574
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: You know you're doing You're doing great, Mike, You're doing great.

575
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: All right? You look great? Yeah, all right, Luke, your coleman.

576
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: Event are middleweights. Kevin Holland enters as a betting favorite

577
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: at minus one six ' five despite a two fight

578
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: losing skid against Derek Brunston and Marvin Vattori. When he

579
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: welcomes Philadelphia's own and the brother of heavyweight Chris Daucas,

580
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: it's Kyle Daucas plus one forty five. Luke, this should

581
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: be an interesting clash here. When you look at their styles,

582
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: what do you think we're gonna see?

583
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 2: I think I have a lot of respect for Kyle Daucas.

584
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: I think of well, well, Chris is making a better

585
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 2: run for himself recently. But I have to tell you, like,

586
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: I feel like when you look at Daucas's game, it's

587
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: well rounded, it's smart, it's modern. He's big for the

588
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 2: way class Kevin Holland is too, So you got both

589
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: guys sitting at six ' three, But I don't feel

590
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 2: he's really maximized his potential yet. And I think part

591
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 2: of the reason why they made this fight is that

592
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: Daucas has a lot of different tricks in a lot

593
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 2: of different portions of the game, but one area where

594
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 2: he can be a little bit behind the eight ball

595
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: I think to this point is his takedown accuracy is

596
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: not very high. I think it's like sub thirty percent.

597
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 2: So when that's the case, by the way, that isn't like, oh,

598
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: that sounds like Solow. Shouldn't it be seventy eighty. No,

599
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: Habib was less than fifty. He was still high forties.

600
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: The point being is you don't have to get every

601
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: single takedown attempt. And if you look at like Robert

602
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: Whitaker's numbers, they're pretty low too, because a lot of

603
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: those takedown attempts they look like takedown attempts technically they are,

604
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: but they're set up for strikes or just to turn you.

605
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: They're not really designed to take you down. So even

606
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: with that number, pump the brakes on what the implications

607
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: or still the tape shows it as well, it's not

608
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: his strongest asset. So if you're Kevin Holland and you've

609
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: had wake up call after a wake up call after

610
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: wake up call about the need to work on this,

611
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: you have an opponent who still is probably going to

612
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: try to take you down. That's not the best part

613
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: of his game. He has other parts of his game,

614
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: by the way, that you cannot lose sight of. I

615
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 2: think he can stand with Holland at least four short

616
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: periods if he can make, you know, rough it up

617
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: in the middle and then get a takedown or whatever

618
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: over time. This is the right kind of fight for

619
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: either guy, because one guy needs to level up past

620
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 2: what they've been doing to beat the other guy. Right.

621
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: This is the one where it's like, Okay, I've done

622
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,719
Speaker 2: my homework all right, now you got to do it

623
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 2: on the pop quiz. Now you got to show it.

624
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: If you say you did it before, this is the

625
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: time to bring that to bear. It's actually really smart

626
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: matchmaking and I like it a lot. I think it's

627
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: a great fight.

628
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is I mean, we're not officially in put

629
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: up or shut up time for Holland. He had taken

630
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: fights last minute. I mean, look, he's a crazy man.

631
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: Don't fight anybody at any time. But you're coming off

632
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: with two fights hit against elite fighters. Now you're sort

633
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: of taking a little bit of a step down here.

634
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: Kyle Dawcas just remind you has lost two of three

635
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: against Brendan Allen and against Phil Dawes, so both could

636
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: use a win. This is an opportunity for Kevin Holland

637
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: to get back in the good graces of where he

638
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: was in that opportunistic twenty twenty Luke, where he was

639
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: fighting anybody at any time and putting together, you know,

640
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: one win after another. He was kind of a fun

641
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: surprise story. This should be fun. The odds are close.

642
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: It's telling you how well this is matched. And Luke

643
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: the fight right before this.

644
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: All quickly, I'll just say this. I'll just say this

645
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: for Kevin halland real fast to end on this. Sorry

646
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 2: to cut you off, just very quickly. You can say

647
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: this very cleanly, Kyle, excuse me. Kevin Holland has beaten

648
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: better guys. That doesn't mean he will. He's automatically a

649
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: shoe in for Saturday, but I want to give him credit.

650
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: The wins that Dawcas has are interesting, and that loss

651
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 2: to Brendan Allen, Like, I think Brendan Allen's a very

652
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 2: good fighter. So it's like you can let that go.

653
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: So it is Phil Hawes, but like at some point

654
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: you got to beat one of those two to level up.

655
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: You know, he was getting beat but Kevin Holland fuck

656
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 2: knocked out Jockeray, like yeah, and he beat Darren Stewart

657
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: I think as well, Like those are good fighters he

658
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: beat there.

659
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: He won five times in twenty twenty. I mean that

660
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: was a that was a you know, welcome to the

661
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: uh to the feature role here. So you know, I

662
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: think that's why he's favored here, better better competition. You know,

663
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: he's got he's got a little go get it too, Luke.

664
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: And it's not that Daucas doesn't. I mean Dawks's brother

665
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: certainly has, but this is really a you know, a

666
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: big opportunity for either one. I mean, in a comain

667
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: spot here and Luke, I love love the matchmaking in

668
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: the Walter Wait tilt before that, when the wild man

669
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: Nico Price coming off a winless stretch in three fights,

670
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: but a stretch in which he's trying to reinvent himself

671
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: post quitting marijuana, Luke and really dedicating himself. At age

672
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: thirty two, he'll be a minus one seventy favorite against

673
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: Alex Cowboy Olivera himself on a two fight losing skid.

674
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: Plus one point fifty is Olivera, Luke, Nico Price is

675
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: one of those dudes that you know, you can tell

676
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,719
Speaker 1: me every fight that you're gonna be a little bit

677
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: more find and serious and mature. Well, bro, you like

678
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: to bang. It's like, you know, it's like look in

679
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: all seriousness, you know.

680
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: You know.

681
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: One of the first times I knew John Jones was

682
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: gonna have issues. I think it was after the cocaine test.

683
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: I interviewed him at it. He came into ESPN and

684
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: he's like, uh, Bretto Komodo is not interviewing me. So

685
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, we got this other dude, this editor BC,

686
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: he'll do it. And then John was like, you know what, man,

687
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: I quit the drugs and stuff, but I still just

688
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,239
Speaker 1: love hanging out at clubs with my boys. So you know,

689
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: we're trying our best to do it the safe way.

690
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: And I'm just like John, like, you can't hang out

691
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: at clubs when you got issues. And it's like, you know,

692
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: this is like Nico Price saying, man, you know, whores

693
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: are a bad thing for me. But bro, the architecture

694
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: of these brothel houses, like I just can't get away

695
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: from it. Luke, this man will bang on Saturday against

696
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: Cowboy Olivera because that's what that guy does. You don't

697
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: take a hooker out for dinner, Luke. Okay, these two

698
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: are gonna consummate for our pleasure.

699
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: It's a weird way of describing the fight, but what

700
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 2: I would say is Olivera just won't let him. Olivera

701
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 2: is not going to have a fight on the outside

702
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: where they can just do their best Volkanovski impressions, you

703
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: know what I mean. He's gonna get in his face,

704
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: he's gonna rough him up. And Nico Price knows what

705
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 2: he's doing, like he I'm sure has trained all the

706
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 2: very best practices that he needs and obviously has enough

707
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: experience at this point to you know, bring these things

708
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: to bear. And I think in times he really has,

709
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: you know, losing to Luke or whatever. Like you know,

710
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: Luka's a tremendous talent, so no harm, no foul there.

711
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: But I think that Nico Price is probably the more

712
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: talented of the two, and I tend to think he

713
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 2: will win. But a guy like Olivera dude, he'll do

714
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: strange things. He'll try to jump on the back when

715
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 2: he's not supposed to, and most of the time it

716
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 2: won't work, but sometimes it does. Sometimes he'll pull guard.

717
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 2: Most of the time, it doesn't work. Sometimes it does.

718
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 2: He'll wing shots, he'll spin when he's not supposed to.

719
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: But he can also be beaten by pressure. He can

720
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: be beaten by consistent effort. He can be beaten by

721
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: body work. So this is really like a test of price,

722
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 2: like what kind of fight do you want to have?

723
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:00,239
Speaker 1: Have?

724
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 2: And I think you're right PC. Either way fans are

725
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: gonna win. Either you're gonna get a price or I

726
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: think is going to be as scientific as he can

727
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: and maybe he wins, maybe he doesn't, but he's gonna

728
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: apply the game. And I think these two are action

729
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: oriented no matter what, or you're gonna get a price.

730
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: Who just says, fuck it, man, Let's just see what

731
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: happens when we go crazy and it'll be fun.

732
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: His last fight against Michelle Padaeda, you know, is a

733
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: somewhat of a featured fight on the pay per view,

734
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: and he you know, Luke, that turned in I was there,

735
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: It turned into it was I there was I the

736
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: hell there? Luke? What was that UFC two sixty four?

737
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: You might have been the hell card was that?

738
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: You remember? I don't all right, I'll just hijack the

739
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,959
Speaker 1: show for that. That's fine, Okay. Anyway, Luke, that fight

740
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: turned into an absolute war and it was fun as shit,

741
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: and that's sort of what happens. And he fought well

742
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: in that, but he came up emptying a decision. I

743
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: think he's better than Cowboy Olivera. I know people are

744
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 1: getting upset. ABC. We want actual analysis, not just consummation jokes.

745
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: But hey, guys, I followed the news cycle and Luke,

746
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: did you see the news headline that came out of

747
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: the build for this fight? Are you prepared for this?

748
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: Father of eleven children, Cowboy Olivera was asked this week

749
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: when he was told that Nico Price and his wife

750
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: are expecting their sixth child. Olivera was asked what advice

751
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: does he have for Nico now that he's getting up.

752
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: You know they got more than a starting five there

753
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: in the Price household. Luke quote, Olivera said, get a vasectomy.

754
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: Your thoughts. This is not a joke, this is I mean,

755
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: you can I.

756
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: Know, listen, can you imagine like the alimony if you

757
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 2: split with your significant other on that? It's like, dude,

758
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 2: you know, live the life you want to live. But

759
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 2: I'm trying to hold on to my paycheck. Jeez.

760
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: All right. OLIVERA was interviewed by Fighting. His actual quote was,

761
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: I'd tell him, if you can get a sectomy, already,

762
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: do it. Brother. I was sexist. Will it continue the

763
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: same way after surgery? And I got eleven kids? If

764
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: I had done surgery before, I would have only had

765
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: four or five kids. Yeah, but Luke, he wouldn't have

766
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: had eleven times the joy. You know what I'm saying.

767
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: You can't be like, all right, I wish I only

768
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: had five, So on you pick out the six that

769
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: I like the least, right, Luke. You can't do that.

770
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: You can't give them back.

771
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 2: No, no, you can't. I wondered, if you have eleven kids,

772
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: do you really love all eleven the same? Is that

773
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 2: really true?

774
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: It's a fair question. Your dad has three, and we

775
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: wonder that the same, Luke.

776
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think. I think it wore off

777
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: after the second, but we'll see.

778
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: Look who do you think is your dad's favorite? It's

779
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: gotta be your sister, right.

780
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. My sister's the only one of us

781
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: who speaks French because they lived in Paris when she

782
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: was born, and she lived in Paris until she was

783
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 2: eight or nine or something. So yeah, so like they

784
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: got a special thing going on, and me and my brother,

785
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 2: you know, fucking runs on the litter.

786
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: Yo, bro, I know a quick way to win over

787
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: your dad this late in life.

788
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: Just learn Indian, Luke, Learn Indian? What language is Indian?

789
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: The leguage that they speak in India?

790
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: Luke, Yeah, they don't.

791
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: They don't speak India in I apologize for my comedic ignorance, Luke, Yes,

792
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: I know, Okay, thank you.

793
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 2: You should go to Colombia. Speak Colombian to him?

794
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: What a shit train wreck this show has become and

795
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 1: always was. All Right, I like Price in this wipe.

796
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: By the way, it's a really good opportunity for him

797
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: to uh get a much needed win. Luke, how jazzed

798
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: are you? I'm telling you this fight night, card Banks,

799
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,959
Speaker 1: how jazzed are you? On this Middleway till pairing Misha Serkanoff, Increasto,

800
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: Jutkol christof Sorry.

801
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: Uh cirking Off. Both of these guys have a lot

802
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 2: to prove. Kind of Jock Coo is in a different

803
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: position because he's kind of always been Jock Coo was

804
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:42,959
Speaker 2: the guy that Jockko was the He's been that guy

805
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: from Europe who you just kind of like, oh, yeah,

806
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 2: he's like UFC level, but you didn't know if he

807
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: was ever going to be more than just sort of

808
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: a guy who had ability and was important for UFC's

809
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 2: efforts into Europe, Like, how could you could you really

810
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 2: become a top contender with a guy like Serkanoff's. Erkanov

811
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: was a guy who came in with a ton of hype,

812
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 2: trans with fraza hobby the whole nine yards. Remember he

813
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 2: broke Alex Nicholson's jaw trying to U secure a choke,

814
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 2: Like he's got a fucking squeeze and a half. I

815
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: think he's one of two fighters with a Peruvian necktie finish.

816
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: It's amazing, right, but he's had a ton of misfortune

817
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 2: that I don't think. Certainly, I will candidly admit I

818
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: did not see coming. Dude, This is a get right

819
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 2: fight for Jock Coo. This would be the best opponent.

820
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 2: I think you could make a claim he's beaten. Maybe

821
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: that's a little bit debatable, but certainly it would be

822
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: a great win for him at a bare minimum. And

823
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 2: then for Sirkanov, it's like, okay, it's one thing to

824
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: lose to some of the bigger names or to have

825
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: you know, the Johnny Walker fight kind of got you

826
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 2: out of nowhere. Jockco in theory should be one that

827
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: Serkanov wins. But I can you can you say with

828
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 2: confidence BC, you think that's gonna happen? I mean maybe right.

829
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: It'll be a fun fight though, I like you know

830
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: the games will you know they're gonna bang? This is

831
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: gonna be fun this card, it's well matched, Luke. And

832
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: if if you consider that this deep on the main card,

833
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: we also have a women's Bandam weight till that is

834
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: very important here as Aspen Ladd a top contender whose

835
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: delay layoff has now extended almost two full years. Of course,

836
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: she had reconstructive surgery on her I believe her knee,

837
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: and then her comeback fight against Macy Chazon was canceled

838
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: when Macy pulled out due to a leg injury. So

839
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: now we're back at it on Saturday night, Luke, And

840
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: how thin this bandamweight division is. We've been waiting for

841
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: some time to see if lad is for real. Yes,

842
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: she had that very quick knockout loss to Jermaine Durandomy,

843
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: but she rebounded nicely to beat Yanna Kunitskaya and Luke.

844
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: There's a little bit of sauce entering this fight because

845
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: Macy has heard the comments that Aspen talked about regarding

846
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: her pulling out of that fight, and now Macy's like,

847
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: this girl's gonna talk some shit that's classless. I'm gonna

848
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: make her pay for it. And her quote was essentially

849
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 1: that Aspen has done a lot of shit herself. She's

850
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: definitely pulled out of the fights the day of Luke.

851
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: Does this add a little bit of I don't know

852
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: anything that can alter the outcome here as we look

853
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: at Ladd being a minus two to eighty favorite against

854
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 1: plus two twenty five for Chaison.

855
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 2: I don't think so. Chason is big for the weight class.

856
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 2: She's talented. I think that you know, you saw Aspen

857
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: Ladd what she was able to win on the groundgainst

858
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 2: Kunitskaya with a big push towards the end of that fight,

859
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 2: which is interesting against Jason that's going to be much

860
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 2: harder to come by. I think she's much better there.

861
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: I think again, from a frame standpoint, she's naturally bigger.

862
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: So this is interesting for Aspen Ladd, who's been kind

863
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 2: of like, oh, she's the next big thing, and you know,

864
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 2: to lose to Durandome in the way that she did

865
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 2: wear you could argue the stop which was a little

866
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: bit early, but either way, you know, Durandom is one

867
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: of the best strikers ever in women's MMA, and it's

868
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: just a phenomenal talent who has improved herself. The winner

869
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: Kunitskaya was good, but I don't know that really answers

870
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 2: that it's very good. But it does. Does it tell

871
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 2: you that she's got the requisite skills to beat she Essen,

872
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: who I think would probably be Kudotskaya the same kind

873
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: of way, at least in theory. It's an interesting test. Plus,

874
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 2: there's a huge reach disadvantaged sixty six to seventy two inches,

875
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: you know, and as a height different ridge of disadvantage

876
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 2: at five six versus five to eleven. Like, dude, there's

877
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: a lot of This is a big test for aspen Ladd,

878
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: I'll put it that way, dude, this is a you

879
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 2: get you get past Macy Chiassen, who you know, is

880
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: she the best fighter of this division? I don't think

881
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: she is yet. Maybe she will be one day, but

882
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: she's got a lot of different parts of her game.

883
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: With the height the length, the skill in terms of

884
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 2: the ground specifically, I think it's going to give Aspen

885
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: Latd some real problems. I am very curious to see

886
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: what kind of attack she uses to overcome these problems.

887
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 1: I like Macy's cut too. She's got the wild, spiked,

888
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: sort of sideways hair going on, Luke.

889
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: She has a better haircut than you and I will ever.

890
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: That is that is true. I am envious of her haircut.

891
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: That's absolutely true. Macy's ranked eleventh, Aspen led third. But

892
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: of course the long layoff has some questions to answer, Luke.

893
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: Number one seed Jermaine de Random was supposed to be

894
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: fighting Irene Aldana in November, but she pulled out of

895
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: that fight. We know Holly Holmes gotta fight scheduled. So

896
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting because although Amanda Nunas is fighting

897
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: number five Juliana Pana, you wonder if Nunas can be

898
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,479
Speaker 1: headed into a Chevchenko fight after that. So for lad,

899
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna need to package some wins to kind of,

900
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: you know, get back to that point where you're ready

901
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: to find out how great you are. But she needs

902
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: this one first, uh, Luke, I'm not afraid to linger

903
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: on this card. I don't care. You know, you can

904
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: tell me this keep going.

905
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 2: But there's forty four I would like to move on.

906
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: But all right, Luke, one of my favorite fighters of

907
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: all time, betch Kohea, is ready to say good.

908
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 2: Are we doing a breakdown? Seriously?

909
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 1: I mean thirty eight year old banger who has already

910
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: retired but now is back trying to have one more

911
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: to go off on her own terms. Luke, she's a

912
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: plus three seventy five underdog against Carol Rosa, who's minus

913
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 1: five to ten. Luke Bech has won just once, I believe,

914
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: in the nine fights since she lost to Ronde Rouse

915
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: for the title when she lost her unbeaten record. It's

916
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: been not good since then for old betch goo Hey.

917
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: I remember when she talked Tolly holmesome trash. She was like,

918
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: come on, come on, you know you're gonna come, Holly,

919
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: come on, Luke, and then she got head kicked to

920
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: the other side of hell. But Luke, that celebration dance

921
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: that she does, I mean, it's it's chev Chenko like, right,

922
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: except it's a little more racy. It's actually a lot

923
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: more racy. Luke. Do you think we will see you? Bet?

924
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 2: You do?

925
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: That one more time.

926
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 2: Probably not, probably not. I feel like when you're this

927
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: late in your run, with all the known issues that

928
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 2: she has, there's still a lot that is unknown about

929
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 2: Rosa's upside that you know. I don't think they have

930
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: any mutual opponents either, so it's a little hard. Yeah,

931
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 2: I'll go with Carol ros I. I tend to think

932
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: that Betchkheya is probably you know, to be fair to

933
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 2: bet she days are probably over.

934
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: Since the Rousy loss in twenty fifteen, betches two and

935
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: four with one draw, So it's been uh, it's it's

936
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: been a difficult run there. She had some split decision wins,

937
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: but not that great. All Right, I'm gonna be tuned in.

938
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be looking at that, Luke, anything you're into,

939
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to speak for what you're in. I mean,

940
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: And Tanina Chefchenko's back as an underdog against Casey O'Neill.

941
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: That moves me, Luke, what moves you on this card?

942
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 2: I would say. The interesting one we didn't get to

943
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 2: is the Alexander Hernandez Mike Breeden fight. Due Hernandez came

944
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: in like a buzzsaw, beating Benil Daryusch and I forget

945
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: the other guy. He was just knocked out in short

946
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: order and we were like, holy shit, this guy looks

947
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: like the real deal. Then he called Seroni day drinking

948
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: don and has been having a hard time since, not

949
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 2: just getting the wins, but finding his identity. He was

950
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: kind of a come forward, in your face guy, and

951
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: then he realized he's not going to get very far

952
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 2: with that. So he has struggled to adjust to the

953
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 2: next generation of his development, which you can say, oh,

954
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: well that means he that What does that mean exactly? Well,

955
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: it might mean he just takes some time to get there.

956
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 2: Breeden is a guy who's very good. But if Hernandez

957
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: is who he says and believes that he is, oh

958
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 2: it was Olivier auben Marcie because he could wrestle, right,

959
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: that was the other one. Hernandez needs to show that

960
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: he can make the he's trying to grow, He's trying

961
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 2: to become a better cerebral, scientific, best practices kind of guy.

962
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 2: This is one of those fights you need to win,

963
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: given the amount of time he's had to show improvement

964
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: to prove that it's real. This, this is it right here.

965
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: You gotta do it so big, big doings for him.

966
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's split wins and losses in his last five

967
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: still just twenty eight years old, though, Luke, so see

968
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: if he can put that together. I'm loving this card.

969
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 1: We'll check that out Saturday night. But Luke, our second

970
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: topic of the day is tonight's Bellatore two six seven card.

971
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: It goes down in London, Luke, Wembley Arena. This is

972
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: the big deal and you can argue the main event

973
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: is our best fight of the weekend. The main card

974
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: will kick off four pm Eastern later today only on Showtime,

975
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: so check that shit out. I love this fight. Douglas Limo,

976
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: your three time Bellatoor welterweight champion, coming in here on

977
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 1: an interesting two fight losing skid both in title bouts,

978
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: though in a rematch with Michael Venom Page and Luke

979
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: we all know they fought in twenty nineteen. It was

980
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: a spectacular two round fight. Lima wins it by knockout.

981
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: It was part of the World Grand Prix. In the

982
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: semi final round. You can see the highlights right here.

983
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: Lima got wobbled by a punch early, but MVP's somewhat exciting,

984
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: reckless style kind of walked him into a knockout shot

985
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: there after a slip luke the key and there's one

986
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: of the there's a spectacular trip and finish here. That's

987
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: a kick, yes, and it tripped him. So in some

988
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 1: ways you can you know, split the difference and say

989
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: it was like a trip right by kicking you and

990
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 1: it trips you. Look, I tripped your ass, Okay, just

991
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: so you know, so looke, here's trip. Here's the storyline

992
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: coming in. Do we have two ships going in opposite directions?

993
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: Considering MVP at age thirty four is one five in

994
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: a row, four by finish, including against top contender Derek

995
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: Anderson in Mohegan last time out, is he the one

996
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: who's ready to take the baton here and prove to

997
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: us he's title ready and legit?

998
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 2: I think you and I did CBS Sports HQ earlier

999
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 2: this week. BC. I don't know if you exactly in

1000
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 2: the same mind I am, but I think we're pretty

1001
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: close on this one. Like, dude, this is a lot

1002
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 2: more interesting as a as a competitive bout. Then the

1003
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: first time they met. First time they met, I was like, dude,

1004
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: you know, Paige hadn't really beaten anybody of significant note,

1005
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 2: obviously his style is very exciting, but Beltore had fed

1006
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 2: him a sort of a steady diet of guys who

1007
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 2: he could beat, which I don't begrudge him, by the way,

1008
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 2: I think Beltore and promoter should do more of that

1009
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 2: to some extent. But neither here nor there. It just

1010
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 2: there wasn't that guy on his resume where you're like, oh, well,

1011
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 2: because he beat him, he stands a good chance against

1012
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 2: Douglas Lima, And then you could also sort of look

1013
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 2: at their styles and be like, it's probably a tough fight.

1014
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 2: Do Lima has fought and defeated much better guys this

1015
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 2: time around? Dude, I feel like the tables, I'm not

1016
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: gonna say they have completely turned, but they're not the same.

1017
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 2: Two losses in a row and not just two losses. Okay,

1018
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 2: you went up to fight with Sassi, didn't go your way. Okay,

1019
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: And obviously Amasov is a wrestler in a way that

1020
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 2: MVP is not fair, but just sort of the lifelessness

1021
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 2: about it all, you just wonder is that now a

1022
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: permanent condition. Is he just kind of worn down from

1023
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: it all? Does he need a break? Like what's going

1024
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 2: on in the training room, that's creating this in the

1025
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: fight itself, you have to kind of wonder about that.

1026
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 2: And also, dude, MVP has been a lot more active

1027
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 2: since their first fight. I think that's true, even you

1028
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: want to say he's fought in less tough competition, and

1029
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 2: you know it's a hometown cook not cooking, but hometown affair.

1030
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 2: It's in London. The thing that I'm I just can't

1031
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 2: quite get over, though, BC is that leg Kicky got there. Dude,

1032
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,959
Speaker 2: for a guy like MVP, he's got to be close

1033
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 2: enough to touch you. He does do some stuff with

1034
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: the lower body strikes, but mostly he does his work

1035
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 2: with the hands. He hootshots and then he goes He's

1036
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 2: gonna have to get close enough into kicking range every

1037
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 2: time against a guy like Lima. If Lima is minding

1038
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: his p's and q's and goes to hammer the legs

1039
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 2: of MVP, I just don't know what answer MVP is

1040
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 2: going to have for that. So I don't want to

1041
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: be in this scenario, or like, I don't acknowledge the

1042
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: hardships that Lima has faced and what kind of like

1043
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 2: a poor performance he's had in them. At the same time,

1044
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 2: it would be foolish to look past Lima, a guy

1045
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 2: with just the right kind of style to beat Frankly,

1046
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: a guy like MVP. But it's closer this time than

1047
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: it was.

1048
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: The first, very close, very close. I mean you look

1049
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: at the odds coming in here, Michael ven and Paige,

1050
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: a minus one twenty five favorite as the hotter fighter

1051
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 1: peaking at the moment against a plus one zh five Liman.

1052
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: Now that's more or less a pick them there, with

1053
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: Page as the slight favorite. But it's interesting, like this

1054
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: is the defining fight for Lima to show us where

1055
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: he's at at age thirty three, because he's the younger fighter,

1056
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: by the way, MVP thirty four, he's older than you

1057
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: realize considering the level of competition. But you nailed at

1058
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: Luke on two accounts. One the lifelessness is concerning he

1059
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: started way too late. Against Musasi. He figured out some

1060
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: success late, but it was like too little too late

1061
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: in some degrees. And then against Amazof he just never Luke.

1062
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: You didn't see the urgency, you didn't see the oh shit,

1063
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,919
Speaker 1: I'm getting dominated. I'm down three rounds here, let's let's

1064
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: go for Broke. It was just sort of like going

1065
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: through the motions and I think, you know, if you

1066
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: look at MVP's quotes, and we did interview him yesterday

1067
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: and CBS Sports HQ with our buddy Tommy Tran, and

1068
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 1: he believes that Lima's just had a lack of growth,

1069
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 1: that it's the same style, same you know, same everything,

1070
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: And Luke, sometimes that can become you know, if you're

1071
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: doing training the same way and you're just kind of

1072
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: you can accidentally end up going through the motions in

1073
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: that regard. And you know, fighting MVP, whether you think

1074
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: he's ready and legit and gonna be a title guy

1075
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: now next or you think there's still some questions about

1076
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: this guy. That's not the guy you want to be

1077
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: coming in so Stale. I mean, you look at Lima's

1078
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 1: last ten fights, Luke, Yes, he won six of them,

1079
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: but he fought Koreshkov three times, he fought Paul Day,

1080
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: Lorenz Larkin, MVP, Rory MacDonald and then the two title

1081
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,479
Speaker 1: fights back to back. That's all killer grinding fight every

1082
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: time out. He went five rounds by the way, in

1083
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: six of those, so six out of the last ten fights, Luke,

1084
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: you wonder if the grind is catching up, But what

1085
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 1: makes it hard to just write him off in this matchup.

1086
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: Is that October of twenty twenty when he lost to Musasi.

1087
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: We entered that fight calling him, you know, maybe the

1088
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: best welter way in the world, maybe the best you know,

1089
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: kept secret in all of MMA. A year later, Luke,

1090
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 1: one year later and two defeats later, could he really

1091
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: be on the other side of it? You never know

1092
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: when that turning point happens in a fighter's career. Sometimes

1093
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: those turning points can be corrected, you know, with a rededication.

1094
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: I don't really know what we're getting from Douglas Lima.

1095
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: His comments coming in were Douglas Lima like, they were respectable,

1096
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: but you know, little little stale, little whatever. I'm a

1097
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 1: little surprised that the MVP is the betting favorite, considering Lima

1098
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: won by knockout the last time. But I'm gonna need

1099
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: to see, as you mentioned, with those leg strikes, which

1100
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,959
Speaker 1: fighter can take the lead and set the tone because

1101
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: Luke in rematches a lot of times, especially if the

1102
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: first one was a little bit crazy, it's more refined

1103
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: and tactical. I think there's a shot here that this

1104
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 1: one goes the distance. Given the way Lima has fought

1105
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: of late, and I kind of want to see if

1106
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: MVP can win a fight on the outside, using that

1107
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: five and a half inch reach advantage, using his jab

1108
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: and really trying to set up his explosive strikes. As

1109
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 1: much as you know you come to see him get

1110
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: the highlight reel finish, I want to see if he

1111
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: can go out there against a three time former champion

1112
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: and beat him in a different kind of way. That'll

1113
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: show me that he's ready for Amasov, that he's ready

1114
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: for the real smoke that comes after it, Because as

1115
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: much as we don't know which version of Lima is

1116
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: coming in, I want to see everything MVP has and

1117
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: that's not I want to see spiny shit that. I

1118
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: want to see the real fighter game plan, hold the

1119
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: lead and control of this fight and carry out what

1120
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: he's bringing in.

1121
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 2: And if he can get it done, MVP, I mean,

1122
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 2: this is the you want to talk about the most

1123
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:07,240
Speaker 2: validating win of his career. The criticisms have dogged MVP

1124
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 2: for a while, like you've not beaten somebody super super special.

1125
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 2: You beat Lima, you get there, no doubt about it.

1126
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 2: The other part to think about here, BC, we kind

1127
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 2: of alluded to it which is why did he lose

1128
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 2: the Amasov and Musasi fights. We're talking about the gear

1129
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 2: he got stuck in, but the gear he got stuck

1130
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 2: in was in part because those guys just took the

1131
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 2: fight to him early and then just maintained the lead

1132
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 2: on him. Right. That was a lot of grappling that

1133
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 2: was involved to do that. So the question is can

1134
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 2: mvp A start strong like where he's hurting him and

1135
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 2: then keep keep a guy like Lima on the back

1136
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 2: foot with whatever tactics and strategies that he employs, right,

1137
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 2: because if you get a lead on Lima, he just

1138
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 2: kind of let it let's roll. That's weird say right there.

1139
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: Pause that I was going to ask you, when you

1140
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: call somebody a front runner, it's usually an insult that

1141
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: they can't win coming from behind, that they can only

1142
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: win if the terms go their way. But you know,

1143
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,439
Speaker 1: remembermember that great fight Lima had with Roy MacDonald which

1144
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: he lost in their first meeting under the Bell to

1145
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: our banner. That fight was two to two going into

1146
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: the fifth and Rory just kicked it into a second

1147
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: gear and he won that fight. I don't know if

1148
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,439
Speaker 1: we've seen Lima rally or turn it on late, So Luke,

1149
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 1: I think the.

1150
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 2: Success he turned it on late against Musase if you recall,

1151
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 2: but it was so little, so late.

1152
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: It didn't exactly It was like he went into where

1153
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,959
Speaker 1: his strategy should have been in round one. In round four,

1154
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: he didn't go for broke. He just took control of

1155
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: the fight. So I think what Musasi did, Luke, and

1156
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: he's got a much hit. He was a bigger body,

1157
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: it was middleweight. He used a thudding jab to really

1158
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: silence what Lima brought in. That's why I think MVP's

1159
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: got to take advantage of the of the length and

1160
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: really set that tone early that if this fight's going

1161
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: to go the distance, he's going to be the commander

1162
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: of where it's going. Luke. And I don't know. I mean,

1163
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: Lima could come out and wake up and show us

1164
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: exactly who he is, and this could turn into a

1165
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: war at some point. But I'm gonna go with the

1166
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: with the not younger in age, but the fresher, more confident,

1167
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: seemingly guy in the hometown here of Michael ven and

1168
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 1: Page Luke, this feels like it's gonna be his moment.

1169
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 2: Wow, that's big pick an MVP to be Douglas Lima.

1170
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 2: That is a bold pick. I don't think it's crazy.

1171
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 2: I don't know how likely it is, but it's I

1172
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 2: would have called you crazy the first time.

1173
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: Well, do you think I'm crazier when I tell you

1174
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna win by decision to How about that, Luke?

1175
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 2: No, because dude, finishing Douglas Lima's hard to do. It's

1176
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 2: hard to do that. But uh, definitely the pick. That

1177
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 2: is a bold pick. That's the pick of the weekend

1178
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 2: right there. Well, he's the betting.

1179
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: Favorite, Luke, So it's not that. Is it that bold?

1180
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. We're gonna find out.

1181
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I suppose. So you're gonna you're.

1182
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 1: Gonna you lean in anywhere, Luke, or you don't. You

1183
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: don't really do that.

1184
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 2: I'll stick with Lima just for fun for the show.

1185
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 2: I don't really know who the hell knows with him? Dude.

1186
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 2: Those performances were so lifeless, you know, like, do you

1187
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 2: want to bank a lot on a guy who just

1188
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 2: kind of looks like, Eh, No, I don't.

1189
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: He's got to come out kicking. You got to come

1190
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: out kicking. If you do.

1191
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 2: You got you got, dude, you have to make you

1192
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 2: have to make MVP hurt. Yes, right, because if he doesn't,

1193
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 2: if he doesn't feel the weight of what it's like

1194
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,240
Speaker 2: to come and try to close distance, he's just gonna

1195
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 2: come and pop all that long. You gotta you gotta

1196
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 2: make that guy suffer or I wonder if Lima will

1197
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 2: go for the takedown himself, having learned from the last

1198
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 2: two fights how important that can be to set the

1199
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 2: tone there. We'll see man.

1200
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: Cards starts at four pm Eastern Time on Showtime Today.

1201
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: Check that out, Luke Leam McCort a women's featherweight cole

1202
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: main event, big time favorite against Jessica Borga. Uh from there, Luke,

1203
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: it's it seems like it's a lot of local folks

1204
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: on this card, you know.

1205
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. The card itself is basically a regional European card

1206
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 2: with a couple of decent fights at the top. The

1207
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 2: main event quite good, but uh yeah, Bela Tour Listen

1208
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 2: bel Tour was the last time they were in London

1209
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 2: a long time. They're just trying to get the local

1210
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 2: shit going, you know.

1211
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see if Liam mccor can enter what's becoming

1212
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: a crowded women's featherweight title discussion at the moment here, Luke, right,

1213
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: or am I thinking of women's flyway? I'm probably fly yeah, yeah,

1214
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: all right. Featherweight is where Chris Sigeborg operates.

1215
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 2: Yes, well, she's the bantamweight champion too, right.

1216
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: Wasn't just just featherweight one? Four?

1217
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 2: Can never keep that, I can never keep that straight.

1218
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: But you're probably please get your shit together, thank you?

1219
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 2: All right?

1220
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: Topic three. It might seem like a rehash, but there's

1221
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: a lot of talk one week removed, still going on

1222
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: about the state of Nick Diaz, Yes, in his late thirties,

1223
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: fresh off a third round t ko no Moss defeat

1224
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: against Robbie Lawler in their rematch. You know what your

1225
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: boy BC said about it, Luke that I was uncomfortable

1226
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: that given the comments from Nick, given that whole blaming

1227
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: on the manager for kind of trick him and tricking

1228
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: him into it and give it the dadbod when it

1229
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: looked like he had abs just a week before. Luke,

1230
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: I just didn't think he wanted to be there, and

1231
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: I don't really want to see him moving forward. Well,

1232
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: everyone is disagreeing with I mean, there's people that said

1233
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: they are never gonna watch this show again because I

1234
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: made such a comment against the two zero nine, Luke,

1235
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: I mean to join the parade of those who are

1236
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: echoing his greatness. Dana White said, quote Nick looked unbelievable,

1237
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: later saying he looks so damn good considering the layoff.

1238
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: Even Joe Rogan came around Luke. He was less extreme,

1239
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: but he said, you know what, Nick didn't do that

1240
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: bad all things considered.

1241
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 2: Uh, I'm sorry, isn't that wild?

1242
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: I don't want Luke. I went back and watched the fight,

1243
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: and I'm not It's not like I'm gonna say it

1244
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: wasn't exciting. Of course it was. They went after it,

1245
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: and you know, Nick got backed up and he stood

1246
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: his ground and threw shots. But dude, this was this

1247
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: was senior league mma, and I know, look, dude, I'm

1248
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: getting people coming Beasteeds A fraud. He's always been a fraud.

1249
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: He's the hash tag old guy fight guy. You know, Yeah,

1250
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: I am. But I was sort of beaten down of

1251
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: late by Holyfield and Triller and all this other crap.

1252
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: And maybe I just really care about the diaz is Luke.

1253
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: But I just didn't like this and didn't want to

1254
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: see it again. It seems from Dana to Rogan to everyone,

1255
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: they want to do it again? Luke, do you feel

1256
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: like Nick wants to do it again? And did your

1257
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,439
Speaker 1: stance on this change at all after hearing how many

1258
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: people vehemently disagree with your co host?

1259
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 2: I thought it was I you know, I didn't hear

1260
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 2: Rogan's comments, but I did hear Dana's, and Dana's was like,

1261
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 2: well for being off for five years when it's actually

1262
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 2: closer to closer to seven six and a half, you know,

1263
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 2: he looked good, Okay for that amount of rust? Fine

1264
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 2: you could again, what did I say on Monday?

1265
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: Even?

1266
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 2: I think I even said it to a degree on

1267
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 2: Saturday night, which is you listen if you wants to

1268
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 2: get in the right way class, because I think we

1269
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 2: both agree if he's going to come back one eighty five,

1270
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 2: just I don't like the idea at this point, right,

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Speaker 2: So if you're going to come back one seventy, fine,

1272
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 2: very doable under the right conditions. Right for a guy

1273
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 2: who runs triathlons, one seventy is quite doable. I've seen

1274
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 2: him in person. He can make it. And then there's

1275
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 2: the right opponent, then sure give it another try. But

1276
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 2: like you know, the days of like, oh, I'm gonna

1277
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 2: be next for kamar Usman, like that's long past it.

1278
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 2: And I was trying to think, like, you know, it's

1279
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 2: so funny, man when Habib gets wins over like Ali

1280
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 2: a Quinta, who is a very very good fighter. But

1281
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 2: obviously that was like the last second, right, and he

1282
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 2: didn't finish him. He went the distance, and everyone's like, oh,

1283
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 2: how good could could be be? You know, he had

1284
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 2: to go the distance with a late replacement in Al

1285
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 2: and Al I think had had some losses nearby. I'm like, well,

1286
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 2: first of all, Al's very good number one and number two.

1287
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 2: You know, we all know the story, like when you

1288
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 2: take an opponent last minute, like literal last minute. You know,

1289
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 2: the person who's the A side there sometimes will fight

1290
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 2: with a little bit of reservation. It can be hard

1291
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 2: to get the finish. What I'm pointing out is here's

1292
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 2: a guy near the top of the game that people

1293
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 2: find every excuse to poke holes in for his game,

1294
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 2: and here's another guy as kind of the bottom of

1295
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 2: the ufcsters in terms of like ability, and they're making

1296
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 2: all the other excuses the other way for and you know,

1297
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 2: get I get why he's revered. He is popular, he

1298
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 2: is well liked. It's fine. Like again, if he wants

1299
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 2: to compete under a certain set of circumstances and whatever,

1300
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 2: then then let it all happen. It's okay. But it

1301
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 2: just has been bizarre to me. Like for example, yesterday

1302
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 2: in my life chat he see someone was like, oh,

1303
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 2: if Nick had stuck around after GSP, would he have

1304
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 2: won the title? Like no, no, Like he did stick around,

1305
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 2: he lost to Carlos Condent. And because there's gonna be

1306
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 2: a series of guys who are not going to play

1307
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 2: the game that he plays, whether it's Condent with the

1308
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 2: stick and move or wrestlers with the wrestling. Diaz was

1309
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 2: never the best guy in his weight class. What he

1310
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 2: had was a in certain respects he was ahead of

1311
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 2: the fight game with weaponizing pace and getting better boxing.

1312
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 2: He would the daz were just well ahead of the

1313
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 2: fight game. He has a certain kind of iconoclass anti

1314
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 2: hero style and three which you I think we'd agree

1315
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 2: on prime Nick on his best night could beat very

1316
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 2: very very elite fighters. Like when he was dialed in there,

1317
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 2: you know not all the time that every time it

1318
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 2: wasn't Saint Pierre, Who's just gonna beat the slate, but

1319
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 2: he could get that one win that would blow you away.

1320
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 2: Here's where I stand today, having thought about this overnight

1321
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 2: for just a second. BC. It's like, dude, I lived

1322
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 2: through like we did the resume review, but I remember

1323
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 2: living through that shit. I saw all the I saw Nick,

1324
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 2: you know, not in person, but I remember. I remember

1325
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 2: where I was when he fought Paul Dailey. I remember

1326
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 2: where I was when he fought go on Me. I

1327
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 2: remember the Jeremy Jackson fight vividly. I remember all of

1328
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 2: these things. Like, dude, those days are over. They're over, right,

1329
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 2: They're over. They are over and so and so it

1330
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 2: seems to me that if you want to say there's

1331
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 2: a path forward for Nick, fine, but it should be

1332
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 2: said that with Okay, there's a path forward, it doesn't

1333
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 2: match this old one at all. It's a new one,

1334
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 2: divorced from this old life. Yes, on that account, I

1335
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 2: can live with it, all right.

1336
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: A couple things here. One, you were dead wrong. He

1337
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: fought Carlos Condent before he fought GSP, so he wasn't.

1338
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 2: No, no. But what I mean was when did GSP leave

1339
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 2: the division.

1340
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: After the Johnny Hendricks fight. So yes, Nick was still around.

1341
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: But he wasn't fighting. He finally fought Anderson Silva.

1342
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 2: Okay, either way, he wasn't going to beat Prime Lawler.

1343
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 2: I don't think he could beat prime Rory McDonald the

1344
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 2: one before the Lawlor fight. What wouldn't Rory McDonald do

1345
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 2: under the two legit Faraza hobby. They would take him down.

1346
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 2: They would take him down forever.

1347
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: So no argument to support what you're saying here is

1348
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: in the argument against him beating elite fighters past a

1349
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: certain point is Luke, we haven't seen him fight elite

1350
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: since twoenty and eleven, so I know he kept fighting

1351
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: five years through the Anderson Silva fight or four years

1352
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: excuse me, but Luke, those four years included a lifeless

1353
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: performance against Carlos Content, a largely lifeless performance against GSP,

1354
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: although look GSP closed all the doors on him, and

1355
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: a lifeless performance against Anderson Silva in which he tried

1356
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: to lure these guys into his kind of fight. It

1357
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: didn't happen, and he sort of just was fine with

1358
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: the results in terms of Okay, that's the way they're

1359
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: gonna fight. We haven't seen him elite since twenty eleven,

1360
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: so I don't even know Luke if the fighting spirit

1361
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: was still in him after that BJ fight to want

1362
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: to do this or to compete at this level. But

1363
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: that's not the real equation at stake. It's maybe I

1364
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: was too harsh because look, people are like, okay, BC,

1365
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,439
Speaker 1: we get it, he's not the same guy, but you're

1366
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: basically saying you don't want to ever see him again.

1367
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 1: What I think the middle ground on here is, and

1368
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: maybe I can soften my stance a bit in this

1369
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: regard is I think Luke, people just want to see

1370
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: him in like a Guns n' Roses reunion type way.

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01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: They want to see him go out on his own

1372
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: terms happy. And look, if this is all a build

1373
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 1: toward like a retirement fight in which he gets another

1374
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: old wash guy and he can go out on his

1375
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: own terms and have the proper camp and come in

1376
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 1: in shape, then that is fine. And oh, by the way,

1377
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: I think would look back at the Lawlor fight and

1378
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, he didn't get dominated, he didn't get overwhelmed.

1379
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 1: He stood in there and fought. I just don't know

1380
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 1: how everybody is overlooking the comments heading in about how

1381
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: he just didn't want to be there, Luke, he didn't

1382
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: want to be fighting right, I mean nothing about it

1383
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: screamed that he wanted to be there through him quitting.

1384
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 1: So that was really a large part of why I

1385
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: was just like, I don't think this is a good

1386
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: idea for him. I mean, he got his nose shatter

1387
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 1: and he was like, that's it. And again, you know,

1388
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: he's been through the war enough. He isn't to win

1389
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: my respector I mean, I respect that movie he made

1390
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 1: right there, he knew he was done and he's done.

1391
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 1: But to me, that means you're done, Luke. But everyone

1392
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 1: else seems to go whether they looking at it through

1393
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 1: nostalgia only or if your ufcen you're going, hey, maybe

1394
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 1: we can make a book moving forward. It seems like

1395
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: Luke he's probably more likely to fight at least one

1396
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: more than he's not. Correct.

1397
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah for sure.

1398
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's talk about that. Sean O'Malley came out

1399
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 1: on his podcast I'm Not Gonna Lie. He had an

1400
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 1: interesting idea which is more in line of what I'm saying.

1401
01:05:57,600 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: If you're building towards Nick to just get a payday

1402
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: and have fun, which is really I think the why

1403
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,439
Speaker 1: the fans were angry at my take, because no one's

1404
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 1: expecting him to come back and look great and be

1405
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: ready for usman. Those dead ship is saled a long

1406
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 1: time ago. Sean O'Malley says, why not Mike Perry at middleway? Luke,

1407
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 1: I don't hate this, Luke. I told Perry what way

1408
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 1: class middleweight?

1409
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 2: Middlewaight? I don't like the middleweight call.

1410
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 1: You can have it at well to wait if you

1411
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: really want.

1412
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, fine, yeah, that's about more in line what I

1413
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 2: think is realistic. I know people have said serny. I

1414
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 2: think it's another one like two legends at the end.

1415
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 2: This is fine, but this is also what folks just

1416
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 2: have to wrap their head around a little bit. That's

1417
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 2: Those are good ideas and I think doable. I don't

1418
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:41,919
Speaker 2: know if first of all, let's see what Nick wants

1419
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 2: to do. We had Shasta Frank Lester, a great, great

1420
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 2: coach and a guy whose abilities I admire a lot.

1421
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 2: He was suggesting, like, you know, middleweight, you could do

1422
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 2: Sam Alvi versus Nick. You know, respectfully, I don't think

1423
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 2: you can. I don't think Nick ever takes a fight

1424
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 2: like that. I think he wants somebody who's produced a

1425
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 2: big name for themselves. And you could say you wanted

1426
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 2: about Sam and some of the accomplishments that he's had,

1427
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 2: but he's not a hugely popular figure inside the UFC

1428
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 2: to date, and so that just doesn't make a lot

1429
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 2: of sense. So you could go to SERRONI Perry is

1430
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 2: sort of controversial in that way. Maybe you could do that,

1431
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 2: But this is the point I want to make. Me see,

1432
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 2: there's a few, maybe a couple of permutations you could

1433
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 2: do with this, but dude, this is not what the

1434
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 2: UFC does does not. The UFC does not provide a

1435
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 2: soft landing for guys close to forty who or at

1436
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 2: the end or you know, a close ish to the

1437
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 2: end of their run. I buy everything that people say

1438
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 2: about he was all for six and a half years

1439
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 2: and he didn't have a great camp and blah blah blah.

1440
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 2: Like he even said, I knew I had this ass

1441
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 2: whooping coming. He knew it. He knew he did, he

1442
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 2: knew it. I acknowledge that if you run it back

1443
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 2: in a few months when he's had a better chance

1444
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 2: to get right, you'll get a better product. Fair enough,

1445
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 2: but we're talking about something at the end of the

1446
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 2: game where this is not what the UFC specializes in.

1447
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 2: You might find a couple of examples, he'd much better

1448
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 2: off if you wanted a longevity tour BC doing boxing

1449
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 2: on the Jake Paul card or in Bellatore, where they

1450
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 2: can match make more appropriately for this kind of thing.

1451
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 2: In UFC, they're gonna have a hard time finding all

1452
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 2: the right things that he needs. Unless he comes out

1453
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 2: at one seventy in his next fight, I proves us

1454
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 2: both completely wrong and looks you know, ten years younger.

1455
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: I mean, look, let's be fair, twenty twenty one has

1456
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 1: been all Triller and Paul brothers, and it did. It

1457
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 1: did even test me Luke where I'm just like, you know,

1458
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 1: when you're UFC, Like, you know, I never like to

1459
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 1: see him punk experiment. You know, I didn't even really

1460
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: like Randy Katur, James Tony, like those are such like

1461
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: odd sort of black Eye, not black Eye, but just

1462
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 1: sort of like what were we thinking moments. UFC is

1463
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: so far past that that I don't necessarily want to

1464
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: see that. Now. If you want to do Cowboy, and

1465
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 1: I think Cowboys tied with Jim Miller for most wins

1466
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: in UFC history, and if you want to say, you

1467
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 1: know both the retirement match for both. If Cowboy wins,

1468
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 1: he's the winningest fight ever. If Nick wins, he goes

1469
01:08:57,920 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 1: on on his own turn. Okay, yeah, of course I

1470
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 1: can get behind that, just like I got behind when

1471
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: it was like Diego Sanchez against Clig Weeda late in

1472
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 1: their run, or you know whatever, any sort of combination

1473
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: of old guys. Speaking of that combination of old guys, Luke,

1474
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 1: our producer Mikey Mormel wrote in and said, did we

1475
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 1: miss the boat because of conduct carlos kandit's recent retirement

1476
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 1: on just rematching those two guys together, or is that

1477
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:19,599
Speaker 1: just the same thing.

1478
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 2: Oh, dude, condit's done. He's been done for a while

1479
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 2: at that Lawler. I always go back to neither he

1480
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:29,600
Speaker 2: nor Lawler were ever the same afterwards. And you know,

1481
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:32,799
Speaker 2: you're talking about Conda, It's like, dude, if you're pairing

1482
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 2: him up with dudes who had their prime ten years ago,

1483
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 2: what does that say? Like Seroni is not in his prime.

1484
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 2: Condit is not in his prime. Lawler is not in

1485
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 2: his prime. They might be legends to fans deservedly, so

1486
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 2: take nothing from that, but where are they now? They

1487
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 2: are not They are at the end of the run.

1488
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 2: If all of your peers are retiring or and many

1489
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 2: of them retired. You know, that doesn't automatically mean you're

1490
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 2: in the same place, but you're probably not far from it.

1491
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: Do you think Nick could cold Pete in this celebrity

1492
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 1: boxing bubble? Like? Could he?

1493
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 2: I think handles a fuck ton doing that? Dude?

1494
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 1: Think about that competitive wise? Did you see enough to

1495
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:16,680
Speaker 1: show that he could box with Anderson Silver, he could

1496
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: box with Jake Paul? Would you be okay with that?

1497
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 2: Well? I think he might give Jake Paul serious problems

1498
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 2: quite candidly, but with Anderson Silva. Dude, you wouldn't want

1499
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:26,879
Speaker 2: to see a Nick Dias Anderson Silver rematch in boxing?

1500
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:28,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think you would do.

1501
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 2: That's a totally different ballgame to me. I would pay

1502
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 2: good money to see that.

1503
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 1: Okay, that's interesting. Luke. By the way, I still get

1504
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 1: people that DM me and I'm not going to say

1505
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,759
Speaker 1: they're wrong that say, hey, I respect that Luke loves

1506
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 1: Carlos Condent versus Robbie Lawler, but the fact that he

1507
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 1: doesn't realize that Rory versus Lawler was a better fight

1508
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: just blows my fricking mind because it is at I

1509
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:53,799
Speaker 1: get that so often that I'm actually willing to entertain

1510
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 1: some type of film. Hold on, hold on, hold on,

1511
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 1: let this man speak, some type of watch party where

1512
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: we do live on YouTube and we watched both fights

1513
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 1: back to back. Would you agree to that one and two?

1514
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: When you find out that you're wrong, would you be honest?

1515
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 1: Would you be like, look, I was wrong this whole time.

1516
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 2: Sure, you watch it again and I reconsider and it

1517
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 2: looks different upon reflection. Fine, I mean, would I have

1518
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:18,719
Speaker 2: to lose?

1519
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 1: Like, we want to see you eat shit, Luke. That's

1520
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 1: the point, your pretentious bastard. We want to see it.

1521
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 2: Why am I? Why am I pretentious for saying that?

1522
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 2: Condit Lawler a fight that completely changed the course of

1523
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 2: their careers, was a better fight. That was a fight

1524
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 2: of the year Canadate, which I realized many people like

1525
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,800
Speaker 2: Lawler and McDonald wore. Dude lower. McDonald's a phenomenal. I mean,

1526
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 2: it's not like I'm saying it's bad. It's very very good.

1527
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 2: But here's the reality of it. Like, uh, that was

1528
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 2: a little bit more one sided, obviously with the way

1529
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 2: it ended for McDonald, and it had a little bit

1530
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 2: more theatrical elements to it, whereas Condit versus Lawler was

1531
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 2: more just a fucking melee. It was a It was

1532
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 2: a barroom brawl versus this coordinated game boss at the

1533
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 2: end of the at the end of the video game

1534
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 2: kind of feel to it. But I think if you

1535
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 2: just watch the fight straight up without the narratives being

1536
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 2: imposed upon it, I think Lawler and condit stand the

1537
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 2: test of time almost any other fight in that weight

1538
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:13,679
Speaker 2: class in terms of pure thrill.

1539
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 1: I'd love if we did some kind of blind taste

1540
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 1: test and the loser had to ship how to provide

1541
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 1: a haircut for the other one. Like that, we could

1542
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 1: really do some things with this Luke in our new set.

1543
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 2: I am certain people I don't know, Like I don't

1544
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 2: understand what people want. There's this weird thing in MMA

1545
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 2: where like something gets anointed as being great or worthy

1546
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 2: of revering, and if you don't revere it in exactly

1547
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:41,600
Speaker 2: the way in which you're supposed to, all of a

1548
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,720
Speaker 2: sudden you're some kind of heretic about it. I don't

1549
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 2: think it's that for opinion on this.

1550
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 1: I think because you are, and I'm gonna say this

1551
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 1: as a compliment, so confident in your ways and just

1552
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 1: I mean you whole firm, Luke, you hold fucking firm

1553
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:57,640
Speaker 1: to what you believe, motherfucker not respect are just supposed to.

1554
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 1: But people really sometimes take that as arrogance that you're

1555
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 1: not willing to re examine and wonder what were you wrong?

1556
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 1: And in this case, Luke, I think.

1557
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 2: Even to this week, here's how stupid that is. Right,

1558
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 2: Here's how utterly fucking stupid that is. Even just this

1559
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 2: week on my post fight show for two sixty six, right,

1560
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 2: I had suggested at three in the morning or whatever

1561
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:21,600
Speaker 2: it was two in the morning that I thought that

1562
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 2: Nick Dias versus Jorge masitoal was something you could do

1563
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:26,680
Speaker 2: at one seventy And then I had people write me,

1564
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 2: and then you brought it up on the show. What

1565
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 2: was the first thing I did? I walked it back.

1566
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 2: I was like, yes, upon reflection and people suggesting to

1567
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 2: it that that doesn't hold up. Even just this week,

1568
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 2: I had to really reconsider a bad opinion that I

1569
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 2: had that I had made without fully considering it. I'll

1570
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 2: do it when it merits that what people want to

1571
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 2: do is they want to float out bad arguments for

1572
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 2: stupid ideas, and then when I reject it, all of

1573
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 2: a sudden. I'm not being open minded enough. No, I'm

1574
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 2: just not willing to accept a low threshold of evidence

1575
01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 2: or in a persuasive language or round something that just

1576
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 2: doesn't really hold true. So if you if you like

1577
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:07,680
Speaker 2: Lawler versus McDonald better, I can't talk you out of it.

1578
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 2: I cannot. I cannot say definitively Lawler versus condit is better.

1579
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:15,440
Speaker 2: It's a matter of personal opinion. But they are comparable

1580
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 2: in how great they are. And if you go one

1581
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 2: way or the other, that's fine.

1582
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 1: If we're still friends at the end of your life,

1583
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 1: when you're on your deathbed and we're there and you

1584
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:25,679
Speaker 1: admit there is a God, I will hug you, Luke, Okay,

1585
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 1: I will hug you.

1586
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 2: I'll be like, I'll be like, get close you see,

1587
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 2: these are my final words, and I'll say when you die,

1588
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 2: you just rotten the ground.

1589
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 1: You're like my final words, Houston, Alexander took a dive

1590
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 1: against Kimbo.

1591
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, final words. Okay, maybe there was a curse.

1592
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 1: Goodbye, final words. B see those documentaries fucking banged bro

1593
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:52,839
Speaker 1: like a bus driver.

1594
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 2: All right, yeah, all right, maybe.

1595
01:14:55,920 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 1: More The topic for fight announcement and rumors Luke, we

1596
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:02,800
Speaker 1: got a big story here at number one on Fight

1597
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 1: Announcements October thirtieth, UFC two six seven. This man Dan Hooker,

1598
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 1: fresh off a career saving Is that too harsh victory

1599
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 1: over that guy that looks like Johnny Hendrix, Luke, he

1600
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 1: will turn it around and take on Islam Makhachev in

1601
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 1: a real big fight in Luke, when you look a

1602
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 1: little deeper, this is Dan Hooker staying in the US,

1603
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 1: meaning he's not gonna see his family for a very

1604
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 1: long time because this fight will take place at Fight

1605
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 1: Island in Abu Dhabi on October thirtieth on the pay

1606
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 1: per view. Luke, it's a great fricking fight on a

1607
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 1: free pay per view. By the way, I don't even

1608
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 1: you could not favor Dan Hooker here. Although Luke, he

1609
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 1: turned it around with his wrestling against Naspak.

1610
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:54,320
Speaker 2: Hakkapar, still na Hack pressed.

1611
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:58,599
Speaker 1: Against has Matt's. Yeah. So, Luke, do you have the respect?

1612
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,759
Speaker 1: Of course you do. You're you gotta you gotta c KB.

1613
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 1: You got a city kicking boner, Luke. But seriously, what

1614
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:08,719
Speaker 1: Dan Hooker's looking to do here? Bro wow wow?

1615
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:14,720
Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question. If he goes and

1616
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,680
Speaker 2: takes this fight, which he did. It's an Abu Dhabi, right,

1617
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 2: so who knows how long it's gonna before he gets back.

1618
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 2: But let's say he wins this fight, which would be

1619
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 2: something of an upset, and let's say on top of that,

1620
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 2: he wins it Dan Hooker style, whatever that might mean,

1621
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 2: like you know, big step through knee or whatever. I

1622
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 2: had said something similar to what I'm about to say

1623
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 2: now yesterday, but I want to change it slightly. If

1624
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 2: he does that, BC question for you, does he become

1625
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:45,679
Speaker 2: something like the new Serony in m M A wow?

1626
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 1: Wow?

1627
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:47,720
Speaker 2: So what did?

1628
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 1: What did? How did Serony become Serony? He was a

1629
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:55,639
Speaker 1: no nonsense not brawl. I mean it was a brawler

1630
01:16:55,680 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 1: at times, but like a no nonsense Budweiser drinking company

1631
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 1: man fan man who would fight on short notice, fight

1632
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: anybody at any time, and fight like a badass. That's

1633
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:11,679
Speaker 1: not Dan Hooker in personal spirit. But moves like this, Luke,

1634
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 1: they they're they're they're doubling down. These are double down badass.

1635
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 1: It's basically saying, look, I just turned my career around

1636
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: with that performance. Why don't I just ride the momentum

1637
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:24,640
Speaker 1: while it's hot? I mean he's going in there against Markacheff,

1638
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 1: who's on an a fight win streak. It looks like

1639
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 1: the next big thing straight from the smash factory. Luke,

1640
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 1: if he goes in there and wins it, are you

1641
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 1: just asking me if it's a folk hero type feeling

1642
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:34,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna get from it?

1643
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 2: Like the guy who I mean, Seroni did a lot

1644
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 2: of things right. He had this sort of like you know,

1645
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 2: the cowboy right, so he's got a certain identity, but

1646
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:44,640
Speaker 2: that identity was matched with he showed up all the

1647
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:46,599
Speaker 2: time and took fights. Whether he won or he lost,

1648
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 2: you knew he was good enough to beat good fighters,

1649
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:50,879
Speaker 2: and he did. Like he's got winsor for Eddie Alvarez

1650
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 2: and you can go down the list. But he wasn't

1651
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 2: the best of that division, but he was just he

1652
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 2: was there to show up. He was there to fucking bang.

1653
01:17:57,920 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 2: And uh, maybe he doesn't beat all the best fighters

1654
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,120
Speaker 2: all the time, but he beats good ones certainly time

1655
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 2: to time, and he just always is down for a

1656
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 2: fucking scrap. I feel like Hooker could slide into a

1657
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 2: similar ish kind of territory. He doesn't have like the

1658
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 2: cowboy thing going on, but pretty close the.

1659
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:18,799
Speaker 1: Difference is that Cowboy is a brawler with skills, whereas

1660
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 1: Hooker is a skilled fighter who loves to brawl. That's

1661
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 1: the difference.

1662
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 2: That might be true, But don't you feel like with

1663
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:30,559
Speaker 2: with condat gone and with serony gone, the fight game

1664
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:33,679
Speaker 2: is missing a certain kind of guy, not the best

1665
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 2: one in the division, but the one that grabs the

1666
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 2: people by virtue of the way they fight on occasion,

1667
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 2: they're fighting ability, and then their willingness to meet any challengers.

1668
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 2: There's something like that wherever the Cooker can slide into

1669
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:46,519
Speaker 2: that spot.

1670
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 1: It's like a Rocky Balboa meets badass like wrestling character

1671
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 1: type of vibe. I mean that's what made Cowboy special, right, Yeah,

1672
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 1: I don't think Dan Hooker has that personality, Luke. And

1673
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 1: I do think he's looking upwards with this move. He's look,

1674
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 1: he's not doing just to kash a check, just to

1675
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 1: please the UFC. I really think Dan Hooker knows what's

1676
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 1: inside of him. Luke knows he's championship material, figured out

1677
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 1: through his own missteps by you know, going to hell

1678
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 1: a few times against elite guys and it's now like

1679
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 1: I'm taking advantage. But Luke, I mean, uh, Uh, he's

1680
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 1: not gonna see his family for a long damn time.

1681
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if they could, if he could send

1682
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 1: for them, can you send for them, Luke.

1683
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know how that works, dude, and

1684
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:27,639
Speaker 2: I don't envy a situation.

1685
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 1: Wow, he's going for it, I mean, Luke, Uh, it's

1686
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 1: just real quick style wise. How do they match up?

1687
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 1: I mean, can can the new hooker handle this man

1688
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 1: on the ground? No? One handles this man on the ground.

1689
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 2: No, on the ground. No. I think he's gonna get

1690
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:41,799
Speaker 2: completely overwhelmed on the feet. It could be quite interesting. Obviously,

1691
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 2: Adreano Martinz had his way with makat Cheff a long

1692
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 2: time ago. Whoever it was, I think it was Adreana Martinz.

1693
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 2: He did get the head, Kko, you know, maybe that's

1694
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 2: still there. But I tend to think they're gonna he's

1695
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 2: gonna put listen. It's a tough fight for Dan. It's

1696
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:58,639
Speaker 2: a tough fight for Dan. If if Islam plays ball

1697
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 2: at range, then anything is possible. I just tend to

1698
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 2: think that he won't, all.

1699
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: Right, Luke. We had teased, based on some social media reports,

1700
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 1: that Dom Cruz could be heading the way of Sean O'Malley,

1701
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 1: that is not true. UFC two sixty nine, a loaded

1702
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 1: December eleventh pay per view, will now have Dominic Cruz

1703
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 1: versus Pedro Munio is at bandam Way your thoughts.

1704
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 2: Luke, love that fight. Tough fight for Cruse. I think

1705
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,719
Speaker 2: Pedro Munos is a leg kicker and a heavy hitter

1706
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 2: and a guy who's willing to take one to give one.

1707
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 2: Is going to be a tough matchup for this version

1708
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 2: of Cruz who's not quite as fleet a foot and

1709
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,640
Speaker 2: nimble as he once was. I think also people kind

1710
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:34,640
Speaker 2: of figured out his game a little bit with some

1711
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 2: of the leg kicking. So it's a great fight for Pedro.

1712
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 2: But also if your Cruse, you got to respect the

1713
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 2: fact that he is not shying away from a difficult

1714
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 2: challenge even in the twilight years of whatever he has

1715
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,839
Speaker 2: left in his career, and winnable still quite quite winnable.

1716
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 2: Good fight, great fight.

1717
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 1: I mean, Munios has lost three or four he is

1718
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 1: thirty five, although against elite competition. And you know the

1719
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 1: problem for Cruz, Luke, is that style doesn't age well.

1720
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, why did l Iverson stopped being

1721
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 1: a lead at like age thirty one, Like you know

1722
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:06,640
Speaker 1: that that style is built upon speed and movement and

1723
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 1: elusiveness and when that goes, yeah, you can add the

1724
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 1: veteran tricks and be wiley. And obviously dom Cruz's story

1725
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 1: is different from anyone else because of how hard he's

1726
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 1: worked to just get back out there after so many setbacks.

1727
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 1: But to you what, to your point, this is a

1728
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 1: winnable fight for him, but it's got to go his way.

1729
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 1: In his favor, Luke, In his favor is he's tough

1730
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 1: at shit. Mentally, he can take a punch, and you

1731
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:31,600
Speaker 1: know he's he's got a very sharp nose, Luke for

1732
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 1: for the musk of referees. Apparently all right, Luke, let's

1733
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 1: keep it going. December eighteenth, headlining a Fight Night card Ripkel,

1734
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry not headlining, but Raquel Pennington back quick against

1735
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,599
Speaker 1: Julia Avila. Do you like that one? At bandamweight?

1736
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 2: I think memory Serves could be wrong about this. I

1737
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 2: think she just got her black belt. That's a tough

1738
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:58,640
Speaker 2: fight for Pennington. That's a tough fight. I think that

1739
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 2: Avila is sort of a i'm canvy, a come forward

1740
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,680
Speaker 2: not brawler, but she gets to work.

1741
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 1: If you hang out in the clinch with Rocky. She'll

1742
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 1: piece you up. But if you can stay on the outside,

1743
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 1: you can beat her.

1744
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 2: So it's good, right, I mean it's how Holly Holm

1745
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 2: got it done basically, So uh, I like it, But

1746
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 2: tough fight for Rocky.

1747
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 1: That same night, your new main event is are rescheduling

1748
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 1: when Misha don't call her Cupcake Tate Luke is in

1749
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:26,639
Speaker 1: against Kaitlyn Vieira, so we'll finally see that one. You'd

1750
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 1: have to believe Luke with a win, she could be

1751
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 1: paired against Holly Holm if Home wins her uh her

1752
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 1: normal Dumont fight coming up.

1753
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:36,800
Speaker 2: I have some breaking news for you that I think

1754
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 2: you would like and appreciate. Guess who missed weight?

1755
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 1: Oh no, oh no, it's got to be a UFC.

1756
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 1: It's UFC. Who is it, Kevin Holly?

1757
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 2: Let's go coming in at a.

1758
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 1: Just just you can make it an open weight fight. Look,

1759
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 1: we just want to see her dance one more, right,

1760
01:22:58,240 --> 01:22:58,600
Speaker 1: you just.

1761
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 2: You you know who doesn't want to see Latina women

1762
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 2: do that? I mean it's just sort of an obvious thing.

1763
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 1: Look, let's be honest here. We talk about like the

1764
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 1: cowboy swagger and persona. We don't have that too often

1765
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 1: or ever in the women's game. Somebody who's got that

1766
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 1: gunslinger that's bets Koheia bro. We should put a little

1767
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 1: bit more respect on her name. I agree. Okay, final fight, Luke,

1768
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:23,839
Speaker 1: This one is straight up the BC lane November twelfth,

1769
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:27,759
Speaker 1: Cheyenne Bays Luke. Who's who's running hot after that fifty

1770
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 1: K bonus taking on Loma Luke boonby the the uh?

1771
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 2: What is she at?

1772
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 1: What country is she from?

1773
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 2: Luke? Thailand?

1774
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 1: Thailand? That's right, and she's got those straight front kicks, Luke.

1775
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 1: This is an interesting matchup. I think Bays is gonna

1776
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:44,639
Speaker 1: get more attention then, let's say her ability might call

1777
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:46,600
Speaker 1: for at this point because of everything we've seen with

1778
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:48,639
Speaker 1: the fighter pay and stuff. But Luke, I think she's

1779
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:50,799
Speaker 1: must see. She's she's got a you know, a spunky

1780
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,560
Speaker 1: attitude there the wife of course of JP Bays, and

1781
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 1: I think she's someone to watch. So this is an

1782
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 1: interesting style matchup.

1783
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 2: Also diff and styles of striking. I think the overall

1784
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:05,720
Speaker 2: more well rounded fighter is Bays, but Luke boone me

1785
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 2: is a much better striker and I think is surprisingly

1786
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 2: strong for that weight class as well. It's losing certain positions.

1787
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 2: I'd say again, dude, the UFC matchmakers are doing a

1788
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 2: good job of putting together the right kinds of pieces

1789
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 2: of the puzzles for each of these fighters to solve,

1790
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 2: and then you can make a better read about what

1791
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:23,599
Speaker 2: it means after the fact. I like this one as well.

1792
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, gonna be interesting, all right. Our final main topic

1793
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 1: here Luke Clarissa Shields, the decorated two time Olympic gold

1794
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 1: medalist boxing champion. Of course we'll have her second pro

1795
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 1: MMA fight October twenty second at the PFL Championship event. Well, Luke,

1796
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 1: they had a press conference and she had some very

1797
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 1: interesting words on a few topics. Let's go to the

1798
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:46,480
Speaker 1: videotape to react to this first.

1799
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 3: One, please, next question is for Claressa A. Manda Sarana

1800
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 3: got on a Jake paulcard which was on Showtime. A

1801
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 3: lot of people watch that. Do you ever want to

1802
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 3: be on a Jake Paul card as well and maybe

1803
01:24:57,360 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 3: get that grand stage as she got.

1804
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 4: Don't ever disrespect me. I would never fight on an

1805
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:05,839
Speaker 4: undercard of j Paul. I'm a three time division world champion,

1806
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 4: two time Olympic gold medalist in boxing. I will never

1807
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 4: fight on the undercard Jake Paul before I get on

1808
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:15,599
Speaker 4: on the undercard of a guy that's having a circus show.

1809
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:19,400
Speaker 4: You know, Like, no disrespects Timewan Woolley, no dispect.

1810
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:19,599
Speaker 1: To j Paul.

1811
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 4: But I'm a real boxer, like I can beat up

1812
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 4: Jake Paul at the way class I'm at right now.

1813
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 1: So no, I would never fight on.

1814
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:32,679
Speaker 4: The undercard of somebody who does not possess the skills

1815
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 4: or the accomplishment that I have.

1816
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 1: Luke, that's uh. Them are some fighting words right there,

1817
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 1: your reaction to a very outspoken Clorisa Shields.

1818
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 2: I understand why she's saying that. I mean, dude, if

1819
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 2: you're Claros, I mean, just take a step back here,

1820
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 2: Like why is she an mm dude? She's never made

1821
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:53,560
Speaker 2: because she can't get the respect on the payday she

1822
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 2: wants in her sport of choice. You know, she is

1823
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:59,360
Speaker 2: a two time fucking gold medalist and three division champion

1824
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 2: and has headline shows on Showtime. I've seen them, You've

1825
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 2: covered them, like you know. And then someone be like, hey,

1826
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 2: would you fight on the undercart of a guy who

1827
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 2: you know whose brother filmed a dude hanging in a Forest, like,

1828
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 2: you know, it's I can understand why she feels insulted

1829
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:16,760
Speaker 2: to a degree, like I kind of get that, but

1830
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:18,760
Speaker 2: at the same time, it's like, could you beat Jake?

1831
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:21,320
Speaker 2: I you know, obviously she's the more skilled boxer, but

1832
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:24,840
Speaker 2: with size and gender differences, I sincerely doubt that. And

1833
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:32,680
Speaker 2: then let's less the point. It's it's I'll just say this,

1834
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 2: I understand why she's insulted, but there is a conversation.

1835
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 2: I keep bringing this, ub BC, and you don't want

1836
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 2: to have this conversation sometimes, but I think you need to.

1837
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:43,640
Speaker 2: We need to have at least I don't know that

1838
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 2: I'm right, I really, especially on this one. I don't

1839
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 2: know that I'm right. But my feeling on this is

1840
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 2: sometimes in most cases, you can have men and women's

1841
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:56,719
Speaker 2: sports and they do the exact same things, and sometimes

1842
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 2: there can be the sports where they're different and they

1843
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:01,559
Speaker 2: are not fair, like when they gave women three minute

1844
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:04,600
Speaker 2: rounds as supposed to five and mma, I remember I

1845
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:06,759
Speaker 2: lived through that era. I remember it. It was unfair

1846
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 2: when even in tennis, like why do the women fight

1847
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:12,240
Speaker 2: play three senses of supposed to five? Like there's lots

1848
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 2: of ways where we kind of gender the sport and

1849
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 2: make it unfair with these unnecessary handicaps against women. And

1850
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 2: I fully respect that, But one thing I always go

1851
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 2: back to is, dude, women's MMA is a lot more

1852
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 2: exciting than women's boxing. It just is. I don't know

1853
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 2: why this is a controversial opinion, and I understand that

1854
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:31,559
Speaker 2: we don't even see the best version of women's boxing

1855
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:33,839
Speaker 2: by some of the systemic issues that make it limited

1856
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 2: in the way that it is. But for example, while

1857
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 2: there are many sports where the men and women play

1858
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 2: under similar, if not identical rules, in gymnastics, for example,

1859
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:46,160
Speaker 2: the men and women don't do the same events. There

1860
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 2: is obviously a lot of overlap, and it's still all gymnastics,

1861
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 2: but it's not the exact same things. We don't ask women,

1862
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 2: for example, to do the iron rings, and the men,

1863
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:57,840
Speaker 2: I don't think, have the double bars, for example, because

1864
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 2: their bodies do separate things do may brings. I think

1865
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 2: the athleticism and the overall IQ of women's in a

1866
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:06,800
Speaker 2: way that the boxing not so much the IQ, but

1867
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 2: all of the various weapons that they can bring to

1868
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:12,040
Speaker 2: bear in a way that is just significantly more dynamic.

1869
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 1: I mean, we're getting there in boxing it's at a point,

1870
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 1: you know, for the first time since the Christy Martin

1871
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 1: Layla Lee run there on pay per view, we're getting

1872
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 1: there where there's paydays in placement. But I think you

1873
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 1: know what Clorisa Shane is, you know, for someone of

1874
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:27,800
Speaker 1: her accomplishments, is just not where it needs to be. Luke,

1875
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 1: you can argue fair that that, you know, even even

1876
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:35,439
Speaker 1: bigger than tennis, MMA might give women's sports the most

1877
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 1: respect compared to the to the men's side, right, I mean, MMA,

1878
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 1: they're fighting the same on a rounds the same feature,

1879
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, look seriously, like the pay is high.

1880
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 1: I mean when there's tennis.

1881
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 2: Get you really think that the stakeholders, the networks, the fans,

1882
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 2: the sponsors, the community. Do you think that an MMA

1883
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 2: that women get a bigger role because the fan base

1884
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:02,799
Speaker 2: and the spoonsors and the promoters and the television networks

1885
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 2: are just much more enlightened about the plight of women's sports.

1886
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 2: That seems to me an obviously nonsense argument. No, not

1887
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:12,680
Speaker 2: at all. It's a better product. I don't know why

1888
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 2: I don't feel that way on the men's side. By

1889
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 2: the way, I don't feel you can like MMA or

1890
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:20,479
Speaker 2: boxing however you want. Are we really going to argue

1891
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:23,559
Speaker 2: that women's boxing is just as dynamic as high level

1892
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 2: women's MMA.

1893
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:28,120
Speaker 1: That sounds absurd, It's not so. I think it's the

1894
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:31,559
Speaker 1: reason why the WNBA has made, you know, huge strides

1895
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Speaker 1: since it's launch in nineteen ninety seven. But there's still

1896
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 1: a ceiling on that. Look there is. There's still a

1897
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Speaker 1: ceiling on that for a certain number of male fans

1898
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Speaker 1: who look at the overall difference between the games of

1899
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:45,639
Speaker 1: the two men's versus female and don't you know, aren't

1900
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Speaker 1: entertained on the same level. I think again, tennis and

1901
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 1: mixed martial arts is maybe where it's the most even

1902
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,759
Speaker 1: in terms of your entertainment value and the way it's presented.

1903
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:56,679
Speaker 1: Boxing were not quite there. But also, to be fair,

1904
01:29:57,160 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 1: women's MMA had some of the personalities that you need.

1905
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:04,679
Speaker 1: When women first started getting attention on Strikeforce on Showtime,

1906
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 1: you had Cyborg who was like the perfect scary villain,

1907
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:11,120
Speaker 1: Gina Carrano as your first sort of like you know,

1908
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:13,680
Speaker 1: good looking babyface come into your living room, and then

1909
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:16,240
Speaker 1: you know, that evolved into like Ronda Rousey and Misha

1910
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 1: Tate and where we are now, you know, boxing hadn't

1911
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 1: had that for so long, and I can totally understand it,

1912
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:25,519
Speaker 1: Clarisa Shield saying I am that. I am your homegrown,

1913
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Speaker 1: decorated You know, we finally allowed women's boxing in the Olympics.

1914
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 1: I won two gold medals and you still won't give

1915
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Speaker 1: me love. And I think it's why. Sometimes she can

1916
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:34,439
Speaker 1: have a chip on her shoulder and she can be

1917
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Speaker 1: abrasive to people. I've always supported the way she tells

1918
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Speaker 1: it like it is, and I appreciate that. You know

1919
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 1: who else tells it like it is? Luke? Did you

1920
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:43,719
Speaker 1: hear the voice of the guy who asked Clorisa that question?

1921
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:45,640
Speaker 2: I did, but I couldn't place it.

1922
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Speaker 1: There's a man named Darnell Giovanni. He goes on the

1923
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 1: Twitter handle at Mystic Black Mma. He tweeted you and

1924
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 1: I last night and said, I'm that reporter. How about

1925
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:57,760
Speaker 1: having me come on the show tomorrow and speak about it? Look,

1926
01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 1: do you at least given Darnell right? At least give

1927
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:03,240
Speaker 1: that man Black Mystic Mma credit for shooting his shot?

1928
01:31:03,320 --> 01:31:05,840
Speaker 2: Luke, what shot did he shoot?

1929
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:07,599
Speaker 1: He wanted to come on our show today and talk

1930
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Speaker 1: about this topic.

1931
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:10,320
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, I guess so. But we don't really

1932
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:10,880
Speaker 2: do that kind of thing.

1933
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Speaker 1: Fuck that. No, No, actually, Luke didn't know Clayton closing here.

1934
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:18,160
Speaker 1: Clarissa talk with our friend of the program, Danny Segurha

1935
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:20,600
Speaker 1: of MMA Junkie in a one on one interview, and

1936
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:23,080
Speaker 1: she said, quote, I feel like I wouldn't have switched

1937
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 1: over to MFMMA if I could have become a household

1938
01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:28,640
Speaker 1: name in boxing. I feel like I did everything I

1939
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 1: could do in boxing to be that household name and

1940
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:33,920
Speaker 1: get that million dollar check. Even with all my accomplishments,

1941
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 1: it's still not enough and that's pissed me off. But

1942
01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 1: I decided instead of retiring from boxing and saying f

1943
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 1: this sport, I'm going to keep defending my titles in boxing,

1944
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:44,559
Speaker 1: but I'm going to use my youth of being twenty

1945
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:47,080
Speaker 1: six and see what I can do by the age

1946
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 1: of thirty two, see if I can become an MMA

1947
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 1: champion and become a household name. I'm already a household

1948
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:55,479
Speaker 1: name in MMA in the past few months, so I've

1949
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:59,080
Speaker 1: started MMA. So Luke essentially, she says she wishes she

1950
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:03,760
Speaker 1: started MMA sooner because of the notoriety is limitless there

1951
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 1: where she sees the ceilings in boxing and part of

1952
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:08,760
Speaker 1: her I'll never fight on a Jake Paul card was

1953
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:11,519
Speaker 1: sort of aimed at Amanda Serrano, who was just, by

1954
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:13,760
Speaker 1: the way, the first fighter signed to Jake Paul's new

1955
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 1: promotion you know, or management company whatever it is, MVP there.

1956
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:20,360
Speaker 1: And you know, Serrano did make her biggest payday by

1957
01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:22,479
Speaker 1: far being on that Jake Paul comin event on the

1958
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:25,599
Speaker 1: showtime pay per view. So interesting stance. I don't think

1959
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 1: she's wrong on a lot of her points, Luke, but

1960
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:30,120
Speaker 1: she's basically giving herself a six year window here to

1961
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:32,640
Speaker 1: do something at MMA. Luckily, for her credit, she is

1962
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:35,720
Speaker 1: young enough. I mean Holly Holm crossed over and much

1963
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:38,840
Speaker 1: later although she did have a kickboxing background.

1964
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:40,680
Speaker 2: Yes she did. And it will also be what kind

1965
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 2: of effort she puts into this if it's still moonlighting

1966
01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:45,599
Speaker 2: or not, Like, you know, there's a lot of work

1967
01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:48,000
Speaker 2: that goes into learning how to wrestle. It's not you

1968
01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:50,519
Speaker 2: know everyone from the If you're just a fan and

1969
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 2: you watch UFC, you're like, oh, it's a sort of

1970
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 2: reflex like they're all pretty good at it. No, you

1971
01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:57,560
Speaker 2: have it's it's it's very very difficult. But you know,

1972
01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 2: I I love what she doing. To be quite honest

1973
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:03,040
Speaker 2: with you, like I don't agree with everything she says,

1974
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:04,720
Speaker 2: but I love that she speaks her mind. I love

1975
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:06,599
Speaker 2: her chip on her shoulder attitude. I think that's going

1976
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:09,880
Speaker 2: to serve her very well in MMA and marketing herself

1977
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 2: and then having the right attitude towards training. She's with

1978
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 2: a good team, Like, there's a lot of reasons to

1979
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:17,519
Speaker 2: be confident one step at a time. But dude, I hope,

1980
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:19,599
Speaker 2: I hope she finds what she's looking for. I wish

1981
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:23,040
Speaker 2: she could have found it in boxing. But you know, dude,

1982
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 2: like tell me, as just an example, tell me which

1983
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:30,080
Speaker 2: of her boxing fights, any of them, was more fun

1984
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 2: and more full of thrilling action than her MMA debut?

1985
01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 2: Which one?

1986
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:36,680
Speaker 1: None? And I think she's right?

1987
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:38,599
Speaker 2: This is this is my point. It's like, dude, why

1988
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:41,120
Speaker 2: are we ignoring the answer here?

1989
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 1: She has had some fun fights, but I think that

1990
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:45,800
Speaker 1: they're largely crippled by the two minute round set up.

1991
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:47,120
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, we've been down on the road

1992
01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:49,679
Speaker 1: that debate. Just make it even, and we can start

1993
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:52,360
Speaker 1: making the pay even for the fighters that deserve it,

1994
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:54,719
Speaker 1: you know, all right, whatever, we'll see.

1995
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 2: Fair point again when she talks about the systemic issues

1996
01:33:57,520 --> 01:33:59,879
Speaker 2: that hold her back in boxing. She is a thousand

1997
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:03,080
Speaker 2: percent correct. Everything she says is true. I just feel

1998
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:05,599
Speaker 2: like we're not having the conversation that needs to be had.

1999
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair, all right, Luca, whether we're right or

2000
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 1: wrong on that debate. Luckily, Luke, we have an email

2001
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 1: address where you can tell us Morning Combat at gmail

2002
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:18,280
Speaker 1: dot com. You're home for Wednesday's fan subs and Fridays.

2003
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:20,439
Speaker 1: Did wrong?

2004
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:25,000
Speaker 2: Did wrong? Seven different levels to devil worship and horse sex,

2005
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:27,840
Speaker 2: human sacrifices, cannibalism, candles, and extracism.

2006
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:32,160
Speaker 1: A big meet, call me Larry Hoover. All right, here's

2007
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:34,120
Speaker 1: how it works. You tell us what we got wrong,

2008
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 1: but you better have receipts and we still might shit

2009
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:40,960
Speaker 1: all over you. Number one year. This is Jordan from Hawaii,

2010
01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:43,840
Speaker 1: Luke from the fiftieth state. He says, Aloha, this is

2011
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:47,000
Speaker 1: a dead wrong for BC. On the UFC's two to

2012
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:51,320
Speaker 1: sixty six pregame preview with Chuck around eighteen minutes, BC

2013
01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:56,919
Speaker 1: mentions he and he assumes I'm talking about Volkanowski, finished

2014
01:34:57,040 --> 01:35:00,920
Speaker 1: Pedro Munoz. He'll finish you if you walk into something

2015
01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:05,840
Speaker 1: end quote BC. First of all, Vulk never fought Munyo's

2016
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:10,479
Speaker 1: second Pedro has never been finished. Not sure whom BC

2017
01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 1: may have confused for Munno's maybe Mendez last finish, Loved

2018
01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:17,080
Speaker 1: the show, excited for the new things to come. A

2019
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:20,320
Speaker 1: couple points here, Luke number one, if I said that

2020
01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:23,720
Speaker 1: I was dead wrong, absolutely, yes I was. I was

2021
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:26,879
Speaker 1: one hundred percent confusing him in the moment with Chad Mendes.

2022
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:29,680
Speaker 1: And as we've already put out there, Luke at forty three,

2023
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:33,519
Speaker 1: I made a dire mistake by drinking four drinks in

2024
01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:36,200
Speaker 1: less than an hour and saying the words yo and

2025
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:39,280
Speaker 1: bitch at you know, ad nauseum. So you know, I

2026
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:41,719
Speaker 1: can I can only regret a lot of what happened

2027
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:42,320
Speaker 1: that night, Luke.

2028
01:35:42,439 --> 01:35:47,040
Speaker 2: We should just call that podcast Yo bitch episode two.

2029
01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:49,280
Speaker 1: Real talk like men do. That's what I want to

2030
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:51,680
Speaker 1: call it. No, thank you for sending that in. Yeah,

2031
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:53,320
Speaker 1: I was dead wrong. Look, I'm getting a lot of it.

2032
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:55,320
Speaker 1: I'm getting a little bit of hate coming at me

2033
01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:58,519
Speaker 1: saying I always knew BC was a real bitch inside,

2034
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:01,840
Speaker 1: and he proved it in that Cleveland Indians box by

2035
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:05,360
Speaker 1: not going you know, I mean, look, there is there

2036
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:07,640
Speaker 1: a little bit of kfe at play in some of

2037
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:10,080
Speaker 1: these doc moments. You can decide which which parts are

2038
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:13,840
Speaker 1: that for you. I was also under the influence of

2039
01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:18,479
Speaker 1: of of uh yeah, all right, look, okay, you know

2040
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:20,559
Speaker 1: I can also only drink a certain mouth.

2041
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:23,479
Speaker 2: Listen. I was there in that room you hold out

2042
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:23,880
Speaker 2: like you.

2043
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:26,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if I hold out, Luke, there was

2044
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:27,439
Speaker 1: a you know, there.

2045
01:36:27,439 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 2: Was you bissed out, you bisched out.

2046
01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:32,080
Speaker 1: I don't know more news out eleven one day. Okay,

2047
01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:35,080
Speaker 1: Luke in our Patreon show, I'll show you my bloodstream from.

2048
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:37,760
Speaker 2: The exactly exactly yeah, all right, number two looke.

2049
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:40,400
Speaker 1: This is from Jordan on episode two oh seven at

2050
01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:44,160
Speaker 1: thirty seven minutes, and BC wonders if the resume may

2051
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:47,759
Speaker 1: review will go to eight and oh if Nick Diaz loses,

2052
01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 1: please dead wrong me if I am incorrect, but I'm

2053
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 1: pretty sure that there have only been seven resume reviews McGregor, Atisania, Mio, Chich, Woodley, Masvidal, Pitbull,

2054
01:36:57,640 --> 01:37:00,400
Speaker 1: and now Diaz. You are correct, sir. In that moment,

2055
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:02,439
Speaker 1: I hadn't had the number. Mikey, our producer, I think

2056
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:04,719
Speaker 1: right after I said that, did send me a text.

2057
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 1: It's seven and zher with six stoppages up to this point. Hey, Luke,

2058
01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:14,559
Speaker 1: you know what we should do? Should consider consider trying

2059
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:15,160
Speaker 1: one in boxing?

2060
01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:19,120
Speaker 2: What do you think? I think it's a good idea.

2061
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:20,800
Speaker 2: I think it's a good idea.

2062
01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:24,240
Speaker 1: What if we I mean that Okay, that would be

2063
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:26,679
Speaker 1: a frae. Canelo is a I think he's a minus

2064
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:29,680
Speaker 1: seven hundred favorite right now. Yeah, that would be a

2065
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:32,080
Speaker 1: test of this thing. A lot of people that were saying.

2066
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:34,599
Speaker 2: I would that would be interesting, that would be interesting.

2067
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:36,559
Speaker 1: There are a lot of people though, that are saying,

2068
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:39,439
Speaker 1: first of all, that same night as UFC, and you've

2069
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:42,600
Speaker 1: got a chance to sting up Colby. But there's just

2070
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:44,320
Speaker 1: as many people that are dming me going, hey, if

2071
01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:46,200
Speaker 1: you want to test it, put it on usman that night,

2072
01:37:46,240 --> 01:37:48,800
Speaker 1: if you really want to test that shit, Luke, No.

2073
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:50,240
Speaker 2: I think if you want to test it, you put

2074
01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:54,760
Speaker 2: it on Canelo because he's such an overwhelming favorite, all right,

2075
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:57,679
Speaker 2: like neither I don't know who the favorite is between

2076
01:37:57,720 --> 01:38:00,200
Speaker 2: Colby and Camaro, probably Kamorrow. I doubt he is a

2077
01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:03,040
Speaker 2: huge favorite. He's not. He is not going to be

2078
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:06,680
Speaker 2: minus seven hundred against Colby. I guarantee you that I can.

2079
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:08,640
Speaker 1: I can tell you the answer to that, Luke, I

2080
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:10,840
Speaker 1: have it right here if you're willing.

2081
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:10,960
Speaker 2: To hear it.

2082
01:38:11,439 --> 01:38:13,880
Speaker 1: As of right now, DraftKings has Colby at plus two

2083
01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 1: forty five minus three ten tomorrow.

2084
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:18,800
Speaker 2: That's actually a lot higher than I thought it would be,

2085
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:21,840
Speaker 2: but even then, not even close to minus seven hundred.

2086
01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:25,680
Speaker 1: Why don't we just put it on way Lee to

2087
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:29,880
Speaker 1: her odds, she's minus one oh five and Rose is

2088
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:31,040
Speaker 1: minus one fifteen.

2089
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:33,360
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, it's hard to tell who's gonna win

2090
01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:33,640
Speaker 2: that one.

2091
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:37,120
Speaker 1: I mean, no day, Yeah, that's interesting, all right. Uh Joseph,

2092
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:42,160
Speaker 1: Dan and Hansel sent this one no word from gret Gretel. Gretel,

2093
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:47,120
Speaker 1: all right, hey, donks Gretel on Monday's episode, is that

2094
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:49,720
Speaker 1: the fairy tale where the where that old lady eats them?

2095
01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:50,400
Speaker 1: Or did I make that?

2096
01:38:50,479 --> 01:38:53,280
Speaker 2: Yeahdude, they're putting kids and shit or whoever in ovens.

2097
01:38:53,320 --> 01:38:55,560
Speaker 1: It's like that's like the Holocaust. Yeah, that's I'm not

2098
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:58,200
Speaker 1: I'm not supporting that joke at all, Luke, Hey, Donk's

2099
01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:01,719
Speaker 1: on Monday's episode, while showing balance Tina's post win group photo,

2100
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:05,519
Speaker 1: Oh I got shit for this, BC claimed Brandon Moreno

2101
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:09,400
Speaker 1: was in the picture too, but that was not Brandon Moreno,

2102
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:13,200
Speaker 1: just a pale guy with dark hair and eyes, Luke,

2103
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:16,519
Speaker 1: I wish I had this guy's picture ready. They apparently

2104
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:18,719
Speaker 1: if you go on that picture and click the names,

2105
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:21,920
Speaker 1: it links to this man's Instagram account put it. Can

2106
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:24,400
Speaker 1: you please blow this up? I don't mean to sound

2107
01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:26,760
Speaker 1: like Mike Goldberg, hare, Luke, but if you look up

2108
01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:31,680
Speaker 1: the guy who that really is virtually identical? I think

2109
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:33,880
Speaker 1: that's a fair mistake. Look at that guy.

2110
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:37,240
Speaker 2: I think it's whitey who thinks all people of a

2111
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:44,479
Speaker 2: different nationality and potentially racial group just all look the same.

2112
01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:47,320
Speaker 1: Can somebody in the back quickly look up who that

2113
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 1: person is?

2114
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:52,920
Speaker 2: Apparently? So, why is Steve Bannon in her corner? Yeah?

2115
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:57,880
Speaker 1: Why is Ian Anderson from Jethro Tall with a purple

2116
01:39:57,960 --> 01:40:01,280
Speaker 1: cravat standing there partying up with him? Yes? All right, yes,

2117
01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:03,880
Speaker 1: apparently it's not Brandon Marino. And I will I will

2118
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:06,799
Speaker 1: take that l because that made a lot of people upset.

2119
01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:10,000
Speaker 1: All right, let's go here. This from Thomas Michael and

2120
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:14,880
Speaker 1: Mark quote, I'm afraid to say that douchebag flexing on

2121
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:18,920
Speaker 1: the subway was from Toronto. What can you say? Douchiness

2122
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:21,639
Speaker 1: is borderless? Luke? We got a bunch of people saying

2123
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:24,040
Speaker 1: this was not the New York City subway system, but

2124
01:40:24,160 --> 01:40:28,080
Speaker 1: because of those red seats and bars, that is Toronto.

2125
01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:29,760
Speaker 2: Where that that's fine, that's fine. I didn't know which

2126
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:31,200
Speaker 2: one it was. I had said it was New York.

2127
01:40:31,240 --> 01:40:32,960
Speaker 2: But you've actually go back and I'll take the l

2128
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:33,920
Speaker 2: like I definitely.

2129
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:36,760
Speaker 1: But you said it might be DC. You didn't know

2130
01:40:36,760 --> 01:40:37,640
Speaker 1: what we didn't know what it was.

2131
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had said, because the seats, like if you

2132
01:40:40,120 --> 01:40:42,640
Speaker 2: go to New York City seats, they're always flat to

2133
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:46,160
Speaker 2: the wall of the car itself. They don't stick out like.

2134
01:40:46,240 --> 01:40:46,960
Speaker 1: Well from that.

2135
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:50,120
Speaker 2: But I know this is not DC.

2136
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a yellow line in New York. I forgot

2137
01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:56,120
Speaker 1: there's letter and those have those seats, Luke, it's weird.

2138
01:40:56,160 --> 01:40:57,720
Speaker 1: It's awkward because there's that one in the corner that

2139
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:00,960
Speaker 1: I didn't know it because you're basically sitting in someone's crotch.

2140
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:02,519
Speaker 1: If you're sit in that corner seat, nobody.

2141
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:04,000
Speaker 2: Wants to sit I hate that. I hate that hit.

2142
01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, all right, uh here we go this Wow.

2143
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:09,519
Speaker 1: About seven different people sent this in I'm not even

2144
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:11,719
Speaker 1: gonna read their names. On Monday Show, at one twenty

2145
01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:15,599
Speaker 1: four fifteen, when talking about John Jones, BC said Connor

2146
01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:18,080
Speaker 1: did not get in trouble when he threw the dolly

2147
01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:20,960
Speaker 1: through the bus window and scared the crap out of Yojana.

2148
01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:24,600
Speaker 1: It was Rose who got scared, you big bitch. This

2149
01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:27,759
Speaker 1: just proves that BC sits at his desk without pants

2150
01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:31,200
Speaker 1: on thinking about Yoanna all day long. Loved the show

2151
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:33,240
Speaker 1: and I hope that was enough to get on the

2152
01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:34,160
Speaker 1: show on Friday.

2153
01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:34,560
Speaker 2: It was.

2154
01:41:34,680 --> 01:41:37,400
Speaker 1: And yes, in the moment, I was dead wrong, rateboard

2155
01:41:37,479 --> 01:41:40,200
Speaker 1: caught it to the eye. It was Rose who got

2156
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:43,240
Speaker 1: freaked out, and somebody else got hurt too, Luke, do

2157
01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:43,960
Speaker 1: you remember who it was?

2158
01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:45,879
Speaker 2: Michael Kiessa.

2159
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:47,720
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right, that's right.

2160
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:49,439
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, he sued Connor.

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01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:50,800
Speaker 1: Remember that's right.

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01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:51,240
Speaker 2: Okay.

2163
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:55,519
Speaker 1: Yeah. Connor, by the way, not not say no sanctioning

2164
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:57,960
Speaker 1: on him from the UFC at all. Like here, you

2165
01:41:58,000 --> 01:41:59,800
Speaker 1: want to make thirty million in one night for that,

2166
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:01,040
Speaker 1: let's use it to.

2167
01:42:01,240 --> 01:42:02,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's figure out a way.

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01:42:03,240 --> 01:42:05,240
Speaker 1: All right, Luke, your phone's buzzing. I'm sure you have

2169
01:42:05,320 --> 01:42:07,519
Speaker 1: to crap, so let's speed this up. Okay. This one's

2170
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:11,040
Speaker 1: from MOE at one thirty six fifty five in regards

2171
01:42:11,120 --> 01:42:14,840
Speaker 1: to CKB moving to the US and BC suggesting Kevin Lee.

2172
01:42:15,240 --> 01:42:16,559
Speaker 2: Luke beaten today.

2173
01:42:16,640 --> 01:42:20,799
Speaker 1: Huh, Luke states, what can Kevin Lee benefit from CKB

2174
01:42:21,040 --> 01:42:24,559
Speaker 1: that he doesn't get from Extreme Cuture. Luke is dead wrong,

2175
01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:28,719
Speaker 1: As Kevin Lee trains at TriStar. I also agree with BC.

2176
01:42:29,439 --> 01:42:33,080
Speaker 2: Kevin Lee trains at Extreme Couture and gets occasionally cornered

2177
01:42:33,200 --> 01:42:37,080
Speaker 2: by Faraz. It is not true his home jim is

2178
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:37,960
Speaker 2: extreme couture.

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01:42:38,439 --> 01:42:40,000
Speaker 1: Oh shit, Moe, what are you gonna do with that?

2180
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:41,240
Speaker 1: Moey also says.

2181
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:45,920
Speaker 2: He does train at Trystar on occasion. For sure, for sure,

2182
01:42:46,040 --> 01:42:47,840
Speaker 2: his home gym is extreme Couture. I know that for

2183
01:42:47,960 --> 01:42:48,280
Speaker 2: a fact.

2184
01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:51,000
Speaker 1: All right. Moe says that he agrees with BC that

2185
01:42:51,120 --> 01:42:53,559
Speaker 1: Lee would benefit from a move there because TriStar hasn't

2186
01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:56,960
Speaker 1: been having consistent success for a long time and they

2187
01:42:57,040 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 1: turn fighters into a generic JAB centric fighter with no

2188
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:03,640
Speaker 1: much else only fighting doing well there. Since Rory and

2189
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:08,400
Speaker 1: GSP is Arnold Allen, TriStar is where fighters with individual

2190
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:12,120
Speaker 1: styles go to die. End quote from Moeluke. You're not

2191
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:13,320
Speaker 1: gonna agree with that, shit.

2192
01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:16,120
Speaker 2: No, that's a complete oversimplification.

2193
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:20,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't know, shit, Moey all right, yeah, all right,

2194
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:22,760
Speaker 1: Greg slides in. First dead wrong was when the King

2195
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:27,080
Speaker 1: of Connecticut BC was discussing round four of Gas Out

2196
01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:32,080
Speaker 1: of Sonia, claiming Kelvin executed a near fight ending submission attempt.

2197
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:34,680
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, the submission attempt came in

2198
01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:38,040
Speaker 1: round five, and it wasn't Kelvin who nearly scored it.

2199
01:43:38,479 --> 01:43:42,439
Speaker 1: It was Atasania who locked up the tight triangle that

2200
01:43:42,640 --> 01:43:45,640
Speaker 1: Kelvin barely managed to escape. Okay, that's fair. I was

2201
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:48,400
Speaker 1: dead wrong. I forgot it was back and forth. It

2202
01:43:48,479 --> 01:43:50,040
Speaker 1: was the best fight I was ever at live though.

2203
01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:54,439
Speaker 2: Look, you'll never forget it except when you do. You know.

2204
01:43:54,520 --> 01:43:55,920
Speaker 1: One time in an interview I was like, is he

2205
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:58,800
Speaker 1: I just want to thank you for that fight, and Luke,

2206
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:00,560
Speaker 1: he was like touched And I didn't expect that.

2207
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:03,280
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good journalism from you to be like, yo, bro,

2208
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:04,639
Speaker 2: that shit was rad.

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01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:08,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, that shit was off the hook. Finally, Luke, Greg,

2210
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:11,000
Speaker 1: Bryan and Adam are here to say, don't worry, Luke,

2211
01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:14,240
Speaker 1: I saved you for last. The real life Brian Griffin

2212
01:44:14,360 --> 01:44:16,800
Speaker 1: was dead wrong during the odds and ends of the

2213
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:20,240
Speaker 1: show when discussing the current title picture at one thirty five,

2214
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:23,760
Speaker 1: claiming that TJ. Dillashaw once held an interim title in

2215
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:24,360
Speaker 1: the division.

2216
01:44:24,520 --> 01:44:25,920
Speaker 2: I know I got killed for this.

2217
01:44:26,479 --> 01:44:29,800
Speaker 1: Don't mean to be blonde, but TJ never held interim bro.

2218
01:44:30,360 --> 01:44:31,880
Speaker 1: He's a two time underscore.

2219
01:44:31,560 --> 01:44:34,960
Speaker 2: For some reason. Yeah, for some reason, dude, I assumed, like,

2220
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:37,479
Speaker 2: I mean, I lived through all this and I can't

2221
01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:40,160
Speaker 2: get it right. He beat Burrow and for some reason

2222
01:44:40,240 --> 01:44:44,600
Speaker 2: I thought that it was still I fucked it up,

2223
01:44:44,720 --> 01:44:45,559
Speaker 2: Like yes, yeah, wrong.

2224
01:44:45,680 --> 01:44:47,759
Speaker 1: He believes that you were thinking of Burrow.

2225
01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:49,760
Speaker 2: I must have been. I must have been.

2226
01:44:49,800 --> 01:44:51,240
Speaker 1: All right, hey, looks amazing.

2227
01:44:51,280 --> 01:44:52,680
Speaker 2: You can live through all this, And then like five

2228
01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:54,240
Speaker 2: years later, like, wait, what happened?

2229
01:44:55,080 --> 01:44:57,720
Speaker 1: I lived through Gasla Matta Sonya. I forgot which guy

2230
01:44:57,760 --> 01:45:00,599
Speaker 1: had the damn choc on Luke. We always close Friday

2231
01:45:00,720 --> 01:45:02,840
Speaker 1: show to send you off on the weekend with a

2232
01:45:02,920 --> 01:45:07,439
Speaker 1: little bit of advice, a recommendation, just a blunt, bare

2233
01:45:07,640 --> 01:45:10,120
Speaker 1: naked tip and then we rub it together. It's called

2234
01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:16,040
Speaker 1: tip to tip tip tier. This way we touched dog tips.

2235
01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:22,040
Speaker 2: All right, you got anything, I'll go first.

2236
01:45:22,479 --> 01:45:22,679
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2237
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:28,040
Speaker 2: Uh So, during the middle of the pandemic, most people

2238
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:29,960
Speaker 2: didn't pay attention to this. In fact, when it came

2239
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:31,759
Speaker 2: out I was shocked at how no one paid attention

2240
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:35,439
Speaker 2: to it. So with the US withdrew from Afghanistan, and

2241
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:37,240
Speaker 2: it was a shit show, and everyone had a take

2242
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:40,679
Speaker 2: about that. But there had been reporting during the middle

2243
01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:42,560
Speaker 2: of the pandemic that had presaged that. And there's a

2244
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:46,000
Speaker 2: glenn guy at the Post at Washington Post where I subscribe,

2245
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:47,240
Speaker 2: who has been doing a lot of work to this

2246
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:51,800
Speaker 2: effected name is Craig Whitlock. The reporting was so good

2247
01:45:51,960 --> 01:45:54,040
Speaker 2: that they put up this huge feature and again no

2248
01:45:54,160 --> 01:45:56,519
Speaker 2: one paid attention to it, died on the vine in

2249
01:45:56,560 --> 01:45:58,559
Speaker 2: the middle of the pandemic, but it ended up being

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01:45:58,640 --> 01:46:01,040
Speaker 2: so important that they turned it into a book. It

2251
01:46:01,160 --> 01:46:03,160
Speaker 2: was in the plan to be a book even prior

2252
01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:06,920
Speaker 2: to the withdrawal, but they still put it all together.

2253
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:10,200
Speaker 2: So here's a book recommendation for you. It is called

2254
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:12,720
Speaker 2: The Afghanistan Papers by Craig Whitlock. And we pulled upack

2255
01:46:12,720 --> 01:46:13,880
Speaker 2: a little bit so you can see the cover and

2256
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:17,479
Speaker 2: it does not all blurry. There you have it. This

2257
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:21,040
Speaker 2: is the definitive account of all of the ways in

2258
01:46:21,120 --> 01:46:25,760
Speaker 2: which the United States government and the military leadership involved

2259
01:46:25,880 --> 01:46:28,360
Speaker 2: all knew that this was a disaster, waiting to happen

2260
01:46:28,439 --> 01:46:30,720
Speaker 2: that there was no way once we left there was

2261
01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:32,800
Speaker 2: ever going to be any kind of stable democracy. It

2262
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:34,640
Speaker 2: was always going to go back to the Taliban, and

2263
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:38,240
Speaker 2: that everyone lied to the American people along the way,

2264
01:46:38,280 --> 01:46:41,360
Speaker 2: across four different administrations and two different political parties. There

2265
01:46:41,400 --> 01:46:45,360
Speaker 2: you go, there's a definitive account. Craig Whitlock's the Afghanistan Papers.

2266
01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:48,280
Speaker 2: This is the definitive account of what happened.

2267
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:50,400
Speaker 1: Seems like a riveting read. Luke.

2268
01:46:51,240 --> 01:46:53,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if you're into learning things.

2269
01:46:53,760 --> 01:46:56,639
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I'm into it being entertained by music. Luke

2270
01:46:56,680 --> 01:46:59,000
Speaker 1: and I hit up one of my favorite local rights.

2271
01:46:59,000 --> 01:47:01,560
Speaker 2: I've got this vinyl from this dude you never heard of.

2272
01:47:01,680 --> 01:47:03,840
Speaker 2: It goes on four hours of him just farting into

2273
01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:04,320
Speaker 2: a flute.

2274
01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:06,960
Speaker 1: So he's over at Sea Bugs Record Store in East Windsor,

2275
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:09,080
Speaker 1: Connecticut the other day and Luke, I had had had

2276
01:47:09,120 --> 01:47:12,599
Speaker 1: trouble finding this thing on vinyl locally for for a while,

2277
01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:14,680
Speaker 1: and I was so pumped up. So Luke, you know,

2278
01:47:14,760 --> 01:47:17,160
Speaker 1: I love me some Crosby Stills in Nash. I'm addicted

2279
01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:21,120
Speaker 1: to essentially acquiring every solo album from all four members.

2280
01:47:21,200 --> 01:47:24,439
Speaker 1: It's going to take time, especially with Neil Young's prolific nature.

2281
01:47:24,520 --> 01:47:28,560
Speaker 1: But Luke, even though David Crosby is largely considered the

2282
01:47:28,680 --> 01:47:32,240
Speaker 1: face of CSNY and really the Birds when he was there,

2283
01:47:33,479 --> 01:47:37,400
Speaker 1: he's kind of like overrated historically from the standpoint that

2284
01:47:38,040 --> 01:47:40,280
Speaker 1: he's not a great songwriter. He doesn't have a bunch

2285
01:47:40,320 --> 01:47:44,080
Speaker 1: of hits. In fact, his solo career is largely non existent.

2286
01:47:44,160 --> 01:47:46,479
Speaker 1: Much of his solo career was really a duo with

2287
01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:48,559
Speaker 1: him and Graham Nash. They went under the group name

2288
01:47:48,640 --> 01:47:53,240
Speaker 1: of Crosby and Nash. But he does have an epic album,

2289
01:47:53,479 --> 01:47:57,040
Speaker 1: his solo debut nineteen seventy one, that no one ever

2290
01:47:57,200 --> 01:48:01,599
Speaker 1: freaking talks about and is so unie, indifferent and weird

2291
01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:05,000
Speaker 1: and awesome that it is worth anyone's test drive if

2292
01:48:05,000 --> 01:48:06,640
Speaker 1: you're into this type of shit. It's called If I

2293
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:10,360
Speaker 1: could only remember my name this First of all, the

2294
01:48:10,360 --> 01:48:11,520
Speaker 1: album cover is fantastic.

2295
01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:14,600
Speaker 2: Could his nose be bigger? I mean, what are we

2296
01:48:14,680 --> 01:48:15,080
Speaker 2: doing now?

2297
01:48:15,160 --> 01:48:18,200
Speaker 1: Look? Crosby's an asshole in real life, and he's one

2298
01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:21,040
Speaker 1: of the most notorious drug users of all time. In fact,

2299
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:23,920
Speaker 1: if you remember Luke before, he only agreed to go

2300
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:25,639
Speaker 1: to rehab in eighty three if they let him shoot

2301
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:31,840
Speaker 1: Uparowin on the helicopter ride there. But as a harmonizing vocalist,

2302
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:36,240
Speaker 1: he's incredible. But this is his solo work of songs

2303
01:48:36,280 --> 01:48:40,360
Speaker 1: he wrote, and what makes this album so insanely good

2304
01:48:41,080 --> 01:48:45,200
Speaker 1: is it's extreme psychedelic rock and it was recorded in

2305
01:48:45,240 --> 01:48:49,080
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one, which came after the psychedelic boom. Yet

2306
01:48:49,120 --> 01:48:51,760
Speaker 1: it's a mixture of psychedelic and folk. And what makes

2307
01:48:51,800 --> 01:48:54,360
Speaker 1: it so super special are the session players on it.

2308
01:48:54,479 --> 01:48:56,960
Speaker 1: This was essentially him opening up the studio to all

2309
01:48:57,040 --> 01:49:00,360
Speaker 1: of his friends, so you have basically the entire Grave Dead,

2310
01:49:00,360 --> 01:49:03,879
Speaker 1: including Jerry Garcia on Slide, the members of Jefferson Airplane,

2311
01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:07,560
Speaker 1: the members of Santana, the other members of CSNY, and

2312
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:11,439
Speaker 1: Joni Mitchell interchanging on each song. And it is just

2313
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:15,160
Speaker 1: an incredible journey, especially in the Headphones Late at Night

2314
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:19,760
Speaker 1: of just really the final stand of that genre, psychedelic

2315
01:49:19,880 --> 01:49:22,799
Speaker 1: rock but with that folk influence, and it's a special

2316
01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:25,240
Speaker 1: mix right there. It's one of the forgotten great classic

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Speaker 1: rock albums, maybe largely because Crosby doesn't really have much

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Speaker 1: of a solo career and he's much more well known

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Speaker 1: for the projects he's done with others. But this is

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Speaker 1: a great, great one. And maybe that's the kind of

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Speaker 1: shit I'm into these days, and maybe you're not. But

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Speaker 1: if you stumble across this piece of vinyl and your

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Speaker 1: name is Aaron bronslater, you will not be disappointed. So

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Speaker 1: if that's a conversation for one, that's a fantastic album

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Speaker 1: that I'm happy to add to my collection. Luke, I

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01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:51,720
Speaker 1: am just becoming one with my turntable. I rock a

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two Quasar And you know, sometimes my wife

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01:49:56,439 --> 01:49:59,000
Speaker 1: wonders if that's the only woman I need in my life,

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01:49:59,080 --> 01:50:02,000
Speaker 1: you know, pair of headphones, plug it in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that's true, but uh, it's not

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01:50:05,240 --> 01:50:06,040
Speaker 2: the worst way to live.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where I'm at at age forty three. So

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Speaker 1: thank you very much, Luke. That's our show for this week.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully it was entertaining. What a week for us, Luke,

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Speaker 1: new doc bonus content, new segments. We got a lot

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Speaker 1: of good shit hitting you, So head on over to

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Speaker 1: YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat to check out what

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Speaker 1: you missed. If you care at all about Luke Thomas,

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Speaker 1: you can check out Thursday's live chat, which was moved

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Speaker 1: back to his personal channel on YouTube for the first time,

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Speaker 1: but you know that's more just trade or comedy bullshit.

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Speaker 1: You want to be doing MC stuff. Follow us at

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Speaker 1: the social handles below, like and subscribe to what we're

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Speaker 1: doing here on the road to one hundred K. Buy

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Speaker 1: live ten. Do that right now and you can get

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Speaker 1: yourself outfitted nicely and some good shit. Look, remember that couple.

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Speaker 1: There were two couples and they were in the living

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01:50:57,560 --> 01:50:58,880
Speaker 1: room and they all had shirts on and they were

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01:50:58,920 --> 01:51:02,880
Speaker 1: watching us. Yeah, they said, thank you for helping us

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01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:07,280
Speaker 1: make our house a home. What did we do just

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01:51:07,400 --> 01:51:10,639
Speaker 1: by putting? They said. So this is what this dude says.

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01:51:10,720 --> 01:51:13,800
Speaker 1: I respect this dude. He says that his girl and

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Speaker 1: his buddies girl, they hate fight sports, but every time

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01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:19,719
Speaker 1: they all hang out, they put on our show because

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01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:22,360
Speaker 1: they love the banter between us. They feel like they

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01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:24,880
Speaker 1: are the other friends in our friends circle.

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Speaker 2: That's cool. That's a nice that's actually a really nice compliment.

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01:51:29,080 --> 01:51:31,920
Speaker 2: It's definitely not true, but you know it's nice.

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01:51:32,280 --> 01:51:34,320
Speaker 1: Do you think after watching our show that the that

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01:51:34,439 --> 01:51:38,120
Speaker 1: the couples intermingle at all I just wish you would

2363
01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:42,280
Speaker 1: like like MK is like an afrodisiac in that way.

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Speaker 2: Luke, You're you're the worst Osama Bin Campbell. Here we

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Speaker 2: go again, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, speaking of great relationships that that consummate to the

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Speaker 1: tune of big time successes. MK and DK, we concourage

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Speaker 1: you when you're checking out the NFL action this week,

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Speaker 1: why not put at least one dollar on one game? Well?

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Speaker 1: What do you get for that? If you put in

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Speaker 1: the code combat with a K, you'll not only be

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Speaker 1: supporting our show, but our friends at DraftKings. For first

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Speaker 1: time subscribers who download the DraftKings sportsbook app, you will

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Speaker 1: get one hundred and fifty dollars to use and bet

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Speaker 1: on how you like. Okay, you want to bet some NFL,

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Speaker 1: You want to use some of that on some UFC

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Speaker 1: or boxing. Join the revolution of what's going on in

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Speaker 1: DraftKings and support us a Morning Combat. Even if online

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Speaker 1: betting is not yet legal in your state, it's coming

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Speaker 1: to Connecticut any second. Please download their fantasy games and

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Speaker 1: their apps enter for a chance to win one million dollars. Luke,

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Speaker 1: this is the deal of a century. I'm proud to

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Speaker 1: be offering it to people, and no, I will not

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01:52:40,720 --> 01:52:44,920
Speaker 1: make any MK and DK further jokes beyond that because

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01:52:44,920 --> 01:52:46,080
Speaker 1: I want to keep the sponsorship.

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01:52:46,200 --> 01:52:49,599
Speaker 2: Right, I'm glad, But yes, go bet, go have fun betting.

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01:52:49,680 --> 01:52:51,519
Speaker 2: You don't have to put down a lot, you know,

2388
01:52:51,560 --> 01:52:54,120
Speaker 2: obviously bet responsibly and bet where it's legal and all

2389
01:52:54,200 --> 01:52:56,920
Speaker 2: that kind of good stuff. Combat with a K. You'll

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Speaker 2: put one dollar down maybe on the specific CBS games,

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01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:02,759
Speaker 2: the Packers and the Steelers, the Broncos and the Ravens,

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01:53:03,320 --> 01:53:05,880
Speaker 2: and uh yeah, you're gonna get one hundred and fifty

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01:53:05,880 --> 01:53:08,120
Speaker 2: three bucks to go just fuck around with. I mean,

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Speaker 2: what could be better than that?

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Speaker 1: Not? What about the people that say every Sunday, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I usually put one dollar down on the stage at

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01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:18,519
Speaker 1: my local, uh my local, you know, gentlemen's club.

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01:53:19,640 --> 01:53:21,479
Speaker 2: God bless them, but I don't believe they put down

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Speaker 2: just one.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's a deal. They put NFL games on the screens,

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01:53:25,320 --> 01:53:27,160
Speaker 1: usually right next to the boob. So you know, you

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01:53:27,240 --> 01:53:29,559
Speaker 1: can you can really combine, you can have your.

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01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:32,440
Speaker 2: You know, I can. I can actually say quite confidently

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01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:35,080
Speaker 2: I have never been to a strip club on a Sunday.

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01:53:35,200 --> 01:53:39,680
Speaker 2: I could say that very easily. You've done that, Like, hey,

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01:53:39,720 --> 01:53:42,000
Speaker 2: it's one. I'm gonna go catch the Washington football game

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01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:43,040
Speaker 2: and get the Tater Tots.

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01:53:43,800 --> 01:53:46,160
Speaker 1: You know how, there's like, you know, there's big time

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01:53:46,240 --> 01:53:48,760
Speaker 1: moments in sports history, and you're like, I remember where

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Speaker 1: I was during that. You know, I was at my

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01:53:50,240 --> 01:53:52,880
Speaker 1: buddy's house, or I was on a plane or whatever. Luke,

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Speaker 1: you remember in the snow when Vinitaria hit that field

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01:53:55,439 --> 01:53:58,600
Speaker 1: goal against the Steelers to lift the Patriots. Yes, I

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01:53:58,720 --> 01:54:01,719
Speaker 1: was in a I was in a dark, dingy place

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01:54:01,840 --> 01:54:04,120
Speaker 1: with a big stage that night. Yeah, I'll never forget that.

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Speaker 2: Luke. Damn, you are a DJM.

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01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:07,200
Speaker 1: Do you know what they had?

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01:54:07,240 --> 01:54:07,400
Speaker 2: Though?

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01:54:08,160 --> 01:54:11,080
Speaker 1: They had ice chips in the urnals? Bro there is

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01:54:11,240 --> 01:54:13,320
Speaker 1: there is no you know, your tip of the week

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01:54:13,479 --> 01:54:17,040
Speaker 1: is if your club puts ice ice in the urnal?

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01:54:17,080 --> 01:54:18,120
Speaker 1: Look at it. There's something.

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Speaker 2: Do they put ice chips in the urinals? Or more

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01:54:20,680 --> 01:54:24,400
Speaker 2: more more likely the guy who was cleaning the bathroom

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01:54:24,439 --> 01:54:27,639
Speaker 2: who finds the glasses there chucks it in the urinal

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01:54:27,720 --> 01:54:29,320
Speaker 2: before he collects the glass to go be one.

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01:54:29,479 --> 01:54:31,640
Speaker 1: No, no, there's a dude who just comes by with

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01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:34,360
Speaker 1: this giant ice bucket and just refills the urinals. And

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Speaker 1: when you go to you know, take a whiz, Luke,

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01:54:36,520 --> 01:54:37,960
Speaker 1: It's just I don't know, it makes you feel more

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01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:40,800
Speaker 1: like a man. It's it's really a I'm gonna.

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01:54:40,640 --> 01:54:44,000
Speaker 2: Use my hot piss to melt the ice chips.

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Speaker 1: I also saw the Tuck Rule game. Was that the

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01:54:46,640 --> 01:54:48,440
Speaker 1: same game that was against the Raiders? I also saw

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01:54:48,520 --> 01:54:50,160
Speaker 1: that in the same establishment. I'm sorry that was a

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01:54:50,240 --> 01:54:51,000
Speaker 1: dark period of my life.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I can tell Jesus even I haven't done something

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01:54:54,680 --> 01:54:56,720
Speaker 2: quite like that, but I've done some terrible things.

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01:54:56,760 --> 01:54:59,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, that's that's what we do here on Friday.

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01:54:59,800 --> 01:55:02,120
Speaker 1: So I morning combat. We admit our terrible things. Luke.

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01:55:02,160 --> 01:55:04,520
Speaker 1: Do you have any weekend plans beyond covering some great

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01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:06,160
Speaker 1: fights and taking Saturday off?

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01:55:06,800 --> 01:55:08,600
Speaker 2: Got some fun plans in the city. They're gonna shut

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01:55:08,640 --> 01:55:11,600
Speaker 2: down a three mile stretch of a major thoroughfare here

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01:55:11,720 --> 01:55:14,520
Speaker 2: for no cars, so just be people for miles and miles,

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01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:16,680
Speaker 2: quite literally, and there's gonna be street fairs and stuff.

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01:55:16,920 --> 01:55:18,960
Speaker 2: I think I might check that out. I'm gonna do.

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01:55:20,200 --> 01:55:23,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna spend some time lifting in the front yard

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01:55:23,800 --> 01:55:25,920
Speaker 2: now that the weather is nice again. Yeah, so yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be nice. It's gonna be nice and chill.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, twenty third, the All Blacks, the

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01:55:31,720 --> 01:55:34,000
Speaker 2: New Zealand rugby team are playing the USA rugby team

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01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:35,320
Speaker 2: here in DC. I'm gonna go to that on the

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Speaker 2: twenty third.

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Speaker 1: I don't see color, Luke, Okay.

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01:55:38,240 --> 01:55:39,920
Speaker 2: They last their name, the All Blacks.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, enjoy your rugby. I hope you and your

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01:55:43,080 --> 01:55:46,160
Speaker 1: family have a great weekend. You said Pepe is moving.

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01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:47,920
Speaker 2: Out right, not till old January.

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01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:50,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, will will he ever appear on the

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01:55:50,800 --> 01:55:55,360
Speaker 1: show in any form nor? Well, he's got his fan base.

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01:55:55,480 --> 01:55:58,320
Speaker 2: They don't even my family to this day, like even

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01:55:58,360 --> 01:55:59,880
Speaker 2: this morning will be like, what time is your show?

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01:56:00,640 --> 01:56:01,240
Speaker 2: They just don't.

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01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:03,960
Speaker 1: It's not you know, Damien the Donk with with those

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01:56:04,400 --> 01:56:07,080
Speaker 1: those satanic tattoos. He's got a podcast where all they

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01:56:07,120 --> 01:56:11,480
Speaker 1: do is like break down Pepe's potential, you know, like

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01:56:11,600 --> 01:56:13,760
Speaker 1: what he's putting down. I mean it's wild, Luke, all right.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to Damo there in the two oh nine.

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01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:17,400
Speaker 1: We're a big fan of that dude. Shout out to

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01:56:17,520 --> 01:56:21,000
Speaker 1: Daimo O'Hara who wrote that incredible I Can be Your

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01:56:21,080 --> 01:56:23,320
Speaker 1: co host baby song and recorded that that was great

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01:56:23,360 --> 01:56:25,920
Speaker 1: shit love our people. Shout out to our great staff

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01:56:25,960 --> 01:56:29,120
Speaker 1: here CBS Sports Showtime a Malca gaff Pierre running the

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Speaker 1: show today. We appreciate you. Uh luke.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: There's not much else to say here. Okay, May all

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Speaker 1: of your ex lovers hopefully stay satisfied, not by you.

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Speaker 1: You want to know why, because you're old and watched,

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Speaker 1: and so are. We leave us a five star review

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