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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that in a rude way, but

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Speaker 1: it's just like it is brutal. So like, yeah, I mean, listen,

425
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: you can be in the print edition of Time magazine

426
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 1: one day and be thrown off the cliff of public

427
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Speaker 1: opinion the next one. Oh honey, don't I know it?

428
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that's that next queue. Okay, this is

429
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 1: from carl Um. They have two questions. Maybe let's yeah,

430
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 1: which one? Which one do you think? Okay, how do

431
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 1: I get my brain to shut the funk up about

432
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 1: wanting a relationship? I'm twenty five, and I am sure

433
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: at this point it is just my inner child wanting attention,

434
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 1: and that's manifesting is wanting a boyfriend something. I don't

435
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 1: want a boyfriend, but the insatiable urge is almost certainly

436
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 1: going to end me up in a suffocating, codependent relationship.

437
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 1: So basically, how do I enjoy being single and hang

438
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: with friends? I'm kind of afraid of sex. What do

439
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: you think I should do to get over it? I

440
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: think your friends with benefits situation is perfect to build

441
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: trust intimacy. Then I often end up developing feelings. Oh brother,

442
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 1: I have to say, um, this is literally described like

443
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 1: so much what I was like at this age. Um,

444
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: I mean, with some slight differences. But I think when

445
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: I was in my I mean I'm literally whatever, I'm

446
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: thirty right now, so it seems silly to be like

447
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 1: when I was in my twenties. But um, I think

448
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 1: when I was in my early twenties, let's say, especially

449
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 1: like early early twenties, I was overthinking both relationships and

450
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: sex to a degree that then made it impossible to

451
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 1: like actually look for either, and I would like, I

452
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: would do this thing, which is insane now to think

453
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: about where I would like go out in college, for instance,

454
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: go out like start hooking up with someone, like maybe

455
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: make out with them on the dance floor or something,

456
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: and then like panic and think of an excuse why

457
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: I don't want to go home with them, and so

458
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 1: I would just like I would be like, oh I

459
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: I feel suddenly. I would decide like, oh I had

460
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: something for dinner and my breath smells like garlic, or like,

461
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 1: oh I don't I don't feel sexy today. I don't

462
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: want anyone to see me naked, like and I would

463
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: just like make up excuses. And I truly could have

464
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: had so much sex if I wanted to, not to brag,

465
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: and I literally did not like I had. I could

466
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 1: count on like two hands a number of people I

467
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 1: had sex within college. Like it's just like and it

468
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: and it was and it was because I was like

469
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: it was just like whatever. It just stem from like

470
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: a weird cocktail of of insecurities. Yeah, I'm trying to

471
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: think of like actual advice. I mean, I'm sure not

472
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: to be captain obvious, but I'm sure therapy would, which

473
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: is something I did not do until I was like

474
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: until a few years ago. But I think more to

475
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 1: the point, like I promise you, no one is um

476
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 1: like if any of this stems from any kind of insecurity,

477
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: no one is thinking about your flaws as much or

478
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: you're perceived flaws as much as you're thinking about them.

479
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: Like if you think you have like some one thing

480
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: that I don't know either makes you want attractive or

481
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: or makes you like less likely to be in a

482
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: relationship or something, no one else is noticing it. Yeah,

483
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: I also feel like this specifics of like wanting a

484
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 1: relationship like at I really related to that, and I

485
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: think part of it for me, I don't know if

486
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: you have this, but it was like wanting to appear

487
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 1: like my life was together, because when you're twenty five,

488
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: your life is not together, and so you're like, well,

489
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: if I have a boyfriend that will look really like

490
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: that'll feel oh my god, complete. And so I think

491
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: there's something about making peace with like the incompleteness of

492
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: being in your mid twenties, like you are just not

493
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: going to have it together, nor should you. Like it's

494
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: like good that you are still potential energy and so

495
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: like my advice, I feel it would be like to

496
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: embrace the potential energy and like work on what you

497
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: want and like find people along the way that are

498
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: interested in you and what you're up to. Yeah, And

499
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: I it's funny because on the other side of that,

500
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: I did have a long term relationship for most of

501
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: my twenties and it was almost like this has nothing

502
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: to do with my ex. Why who was Who's a

503
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: very nice person and I and this is not like personal,

504
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: but like there's something about being like, oh good, that's

505
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: proof that I'm an adult, where like I had the

506
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: opposite of your thing. You wanted a relationship because it

507
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: would make you seem like an adult, and I was

508
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: like I would almost be like forgiving of myself for

509
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: dropping the ball on many other things and be like, well,

510
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: this is proof, Like I'm living with a boyfriend, this

511
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: means I'm an adult, Like or you would kind of

512
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: like cosplay as like a forties something married couple, and

513
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 1: you know, I remember just like being at like a

514
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: party and kind of like holding hands or or treating

515
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 1: him like I like I see my parents treat one

516
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: another because it's like just like a sign of adulthood. Yum.

517
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, to the point of to the question specifically,

518
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: how do I get my brain to shut the funk

519
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: up about wanting a relationship? First of all, you have

520
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: to be a little easy on yourself because the pandemic

521
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: has been very difficult on on things like this. Um.

522
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: But also here what I'll say, a lot of there

523
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: are a lot of things that one thinks are things

524
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: you're supposed to get out of a boyfriend that you

525
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: can actually get from any relationship. And like I think

526
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: oftentimes when I've been single, I found that, like I

527
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: have certain kinds of vulnerabilities that I have nowhere to

528
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: put And it's like you can have those kinds of

529
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: intimacies with friends and with family, and you know, there

530
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: are many ways to have like a very you know,

531
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: emotionally complex life without at the time having being in

532
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: a in a relationship. Yeah, I should we address part

533
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: two sex, What do you think I should get over it?

534
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: This is a This is a tough one because ultimately

535
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: the answer in my mind because I I wouldn't say

536
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: I was a phrase is the wrong I was, like,

537
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,719
Speaker 1: I mean again, it's my joke, classic joke about being

538
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: horny but proud. It's like I wanted to have sex

539
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: so much, but I kept thinking I would somehow humiliate

540
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: myself for or somehow I would have sex with someone

541
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: and then they'd be like and they like tell everyone

542
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: that I don't know, your whole is like too hairy,

543
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: you know, like literally just things that make no sense.

544
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: And I guess the only I mean, I do think

545
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: the solution is like two pronged, which is like one

546
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: is like it's not that big of a deal, and

547
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: the when you realize that, you'll move on. And then

548
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: also you just have to like find someone you feel

549
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: safe with and as soon as you do that, then

550
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: you can work towards strangers. Yeah, And I guess, yeah,

551
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: I guess it would be helpful to know which element

552
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: you're afraid of, because there's also like, uh, like if

553
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: you're talking gay sex, which I assume you are, Um,

554
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: this is a gay podcast after all. Well, and and

555
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: the end they say boyfriend, like that there's a desire

556
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: for a boyfriend. So I think it's like if it's

557
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: like literally, if it's if it is a literal like

558
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: I'm afraid of like anal sex so interesting, which it's

559
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: not defined, but like I think there is that's a

560
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: reasonable fear. And it's like you can get a little

561
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: dildo and like practice like and I think everyone should.

562
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: And you're trying something about like the specific age of

563
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: I understand that there are many people that are like

564
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: very promiscuous in their twenties and in their early twenties

565
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: or whatever. I something I've learned is like those people aside,

566
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: so many people are not having as much sex as

567
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: you think they're having, and like this fear that everyone

568
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: is everyone is having a fulfilling sex life, but you

569
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: that I think is common in your twenties when you

570
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: haven't like learned what works for you and whatever else,

571
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: Like you just need to do your best to to

572
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: kind of push that aside, because I just don't think

573
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: that's the case. I think everyone is in their own

574
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: way insecure about sex. For some people, that that translates

575
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: to them actually having a lot of it, and then

576
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: that makes you feel insecure because for you, the thing

577
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: is like feeling a sense of like paralysis, let's say.

578
00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: But like, I don't think anyone is really full you know,

579
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: knows exactly what they're doing and it's fully confident sexually yeah,

580
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: I felt that at that at that time. UM, I

581
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: don't think I like, I don't know whatever. I'm just

582
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: like when I think about like what I thought good

583
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: sex west ten years ago and what I now know

584
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: to be a good sex I'm like, Wow, I really

585
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: was just kind of like trying to fit a square

586
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: peg in around whole. Yeah. I my sexual tastes have

587
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: changed a lot and gotten smarter. I think I was

588
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: really like doing what I thought TV told me to do. Totally. Okay,

589
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: let's move on. I will read this one. Uh. This

590
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: is from Josh question for your forthcoming or since Bonanza

591
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: and the never ending coming out process that is my life.

592
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: I feel I finally reached the place from I'm genuinely

593
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: proud of who I am. But this sometimes manifest says

594
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: anger or hostility towards trade people. Part of me thinks

595
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: I will never fully age out of this. I worry

596
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: that one of its main outcomes is to further isolate

597
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: me from anyone who falls in that category, which includes

598
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: the people actually Loven't care about. My question is do

599
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: either of you relate to this, and if so, how

600
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: do you grapple with and mitigate the potentially negative consequences

601
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: of this anger in your own lives. I just want

602
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: to say this is so like well written and I

603
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: loved reading it. I felt like I felt like I

604
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: was being smart by saying it out loud. It's like

605
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: the perfect It has a perfect kind of like long

606
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: sentences that avoid being run on sentences. Yeah, I can't relate,

607
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: but respect those who do. How do you have an

608
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: answer to this? Um? I can, but I feel like

609
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: I've been talking a lot. Oh okay, Um, it's kind

610
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: of difficult. Like I don't harbor any anger towards straight people.

611
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: I do harbor anger towards straight situations, if that makes sense.

612
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: Like I really enjoy hanging out with straight people, and

613
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: I still many of my close friends are straight people.

614
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,959
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, generally I'm hanging out with

615
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: gay people, but like if I can get around some

616
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: straight people and like this sounds so insane, but literally

617
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: get to choose the music or something like I'm fixed,

618
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: like because like what bothers me is when it becomes

619
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: like literally oppressive and it feels like I'm back in

620
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: high school or something, because like what was that and

621
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: like pandemic not I mean last year pandemic. I went

622
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: on like a trip with all straight couples, like for

623
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: the most part, and it was like part of me

624
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: was like, this feels like a big step, like I've

625
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: kind of not done this in a long time. And

626
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: it was fun and it was there were parts where

627
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, like this feels very straight, But

628
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: then there were parts of I was like, you know what, whatever,

629
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: Like it's I think it's another thing about like age

630
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: or like the more time that passes, the more you

631
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: can like be at peace with straight people and learn

632
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: to enjoy the moments of straight straight drag that you yourself.

633
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a difference between the actual interpersonal

634
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: relationships I have with straight people and like hetero stexuality

635
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: as a looming presence in the world, like for in

636
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: sense like if I'm at a restaurant or bar or

637
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: something and I overhear a straight conversation, I I still

638
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: I suddenly am I have the same rage I had

639
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: about heaterosexuality that I did when I was like nineteen.

640
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: It's just it like comes roaring back and I'm and

641
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 1: it's not like I don't even think it's necessarily anyone's

642
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 1: fault and it's not even like these conversations I'm talking

643
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: about are like someone objectifying women or someone being racist,

644
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: Like it's not that kind of thing. It's just like

645
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: a certain kind of like simple headedness and the and

646
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: the words of someone who has literally never dealt with

647
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: any kind of um with anyone saying no to them

648
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: in their life, and it it just like it suddenly

649
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: makes me irrationally angry and I and I think, like,

650
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, does that go away? Do what do

651
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: you want that to go away? I don't know. I'm

652
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: like okay with that always being there. I don't feel

653
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: the need to like be like zen and at peace

654
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: with straight people that I over hear at a bar.

655
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: I mean, but but that aside, I agree with you that,

656
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 1: like some of my most meaningful relationships and friendships are

657
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: with straight people. I think we have the privilege of

658
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: not having that be the default. So like, if I'm

659
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: friends with the straight person, it's because I genuinely because

660
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: I like them and I want to be friends with them.

661
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: It's not just like, well, I I I'm in a

662
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: community where they're you know, there's like five people again

663
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: hang out with and all of them are straight and oh, well,

664
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Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I also think there's like something about

665
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: like at least the straight people we hang out with

666
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: acknowledge our gayness in a way that is like not

667
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: condescending and is like us. It's like realistic or something

668
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: like fully human. Like, for instance, no one who we

669
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Speaker 1: know who's a straight person will say the term gay

670
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: dude totally in places are in New York City, it

671
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: is kind of hard to find that. Sorry to be

672
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: wow interesting coastal elitist like, I feel like, at least

673
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: that's in my experience at this point. I guess I

674
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 1: haven't been an adult in the Midwestern I was about

675
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 1: to say, I I feel like I have. Yeah, I haven't,

676
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: so I I wouldn't know. What I can say is like,

677
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: in my limited experience, straight people in San Francisco, which

678
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: you would think is like a liberal bastion of this

679
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: great country, are some of the most annoying people I've

680
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: ever met in my entire life. So I don't I

681
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: just like, as an argument for it's not it's not

682
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: that we're being like phostlowly. It's it's like, I think

683
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: we have a little community in Brooklyn that we like,

684
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: but like literally San Francisco, which is just as much

685
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: of an elite city as worse. So yeah, give it

686
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: some times and and just like own your rage at straight. Yeah,

687
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: it's be a little piste off. It's okay, it sucks.

688
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: Straight culture sucks, like that's the whole premise of this.

689
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: They don't even like it. They don't even like it.

690
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: It's sometimes people see a straight person like consider an

691
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: alternative for the first time in their life and have

692
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: like an aha moment and you're like, oh, wow, I

693
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: did that when I was twelve. Anyway, Okay, well I

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Speaker 1: love Oh I did that when I was twelve. Okay,

695
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: this is from Breathe. And they say, oh, they have

696
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Speaker 1: a very fun email address, which I'm not going to.

697
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Speaker 1: Oh I don't. Oh, that's a very good point. It's

698
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Speaker 1: b r I. So it could be Brie or it

699
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 1: could be Brian. Okay. Um, first of all, you guys

700
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: have saved my life during the pandemic. No pressure. It's

701
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: amazing comedians on the planet. Um, okay, let's see. Oh okay,

702
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: this is for me. Please describe your vision for the

703
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: corduroy suit, envisioning better post omicron days. What's the season,

704
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: what's the city, what's the activity in this new suit?

705
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: And then the second one, I love what are your colors?

706
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: And or words of two and then they say I'm

707
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: thinking c foam for me, which I love. Let me

708
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: answer the corduroy suit question quickly, and then I love

709
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: the color in words. Um, here's what I'll say about

710
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: the quarter Roy suite. I do think I'm still going

711
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: to wear it. It's not the show stopping piece that

712
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: I thought it would be. And that's okay, I mean

713
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: it's from J Crew. What I really want is a

714
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: is a quarter race suit that's like, okay, what are

715
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: the what are the veins in quartery called? Do you

716
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean? I would always call them cords.

717
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: I don't know the cords. I basically want to suit

718
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: where the cords are like thick and shiny, don't you

719
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like that, It's like that's what

720
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: I was really craving is like a real and I

721
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: wanted it to be like a slightly lighter brown. I

722
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: just wanted it to be like the whole vibe of

723
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: it to be like I am commenting on the idea

724
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: of wasps at a country club, right, there's a lot

725
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: of different variations and this one's fine and I and

726
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: I will wear it. In fact, I might maybe I'll

727
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: wear it for for New Year's tonight. Maybe I was

728
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: what I was envisioning for it very specifically was like

729
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: basically being at like a fancy holiday party, having finger

730
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: food and wearing it with like a little like a

731
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: kashmere turtleneck and having like my quarter a suit, my

732
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: turtleneck and then a you know, some black loafers. It's

733
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: like the perfect effortless casual dressing up. I love it.

734
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: I feel that fantasy and you know what I'll get there. Okay,

735
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: So what are the colors and words? This is tough

736
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: for me. You know, I'm an observer. I'm not an inventor.

737
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: I I just filter society as it happens to me.

738
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: Like words of it's I have no idea, Like what

739
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: were wards OFE? Like she eight it's giving, Like, oh

740
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: see that's for me. I'm like, I went, I'm it's

741
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: like more literal. It's like it's like vaccine. Paras social. Yeah,

742
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 1: paras social was a big one. I think like something

743
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: like booster is like a word we didn't use before

744
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: and we now know when it's like part of the parlance. Okay,

745
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: here's my prediction. Okay, I actually think climate is going

746
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: to be talked about more than it already is, like

747
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: the literal climate or like the social climate. No, the

748
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: literal climate. Is it because you don't look up? I

749
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: think it's I think, honestly, the discoursion on don't go

750
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: up is going to kick it off. And then I

751
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: think something about like how we were all very politically

752
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: engaged after Trump, Like I think we are all like

753
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 1: societally engaged from COVID, and I think it is like

754
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: gonna bleed into other issues. And I think, like, that's

755
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: my prediction is like climate becoming more of a realistic conversation.

756
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: Do you think it will be done in earnest or

757
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: will it be more of like a virtue signaling, like

758
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: the climate is a new, hot new thing everyone's talking about.

759
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: Great follow up. I that's and the hard part is

760
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: I think it will be the hot new thing that

761
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: everyone's kind of talking about. Here's my prediction. Yeah, this

762
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 1: is imper imperfect as a word. It's like not that exciting.

763
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm saying this in a value neutral

764
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: way without taking aside. I think that the kind of

765
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: like backlash against so called cancel culture, which I like,

766
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 1: do not care about expressing an opinion on. Is like,

767
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: I don't think we've realized how mainstream at it. Like

768
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: I think we think it's like this niche thing that

769
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: like a few edge Lord podcasters talk about, and in

770
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: fact it's literally something that like moms in the suburbs

771
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: have opinions about. And I think like there will be

772
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: kind of a great uncanceling where various people, not like

773
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: Harvey Weinsteck, but like people that many potentially thought were

774
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: like unfairly uh you know, branded as bad will kind

775
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: of finally make their comeback that they couldn't make three

776
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: years ago the ass of the world. Yes, and I

777
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 1: think this is a little clunky, but I'm like, maybe

778
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: the word uncancelled will be something that people talk about,

779
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: like I I know Kathy Griffin, for instance, was recently

780
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: on Jimmy Kimblin. She was talking about being uncancelled, which

781
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: I celebrate. I I wonder if something like that will

782
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: be kind of in the ether interesting that I like that.

783
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: I think that makes sense. Yeah, and I'm I don't

784
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: like it, I think, yeah, I mean, who knows. I

785
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: mean I'm for Kathy Griffin being uncanceled for sure. Yeah

786
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: you know, we can't even no, I can't, and I

787
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: have no interest in like weighing it, but I just

788
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,959
Speaker 1: think that that will be a part of the cultural conversation. Um.

789
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: In terms of colors, Well, pink is out, you think,

790
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: so I think pink is out? Okay, I'm gonna go yellow.

791
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say yellow. Wow, Okay, I'm into it, and

792
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: I will say a bright yellow, really bright yellow. I'm

793
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: actually I well, I'm showing this to you, but no

794
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: one else see. I have this bright yellow bit lighter

795
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: that just be on my desk. It's like a bright yellow.

796
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: I think that's the yellow that that will be in.

797
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's in a huge, great yellow. Just kidding,

798
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: like a bright yellow. Okay, okay, so we already that's

799
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 1: a straight shoot. That's a straight shoot. Oh yeah, we'll

800
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: do around us straight shooters at the end. But also

801
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: shadow to this person because they have the same undergraduate

802
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: degree that I do. Shout out to Miriam. Okay. So

803
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: this is from Kaylee, longtime caller, first time listener, not

804
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 1: to pepare of social on Maine disgusting order of words,

805
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: but okay, but your podcast quite literally made me less

806
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: sad during a very sad time in my life, and

807
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you guys continue to make something that

808
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: brings me in so many others joy each week. Wow,

809
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: thank you, that's very sweet. My question is to both

810
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: of you. I identify as a person in my early

811
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: twenties and I'm still trying to culturally evolve. What piece

812
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: of media book, movie, album, podcast, etcetera. Did you consume

813
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: in your twenties early thirties that forced your taste to

814
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: evolve and you consider a central reading for those coming

815
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: of age. I love this question. I like, I I

816
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: need to actually think about it because I don't have

817
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: an answer ready. But this is such a great question,

818
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: like the just like the kind of hunger you have forgotten.

819
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like condescending, but like the

820
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: hunger you have for those kinds of things in your

821
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: early twenties. Do you know what I mean? No, I

822
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: do like teach me like I want to know. I

823
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 1: want to get to the next level. Yeah, I'm trying

824
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 1: to think because part of the point is, like I

825
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: feel like you're like gate keeping yourself in a way.

826
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: You're like thinking you're not the area, and it's like

827
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: you are there yet you need to like look inward

828
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: and like follow what you like, of course, But I

829
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: also think, here's what I'll say, the older you get,

830
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: the more you get set in your ways. So I

831
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: actually do think it's important. As much as I agree

832
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: with you that like you should trust your gut, it's

833
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: also important to like step outside your comfort zone because

834
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: it's like you're going to be able to do that

835
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: less and less as you get older. So like you

836
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: have to like go broad rather than deep when you're

837
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: in your early twenties, so you can like taste a

838
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: little bit of everything and then gravitate towards out of

839
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: all of those things, gravitate towards what you want. Like,

840
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: there are certain things that I just never gave a

841
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: chance to, like honestly, a lot of genre stuff, Like

842
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: I never I really never explored sci fi. I never

843
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: explored fantasy. I to this day, I've never read I've

844
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: never read a genre. But I've seen like movies, but

845
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: I've never I've never read like Lord of the Rings.

846
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: I've never read you know, like neuroman certain you know,

847
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: like just like things that like I've never read any

848
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: of that. I've never read any earths like hay look

849
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: like and it is more are difficult now in my thirties,

850
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: so like just to get into something I wasn't into before.

851
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: So like my general piece of advice, which is not

852
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: really the answer. The question is like is literally just

853
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: like try to step outside your comfort zone and pick

854
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: up things that you are not immediately gravitating towards. Yeah,

855
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: do you have a thing that you consumed in your

856
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: twenties that like inspired you in a way that was transcendent? I? Oh,

857
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: I actually think I might have one. Okay, what is it?

858
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: And and it's very specific to like my journey and

859
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: this was like mid to late twenties even. But when

860
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: I watched Madonna's Truth or Day documentary, I feel like

861
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: it puts so much into perspective for me about like

862
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: culture that I had no understanding of afoordinating. Yeah, it

863
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: like showed how radical she was. It showed like, oh,

864
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: the roots of all the pop that we know, Like

865
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, my god, of course, and

866
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: it like really set me on a train of like

867
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: thinking about pop stars differently. And uh, while it's not

868
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: like necessarily collegiate in it's like discussion. I think I

869
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: really like it at least influenced my late twenties to today. Yeah,

870
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: in a huge way. Oh you know, I have a couple.

871
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: I have a couple just kind of out stop my head.

872
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: A lot of mine are like very cliche in terms

873
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: of like what a gay teen would gravitate towards. But like,

874
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: I think getting into New York was huge for me,

875
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: like just like getting over the fear of this, like

876
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: this is different and I don't get it, and like

877
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: embracing it so frankly, like at that time, getting into

878
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: Radiohead was also like a really big for me, Like

879
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: it was just like like all those things that are

880
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: now so cliche, you know, like music nerd thing, which

881
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: I don't even know that much about music, but like

882
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: I think it was, like you know it, It's like

883
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: it opened doors to other things that I still listened

884
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: to to this day and and and whatever. But York

885
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 1: specifically was like was huge. Fiona Apple as well. Uh.

886
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: And then a movie I might have talked about for

887
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: a movie that in my even late teens but also

888
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: early twenties loved was Adaptation. Um have you ever seen Adaptation?

889
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 1: I have not? Oh you it's like it's so good

890
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: that I've always meant to. Yeah, it's like and maybe

891
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: now if I were to rewatch it, I would somehow

892
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: find it, I don't know, tired or whatever, you know,

893
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 1: like it's been twenty years, but like there was something

894
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: about um, the kind of experimental stuff it's doing and

895
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 1: what it's like trying to say about narrative, and also

896
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: like seeing someone like Meryl Streep, who is so kind

897
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: of mainstream and you think of as like doing these

898
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: I don't know, just she's like the actress that has

899
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: always been there. Seeing her do something so like weird

900
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: and daring is very cool. And it also it's like

901
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 1: one of the first, uh, I guess in the broadest sense,

902
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 1: like experimental movies. It's even then it made me interested

903
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: in things that were like more niche and things that

904
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: were you know that maybe we're not like nominated for

905
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: Oscars and things like that. So that was a big one. Yeah.

906
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: I also I also really liked all most of our

907
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: movies when I was that age, and they have a

908
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: certain kind of fun to them that I really appreciate

909
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: it because I always thought that like serious culture was

910
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: meant to be challenging and almost like that and almost boring,

911
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: and it was like your job to like get over

912
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: that hump and force yourself to find meaning in it.

913
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: And what I appreciated about most of our movies was

914
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: that it was like they were almost made with this

915
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: like childlike attention to color and like can be performances

916
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: and while still being serious. So yeah, yeah, I love that.

917
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: And yeah on that note, also, and I read this,

918
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: this was more like right after college maybe, and I

919
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 1: don't know if it's like required reading these days. It's

920
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: not like original as a thought, but like in a

921
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: similar tone Catch twenty two. When I read that, I

922
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: was like, wait, this is funny, Like you're allowed to

923
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: make books that are like meaningful and really funny. Like

924
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm all in to find that, like and this is

925
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: personal again, but like to find that like humor does

926
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: not negate the like meaning of something totally. In fact,

927
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: it can help it. I think we should move. Let's

928
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: do it. This is from Cecile. Okay, not to be

929
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: a bitch, but I've been asking myself a lot of

930
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: questions lately. One of the most incredible opening lines of

931
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: any email fel free to answer them in any capacity.

932
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: You're like Okay. Number one, Am I a sexual or

933
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: just depressed? Number two my father who I live with,

934
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,919
Speaker 1: seems to be unable to communicate. Should I do something

935
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: about that? Or is he just a himbo? And I

936
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: should leave them alone? And number three straight culture gap fest. Um,

937
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: I love you so much, and I earnestly believe this

938
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: podcast to be one of the most interesting things in

939
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: popular media, pular whatever, okay, genius again, not to be

940
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: a bit, but it has been instrumental in me surviving

941
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: this last year. Um, well, this is very sweet and

942
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: and and we think you very much. And oh and

943
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 1: pronoun she here. Okay, that was a follow up people,

944
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 1: So okay, so Cecilia said, okay, so number one, M

945
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: a sexual? We're just depressed. I just obviously a sexuality

946
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: is a valid sexual orient A sexuality is valid. Depression

947
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: isn't If you're depressed, you're actually just undiagnosed. Yeah, let's

948
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: hope you're a sexual, because otherwise you're flopping, because you're

949
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 1: you're flopping major early, majorly. I think, Um, I think

950
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: unfortunately we can't answer that. No, we're not answering that

951
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: for you. We're not answering it. But I also think

952
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: that asking a question like that means you're doing some

953
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: deep work on figuring out who you are, which is beautiful,

954
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: which is which which we love? And I think like

955
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: you'll figure it out sooner than you think. I think

956
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: for a question number two, I think some of the

957
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: best dads in the world are unable to communicate. I

958
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: think he is a himbo. You have to accept that

959
00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:00,959
Speaker 1: his skills lie elsewhere, and UM not expect much from

960
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: him because he is a man that cannot communicate and

961
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: it's not your job. And that's okay, that's okay. Yeah,

962
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: I love my dad, but it's just like you kind

963
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 1: of start to learn like dads can only communicate so much.

964
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: And I actually think it was like a huge, huge

965
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: moment of evolution for me when I realized that, yeah,

966
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: it's gigantic um. And the third question being straight culture

967
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: gap Fest, I actually have a question for you about this.

968
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: Have you been listening to the late Culture gap Fest

969
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: recently on and off? Okay, because I've been actually recommitting

970
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 1: to it in a pretty big way. Oh are you loving?

971
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: I am? Well, so they brought you know, Julia is

972
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: back from eternity leave. So it has been for the

973
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: first time in like almost a year, it's been the

974
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: O G three and they've been recently doing some fun

975
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: topics and their callin show, which they did this week,

976
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 1: literally made me tear up. Whoa because someone like someone

977
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 1: there was a very sweet call where someone called about

978
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: their mom, I think, or I think it was mom

979
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: had passed away this year and she was a big

980
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: listener of the podcast, so they like kind of asked

981
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: a question her honor, and it was like, very very sweet.

982
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: That's insanely sweet. That is crazy to me. I think

983
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: it's very funny that we both listened to it, and

984
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: I part of me has always wanted to literally do

985
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: an episode on this like culture gap as a topic. Okay, wait,

986
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: if you could have one of them on as a guest,

987
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: who would it be. That's tough because I mean, obviously

988
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,959
Speaker 1: my instinct is to say Steven Metcal because I literally

989
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: think I've modeled I swear to god, I've modeled like

990
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: how I speak after him. I also think Steven would

991
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 1: be like funny or to have on because he's like,

992
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: he is both extremely self aware and unself aware, and

993
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: so he would be very like I think he would

994
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: be like inadvertently funny it's just so it really, I

995
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: think in a weird way, the fact that we both

996
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: listened to it is is kind of like so emblematic

997
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 1: of the spirit of the pod and our French like

998
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: it is so something that no one would think both

999
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: you or I, for various reasons, would ever gravitate towards

1000
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: and like if you were to explain to me what

1001
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: it is, I'd be like, that sounds awful, Like it

1002
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: is like it sounds like wait, wait, don't tell me.

1003
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: It sounds like NPR boomer vibes. And in some ways

1004
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: it is, but like we've grown up with them, we

1005
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: love them. Okay, next que Okay, this is from John

1006
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: actual earnest question. What are y'all's quote unquote guilty pleasures

1007
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: in terms of TV, movies, music, books, etcetera. Things that

1008
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: aren't good per se but bring you a lot of

1009
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: joy and comfort. For example, my partner has gotten me

1010
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: into American Dad, and I find some of the most

1011
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: recent episodes really enjoyable. Do you want to start? I

1012
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: also want to say. John attached a photo of his

1013
00:53:54,320 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 1: dog and the dog is adorable. Cut um okay, um, yeah,

1014
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: I mean I'm sure it comes as no surprise for

1015
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,760
Speaker 1: us to say that we don't believe in the concept

1016
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: of guilty pleasures at this point. Yeah, I'm trying to think,

1017
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: you know what, though, it is an interesting exercise to

1018
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: be like, despite our insistence that every you know that

1019
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: like we can engage with anything on whatever level we want,

1020
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: blah blah, there are certain things that you that you

1021
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure both of us do still feel somewhat guilty about.

1022
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think, like what those might be. Um, Like,

1023
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: I'll say, I'll say something I occasionally will literally watch

1024
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: friends that's rough, Like that's like that that's not something

1025
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: I'm ready to like defend, but sometimes it hits the spot. Okay,

1026
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: this is guilty, not it's something I know. I've talked

1027
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: about liking Taylor Swift's song Mean before, but I like

1028
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: am tearing up to Mean like recently and I have

1029
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 1: no idea why. And it's like such a dark feeling

1030
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: to be moved. Like that's where I get guilty when

1031
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: something is supposed to be light and like stupid and

1032
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: I'm like crying to it. Yeah, and that is like

1033
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: a sign of that that's something that's that's a good. Yeah,

1034
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think I mean again in a different world.

1035
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: Everyone knows my affinity for the movie Wild, which I

1036
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: mean in the weird coincidence. Tragically, after we talked about

1037
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: it on the Patreon, Jean Marc Valley passed away. Um

1038
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: so rest in peace. But that's like the kind of

1039
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: movie that you would think would be a guilty pleasure.

1040
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: But I shouted from the rooftops. I love Wild, but

1041
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: I do have actually a very weirdly specific guilty pleasure

1042
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 1: of a song, which is the Bleachers song. Uh oh

1043
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,479
Speaker 1: my god, sorry, I'm I I forget what it's called.

1044
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: It's like don't Stop the Money. I've never heard this way. Wait,

1045
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:49,399
Speaker 1: hold on, it's called don't Take the Money. Okay, I'm

1046
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: telling you. This song is a bob And like now

1047
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: I think maybe now we all like Jack entonof you know,

1048
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 1: there's kind of an acceptance. But like when that came out,

1049
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: Bleachers was y E Lane. It was like not cool

1050
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: to be like twenty six and listening to Bleachers, And

1051
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: for some reason that song we really got me. So

1052
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: my answers are friends and the Bleacher song don't Take

1053
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: the Money, Yeah, mine is Taylor Swifts Mean and the

1054
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: Chicks Wide Open Spaces but that's not a guilty pleasure.

1055
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 1: I mean I was. I was at my uncle's farm

1056
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: for Christmas, and I was like going for runs in

1057
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: the field literally listening to wide open spaces, and I

1058
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: was like, damn, even though that's about moving to like

1059
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 1: a city, but I was like doing the opposite. I

1060
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm taking this really literally, like I

1061
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: need a wide open space in the very literal sense. Um. Okay, wait.

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00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,760
Speaker 1: This one is from my best friend from college, Adam,

1063
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: whoa Um, if he's listening, I just want to I

1064
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: literally promised him and his wonderful partner Carl Merch that

1065
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: I have in my apartment and I keep forgetting to

1066
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: send it is humiliating, and I forgot for so long

1067
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: that I then I thought I had sent it and

1068
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: found it in my apartment and then I was like, okay,

1069
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: I'll send it as a Christmas gift, and then forgot

1070
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: to send it again. So this is my promise that literally,

1071
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 1: I swear to God it is December thirty one, whenever

1072
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: the post office opens January two, I promise I will

1073
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: send the T T shirts to Adam and Carlo. And

1074
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: Adam's question is, would you ever consider having ads or

1075
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: sponsors for your podcast? Why are why not our podcasters

1076
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: who have sponsors bad people? Well, I want to start

1077
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: first the last question hard. Yes, anyone who anyone who

1078
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: participates in capitalism something you and I have never that

1079
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: has never been in our reality. We've been asked multiple times. Yeah,

1080
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: everything's sort of just been traded. It is kind of

1081
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: how my life, right. I mean, even even entertainment jobs

1082
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: we've had, we said, let's not do money. It's a

1083
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: nightmare for our rep for representation because they have to

1084
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: get a temper cent cut of you know, watermelons. We yeah,

1085
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: we have considered having ads or sponsors on our podcast.

1086
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: It's like this is the most boring stuff. But it's

1087
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: like just kind of complicated and you have to have

1088
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: like a person that does it. And then it's like

1089
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: we like, until recently, I've been self editing, so then

1090
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: we'd have to like put it in and it's like

1091
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: all this stuff and it's kind of like we're just

1092
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: gonna do a Patreon for now, and then like if

1093
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: we start working with a network at some point and

1094
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: they can figure it out, then that's then we'll do it.

1095
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: Or if it's extremely easy to do then we'll do it,

1096
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: but right now we're a little overwhelmed already with doing

1097
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: this podcast on the Patreon and etcetera. So that's kind

1098
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: of Patreon has been. It's I think we're taking it

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00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: one step at a time. There's been a lot of

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00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: you know, there's not a lot of chapter as we

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00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: were like trying to sell it. Then we were trying

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00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: to do something with some other stuff to to monetize,

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00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: and it's like, I'm really enjoying the fact that people

1104
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: are stigning up for the Patreon. I'm enjoying that we

1105
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: are now making a little bit of money every month.

1106
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: We're making enough money to hire our wonderful editor Adam.

1107
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, whenever the next step, like we're like,

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00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: I think we're kind of like breathe thing for the

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00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,439
Speaker 1: first time in a while and like enjoying the fact

1110
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: that there's some infrastructure in place. Yeah, but we're certainly

1111
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: not against ads, although I have to say, like between

1112
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: you and me, it does change the experience of a podcast.

1113
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: It does kind of change the experience, but it's like

1114
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: a necessary well no, I know, I mean, it's I'm

1115
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: not saying I'm like, you know, morally against it, but

1116
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: it it is. It isn't like a non uh a

1117
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: non issue. I think the worst part is that it

1118
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: like shows you the falseness in people's tones, Like it

1119
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: shows when when your podcasters like reading the ad copy

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00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: and sort of like doing their normal cadence. It's like, oh,

1121
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: is this a game to you? You can just turn

1122
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, okay, next queue. This is from Jack.

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Speaker 1: One thing I've noticed as a trend of trivial lab

1124
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: is the tension between you two about how much structure

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00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: the podcast not to have. What off air discussions do

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00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: you have about this, if any, and what informs each

1127
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: of your perspectives on how much structure you think the

1128
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: podcast should have. Interesting. I love that question. It's tough

1129
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: because neither of us are hardline in either direction. I

1130
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: think and one and sometimes I want more structure and

1131
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: George wants less, and other times I want less and

1132
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: George wants more. It's just like like with many things

1133
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: in our in this venture and also in our friendship,

1134
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: it's like it feels so nice when it sometimes it

1135
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: just flows so well. And I think what we both

1136
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: actually want is not more or less structure. We just

1137
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: wanted to be the best that can be, and like

1138
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: we know what that looks like because we have done

1139
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: it in the past. Like there are just episodes that

1140
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: we both really love and we're like, this is exactly

1141
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: what we want the podcast to be. If only we

1142
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: could replicate this with every episode, which of course not

1143
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 1: only is not possible, but also it actually is like

1144
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: each episode is its own special thing, and some people

1145
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: prefer the more structured ones are less structured ones. So

1146
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think there's a recipe for it,

1147
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: but I think we know what it feels like for

1148
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: it to feel like you're like literally like glide, eating

1149
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: on you know, water or something like just like the

1150
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: effortlessness of it, and that's what we're constantly in search of.

1151
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I feel like, if anything, it was

1152
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: like maybe at the beginning you wanted more structure and

1153
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: I was like, no, let's just feel it out. And

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01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: then later and more recently, I've been like, like you've

1155
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: been like we're just feeling it out. I'm like, hey,

1156
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: let's ren it in, which is like kind of a funny. Yeah,

1157
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: I think we're Yeah. I actually we generally meet in

1158
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: the middle and me in the middle. Yeah, and I

1159
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: think that actually is the case with a lot of

1160
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: things where we switch out, for instance, like talking about ads,

1161
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: like which one of us is more business minded? Like

1162
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: I think that switches day to day. Like sometimes I'll

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01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: be more like whatever, it's it's just like our fun project,

1164
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: and then sometimes I'll be like, we really need to

1165
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: get focused and make money. Yeah, all right, okay, this one,

1166
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: this one is just very quickly, just very quickly, is

1167
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: from Ramon and it's about the Matrix. And I just

1168
01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: started because I wanted to say, Ramon, that will be

1169
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: our next Patreon movie club movie. So if you're interested

1170
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: in our take on the Matrix, which we are both,

1171
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: did you rewatch the trilogy before watching? Then you want

1172
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: to know. I'm in the process of rewatching the trilogy.

1173
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: I have the last one left and then I'm going

1174
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: to watch the new one and then we'll talk about it. Okay, perfect,

1175
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, this email is titled is the Matrix straight culture?

1176
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: Which we will get into I mean short answer, no,

1177
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 1: but we'll get into it on the Patreon. Oh wait,

1178
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: I this is my favorite question. It's you can you

1179
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: just ask the part that's like my question is directed

1180
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: at George. Okay, this is from Maura. They say, my

1181
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: question is directed at George. George, don't you think that's

1182
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: Sam's explanation for his childhood sounds deeply fake? Do you

1183
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: think his dad was actually undercover FBI or something. This

1184
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: man was uproading his entire family every few years because

1185
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 1: some Midwestern Dillards needed a new HR guy. The glamour

1186
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: girls are seeking truth and we are not buying this.

1187
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 1: I just want to as a as a glamour girl

1188
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: who is constantly seeking truth. I also have had questions

1189
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: about this. I mean, it wasn't like just at a Dillard's.

1190
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: It was like more in the corporate space, Like it

1191
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: would be like the Dillard's factory needs a HR guy

1192
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 1: like or something. I guess my question is I've never

1193
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: heard of someone moving for HR, no matter how corporate.

1194
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: It is like the idea that you were moving every

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01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: few years. I think he was, like did he enjoy

1196
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 1: moving around? I think he was sort of like, uh,

1197
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: like a climber. Like I think he was like trying

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01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: to play the corporate game a little bit, and like

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01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: so he would move. He would like work at a

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01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: job for a year and like start looking for a

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01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: better job. And then I would like find a better job,

1202
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 1: but then he got like too big, and then he

1203
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: got fired because like he like and so then he

1204
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 1: had to find and so it was like a lot

1205
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: of like going up and then going down, sort of strangling.

1206
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: I actually relate did that with with my parents as well. Um,

1207
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: and I guess then it makes sense that if you

1208
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: were living in like smaller towns, you know, big fish

1209
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: in a small pond, if you want a different job,

1210
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: it makes sense that you go because each town had

1211
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: like one corporate. That makes sense. Okay, I believe it.

1212
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 1: It's official. I believe Sam's backstory. This is me. So

1213
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 1: this is from Quagmire, and they say, okay, I actually

1214
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: want to read this even though I want to address this,

1215
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 1: even though it's um controversial. Quagmire says, will you pledge

1216
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: to never have a RuPaul's drag Race queen as a

1217
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: guest on your show? I don't want this podcast to

1218
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 1: jump the shark. Um. This is fascinating to me. I'm

1219
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: confused by this question. I need more Quagmar. I wish

1220
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 1: I could call you and what is your take on

1221
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 1: drag Race in general? Because I think I agree, but

1222
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 1: you understand where they're coming like there's something about and

1223
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: I hate it because like the queens from Drag Race

1224
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 1: are actually often more or well not often always like

1225
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: literally more talented than any comedians we know, like more talented,

1226
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: more hard working, and also like have your opportunities almost

1227
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: like it's literally like our friends are more likely to

1228
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 1: become super rich and famous than any RuPaul's Drag Race

1229
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 1: queen because it's just like I mean, except for like one,

1230
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 1: you know, like there's gonna be one that will be

1231
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: Bianca del Rio or whatever. Like. So I think it's

1232
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 1: difficult because on the one hand, you know, what I

1233
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: just said is true, but on the other hand, there's

1234
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: this like saturation of drag Race content so it almost

1235
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 1: seems hacked to participate in it or something. And I

1236
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: think that's where this question is coming from. But I mean, yeah,

1237
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. I I will not pledge that we

1238
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 1: will never have a Drag Race queen on. I would

1239
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 1: never pledge that. And if anything, I think, like what

1240
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: I like about our podcast us, I feel like we

1241
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 1: could re contextualize them in a fun way. That's what

1242
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: I would want, Yes, I would want. The last thing

1243
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: I would want is to like interview a queen about

1244
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 1: like when did you start doing drag? Was it hard

1245
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: to grow up gay? Like, obviously we're not going to

1246
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: do that, but like I'm sorry, but to have like

1247
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 1: Katya on and have like have her talk about, like,

1248
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 1: you know, diarrhea as a straight topic like that would

1249
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 1: be it would be so funny and so fun Yeah,

1250
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 1: and like, I don't know, I just think like a

1251
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: lot of those girls are truly some of the funniest people. Yeah,

1252
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 1: any of them are. Not any of them, but like

1253
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 1: most of them. If you were to see them live

1254
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 1: at a bar, you'd be like, that's the best dracture

1255
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. Well, not most of them, many of them,

1256
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: many of them anyway. I but I but I also

1257
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 1: appreciate I appreciate this question. I don't want to make

1258
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: it seem like I'm poo pooing it. I just maybe

1259
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: we're a little more optimistic and we're like, yeah, become

1260
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 1: off a cynical that actually we have a deep optimism.

1261
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, This is from Spencer in the Stradio

1262
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 1: Lab spirit of agorizing things as other things. I don't

1263
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: find myself thinking of guests as either George's or Sam's.

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Speaker 1: Do you do that. Similarly, when you encounter glamour girls

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Speaker 1: in the wild, do you find that they fall into

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01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: the Sam George or Sam binary? Do you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean? Sorry no follow ups? Okay, queen shit, Um,

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Speaker 1: I mean I don't know. I thought this was funny.

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Speaker 1: I think this was a funny question. I think we

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01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 1: think on more like um, like if our spectrum I

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01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 1: feel like is like normy to freak zoid, Like who's

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01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: gonna like play the game like who's gonna like make

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01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 1: it absurd and meta versus who's going to talk honestly

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01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: about it? And both I have found are very enjoyable.

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01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: And that also is like the binary we put the

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Speaker 1: glamour girls in. Where's like we have glamour girls who

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Speaker 1: like when we actually discuss something and like actually get

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01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 1: into it, and then we have glamour girls that, like

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01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: when Jeremy and are on and like are the most

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01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 1: confusing like like conversations in the world. That was God.

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Speaker 1: I love that episode. I'm sorry, I really one of

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01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 1: my all time favorites. Um. Yeah, I completely agree. That's

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01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 1: that's like the we talked about that a lot, like

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01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: like even when we're planning guests, like in terms of

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01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 1: like diversity to misuse that word, like we're literally like, oh,

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01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 1: we've had like this many people in a row that

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01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 1: are more like straightforward guests, and now it's time for

1288
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 1: like a weird one. It's time for like a Max

1289
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 1: Witter episode where he literally where we literally do like

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01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,560
Speaker 1: an extended bit about someone going to the bathroom and

1291
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 1: the other two people being mad at him or whatever,

1292
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,879
Speaker 1: which also was inspired by actually going to the bathroom.

1293
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: That's right, it's rooted in truth, just like all good comedy.

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01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: Let's hit the next que Okay, so this one I

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01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 1: didn't start, but then Matthew was like, you should start

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01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 1: that one. It's funny. This is a good question. It's

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01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: not like inherently earnest, but I think it's is it

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01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 1: my turn? Yeah? Okay, And and sorry I said I

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01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 1: didn't start this. Whatever. The question is do you sell

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01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 1: foot pictures? Um? And I didn't. It's not that I

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01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 1: didn't start because I thought it was a bad question.

1302
01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: I just I wasn't in the right head space. I

1303
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 1: was thinking more literally and I was And of course

1304
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 1: this is a funny question. I don't have a funny question. Yeah,

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01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 1: do you sell foot picks? Not? Not currently, uh in general,

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01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 1: and like, I like, if there's any pick I would sell,

1307
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 1: it would easily be foot picks, like not even giving

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01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 1: them out for free, Like if someone would just pay

1309
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 1: me a hundred dollars for a foot pick, Like, you

1310
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 1: are going to get so many requests. I don't know.

1311
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: Is that weird. It's no, it's not weird. I'm just

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01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: saying you're gonna get futtered with requests. I feel the

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01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 1: same way about foot picks. Okay, this, can I be

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01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,639
Speaker 1: gross for one second? Yeah, okay, I feel the same

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01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:40,599
Speaker 1: about foot picks. I feel about like peeing on someone

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01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: where it's like, yeah, I don't care, Like it's I

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01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 1: have feet. I'm not ashamed on my feet, like i'll

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01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 1: pee on someone if oh my god, there's no shame. Yeah,

1319
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 1: I think shame is the wrong. No, there's no shame.

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01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 1: I just like it's more like a logistical I'm like,

1321
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 1: if I open the fo not to say that people

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01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,600
Speaker 1: are lining up for my feet pick, but it is

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01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:03,639
Speaker 1: another business venture that I'm not ready for. Yeah, if

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01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 1: it became annoying, no, I would not do it. I don't.

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01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: I just to clear, I don't find it in any

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01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 1: way like in any way like bad or you know,

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01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 1: like weird or anything. But I've never given that much thought.

1328
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 1: I've never given it much thought. We're open to it. Sure. Actually,

1329
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 1: let me just say at this stage, I am not

1330
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,640
Speaker 1: doing it well. At this stage, I'm not back in

1331
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: next earnestness bonanza. And we'll see where we're at with

1332
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 1: the Patreon right now that my answer is no, Oh

1333
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 1: my god, wait George, the hundred dollar tiers should be

1334
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 1: you get a footpick from each of us. Okay, I mean,

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01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 1: I'm open to it. That would be very funny if

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01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: that was a hundred Also, shout out to our first

1337
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 1: hundred dollar tier subscriber. Oh yeah, that was the name

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01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:54,680
Speaker 1: is Kate or Katie? Thank you, yeah, thank you so

1339
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 1: much for me. We will think of um, we'll do

1340
01:10:57,479 --> 01:10:59,640
Speaker 1: another episode where we properly shout you out. This is

1341
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 1: I'm even on the page on home page right now. Okay, next,

1342
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 1: next question, This is some daisy looking back on what

1343
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 1: was your glom and glow of the year sometimes called

1344
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 1: rose and thorn, and what is one thing you are

1345
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 1: looking forward to next year? A your bud. I mean,

1346
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:18,759
Speaker 1: you know, I love a classic kind of paste breaker question.

1347
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 1: I actually adore questions like this, um towards you go first.

1348
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: Um okay, so gloom and glow like low point and

1349
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 1: high point? Yeah, um okay, so high point. I mean

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01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 1: my high points have been like I've been very happy

1351
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:40,880
Speaker 1: in my you know, relationship, and like we I don't know,

1352
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:44,719
Speaker 1: I don't want to, you know, I started dating um

1353
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 1: Matthew in December, like just a few months before the pandemic,

1354
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: and that we went through like a very difficult early

1355
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,679
Speaker 1: part of the pandemic together because there were family members

1356
01:11:55,760 --> 01:12:00,120
Speaker 1: that got very sick. And you know, it was a

1357
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 1: very like non traditional first year of a relationship because

1358
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: the world was ending. And I I'm very like, you know,

1359
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 1: just very extremely grateful and and and and feel very

1360
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 1: lucky that we've managed to not only make it, but

1361
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 1: like grow and and and and like I don't know,

1362
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:26,679
Speaker 1: like Chris Persevere through through like a very strange New Years,

1363
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,639
Speaker 1: Like I just I feel very I feel very grateful

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01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:31,640
Speaker 1: for him, and I am like I feel very very

1365
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 1: lucky to have him in my life. So that was

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01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 1: that was one and then the other. It's just it's

1367
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 1: very cliche. I mean, I I feel the other two

1368
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 1: are just that I feel very proud of the podcast,

1369
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 1: and I also feel very grateful for my job at

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01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 1: Doaker because it's something that I really like. You know,

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01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 1: if you had told me when I was in my

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01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 1: twenties that I would be working for the Gawker reboot,

1373
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 1: I would I would think it was like my dream

1374
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 1: job or so. It just it feels very feels, very

1375
01:12:56,120 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 1: surreal even even still so. I think it's interest thing

1376
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 1: because so often the things you are most grateful for

1377
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 1: not the ones you expected to be. Like if you

1378
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 1: had asked me, like, what was my career goal two

1379
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 1: years ago, it wouldn't it wouldn't be exactly what my

1380
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 1: professional life looks like now. And yet the things I'm

1381
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 1: doing now are so much more fulfilling than I mean, sorry,

1382
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 1: you know, like writing for like insert show here that

1383
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 1: I thought was like my dream job. I'm serious, Like, no,

1384
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, you're right. I was just I was wincing it,

1385
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 1: like I was going to name names. Oh wait, should

1386
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: I say bud? Oh? Sorry? Um? I also didn't say

1387
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 1: the glump. I only said glow, So that's my glove glum,

1388
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 1: I would say, was um, God, I don't do you

1389
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 1: have an answer? I do? Unfortunately, you should go and

1390
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:55,639
Speaker 1: then I'll circle back. Okay. So my rose or glow,

1391
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 1: I think was also like career stuff. I felt like

1392
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:03,720
Speaker 1: this year for me, I like finally got some some

1393
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 1: jobs that are like I feel like I've been like close,

1394
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:09,920
Speaker 1: I've been. I've been kind of a broke as bitch

1395
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 1: for a long time, and like it was one of

1396
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 1: those things where it was a lot of my friends

1397
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 1: being like, oh, You're so close, and it's like and

1398
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I know, like and I was

1399
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 1: like always taking it in stride and just like continuing.

1400
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 1: And then this year it was like a lot of

1401
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 1: things broke all at once and it's like finally a

1402
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:31,440
Speaker 1: little bit of like I can breathe for a moment um,

1403
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 1: which has been very affirming and very nice and has

1404
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 1: honestly given me a different perspective of myself. It's shown

1405
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:38,640
Speaker 1: me how big of like a chip I had on

1406
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 1: my shoulder, even which is kind of dark. Um, And

1407
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 1: I think my glum, if I'm being honest, was my

1408
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 1: jealousy relationship jealousy, which we've talked about a little on

1409
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,799
Speaker 1: the pod. Then again, but I like, yeah, this summer

1410
01:14:55,840 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 1: I really got into like genuine jealousy in a way

1411
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:04,760
Speaker 1: that was like very new and very like you mean,

1412
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:06,640
Speaker 1: just to clear I know you said relationship, but just

1413
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 1: to clarify for the listeners, like literally like romantic jealousy,

1414
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 1: not romantic ye, romantic jealousy. And the way that was

1415
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,640
Speaker 1: like like nothing that anyone did wrong. It was just

1416
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 1: like if anything, like some lack of communication, but it

1417
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:24,520
Speaker 1: was like it's very all encompassing, and it was like

1418
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: like kind of surprising how strongly it came on. And

1419
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 1: I think it was like coming out of like our

1420
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 1: houses for the first time and like seeking validation from

1421
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 1: other people and like either like not feeling like I'm

1422
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 1: getting enough validation or like feeling like something from the

1423
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 1: home is missing now that and it was just like

1424
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 1: all these things and I kind of went like I

1425
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 1: got really jealous this summer, and it's something I'm still

1426
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: like kind of having to check in with and like

1427
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:54,599
Speaker 1: I'm much better at it now, but it's like like

1428
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 1: I find myself still being like okay, like yeah, totally,

1429
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 1: So that was a weird one. Um, sorry to be

1430
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 1: unsexied everyone out there. Uh, And then what is one

1431
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 1: thing you're looking forward to next year? My bud life

1432
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:19,599
Speaker 1: is extremely unpredictable. Um, the one thing I do well. Actually,

1433
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 1: maybe this won't happen there. I don't know if you

1434
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 1: know this business, but things fall apart even when people

1435
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 1: say they're happening, they're happening. They're happening. But one thing

1436
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 1: that I wrote, like entirely on my own will in

1437
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 1: theory becoming to fruition this year and coming out next summer.

1438
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:40,640
Speaker 1: If that, unless something goes horribly wrong, which is possible,

1439
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 1: so maybe I will listen to this and be bummed out. Um,

1440
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna put it out into the ether. And

1441
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 1: that is something I am genuinely looking forward to, is

1442
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 1: seeing that thing next year. I love that. Um, I'm

1443
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:55,600
Speaker 1: looking forward to that as well. My I thought of

1444
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 1: a glum Okay, I guess I thought. I guess it's

1445
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 1: kind of part part of the same thing. Are we

1446
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 1: being careerists? Maybe I know it's who cares my glom

1447
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 1: and my and my but I think are similar, which

1448
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 1: is that my glom. And I'm trying to be kind

1449
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 1: to myself about this. But something that kind of fell

1450
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 1: by the way side was stand up for me this

1451
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:19,640
Speaker 1: year and like even after things open back up, I

1452
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 1: just like I was not doing it as I was

1453
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 1: doing it less than I've ever have since I started,

1454
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 1: basically like I was, you know, there was there was.

1455
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 1: There would be like a few weeks in a row.

1456
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 1: I would do it a couple of times a week,

1457
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 1: then I would fully stop for like a month. Then

1458
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 1: I would like, remember when I had my solo show,

1459
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 1: I like had not been on stage in multiple weeks

1460
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 1: and then got on stage to do a headlining set

1461
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:44,679
Speaker 1: like it, I was just there were too many other

1462
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 1: things happening. I was not writing you jokes and really

1463
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:51,639
Speaker 1: felt shitty about doing like three year old material. Um.

1464
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't think it was I don't

1465
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 1: think there was much I could have done differently, but

1466
01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 1: it did feel bad to not be doing the one

1467
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 1: thing I sically like doing the most by far. And

1468
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 1: so I would say, my bud is just like recommitting

1469
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 1: to that two and I think I would I want

1470
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 1: to do a you know, I want to have like

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01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 1: you know, in a within the year, have like a

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01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 1: new hour of material and do a solo show and

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01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,599
Speaker 1: feel good about it and feel like it's fresh material

1474
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 1: and not do any repeat material and just like fully

1475
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 1: commit to having a new hour, which I think is like,

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01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, exciting and possible and yeah, definitely I love

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01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 1: that I were a little careers but that's okay. This

1478
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:38,640
Speaker 1: is a podcast about our careers. Yeah, I guess it

1479
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 1: is a podcast about our careers. All right? Um, oh, okay,

1480
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 1: this is Yavas and what are your sun moon and risings?

1481
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 1: At George? It maybe that you have a Capricorn moon.

1482
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 1: My moon is in Capricorn. Is hard for us to

1483
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:55,719
Speaker 1: express our emotions the right way, so sometimes it sounds

1484
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 1: like we are mocking people because we speak in a

1485
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 1: monotone voice. Um, my son is in cancer, my moon

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01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 1: is in Gemini, and my rising is Capricorn. Does that

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01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 1: make sense? I am not the right person, ask I

1488
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 1: wish we had David Odyssey on. Okay, I am Cancer son,

1489
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 1: Virgo rising and Sagittarius moon. Interesting and so there we go.

1490
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 1: I I don't think either of us knows what any

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01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:26,440
Speaker 1: of those means. Great, great, all right, this is from Christopher,

1492
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:29,679
Speaker 1: he says, I'll be quick. I'm realizing that I value

1493
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 1: platonic friendships with other gay men so much more than

1494
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 1: sexual relationships. But here's the deal. I pretty much only

1495
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:38,639
Speaker 1: ever meet other gay guys through the hook up apps. Now,

1496
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:41,719
Speaker 1: I know that's theoretically possible to make lasting platonic friendships

1497
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 1: through the apps, but what I'm asking is, have either

1498
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 1: of you ever actually witnessed this happen? Am I going

1499
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 1: about this all wrong? I can't be the only gay

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01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 1: man out there who finds some sself cribbing meaningful conversations

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01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 1: with another human being more than six or who knows,

1502
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just a dumb bitch. Um. I'm trying to think,

1503
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 1: you know, like Misha has kind you know, slightly use

1504
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 1: the apps to make friends, like none of them are

1505
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 1: very close friends, but like because there's often times where

1506
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 1: he's like, like I have to go to a show

1507
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:10,720
Speaker 1: or something. He's like, well, I do just want to cook,

1508
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 1: get like a drink with a gay guy and like

1509
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 1: not really hook up, but like sort of talk like

1510
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 1: socialized like and maybe they're with friends and we can

1511
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 1: like sort of because I don't want to like travel

1512
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:23,599
Speaker 1: to Park Slope from Bushwick to like, so maybe there's

1513
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 1: just like neighborhood gays that I can just like hang out.

1514
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 1: Well that's an interesting yeah, just literally using it as

1515
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 1: like a neighborhood app, like he said, some success, but

1516
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:33,839
Speaker 1: nothing super lasting. But I feel like when we especially

1517
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 1: when we first moved to Bushwick, it was kind of helpful.

1518
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 1: Like I think you one gay guy in particular who

1519
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:39,560
Speaker 1: has since moved so we don't really hang out with

1520
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:41,799
Speaker 1: him anymore, but he was like our down the street

1521
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 1: neighbor and we would like hit him up on Sunday

1522
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:45,800
Speaker 1: afternoons to get a drink and it was like fun

1523
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 1: and we wouldn't hook up and then we'd come home

1524
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 1: and like that was that. I must say, I haven't

1525
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 1: used hook up apps in years. That sounds so nice

1526
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 1: to just have. I mean, unfortunately, I must say, I'm like,

1527
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 1: so I don't know if neurotica is the right word,

1528
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 1: but I'm so like worried about miscommunication that I'd be

1529
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 1: so scared to use a hook up app to make friends,

1530
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 1: Like I would feel like either the person would be

1531
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 1: I would think I'm weird or would be mad at

1532
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 1: me for tease, for being a tease or you know,

1533
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 1: uh or whatever. Um. But there is like a hole

1534
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,799
Speaker 1: in the market for just a hole in the market.

1535
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I I really do think like I

1536
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,799
Speaker 1: would love to know like within a five block radius,

1537
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 1: like what gay guys are here and whether we can

1538
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 1: you know, uh and and I would love to get

1539
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 1: a drink with someone platotically, but I kind of think

1540
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 1: my own uh you know, weirdness aside, why not just

1541
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:47,640
Speaker 1: shoot your shot, like just be like, hey want to

1542
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 1: you know, just like ask someone if they want to

1543
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 1: get a drink platonically, and the worst that can happen

1544
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 1: is still better than being rejected romantically. Yeah, I will say, like,

1545
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:00,120
Speaker 1: and also, you don't I don't think you need to

1546
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:01,680
Speaker 1: feel like a dumb bitch. I'm sure you are a

1547
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 1: dumb bitch and different ways, but like as we all are.

1548
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 1: But I think this way is like it is rare

1549
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 1: to like make friends through the apps. And I do

1550
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 1: think a lot of gay men like make friends via

1551
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 1: hooking up. Like I think they'll hook up and then

1552
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 1: like they'll stop hooking up, but they'll still be friendly

1553
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 1: and like that it's a possibility. But I do think

1554
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 1: a lot of gay men are looking for sex on

1555
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 1: those things more so than friendship. It's I don't know,

1556
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 1: there is something about reaching that state of nirvana where

1557
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:32,720
Speaker 1: you're just like this is gay culture, like nothing is

1558
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 1: nothing is clear and it's okay, and like, yes, I

1559
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 1: got to hook up with someone who's my friend for

1560
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 1: six years and then we can still be friends. It's

1561
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 1: like a different rule book. And I feel like I'm

1562
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 1: the older. I think it's a lifelong process and the

1563
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:49,440
Speaker 1: older I get, the more just kind of like comfortable

1564
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 1: and liberated. I am within those and I'm sorry I

1565
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 1: think anyone has ever fully it's there's always a kind

1566
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 1: of an excitement to gay life because you could have

1567
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 1: sex and someone, and I also think it goes out

1568
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 1: saying that, like adult friendships in general are kind of

1569
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 1: off the rails, like like to make friends not through

1570
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 1: your job or through another friend even is like how

1571
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 1: the hell, like what do you have in common? And

1572
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 1: it's like, so I think there's no like moral way

1573
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 1: to make friends as like if you're past the past

1574
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 1: college essentially moral way, like I do think, like because

1575
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 1: I'm talking mostly about like kind of about like my

1576
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 1: my straight for example, he is now like my friend

1577
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 1: and we hang out and it's normal, Like I don't

1578
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:44,680
Speaker 1: think I'm going to hook up. Um when people are

1579
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:46,679
Speaker 1: like how'd you guys meet, and it's like, well, it's

1580
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 1: not a good way, like like I thought he was

1581
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 1: trying to hook up, but like uh, so it's like, yeah,

1582
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 1: it's weird to explain, but it's like any any way

1583
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:01,880
Speaker 1: you can do it is is a good way. That

1584
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 1: is I agree, I agree, And you know what, It's

1585
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 1: just human connection is difficult but rewarding, but rewarding and

1586
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 1: literally worth it. So good luck out there, Christopher. Um wait,

1587
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 1: I want to address this next one even though it's

1588
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 1: on start. This is from craighead Nation, and craig head

1589
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:24,839
Speaker 1: Nation says, Hey, if we're being earnest here, our request

1590
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 1: for the new year is that Olivia craig Head of

1591
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 1: Gawker and Iconography fame be a guest. Thanks buying in.

1592
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 1: My response to this is literally, there's nothing I would

1593
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 1: like more. I love Olivia. I think she's brilliant. I

1594
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 1: have made the kind of executive decision to not have

1595
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 1: anyone I work with on the podcast, which I think,

1596
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:46,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think it's like a good a

1597
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 1: good policy. I feel conflicted about it because all of

1598
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 1: them would be so funny. But I just like, even

1599
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 1: if I, let's say I have every single person I

1600
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:57,679
Speaker 1: work with on the podcast, but like, what order would

1601
01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:00,120
Speaker 1: I have them in? Would they think they're I'm I'm

1602
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 1: picking favorite like it actually really sucks, because genuinely all

1603
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:05,760
Speaker 1: of them are so funny and and and would be

1604
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 1: great guests. But that's that is why Olivia has not

1605
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 1: been on. It is not because I don't want her on.

1606
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 1: It is because I am, in fact tortured by how

1607
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 1: much I want her on. And I promise you that

1608
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 1: when I am unceremoniously fired from Gowker because I like

1609
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 1: accidentally post a foot pick, I will immediately have a

1610
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:28,960
Speaker 1: Levy on. Alright, love it next, que. This is from Scott.

1611
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:31,200
Speaker 1: I somewhat recently broke up with a guy who is

1612
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 1: a curator at an IVY League institution, one where I

1613
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 1: believe George went. He's coy, but we can figure it out.

1614
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 1: And I'm about to start curating a different collection at

1615
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,679
Speaker 1: a different IVY League institution. I live near a come

1616
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 1: dump in Boston, and when I what and when I

1617
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 1: read him, I always think of my ex. I guess

1618
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 1: my question is, does this make me more of a

1619
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:54,200
Speaker 1: Samantha or Charlotte? Isn't that the most incredible paragraph you've

1620
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 1: ever read? I honestly need to reread it recently. I

1621
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:01,360
Speaker 1: re okay, I'm gonna this. No, you you trying to

1622
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 1: answer this while I read to myself, well, I just

1623
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 1: want to make this is like comedic perfection because it

1624
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 1: starts out and you think that it's going to be

1625
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 1: about advice, because he's like, I somewhat recently broke up

1626
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:14,760
Speaker 1: with a guy who's a curate. You know, there's like

1627
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 1: it's a classic kind of like dear prudy question, and

1628
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:19,960
Speaker 1: you're like, you think it's going to be like, you know,

1629
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 1: I still him, hung up on him? What do I

1630
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 1: do about that? And then it immediately turns into I

1631
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 1: live near a come dump in Boston, and when I

1632
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 1: breed him, I always think of my ex. I guess

1633
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 1: my question is does this make me more Samantha or

1634
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 1: Charlotte sam I think your issue was that you didn't um,

1635
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 1: you didn't interpret the phrase come dump in the correct way.

1636
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 1: Is that correct? I thought come dump was a space

1637
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 1: and it's a person. Basically, this person is saying they

1638
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:49,760
Speaker 1: live near a person who is a come dump in

1639
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:53,519
Speaker 1: Boston and when they breed him, they think of their ex.

1640
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 1: And yet again the final switch up. And this is

1641
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 1: why this is so genius. Here you still expect them

1642
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 1: to say what do I do about that? And and

1643
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:08,600
Speaker 1: and there's one final comedic switcher, which is that the

1644
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 1: question is does this make me more Samantha or Charlotte.

1645
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 1: I have an answer to this question. If you go first,

1646
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:21,160
Speaker 1: I wonder if we'll agree. I think this is absolutely Samantha.

1647
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:24,360
Speaker 1: I think this is a Samantha plot line like most Literally,

1648
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 1: I think like it's Samantha always trying to not have

1649
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:30,559
Speaker 1: feelings and like sunk her way through the pain, but

1650
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:33,800
Speaker 1: then like still unfortunately finding feelings. So I think it's

1651
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 1: hardcore Samantha. It's classic Samantha. And I just want to say, Scott,

1652
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 1: this question has brought me so much joy, genuinely, and

1653
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 1: I would like to give my best to the come

1654
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 1: dump and I hope he's doing well. You know, who

1655
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:50,760
Speaker 1: is a person, not a location? Not a location? Okay,

1656
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 1: next one, you take it away? This is from Jack.

1657
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:57,280
Speaker 1: Could you give some more recaps thoughts on and just

1658
01:27:57,439 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 1: like that, I would love to hear more takes and

1659
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 1: analysis of recent up. I thought this was fun. We

1660
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 1: might as well. Yeah, I might as well because this

1661
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:05,880
Speaker 1: does it come out on Thursdays? The show comes out

1662
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:07,760
Speaker 1: on Thursdays, so I'm one behind. I didn't watch the

1663
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 1: one that came out yesterday. Oh, Sam, it's a really

1664
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 1: good one. I think we should maybe skip this and

1665
01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:18,599
Speaker 1: just promised that we'll discuss it like next time. Yeah,

1666
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:20,720
Speaker 1: I're recording literally next week because I don't want to

1667
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 1: once again miss like the because here's what I'll say,

1668
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:29,840
Speaker 1: the latest episode, and I'm saying this live because this

1669
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 1: is going to come out before the next one. But

1670
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 1: like the episode where spoiler spoiler and Sam, this is

1671
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:38,679
Speaker 1: not a big spoiler, Carrie gets hip surgery is like

1672
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 1: is so it's good. It's like classic sex in the city,

1673
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 1: and it really solidifies for me that this reboot is

1674
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 1: going to go the distance. I think it's I think

1675
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:51,600
Speaker 1: it's great. There is a part of me that I

1676
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:53,800
Speaker 1: and I hate this part of me, but there's a

1677
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 1: part of me that is I would say even there's

1678
01:28:56,240 --> 01:29:00,240
Speaker 1: some like unexamined sexism or part of me was truly like, wow,

1679
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 1: we've lived long enough to see Carrie become a widow

1680
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 1: who gets hip surgery. Depressing. But the thing is, that

1681
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:11,599
Speaker 1: is why it's so good. It's like leaning it's leaning

1682
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 1: into exactly that, Like it is literally iconic that Carry

1683
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:19,680
Speaker 1: is a widow who gets hip surgery. On that episode,

1684
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:23,680
Speaker 1: I noticed was written by Samantha Herby very uh you know,

1685
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:26,800
Speaker 1: just an all around faith and we would be honored

1686
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:30,840
Speaker 1: if she if she would do the pop okay, okay away.

1687
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 1: I started this one just because I thought this is

1688
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:36,599
Speaker 1: a funny question. Ashley asks, how do you both feel

1689
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 1: about interrupting? George? And I just want to say about

1690
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:42,800
Speaker 1: that that I guess how I feel. Well. I think

1691
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 1: what I want to say is that, like, I think

1692
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 1: it's really important well before you do, I just I

1693
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 1: wanted to just point out one thing because I know

1694
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:50,599
Speaker 1: we'll get to your point. I just think that, like

1695
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:53,680
Speaker 1: if you actually think before you do that, there is

1696
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:57,799
Speaker 1: one thing that I was kind of thinking of, Actually,

1697
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 1: what do you think though, Yeah, I don't know. I'm

1698
01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:07,719
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, basically it depends on the contact,

1699
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:10,200
Speaker 1: Like if there if the wrong person interrupts me at

1700
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 1: the wrong time, I will be furious. I fully agree.

1701
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:16,640
Speaker 1: I think when my mood is like teetering and I

1702
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:20,479
Speaker 1: get interrupted, it's over, I'm like I'm out fully out.

1703
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 1: And I think it's very hard doing a podcast on

1704
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:28,439
Speaker 1: zoom to to talk about interrupting because we're all trying

1705
01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 1: to be very sensitive to it, but we're also all

1706
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:33,720
Speaker 1: trying to like have a conversation over a device, and

1707
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:38,080
Speaker 1: it's kind of complicated. I also think, like again context,

1708
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:41,720
Speaker 1: like sometimes I interrupted during the pod and then I'm like, funk,

1709
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have done that, Like that sounds like I'm

1710
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:46,200
Speaker 1: stepped on someone's toes. And then other times I interrupt

1711
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 1: because I'm like, this is a correct, creative decision. It's

1712
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 1: actually funnier if I interrupt and I stand by that. Okay,

1713
01:30:55,479 --> 01:31:01,760
Speaker 1: I actually love that question. Next, thank you, thank you actually, okay, okay,

1714
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 1: And this is from I mean, I'm sorry. I'm sorry

1715
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 1: I started this, but we have to. This is from

1716
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:09,360
Speaker 1: my question. We are we haven't already done this, have we?

1717
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 1: The thing is it doesn't matter. Okay, Well we'll make

1718
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:16,160
Speaker 1: it quick. We'll make it quick. Ben says, dear top

1719
01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 1: two glamour girls in the world, which one of the

1720
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 1: titular girls of HBO's girls do each one of you

1721
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 1: identify with? Sorry, but this is a great question. Also,

1722
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 1: which ultimately right wing cultural figure from today do you

1723
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:29,599
Speaker 1: think will Allah Joan Didion receive a mostly positive right

1724
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 1: up from the liberal intelligencia when they die? I love

1725
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 1: the pod, hate all the other pots. So I just

1726
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:38,360
Speaker 1: needed to say something so annoying real quick, and I'm sorry.

1727
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:41,800
Speaker 1: I just want to say something about Joan Didion. I

1728
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:45,120
Speaker 1: agree that she was right wing on her early days.

1729
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 1: I actually have been um reading her writing from the

1730
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 1: bush years, and I actually think she's a rare case

1731
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 1: of someone who got more progressive as they got older,

1732
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:55,599
Speaker 1: which I really respect because the normal thing is for

1733
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:58,720
Speaker 1: someone to like get reactionary when they get older. Like

1734
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:01,920
Speaker 1: so I get whatever. I don't want to be overly serious,

1735
01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:05,839
Speaker 1: but I actually, um, I really highly recommend like reading

1736
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:09,599
Speaker 1: things from like after two thousand that she wrote, Like

1737
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:12,160
Speaker 1: there's this piece in the New York Review of Books

1738
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:14,760
Speaker 1: that's I can't remember what it's called, but like you'll

1739
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 1: find it. It's written like two three or something that's

1740
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:20,639
Speaker 1: like about it's just like about post nine eleven culture basically,

1741
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 1: and I was like really shocked at how progressive and

1742
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:27,639
Speaker 1: like specific in its cultural critiques it was. So that's

1743
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:30,920
Speaker 1: my slightly annoying response to that. I did not know

1744
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 1: that she was well. She started out as like a

1745
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:37,320
Speaker 1: California Republican, and I feel like you can kind of

1746
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 1: read her work throughout the years as like evolving from

1747
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:43,760
Speaker 1: like grappling with that and evolving from that in a way.

1748
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:47,280
Speaker 1: It's so and you know, but I genuine like I

1749
01:32:47,320 --> 01:32:50,600
Speaker 1: always think it's so interesting when people get less conservative

1750
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:52,280
Speaker 1: as they get older. I think it's like one of

1751
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 1: the I think it's actually a sign of how sharp

1752
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:58,200
Speaker 1: of an intellect she was in that she never stopped

1753
01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:02,080
Speaker 1: questioning things basically anyway, you think there's anyone in our

1754
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:09,680
Speaker 1: current life who is like somewhat Republican who will be yes, uh,

1755
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:14,280
Speaker 1: literally all Republicans, don't you think? I mean that's like

1756
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:18,280
Speaker 1: how it's like liberal? Oh sorry, wait no, if your

1757
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:21,600
Speaker 1: question was who will become progressive, that that's not what

1758
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 1: I mean. I meant like the literal question of like

1759
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:25,439
Speaker 1: who will be eulogizing in the the New York Times. I

1760
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 1: mean they literally do it for like literally like the

1761
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:33,280
Speaker 1: worst senators and people that are like glowing Sarah Palin's

1762
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:38,240
Speaker 1: oh bit will be like literally like firebrand feminist of

1763
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:42,559
Speaker 1: controversial she was groundbreaking in Yeah it's gonna be toxic.

1764
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:45,120
Speaker 1: The what you need to learn about the liberal intelligentsia

1765
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:47,679
Speaker 1: is that they're actually not that liberal. Yeah, and also

1766
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:57,759
Speaker 1: they're not that intelligent. Okay, um, girls, girl, are you Uh, okay,

1767
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:04,120
Speaker 1: so maybe the Yeah, I think, well, you know what,

1768
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 1: I I see that for you, and you know what

1769
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 1: else about show takes with you is like her final

1770
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 1: act as like becoming a career girl. I feel like

1771
01:34:13,479 --> 01:34:16,559
Speaker 1: you're in that art of shows is narrative. Don't you

1772
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:20,640
Speaker 1: think it's possible as for me, I mean, not to

1773
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:22,880
Speaker 1: be main character syndrome, but I have a hope that

1774
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:25,800
Speaker 1: I'm or not even a hope because she's actually kind

1775
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:28,320
Speaker 1: of a detestable character. But I do feel like I

1776
01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 1: am Hannah in the sense that I'm kind of delusional

1777
01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:36,240
Speaker 1: and sometimes think I'm brilliant and sometimes truly think I'm

1778
01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:39,200
Speaker 1: like useless. Sure I can see that, Yeah, I can

1779
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 1: see that. I think, much like Canna, I am inconsistent

1780
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:46,760
Speaker 1: in my creative successes and failures. There are like ups

1781
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:49,439
Speaker 1: and downs kind of you're also like on the like

1782
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:51,120
Speaker 1: you kind of ride the wave in a way that's

1783
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:54,759
Speaker 1: kind of interesting, Like you like see where life takes

1784
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:59,120
Speaker 1: you in a way that I think is interesting interesting. Huh. Well,

1785
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:02,360
Speaker 1: I'll tell that as a compliment, even though, of course,

1786
01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:07,960
Speaker 1: thinking of ways it could be. No, let's hit the

1787
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:12,240
Speaker 1: next cue. This is from Elizabeth not really a question.

1788
01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:14,040
Speaker 1: But I've been marathoning The Pot and I noticed at

1789
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:16,439
Speaker 1: least once an episode, Sam questions that the episode is

1790
01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:19,360
Speaker 1: good slash listenable, and I wanted to know it's always good.

1791
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:21,680
Speaker 1: Thank you, well, thank you. I'm not gonna I'm not

1792
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 1: going to take that into account. How do you deal

1793
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:27,240
Speaker 1: with a job that is so awful and draining, it

1794
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:29,559
Speaker 1: has no work life balance but pays very very well.

1795
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:33,360
Speaker 1: This is like a very good question. I mean, can

1796
01:35:33,439 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 1: a girl have it all? I'm not so sure it

1797
01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:40,639
Speaker 1: really is. I've never been in this situation, but I mean,

1798
01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:43,720
Speaker 1: obviously the funny answer is like honey, give me, you know,

1799
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:47,840
Speaker 1: like suck it up, you're getting the money or whatever.

1800
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:50,360
Speaker 1: But like I do actually think, like when you're in

1801
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:54,479
Speaker 1: that situation does sound like an impossible mind. I think

1802
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what you think you should quit? I

1803
01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:02,280
Speaker 1: think you should quit. I think like money and workload

1804
01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 1: don't need to go hand in hand. You can have

1805
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:07,360
Speaker 1: a job that is like low workload and a lot

1806
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 1: of money if you just keep looking. Like the amount

1807
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 1: of money in a job is completely random in my experience, Like,

1808
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 1: so it's more like keep searching for like the right

1809
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:22,479
Speaker 1: work life balance because it's not reasonable to give up

1810
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:24,920
Speaker 1: your life. I do wish I knew more about the

1811
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:29,160
Speaker 1: specific job and career, because I'm like, if you're if

1812
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:31,479
Speaker 1: you're a surgeon, like, yeah, you're going to be working

1813
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:34,439
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah it's different. Um, but if you work

1814
01:36:34,479 --> 01:36:37,960
Speaker 1: in like advertising, then like move on. I listened. This

1815
01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 1: might not be the case for I. I just I

1816
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:43,880
Speaker 1: think as I've gotten older, I've actually gotten more likely

1817
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:46,600
Speaker 1: to take risks, which is kind of the opposite of

1818
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:48,479
Speaker 1: most people. I feel like I actually didn't have a

1819
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:52,479
Speaker 1: super adventurous twenties where I was just like CouchSurfing and

1820
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:54,160
Speaker 1: didn't know what I was doing, Like I was making

1821
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:57,360
Speaker 1: very conservative decisions. And now I'm like, I've kind of

1822
01:36:57,400 --> 01:36:59,800
Speaker 1: seen enough times that when you take a slight risk,

1823
01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:03,000
Speaker 1: it's actually very likely to pay off, and if it doesn't,

1824
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:06,280
Speaker 1: it's not a big deal. And so I'm like, I

1825
01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:08,360
Speaker 1: do think that, like, if I have a job and

1826
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:12,519
Speaker 1: it's not working out, I can see myself being okay

1827
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:16,400
Speaker 1: with like leaving it and trying something else. Like especially sorry,

1828
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:17,680
Speaker 1: but if you're the type of person who does have

1829
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:21,000
Speaker 1: a high paying job, that means there's a certain level

1830
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:23,160
Speaker 1: of privilege where like you actually probably will land on

1831
01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:24,880
Speaker 1: your feet in some way and it will be like

1832
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:27,120
Speaker 1: a slightly better You'll land on your feet in like

1833
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:29,400
Speaker 1: a slightly better situation, and it's a it's a process,

1834
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 1: and maybe it's like the third job from now that

1835
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:34,240
Speaker 1: will be your dream job or the the one you want.

1836
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:36,479
Speaker 1: And it's also like the most obvious stuff in the

1837
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:38,680
Speaker 1: world of like, once you reach a certain amount of money,

1838
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:40,960
Speaker 1: money doesn't make you any happier, So having a very

1839
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:44,840
Speaker 1: very happening job won't like help you need to balance.

1840
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:49,720
Speaker 1: I actually am now like so completely on your I'm

1841
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:51,920
Speaker 1: still completely agreeing with your initial assessment. Like at first

1842
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:53,600
Speaker 1: I was going to say something, try to try to

1843
01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:56,640
Speaker 1: make try to make it more complex than it is.

1844
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:59,120
Speaker 1: But it's I really do think that, like we have

1845
01:37:59,240 --> 01:38:02,360
Speaker 1: one life and you can't like it is It's true.

1846
01:38:02,360 --> 01:38:05,360
Speaker 1: It really it's like to not have a work life

1847
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 1: balance is like literally wasted, Like it is to spend

1848
01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:13,840
Speaker 1: all your day doing something you don't want to do

1849
01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:17,760
Speaker 1: with your one life is suffocate. Like you'll feel so

1850
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:21,120
Speaker 1: much better when you're not doing that anymore. Yeah, next

1851
01:38:21,160 --> 01:38:26,479
Speaker 1: to Okay, there is a very very sweet intro to

1852
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:29,519
Speaker 1: this um. But we are already forty minutes over, so

1853
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:32,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna skip it. But just know Bella that we

1854
01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:34,280
Speaker 1: that we really appreciate it. So this is from Bella.

1855
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 1: Here's a question that I would love to hear you

1856
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:39,040
Speaker 1: answer earnestly. What is your sliding doors moment? Oh, this

1857
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:41,160
Speaker 1: is perfect, as I have an answer um for the

1858
01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:45,559
Speaker 1: dumb dumbs unfamiliar with the culture movie. Essentially, it's asking

1859
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:48,760
Speaker 1: you to consider the seemingly inconsequential everyday moments that make

1860
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:52,160
Speaker 1: or break the most important relationships, decisions, events in our lives,

1861
01:38:52,479 --> 01:38:55,919
Speaker 1: as in what if that one little thing had happened differently?

1862
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:58,719
Speaker 1: So the question is what is your slide and Girls moment?

1863
01:38:58,760 --> 01:39:02,040
Speaker 1: I actually have my so say yours because I'm not

1864
01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:08,320
Speaker 1: super familiar with So basically, it's like Gwyneth Paltrow starts

1865
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:11,040
Speaker 1: out from what I remember, She's going to the subway,

1866
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 1: so the sliding doors refer to the subway doors. And

1867
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:17,040
Speaker 1: there's one version of events where she misses her train

1868
01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:20,280
Speaker 1: and one version where she doesn't, And what ends up

1869
01:39:20,280 --> 01:39:23,839
Speaker 1: happening basically is like in the version where she misses

1870
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 1: her train, she ends up going back to her apartment

1871
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:29,320
Speaker 1: and finds her boyfriend cheating on her, and then in

1872
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:31,880
Speaker 1: the other one, she goes to work and doesn't know

1873
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:34,799
Speaker 1: he's cheating on her. And so then the movie splits

1874
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:37,280
Speaker 1: its time between the two versions that could have happened,

1875
01:39:37,720 --> 01:39:39,960
Speaker 1: and they each lead to different lives. Does that make sense?

1876
01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:41,920
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like, what is that moment that

1877
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:44,719
Speaker 1: if the decision had gone differently, your entire life would

1878
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:47,880
Speaker 1: be different? Okay, let me hear yours, and I think

1879
01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:52,200
Speaker 1: it will help. This is this is the most useless brag,

1880
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:55,479
Speaker 1: so please forgive it. But when I was applying for colleges,

1881
01:39:56,320 --> 01:40:01,439
Speaker 1: I got into this program in biomedical and nearing at

1882
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 1: Johns Hopkins University. That's like a I was very in

1883
01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:09,160
Speaker 1: high school, was very into biology, and I also like

1884
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:13,600
Speaker 1: was more into STEM than into like writing and stuff, um,

1885
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:16,400
Speaker 1: And so I did this like specific application that was

1886
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:19,120
Speaker 1: for this specific program, Like it wasn't just to get

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Speaker 1: into the school, was to get into the specific program.

1888
01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:25,200
Speaker 1: And that program like pretty much if you started like

1889
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:27,799
Speaker 1: that is kind of what you're committing your life too.

1890
01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:30,679
Speaker 1: And I actually very seriously considered it at the time

1891
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:32,679
Speaker 1: because I was just like, I don't know, I didn't

1892
01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:33,880
Speaker 1: know what I wanted to do. And I was very

1893
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:36,240
Speaker 1: drawn to the prestige of it, and I you know,

1894
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:39,280
Speaker 1: I had spent some time in Baltimore and I really

1895
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:41,840
Speaker 1: like the city, and I was like, oh, this is like,

1896
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:44,400
Speaker 1: this is such a nice way to not have to

1897
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:47,240
Speaker 1: make any decisions because they've been made for me. And

1898
01:40:47,680 --> 01:40:50,160
Speaker 1: I do sometimes think, like I try. I truly did

1899
01:40:50,160 --> 01:40:52,040
Speaker 1: consider it very seriously, and I like, what if I

1900
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:56,600
Speaker 1: had literally become a biomedical engineer, like that would have

1901
01:40:56,640 --> 01:40:58,680
Speaker 1: been my life. I don't think I would have. The

1902
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:00,720
Speaker 1: thing is, I don't think I think the reason I

1903
01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:05,400
Speaker 1: was able to leave behind the other things I did

1904
01:41:05,560 --> 01:41:08,120
Speaker 1: academically was because none of them were really leading to

1905
01:41:08,280 --> 01:41:12,040
Speaker 1: any incredible opportunities anyway. So it was like a pretty

1906
01:41:12,040 --> 01:41:15,719
Speaker 1: easy choice. I've never had like a highly paid job,

1907
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:18,439
Speaker 1: like even my tech job was a contractor position, and

1908
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:20,639
Speaker 1: then I worked in academia where I made like less

1909
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:23,160
Speaker 1: money than the people that work in in corporate in

1910
01:41:23,160 --> 01:41:25,599
Speaker 1: the corporate world, So it was never like a difficult

1911
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:28,720
Speaker 1: decision to leave that behind to to slum it as

1912
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Speaker 1: an artist. Whereas I do think if I was if

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Speaker 1: I had literally spent my college year studying biomedical engineering,

1914
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:38,360
Speaker 1: I probably would have, like then thought the natural thing

1915
01:41:38,479 --> 01:41:40,240
Speaker 1: was to go to like grad school for it. Maybe

1916
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:43,240
Speaker 1: it would have be a doctor like so that that's

1917
01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 1: like a pretty big one for me. I think that's

1918
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:49,360
Speaker 1: pretty big. That's huge. Actually I love that. I mean,

1919
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Speaker 1: I love imagining the movie where you're a biomedical engineer

1920
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:56,519
Speaker 1: and making me laugh. It's very um. I think if

1921
01:41:56,560 --> 01:41:59,120
Speaker 1: I have anything, it minds a little more subtle. And

1922
01:41:59,160 --> 01:42:02,760
Speaker 1: I think it's when I did not get on like

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01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:06,719
Speaker 1: a UCB house team. I when I moved to New York,

1924
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:09,920
Speaker 1: like everything else, I was pretty like, this is my choice.

1925
01:42:10,040 --> 01:42:13,280
Speaker 1: Like I was extriving in ways that I like, and

1926
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:15,599
Speaker 1: the thing I wanted was the thing I did, and like,

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01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:17,599
Speaker 1: so I took my path and this was the first

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01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:19,680
Speaker 1: time where I was like being told no, and I

1929
01:42:19,720 --> 01:42:22,080
Speaker 1: was like, wait, this is what I but this is

1930
01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:25,000
Speaker 1: my plan, this is what I want. And then it

1931
01:42:25,120 --> 01:42:28,040
Speaker 1: was very um, but like not getting on one like

1932
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:32,120
Speaker 1: filled me with like motivation and anger to be honest,

1933
01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:34,519
Speaker 1: and like I was like, Okay, I'm just gonna like

1934
01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:37,799
Speaker 1: do it on my own. And then I like started

1935
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:39,599
Speaker 1: stand up and that's when I met all my friends

1936
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:42,240
Speaker 1: and that's when like that's when life actually started in

1937
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:45,680
Speaker 1: like comedy and uh. And I think if I had

1938
01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:48,439
Speaker 1: gotten into a UCV team, my life would be entirely

1939
01:42:48,439 --> 01:42:53,160
Speaker 1: different right now and not better, just because that era

1940
01:42:53,320 --> 01:42:56,479
Speaker 1: of UCB was like the beginning of the end. So

1941
01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:58,639
Speaker 1: I would have been like tied to a sinking ship

1942
01:42:59,320 --> 01:43:03,320
Speaker 1: and it would not be chill. Yeah, I yeah, I

1943
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:05,759
Speaker 1: don't want to offend anyone in used to be teams,

1944
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:11,160
Speaker 1: but unfortunately they ruined lives. Yeah, it really was like,

1945
01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:13,599
Speaker 1: and you like lower your I don't know, we don't

1946
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:14,920
Speaker 1: need to get into all of that again, but it's

1947
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:16,639
Speaker 1: like they really like find a way to lower yourself

1948
01:43:16,640 --> 01:43:18,519
Speaker 1: worth to feel like you need them. And so it

1949
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:22,680
Speaker 1: was like I was so glad to branch out of

1950
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:25,080
Speaker 1: that and I needed to be rejected to to not

1951
01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:28,640
Speaker 1: be in that world because I would have like fully

1952
01:43:29,200 --> 01:43:35,080
Speaker 1: drank the kool Aida. What a world? The world? Okay,

1953
01:43:36,200 --> 01:43:39,360
Speaker 1: this maybe we should just skip this. It's I. I

1954
01:43:39,439 --> 01:43:41,400
Speaker 1: just was like, oh, this is funny because it's unhinged.

1955
01:43:41,400 --> 01:43:44,400
Speaker 1: But we're like, yeah, I mean it's very funny. Let's

1956
01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:47,720
Speaker 1: shout out to Brandon for sending the unhinged email. We

1957
01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:49,720
Speaker 1: love it and I'm sorry we can't respond to it

1958
01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:52,200
Speaker 1: because we're trying to keep this shorter than normal. Wait,

1959
01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:56,240
Speaker 1: should we actually say that? I kind of like that? Actually, okay,

1960
01:43:56,400 --> 01:43:59,840
Speaker 1: and and we're not being We actually love this this

1961
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:03,360
Speaker 1: email about your toxic friend who is a swifty and

1962
01:44:03,479 --> 01:44:07,479
Speaker 1: a vegan, and that also includes screenshots of Instagram d

1963
01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:13,760
Speaker 1: m s and Instagram posts and and and genuinely like,

1964
01:44:13,880 --> 01:44:17,400
Speaker 1: we will talk about it off, Mike, but I also

1965
01:44:17,439 --> 01:44:19,760
Speaker 1: love that the ants that the subject line is all

1966
01:44:19,800 --> 01:44:24,280
Speaker 1: to Wellington parentheses vegan swifty version. I mean, it's probably it,

1967
01:44:24,640 --> 01:44:26,720
Speaker 1: and like, I'm not I just want you to know

1968
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:30,000
Speaker 1: we're not skipping it because we don't like it. We're

1969
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:33,519
Speaker 1: skipping it because you won't be able to tell this

1970
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:35,800
Speaker 1: because this has been heavily edited. But we've been at

1971
01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:39,120
Speaker 1: this for a very long time. We just don't have

1972
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:40,960
Speaker 1: it in us. But we will keep it in mind

1973
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:44,120
Speaker 1: and potentially mention it on a on a future episode. Okay,

1974
01:44:44,479 --> 01:44:48,840
Speaker 1: Oh this is fun. Okay, so isn't my trying to read? Yes,

1975
01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:54,720
Speaker 1: this is from Angelina, and Angelina says to steal a

1976
01:44:54,720 --> 01:44:58,040
Speaker 1: phrase from a fellow pod who was the comedian that

1977
01:44:58,120 --> 01:45:02,479
Speaker 1: made you say comedy was for me? Oh? I love this? Yeah?

1978
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:05,960
Speaker 1: Oh wait, there's a second part and or as the

1979
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:09,080
Speaker 1: pioneers who make a podcast about podcasting, do you listen

1980
01:45:09,080 --> 01:45:13,000
Speaker 1: to any podcasts besides Slight Culture, gap Fest wherever you

1981
01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:14,880
Speaker 1: pop up as guests on other pods I listened to,

1982
01:45:14,920 --> 01:45:16,960
Speaker 1: I do feel validated that they must in fact be good.

1983
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:19,360
Speaker 1: Oh well, that's very street. Thank you. I have a

1984
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:25,160
Speaker 1: maybe a hybrid answer of like, I remember listening to

1985
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:28,200
Speaker 1: like and this is not that far in the past,

1986
01:45:28,240 --> 01:45:32,760
Speaker 1: but like Chelsea Pretti's podcast was so funny and like

1987
01:45:33,479 --> 01:45:35,760
Speaker 1: really spoke to me and how like because I was

1988
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:37,720
Speaker 1: like in New York at this point when this was

1989
01:45:37,760 --> 01:45:40,960
Speaker 1: coming out and like kind of starting my comedy journey,

1990
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:43,200
Speaker 1: and it was like listening to that, I was like,

1991
01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:46,040
Speaker 1: oh see, you can be like a little bit shitty

1992
01:45:46,200 --> 01:45:48,559
Speaker 1: and a little bit kind and like do it your

1993
01:45:48,640 --> 01:45:50,840
Speaker 1: way and like it can all work out. And so

1994
01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:53,160
Speaker 1: I was like, really, when I was already in New

1995
01:45:53,200 --> 01:45:56,240
Speaker 1: York doing comedy, inspired by that podcast and being like, Okay,

1996
01:45:56,320 --> 01:45:58,439
Speaker 1: I gotta like set my sights on what I want

1997
01:45:58,479 --> 01:46:00,000
Speaker 1: and not what I feel like I'm supposed to want.

1998
01:46:00,120 --> 01:46:04,120
Speaker 1: And she's just so funny. Love's so funny. She's so funny,

1999
01:46:04,200 --> 01:46:09,840
Speaker 1: and I mean her Netflix special is still to me

2000
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:14,360
Speaker 1: one of the all time one of the great Yeah

2001
01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:17,080
Speaker 1: we love Chelsea pretty that special probably came out when

2002
01:46:17,080 --> 01:46:19,080
Speaker 1: I was starting out maybe and it was like one

2003
01:46:19,120 --> 01:46:21,200
Speaker 1: of the ones that was most of of that like

2004
01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:24,640
Speaker 1: generation that was most influential to me. I mean, if

2005
01:46:24,640 --> 01:46:29,360
Speaker 1: we're talking about people that are again like slightly you know,

2006
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:32,880
Speaker 1: like a microgeneration ahead of us, not even microgeneration is

2007
01:46:32,920 --> 01:46:34,400
Speaker 1: just like a few years, but just have been doing

2008
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:37,519
Speaker 1: comedy longer. I mean, of course, our friend Naomi Paragan

2009
01:46:37,800 --> 01:46:41,000
Speaker 1: is I think huge for both of us. People that

2010
01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:44,320
Speaker 1: are like literally different people that I watched when I

2011
01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:46,679
Speaker 1: was like a kid. I mean I loved Joan Rivers,

2012
01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:52,040
Speaker 1: I loved Sarah Silverman, I loved the Psyches, I loved

2013
01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:56,360
Speaker 1: Margaret Show. I mean, I mean all the SNL girls

2014
01:46:56,360 --> 01:46:58,800
Speaker 1: really a s I mean honestly, all of us like

2015
01:46:58,960 --> 01:47:01,960
Speaker 1: SNL was like, yeah, if we're being completely honest, that's

2016
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:06,639
Speaker 1: like the reason I got into comedy. Yeah, but also

2017
01:47:06,800 --> 01:47:09,280
Speaker 1: for me, maybe I actually think you're probably more of

2018
01:47:09,320 --> 01:47:11,719
Speaker 1: a sketch person. I'm more of a Weekend up Date person.

2019
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:13,439
Speaker 1: But like when I used to watch Weekend Up Date

2020
01:47:13,479 --> 01:47:17,479
Speaker 1: with like Tina and Amy or Amy or like who

2021
01:47:17,560 --> 01:47:20,519
Speaker 1: is it before you're even like Jimmy and Jimmy and

2022
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:22,680
Speaker 1: Tina actually was like they had a great kid, they

2023
01:47:22,720 --> 01:47:24,719
Speaker 1: had a great chim I was like, oh my god,

2024
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:28,840
Speaker 1: you're like you're doing punchlines about current events. That's It's

2025
01:47:28,880 --> 01:47:32,640
Speaker 1: like the funniest possible thing I can imagine. Also, and

2026
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:35,680
Speaker 1: I know we're not like this rigid, but like that

2027
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:39,680
Speaker 1: dynamic somewhat similar to what we do. I'm realizing, Like

2028
01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:41,519
Speaker 1: the whole thing was like I'm the serious one. I'm

2029
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:45,800
Speaker 1: the dumb one, like like Tina would be like this

2030
01:47:45,800 --> 01:47:47,800
Speaker 1: guy is such a dumb bitch, and oh my god,

2031
01:47:48,600 --> 01:47:52,600
Speaker 1: like and like I kind of it's there's something there, Okay,

2032
01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:55,920
Speaker 1: I mean I don't well, okay, we don't do it that.

2033
01:47:56,320 --> 01:47:57,599
Speaker 1: I know. I know, I know. I mean I think

2034
01:47:57,600 --> 01:47:59,600
Speaker 1: it's like empowering if you call yourself that. But I

2035
01:47:59,640 --> 01:48:04,839
Speaker 1: just wanted on record that I do not agree um anyway.

2036
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:07,160
Speaker 1: But but yes, SML was big. All those women. I mean,

2037
01:48:07,280 --> 01:48:09,439
Speaker 1: it was just like, not to be cliche, but like

2038
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:12,240
Speaker 1: seeing women do stand up as a young gay kid

2039
01:48:12,360 --> 01:48:16,080
Speaker 1: is essentially the most beautiful possible experience one can have.

2040
01:48:16,760 --> 01:48:21,000
Speaker 1: I cannot help but agree. It's just like shockingly influential.

2041
01:48:21,160 --> 01:48:25,240
Speaker 1: Like to see Margaret Choe do some joke about I

2042
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:27,800
Speaker 1: don't know, like Bush. I was like, this is the

2043
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:31,240
Speaker 1: best thing I can ever imagine. Um all that, And

2044
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:35,679
Speaker 1: to see Mike Myers play both Austin Powers and Dr Evil.

2045
01:48:35,720 --> 01:48:41,479
Speaker 1: I said, wow, Drag is for me? Yes, oh yeah,

2046
01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:47,400
Speaker 1: I mean those movies. Those movies were huge. There's so much. Unfortunately,

2047
01:48:47,439 --> 01:48:49,280
Speaker 1: when you love comedy, you can't just narrow it down

2048
01:48:49,320 --> 01:48:53,760
Speaker 1: to one because you just eat it all up. And

2049
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:57,960
Speaker 1: then in terms of podcasting, UM, I mean I have

2050
01:48:58,040 --> 01:49:00,280
Speaker 1: to say my answers are not that interesting kind of

2051
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:02,639
Speaker 1: Oh mine are bad. They're yeah, they're bad. So let's

2052
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:06,479
Speaker 1: let's shout out to who weekly past guest Lindsay webrawls

2053
01:49:06,479 --> 01:49:08,759
Speaker 1: in every week. Shout out to this had Oscar Bows

2054
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:12,400
Speaker 1: my other my favorite. Shout out to every Jamie Loftus

2055
01:49:12,439 --> 01:49:16,240
Speaker 1: podcast We love a legend, Yes, an absolute legend, an

2056
01:49:16,240 --> 01:49:19,559
Speaker 1: absolute legend, and every podcast of everyone that has ever

2057
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:23,160
Speaker 1: been on our show. Okay, um, oh, we have a

2058
01:49:23,240 --> 01:49:26,800
Speaker 1: we have a question from um save that I think

2059
01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:29,559
Speaker 1: they say, no, I didn't start because they say it's

2060
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:31,160
Speaker 1: not really a question. But I just want to say,

2061
01:49:31,160 --> 01:49:33,599
Speaker 1: shout out to stop. Sab is our listener who works

2062
01:49:33,680 --> 01:49:35,960
Speaker 1: at that copy of coffee shop I frequent and I stay,

2063
01:49:36,840 --> 01:49:39,719
Speaker 1: so I just wanted to shout out, um. And then

2064
01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:43,880
Speaker 1: we have this one from Olivia. This first question is

2065
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:47,479
Speaker 1: literally one of the funniest things I've ever read. Okay,

2066
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:52,120
Speaker 1: Olivia's questions are, if you had to ironically and earnestly

2067
01:49:52,280 --> 01:49:55,160
Speaker 1: fighting any more, which one would you fight in? You

2068
01:49:55,240 --> 01:50:02,519
Speaker 1: can't die? This is so funny. I mean, there's so

2069
01:50:02,600 --> 01:50:05,120
Speaker 1: much to this. Can you be traumatized? I mean, if

2070
01:50:05,120 --> 01:50:09,120
Speaker 1: we're talking about literal war, I'm gonna have to go

2071
01:50:09,200 --> 01:50:12,360
Speaker 1: with World War two because it is the most um,

2072
01:50:12,600 --> 01:50:17,479
Speaker 1: kind of ethically straightforward one as far as wars go.

2073
01:50:19,040 --> 01:50:22,639
Speaker 1: I would rather be fighting Nazis. Yeah, And I would

2074
01:50:22,680 --> 01:50:24,679
Speaker 1: love to look back at my war and be like, yeah,

2075
01:50:24,760 --> 01:50:26,640
Speaker 1: I was in the good war, Yes, the one that

2076
01:50:26,720 --> 01:50:28,760
Speaker 1: was for a good reason. And that's kind of my

2077
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:32,160
Speaker 1: answer to that, to be honest. Okay, I also would

2078
01:50:32,200 --> 01:50:35,920
Speaker 1: say the streaming wars. Oh. I mean, we're soldiers right now,

2079
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:38,640
Speaker 1: and we're soldiers right now, and this kind of a race,

2080
01:50:38,720 --> 01:50:43,960
Speaker 1: isn't that? Do you identify as more man or muppet?

2081
01:50:44,040 --> 01:50:50,720
Speaker 1: What percentage breakdown? Um? I'm um, here's something about me.

2082
01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:52,360
Speaker 1: I think this is just because my parents were for

2083
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:55,599
Speaker 1: literally never seen a second of the Muppets. Really not

2084
01:50:55,720 --> 01:50:57,880
Speaker 1: none of the movies, none of the series. I know,

2085
01:50:58,040 --> 01:51:00,800
Speaker 1: I know them from pop culture, like you know, I

2086
01:51:00,840 --> 01:51:02,880
Speaker 1: know who some of them are, but I I know

2087
01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:05,559
Speaker 1: nothing like I I've never seen a second of the mouth. Well,

2088
01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:07,840
Speaker 1: you should watch Muppets Christmas Carol next to you will

2089
01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:11,519
Speaker 1: you'll really have a blast. Let's uh, what's your theme song?

2090
01:51:11,680 --> 01:51:14,520
Speaker 1: It's kind of a boring answer. We just like commissioned

2091
01:51:14,520 --> 01:51:17,560
Speaker 1: it before we started the pod um and what and

2092
01:51:17,720 --> 01:51:20,400
Speaker 1: the oh, sorry, you should your reading? And what would

2093
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:22,320
Speaker 1: you name your boat? I actually don't have a good

2094
01:51:22,320 --> 01:51:25,360
Speaker 1: answer for this, do you Okay? Yes, mine would be

2095
01:51:26,280 --> 01:51:38,080
Speaker 1: uh Hannah, horror bath genius And I think, oh my god,

2096
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Speaker 1: that's all. Wait, we need to do straight shooters. Oh

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01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:44,960
Speaker 1: and yes to Okay, So a lot of you sent

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01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:48,639
Speaker 1: straight shooters, and so we're just gonna read all of them. So, yes,

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01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:51,320
Speaker 1: we're not acknowledging who gets credit. We're not acknowledging who

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01:51:51,360 --> 01:51:55,320
Speaker 1: wrote who they are remain now, but just feel joy

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01:51:55,360 --> 01:51:58,559
Speaker 1: that the world has experienced your art. So let's just

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01:51:58,640 --> 01:52:02,719
Speaker 1: go off, you know, let's just switch off. Okay, Okay,

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01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:07,400
Speaker 1: should I start? Sure? Okay, A straight white man not

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01:52:07,560 --> 01:52:11,000
Speaker 1: acknowledging the existence of the glass ceiling, or a gay

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01:52:11,120 --> 01:52:16,920
Speaker 1: instat thought not acknowledging your existence on grinder? Okay, Mary J.

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01:52:17,080 --> 01:52:21,320
Speaker 1: Blind Do you want to pick? Oh? I pick? You're right? Sorry?

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01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:24,280
Speaker 1: I pick um against the thought not acknowledging your resistance

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01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:30,080
Speaker 1: on grinder. Okay, okay, Mary J. Blige, Mary kay le Tour,

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01:52:30,160 --> 01:52:37,719
Speaker 1: new Congressman, Mary Gay Scanlon or Bloody Mary by Lady Gaga. Wait,

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01:52:37,800 --> 01:52:43,559
Speaker 1: do you know who Mary Kayla turn is? No? Okay? Um,

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01:52:43,600 --> 01:52:46,439
Speaker 1: it's actually I googled and it's like an extremely dark

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Speaker 1: um story that involves like the murder of a child. Um,

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01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:55,479
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go ahead and not pick her. I

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01:52:55,520 --> 01:52:57,880
Speaker 1: would you know what I'm gonna go just I'm gonna

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01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:01,720
Speaker 1: go Bloody Mary by Lady Gaga class um owning the

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01:53:01,840 --> 01:53:05,360
Speaker 1: libs to make them cry or owning the night like

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01:53:05,439 --> 01:53:08,840
Speaker 1: the fourth of July. I mean that's genius, incredible. I

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01:53:08,840 --> 01:53:12,080
Speaker 1: mean that's owning the lips to make them cry. Perfect. Okay,

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Speaker 1: And there's another Katie Perry themed one Baby You're a

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01:53:14,720 --> 01:53:17,840
Speaker 1: Firework or my Baby Got Fired? From her work. I

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01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:21,120
Speaker 1: mean percent my baby got fired from her work. I

2122
01:53:21,120 --> 01:53:23,040
Speaker 1: can hear that sentence and it's like slightly off, but

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01:53:23,080 --> 01:53:28,479
Speaker 1: it's also right. It's actually uh crazy to read these.

2124
01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:33,240
Speaker 1: They're so on on brand, Like these are perfect, They're

2125
01:53:33,280 --> 01:53:36,000
Speaker 1: better than ours. Okay, Explaining n f T S to

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01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:39,360
Speaker 1: a stranger at a bar, or explaining your undergraduate degree

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01:53:39,479 --> 01:53:42,280
Speaker 1: to a stranger at a bar. I'm gonna go explaining

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01:53:42,280 --> 01:53:44,880
Speaker 1: your undergraduate degree to a stranger at a bar. Oh

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01:53:44,880 --> 01:53:50,960
Speaker 1: my god, this next one is incredible, Okay, Joanne. Trittoria

2130
01:53:51,120 --> 01:53:56,120
Speaker 1: or antibiotic resistance gone aria. I tried to change the

2131
01:53:58,040 --> 01:54:00,439
Speaker 1: I thought that would help, but it's gonna If you

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01:54:00,479 --> 01:54:05,560
Speaker 1: guys couldn't understand my Italian accent, I've actually been diagnosed

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01:54:05,560 --> 01:54:09,040
Speaker 1: with a severe case of tritoria. How do you say

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01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:16,479
Speaker 1: that for real? The Joanne variant? Um is it? Now?

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01:54:16,520 --> 01:54:18,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. Now, now you're making me sick. I

2136
01:54:18,360 --> 01:54:21,920
Speaker 1: would have said tritoria, but but I think maybe you're right.

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01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:25,000
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I'm so bad at I'm so

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01:54:25,080 --> 01:54:28,599
Speaker 1: bad at specifically Italian. I get mixed up with um

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01:54:28,680 --> 01:54:32,560
Speaker 1: and but I am going to have to say Joanne, Okay, Okay,

2140
01:54:32,680 --> 01:54:36,480
Speaker 1: um going off alarm, boring alarm or Joan Diddian alarm,

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01:54:36,880 --> 01:54:39,760
Speaker 1: rest in Power. I mean to say Joan Diddion for

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01:54:39,880 --> 01:54:42,720
Speaker 1: rest in power. We do love like the Joan Didian

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01:54:42,760 --> 01:54:45,200
Speaker 1: alarm was one of the better things we've said. I

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01:54:45,200 --> 01:54:53,959
Speaker 1: think just you just saying ring the Joan Didion alone. Okay, Okay,

2145
01:54:54,160 --> 01:54:56,880
Speaker 1: Sam and George or George and Sam. Okay, I'm gonna

2146
01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:59,160
Speaker 1: say George and Sam. Not because I'm first, but because

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01:54:59,200 --> 01:55:03,240
Speaker 1: that makes you the head liner. Oh you know how

2148
01:55:03,240 --> 01:55:07,080
Speaker 1: to spin anything, huh. Okay, Okay, I like this a lot.

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01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:11,680
Speaker 1: Hotline bling or the girl from the Ring. I'm gonna

2150
01:55:11,720 --> 01:55:16,480
Speaker 1: go girl from the Ring. Yeah, I think that's correct. Okay,

2151
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:20,680
Speaker 1: Panic Attacks, Panic at the Disco or Disco Inferno. I'm

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01:55:20,720 --> 01:55:22,680
Speaker 1: gonna you know what, I'm gonna actually stay Panic at

2153
01:55:22,680 --> 01:55:25,840
Speaker 1: the Disco one of the all time band names in

2154
01:55:25,880 --> 01:55:28,440
Speaker 1: my opinion. I mean, it really made a splash. It

2155
01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:32,200
Speaker 1: was like purposefully like annoying in a way that I

2156
01:55:32,240 --> 01:55:35,879
Speaker 1: think really threw people off. I'm sorry to have Panic

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01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:39,240
Speaker 1: at the Disco first, and then to put an exclamation

2158
01:55:39,320 --> 01:55:49,040
Speaker 1: point after Panic. It's fucking demented. All right. That's uh,

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Speaker 1: that's our show. That's the ernest finanza. I guess, um,

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Speaker 1: thank you for listening, thank you for supporting, and we

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Speaker 1: love you and we have you had a fun New

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Speaker 1: Years And here we come, here we cut twenty You

2163
01:56:06,520 --> 01:56:09,680
Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna just say. I genuinely think it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a good year, should we? Um just really

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Speaker 1: quickly make some predictions. Um, he's like in like maybe

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Speaker 1: in like a shout out way okay, very short, okay, Okay,

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Speaker 1: this year two, I see the world and wars will

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Speaker 1: end longer found dead. I think people will be listening

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01:56:29,680 --> 01:56:33,040
Speaker 1: to music in the streets, and um, we will come

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Speaker 1: together and stop global warming. I see it because we

2171
01:56:37,560 --> 01:56:39,760
Speaker 1: did such a good job with COVID and it is

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01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:42,480
Speaker 1: over now, and so that is so powerful and I

2173
01:56:42,520 --> 01:56:45,000
Speaker 1: can't wait to see what we do next. We are

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Speaker 1: human and we are stronger together, Hillary, and I just

2175
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Speaker 1: want to say my prediction. Here's a very optimistic prediction

2176
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Speaker 1: that I've made every year for the past five years.

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Speaker 1: We are looking at what I call get ready, a

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01:57:01,440 --> 01:57:04,960
Speaker 1: return to substance. This year is going to be the

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Speaker 1: year we leave behind advertising language, the veneer of respectability.

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01:57:13,240 --> 01:57:19,520
Speaker 1: We leave behind uh bullshit and um fakery and finally

2181
01:57:19,600 --> 01:57:22,760
Speaker 1: have some real conversations about where we want this world

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Speaker 1: to go. And I, for one, and we're really looking

2183
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Speaker 1: forward to it. And you know what, ring the Jone

2184
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Speaker 1: Diddian alarm? Who do you whose? Glamour girls? And you

2185
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Speaker 1: know I was kidding about the Hillary thing. You guys.

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Speaker 1: I hope you picked up on that alright. I love you, guys.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye,