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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to the show. My colleagues

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Speaker 1: Matt and Noel are on adventures and will be returning soon.

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 1: super producer Paul, Mission Control decand most importantly, you are here.

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Speaker 1: And that makes this the stuff they don't want you

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Speaker 1: to know. We're exploring something that many of our fellow

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Speaker 1: conspiracy realists have contacted us about over the past two

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Speaker 1: to three weeks. Something pretty crazy, and I'm not going

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Speaker 1: into this exploration alone. I am thrilled and immensely fortunate

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Speaker 1: to be joined by my guest co host today, mister

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Speaker 1: Max Freight Train Williams. Max. Thanks for coming on the

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Speaker 1: show man.

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Speaker 2: Of course, Ben, it's great to be here. I've been

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Speaker 2: in the background before on this one, but to actually

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Speaker 2: be on a stuff that I want you to know,

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Speaker 2: I think it's the first time. Of course, we've spent

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Speaker 2: a number of hours together on ridiculous history.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Longtime listeners may recognize your dulcet tones

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Speaker 1: as those of the super producer of Ridiculous History, as

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Speaker 1: well as one of the masterminds behind the astonishing show Ephemeral. Max.

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Speaker 1: Let's pause there. Could you tell everybody in the crowd

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Speaker 1: if they have somehow not heard of this.

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Speaker 2: What ephemeral is so ephemeral is as a term, at

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Speaker 2: least it's something that's kind of fleeting, can go away.

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Speaker 2: So the show Ephemeral, what the purpose behind it was

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Speaker 2: to help preserve things that either.

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Speaker 3: Do not have enough attention given to them.

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Speaker 2: Or we're afraid that might lose that attention, but basically

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Speaker 2: kind of give it some sort of permanent state. And

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Speaker 2: this can apply to many things such as like we

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Speaker 2: had an episode about Ottoman music in New York City

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Speaker 2: in the early nineteen hundreds, which is something I never

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Speaker 2: had heard of, and there was all this very obscure,

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Speaker 2: we also, you know, one episode that I did that

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Speaker 2: history of video games, which is video games in its

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Speaker 2: early state is very ephemeral because there's just not that

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Speaker 2: many people keeping great records and history of it. I

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Speaker 2: think I sent this to you, but I went to

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Speaker 2: a pinball in the Arcade Museum and the outskirts of Portland, Oregon.

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Speaker 2: And also you know I did an episode. We all

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Speaker 3: Lots of great.

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Speaker 1: Stuff and I can't praise this show enough. It is

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Speaker 1: a fantastic listen. It's also one of my favorite things

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Speaker 1: this network has done. And as very little to do

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Speaker 1: with our conversation this evening, Max, tonight, I have asked

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Speaker 1: you here to help Paul and I explore an odd

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Speaker 1: piece of internet ephemera, something quite recent. There is a person,

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Speaker 1: so far anonymous, who recently rocked Reddit and the UFO

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Speaker 1: community overall by posting what is at the very least

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Speaker 1: an extraordinary tale. First things first, here are the facts. Max.

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Speaker 1: It occurs to me that you and I, in all

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Speaker 1: we've got some war stories. In all our time together,

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Speaker 1: we have never decidus the concept of extra terrestrials UFOs,

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Speaker 1: Right, You've nailed it, man, Because when we talk about

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Speaker 1: You know, there could be life forms with completely different

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Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. This is popularly known as

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Speaker 1: a bit of a chuckle because that is such a

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Speaker 1: rarefied world. And even this person, even this guy, we

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Speaker 1: don't know their identified gender or whatever, but even this

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Speaker 1: person has a bit of a cynical point where they say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you got a network if you want a job.

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Speaker 3: I think that's what they say, is that they're best quality.

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00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, I'm good networking, and I mean the

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00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 2: way they talk about this job from the get go,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, how much money were they offering? That's all

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Speaker 2: I was thinking, because it's like they talk about this

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Speaker 2: whole process with like such a dour like not even

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Speaker 2: before they get into the job, like the whole interview

448
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Speaker 2: process and being like this was awful. So like then

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Speaker 2: the next question I would want to ask, and how

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Speaker 2: much did they offer you? Because you kept doing this process?

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Speaker 2: Because if it was some crap number boom, not believing

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Speaker 2: it at all. This is some crap, terrible number, and

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Speaker 2: they they're talking about how bad this process was, they

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Speaker 2: wouldn't have taken this job mm hm where you sent it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And to be clear, this person, according to the story,

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Speaker 1: knows nothing about what they're getting into, and we should

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Speaker 1: we should trumpet this part loudly. The claim is that ebos,

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Speaker 1: these non human intelligent entities, are real. The government possesses

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Speaker 1: them as well as possibly technology, knows a little bit

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Speaker 1: about their culture slash religion, and this is proof or

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Speaker 1: this is at least a big fish story about it.

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Speaker 1: I love that you mentioned the hiring process. So this person,

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Speaker 1: we'll just refer to them as ebo guy for convenience.

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Speaker 1: Maybe this person says I went through three interviews. They

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Speaker 1: got increasingly suspicious, and they were each held in a

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Speaker 1: different location. And maybe in the first interview, my PhD

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Speaker 1: in molecular biology from an unidentified university. Maybe it was

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Speaker 1: important in the first interview, but in the second one

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Speaker 1: and the third one they seem to care less and less.

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Speaker 1: The first interview was with two senior scientists. The second

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Speaker 1: and third this is a quote are with quote people

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Speaker 1: I've never seen again, who are obviously not interested in science.

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Speaker 1: Sometime after the interview, I was asked to go to

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Speaker 1: a fourth location, where what seemed like a corporate lawyer

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Speaker 1: entered me with an NDA non disclosure agreement. He made

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Speaker 1: sure not only to explain every detail, but also that

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Speaker 1: I understood the consequence of not respecting it, which, to

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Speaker 1: your point, Max, sounds like a lot to go through.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I also got a new theory right here. The

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Speaker 2: second and the third person or the same person, and

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Speaker 2: they're an ebo.

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Speaker 1: Nice, nice, boom, Yeah, using their tremendously flexible genetic engineering prowess, right.

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Speaker 2: And wearing elevator shoes so they don't appear at four

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Speaker 2: at four foot nine.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, and maybe glasses fake nos? Uh So Okay, So,

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Speaker 1: according to the story, this individual whom we're calling Ebo Guy,

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Speaker 1: knowing nothing else about them, they take the job and

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Speaker 1: they spend the first several weeks doing pay work, doing

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Speaker 1: homework and review. For anybody who's ever been hired in

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Speaker 1: a corporate level job, office job, something like that, you

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Speaker 1: know that you lose at least a couple of days

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Speaker 1: just doing paperwork, filling out largely the same information through

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Speaker 1: a variety of forms. And for this person, for Ebo Guy,

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Speaker 1: they're reading no good summaries. They're reading a bunch of

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Speaker 1: memoranda and a bunch of studies and a bunch of

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Speaker 1: other white papers essentially about the nuts and bolts of

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Speaker 1: this ebo alien biology. And they don't have access to

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Speaker 1: all the documents. They're not going to learn anything about technology,

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Speaker 1: anything about how the government plans to leverage this knowledge.

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Speaker 1: But they are getting a brief cultural overview, you could say,

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Speaker 1: of the food, the nutrition that these creatures require their

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Speaker 1: concept of religion and or culture. And then there's this

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Speaker 1: description of basically a day at the office. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's not a big office. They're what twenty scientists at

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Speaker 1: the base level, and this person is clearly one of

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Speaker 1: those twenty scientists in the story, therefore senior or supervisory scientists.

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00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,959
Speaker 1: And then there's a director the scientists where this person

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Speaker 1: is at. On that level, they are entirely dedicated to

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00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: technical work, to studying aspects of this unfamiliar or troublingly

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00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: familiar genome. And then Max, there's some so wild the

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00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: guy says the location of the lab.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so this is what I thought the first time

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Speaker 2: I read it, and I still think of this very much.

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Speaker 2: That has to be read herring, or at least a

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Speaker 2: red herring. If so, let's do the hypothetical. Let's say

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Speaker 2: the story is true one which I'm not saying it's not.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, for this hypothetical right here, this is

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Speaker 2: a true story. But this person is trying to protect

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00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 2: themselves by throwing out red herrings.

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00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 3: This has to be one of the red herrings. So

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Speaker 3: looked at up Fort Dietrich.

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Speaker 2: It's a just northwest of DC, right, the town of Frederick,

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00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: not to confuse with Matthew.

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Speaker 1: Right first of his name. So, yeah, this poster says,

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Speaker 1: the lab is in a secure basement at this fort

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Speaker 1: in Maryland. And let me tell you all about the

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Speaker 1: basement lab. Let me tell you about the different levels

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Speaker 1: of the lab. Let me tell you how I was

529
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Speaker 1: surprised that there weren't higher safeguards biologically speaking, And I

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00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: know for sure that there are ebos, these non human

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Speaker 1: organisms stored in this basement. There are four in total.

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Speaker 1: They are all dead, none of their corpses are complete corpses,

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Speaker 1: and they all appear to have died violently, if I

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Speaker 1: recall correctly. The poster says, they look like they were

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Speaker 1: in a horrific motorcycle crashes or something.

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Speaker 2: Well, Ebo's they really like their motorcycles.

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Speaker 3: What's going on?

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00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's keep it so. Also, also, this poster says

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Speaker 1: there are more of these creatures or cadavers in the

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Speaker 1: possession of Uncle Sam, and they're simply hidden in other laboratories.

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Speaker 1: There's a weird, really to me, really neat part where

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Speaker 1: the poster says, well, I assume, or I think, based

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Speaker 1: on what little I've read, that there may be living

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Speaker 1: specimens that are also held somewhere. Maybe they're hostages, maybe

545
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: their allies. Maybe they're diplomats, maybe they're prisoners. And anyway,

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00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: this person cuts past that. This poster cuts past that

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00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: and dives into the meat of their ideas, which concern

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00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: biology and genetic science. Right, the We've got a quote

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00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: that's a little bit long, but I think should be

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Speaker 1: red and full and Max, I loved your voice so

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00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: much that it would mean the world if you do

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00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: us the order of of.

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00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: Assuming this character again, all right, assuming first, I'd like

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Speaker 2: to discuss their genetics. Their genetics are like ours based

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00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 2: on DNA. This fact was very puzzling for me when

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Speaker 2: I first learned about it. We imagine that beings from

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Speaker 2: an alternate biosphere would have genetics based on ampletely foreign

558
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Speaker 2: biochemical system, and surprisingly this.

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Speaker 3: Is not the case.

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00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that that part jumped out to me too.

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Speaker 2: I I, I have some opinions on that part, but

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Speaker 2: I guess I'll get through the rest of this quote first.

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Speaker 2: Several conclusions can be drawn from the surprising revelation. The

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Speaker 2: one that immediately comes to mind is that our biosphere

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Speaker 2: and there's share common ancestry They are eukaryotes, which means

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Speaker 2: their cells have nuclei containing genetic material, which suggests that

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Speaker 2: their biosphere would have been separated from ours sometime after

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Speaker 2: the appearance of this type of organism.

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Speaker 1: Let's pause there, maybe because what if those what if

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Speaker 1: that evolved independently improbable but possible, We don't know.

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Speaker 2: Right well, I mean, if you go back to the

572
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Speaker 2: infinite universe, improbable is irrelevant because there is just going

573
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Speaker 2: to be It's like, yeah, we might run this test

574
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 2: a billion times, but we're going to keep running this

575
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 2: test over and over and over and over again. So

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Speaker 2: there's actually, to quote a different sci fi show of

577
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Speaker 2: The Orville from Seth MacFarlane, which I had my you know,

578
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: I had my you know, misgivings beforehand, but it's actually

579
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: an A plus sci fi show. They have this theory

580
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: of basically like there's because of the infinite universe, the

581
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 2: same stuff repeating, So like they find a plan at

582
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Speaker 2: one point that developed almost identically to Earth. It has

583
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 2: its like small differences, but it's like it's populated by humans.

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00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: It's atmosphere and stuff like that, very similar to Earth.

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Speaker 2: Because you're talking about the infinite universe it's actually very possible.

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Speaker 2: It's actually, if you think about the universe continue, it's

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Speaker 2: not even probable, it is definite that will happen.

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00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, statistically inevitable. Right, and now we get to

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00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: something that is something that does a little bit of

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Speaker 1: world building in the story.

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Speaker 2: The term exo biospheric organism is actually a misnomer, but

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Speaker 2: as it's a historical term, it's still used. Yeah, it's like, oh,

593
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 2: come on, you guys haven't updated the term yet. But

594
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 2: someone someone still around that has a real tight attachment

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Speaker 2: to that term. I guess they haven't retired yet that

596
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 2: don't want to. They don't want to like take the

597
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: term away from Betsy until she's fully out of the picture. Right, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Their genetics are not only based on the same genetic system,

599
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Speaker 2: but they're also even compatible with our own sailuor machinery.

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Speaker 2: This means that you can take a human gene and

601
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Speaker 2: insert it into an ebo cell and that gene will

602
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: be translated into their protein. And this of course works

603
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 2: in reverse with a human gene inserted into an ebo cell.

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Speaker 3: Oh creepy, pretty pretty bold.

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00:37:58,760 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: The poster in their defense does go on to say

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Speaker 1: there are specific reasons why the vital product would not

608
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Speaker 1: be viable, but what they're what they're describing is essentially

609
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: something like a camera, you know, the idea that one

610
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: could mix and match genes or genetic information from differing

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00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: life forms. It's very bold and it has the implication

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00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: again that not only are these entities more similar to

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Speaker 1: earthlife than we might initially assume, but they're similar enough

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Speaker 1: to play mad lib genetically.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so would I mean, I guess we'll get

616
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: to do this. That they don't have reproductive parts, but

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00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 2: you could in theory create a hybrid human ebo because

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Speaker 2: they're based off the same genetic blocks. Basically, I mean,

619
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Speaker 2: it's not impossible in theory because it could be because

620
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Speaker 2: everything is probably might be evolved from the same stuff.

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Speaker 2: This is this is the one that I'm like, okay,

622
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Speaker 2: like we are we going to be working off the

623
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Speaker 2: theory that we were both evolved from the same planet or.

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Speaker 3: Something like that. This one, this is it lost me.

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00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 2: I don't know in the interview part of the story

626
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 2: where it's like, no, man, this I did not take

627
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 2: this job. This guy interview was too creepy, this guy.

628
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 2: But this part too.

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Speaker 3: I'm like sitting around like, Okay, it's a lot. It

630
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Speaker 3: is a lot.

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Speaker 1: According to this According to this description, the full genome

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Speaker 1: of these ebo or what what we could refer to

633
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Speaker 1: as let's just say aliens just for funzies, Apparently their

634
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Speaker 1: genome has been roughly mapped and consists of quote sixteen

635
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: circular chromosomes, and their genome is not only smaller than

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Speaker 1: that of humans, but composed in such a way that

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00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: the poster believe purposeful genetic engineering is the only way

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00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: this could have occurred. They're looking at this and they're saying,

639
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Speaker 1: all right, I know about humans. I know so much

640
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: of human DNA is junk DNA. It's just there. It

641
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: doesn't really do anything without name checking Graham Hancock, we

642
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: just accept that as a given. How is this DNA?

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Speaker 1: How is it built so much better, so much more efficiently?

644
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Speaker 1: And this leads the author to speculate that the ebo geneticist,

645
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Speaker 1: because remember their intelligent life forms as well in the story,

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Speaker 1: that they can insert or remove genes at will in

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Speaker 1: a way that is more targeted and more efficient that

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Speaker 1: human technology allows, which means they can custom build individual

649
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: entities for specialization in a given role. Or task, and

650
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: they flirt a bit with what would be inappropriate analogy

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Speaker 1: in this In this conversation, they've flirt a bit with

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Speaker 1: the idea of insect hierarchies, right like, you know you

653
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Speaker 1: got the worker inch, you got the b you got

654
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Speaker 1: the you know, you got the drones, you got the

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Speaker 1: insects are very good at that. They're one of the

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Speaker 1: best examples.

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Speaker 2: I will say, this is the point that the poster

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Speaker 2: goes on about that. I'm like, I can actually this

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Speaker 2: makes sense genetic manipulation. I think this would actually there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of people who would never come out and

661
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Speaker 2: say this, but you know they would absolutely love if

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Speaker 2: you can manipulate people to you know, be able to

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Speaker 2: be on their feet for twelve hours without having to

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Speaker 2: use a bathroom breaker, you know, complainer talk about unionizing

665
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Speaker 2: something like that. Like, you know, they would love when

666
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 2: we're all on Mars. Okay, now I'm getting in my

667
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: own conspiracy theory billionaires want to go to Mars. But

668
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Speaker 2: you know, it's very much this I can see genetic manipulation.

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Speaker 2: This is maybe a chapter in human evolution that's coming

670
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Speaker 2: up a lot closer to than we think it is.

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Speaker 3: Because I think this is also going to be a

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Speaker 3: big thing.

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Speaker 2: And you know, we have a series on Ridiculous History

674
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Speaker 2: about ridiculous ways royals have died, and in our first

675
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Speaker 2: episode we talked about the guy who drank mercury because

676
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Speaker 2: he thought I would.

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Speaker 3: Live forever because of it. It's like he did that, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he died very quickly after it because it's mercury.

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Speaker 2: And uh, A big part of extending lives, people think

680
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Speaker 2: might be genetic manipulation. So this is something that people

681
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Speaker 2: are interested in. And it's like, you know, I don't

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Speaker 2: know if it can make us, I know better talking

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Speaker 2: on a mic or.

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Speaker 3: Editing audio, like, I don't know. Im I'd have my

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Speaker 3: genes added a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Hmm, smarter, faster, stronger, why not? The problem is that

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Speaker 1: it in human experience. This is directly related to the

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Speaker 1: concept of eugenics, which is h which is tremendously dangerous

689
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Speaker 1: because it was implemented originally with incredible racist ideation, incredibly

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Speaker 1: classist ideation, and it doesn't look It doesn't matter what

691
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: political party you ascribed to or whatever your ideology is,

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Speaker 1: it really doesn't matter. Humans are lucky that the concept

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Speaker 1: of eugenics happened before the current era of genetic research,

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Speaker 1: because what they were arguing came from an objectively stupid

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Speaker 1: place and what they were attempting to do therefore had

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Speaker 1: objectively stupid and horrifying results.

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Speaker 2: Right, This was a very the theory predated the actual

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Speaker 2: application by a very very you know, like what eighty

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Speaker 2: years probably at minimum.

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Speaker 3: And that's a very good thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because the way it was practiced it led to

702
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Speaker 1: mass sterilization, It led to and attempts at genocide. It

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Speaker 1: was a rationalization for bad and largely stupid people to

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Speaker 1: do bad and stupid things. And I don't use the

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Speaker 1: word stupid lightly here. So for all of our more

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Speaker 1: skeptical conspiracy realist, sit tight, we got your back. We're

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Speaker 1: going to get to some more of those issues in

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Speaker 1: a moment. What you need to know for now is

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Speaker 1: simply this. The post was deleted, but you cannot stop

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Speaker 1: the signal to quote serenity. So there are multiple copies

711
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: of this post. They're verbatim, they're the same thing, and

712
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 1: people keep putting it up while it is being taken down,

713
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: and you can read it now. When you read it,

714
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Speaker 1: the author is diving into genetic nuts and bolts, talking

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Speaker 1: about the signs of transference, talking about proteins, talking about

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Speaker 1: how these translate, and they point out perceed irregularities or differences,

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Speaker 1: and at the same time, pretty often actually in their

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Speaker 1: in their story or in their tail, they pose questions

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Speaker 1: that they themselves consider unanswered. They also dive into the

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Speaker 1: anatomy or the biological system of these things. These aliens

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Speaker 1: they describe as ebos And you know, spoiler, I mean, Max,

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Speaker 1: it's not a spoiler for you. They're basically describing the

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Speaker 1: pop culture gray aliens, right.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh, that's one hundred percent what they went And

725
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Speaker 2: when I was reading that, so I like, you know,

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Speaker 2: I put in my headphones, I had my phone, I

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Speaker 2: went on a walk and read this whole thing, and

728
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Speaker 2: I got to that section, I went, oh, seriously, okay,

729
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Speaker 2: whatever itause, it just got more boring to me because

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Speaker 2: it's like, we're going gray aliens here.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's in.

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Speaker 1: Depth description of it. Though.

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Speaker 3: Creatures their eyes and then cook through their skin.

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Speaker 1: Yes, they poop through their skin.

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Speaker 3: That's the probably got my most interest to me because

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Speaker 3: I'm a six year.

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Speaker 1: Old, Right, they excrete waste through their skin, if we

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Speaker 1: want to put a tie on it. But yeah, they

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Speaker 1: poop through the skin and piss through their skin. Their

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Speaker 1: eyes are about three times the size of the average

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Speaker 1: cubanie vestigial nose, with no protuberance, no body hair. There's

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Speaker 1: a great deal of time spent on talking about how

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Speaker 1: they look gray because they have a biofilm to protect

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Speaker 1: them from various liquids. They also based on based on

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Speaker 1: essentially alien autopsy information, we would be led to believe

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Speaker 1: these creatures also can only ingest liquid of some sort, right,

747
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: like very nutrient rich liquid, sugary broth, and look. In general,

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Speaker 1: what we're saying is if you find the ideas of

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Speaker 1: gray interesting, you will dig this stuff. These descriptions are fascinating,

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Speaker 1: going into like lung capacity, digestive system, all the hits,

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Speaker 1: all the good stuff. Just think of it as a

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00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: thought experiment if you consider yourself skeptical. But here's the thing,

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00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: you might find yourself like our pal Max as you're

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00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: reading through this, because the description goes on and on

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Speaker 1: and on. Hope, time for an app break. We'll be

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Speaker 1: right back. Okay, all right, all things being equal, for

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00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: anyone who's had a chance to read this post, and

758
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 1: for anyone who's read all the hubbub about it, both

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00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: people who think it's a hoax and people who think

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Speaker 1: it's true. One thing is for certain, it's a hell

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Speaker 1: of a story. I enjoyed reading it.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's I mean, it's not really my cup

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Speaker 2: of tea. And me being the snowty writer that I

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Speaker 2: can be, I was also proofreading some of it because

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Speaker 2: there are some typos in it. In some parts they

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Speaker 2: left commas out and stuff like that. Very it was actually,

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Speaker 2: I think pretty well written, so I mean, I gotta

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Speaker 2: say it was entertaining, it was fun. Yeah, Okay, that's

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Speaker 2: all I got it. I mean, I wouldn't really say

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Speaker 2: this changed my opinion on anything, right.

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Speaker 1: Well. Also, yeah, I want to thank you again for

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Speaker 1: taking the time to read the whole thing, and let's

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Speaker 1: reiterate before we continue. Your personal take on the concept

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Speaker 1: of extraterrestrials in general. So from what we've discussed, what

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00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: I understand is this. You agree it is statistically inevitable

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Speaker 1: for some sort of non human life to have existed,

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Speaker 1: to currently exist, or to exist in the future, but

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Speaker 1: the odds of of those creatures interacting with humans are

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Speaker 1: very very low, to say the least. Is that correct?

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Speaker 3: That's correct.

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Speaker 2: And also it is just as likely, if not more

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Speaker 2: luck likely, that it would be like a sentient sponge

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Speaker 2: than a sentient like humanoid.

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Speaker 1: Yeah humanoid. That's a little anthrocentric. Yeah, my my going

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Speaker 1: my draft picks. My two favorites on that list are

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Speaker 1: if it's organic, some sort of fungal entity. Yeah, just

787
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: has the best I think just we sound like sports

788
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: Center here, but just has the best stats for surviving

789
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Speaker 1: outer space. And then the next pick would be some

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Speaker 1: something that we would consider ai right, or non organic

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Speaker 1: manufactured by another species bound to a planet or a

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Speaker 1: moon and such, and it was purposely built such that

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Speaker 1: would stand the riggers of outer space.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: So I was actually listening to a it was a

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Speaker 2: Radio lab Rewind episode this past weekend, So I don't

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Speaker 2: remember when the original came out, but it just came

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Speaker 2: out recently. But I was talking about sending people with

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Speaker 2: disabilities into space. And the woman who's is this whole

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Speaker 2: endeavor just listening episode Togo there, but the woman who's

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Speaker 2: kind of one of the head people in charge of

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Speaker 2: she's blind. She talks about how people with disabilities on

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Speaker 2: Earth have to adapt all the time to things and

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Speaker 2: living humans are not designed to go into space. Space

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Speaker 2: is just constantly trying to kill us. That's kind of

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Speaker 2: what space's purpose is, which I think Rick Sanchez also

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Speaker 2: says that in Rick and Morty, So I very much

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Speaker 2: believe that statement. But so if you have been dealing

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Speaker 2: with all this stuff all the time, you're probably more

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Speaker 2: adapted to dealing with space than if you haven't, such

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Speaker 2: as like you know, the amount of time people on

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Speaker 2: the Space station have to ride a sited bike every day.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to do that if you are disabled

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Speaker 2: and don't use your legs. So yeah, I mean the

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Speaker 2: whole thought of maybe you created something to go into

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Speaker 2: space for you, I mean I want to go a

817
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 2: little darker and think, like, you know, you created these

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Speaker 2: robots to be your servants, and they overthrew you and

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Speaker 2: killed off your entire race, which that also is in

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Speaker 2: the orfil By the way, great sci fi show, The

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Speaker 2: or Phil Please watch them. I'm really hoping for a

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00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 2: season four of that show, by the way, So that's

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Speaker 2: why I'm really trying to promote it a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was impressed as well. But you know,

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00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: I love science fiction because not to sound like a

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Speaker 1: broken record when science fiction is functioning at its best.

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Speaker 1: It's only going to be fiction for a limited amount

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Speaker 1: of time. The good stuff has a shelf life before

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Speaker 1: it becomes science fact. So okay, given all this, Max,

830
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: you're reading this and you're a brilliant dude, and you're

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Speaker 1: thinking through it was your initial reaction, this is a hoax.

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Speaker 1: I know. I don't want to put you on the

833
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: spot too much, but it's necessarily.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's a hoax. I think I've ran off.

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Speaker 2: I know you have a couple of ideas what it

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00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 2: might be. The theory that I'm going with is this

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00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 2: is a work of creative writing because it's somebody who

838
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: knows a lot about this kind of stuff, Like I

839
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 2: couldn't write this stuff because I don't know stuff about genealogy.

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00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 2: That does not mean you have to have a PhD

841
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: to write that. I think that's something because the thing

842
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 2: is very easy to get into this rationalization saying well,

843
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 2: they have to be an expert of this stuff to

844
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 2: write this about, like you know, like you know, chromosomes

845
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Speaker 2: and all this crazy stuff that when I was reading it,

846
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, what, Okay, this is just so complicated and

847
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: this is really going over my head.

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Speaker 3: But I mean the same way.

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Speaker 2: It's just like I'm a I don't know, I make podcasts,

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Speaker 2: I talk on podcasts, but I can talk your ear

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00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 2: off for two hours about baseball because that's my hobby.

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Speaker 1: I like, you've done it.

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Speaker 3: I have done it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I could do it right now. I actually have

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Speaker 2: a little bit prepared, but I'm not going to do

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00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 2: it for the sake of time. Okay, So I don't

857
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 2: think it's really I mean, maybe they're trying to see

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00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 2: some people for fun. But I mean people write stuff

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00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 2: and you might be like, oh, well, they're not making

860
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 2: any money off this, So like maybe they're just this

861
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 2: is just what they wanted to do for fun.

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Speaker 1: That right, or that the act? Yeah, the active creation

863
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: is itself the goal of creation, right right. If it

864
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Speaker 1: is a hoax, then we do have questions. We have

865
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Speaker 1: to answer why bother in the first place. You make

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00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 1: an excellent point there, man, because it cannot be Internet clout.

867
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: The idea of making money off of it seems laughable.

868
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: The person in question again banned blocked from Reddit. It's Reddit,

869
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: so I'm sure it's very easy to just create a

870
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: new handle, but it seems like they are not planning

871
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 1: to write a book, nor does it seem they're planning

872
00:53:54,800 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: to get on the lucrative, somewhat cynically monetized UFOs speaking circuit.

873
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: And with that being said, there are some serious issues,

874
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: and they are very real life issues. We see this

875
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: again and again in the story is proven whistleblowers while

876
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: being both diplomatic and sincere. As Max said, folks, we

877
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: are not calling this personal liar. We've had no interaction

878
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: with them other than reading their one post, but we

879
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 1: can say there are serious issues with both the way

880
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: this whale tail has been spread as well as with

881
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: the information this person chose to disclose. Max, We know

882
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: it as a fact. Anyone who has worked in sensitive

883
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: government research, you know, pardon my French, forget aliens, think

884
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: about nuclear weapons, bio research, you know, industrial espionage, all

885
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: that jazz. Every single person working in those fields knows

886
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: that true anonymity is impossible, right.

887
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 2: I mean, we work in podcasts, and I think true

888
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 2: anonymity for us is impossible, let alone government secrets and

889
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff.

890
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 3: No, like this isn't gonna happen.

891
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 2: You're not gonna be able to you know, get on

892
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 2: your own computer in like a public area and post

893
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 2: this thing, you'd be oh fine. It's like if this

894
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 2: position actually existed, Ben, how many people do you think

895
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 2: in the world would know about EBOS.

896
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: Ooh, conservatively, Like if there are multiple labs and there

897
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: are twenty five people.

898
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 3: Per lab, right, it's twenty five, yes, twenty five.

899
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, then we're looking we're still looking at less than

900
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: ten thousand people.

901
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 3: Right exactly.

902
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 2: And so that you can start, you know, eliminating down

903
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: and whittling it down. And you've got to assume that

904
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 2: this person's not working there anymore. They left this place

905
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 2: and they but they also when they got hired at

906
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 2: granting you to red herrings and stuff.

907
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 3: But I mean, how could are these red herrings actually

908
00:55:59,360 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 3: gonna be.

909
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 2: Plus you know, I mean they probably have security monitoring

910
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:04,720
Speaker 2: all these people.

911
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: Oh there are you kidding?

912
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 3: So and this one, I don't think this would exist

913
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 3: if it was actually true, right.

914
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. You can use a VPN all you want, You

915
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: can take a burner computer, you can post like you said,

916
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: via public Wi Fi and a crowded place like a

917
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 1: bus station, airport, et cetera. But you simply cannot eliminate

918
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the bread crumbs. You will give

919
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: yourself away in small things you might not expect, like

920
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: your writing style right, your communication style, which is the

921
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: equivalent of body language, to be quite honest, and the

922
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: time at which you post correlated to the time of

923
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: your activity, et cetera, et cetera. The vast majority of

924
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,399
Speaker 1: people living in the United States at least are under

925
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: way way more surveillance than you might imagine. Keep you

926
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: up at night, read our book if you're having too

927
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: much good sleep, and I'll.

928
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 2: Read my book Maxwell James Williams's Guide to Read the

929
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 2: Stuff they Don't want you to know.

930
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 3: Book great.

931
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: I love it.

932
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 3: Well, we'll be out at some point.

933
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: It will be out at some point. I've seen some

934
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: of the proofs. I don't agree with everything, but I

935
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: respect it. So the you know, people who are working

936
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: in sensitive areas of research are under far more scrutiny.

937
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: And that doesn't just mean government employees. That also means

938
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: people in the world academia who just happen to be

939
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: world class experts in very dangerous things, even if they

940
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: even if they have no intention of weaponizing that of

941
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: like using that for some real world villainy. The powers

942
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: that be do keep an eye on those folks. They

943
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: keep a very close eye on them. So if any

944
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: of this story is true, then it is virtually certain

945
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: this individual has already been identified. The sample size of

946
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: people with access to that info is just, to your point,

947
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: too small. It's too easy to find them. There's not

948
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: a haystack for the needle.

949
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 3: Exactly.

950
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 2: It's it's like, you know, I mean, not to get

951
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 2: a little dark here, but it's just like, this is

952
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 2: that type of person who had this information. If they

953
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 2: were afraid We're gonna leak it, they would just be eliminated,

954
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 2: wouldn't they.

955
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 3: I mean, I know, we don't want to.

956
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 2: Believe that we have our own KGB like element and

957
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 2: somebody would fall from a high place type of thing.

958
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 2: But if this was as secretive as possible, either the

959
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 2: government is horribly incompetent, which totally totally possible.

960
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: Or.

961
00:58:55,680 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, the more and more, I guess We've talked aboutility

962
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 2: a lot here, and I'm trying to take a very

963
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 2: heability based approach to it, and it's just like, maybe

964
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 2: there's like a one or two percent chance this thing

965
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 2: is real, and that's how I'm trying to look at it.

966
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 2: But each of these things make it less and less

967
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 2: and less like this makes any sort of sense.

968
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, the part about assassinations or targeted

969
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: killings is unfortunately true. We have a multi part series

970
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: on assassinations and the reason they still exist all the

971
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: world around is because it's a very effective strategy when

972
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 1: executed poor choice words directly. With this in mind, we

973
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: also have to note that for positions of this sort

974
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: of sensitivity, real life versions of this do exist outside

975
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: of the realm of aliens. For positions with this sensitivity,

976
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: psychological assessments are a huge part of it, and those

977
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: psychological assessments are at this point capable of prediction, meaning

978
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: that if they want to spend the time and money,

979
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: it is possible to identify the person most likely to

980
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: squeak a bit about something. So there's where again, we're

981
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: arriving as a society in a world toward a We're

982
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: arriving at a world wherein it is possible to know

983
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: what someone is going to do before they themselves are

984
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: going to do it, or to at least have a

985
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: really creepy ballpark estimate of their likelihood.

986
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 3: We got some pre cog stuff going on.

987
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: Now, Yes, Minority report kind of prognostication, but also that

988
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: could be corrupted inevitably. Look, it could be possible that

989
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: there are red herrings thrown around here in this story

990
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: to put people off the scent. And sorry, Bud, if

991
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: the story is true, good hustle, it's not going to work.

992
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: They are just not enough people in this industry described

993
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: in this.

994
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 3: Narrative right exactly.

995
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 2: And I mean I kind of want to circle back

996
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 2: because remember I mentioned at the beginning, I asked my

997
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 2: buddy Shoal to read this as well, who is much

998
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 2: more a believer than I am, And this is what

999
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 2: he said. I think it's a good point out, Like

1000
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 2: he said a couple things to me about it, But

1001
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 2: it's kind of like this. I mean, no telling if

1002
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 2: this guy is fullish or not, but a lot of

1003
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 2: stuff he's saying lines up with the other stuff that's

1004
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 2: already out there. That's another thing I kind of with

1005
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 2: me and I brought this up with the gray aliens

1006
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, just kind of feels like.

1007
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 3: What has this.

1008
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 2: Brought to the They talked about the very beginning, this

1009
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 2: eroding of this belief, But I feel like I've heard

1010
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 2: all this before, Like nothing in this is shifting me

1011
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 2: at all.

1012
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: You didn't have an aha moment.

1013
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 2: No, I didn't even have a huh moment. It's just okay,

1014
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 2: this is all just.

1015
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1016
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 2: I feel like I can watch nineteen fifties movie and

1017
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 2: get this not a good one either.

1018
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and for all the reasons that we're describing here,

1019
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: these very real world concerns about safety, this shows us

1020
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: why genuine proven whistleblowers have done one of two things. Historically.

1021
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: They either put their name and their identity out there

1022
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: for verification. Learn more about me right, check my bona

1023
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 1: fides and indeed you will see that I am from

1024
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: the place I'm talking about. Or they have contacted a

1025
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: member of independent press with adequate OPSEC experience operational security experience.

1026
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: Another problem? Why the intense specificity about some things, the

1027
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: intense opacity about other aspects of the story. That's I'm

1028
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: sure that could also fall under red Harriet explanation. But finally,

1029
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: what about this people exercising sincere attempts at disclosure of

1030
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: any secret project. They will overwhelmingly attempt to provide corroboration

1031
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: in some form. They look for someone to second them,

1032
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: They look for someone to vouch for them right. I'm

1033
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 1: Max Williams. I produce ridiculous history and to prove it,

1034
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: here's my pal ben So like I worked here with

1035
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 1: insert person here who can confirm part of info here,

1036
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: et cetera. Or here is an example of the documentation

1037
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:45,919
Speaker 1: I encountered. Here is a real world, acknowledged event that

1038
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: supports my claims. Our mystery molecular biologist at this point

1039
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: does not do any of that. They got asked. They

1040
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: got asked the following question, have you shared this with

1041
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: the Select Commission or Intelligence all with aar oh, and

1042
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: do you have evidence to back this up? No?

1043
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 2: Thank you, No I haven't, and no I won't. It

1044
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 2: sounds like a honey trap to me. I will not

1045
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 2: place my life in the hands of politicians. I have

1046
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 2: no approve other than this message. I know it's not much,

1047
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 2: but it's what I'm prepared to offer.

1048
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 3: Sick.

1049
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, fair, fair point. I mean there's a dilemma

1050
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: here because if true, that's an understandable concern. But also

1051
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: if this is so important that you would put your

1052
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: life on the line here and you would be aware

1053
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 1: of the risk involved, why read it?

1054
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's Reddit and you can post whatever you

1055
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 2: want to read it most of the time, and you'll

1056
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 2: get delete your w wistm's worst will just delete you.

1057
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 2: I mean, there's nothing in here that completely disproves this,

1058
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 2: But I started and I left, from when I read

1059
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 2: this in the morning to now when we're recording this episode,

1060
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 2: I still have the exact same level of apathy and

1061
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 2: I don't know, genuine like belief that this is real,

1062
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 2: which is basically zero. And it's just because every single

1063
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 2: chance this person has to kind of be like, see,

1064
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 2: this is it, this is real, they have kind of

1065
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 2: taken the other direction, which I get it.

1066
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 3: I get it.

1067
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 2: It's security and it's safety and maybe, but it's just

1068
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 2: every single chance they have they're choosing oh no, I

1069
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 2: can't because of this, And as you've already pointed out,

1070
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 2: it's not like them taking these safety precautions would actually

1071
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 2: protect them at all.

1072
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's part of the problem, you know. Like,

1073
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 1: and again, this is not us disparaging the person. It's

1074
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: just a person we have not spoken to, and we're

1075
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 1: thinking through we're thinking through the possibilities. Again, at no

1076
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: point in this are we saying the poster is consciously lying.

1077
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: We can point out, however, that doing even one of

1078
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 1: the things we described would go so far toward accruing

1079
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 1: some sort of credibility, and without those things. In the

1080
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: absence of this, we have to logically imagine some additional possibilities. Max,

1081
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: you brought it up first. What if there's someone out

1082
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 1: there who does have a real PhD or some post

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Speaker 1: doc experience in molecular biology and they just like creative writing.

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Speaker 1: What if it's just an art project.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I think that makes the most

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Speaker 2: sense to me, because it doesn't feel like this person's

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Speaker 2: trying to cause malice. If they were, maybe they should

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Speaker 2: try it a better way.

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Speaker 1: They weren't saying. They weren't saying, you know, add on

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Speaker 1: August first, gather it in front of your local capital

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Speaker 1: or something like that.

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Speaker 2: What was the religion that we researched on dglo's history

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Speaker 2: where they are where they all sold off all their

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Speaker 2: stuff in the eighteen hundreds, and that Millerism Millism?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, it's not Millerism. They're not telling people to you know,

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Speaker 2: sell off all their possessions because they're about to be

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Speaker 2: you know, taking up to heaven or the ebos are

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Speaker 2: going to start procreating with them, which question, at any

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Speaker 2: point do they talk about how these things procreate?

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Speaker 3: Uh, they don't have genitals, they point.

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Speaker 1: That out right. The idea is that they don't. The

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Speaker 1: ebos in question believe in a higher power or a

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Speaker 1: meta level of oneness so much that they don't care

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Speaker 1: about the individual level, so such that you know, family

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Speaker 1: structure as humans understand it doesn't exist. Creatures are instead manufactured.

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Speaker 2: They're clones. They're just they're squeeze ooze in the thing

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Speaker 2: and produce out an ebo type thing. I also do

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Speaker 2: love the religion part because I feel like the poster

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Speaker 2: don't talk about the religion part. They mentioned the religion

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Speaker 2: part and then someone asked them question to go more

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Speaker 2: in detail about it, because it reminds me of the

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Speaker 2: absolutely tremendous film that I know you've seen and I

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Speaker 2: know you've seen multiple times, which is Planning On from

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Speaker 2: out of Space, which is at the very end they're

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Speaker 2: arguing it's like the main character, dude who cares what

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Speaker 2: his name is, versus the alien who's not an alien

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Speaker 2: at all, and they're alien. He says like, thank God

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Speaker 2: for something, and they starts going on this rant about

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Speaker 2: how aliens believe in God. Then he just has the

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Speaker 2: most amazing dialogue, which is you stupid, stupid man, And

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Speaker 2: then they get I was at the point of side.

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Speaker 2: They get into a fistfight, which causes the UFO to

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Speaker 2: catch on fire and explode.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you get in a situation like a fistfight.

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Speaker 2: And I was just thinking about that because it's like

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Speaker 2: the only other time I've heard like people go into

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Speaker 2: religion with a we're talking about aliens or whatever terminology

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Speaker 2: where nomenclature we're using right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm glad you brought that up. There's one last,

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Speaker 1: perhaps most dangerous piece of the puzzle that even even

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Speaker 1: the more like aliens skeptical of us may enjoy, just

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Speaker 1: something to think about. No proof following on the conversation

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Speaker 1: from this poster. What if this post, while largely fictitious,

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Speaker 1: is meant as a trap, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: What if there is some truth to the story, and

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Speaker 1: this post includes just enough of that truth to nudge

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Speaker 1: someone in from the cold such that they could be identified, addressed,

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Speaker 1: and contained. This this does happen, by the way, you know,

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Speaker 1: Like the one of the first rules of the Internet

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Speaker 1: is that if you want a correct answer to something,

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Speaker 1: don't ask the question. Just make a declarative statement that's

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01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 1: slightly wrong, and then people will and then people will

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01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 1: come out of the woodwork or perhaps in this case

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Speaker 1: the spacecraft. Okay, hold the phone. We are recording in

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Speaker 1: a different location, on a different day, on a different day,

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Speaker 1: through the Magic podcast editing. Max, thank you for that, Paul,

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Speaker 1: Thank you future Paul had We had a conversation that

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Speaker 1: continued after we were done recording, and we both hit

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Speaker 1: on something, a possibility that neither of us mentioned on air,

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01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 1: so we wanted to correct it. Max, the honor goes

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So remember I mentioned I send this to my buddy

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Speaker 2: Shoul because he's much more of an older and much

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Speaker 2: more of a skully with the extremity said to our

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Speaker 2: mutual friend Jonah.

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Speaker 3: And Jonah looked at it and goes, dude, this is.

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Speaker 2: Written by chat GPT, And I was like, oh, crap,

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Speaker 2: that seems that makes a lot of sense, Like this

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Speaker 2: is totally somebody puts this in chat GPT and they

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Speaker 2: wrote it.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking something similar. Yeah, when we were talking

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Speaker 1: off air, I thought this whole thing could have been

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Speaker 1: written by chat GPT. So we would love it if

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Speaker 1: you are fellow a conspiracy realist can read into it

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01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 1: and let Max and Matt and Noel and Paul and

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Speaker 1: Doc Holliday and I let us know what you think

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Speaker 1: is this chat GPT and Max? Are you saying yes,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it is?

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Speaker 2: But that would track, especially considering the fact that it's

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01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 2: like we had that whole debate about like why would

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Speaker 2: someone do this?

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Speaker 3: It's like, well, it's a lot of either you.

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Speaker 2: Say chat GBT write a story about aliens that seems believable.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, whether this is nothing more than a

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Speaker 1: neat work of sci fi, something closer to a honey trap.

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Speaker 1: One thing is for sure, someone in the commons, whether

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01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 1: it's Uncle Sam, whether it's this anonymous poster, they have

1180
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's where we have to leave it. Max Free Trained Williams,

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you again for coming on. You're

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01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: you're a super busy guy and you made time for

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Speaker 1: us this evening. I want to also thank everyone who

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01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 1: wrote in about this. All our fellow conspiracy realists want

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01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts. But first, before you get to

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Speaker 1: that part, Max, where can people find you, where can

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Speaker 1: they learn more about your work?

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Speaker 2: So you can learn more about our working stuff. You

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01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:36,759
Speaker 2: can listen to ephemeral We have many great episodes. The

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01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 2: whole the whole show is up and you can just

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Speaker 2: listen to there's a lot of great stuff. And you know,

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01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 2: look around because maybe some of it isn't up, isn't

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01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 2: up your alley, Like you know, maybe you're not into films,

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Speaker 2: would you like music? We might have slictions that I

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Speaker 2: would suggest eventually listening through all of it because it's

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Speaker 2: more of the study and the beauty of appreciating these

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Speaker 2: these important things, these people of art that if we

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Speaker 2: don't work conscientiously to preserve this stuff is just going

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Speaker 2: to not exist any longer. And you know, in being

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Speaker 2: a student of history, art and progression of the human

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01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 2: species go hand in hand. When art is taken as

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Speaker 2: a priority, we seem to do a lot better, and

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Speaker 2: when art is not taken the priority, we seem to do.

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Speaker 3: A lot worse.

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Speaker 2: So if we want to get out into the solar

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Speaker 2: system and make friends with sentient sponges and stuff, I

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Speaker 2: think we need to appreciate the art so as gets

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Speaker 2: a good way to follow It also you can always

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Speaker 2: listen to Ridiculous History, which features me, this guy, and

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Speaker 2: one of the other guys on this show, along with

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Speaker 2: the other guy who sometimes sings on the show.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, there's the names.

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Speaker 2: Also, you can find me on the product formerly known

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Speaker 2: Max Williams if it looks like a very dormant no

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Speaker 2: longer working Twitter handle as because that's about correct.

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Speaker 3: But you can find me there.

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Speaker 1: He is there, folks, I have reached out in the dark,

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